SUBJECT: COMPUSERVE CON WITH GEORGE & SHIRLEY COYNE FILE: UFO1414 *********** The Issues Forum 12/10/89 19:58:55 Ted | Tonight we are fortunate to have as our special guests... | Shirley and George Coyne (with Bert acting as a local host.)... | The Coyne's are not new to our forum as about a year ago they... | were guest in a similar Sunday night session.... | For those of you who were not there the transcript is in LIB 10 | under COYNE.CO. Shirley is an Abductee and was mentioned in... | "Intruders". Tonights CO will be formal and I will... | start out with a brief on-line interview... | Shirley, at our last CO you were plagued with survailence by... | "Black Helicopters" is that still going on? ga SHIRLEY | ok... | Funny you should mention that. At about 5:00 pm tonight... | a black helicopter flew slowly over our trailer.... | It is interesting that George had told several people on | the | phone that Bert was going to be here around that time. | However, Bert | did not arrive until 5:30. So he did not see it. George did get | some photographs of it. Hope they come out. It was low | enough to see | the special insignia that we now recognize. Also a few | months ago... | we were working with some abductees who were scheduled to be... | at our place at 7:00 pm. The copter showed up at 6:45 and | hovered for 45 min. The people had had a previous experience with the | copter and turned and ran when they got here and saw it. GA Ted | Ok... | What do you think the significance is of the helicopters? Has... | you opinion changed since our last CO? ga SHIRLEY | We still think it's the NSA as determined by their telling... | Senator Reigle to "bow out". GA Ted | Please explain. ga George | ok... | We had written to Reigle and he wrote letters to CIA, NSA and | FBI... | trying to get them to cease harrassing us. FBI told Reigl that... | they were not interested in George and Shirley Coyne as ... | investigative subjects. And the NSA said that they were... | not interested in George Coyne as a subject. And the next day... | Sen. Reigle closed the case. GA Ted | Ok... | Any new sightings/experiences since our last CO? ga Shirley | We have not had any. But there have been a number of new | abuductees.... | found who are waiting for help (regression). GA Ted | Ok... | What is your advice to others who might find... | themselves victims of the abduction phenomenon? ga Shirley | ok... | First we reassure them that we don't feel that any | intentional... | harm has been exhibited, in order to set their minds at ease. | ... | If they are not having any problems coping, we advise them to | ... | leave it alone. Because once they embark there is no turning | back. GA Ted | Ok.... | I will now open the floor to general questions GA People! Bill | ? Ted | Ga Bill Bill | Shirley, I hope I'm not wasting the group time by asking for | conjecture... Bill | but...It has become quite apparent to me over the years... | that intelligent interests in our government work very hard... | to go WAY out of their way to make it bizarrely obvious to | people... | that they are under sr | surveillance. Would you care to offer... | a guess as to why?? What is their goal in this? And why do | you think... | your problems are NSA?? If the CIA didn't respond negatively | to Reigle, maybe it's them. | .. | Besides, they are more often involved in the...less passive | aspects of intelligence/ GA Ted | GA Shirley Shirley | ok... | perhaps they are afraid we are being given secrets... | that might get in the wrong hands. We think it was NSA | because... | Reigle closed the case the day after he heard from NSA. He was | probably... | told to drop it. This was before he heard from CIA. Again the | CIS said... | they were not interested in this. GA Terry | ? Ted | I am sure | you ment CIA not CIS.... | GA Terry Terry | Shirley, can you describe thew chopper's insignia? | ga Shirley | ok... Ted | GA Shirley Shirley | It's an approximately two foot white circle... | with a small black circle in the middle of it. GA | Also... Terry | On a black chopper? Shirley | the chopper is black with black windows, no numbers... Ted | Does that strike a familiar note Terry? ga Terry | No....do you measn a white disk with a black circle on it... Shirley | no letters....insignia is on left side partially on door and | "nose" .ga Terry | or a black circle withina white circle? Shirley | ok... | It's a black solid circle within a larger white circle. GA Terry | Thanks,. ga julie | / | ? Ted | Have you had a personal encounter or abdcuvtion since... | our last CO? ga Shirley | No we have not. ga | Our last abduction... Ted | Ok, Julie is next Shirley | was August of 83. ga julie | What do you think the purpose of the copter is--just letting | you know they're watching? Shirley | ok... | we think they are trying to scare us out of the field... | because