PROTOCOL: ALT COMPRESSION: NONE CONNECT 2400/ARQ CBBS(R) 4.0.3b 05/31/93 21:29:51 Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U ?^U ?^U ?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss Logging name to disk... You are caller 229862; next msg =46280; 364 active msgs. Prev. call 05/23/93 @ 09:39, next msg was 46269 Recording logon for next time. Use FULL? to check assignments ?^U ?xxxxx "Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to >Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-20 log,ward c;or;*;short LOG. 5 KILLED. 70 SUMMARY. 24 type-50 log,ward c;or;*;shor 05/23/93,10:14:35,229786,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0 ]Timeout doubled (in memory, not on disk) __Off to COMDEX as of Tuesday AM. Back Monday after. Will be at Marshall & Sharon Magee's in Alpharetta GA. WARD CHRISTENSEN,2 ]__Log renamed to l9305 WARD CHRISTENSEN, 05/23/93,12:36:35,229787,2,PETE RETZBACH,,13 05/23/93,13:25:09,229788,2,CHARLES BERG,,1 05/23/93,20:06:09,229789,2,DAVID HAGEN,,1 05/23/93,20:57:49,229790,2,MURRAY ARNOW,, E#46272,9 05/23/93,21:16:01,229791,2,BRYANT HO,,1 05/24/93,00:33:56,229792,2,ARNOLD BOYD,,3 05/24/93,01:54:40,229793,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,7 05/24/93,03:00:15,229794,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 05/24/93,10:02:26,229795,2,GERALD PINE,,2 05/24/93,11:24:34,229796,2,GEOFF SJOSTROM,Chicago/ IL,3 05/24/93,13:17:05,229797,2,DENNIS STAHL,,10 05/24/93,19:35:54,229798,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#46273,14 05/24/93,20:02:49,229799,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1 05/24/93,20:28:24,229800,2,PAUL BRAMEL,,16 05/24/93,23:59:02,229801,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,, E#46274,12 05/25/93,00:12:05,229802,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,, 05/25/93,03:45:33,229803,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,, E#46275,7 05/25/93,09:28:18,229804,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2 05/25/93,13:25:08,229805,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,6 05/25/93,14:29:56,229806,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1 05/25/93,14:57:31,229807,2,ROB SMITH,buffalo ny,2 05/25/93,18:10:01,229808,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,2 05/25/93,22:58:15,229809,2,BRYANT HO,,4 05/26/93,02:26:57,229810,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,5 05/26/93,03:13:58,229811,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,2 05/26/93,04:28:15,229812,2,BERT SCHRAMM,, >Help: A, 05/26/93,05:37:51,229813,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,2 05/26/93,11:53:49,229814,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,0 05/26/93,12:19:49,229815,2,DAVID JOHNSON,,5 05/26/93,13:43:03,229816,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1 05/26/93,14:45:41,229817,2,KEN STOX,, E#46276,14 05/26/93,17:44:48,229818,2,GREG BELL,Evanston/Illinois, 05/26/93,21:29:56,229819,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 05/26/93,23:16:59,229820,2,MICHAEL SHARTIAG,,5 05/27/93,02:16:52,229821,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1 05/27/93,03:16:02,229822,2,JERRY OLSEN,, E#46277,67 05/27/93,08:39:03,229823,2,ALEX ZELL,,14 05/27/93,12:37:10,229824,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1 05/27/93,13:10:15,229825,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,1 05/27/93,14:32:13,229826,2,GARY ELFRING,,77 05/27/93,15:28:50,229827,2,BRIAN AVERY,,1 05/27/93,22:17:25,229828,2,ROY PLUM,,3 05/28/93,01:08:28,229829,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1 05/28/93,02:01:30,229830,2,STEVE RYAN,,6 05/28/93,05:44:59,229831,2,JERRY OLSEN,,6 05/28/93,06:44:59,229832,2,DON PIVEN,,5 ]DON PIVEN, 05/28/93,10:30:45,229833,2,DON BUDZINSKI,evanston/ il,2 05/28/93,12:45:34,229834,2,GERALD PINE,,2 05/28/93,14:40:04,229835,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,, E#46278, E#46279,4 05/28/93,16:16:52,229836,2,BERNARD GOLDLUST,,1 05/29/93,08:19:24,229837,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,1 05/29/93,09:47:24,229838,2,STEVE AIDIKONIS,,2 05/29/93,10:09:20,229839,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1 05/29/93,12:31:49,229840,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 05/29/93,14:12:17,229841,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,0 05/29/93,15:26:50,229842,2,AL VORNE,CHICAGO ILL,3 05/29/93,23:04:52,229843,2,JOHN FOCHT,chicago/ il,3 05/29/93,23:14:21,229844,2,PERRY FINK,Highland Park/ IL,1 05/30/93,01:46:08,229845,2,BILL MATTSON,,1 05/30/93,16:53:49,229846,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,4 