The key here is whether Russia will stop transit of gas via Ukraine or not.
Notable quotes:
"... A more far-reaching result from the Stockholm proceedings was the intention to void the traditional (Gazprom) formula for gas prices which is based on a linkage to the price of oil. Instead, the price of gas will be tied directly to the spot gas market such as the European hub. ..."
"... In traditional Gazprom contracts, the price of gas depends on the price of oil, and only up to 15% of the price is a spot gas component. For decades, this contractual linkage of the price of gas to oil was largely accepted as being open and fair. ..."
"... the Stockholm arbitration declared that Naftogaz must honor their contract, and buy from Gazprom 5 billion cubic meters of gas annually. As it turns out the "take or pay" clause remains in force, but the volume has been significantly reduced. ..."
"... The irony is that while this is a loss of face for Kiev politically, economically it benefits the Ukrainian consumer. To date, Ukraine's purchases of "reverse gas" from Europe has been far more expensive than that which was contracted reliably over the years by Gazprom. ..."
After 2014, Ukraine claimed that it was being overcharged, and therefore Naftogaz refused to
pay Gazprom their contracted price for gas. Instead, it paid unilaterally a different amount
that it subjectively considered "fair."
Gazprom, in keeping with mutually contracted terms and conditions, could only issue an
invoice for the resulting underpayment, and after Naftogaz still refused to pay (a debt of
approx. $2 billion), made any further deliveries of gas contingent on prepayment.
The arbitration additionally upheld Gazprom's position and denied Naftogaz any right to a
refund for gas priced between May 2011 and April 2014 or collect any of the claimed
"overcharged gas" totaling approximately $14 billion for that period. In sum, the price Kiev
claimed was "inflated" was judged as in Stockholm as baseless.
Therefore, the question of who is accountable and responsible for settling debt has been
clarified in Stockholm. Naftogaz must pay Gazprom $2 billion plus a fine calculated at 0.03%
per day for each day this debt remains unpaid. This fine has already reached $3 million since
the court decision on December 22nd, and if it not paid can reach an annualized figure of $216
million and still keep growing daily.
Like any political and economic story, there is quite a bit that does not make the flashy
headlines, but plays a role in contributing to the noise surrounding an issue. Naftogaz takes
satisfaction in that the settlement allowed that the gas price for the second quarter of 2014
was to be reduced from $485 to $352 per 1000 cubic meters, or 27%, thereby "saving" Ukraine
about $ 1.8 billion for 2014-2015. The price of $485 was in fact fixed for that one quarter,
and it was higher than the market price. The reason was that the March referendum and
subsequent reunification of Crimea within the Russian Federation happened then. Up until that
time, Russia had given Ukraine a discount of $100 per one thousand cubic meters of gas as
payment for renting the Crimean base for the Black Sea fleet. The Kharkov treaty with Ukraine
which dealt with the naval base was therefore canceled, as Crimea was once again Russia.
Without this discount, the price increased by that same discounted $100 in the contracted
quarterly price fix.
Key is Stockholm's recognition that the Russian gas price for Ukraine in 2011-2014 was fair,
which is much more important than the price fixed in that second quarter in question. It is
worth noting in the next third quarter of 2014 Gazprom was prepared to provide Ukraine with a
market price for gas again. However, as we all know today, since June 2014 Naftogaz has refused
to buy gas from Russia for political reasons and calling it an "aggressor nation."
A more far-reaching result from the Stockholm proceedings was the intention to void the
traditional (Gazprom) formula for gas prices which is based on a linkage to the price of oil.
Instead, the price of gas will be tied directly to the spot gas market such as the European
hub. Should this occur, then the future gas price for Ukraine will be linked to the cost of
fuel in the European hub. This would be a major departure from the traditional pricing Gazprom
has used for decades, and might set a precedent for other buyers of Russian gas, who might also
want to change their price formulation. In traditional Gazprom contracts, the price of gas
depends on the price of oil, and only up to 15% of the price is a spot gas component. For
decades, this contractual linkage of the price of gas to oil was largely accepted as being open
and fair.
