NUMBER OF LINES: 995 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* 20 MAR 92 ************************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 03/20/92 17:40 Msg:7170 Call:40440 Lines:2 20 The end is here. No it's over there. No wait.... 21 ********************************************************** 003=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/21/92 07:10 Msg:7171 Call:40450 Lines:5 22 23 Son of a (former) CEO, I called yesterday and the wall was full and now 24 I forgot what I was gunna say. It was REAL important, too. I see Dick 25 shaved his mustache ... 26 004=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/21/92 07:39 Msg:7172 Call:40451 Lines:13 27 28 Oh yeah, it was about my hard disk being gone. It was no big deal, really, 29 'cause I'd already wiped one out early on when we first got them (which is 30 a whole 'nother story in itself, having to do with the OTHER union bldg 31 rep). User Services just said "so sorry," but I knew there must be some- 32 thing SOMEONE can do ... and sure enough there was. I got the resident 33 genius to help me and he said I'd better learn about backups. Well, I'd 34 heard User Services use both "backup" and "copy" and when I called to 35 find out the difference (DOS manuals made no sense to me), they told me 36 to take their DOS class, which I already had. And then they called my 37 supervisor and told her I was rude and that if I wanted any further info 38 from them, I'd have to write letters. Which is a whole 'nother story. 39 But Nancy did come and give me a backup demo. My only concern the second 005=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/21/92 09:51 Msg:7173 Call:40452 Lines:30 40 41 &%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%& 42 43 Actually I should start at the beginning. See, I'd gotten these tickets 44 to the big computer show at the coliseum and I'd arrived there late and my 45 hair was soaking wet because I'd had to walk a long way to get the free 46 shuttle that was spposed to take me there. So there was only about left 47 on the last day, so I'm walking around kinda fast and I stop at this booth 48 that was just showing a word processing program. I'd used WordStar for two 49 years by that time, and since most of my work was columns and WordStar 50 hardly DID columns (and their upgrades only made it worse), I stopped, and 51 lo and beehold, I KNEW the woman. Anyway, she had 2 masters AND a law 52 degree (one masters in public administraton BTW), and she showed me Word 53 Perfect. So the rest of our department was gonna get computers and they 54 asked me to attend a meeting w/User Services to show them what kinda word 55 I'd been doing on the computer so they could fit a program to our best 56 use. As it happened, I had a temporary job at the BESC that summer, right 57 down the hall from User Services as a matter of fact, so naturally I asked 58 about maybe previewing their copy of WordPercect, thnking that it was of 59 course being considered beings as how it was only $125 and WordStar was 60 $399. For some reason they kept putting me off, never saying it wasn't 61 even being considered until one day I was sitting down there discussing 62 this project I was doing for the new administrator I wa working for over 63 there and when I brought up WordPerfect User Services specialists started 64 crawling outta the woodwork for everywhere practically tellng me never to 65 mention that word again. Well, I thought they were a bunch of bullies and 66 I tried to get outta there as soon as I could. I was real confused, 67 though, because I noticed other people at the BESC *were* using Word 68 Perfect and it kinda made me mad. Know what I mean??? 69 006=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/21/92 18:12 Msg:7174 Call:40457 Lines:19 70 71 M 72 73 It wasn't just me who was upset. Just after she'd done the in-house 74 effeciency check on our department, I ran into Nancy Eliot at the 75 Dixon Street Diner and she was furious about not being allowed to use 76 Lotus 123 and even more furious that two music teachers and a kinder- 77 garten teacher had the power to make such a 78 decision. But that fall, her report included a letter from Bob Williams 79 stating it was district policy that everybody HAD to use WordStar. When 80 I talked to her years later to get a copy of my questionnaires, she said 81 something about submitting my supervisor submitting the information I'd 82 given her about WordPerfect. One of my Teachers on Special Assignment 83 did eventually buy me WordPerfect but I could use in for only one of my 84 five TSAs and when WordStar came out with its upgrade, the way it was 85 installed there wasn't enough room for both programs (they wouldn't get 86 me more memory either, even though the Electronics Shop said it would 87 only cost about $50). 88 007=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/22/92 09:32 Msg:7175 Call:40463 Lines:9 89 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( THIS is the ugliness behind 90 91 sausage making (or politics, whichever) ... some bloke keeping beer in 92 his office fridge for those who drink before breakfast, according to Gail 93 Shibley/Steve Duin??? Geesh, I should think they could come up with some 94 Strings Attached Shenanigans more newsworthy and relevant than THAT, al- 95 though in my one visit to Don McElroy's claustophobic quaters, I got the 96 impression the furniture behind his desk strongly resembled a liquor cabinet. 97 008=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/22/92 09:49 Msg:7176 Call:40465 Lines:8 98 And another time when sent on an errand to up to that inner sanctum, right 99 about the time they'd cnstructed all the smokescreens, I happened onto his 100 rather severe-looking "guard" smoking at her desk at a time when the all 101 the rest of us had been banished to the boiler rooms or outside (there was 102 also an ashtry out in front of the board/public info office). But these 103 are not the things I would chose to emphasize over all the other indignities 104 of "prison" politics. 105 009=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/22/92 15:01 Msg:7177 Call:40466 Lines:3 106 HI BOBERT HOWS IT GOING?STEVE. 107 108 010=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 12:49 Msg:7178 Call:40478 Lines:25 109 110 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 111 112 Interesting appointment, say the least. I managed to get there on time 113 despite an irritating mishap with Tri Met where two buses came at the same 114 time, the second one an express, but the express passed me by. Man was I 115 ever steamed! Then I got to the ad building and was informed the meeting 116 was for tomorrow. No comment. She agreed to meeting me at 10:45 instead 117 of 8:15, which was right kind I though. So I went out walking, carrying 118 my suitcase of documents. Anyway, I ended up conversing with a Dr. Bop 119 who Said he was 18 days outta OSP after serving 18 years for hijacking a 120 plane to Cuba. What fun! He said if I was ever considering being home- 121 less I'd need alcohol, peroxide, and bleach and said I'd need to earn 122 about $20 a day somehow if I didn't wanna eat at Baloney Joes. He said he 123 was working on a 50-page book and told me I should do the same. Either 124 that or he'd go over my suitcase documents with me 'cause he was somewhat 125 of a jailhouse lawyer himself and then an attorney. I told him I was 126 going the accountability route right now. He said I'd probably see him 127 around town, probably later, but I couldn't find him. He told me you 128 clean your sneakers by pouring bleach over 'em and showed me the alcohol 129 he used for the scraches he always gets when he does yardwork for people 130 and that he was outta peroxide at the moment. He