05/30/93,17:35:26,229847,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,0 05/30/93,18:42:01,229848,2,MARTIN MILLER,,11 05/31/93,00:31:48,229849,2,MAREK NAGPAL,chciago/ il, 05/31/93,01:14:35,229850,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,2 05/31/93,10:45:23,229851,2,AL HIGGINS,,3 05/31/93,11:03:06,229852,2,JERRY HASLETT,,7 05/31/93,12:00:04,229853,2,JOSEPH SKOM,, >Help: SYSOP, >Help: SYSOP,6 05/31/93,12:13:04,229854,2,LARRY GLASSMAN,,3 05/31/93,14:06:40,229855,2,ANDY SHAPIRO,,0 05/31/93,15:17:57,229856,2,BILL PRECHT,, 05/31/93,15:27:53,229857,2,RICHARD HINTON,,3 05/31/93,15:37:46,229858,2,MARK LINDEMANN,lisle/il, 05/31/93,18:26:10,229859,2,KERRY GIBSON,toledo/ ohio,2 05/31/93,18:39:13,229860,2,NORB DEMBINSKI,,3 05/31/93,21:23:41,229861,2,MURRAY ARNOW,,1 05/31/93,21:29:56,229862,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,, 46269 05/23/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ROY LIPSCOMB: "R/VOICE ON THE INTERNET" 46270 05/23/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ANDY SHAPIRO: "R/DBIV?" 46271 05/23/93 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ANDY SHAPIRO: "R/DBIV?" 46272 05/23/93 MURRAY ARNOW => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/VOICE ON THE INTERNET" 46273 05/24/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/DBIV?" 46274 05/25/93 LARRY GLASSMAN => ALL: "VOICES ON THE INTERNET" 46275 05/25/93 NORB DEMBINSKI => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "HP 1200C DESKJET PRINTER" 46276 05/26/93 KEN STOX => ALL: "RE: VOICES ON THE INTERNET" 46277 05/27/93 JERRY OLSEN => ALL: "YOUNG AT HEART?" 46278 05/28/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => ALL: "AN INNOVATION.?" 46279 05/28/93 ANDY SHAPIRO => ALL: "NOVELL DOS 7?" - End of summary - Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts. Msg 46269 is 18 line(s) on 05/23/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ROY LIPSCOMB re: R/VOICE ON THE INTERNET Wow, that was cool! - voice on the internet! However, I shudder to think of the bandwidth consumption! I also shudder to think of the day voice becomes popular in the business community - I have to admit it I am SO unhappy with this - I have to say it - ASS - at work, who has a screen blanker on his PC, that bounces a padlock around the screen (as many do) but his "beeps" and "peeps" off the screen borders, like an old pong game. IMAGINE, a NOISY PC accessory that only engages when you are AWAY FROM YOUR DESK. Another guy stuck some kind of OS/2 multi-media thingie in, and when he does a shutdown, it plays taps. Well, it tries. It is grainy, slow, AGONIZINGLY slow, . I'd have thought he would remove it after the "fun" of hearing it once or twice, but NO. BY WHICH I MEAN: imagine the day when many people are TALKING to their PCs - either voice annotating things, or doing voice input, etc. I don't think I could take it. YET, with carpal tunnel or pinched nerves or whatever I have (going to the doctor tomorrow) I may be the first one to really NEEDS voice input to continue some degree of my participation in some PC activities. Msg 46270 is 30 line(s) on 05/23/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ANDY SHAPIRO re: R/DBIV? Interesting hearing what you did. You might, if you consider enhancing, add my idea of stepping thru for clearing checks (and deposits - I get 'em electronically at work, and I DO want to manually check them off to make sure I got everything - though of course the bank is going to be "more" right than I). Also, why do you go out to supercalc for balancing? I found it easy enough to do in xBase. 4K? Wow! Yes, the allocation unit problem is just as appropriate for the PC as for CP/M. As to combining procedure file, the ONE thing I really like about FoxPRO (which I do NOT and never HAVE used though I bought it!) is that it can have in-line procedures in the same file as the mainline, so you can finally have a single, structured .PRG file. I found the limitation of a single procedure file very confining - at work I use it for all my 3270 API stuff, meaning ANY application I do which makes use of the APIs can't have procedure files (not a REAL problem because I'm writing all from scratch). One thing I do (in almost any language) is to make HEAVY use of STATEs - i.e. the overall program is a big loop, and I have a single variable called a 'state' that I change based upon what I want to do. This is how to put gotos into goto-less programming - i.e. the state indicates which part to execute, virtually identical to doing a "goto" that