Since 2014, Ukraine has been buying reverse gas from Europe at such European spot hub
prices, and it has so far been more expensive than the traditional Gazprom contract. It is also
worth noting that spot prices are far more volatile, are seasonally demand-affected, and as
winter is a peak consumption season the prices can and do increase dramatically.
Why did Gazprom take their initial large claims to court knowing beforehand that it would be
impossible to get the tens of billions of dollars from Naftogaz or Ukraine without ruining both
through default? The first reason is that a "take or pay" clause was a key and mutually agreed
covenant of the contractual relationship, not a point to be discarded unilaterally by any
single party. The second reason was as a response to Naftogaz multi-billion lawsuit on the
transit of gas from Russia through Ukraine to Europe. The Ukrainian side believes that Gazprom
should pay them extra for not sending 110 billion cubic meters of gas through pipelines
annually across Ukraine. In the transit contract, there is no obligation for any such volumes
to be transited through Ukraine's pipelines.
To sum up this drama, the Stockholm arbitration declared that Naftogaz must honor their
contract, and buy from Gazprom 5 billion cubic meters of gas annually. As it turns out the
"take or pay" clause remains in force, but the volume has been significantly reduced. How this
volume of 5 billion cubic meters was arrived at remains a mystery, but one which will surely
become clear over time. The political spin, however, will be interesting to observe since
Ukraine must now buy (and pay for) this Russian gas. How will Kiev explain now having to buy
Russian gas when since 2014 it stridently proclaimed it shall never buy fuel from "that
aggressor nation."
The irony is that while this is a loss of face for Kiev politically, economically it
benefits the Ukrainian consumer. To date, Ukraine's purchases of "reverse gas" from Europe has
been far more expensive than that which was contracted reliably over the years by Gazprom. Now
Kiev will have to find the funds to pay for Gazprom's gas, settle their debt and ever-growing
fines, plus meet the rest of their energy needs by purchasing expensive reverse gas from
Europe. It will take spin that is a lot more imaginative from Kiev to package this settlement
into a believable political victory, and very creative accounting to get the money to pay for
it.
The key here is whether Russia will stop transit of gas via Ukraine or not.
Notable quotes:
"... A more far-reaching result from the Stockholm proceedings was the intention to void the traditional (Gazprom) formula for gas prices which is based on a linkage to the price of oil. Instead, the price of gas will be tied directly to the spot gas market such as the European hub. ..."
"... In traditional Gazprom contracts, the price of gas depends on the price of oil, and only up to 15% of the price is a spot gas component. For decades, this contractual linkage of the price of gas to oil was largely accepted as being open and fair. ..."
"... the Stockholm arbitration declared that Naftogaz must honor their contract, and buy from Gazprom 5 billion cubic meters of gas annually. As it turns out the "take or pay" clause remains in force, but the volume has been significantly reduced. ..."
"... The irony is that while this is a loss of face for Kiev politically, economically it benefits the Ukrainian consumer. To date, Ukraine's purchases of "reverse gas" from Europe has been far more expensive than that which was contracted reliably over the years by Gazprom. ..."
After 2014, Ukraine claimed that it was being overcharged, and therefore Naftogaz refused to
pay Gazprom their contracted price for gas. Instead, it paid unilaterally a different amount
that it subjectively considered "fair."
Gazprom, in keeping with mutually contracted terms and conditions, could only issue an
invoice for the resulting underpayment, and after Naftogaz still refused to pay (a debt of
approx. $2 billion), made any further deliveries of gas contingent on prepayment.
The arbitration additionally upheld Gazprom's position and denied Naftogaz any right to a
refund for gas priced between May 2011 and April 2014 or collect any of the claimed
"overcharged gas" totaling approximately $14 billion for that period. In sum, the price Kiev
claimed was "inflated" was judged as in Stockholm as baseless.