said he was clean even 131 if he looked like a bum. Said people loved him whether he had a tie on 132 or not. He said in Cuba everybody just lives outside 'cause it's so warm. 133 011=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 13:16 Msg:7179 Call:40480 Lines:21 134 ********** 135 136 Back so soon, you ask? BTW, I *KNOW* there's grammmatical, spelling, and 137 typing errors above but hey, I'm on extended *vacation* right now (even 138 though it's not a VAcation as such, as the Ms. Dias who won the local 139 harassment suit will tell you). Anyway, about the meeting .... We 140 kept going round and round about why I'd still be pursuing by grievances 141 (my little cause, she called it) against the District and then she kept 142 trying to show me the errors in my thinking. When that didn't work (*I* 143 think I had equally as logical and more real arguments), she tried to 144 pull Trump by saying she was a counselor at PSU ... at PSU, I thought, 145 AND a neighbor of Eleanors. When that didn't phase me, she threw in she 146 was currently working with Randi Nalon Posts at Marshall on some children's 147 project, like THAT was supposed to phase me. She said I should "try to be 148 a politician" if I wanted to "change the world" and "dictate policy" but 149 I said I could probably achieve alot more by running as a union rep in- 150 district. I could have alot of leverage after what all I'd been through. 151 After all, I said, that's what happened before in the union only the rep 152 was on the other side. (I know I'll suffer from the boon bestowers on that 153 one ... ) 154 012=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 14:51 Msg:7180 Call:40483 Lines:14 155 156 ????? She also suggested I do Volunteer Work working with kids if I 157 wanted "to change the world" which I'd said nothing about. I thought 158 maybe I could volunteer to teach a class on How to Improve Schools. 159 I might do just as well as some . We also got on self-esteem 160 issues and drugs and all. Since she'd smugly suggested I become "a 161 since she suggested "running for office" or "becoming a politician", 162 could probably do best at the district level. I wouldn't let them tell 163 the people I was extorting dues from that "it's 10% what happens and 164 90% your reaction," which was twisted in a Personnel memo to me of 11/88 165 happened but what WILL" (which I could write a book about ...), I 166 politician" or "run for office" so I could make policy, I replied I 167 spirals right into self-esteem issues. 168 013=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 16:00 Msg:7181 Call:40486 Lines:3 169 to state "it's not what HAS happened but what WILL" (which I could write 170 re 165 171 li 156 014=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/23/92 21:28 Msg:7182 Call:40492 Lines:37 172 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 173 174 I'll clean up that last entry later; I'm too excited right now. These 175 stonewall encounters with community pillars just drive me nuts. I think 176 the only reason Carol agreed to an appointment THIS time is because I 177 mentioned the Grant Cluster "lynching," which I stated to her sounded too 178 much like too many events I'd witnessed and suffered through in my 10 179 years with the District. See, she'd denied the executive session the 180 then-current Board pamphlet said was the only way to deal with "personnel 181 matters" so I'd written down almost everything I could think of, saving 182 some savory morsels for "another time," and had it delivered to her in 183 the board meeting that was to consider "my little cause." Of course, 184 the results were already posted in the board minutes for that meeting 185 (along with a rescinsion of another miscarriage of justice that HAD 186 dealt with) and I was already "released" (as Mr. Rieke so euphemisticallly 187 stated to me when I presented the document to him after Carol hadn't 188 bothered to respond). And about the response ... when I called her she 189 had told me she thought Dr. Prophet had taken care of the matter but in 190 the meeting today she said I never called her back, even though I had 191 left several messages on her home messagemachine and even more at the 192 Board office. And when she didn't show up this morning and the admin- 193 istrative assistant had me talk to her on the phone to arrange for 194 another appointment, she begged me to leave some documentation so she'd 195 be better prepared, like the stuff I'd submitted to Rieke (a revised 196 version of what I gave her). But I told her I thought there was a 197 confidentiality problem what with public information being right there 198 in the same office and all. Then in the meeting she stated somehow 199 she'd magically found the copy Steven Kafoury had claimed he lost (and 200 Carol said he'd probably shredded when I mentioned confidentiality) and 201 it was locked in a safe place in the Board office. So she must have 202 prepared herself with it during the time she couldn't meet with me. 203 But really, it sounded like she'd really done a lot more than two hours 204 research because she was mentioning she said she'd discussed with way- 205 former board members. Overall, she tried to steer strictly clear of 206 the REAL reason she gave me an appointment this time so I'll have to 207 write her "certified" to make sure it's made a part of my complaint. 208 015=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 06:13 Msg:7183 Call:40497 Lines:14 209 210 What I was trying to get at with Carol, in presenting my material in person, 211 was that district behavior oftentimes is not too different from other gang 212 behaviors, and when I releavled to the EAP and others what was going on and 213 some of what I wa sgoing through, they'd ask what "I took" to get through it. 214 I think if they'd all study what's BEHIND drug addiction and gang membership, 215 they might figure out somethings wrong with our schools and workplaces. 216 And they might figure out we don't just need more cops and oppression, we 217 need effective, supportive schools andworkplaces. Then people might could 218 COPE better at home and little children wouldn't be killed by their parents 219 (10 children in the first 10 weeks of this year, folks). I don't do drugs 220 and don't drink, but I sure wouldn't have been able to cope with kids while 221 dealing with the stuff I did at the district. 222 016=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 08:53 Msg:7184 Call:40503 Lines:6 223 224 __________________________________ Now THAT's an interesting twist ... 225 226 PFT/OFT/AFT covers part-time PSU employees ... wonder if that includes 227 part-time employees that happen to be board members. 228 017=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/24/92 09:47 Msg:7185 Call:40504 Lines:12 229 230 The same might could hold true for Eleanor. Not only is she the wife of 231 the asst dean of educ, but she also taught there part time. In fact, it 232 was her PSU pupil that was placed as a student teacher in my friend's down- 233 stairs classroom his FIRST year teaching. Unfortunately, he died after 234 only four months teaching his very own class. 235 236@only four months with his own class. 237 238 And in that case, it would be a DOUBLE conflict of interest ... but 239 that's just off the top. Know what I mean??? 240 018=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 14:40 Msg:7186 Call:40509 Lines:2 241 ENTERMOD BOBERT IS MY PRINTER DONE? 242 BYE 019=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 18:21 Msg:7187 Call:40514 Lines:3 243 ENTERMOD BOBRET WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE 244 HAVE MY PRINTER FOR ME? I HOPE ITS SOON. 245 BECAUSE I REALY NEED IT. 020=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/24/92 18:26 Msg:7188 Call:40515 Lines:3 246 C 247 248 021=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:03 Msg:7189 Call:40523 Lines:4 249 250 &?