From ai815@freenet.carleton.caMon Aug 21 11:11:12 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:32:36 -0500 From: Greg Erwin To: ry94ad@badger.ac.brocku.ca, apabel@prairienet.org, perfecto@pcnet.com, Eric.M.Kidd@Dartmouth.Edu, ftp@locust.cic.net, rblair@shl.com, hbcsc056@huey.csun.edu, tmwe@maths.nottingham.ac.uk, kmc9@cornell.edu, hammond@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu, timbo@frungy.cbr.fidonet.org, mc.wilson@auckland.ac.nz, PITT_I@summer.chem.su.oz.au, p01664@psilink.com Subject: March 1995 Nullifidian ########################################################### ########################################################### ______ / / / / / /__ __ / / ) (__ / / (__(__ __ |\ ( ) ) / / | \ | / / . _/_ . __ / . __ __ | \ | / / / / ) / ) / / ) __ ) / ) ) \| (__(__(___(__(__(___(__(__(__(__(__(__/ (__ =========================================================== *The*E-Zine*of*Atheistic*Secular*Humanism*and*Freethought** =========================================================== ############################################################ ###### Volume II, Number 3 ***A Collector's Item!***##### ################### ISSN 1201-0111 ####################### ####################### MAR 1995 ########################### ############################################################ nullifidian, n. & a. (Person) having no religious faith or belief. [f. med. L _nullifidius_ f. L _nullus_ none + _fides_ faith; see -IAN] Concise Oxford Dictionary The purpose of this magazine is to provide a source of articles dealing with many aspects of humanism. We are ATHEISTIC as we do not believe in the actual existence of any supernatural beings or any transcendental reality. We are SECULAR because the evidence of history and the daily horrors in the news show the pernicious and destructive consequences of allowing religions to be involved with politics and nationalism. We are HUMANISTS and we focus on what is good for humanity, in the real world. 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Gratuitous Insult from _This Magazine_, February 1995 =========================================================== || BEGINNING OF ARTICLE || =========================================================== >From a Quebec government pamphlet entitled "Full and equal rights whatever your religion": Under the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, every person is entitled to be treated equally, without discrimination or harassment. The Charter was adopted in 1975. Created under this fundamental law, the Commission des droits de la personne must: o promote an understanding of the Charter; o see that situations jeopardizing human rights and freedoms are corrected. The Charter forbids discrimination... "Every person has a right to full and equal recognition and exercise of his human rights and freedoms, without distinction, exclusion or preference based on race, colour, sex pregnancy, sexual orientation, civil status, age except as provided by law, religion, political convictions, language, ethnic or national origin, social condition, a handicap or the use af any means to palliate a handicap. Discrimination exists where such a distinction, exclusion or preference has the effect of nullifying or impairing such right." [Section 10] ..and harassment "No one may harass a person on the basis of any ground mentioned in section 10." [Section 10.1] DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RELIGION... This means.. that you are prevented from exercising a freedom or a right recognized in the Charter because of your religion or BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RELIGION [emphasis added] or because you do not practice a religion. ************************************************************ Just note that this was adopted, non-controversially, in 1975, and has been Quebec law since. No fundies marching in the street, no bishops denouncing it, no real controversy at all. I don't think they even bother to picket the abortion clinics here. I particularly liked the phrasing of the explanatory paragraph, which includes religion, absence of religion, or having a religion and refusing to practice it. Feel free to recommend it to your local legislature as a law which has been in existence for 20 years, without bringing on the collapse of civilization into moral chaos. ========================================================= || END OF ARTICLE || ========================================================= "If God exists, what objection can he have to saying so?" Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other Essays_ =========================================================== || BEGINNING OF ARTICLE || =========================================================== First published in the Washington Area Secular Humanists newsletter. --Taner-- A BUDDHIST CRITIQUE OF THE CHRISTIAN CONCEPT OF GOD Gunapala Dharmasiri; Golden Leaves, 1988 Early Buddhism incorporated a rejection of Hindu concepts of theism, with arguments similar in many cases to the Western philosophical atheism responding to Christianity. This book is a modern exposition of the Buddhist critique of classical Theism, relying extensively on the Western philosophical vocabulary, indeed almost the full range of atheistical arguments, and correlating this with the Pali canon. As a thorough attack on the God concept, it is comparable to excellent reference works such as Michael Martin's "Atheism: a Philosophical Justification," 1990, or J.L. Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism," 1982. However, the interest of such a book for humanists is beyond its uncompromising atheist nature. Saying: "The Buddha did not accept the existence of God. He also rejected the idea of a soul though he advocated the possibility of salvation," Dharmasiri defends an explicitly religious atheism. Indeed, his few passing references to humanism are decidedly negative. Among the factual claims made that most humanists would be skeptical of are the reality of reincarnation-- which sets the stage for salvation as extinction; and psychic powers---which provide a means to apprehend the reality of continual rebirth. But these differences are not all. Even with the remarkable similarity in the arguments rejecting the God concept, early Buddhism ends up with a significant difference in attitude compared to typical humanist approaches, which has ethical implications as well. Humanism claims to move beyond bare atheism in providing a outlook of life; though its success in this is dubious at best. A denial of theistic claims and attitudes constrains a philosophy of life but a little, and continually criticizing theism is but reactive. The early Buddhist views' different form of atheism is valuable in reminding humanists of this. It also helps us see, universalistic ambitions aside, how historically contingent our ethical-political philosophies are. Buddhism is revealed as bearing the stamp of its birth in a Hindu religious context; Western humanisms are similarly unintelligible without a history of Christianity. In short, I highly recommend this book for what it indirectly prompts humanists to think of, besides its determined and usually accurate criticism of the very fundamentals of Christianity. ========================================================= || END OF ARTICLE || ========================================================= "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fte des rois"] =========================================================== || BEGINNING OF ARTICLE || =========================================================== A series of quotes from Lemuel K. Washburn's _Is the Bible Worth Reading?_ originally published 1911, by Truth Seeker, made available to all electrontically by the Bank of Wisdom Box 926, Louisville, KY 40201 The book is everywhere interspersed with these delightful quotes. This article consists solely of those quotes. By the way, the answer to the book's question is "no". The cross everywhere is a dagger in the heart of liberty. A miracle is not an explanation of what we cannot comprehend. The statue of liberty that will endure on this continent is not the one made of granite or bronze, but the one made of love of freedom. Take away every achievement of the world and leave man freedom, and the earth would again bloom with every glory of attainment; but take away liberty and everything useful and beautiful would vanish. A dogma will thrive in soil where the truth could not get root. The measure of liberty which man enjoys determines the civilization of the age in which he lives. The person who can make a loaf of bread is more to the world than the person who could perform a miracle. The feet of progress have always been shod by doubt. A true man will not join anything that in any way abridges his freedom or robs him of his rights. The man who accepts the faith of Calvin is miserable in proportion to the extent he carries it out. Whatever tends to prolong the existence of ignorance or to prevent the recognition of knowledge is dangerous to the well-being of the human race. A higher respect for man has been one of the chief promoters of civilization. Advancement has always been toward right and truth