SUBJECT: THE ISSUES FORUM 06/28/92 FILE: UFO3008 *********** The Issues Forum 06/28/92 20:07:29 Terry | Don... | Has L.A. stopped shaking? ga DON M | wrong DON GA Terry | OH, sorry! Ted M. | DON what are your interest? ga DON M | ok... | I'm about to go to England and am; interested in the circles... | I'm wondering if any have been spotted this year. ga] Ted M. | Ok... | I am not the expert on British crop circle but I do know that | they have ... | had many. However, they occur during [or near] harvest time. | When... | are you going to be there. I will be in Tetbury near the end | of July. ga DON M | ok | I'm going the 18th of July and I know that last year there were | many at that time. ga Ted M. | That is really interesting leave for the UK on the 18th also! DON M | Business or vacation or what? ga Ted M. | Business, I'll be there about a week. Where are you leaving | from? ga DON M | Boston... | I'm only going for ten days and I will be hunting for circles... | and any related phenomenon | Linda m. Howe is also going. ga Ted M. | Do you have a planned agenda? Where will you look first? ga DON M | Salisbury area is the best bet. I may rent a plane and search | as I'm a pilot and it would provide the best pictures... | I will also try and contact the crop watchers there. ga Ted | DON, will you be at the MUFON meeting next month? ga DON M | I wish I could. What is the date and do you have to ... | be a member to attend? ga Ted M. | Terry, do you want to answer that one? ga Terry | No, you don't have to be a member. ga DON M | Date? Ted M. | And the date is July 10th. Linda Howe will be there. ga Terry | July 10-12. DON M | She told me that she was speaking at the conference... Ted M. | If you can make it a bunch of us from this Forum will.. | be meeting in the lounge of the Doubletree hotel Friday. ga Terry | ? Ted M. | GA Terry Terry | Don. Are you associated with Linda Howe? ga] DON M | no. Ted M. | Do you speak with her often? ga DON M | ok Bert | Hi. DON M | I called her about the tape she was distributing and she talked. Ted M. | Will you be joining her in the UK? ga DON M | I'd like that but I will have to call her again... | I only met her once at last years Omega Co. ga Ted M. | Well, maybe you can arrange to bump into her. Bet she could... | use the services of a good pilot. ga DON M | I'm not THAT good of a pilot but I can land and takeoff! ga Ted M. | Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing. ga DON M | You are correct. I would like to say that many local... | pilots have seen UFO's and even figured speeds. ga Ted M. | Tell us more. ga DON M | I'm slow at typing and its hard to tell a complete ... | story but I could E mail it sometime if you wish. ga Ted M. | Sure, that would be interesting. GA Joe Balsamo: Hi, sorry I'm late...what's happening tonight? ga Terry | Hi, Joe. DON M | I'll do it then, check your mail, g Terry | Don Ecker is here, too. ga Ted M. | Say DON, [the other DON] any follow-up after the Larry King | show? ga DON | Say again Ted? Ted M. | Sorry, anything happen as a result of the Larry King show? ga DON | Well, they showed the same segment of tape that NBC ran on HC. | I sent the tape to the exec. producer and that is the piece | they decided to run. I had no control over it. | Now, as an aside, I thought for a while they were doing an ambush | with Oberg and the two callers including DiPietro. | The enhanced segment showing the dome and disk was NOT shown. | I am bringing it to MUFON, and if I can find a place to run it I will. GA Bert | ? DON | I was not invited to speak so I do not have access to equipment | or rooms. Did you catch that Joe? No evasivness, I just flat don't have | the equipment. Ted M. | If you can bring it on 8mm video I can play it there. GA Bert DON | However, Oberg was trying | to escape a question I had, I wanted to have him admit the same | thing he told me on the phone after the Hard Copy thing ran, HE IS | UNDER SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn was trying to point out | some info I found out about a NASA and CIA | project that ran on UFOs in the 70s, when I was cut off. ga | that was UFOs are considered National Security items. Ted M. | DON part of that last message was garbled. I got "HE IS UNDER | SECRTY ETRITONS UFO ROSDRDTOA EUIYn.." ga DON | He signed and has a security access Top Secret | He was just trying to make everyone believe he is just a "Space | Nut" as some kind of interested observer. Bull Shit. Joe | ! Bert | Don, I thought you did a good job of drilling Oberg. It was.. | pretty obvious he was trying to dodge your Q's.... | this guy seems to be the new Kl ass. A couple weeks ago he was | on a talk show with Hopkins, Jacobs, and Mack as well as some | abductees he was really obnoxious trying to put down these guys. g DON | Yeh, well I got him on that. Joe | Don, PLEASE bring the tape...I will bring a VCR, I just want to | see that digitally enhanced tape... | also, I have spoken to Eric Herr and Mel Podel here in San | Diego and they refer to Mr. Oberg as 'an insufferable twit'...also... DON | Joe, I am going to bring it. Joe | that LKL show was WAY to short for Don to present his case. You | did a good job considering that what you were up against, I | certainly did NOT mean to imply that you were being evasive... | you read my messages out of context and got that impression, I | apologize, as I said, I'm on your side! ga DON | Ok, I am gonna say it here just this once... | I mentioned it twice on King on Friday | Debris and ice TUMBLE boys and girls, esp. if it is in | orbit the camera was BOLTED TO THE SHUTTLE..... | the picture DID NOT MOVE WHEN THAT THING TOOK OFF AT A 140 DEGREE ... | ANGLE THEREFORE THE SHUTTLE DID NOT FIRE ANY THRUSTERS...... | are we with me so far? To continue | The object was NOT TUMBLING, DID NOT REFLECT SUNLIGHT AND | "SPARKLE" LIKE ICE WOULD IF THAT IS WHAT IT IS....... | ergo, when it took off, it kept accelerating into space. If it | were just pushed, then it would have tumbled maybe into a different orbit. | In my copy, it keeps going right off the screen into deep space. | the photo did not move, just the objects. | Later on, after