&?&? And I suppose escorting chicks out the office door with an arm 251 around them is just another way to serve up a little "Southern" comfort? 252 022=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:19 Msg:7190 Call:40525 Lines:8 253 254 And yet another internationally television reflection on how the hearts 255 and minds in the wonderfully progressive Stumptown USA are developing ... 256 the chick who dumps her Alzheimers-afflicted father at some race track 257 in Idaho after stealing his social security check is from HERE??? 258 259 Or was I hearing things ... guess I'll go down and get the morning paper. 260 But if it's true, I'm sure she must have come up Somewhere Else and was Here 023=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:44 Msg:7191 Call:40526 Lines:2 261 because We're So Nice (just ask Imagemaker Marj Kerr, from PPS' Public Info 262 024=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 05:55 Msg:7192 Call:40527 Lines:3 263 Dept). But if you subscribe to the latest Bad Parent/Dysfunctional Family 264 theories currently crammed down our throats by ever-so righteous psycholo- 265 gists/sociologist/school district executives-board members I suppose it could 025=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 07:35 Msg:7193 Call:40528 Lines:2 266 be rationalized that the Friggin SOB most probably Deserved It. 267 026=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 08:12 Msg:7194 Call:40530 Lines:8 268 269 And in another self-administered attempt at ChemoTherapy, I think I shall 270 call THIS WEEK and demand a correction is the typically slick method of 271 blameplacing. From newspaper accounts, I believe it was originally an 272 esteemed Board member that first used the Dark Ages/Wasteland analogy in 273 274 public press conferences. 275 027=Usr:708 Dustin Mills 03/25/92 09:19 Msg:7195 Call:40531 Lines:6 276 277 But looking on the bright side, I'm glad Supt. Prophet has decided to 278 stay in Portland and possibly hold the APP-types to their hypocrisy and 279 bigotry. I think with all the positive things he has done, he could have 280 some real leverage in getting things done. Then he can allow Hardvard 281 or some other Ivy League Institution *really* utilize his talents. 028=Usr:131 THE VISION 03/26/92 06:00 Msg:7196 Call:40538 Lines:9 282 283 ____________________________T H E V I S I O N______________________________ 284 Hi all! Haven't been on for a while; just checking in. Wow, this place has 285 really changed. For the better or worse, I won't say. All this stuff is 286 frankly very boring to me, so I just skip it! :) I am wondering where 287 AD An Astral Dreamer is...if you are out there AD, please leave me e-mail! 288 Well, I guess I will talk to you all later. See Ya! :) 289 ____________________________________________________________________________ 290 029=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/26/92 13:40 Msg:7197 Call:40553 Lines:4 291 292 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO Sometimes it's absolutely TERRIFYING what They'll do. 293 So much energy (and money) covering up coverups. 294 030=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/26/92 22:26 Msg:7198 Call:40559 Lines:9 295 &*&*&*&*'s 296 Here I am. Back for another brief visit. SC, people ain't perfect. They 297 also ain't nearly as evil as you make them out to be. 298 299 TV, I'm here. Just moved. Still writting songs. 300 301 An Astral Dreamer 302 &*&*&*&*'s (Two halves to every story. Neither one true.) 303 031=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 01:48 Msg:7200 Call:40562 Lines:4 304 305 So the LA ambulance attendant testified Rodney King was "still resisting" 306 'cause he kept turning his head and spitting up blood ...' 307 032=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 05:06 Msg:7201 Call:40563 Lines:20 308 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 309 STAGNATION: The forces in nature are in a stae of perfect and undiscrimina- 310 ting impasse. THere is no responsive action between things and nothing 311 productive can be accomplished. The natural order that nourishes and fosters 312 all things is disjointed and disunited. The lines of communication are down. 313 Because of this there is no understanding of what is needed and growth 314 cannot continue. When growth stops, STAGNATION begins. Any useful insights 315 or ideas you may have will be met with apathy and rejection. The atmosphere 316 is unreceptive even to altruistic and unselfish energies. Whether you vol- 317 unteer the whole of your resources to a worthwhile social cause, you can 318 accomplish nothing. STAGNATION is a reservoir of arbitrary and absurd 319 misunderstandings. STAGNATION produces an ambiance of decay and decadance. 320 Inferior persons and ideas can rise t positions of great influence. The 321 political andsocial environment can become corrupt indeed and there is 322 little a person of principle can do to turn the tide. Leaders are not in 323 touch withthe people whom they lead, and social systems become irrelevant. 324 The people become lost in a labyrinth of discordant purpose and are filled 325 with mistrust. Things come to a standstill and people, therefore, cannot 326 be helped. 327 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 033=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 05:51 Msg:7202 Call:40564 Lines:4 328 329 THEY've got WRITTEN proof of sexism ... I just don't have $75,000 to 330 PROVE it. 331 034=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 08:15 Msg:7203 Call:40566 Lines:8 332 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 333 334 It wasn't just Sylvia who always had to leave the lunchroom in tears 335 because Eleanor gave her such a bad time, Susan Larson (herself) left 336 our building in tears after only an hour meeting with our staff (pri- 337 marily from Eleanor, I would guess) and Susan went right to Carlos and 338 made him make "Them" apologize. 339 035=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 10:33 Msg:7204 Call:40567 Lines:14 340 ||||||||||||||| 341 342 Interesting timing, I would say, the article about district "squirmishes" 343 and all. THE NWREL study tactics sound so familiar. I think they even 344 got some special award the year of that study, presented by a Kathy Aims, 345 So I turn on my TV this AM and what've we got ... NWREL. An inspiring 346 program (looks like one of those well-ventilated conference rooms where 347 it's a real battle to stay awake) and sounds like a real "strategic" plan. 348 Since "central office" will still maintain "control" on "personnel", I 349 wonder who's responsible if you get a school administrator like Dan Klee?? 350 I suppose the "goals" will also be dictated by some computer "test," huh. 351 And guess what??? Lincoln and Wilson's goal will always require so much 352 more money, huh. And with biannual school administrator musical-chair 353 036=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 11:12 Msg:7205 Call:40568 Lines:2 354 switches, makes for good "relationships" and even better "culpability." 355 037=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/27/92 12:44 Msg:7206 Call:40570 Lines:18 356 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 357 358 I guess that is just another one of those coincidences, though, about 359 Cassandra and all because when our department was first getting computers, 360 I met was asked to meet w/Cassandra and Paul to show them the kind of work 361 I do, you know ... 