when the ranks were imbued with a proper regard for human hearts and human happiness. FREETHOUGHT COMMANDS Say nothing about others that you would not have others say about you. Be severe toward yourself; be kind to your fellow-man. Do not give advice that you cannot follow. Do not thank God for what man does. Serve neither God nor Mammon, but humanity alone. Do not try to be perfect as a "Father in heaven," but try to be better than you yourself are. Seek first to improve the earth, and heaven will be of less consequence, Let us not forget that men speak according to the measure of their knowledge and light, and that a superior enlightenment is a higher authority. History shows that there is nothing so easy to enslave and nothing so hard to emancipate as ignorance, hence it becomes the double enemy of civilization. By its servility it is the prey of tyranny, and by its credulity it is the foe of enlightenment. There is greater argument in one fact than in all the creeds. It is easier to believe that a man is honest who says the Bible is the word of God than to believe that he is bright. The Bible upon which Christianity is founded does not say what Christianity is, what a Christian is, nor what we must do in order to be a Christian. There is no justifiable Christianity in this age. A dogma is the hand of the dead on the throat of the living. The progress of the world depends upon freedom of thought and freedom of utterance. If you can forgive the man who wronged you, the neighbor who slandered you and help the poor about you, you need not be particular about making any professions of righteousness If man had no knowledge except what he has got out of the Bible he would not know enough to make a shoe. The great work of man has ever been to rescue the present from the past; to turn the mind from what it has left behind to the opportunities and duties which are around it. For this has genius toiled down the ages, sung its song of love, carved its dream of beauty and whispered to the world's dull ear its bright message of hope. A true man is not troubled by anything but his own acts. The true man walks the earth as the stars walk the heavens, grandly obedient to those laws which are implanted in his nature. A great many people are afraid of knowledge, but we have seen hundreds of people that we thought would be improved if they knew more, but we have never seen one that we thought would be better if he knew less. You cannot stuff your minds with the lives of saints and grow good on the stuffing. Some persons are remembered solely for their virtues and others solely for their faults. This is why we have a Jesus and a Judas. When men are hungry roast mutton is better than the lamb that taketh away wrath. **** **** If a man can look in the mirror of his own soul without shame, he can look the whole world in the face without a blush. Civilization has come about by going to school more than to church. Nature is the volume from which all of our knowledge has been translated. Every fact is backed up by the whole universe. Christianity is a black spot on the page of civilization. The church is a bank that is continually receiving deposits but never pays a dividend. 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news.plexus.com: select() error while reading reply: Interrupted system call Jan 9 20:40:03 spruce nntplink[25033]: newsxfer.itd.umich.edu: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:03 spruce nntplink[25037]: news.plexus.com: togo Updated, 1473 articles queued Jan 9 20:40:04 spruce nntplink[25041]: condor.ic.net: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:04 spruce nntplink[25045]: turing.mathworks.com: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:07 spruce nntplink[25049]: news.mcs.com: togo Updated, 7593 articles queued Jan 9 20:40:08 spruce nntplink[25061]: helios.district86.k12.il.us: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:10 spruce nntplink[25073]: inews.harper.cc.il.us: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:11 spruce nntplink[25077]: nntp.som.siu.edu: select() error while reading reply: Interrupted system call Jan 9 20:40:13 spruce nntplink[25081]: news.quincy.edu: togo Updated, No articles queued Jan 9 20:40:18 spruce nntplink[25089]: peop.tdsnet.com: togo Updated, No articles queue0:04:02 1% news.plexus.com 81859 64402 17457 2 78% 4:47:12 0:13:19 4% gateway.platinum.com 67264 67263 0 1 99% 4:29:39 0:15:10 5% news.gatecom.com 44742 44736 6 0 99% 4:00:15 0:10:11 4% newsxfer.itd.umich.e 103789 323 103466 3 0% 3:35:27 0:02:29 1% isbe.state.il.us 0 0 0 0 0% 0:00:00 0:00:00 0% TOTALS 