event 2, the shuttle does fire thrusters, it | does move the camera moves, EVERYTHING MOVES. | That was the PISS IN SPACE DUMP. NOT BEFORE. | Then there is the STREAK. That is not present when the shuttle moves. | The object seemed to anticipate the streak, did a right angle, | and split. This is what they do not want to address. | The "disk and dome" object is breath taking. They did not want | to run that. As to DiPietro, he enhanced the tape, and is now....... | (according to a guy who knows him very well, and who called me) | scared out of his pants that he will be fired. | This tape was not to have been released, and it was just plain | dumb luck it was. Joe | ? Ted M. | GA Joe Joe | So far it seems as if there has been a concerted effort by | every TV show to keep you from showing the entire tape and the | digitally enhanced tape with the clear view of a domed object... | do you know of anyway that this can be shown to the American | public on National Television? It is a travesty of justice if this is | not shown all know, the government is up to its neck right now over the | cover-up of the POW/MIA issue, this is just one more example of | the fascism that is being practiced by our CIA/DIA and other spook | groups...this HAS got to be shown! GA DON | !! Bert | GA Don. Ted is on phone. ga DON | NASA and the CIA conducted a project study back in the 70's | on UFOs, which NASA first admitted, then recanted. | NASA is in up to their neck with NSA, NRO, CIA, and all the top | intelligence agencies because of space satellites technology, etc. | and anyone who thinks that they are still the civilian space | agency is full of it. Since Truly was fired, and Goldin took over, | and let us not forget that Goldin has ties to the NSA thru TRW, and that | NASA has become deeply militarized and black, the civilian aspect has taken | it in the shorts. These people that think that NASA will tell |the truth as they know they are not smelling the coffee. NASA is a federal agency, and like | the CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, NRO, and the rest of them, | will do what they damn well feel, and nothing else. ga Bert When Golden was appointed a few months back... | there was an article in Science which expressed... | some concern about the absence of background on him. They called him... | the "mystery man" and pointed out that he was director of some | really black projects while at TRW. Since then I've seen him | interviewed a few times on TV and he seems to come across as all business. |Hard to say good or bad. ga DON | Oh, BTW, my guest tonight is Ralph McGehee, a 25 year retired vet. of the | CIA. An agency critic. Should be a great show. Joe | Is this cable radio only? DON | Satellite dish if you got it. Joe | I have a friend, thanks, GA Bert | Is McGehee the guy who appeared on Unsolved Mysteries when they... | did the Bentwaters piece. If so he's the guy who tried hard to... | debunk the whole thing. ga DON | Nope, not the same. Joe | ! DON | Well, gotta run, you all take care. Anne | bye, DON Bert | Seeya Don. Joe | c-ya don Ted M. | Thanks Bert, I was on an overseas call. Night Don. GA Joe Joe | OK... | What do you think the possibility is of we, the civilian U.S. | UFO investigators approaching either the French or the former Soviets... | and soliciting their help in these matters?...Certainly the | soviets need the money and they MUST have information from their space | program that could prove to be helpful. GA Terry | ! Ted M. | GA Terry Terry |Joe, Don has been in contact with top Russian people (UFO & | space types) for some time now, and Vallee is also working with Russians. | Don got and published the Russian photo of the missile from Mars... | approaching the Phobos II probe just before it went out. ga Joe | ! Bert | ? Ted M. | GA Joe Joe | OK, that is excellent, what about the French, the Brazilians | and the Belgians, any idea of getting help from them?... | Also, what about forming a PAC to try and get the Senate and | house to start putting some pressure onto the spooks? ga Ted M. | Ga Bert Bert has everyone seen the new file in lib10? i.e. the one describing the ... | base in northern CA? ga Terry | No. Joe | not yet, I'll get it after meeting ga Bert | It's a very interesting file. It's a report from this Phoenix | group that also put up the report on Dulce a few weeks ago. No | names mentioned again, but at least it sets up a situation | where people can easily go and check this out. Could be more | disinfo. I thought the Dulce report was a little suspicious. | But who knows? It's definitely worth looking over. ga Joe | ? Ted M. | You know I thought the two files were totally different in style. | The first seemed more objective, while the second was more like Cooper. | | Less professional and more like an evangelist. GA Joe Joe | What was Phoenix's general conclusion, yea or Nay on the | North Cal base? Bert | ! Ted M. | GA Bert Bert | They claim to have done an investigation which they describe in some detail. | They did magnetometer analyses of an area which they claimed | showed a huge metal dome and tunnels etc. underground in this | particular area. They tell you how to get there etc. They | encourage the public to go check it out they also have seen | craft going in to the base. They claim that... | they can't loose on this, because by going public with the | report the Gov. will have to fence off the area and patrol it | etc. and that itself will be confirmation of the bases | presence. ga Joe | ? Ted M. | GA Joe Joe | Has anyone ordered anything from Phoenix yet? ga Bert | Not me. Terry | Not me. Ted M. | Just a cheeseburger and fries. Bert | They give an address where you can get documents, photos, etc. | relating to report. Sounds sort of Valerianesque though. ga Joe | A PhoenixBurger! ga Ted M. | Yes, it was burned sooooo bad it arose from it's own ashes. ga Joe | hahahah Well that base should be pretty easy to check out. | Might be worth a trip up there to see what's going on. ga Ted M. | Gotta go folks... | Night all ga Joe | c-ya, Ted Bert | Night Ted. Terry | Nite Ted. ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************