'cause I'd used WordStar for two years already. See, 362 most of my work was columns and columns on WS was much like a video game, 363 which you can't play very well if you're interrupted every two minutes, 364 you know. So anyway I had been shown WordPerfect, but I'd also mentioned 365 the Macs Reed had donated to the district and Cassandra said they'd gone 366 to Wilson ... the Science Dept. she Said, but probably Rob Melton got one 367 'cause he's such a pro now and all (that's not sarcastic, BTW ... he's 368 gotten national awards). See stuff on the Mac looked typeset even back 369 then and they did graphics and all. But WordPerfect was too, and we cudda 370 saved $250 per program over WS but.... 371 372 well, you know ... 373 038=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 13:47 Msg:7207 Call:40578 Lines:3 374 SO HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING? 375 ENTER 376 039=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 14:48 Msg:7208 Call:40581 Lines:1 377@C 040=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/28/92 14:53 Msg:7209 Call:40582 Lines:4 378@AND I ALSO NEED A PRINTER. 379 SO WOLD YOU SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO?. 380 381 041=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:50 Msg:7210 Call:40595 Lines:4 382 ATE1 S7=60 S11=55 1X1 S0=0 383 384 ? 385 ATDT2301041 042=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:54 Msg:7211 Call:40596 Lines:3 386 ATE1 S7=60 S11=55 V1 X1 S0=0 387 ATDT2301041 388 ? 043=Usr:700 SYMORE DEEF 03/29/92 10:58 Msg:7212 Call:40597 Lines:52 389 390 I have an INTEL 386 DX 25 motherbad ith simm's, Board No. 391 AA 455754-006, from a 302 system. 392 I was in the middle of writing a letter when it locked up. 393 CTL,ALT,DEL ddnthing, I powered it down, and when I power 394 it up I get 3 bep,ten 2 beeps, then 4 beeps (sometimes). A 395 couple of times Igtadisplay on the screen of; 396 Shutdown Failure 397 Keybor alure 398 Keyboard Controller Failure 399 Time of Day Clock tpe 400 Ivalid Configuration Information 401 Please run setup procedure 402 Time of dynt set, please run setup 403 It does not get to a point wher tties to load. 404 I took it to a dealer, he replaced the kyor controller 405 chip with one from another dead Intel 386, no ep he keyboard 406 works on another computer. The power supply voltages are good. 407 I unplugged the disk drive controller, no help. 408 ae about 20 calls to Intel, they refused to help me. 409 They wudnt furnish schematics, or service information. They 410 would repair it for $538.00. Whatajk, I can buy a new one 411 for less. 412 Does anyone out there have a shmtc, service information, 413 or suggestions. 414 Takyu. 415 Symore 416 417 /S 418 /S 419  420 Federal Communications Commission, 421 Washington, D.C. 422 I am writing this letter in regard to the translator 423 application for local television service for Bay City, Oregon. 424 The Federal Government has an opportunity here to help low, 425 and fixed income fmles, without it costing the government any 426 money. A higher pretge of the people that live in, and around 427 Bay City, are rtrd seasonal, or low income, then those that 428 live in other aeso Oregon. These people need the local news, 429 and weather, especially the weather reprsi this area. And 430 because of their age their entertainmen ed are not as great as 431 provided by cable. 432 Twenty two dollars ot is very much a hardship for many of 433 these people. 434 Please approve the translator on Mt. Hebo. 435 Thank you. 436 Sincerely, 437 Symore Deef 438 439 /S 440 044=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/29/92 11:09 Msg:7213 Call:40598 Lines:16 441 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Sorry, more stray thoughts ... one of these days 442 I'll focus ... promise. But abot this site-based management (there was 443 a letter to the editor about this today), I was flipping thru the cable 444 stations and came upon that ever-so-inspiration Texas(armpitoftheWorld)- 445 based education station and they were talking about the wonders of this 446 "system," trying to dispel complains that there was more bureaucracy than 447 ever and that the principal was either processing paperwork or out of the 448 building in "meetings." And they were saying that yes, for the first 449 five years it may "seem" that way (ha), but it evens out after that. But 450 with PPS already shoving "accountability" (ha ha) on to the unions, who 451 have no obligations other than to collect obligatory dues and make sure 452 you're paid just enough w/Strings Attached with "bad parents" equally as 453 culpable, this new "management" system seems to look like another 454 burlesque (like the Grant Cluster travesty or the Dan Klee incident ... or 455 my case w/PFT-CE/PPS/Board of Education/Cascade Counseling/etc. 456 045=Usr:611 delta five 03/30/92 00:23 Msg:7216 Call:40606 Lines:9 457 [*=*] DELTA FIVE [*=*] My first book, "Don't Bug Me" on the subject of electron 458 ic surveillance was released by Paladin Press a few weeks ago. Mayhaps some wil 459 remember me some years ago in the 'NET' stories; Leroy McKane and all that. 460 Wassir, are you still around, you friendly Albanian? Has anyone ever heard from 461 John, 'Dreamtoucher;? Would be nice to hear from him. I am SSPY@darkside.com on 462 USENET. 463 save 464 s 465 help 046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/30/92 08:43 Msg:7218 Call:40608 Lines:26 466 &*&*&*&*'s 467 SC, what do you really know aboutte CAT system? Sounds like next to 468 nothing to me. (BW is SOW, Iain't that fast a tpist, and its losing 469 characters.) 470 471 Your perceptions and reality ofeen seem to differ. This is hardy 472 unique to you alas. Bt it is disturbing to me none the less. 473 474 You go on and on about the teribe things tha the district did to you. 475 I have no knowledge of this, so I can in knw way judg the 476 veracity of your claims. However, whn you start taking abou things 477 that I do know abou, I inevitably notice major incuracies. 478 479 You seem to be the sort o person who holds a grudge forever. It seems 480 to me tht these grudges color your perceptions in a major way. This 481 is at best counterproductive to you caue, as people seriously doubt 482 your veracity. 483 484 Of course, I do't know why I bther as you neer seem to read the board. You 485 just bury us in yourendless stream of conciousness stories of the 486 past. 487 488 An Atral Dreamer 489 &*&*&*&*'s (Blah, I type to fast.) 490 491 (An can't spell) 047=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 03/31/92 20:15 Msg:7219 Call:40624 Lines:3 492@PLEASE EXPLAIN INVALID PARAMETER? 493@I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS A HIGHER 494@SECURTY LEVEL I CAN GO TO ON THIS SYSTEM. 048=Usr:322 Stray Cat 03/31/92 20:43 Msg:7220 Call:40625 Lines:16 495 496 ((((((((((((((((((((((((( I just can't stop ... these things just fester. 497 498 Know what I mean???? I was just thinking about the "program" on site 499 management I caught the end of the other day, with NWREL's Dr. Wrobert 500 Wrath. He kept flashing all these printed overheads he was preaching 501 from, and at the very end of the sermon, he told 'em he had copies of 502 all of them. Well, why the heck didn't he hand them out to start so 503 everyone could take their notes with the aid of the outline? Educational 504 researchers. I got the impression he was saying the only responsibility 505 of Curriculum would be The Framework ... which reminded me of my surprise 506 that both Evaluation & Curriculum directors lost their Asst. Supt. status 507 last year. I wudda thought they'da put Evaluation UNDER Curriculum to get 508 a better balance. But that's just My Humble Opinion, Off the Top or From 509 on the Bottom, whichever . 