SUBJECT: MUFON REPORTS FILE: UFO2594 PART 4 --------------------------------------- Date: Fri Mar 11 14:47:52 1988 From: DALE B. WEDGE (ae511) Subj: MJ-12/Klass/Friedman/The Debate If you have been following the UFO uploads, you will remember that we have discussed the MJ-12 documents that were supplied by Bill Moore/Jaime Shandera/Stanton T. Friedman. As the skeptics know, Phil Klass has called these hoax docu- ments. Well, the debate continues, and so does Stan Friedman. The following was taken from the current issue of SAUCER SMEAR which is put out by James Moseley of Florida: Dear Jim: The spelling of Air Materiel Command isn't the only foolish mistake made by Phil Klass in his frenzy of massive misrep- resentation about MJ-12. All his other "Hard Evidence" along with the complaints of CAUS and Peter Gersten also fall flat upon careful scrutiny. For example, Klass tried to complain that the MJ-12 Briefing document was a fraud because it used a "wrong" date format (18 September, 1952---06 December), "erroneously" referred to R.H. Hillenkoetter as Roscoe, and the Truman-Forrestal "letter" was unlike genuine Truman Letters. The facts are that the "wrong" date format, not only was used by many others besides Bill Moore including Hillen- koetter himself, and was standard with NATO and even specified in an early version of JANAP 146. RHH's name indeed Roscoe and his full name is noted on President Truman's appointment book. The Truman Forrestal item is plainly called MEMORANDUM and of course is unlike other "letters" especially in not including the recipient's address. Klass flat out lied about an FBI age test of the Cutler memo. It is almost ludicrous for Klass to postulate what Ike did or not know in July of 1947 and therefore how Hillenkoetter would have pharsed a briefing 5 years later. After all CSICOP has also bitterly attacked psychic phenomena and here is PK being psychic. The CAUS complaints, which reek of sour grapes, are equally without foundation though quite worthy as compared with the Klass Komplaints. Gersten's notion that what happened at Roswell and most 1947-1952 sightings are connected with Earth based technology derived from the Horten Brothers flying wing technology is frankly absurd. If any government (the US, USSR, or anybody else) had the saucer technology capable of supersonic highly maneuverable flight without noise, visible engines, etc and made of extraordinarily strong and light weight material in 1947 and was able to find enough midgets to operate a fleet of such vehicles in 1947, than why have the primary protagonists still built Mig- 21,23, and 25 and F-16, 17, 18 and Mirage 3 etc etc aircraft with conventional jet engines, loads of noise and no super- strong lightweight skin?? The Northrop Flying Wing Aircraft was indeed a fine plane. But it was NOT a flying saucer. Jac Northrup personally told me of a sighting by an FW pilot of a flying saucer. Jack was convinced that some UFOs were indeed of alien origin. No, Jim, despite the hue and cry, no evidence yet put forth gives any indication that the MJ-12 Briefing and the Cutler- Twining and Truman-Forrestal Memoranda are fradulent. Quite the contrary. One is tempted to conclude that if the arguments made to date with all the frantic scurrrying about are the best that can be made, that clearly the documents must be genuine!! One must, of course, take into account such strong and surprising findings as Donald Menzel's activities on highly classified matter, that the dates of both the Truman- Forrestal Memorandum and Ike-Briefing are indeed of special significance, that the wording of the Cutler-Twining memo echoes that of other obscure memos from that time frame, etc, etc. Hopefully all the critics will read my over- view article in IUR, and then at least do more homework before rushing to judgment or blind acceptance of the proper sounding objections not backed up by solid research. It is almost funny that Klass's source of the wrong spelling of Materiel was a letter in the Condon report (retyped, not Zeroxed), when there are three correct spellings, at least, in the same volume! I would suggest that the critics start doing some real research rather than jumping blindly to conclusions derived from wish- ful thinking and apparently fear of reality. Lord knows there is still plenty of work to do such as unearthing who all was at the Ike Briefing on November 18, 1952, and what Bush and Forrestal discussed at their Sept. 24, 1947, meeting just prior to their only meeting with Truman in late 1947, and what Donald Menzel did during his trips to New Mexico in 1947 and Hasitly, /STAN/ --------------------------------------- ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************