1388204 591794 796402 36 42% 66:38:01 2:19:38 3% Transmission Connection Attempts ------errors------- System Conn Ok EOF Sock Load Bpipe Space Exp Auth Other Pct peop.tdsnet.com 145 138 0 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 95% rs6000.ivcc.edu 25 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% helios.district86.k1 93 93 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% infoserv.illinois.ne 255 247 0 3 0 5 0 0 0 0 96% news.cfa.org 135 14 0 109 0 12 0 0 0 0 10% turing.mathworks.com 56 56 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% condor.ic.net 192 192 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% inews.harper.cc.il.u 24 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% news.quincy.edu 53 53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% nntp.som.siu.edu 71 20 0 42 0 9 0 0 0 0 28% news.mci.net 117 108 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 92% news.mcs.com 143 127 0 12 0 4 0 0 0 0 88% news.plexus.com 91 82 0 1 0 8 0 0 0 0 90% gateway.platinum.com 68 68 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% news.gatecom.com 87 45 0 25 0 17 0 0 0 0 51% newsxfer.itd.umich.e 104 104 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100% isbe.state.il.us 90 0 0 90 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% TOTALS 1749 1396 0 288 0 65 0 0 0 0 79% NNRP readership statistics System Conn Articles Groups Post Rej Elapsed CPU Pct 35.42.1.186 1 2 1 0 0 0:00:38 0:00:00 1% c58.dialin.ic.net 2 28 11 0 0 0:23:33 0:00:03 0% c49.dialin.ic.net 1 41 2 0 0 0:21:18 0:00:02 0% python.glc.org 5 53 12 1 0 3:45:52 0:00:06 0% via-annex3-14.cl.msu 3 1 4 1 0 0:02:15 0:00:01 0% 163.191.189.200 2 1 2 0 0 0:03:49 0:00:01 0% via-annex1-17.cl.msu 2 11 4 0 0 0:02:54 0:00:00 0% via-annex4-24.cl.msu 2 11 4 0 0 0:12:18 0:00:00 0% 163.191.189.121 6 120 35 0 0 1:55:03 0:00:19 0% mohican.cvg.baxter.c 5 2185 17 0 0 1:55:43 0:00:30 0% 163.191.189.131 2 52 6 1 0 2:04:32 0:00:04 0% robach.iwr.msu.edu 1 13 3 0 0 0:06:11 0:00:18 5% 192.217.196.14 2 111 9 0 0 0:50:09 0:00:29 0% 192.217.196.4 9 32 58 0 0 10:56:25 0:00:35 0% wolfson.iwr.msu.edu 2 155 7 0 0 0:39:30 0:00:51 2% 163.191.189.108 2 0 2 0 0 0:02:01 0:00:00 0% cypress.hq.cic.net 5 186 11 1 0 0:28:29 0:00:12 0% cicuoc-cs-2.dial.cic 9 270 404 1 0 8:54:04 0:00:58 0% 163.191.189.163 1 2 5 0 0 0:25:08 0:00:00 0% cicuoc-cs-3.dial.cic 1 27 36 0 0 0:29:07 0:00:05 0% 163.191.189.164 1 1 1 0 0 0:09:08 0:00:00 0% nelson.wingra.com 1 140 1 0 0 1:26:08 0:00:11 0% 163.191.189.165 2 8 4 0 0 0:17:52 0:00:02 0% cicuoc-cs-6.dial.cic 2 168 2 0 0 0:04:29 0:00:01 0% 163.191.189.168 1 24 6 2 1 3:17:08 0:00:02 24 la 20 k12 98 can 64 ieee 1 chi 35 cle 14 fj 176 pa 7 co 9 austin 24 ne 53 swnet 11 cmh 1 mi 14 ucb 14 rec 2602 oh 4 fr 53 nj 28 ucd 4 chile 10 balt 8 control 8 pgh 5 vmsnet 31 za 17 sci 553 bit 548 mn 14 ncar 8 atl 4 no 1 dfw 17 alt 6303 phl 15 uk 83 or 9 athena 2 biz 93 soc 846 talk 157 info 46 misc 580 fnet 1 aus 158 mit 8 gnu 60 nyc 19 ny 15 comp 2831 su 12 nz 5 pdx 20 us 30 houston 22 umich 31 tx 20 ont 27 brasil 1 hsv 11 zer 317 uiuc 4 milw 5 tor 16 pnw 7 bionet 92 relcom 3 hepnet 2 sfnet 39 nlnet 7 eunet 13 ba 161 news 97 ca 51 bc 3 boulder 6 dc 51 Newsgroup request counts (by newsgroup, if count > 100) From js317@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 01:07:37 1995 Received: from inibara.cc.columbia.edu (inibara.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.135]) by locust.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA12689 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:07:29 -0500 Received: by inibara.cc.columbia.edu id AA10707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for Paul Southworth ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:08:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 01:08:43 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Schroeter X-Sender: js317@inibara.cc.columbia.edu To: Paul Southworth Subject: Re: greetings from the icy tundra of Michigan In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: good to hear from you Paul. Ed and I recently talked about possibilities for you. And of course you know Ed would love to have you guys around. Anyhow, I'm a bit nuts at the moment. My wife just had a baby and we're getting used to our new life. But we will be looking for a person or two and you just might fit the bill. Not sure at the moment and I only glanced quickly at your background. Give me a few days and I'll be in touch. On Tue, 10 Jan 1995, Paul Southworth wrote: > > Hi. Ed Geffner suggested that we chat about any possibilities for > employment at Columbia. Although