510 049=Usr:322 Stray Cat 04/01/92 05:43 Msg:7222 Call:40628 Lines:45 511 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOM Hi guys, I'm back again! MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO 512 513 And like the NWREL studies, I've always wondered how much the reclassifi- 514 cation of classified personnel ended up costing over the years of evalua- 515 tion, re-evaluation, and re-evaluation of the re-evalusations. Up front 516 that is. I know the REAL cost could never really be calculated, what 517 with all the meetings the union held with employees during work time and 518 all helping employees "add" things to otheir job descriptions to make it 519 sound more high-falutin and meetings to explain why everybod but the 520 executive-administrative classified staff came out so low (I think they 521 were finally just removed from "classified" status and don't have to pay 522 into the "union" system ... that's how that one was solved, I think). 523 Even though I didn't attend the meetings (actually I wasn't invited 524 because even though I had to pay the obligatory dues, I didn't, like 525 many other classified staffers, officially "join"), another secretary 526 gave me the information they were circulating, which were the evaluations 527 and re-evaluations of secretaries who'd been classified higher. I guess 528 what our department was supposed to do is just insert nice-sounding 529 rhetoric from those into our re-evaluated re-evaluations. But I remember, 530 too, that those secretaries who felt they'd been royally screwed over, we 531 allowed to do the usual musical-chair switches that were against union 532 contract. Of course, I was ineligible because Personnel felt I was un- 533 transferrable because I'd made complaints about a former dysfunctional 534 office even though the union told me, when they wanted to settle my four 535 year-old grievances strictly thru Dr. Taylor (without hearings), that I 536 was "the best 'computer-operator' in the district" (a point upon which I 537 immediately corrected them ... not only because I didnt have the hard- 538 ware or software to be able to make any progress, but I knew that the 539 entire Maintenance Department secretarial crew, for one, was totally 540 excellent and enthusiastic. 541 542 In one work-time meeting I *did* attend, I *did* ask Randi if it would 543 not have made more sense to rewrite PPS job descriptions first, before 544 all the baloney was added, so that classified staff could expand on those 545 duties from there. TO start adding items like "budget forecasting" seems 546 out of the realm of responsibility *and* "culpability/accountability" for 547 a mere secretary, just as "making appointments" for five separate TSAs 548 (and making sure to remind them of their meetings .. making *me* account- 549 able) as demanded by Susan Larsen in the illegal meetings held in my 550 department for the good part of a year. Even though she stated "her 551 secretary" made "her appointments," when I tried to make an appt w/Susan 552 I was told it was "impossible" to keep someone else's "calendar," 553 554 555 Blather on .... it's all become so complicated because nothing was DONE. 050=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 08:34 Msg:7223 Call:40630 Lines:21 556 557 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO If nothing else, it SHOULD prove interesting ... MO MO 558 559 After reading this AM's paper, noting the reference to "the hearings 560 process," I become even more suspicious. But to state this whole thing 561 came about because of the BUF strike, seems insulting ... but the typical 562 twisted MO I've always seemed to witness in my now 12-year association w/ 563 district officialdom. Since Marshall was cited as an exemplary worksite 564 by NWREL as part of their initial "study," why weren't they chosen as a 565 part of the "pilot project" I wonder to myself? or as *The* pilot project?? 566 We might have been assured of some integrity. But it also seems amazing 567 about the timing. Now that the re-evaluations of the re-evaluated re-eval- 568 uations are done and new job descriptions formed on that basis to add 569 numerous specific and impossible "accountabilities" to the already vague 570 "anything within reason" (which OFT states is anything short of being 571 asked to jump out a second-story window or some such thing ... according 572 to State Statute) and the new probably equally as inane 4-year "Contract" 573 has been signed off, seems almost diabolical to change the entire dynamics 574 of the positions/classifications upon which all this nonsense is based. 575 But Who am I to say? You know .... 576 051=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 10:01 Msg:7224 Call:40631 Lines:6 577 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Weird or what ... the "general public" can't call PFT-CE 578 with general questions like "did classified employees vote on the site- 579 based management plan" without having their attorney call PFT-CE's attorney, 580 Michael Jordan. I thought OFT toldme the other day that was illegal. Oh 581 well, at least I told her I thought it was funny the new addition of "my 582 052=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 10:08 Msg:7225 Call:40632 Lines:1 583 attorney." Last time I talked to him I could call Mr. Jordan direct. 053=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 12:36 Msg:7226 Call:40633 Lines:21 584 ************************* 585 And in Other Interesting Developments, at the inspiration of a BBSr on 586 another Board I became obsessed with a wildflower planting for the right 587 of way in front of my house, and figuring it's the least they could do, 588 called the city to see if I could have some of their seed. That was three 589 days ago, and I got nothing BUT help from them ... immediate help as a 590 matter of fact. And they even called back 2x to my 1 call. So today, I 591 hear what sounds like a backhoe (the Another "New Development" type of 592 sound, yaknow) so I investigate and what's happening out here IS .... on 593 the land COP "stole" from Mary Montague for backtaxes after she was widowed, 594 you know, they're gonna make into a wildflower test garden!!!! How neat and 595 what a coincidence. Only one problem, as I can see it, WHAT access are 596 they gonna use??? There's no roads in there and the unpaved roads in front 597 of our houses is like 20' wide. If they're gonna bring hoardes of "strem 598 snitch" kids thru here, they're gonna wanna improve the access somehow. And 599 I'm sure we all want the traffic down here. And I also wonder why immediate 600 neighborhoods are not informed of these things. Oh well, it still sounds 601 nice. Sure seemed like a fire hazard, teen hangout, and being two blocks 602 off Barbur *and* the freeways to Everywhere, a right fine (and known) camp 603 for transients. 604 054=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 12:55 Msg:7227 Call:40634 Lines:4 605 606 I think the least they should do is name the site the Mary Montague Test 607 Gardens, though. 608 055=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 13:15 Msg:7228 Call:40635 Lines:9 609 610 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I realize this IS April Fool's but BAM ... 611 another klingler to make my day. Environmental Services just showed up 612 to check the rifraff the city put in the ditch they dug thru my property 613 and lo and beehold, the news is that the engineer from hell we were rooked 614 by has now left USA in Washington County and is a new member of the COP 615 staff. I think I'll have to get busy with my History of Citadel Estates 616 I threatened to write. 