we do so much public speaking on radio, TV, | newspapers... | private groups, etc. ga julie | are you being scared at all? Jack | ? Terry | ? Shirley | We are more scared of the government than the "aliens". ga Ted | Jack is next Jack | Ok... | After reading several of the "abduction books" out on the | market... | it seems that a common thread is the continuing (and previous | from childhood).. | activity or interest by the abductors. Is this the case with | most... | abductees (including yourselves) ? ga Shirley | Yes... | GA Terry | ? Ted | Terry GA Terry | If the chopper photos come out... | will copies be available? ga Shirley | Sure... | we also have a video from a previous encounter.... | this on occured during a Michigan MUFON meeting with 54 | attendees. ... | We watched the video a number times that day during meeting. GA Terry | How can I get a copy? ga Shirley | I'll see if I can have a copy made. Will try to get it to you | through... | Bert. ga Terry | Thanks. ga Ted | Shirley, Jack talked about the "common threads" from | childhood... | can you tel us about your early childhood expereinces? ga Shirley | ok... | In my first experience I was 9 years old. I was taken from my | bedroom... Bill | ? Shirley | after my mother shot at them a rifle. I was taken aboard the | craft... | put through a painful examination. I encountered on | particular... | entity that I know as Ooulaad. I have encountered the same | "individual"... | on a number of occassions since that particular abduction. Not | all... | of my experiences have been painful, and they have not all | been... | bad. The experience in 1983 was a healing experience. After | that... | experience I was cured of a life long bout with Lupus and | Addisons Disease. ga Ted | Ok, Bill is next ga Bill | Shirley, I'm undergoing hypnosis with David Jacobs..,. | and I've recalled a number of abductions so far... | I feel emotionally calm, but I am not ready to accept... | the regression "memories" an anything other than fantasy yet. | How do you... | distinguish the two and how long did it take you/or does it | take... | most folks without a conscious contact experience, to accept | the "memories" | as reality? I have a second ? too, if there's no line. GA Shirley | ok... | first outside of Budd Hopkins, you probably could not do better | than... | David Jacobs. He is one of the best.... | David should be able to make a reasonable judgement as to | what... | is fact or fantasy. It is very common... | to feel that it's fantasy during the first few sessions.... | it's also harder for men to accept the experience than women.... | because men are brought up to feel more in control. ga Terry | ? Bill | GA Terry Ted | Ok, Bill any follow up? ga Terry | Shirley, did any of your experiences o cur... | near St. Augustine, Fla? ga Shirley | One of my encounters when I... | was 17 was in Orlando, Florida. I think Bill had a followup | question. ga Bill | OK< sorry Terry... | Ted wanted me to ask about a thing I had on my finger... | It is a conscious memory, vivid. I came home as a kid & | walked... | in the house and there was this thing attached to my finger... | It was opaque, and yet you could not see the bottom... | It had the consistency of flesh or rubber, was on the end of... | my 2nd or 3rd finger from the thumb... | and had lots of little tiny glittery specs in it... | It could not be dislodged and I had no idea where it came | from... | My parents noticed it first. Two weeks later, just before a | scheduled... | doctor's visit to examine it, it disappeared the same way. No | memory.. | my parents noticed it first. Ever heard of such an external | "implant?" GA Shirley | ok... Richard Salts: (5-11 Richard) I a Shirley | I haven't really heard of anything like that. How big was it? ga Ted | Ok... Bill | It was the width of the finger, was towards the end... | Like a super big blister, I guess, but I'm not... | sure of the size of my fingers at the time. It had no sense of | ... | feeling or touch unless I tried to pry it off, then I felt the | pull... Terry | ! Bill | on the skin underneath. Under hypnosis, I recalled it being ... | applied. First, little holes were made in the skin, and then | an... | adhesive was applied in the score marks and on the thing. GA Ted | I have heard of something like that twice now (other than | Bill).. | First time ws fro, Budd Hopkins and the "Glittery" implant.. | was in a young boy's chest. It "popped" out and broke... | and was described as "mica" like in substance. The second... | time occurance was also on the finger. At this point I can't | recall... GEORGE FORD: ? Ted | where I read it. But it was in the last 6 months... | I will check! GA Terry Terry | Nothing, just a silly thought. ga Bill | ! Shirley | ! Ted | Nothing is silly here GA Terry | I'm silly almost everywhere, Ted. I just thought it sounded | like a ... | wart. | Sorry. ga Ted | Ah! A Mica filled "wart." Ok, GEORGE is next GA GEORGE FORD: DID ANYONE SEE THE MOVIE COMMUNION? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOVIE? GA Ted | Ok.. | George we are having a formal CO... | with Abductee Shirley Coyne as a guest... John | Hi, all!! Ted | after we get through the formal; part we can talk about... | general experiences. GA Bill Bill | ok | I just wanted to clarify a detail I provided about the | "thing."... | The tiny holes scored in my finger were painless, and done with | a chrome- | like hook thing. Glue was dropped in there, and then the | adhesive that was... GEORGE FORD: YES Bill | placed on the "thing" was actually placed. | ... | on the RIM of the circular thing. This made it impossible... | for me to get anything underneath it and pry it off. It | wouldn't budge. GA Ted | Ok... Jack | ? Alf | ? Ted | Interesting! Shirley did you have a comment? ga Shirley | ok... | I have heard of situations where when the people came... | out of the craft, they had some sort of glitter on their body. | I have... | not heard of the "attachment" procedure you describe. ... | This past week right after a series of "dreams" that George and | I... | both had, we discovered a small yellow ball a little larger | than... | a beebee.... | it is very light and scored. I have tried to cut it with a | knife... Terry | ? Shirley | and took finger nail file to it. I could not mark it at all. | The three... | of us are sitting here looking at it right now. It would be | interesting... | to get it analyzed. ga Terry | ? Ted | Yes it would... | Bert, as a scientist what does it look like to you? ga Bert | ok... | It looks pretty much like Shirley described. It sort of looks | sort... Jack | ? Bert | of like a pearl, however it has some grooves in it.... | when we look at it under a magnifying glass, it looks sort of | like... | are you ready for this.... | a small "brain" . GA Terry | ? Ted | Ok... | (I'll refrain from comment.) GA Jack Jack | ok... | Does the ball float ? Is it magnetic ? Also, Shirley have you | verbal... | communication with the individual you named ? ga Bert | ok... Shirley | We are testing it right now for flotation. Hang on... | OK, it does not float. It dropped like a rock... Terry | ? Shirley | We are surprised because it is so light. ga Jack | ga Terry Terry | Where did you find it? Shirley | ok... Terry | ga Shirley | It was in the living room besides George's chair. We are... | noticing right now that exposure to the water resulted in... | a change in color, from yellow to white. It also now seems to | be... | acquiring some "glitter". ga Jack | ? Bill | ! Ted | Ok.. | Alf is next GA Alf Alf | ok... Jack | sen 4 Bert It should be easy to measure density/specific | gravity in the water Alf | Shirley, among abductees has anyone reported memories... | of creatures that look like "elf"s (for lack of a better | analogy)... | but not like those creatures that Strieber reports ? ga Shirley | Yes... GEORGE FORD: ? Shirley | we are aware of "creatures" (I saw one myself)... | 3 and a half to 4 feet tall... | brownish yellow hair about 4 inches long.... | and they are stockier than the "grays"... | they sometimes wear a brown hooded cloak. When I saw it, George | and... | another abductee were in the room with me, and they did not see | it. ga | He laid his hand... Shirley | on my shoulder and then disappeared. ga Ted | Tery is next. GA Terry Alf | ! Terry | I asked mine and was answered, Ted. ga Bill | ?! Ted | Ok.. GA ALF Alf | thx... | Shirley , what you just said was NOT comforting! ..what did... | you mean it 'disappeared' ? (that I didn't expect you to saY!) | ga Shirley | ok... | it was just as if it moved out of our dimension into another. | The... | same way it probably came in. ga Alf | ? Shirley | I know it's hard to swallow, but it's the truth. ga Ted | Ga Alf Alf | Was it in your room , your home? ga Shirley | It was in the home... Alf | ! Shirley | of an abductee that we were interviewing. ga Ted | Ok.. Terry | ? Ted | Bill is next. GA Bill Bill | ? | OK... | Is glitter still appearing? What color(s) are showing up?.. Shirley | ok... Bill | My both appeared and disappeared on uneventful walks home from | the... | local swimming pool, so I was wet at the time. GA Jack | ? Shirley | After holding the round thing, were are all noticing now... | that there is a little glitter on our hands. The thing is | still... | it's changed color (white). It now seems to have a few .... Jack | ! Shirley | small black specks in it. ga Ted | Ok.. Bill | F-U? | That's follow up, not profane FU Ted | The order is: Alf, Terry and Jack GA Alf Alf | thx... | the reason I brought up the 'elf' issue is a 'dream' that I | had... | and I always brushed it off although it was so... | REAL. I had just finished