section. Very flexible. My check clearing loop (which you go out to SC4 to do) is only a dozen lines or so - "if a deposit; if cleared then add to balance;" "if a check; if cleared then subtract from balance", and just do this is a "while .not. eof()" loop. I do fancier things like changing screen colors based upon each line processed (once I find the line with the 00 balance indicating the oldest modified entry (such as the oldest check cleared in this pass). I am still AMAZED at how tight you wrote this! My checkbook DBF is 44K alone - but then again I would LOVE it to go back FOREVER - for example. Msg 46271 is 30 line(s) on 05/23/93 from WARD CHRISTENSEN to ANDY SHAPIRO re: R/DBIV? Did I mention about using my program to save me $20? Master Card hit me with a $20 annual fee this January, in spite of it being a "no annual fee" card. Reason is, if you have NO interest (I believe in paying promptly, and not going beyond my means) in a year, then the "fine print" sez they can hit you for a processing fee. SO, what I did was go thru my checks.DBF file, back 3 years, totalling every check I ever wrote to this specific bank. I then wrote a letter saying that I chose them because of no annual fee, that I had lots of offers for other cards (and in fact had just gotten a Gold no-fee Visa card), and stating the many K$ I'd spent in these 3 years, and did they want to lose me over a little $20 fee? Well, I fully expected to get another bill, WITH INTEREST, in the mail, which I'd probably pay, then turn in the card. Instead, I got a ZERO balance bill the next month, and have switched to using the M.C. over the Visa (though being the (?? anal retentive ??) type, I hate both bills - with their stupid advertising and "tear off flap before mailing" type of ad- for as dumb a thing as "Thighmaster"). Actually I (with serious topic drift here) got the Visa because THEY were from a small bank with NO advertising and a nice simple (read: user friendly) envelope, from Gary Wheaton bank. Well, 3 months later 1st Card of Chicago bought 'em and I'm back to the junky ads and 'tear off flap' silly envelopes. heh. - Do you write much xBase? I have a 3270 terminal emulator in it at work, a publication order system, and at home, a backup-tape logging system, and a HUGE and complex VCR log - each tape assigned a 3-digit code, with quick-search (type one letter, it positions to and shows the first match, hit the 2nd letter, it goes down to the 2-letter match, etc). Ability to compute durations, elapsed times, search for artists, titles, sort 3 ways, etc. A VERY VERY comprehensive VCR library, including hooks to Smart Label printer, etc. I really like xBase. Msg 46272 is 05 line(s) on 05/23/93 from MURRAY ARNOW to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/VOICE ON THE INTERNET Voice e-mail is here. Where I currently work, the Mac is the computer of choice. Two weeks ago MacMail was upgraded and now supports voice mail attachments. Right now it is a novelty and not used by most people on the [D Anyway its here, and I suppose I'll end up using it out of forced necessity. Msg 46273 is 28 line(s) on 05/24/93 from ANDY SHAPIRO to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/DBIV? Wow! I like your check system (fun and profits)! I do like going out to SC4 just because (a) I can do it, and (b) I feel a little more comfortable with the math there. Remember, this checkbook program started out as a very quick hack to replace what I think of as an ugly bit of commercial software. My major consideration was not to have to re-enter all the stuff already in the .dbf file. Happily, the checks were stored in dBase compatible form, so that was simple. I've done xBase stuff on and off since the days of my Kaypro 2'84 and dBase II. I guess I really got into it when some people at work (then the American Bar Foundation) needed a couple of HUGE data entry systems for projects they were doing. I looked at the manuals and figured I could probably do it. In one case, they had so much information that for each record I needed to string together five (5) DBIII+ files. Yep,er 640 distinct fields for each record. So, I learned. I never had my own copy of dBase III, etc, though. A couple of months back, I happened across a copy of DBXL 1.3, a III+ clone (the rights have been sold to Borland) for $20 at a show, so I bought it. One thing I did learn, BTW, is that (at least in DBXL) the main .PRG file can also be opened as the procedure file, so you can have the main program and subroutines all in one box. I like your idea of 'state,' though - I'll have to consider how that