617 056=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 13:20 Msg:7229 Call:40636 Lines:10 618 619 I suppose I should also update the small book I submitted to the Mayor's 620 office regarding the problems we've encountered out here since the Civil 621 War started BY the city. A couple of months ago, I coincidentally ran 622 into a neighbor (I didn't even KNOW he was a neighbor when I started 623 talking to him at this bazaar in Tualatin ... he lives a couple of blocks 624 away but his brother in law lives right up the street) that has even more 625 dirt about Citadel ... something about actually having to move an already 626 constructed, just-purchased house because of improper boundaries. 627 057=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/01/92 14:32 Msg:7230 Call:40638 Lines:4 628 629 .... or maybe it should be called "The Widow Montague" Memorial Gardens 630 to commemorate this kind of ethics, morality, and politics. 631 058=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/01/92 14:50 Msg:7231 Call:40639 Lines:9 632 &*&*&*&*'s 633 Putting research and evaluation under curiculam would be like putting the 634 police internal affairs people under the jurisdiction of the cops on the 635 street. Ever here of accountability? You go on and on about it all the 636 time. To bad you don't grasp it. 637 638 An Astral Dreamer 639 &*&*&*&*'s 640 059=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 06:54 Msg:7233 Call:40642 Lines:10 641 642 ######################## And the plot thickens (and complicates) ... and 643 look WHO's say WHO is doing the backstabbing. PFT-CE is being challenged 644 once again!! I hope PAT is more SERIOUS this time. Maybe OSEA will enter 645 back into the proceedings this time. I guess I should try to focus on the 646 most horrible things PFT-CE/OFT/AFT did to me and present them in a "rat- 647 ional" manner. They should NEVER be allowed to do what they did to me to 648 another person ... ever. And the district *and* board should be stopped 649 from their terrorist and stonewalling nonsense. 650 060=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 19:52 Msg:7234 Call:40650 Lines:11 651 652 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I guess the City hiring Russ Lawrence confirms in my 653 own pea-brain my own personal theory that the whole East County hype was 654 probably a total fraud, used to make the $40 sewage rates a little more 655 "wholesome" seeming ... like maybe we're actually DOING something besides 656 just providing perks and free services for wealthy (greedy) developers. 657 But then that's just my humble opinion. What I do know for sure is that 658 Lee Klingler knows good and well just what kind of man he is ... or men 659 they are, whichever. And they'd better not be doing what they did at 660 Citadel. 661 061=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 21:31 Msg:7235 Call:40651 Lines:10 662 663 And Yikes! WOuldn't it be funny if the stressed music teacher featured 664 in The Oregonian whose psychologist "fixed everything" by telling him 665 he was suffering from dysfunctional family/parental rage syndrom was 666 the same teacher who was actually enduring sever harassment and humilia- 667 tion at the whims of Dan Klee? I can just hear it now, as Mr. Klee 668 slams the poor guy's yearly evaluation on the floor and stomps on it 669 are recites the district(board) credo, "it's not what HAS happened that's 670 relevant, but WILL happen (to your neck)..." or "it's 10% what's happened 671 062=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/02/92 21:40 Msg:7236 Call:40652 Lines:3 672 and 90% your reaction," or twisted it more succinctly "Control your re- 673 actions ... end of conversation: period." 674 063=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/03/92 07:28 Msg:7237 Call:40657 Lines:11 675 ???? Of course, Hosford's woe could show to go that site-based management 676 *COULD* also work, if there WAS proper balance between management/board/ 677 unions, since the community and too few courageous teachers did have the 678 integrity of conviction to go beyond fears of stonewalled responses and 679 police state reprisals. And it *did* point to the Board's typical response 680 to problems, which always causes further complication beyond imagination. 681 But to have Both the admin & board state (among other things) it was all 682 "only a Personnel matter" and of "concern" only to and by Personnel, in my 683 humble opinion, goes right to the core of the Complication <- which is the 684 THeme of the PPS Board "guidelines/mission statement" publication. 685 064=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/03/92 08:00 Msg:7238 Call:40658 Lines:9 686 687 The way the whole things WAS handled, though, put Everybody concerned in 688 what Should Have Been a simple complaint process, in a True Lurch <- which 689 seemed to be the Theme of the 5-page double-spaced "script" PFT-CE/OFT 690 prepared for My "Hearings" process <-<- which, in actually was an ordeal 691 by water, of which a book Should Be Written ... and which should 692 definitely be "Looked Into" is this is, as Wrobert Wrath said, to be the 693 major problem-solving tool under his researched site-based management plan. 694 065=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/03/92 09:48 Msg:7239 Call:40659 Lines:8 695 696 &&&&&&&&&&&&& And Aint it Amazing Babies, the new Twist to the Dominion 697 Travesty (it still sounds too much like Dominique to me). I wonder if 698 the N. Portlanders involved were Really informed of the risks involved 699 in COP lawyer-MO "interference." Is this another typical networked 700 "bureaucratic" Lurch??? It'll be interesting to see What Happens Now. 701 I wonder how kids survive this kind of stress and parental humiliation. 702 066=Usr:610 Peace 04/06/92 19:00 Msg:7242 Call:40698 Lines:82 703 704 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ peace $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 705 706 My turn. Fasten your seatbelts kids. This is a heck of a story, because it's 707 true. 708 709 Six mnths ago I gave up trying to find a real job in Portland and went back to 710 delivering pizzas. Finances were extremely ticght from being unemployed for 711 far too long. I hooked up a second job with temp service. So I was slamming 712 from one job into the next with out room to breathe or think, when I saw 713 someone I knew out of the corner of my eye. That's what I thought, anyway. 714 715 Tuns out not to be my long lost friend but someone who looks remarkably alike. 716 I began to think he might make a good love interest, but soon found out that 717 he was afamily man. Four and a half years of marriage and two kids. So, I 718 started to think he'd be a great friend. We were both working two jobs and 719 time for friendship was scarce, but we managed. 720 721 Then he said it. "I've bee thinking about the 'D' word." I nearly wrecked 722 the car I was driving at the time. I knew his marriage was rocky at best, 723 and that it had been from the start. I had occassionally wished that he 724 were available, but had NOT expected this! 725 726 We continued to see each other as "friends" but we both knew that much more 727 was waiting to break from just beneath the surface. Barely remembering 728 right from wrong, we spent many hours together instead of sleeping. 729 730 The Christms season approached and I left Oregon for a week to go home to Mom. 731 While there, she offered to pay off ALL debts and send m through college, IF 732 I agreed to move home for at least 2 years. I didn't know what to say. I 733 *loved* Oregon, but Ihad no future there the way things were going. I decided 734 to say OK. 735 736 When I arrived back in Oregon, "he" met me at the airport. He'd jut moved out 737 of the slimey little house his family called home. We had a place to be and he 738 was on his way to a divorce. (The aforemetioned "d" word) So we did what 739 came naturally and turned loose what we had suppressed for so long. We lived 740 almost inseperably for about two weeks. Then his housemate returned. 