taking a shower and returned to... | my room. Sitting at the end of the bed I noticed after a few... | moments the presence of a very small person at the head of | the... | bed. Dressed in all white. Looking at me with his round eyes | with... | no white part to them, slighltly parted mouth with pure white... | teeth. He had whispy whiskers, whitish/grey and grey hair... | skin was like someone from India but skin of a baby!... | I then heard a noise like someone was pushing an enevelope | under my door... | and when I turned around he had gone! It took quite a while | tho... | and I was able to observe him very well... | even made sketches of it/him... | ga Ted | OK. Terry then Jack. GA Terry Terry | About these little creatures, Shirley.... | Could you see them if you looked directly at them... | or only peripherally? ga Shirley | ok... | Yes I was looking directly at him and saw him clearly. ga Terry | Okay. Thanks. ga Ted | Ok.. | Jack GA Jack | ok... | Shirley, are there any plans to have the ball analyzed. I would | be very... | interested in the results. ga Bill | ? Shirley | ok... | we were just talking about that. We will try to find a lab. | Maybe... | Bert can help us on this. ga Jack | ok... | I think I would document and photgraph it (and maybe )... | do some simple tests, just it case it gets "lost". ga Shirley | Good points. ga Ted | GA Bill Bill | This seems to be a ? that comes up... | over and over again. At the risk of getting my... | "file" reactivated, shouldn't MUFON or CUFON or whoever... | select a scientific volunteer panel to study various aspects... | of precious physical evidence?? People you trust. GA Shirley | ok... | MUFON is actually in the process of doing that for exactly... | that purpose. ga Terry | ? Ted | GA George GEORGE FORD: thx... | Shirley, concerning your abductions experiences... | what do you think of Mr. Streibers works... | since he is / was foremost a fiction writer.. of war storees, | etc. ga Shirley | ok... | we know Mr. Streiber well... | he is primarily a writer and has a good imagination.... | he told us that when he couldn't make any more money in ufos,... | he would go into something else. Evidently, channelling. ga Ted | Did he say channeling or is that your conclusion? ga GEORGE FORD: i had some trouble reading transformation, seemed so far | from mainstrea. | ga' Terry | ? Shirley | Transformation was stories from other people... | based on letters he received. ga Bill | ? Ted | Did Strieber say he would go into channeling? ga Shirley | He did not tell us... | but he has told other people that his next thing... GEORGE FORD: ? Shirley | would probably be channelling. ga Ted | Ok... | Terry is next ga Terry | Shirley, do y'all have an aquarium? | ga Shirley | No pets. ga Terry | Okay. ga GEORGE FORD: ? Ted | Bill is next GA Bill | Oh, sorry... | I was going to ask if WS was being serious or funny. .. | Of course, you can channel aliens and get 2 for 1 . That's all | GA Terry | ?sen 10 Well, she's been describing a snail egg... Ted | Ok.. | GA GEORGE GEORGE FORD: thx... | Shirley, what has been said to abductees concerning... | prophecies, and general timing for ufos appearance to all? ga Bill | ? Shirley | ok... | Most of the abductees that we deal with feel that... | ufos will eventually be coming en masse. ga Ted | GA BILL Bill | En masse with hostility or to rescue us or as tourists??.. | and, Is it common for abductees... Alf | ! Bill | to WANT to interact with the "others" and to... | obsess years before thinking of this seriously about | interacting with the,m? GA | ga Shirley | ok... | first they are necessarily coming as hostile visitors, but | they.... | are coming for their own purposes. This comes up while people... | are under hypnosis and the people are usually shoced when | they... | realize this. ga Terry | ? Ted | Ok.. GA ALF Bill | FU? Alf | perhaps if we could time their coming... | just right we might be able to ... | make a bundle at Wall St! ga Ted | GA Terry Shirley | NOT necessarily hostile (correction). ga Terry | Shirley, do they have any apparent weaknesses that you've | noticed? | Physical or mental? ga Shirley | ok... | I think they fear our size and strength and that's why... | they contol us. Perhaps WE are the hostile ones. ga Alf | ! Ted | Ok... GEORGE FORD: ! Ted | Bill is next witha (F)ollow (U)P [FU] - sorry about the .. Bill | I've already asked it in private, but I never.. | did really get an answer about my "obsession" with them.. Ted | missunderstanding Bil) GA Bill Bill | for years before I ever... | considered hypnosis or seriously that I may have been abducted> | GA Ted | Ok GA Alf Bill | Is that common, Shirley? GA Alf | ok... | perhaps indeed we are the hostile ones, but... | size and strength never seemed to favor the Gorillas in | Rwanda... | and we might be talking here of a