Newsgroups: sci.aeronautics.airliners Path: news From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) Subject: Re: Boeing 747-300 References: Message-ID: Approved: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM Organization: Chicago Software Works X-Original-Message-ID: <1992Nov18.094020.12550@ohare.Chicago.COM> Sender: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:40:20 GMT In article jerry@telecom.ksu.edu (Jerry Anderson) writes: >Is the Boeing 747-300 the largest commercial passenger aircraft >in the world? Is the -300 the latest version, or are there >newer, possibly larger stretched versions of the 747? The 747-300 is simply a -200 with an Extended Upper Deck, which allows greater seating. The only 747 model currently being produced is the 747-400, which shares the same fuselage dimensions as the -300 version and visually is quite similar, the most noticeable difference being winglets at the wingtips and subtle engine differences. Internally, the -400 is a *very* different aircraft, including a two-person cockpit and new, more powerful, and more fuel efficient engines. MGTOW is up to at least 870,000 from 833,000 for the -200/-300 models and range is substantially increased as well. Unless the Russians have something which I've missed, the 747-400 is easily the largest commercial passenger aircraft in terms of number of seats and payload. Its range is also the greatest of anything now in service, though the Airbus A340 will exceed it once it enters service next year. >I've heard Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas and Airbus all have plans >in the works for Really Big Planes in the 600-700 passenger, >7500-8000 mile range. Does anyone know if these planes are >really going to get built, or is this the usual "if we can >pre-sell a couple of hundred, maybe we'll really build it?" No manufacturer (well, except for Airbus) would build a new aircraft just for grins. If they have tangible demand in the form of orders they'll build it, if not, they won't. Given the current state of the airline industry major new orders aren't likely in the near future. > McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 1993 > Airbus AE-400 1994 > Boeing 777 1995-6 All three of these are much smaller than what you're thinking of. Here are the important parameters for these three plus the 747-400 for comparison. Seating is for a "typical" three-class cabin and service is the date of first service; MGTOW is in US pounds. Mfr. Type MGTOW seating service Boeing 747-400 870,000 430 1989 MacDAC MD-11 618,000 250 1991 Airbus A-340 559,000 230 1993 Boeing 777 515,000 ~220 1995 In the 600+ passenger market, Boeing has talked about both further stretches of the 747 and an entirely new aircraft, sometimes using the N650 moniker. McDonnell-Douglas has most recently talked about the MD-12 -- once yet another stretch of the MD-11 -- as a new and much larger aircraft, also in the 600+ passenger category. Airbus has said that if there is demand and/or if Boeing builds such an aircraft, Airbus will build one too. The name A600 or maybe A2000 seems vaguely familiar though I can't locate any references. -- Karl Swartz |INet kls@ditka.chicago.com 1-415/854-3409 |UUCP uunet!decwrl!ditka!kls QUAYLE IS A BOZOE |Snail 2144 Sand Hill Rd., Menlo Park CA 94025, USA "I never vote for anyone. I always vote against." (W. C. Fields)