I haven't been on the job-hunt recently, > it looks possible that Mira and I may move to New York in the fall (or > earlier if needed). That is, she's applying for graduate study in the > Sociology department at Columbia. If she's accepted then a position > somewhere at the school would become very attractive (and obtaining an > appointment might possibly improve her chances of admission). > > I saw the posting for your job there when it went around, but I must > confess I don't have a clear idea of what the mission of a "new media" > division is. If you're interested in pursuing the discussion after > wading through the attached text, I'd like to hear more about what you're > doing at Columbia. Ed was a little fuzzy on details. > > As is usual for me, I currently have a jack-of-all-trades > support/sales/consulting position. The company I work for, CICNet, is the > NSFNET mid-level internet network service provider for the great lakes > region. We run the state networks of Illinois and Iowa, and provide > connectivity services to all the Big Ten schools, plus University of > Chicago. Although the Big Ten are the central focus of the business in > terms of high speed data connectivity, we also sell connectivity to around > 150 other sites in the midwest, mostly small four-year and community > colleges in Illinois. Apart from the connectivity business, we also offer > contract Unix and network consulting services and a variety of other > value-added services that we bundle with direct or dial-up network > connectivity, such as network news, broadcast video (mbone), domain name > service, and a variety of information services. > > My responsibilities are (roughly) as follows: > > o Maintenance of local area networks > o Design of local and enterprise-wide networks for customers > o Design of microcomputer and Unix network systems for customers > o Maintenance of about 20 Unix machines (Suns and DEC Alphas) for CICNet > o Maintenance of about 12 Unix machines for customers (Suns, IBM RS/6000's, > Sequent Symmetries, Intergraph workstations) > o Unix support for DNS software, sendmail routing and configuration, > system security and access control measures, information servers > (gopher, ftp, world wide web), terminal server authentication systems, > Usenet news, and all the basic system software (kernel configurations, > system installations, etc.) > o Unix support for all end-user software on the machines (supporting > several et [198.108.58.2]) by locust.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23772 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:20:14 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by nic.hq.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA02126 for dial-help-out; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:21:50 -0500 Received: from cedar.cic.net (root@cedar.cic.net [192.131.22.3]) by nic.hq.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02121 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:21:49 -0500 Received: from [192.217.170.99] (node99.ncrel.org [192.217.170.99]) by cedar.cic.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA22961 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:21:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 11:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199501101621.LAA22961@cedar.cic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dialhelp@CIC.Net From: nauta@cedar.cic.net (Jim Nauta) Subject: Perl and scripting and directory priviliges Sender: dial-help-request@CIC.Net Errors-To: owner-dial-help@CIC.Net Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: I need to write some scripts for processing forms and maps on our www server. I've been sorting through references to Perl on the net. It looks like scripts need to be stored in the cgi-bin directory. Do I have access priviliges to put new scripts there? And how do I reference that location from an html document on our server? Specifically, what would help a lot is: 1.) a sample script for a clickable map (with comments on how it works), where I can fill in new coordinates and links. And then a sample html document that will go in our ncrel server that shows how to call it. I know how to do the html stuff, I just don't know the path to the script. 2.) A sample of a forms processing script that will save comments to a text file on the ncrel server (survey.txt). Again, I know how to code forms in html, I just don't know path to script for processing. If I could get some help on these two items it would be greatly appreciated. Then I could set up some training on a more leisu