can work. Do you have an internet or bitnet address? If so, I'll send you the code to my checkbook if you send me yours. It'd be fun to see if your Foxbase code would run under DBXL, and vice-versa. You can reach me at marchana@gar.union.edu -or- marchana@union.bitnet. Msg 46274 is 10 line(s) on 05/25/93 from LARRY GLASSMAN to ALL re: VOICES ON THE INTERNET I have been using a software package on my Sun workstation allowing voice across the network for some time. The package is called Radio, and is part of the standard GNU distribution tape for UNIX. The program would take sound from the little microphone connected to my workstation, and anybody who ran the listening program, would have the sound come out of the speaker connected to their workstation. I used this successfully on the company's internal wide area network between Chicago and London. The delay was mininal. These machines were only connected to a standard 10 megabit per second ethernet. It did not use very much of the band width either. Interesting technology. Msg 46275 is 10 line(s) on 05/25/93 from NORB DEMBINSKI to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: HP 1200C DESKJET PRINTER Ward: Have you had a chance to review the specs on the new HP 1200C DeskJet Color printer? This seems to be what I am looking to attach to my system. I was wondering what the largest size paper this machine is capable of handling. The 1200C will also come in a postscript version, which is the model I would be interested in obtaining. Norb Dembinski Msg 46276 is 16 line(s) on 05/26/93 from KEN STOX to ALL re: RE: VOICES ON THE INTERNET Having tinkered with this for some time, I'd thought I would drop some comments: 1) On the newer SUN's, you don't even need a software package to do a "radio" broadcast, you can just "cat /dev/audio" to a pipe to a remote shell that cats stdin to /dev/audio. 2) Although a one way brodcast will probably work well enough, two way conversation is very difficult due to network delays. It will probably work acceptably between two very well connected sites, but since most sites don't have a T1 coming into their routers, speech gets broken too much. 3) At this time, there just is not enough bandwidth, and each speech channel will probably eat up 64Kbps. However, it is obvious that the internet is becoming the modern phone system in many ways. I wonder how much longer it can exist in it's current state before it evolves into a new beast under commercial control. Msg 46277 is 06 line(s) on 05/27/93 from JERRY OLSEN to ALL re: YOUNG AT HEART? I need to interview a couple of young sysops (or former sysops) for a magazine piece.under 16 years old is ideal; under 18 may work too. They needn't necessarily be local to Chicago. Any help would be appreciated. Alternately, they can contact me at (312) 939-3300 and, if I'm not available, leave a message. Time is tight on this one, and I'd like to round up sources next Monday if not earlier. Thanks. Msg 46278 is 23 line(s) on 05/28/93 from ANDY SHAPIRO to ALL re: AN INNOVATION.? Here's my innovation of the week - the monocable! Earlier today I bought a little clip-on trackball (PC Accessories, the generic red, white & blue box brand) and put it on the right side of my desktop keyboard. Since it has a very short cord (1' or so), I bought a monitor extension cable (9 pin) and wound it into the coiled keyboard cable. Behold! One wire, two devices! Actually, the little trackball is kind of cute. It's the size of a MicroSoft or Logitech portable trackball, but the bracket clips it on flat, so that the critter is at the same angle as the keyboard. It has three buttons arranged around the ball, and one LED. When you press either the right or left buttons and the bottom button at the same time, the right or left button locks and the LED lights. Pressing the bottom button again releases your selection. It works well in the graphics programs I use, though I must admit that the action isn't as nice as my Trackman (which now goes to my 4-year-old, who finds rodents as frustrating as I do). Oh - at CompUSA, the PC Accessories Mini Trackball was less than half the price of its Logitech and Microsoft brethren. Has anyone else here strung multiple cables together to eliminate desktop messiness? I'm curious. Msg 46279 is 04 line(s) on 05/28/93 from ANDY SHAPIRO to ALL re: NOVELL DOS 7? I've heard that this is beta testing NOW, and that it is a command- driven OS that supports true multi-tasking. Anyone seen it? Heard about it? If you have a (non-OEM'd) copy of DR-DOS 6, have you heard any noises? etc. dup. chars. >Function:?