741 742 Finally, I talked him into giving his marriage another try. I met his wife, 743 and I acted as a marriage counselor to both of them. Then I took a look at 744 what I was doing, realized I was working very hard in the opposite direction 745 from what I wanted most, and quit. He was back with his family, I'd done 746 the right thing. There was no need to torture myself further. I tried to go 747 on with my life. 748 749 He stopped by my pizza place during his lunch hours, and called me almost 750 every day. There was something mssing. As if the life was being sucked out 751 of him, he looked "monotone". I asked if this was what he really wanted, and 752 if he was happy with his life. He assured me that he was fine. I nodded and 753 turned back to my work. 754 755 Some days later, on a dark and stormy night, I sat in the living room of 756 a friend's apartment. The phone rang. It was my last BF's new GF calling to 757 announce their engagement. I felt suddenly that everyone in the world was 758 falling in lov and getting married and leaving me alone. I excused myself, 759 and sat in my car crying. Finally, I headed home, where a wonderful house 760 mate handed me a glass of wine and told me not to worry about it. 761 762 Leaving my home to give another friend a ride south that evening, there was 763 yet another car that looked like "his" coming toward me from the other side 764 of the intersection. In the rain it even looked like th car flickered its 765 lights at me. Iwas in teh middle of telling myself not to be so folish, when 766 the offending vehicle turned through a red light in front of me and onto a 767 side street. The light turned green and I began to pull away, when someone 768 got out of the car and began to chase me. I stopped. It was him. 769 770 I openned the car door. When I asked him what he was doing, he said, "Looking 771 for you! I've looked everywhere; called all your friends, I've driven to all 772 your usuall places. I've been worried sick. What's wrong?" 773 774 I told him what had gotten me so upset, and we discussed the strangeness of 775 his being aware of my desire to see him. At that moment, I believe, we gave 776 in to our feelings for each other. So glad to have found each other again, we 777 said "to hell with ethics" and acted in our own best interests. 778 779 Later that evening, when we had picked up my friend who wanted a ride, I said " 780 "If life continues to be like this, I'm going to quit." 781 782 I'll tell you the rst later... 783 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ peace $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 784 067=Usr:530 Jessie a. 04/08/92 05:56 Msg:7244 Call:40712 Lines:6 785 *!*!*!*!*!*!*! 786 Peaceyou sound like you are in a lot of pain. You have our ear. And I'm 787 sorry to know you hurt and got hurt. This place can be a filthy place at 788 times. Lots of people know hurt. Sound off with whatever you need to. 789 Support you've got 790 Jessie 068=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 04/10/92 17:40 Msg:7246 Call:40734 Lines:3 791 ------------------------------------------------------------- 792 Gosh, I hope that things will work out ok. 793 --------------------------------------------- 069=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 04/11/92 19:47 Msg:7248 Call:40746 Lines:3 794 C 795 796 070=Usr:417 TREVOR MACY 04/12/92 20:03 Msg:7249 Call:40760 Lines:6 797 DLS 798 799 800 CC 801 802 071=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/13/92 05:59 Msg:7250 Call:40762 Lines:15 803 MOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMOMO 804 Interesting comment by Phil Keisling about educational malpractice. Now 805 that I have an absolutely CLASSIC letter of Board Member Turner (also a 806 social worker/psycholigist at PSU) that reflects to a T exactly what I 807 was trying to point out to the entire Board about executive behavior/ 808 attitudes .... all of which SHOULD constitute educational malpractice. 809 Funny thing that Lauri should be working for him, what with her long- 810 time association with the district/board/whatever. Then, too, with the 811 article on Jerry Wilson in the same Sunday Forum section, it dawned on 812 me that the school board now seems to be all made up of lawyers and 813 "power" company concerns (one both <-grin> with one developer thrown in. 814 But I wonder why the Wilson article didn't mention activities prior to 815 Soloflex that most probably "enabled" him/them to "start" w/so much 816 capital. 817 M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M)M))M)M)M)M)M)M)M))M)M)M)M)M 072=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/13/92 19:13 Msg:7251 Call:40774 Lines:3 818 819 o o 820 -------------------""---U---""--------------------Ma Kilroy was here --- 073=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 04/17/92 18:56 Msg:7252 Call:40806 Lines:1 821 CBYE 074=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/18/92 10:36 Msg:7253 Call:40810 Lines:12 822 &*&*&*&*'s 823 Thing that doesn't annoy me. Being let go at the end of the year because 824 Measure five caused another 15% cut in the Research and evaluation dept. 825 budget. (On top of a %10 cut last year.) 826 827 Thing that does annoy me. Getting my hours cut in half because the head 828 of the department is running scared. And I was one of the lucky ones. 829 The physcal year doesn't even end till june. 830 831 An Astral Dreamer 832 &*&*&*&*'s (Looking for a job in the real world.) 833 075=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 04/20/92 05:30 Msg:7254 Call:40821 Lines:9 834 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 835 Astral- 836 There is no such thing as the real world any more. I work in the private 837 sector, where it seems that long term planning is next quarter, and a short 838 term problem is a signal to absolute panic. So far, I have a job. As a 839 matter of fact, I have three people's jobs. :) 840 Keep looking. 841 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][[][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 842 076=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/20/92 07:38 Msg:7255 Call:40822 Lines:8 843 &*&*&*&*'s 844 Friar, thats interesting. Sounds just like what they are always criticizing 845 on TV. The US just can't seem to compete because we can't look more than 846 one querter into the future. Thats life I guess. 847 848 An Astral Dreamer 849 &*&*&*&*'s (Heading for a depression of a differant sort) 850 077=Usr:706 STEVEN PITTMAN 04/20/92 17:10 Msg:7256 Call:40823 Lines:1 851 WILL MISS HIM. 078=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/21/92 12:27 Msg:7257 Call:40841 Lines:7 852 &*&*&*&*'s 853 Well, they cut another 190000. Looks like the stupid political games 854 didn't work. Life sucks, but the alternative is a lot worse. 855 856 An Astral Dreamer 857 &*&*&*&*'s 858 079=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/22/92 05:39 Msg:7258 Call:40848 Lines:15 859 860 oo 861 --------------""---u---""---------------the nose is outta joint but I 862 aint gonna correct it, because it would be impossible anyway. But I 863 called in cause I thought I mighta SMELLED another rat (after reading 864 yesterday's paper). Is this yet another PPS Strings Attached Shenanigan 865 or what ... with the Board and all? Maybe there IS something to term 866 limitations. How long's Rieke been on the Board, and his Mother right 867 before that? Now might be a good time to take Griffith up on his offer 868 to look into my matter. I could include my newest insult in the mess. 869 Or maybe I should wait for the new superintendent, whose already seems 870 to have been "enabled" to start off on the wrong foot. 871 872 But did I hear Peter Jennings say the othe day there's a new trend to 873 do away with school boards? 