space faring | civilization(s)... | so much farther ahead of us than we of the Gorilla. ga Ted | Good point Alf. ga Shirley | True. ga Ted | GA George GEORGE FORD: thx... Bill | ! GEORGE FORD: we might be as in Zecharia sitchin's "Wars of Gods and | Men"... Terry | ? GEORGE FORD: are we created, prodigy of these people, have got in fight | with them in past? ga Shirley | ok... Ted | Comments George and Shirley? ga Terry | ? Shirley and George: ok... | There is a possibility that they were involved with the ancient | Sumarians.... GEORGE FORD: ga Shirley and George: or some other group... | and contributed to our more modern evolution. ga Ted | OK, GA Bill Bill | As a child, I would go outside with a flashlight... | shine it up at the stars... | and say "I know there are people up there.... | Come and visit me. At least let me see you. Fly by ONCE.!"... | This was YEARS before seeing UFO books in school or any of this | stuff. Is this... | type of early conscious manifestation of a history usual ?? GA Shirley and George: ok... | Yes, this is common. I (Shirley) used to sit on the step when... | I was five and look up at the sky and be angry... | and ask why they brought me here. And said why don't you come... | back and get me. ga Bill | ? Terry | ? Ted | GA Terry Terry | You think they fear our size and strength; what about.... | our weapons? Have they expressed any interest in.... | gun control? | ga Shirley and George: They're not afraid of out weapons. ga Ted | GA Bill Bill | But is an emotion of lonliness and longing for them... | usual as well as fear and anger? And do you feel... Terry | ? Bill | you are genetically or socially or spiritually partially with | them... | and not with the remainder of Earthly humanity?? GA Shirley | ok... | Longing and loneliness is very common... | at some point in your experiences you seem to get over.... | your fear and anger and beging to grow spiritually. I don't... | necessarily feel that I am "with them", however, I also feel | that.... | I don't belong here. I don't feel that I belong to the people... | that I call my family. ga Terry | ? Ted | GA Terry Terry | Do the aliens show any sign of having, recognizing or | understandxing... | a sense of humor? ga Shirley | Yes... | when I was 9 years old, during that experience, I said I... | don't know what the word unique is when he used it. He patted... | me on top of the head and chuckled and said that he would... | teach me many things. ga | They can also show anger. ga Ted | Ok... | Any other questions? ga Bill | ? Alf | ? Ted | GA Bill GEORGE FORD: ? Bill | How many times have you been hypnotized in total by now? Ted | GA Shirley Bill | GA Shirley | ok... | about 15 times. ga Ted | GA ALF Alf | ok... | you said, Shirley, that they can show anger... | now that sounds very threatening! How have they... | manifested anger? to you? others? reason? ga Shirley | ok... | the being got angry with me because he told me what to do ... | to help George with a heart problem. It frightened me and I | jerked... | my hand away, and he grabbed my hand and put it back... | on George's chest. And was angry with me and told me... | that "I would do it". He told me to put my left hand on... | Georges chest and it felt like an electric shock. That is | what... | frightened me. George was having chest pains and trouble | breathing. ... | The result was that George's problem eased up. ga Ted | GA GEORGE GEORGE FORD: ok... | Shirley, the aliens responses to the abductees..commanding, | anger... | makes them seem god-like,,any abductee msessages concerning... | religious tie-ins, to any earth relighions, reincarnations> ga Ted | Any others? ga Shirley | ok... | The beings have told us that reincarnation... | is a fact. As far as religion goes, the beings have told us... | that we are all of one "supreme being". ga GEORGE FORD: ? Ted | Ok... | It is getting late and I would like to thank... | Shirley and George Cpyne for being our VERY special... | guest tonight. Also I would like to thank Bert for... | traveling to the Coynes' and acting as our local.. | host in Michigan. Any final comment Shirley or George? ga GEORGE FORD: send 4 that we are like an atom in some larger existence | "dimension?" Shirley and George: ok... | It's been great. Thanks for having us on... Terry | ! Shirley and George: we would be happy to do it again in the future. ga Ted | Ok.. Bill | Thanks Shirley & George& Brt & Ted. See ya Ted | Thank you! Anyone who might have other questions can direct | them... Alf | Thanks Shirley and George, Bert, Ted and others...bye Shirley and George: Night all. Ted | via EMAIL to myself or Bert or post them on the message board... | Nite All! ga Terry | Nite. ********************************************** * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo * **********************************************