080=Usr:719 Kilroy : 04/22/92 07:47 Msg:7259 Call:40851 Lines:13 874 875 And who WAS that wonder "volunteer" for PPS on Ch2 news last night? As, 876 usual, I wasn't quite listening (because they tend to bug me) and I looked 877 over and thought it was Carol Turner in our face again. And since this is 878 a drug she seemed to be "pushing" on me when I had a little visit with her 879 (along with running for a school board position, like they musta told Ron 880 Herndon according to the Snoregonian), leads me to believe there's some 881 kind of inbreeding here. Actually, I took it as a compliment that she 882 thought I should volunteer to work with the kids because it kinds contra- 883 dicts every reason they all originally said I shouldn't be working for the 884 district in the first place. Anyway, the "chick" on the news sure looked 885 like Ms. Turner, like she was a sister or something. 886 081=Usr:95 Josh Baumgartner 04/26/92 12:01 Msg:7260 Call:40882 Lines:2 887 ------ NEW BBS planned for MAY; "The Eagle's Nest" @ 643-xxxx 888 Keep tuned for more info 082=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 04/26/92 21:43 Msg:7261 Call:40891 Lines:71 889 **************************************************************** 890 The Portuguese were well aware of the curvature of the earth. 891 In fact it was a very pressing problem at the time. They had 892 been making longer and longer explorations down the coast of 893 Africa. This caused them problems because the standard 894 navigational method at the time was rather crude. It consisted 895 of sighting on the North Star which told them how far down the 896 coast they were. The problem was that they were begining to 897 lose it as a reference as they approached the equator. They 898 needed very much to come up with a new navigation system that 899 was not dependant upon such a limited view point. They were 900 using the latitude/longitude system already, as laid out in 901 Ptolemy's Geographica. All they really needed was a better 902 system to know the latitude and longitude they were at. 903 At the time, they were navigating in the southern Atlantic 904 using a combination of the sun and the North Star. 905 When they ran into a "large landmass" to the west they knew 906 that it was something new. That's why Portuguese is spoken 907 today on the Eastern side of South America. 908 When Chris C. sailed off to try to find the new spice route 909 to Japan, he carried with him a copy of Toscanelli's map which 910 showed him how to get there. The map was created from a 911 combination of information that Toscanelli had put together from 912 a multitude of sources, including the efforts of the Portuguese 913 and Marco Polo. Toscanelli's main input was that instead of 914 labeling the area "Terra Incognita" (unknown lands) as Ptolemy 915 of Alexandria did, Toscanelli projected that there was 6500 miles 916 of ocean there (based on the information he got from the Portuguese. 917 He based that on the knowlege of the curvature of the Earth being 918 about 75 miles per degree at the equator, and calculating from 919 that based on the land mass that was currently known. His main 920 error came from the incorrect size that Macro Polo had provided 921 about the size of the Asian continent. 922 In 1440 Cardinal Nicholas wrote his Reconciliation of Opposites. 923 In it he wrote; "If the universe is infinite then the Earth in not 924 necessarily, or even possibly at the centre. And if that is so, 925 the Earth may well be circling the Sun. It is only the viewpoint 926 of the observer as he stands on the Earth that makes him think 927 it the centre of the universe. The same would be true of anybody 928 standing on the Moon or on any one of the stars and planets there 929 might be in the universe. And if everything were relative to 930 everything else, the only way to know where you were on the Earth 931 or on a planet, would be to measure the 'elsewhere'." 932 As you can see, the argument at the time was not whether the 933 Earth was flat or round, but rather whether the Earth was circling 934 the Sun or the Sun circled the Earth. With the Earth circling the 935 Sun becoming the favored belief by those with sufficent knowledge. 936 Interestingly, the discovery of the Americas did a lot to change 937 that belief. Since the Bible made no mention of the American 938 continent, it put to question the completeness of truth as revealed 939 in the Bible. It wasn't until the 1500's when Copernicus wrote his 940 "Little Commentary", which later was published as "On the Revolution 941 of the Celestial Spheres." That the argument became heated public 942 debate. 943 The issue of the Earth being flat or round was nothing by contrast 944 to the issue over whether the earth moved and that it was not the 945 center of the universe. Aristotle had said two thousand years before 946 that the Earth was a sphere. "Because that was a perfect shape and 947 because its shadow could be seen on the moon." 948 The issue of movement and universal centering though was much more 949 of a difficult hurdle to overcome. The Bible stated flat out that the 950 Earth did not move "The world is established that it cannot be moved." 951 This is why the wierd and bizzare orbital patterns for the planets and 952 the Sun existed for so long. It was an attempt to force the Biblical 953 account to fit with observed fact. Essentially, Copernicus said; 954 "I don't care whether the Earth moves or not by Biblical account. 955 What I care about is that the math works out. Pope Gregory then used 956 the "new math" to revise the calandar in 1582 to the form that we 957 use today. 958 ****************************************************************** 959 083=Usr:3 Ramek 04/26/92 21:57 Msg:7262 Call:40892 Lines:36 960 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 961 962 I went to sleep with gum in my mouth and now there's gum in my hair and when 963 I got out of bed this morning I tripped on the skateboard and by mistake I 964 dropped my sweater in the sink while the water was running and I could tell 965 it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day... 966 967 I think I'll move to Australia... 968 969 At school Mrs. Dickens liked Paul's picture of the sailboat better than my 970 picture of the invisible castle. 971 At singing time she said I sang too loud. At counting time she said I left 972 out sixteen. Who needs sixteen? 973 I could tell it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. 974 ...we went to the shoestore to buy some sneakers. Anthony chose white ones 975 with blue stripes. Nick chose red ones with white stripes. I chose blue ones 976 with red stripes but then the shoe man said, We're all sold out. They 977 made me buy plain old white ones, but they can't make me wear them. 978 When we picked up dad at his office he said I couldn't play with his copy 979 machine, but I forgot. He also said to watch out for the books on his desk, 980 and I was as careful as could be except for my elbow. He also said don't 981 fool around with the phone, but I think I called Australia. My dad said 982 please don't pick him up anymore. 983 984 There were lima beans for dinner and I hate limas. 985 There was kissing on TV and I hate kissing. 986 My bath was too hot, I got soap in my eyes, my marble went down the drain, 987 and I had to wear my railroad-train pajamas. I hate my railroad-train 988 pajamas. 989 990 It has been a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. 991 My Mom says some days are like that...Even in Australia. 992 -Alexander 993 994 Carol said he'd probably shredded when I mentioned confidentiality) and 995 prepared herself with it during the time she couldn't meet with me.