Therefore, the question of who is accountable and responsible for settling debt has been
clarified in Stockholm. Naftogaz must pay Gazprom $2 billion plus a fine calculated at 0.03%
per day for each day this debt remains unpaid. This fine has already reached $3 million since
the court decision on December 22nd, and if it not paid can reach an annualized figure of $216
million and still keep growing daily.
Like any political and economic story, there is quite a bit that does not make the flashy
headlines, but plays a role in contributing to the noise surrounding an issue. Naftogaz takes
satisfaction in that the settlement allowed that the gas price for the second quarter of 2014
was to be reduced from $485 to $352 per 1000 cubic meters, or 27%, thereby "saving" Ukraine
about $ 1.8 billion for 2014-2015. The price of $485 was in fact fixed for that one quarter,
and it was higher than the market price. The reason was that the March referendum and
subsequent reunification of Crimea within the Russian Federation happened then. Up until that
time, Russia had given Ukraine a discount of $100 per one thousand cubic meters of gas as
payment for renting the Crimean base for the Black Sea fleet. The Kharkov treaty with Ukraine
which dealt with the naval base was therefore canceled, as Crimea was once again Russia.
Without this discount, the price increased by that same discounted $100 in the contracted
quarterly price fix.
Key is Stockholm's recognition that the Russian gas price for Ukraine in 2011-2014 was fair,
which is much more important than the price fixed in that second quarter in question. It is
worth noting in the next third quarter of 2014 Gazprom was prepared to provide Ukraine with a
market price for gas again. However, as we all know today, since June 2014 Naftogaz has refused
to buy gas from Russia for political reasons and calling it an "aggressor nation."
A more far-reaching result from the Stockholm proceedings was the intention to void the
traditional (Gazprom) formula for gas prices which is based on a linkage to the price of oil.
Instead, the price of gas will be tied directly to the spot gas market such as the European
hub. Should this occur, then the future gas price for Ukraine will be linked to the cost of
fuel in the European hub. This would be a major departure from the traditional pricing Gazprom
has used for decades, and might set a precedent for other buyers of Russian gas, who might also
want to change their price formulation. In traditional Gazprom contracts, the price of gas
depends on the price of oil, and only up to 15% of the price is a spot gas component. For
decades, this contractual linkage of the price of gas to oil was largely accepted as being open
and fair.
Since 2014, Ukraine has been buying reverse gas from Europe at such European spot hub
prices, and it has so far been more expensive than the traditional Gazprom contract. It is also
worth noting that spot prices are far more volatile, are seasonally demand-affected, and as
winter is a peak consumption season the prices can and do increase dramatically.
Why did Gazprom take their initial large claims to court knowing beforehand that it would be
impossible to get the tens of billions of dollars from Naftogaz or Ukraine without ruining both
through default? The first reason is that a "take or pay" clause was a key and mutually agreed
covenant of the contractual relationship, not a point to be discarded unilaterally by any
single party. The second reason was as a response to Naftogaz multi-billion lawsuit on the
transit of gas from Russia through Ukraine to Europe. The Ukrainian side believes that Gazprom
should pay them extra for not sending 110 billion cubic meters of gas through pipelines
annually across Ukraine. In the transit contract, there is no obligation for any such volumes
to be transited through Ukraine's pipelines.
To sum up this drama, the Stockholm arbitration declared that Naftogaz must honor their
contract, and buy from Gazprom 5 billion cubic meters of gas annually. As it turns out the
"take or pay" clause remains in force, but the volume has been significantly reduced. How this
volume of 5 billion cubic meters was arrived at remains a mystery, but one which will surely
become clear over time. The political spin, however, will be interesting to observe since
Ukraine must now buy (and pay for) this Russian gas. How will Kiev explain now having to buy
Russian gas when since 2014 it stridently proclaimed it shall never buy fuel from "that
aggressor nation."
The irony is that while this is a loss of face for Kiev politically, economically it
benefits the Ukrainian consumer. To date, Ukraine's purchases of "reverse gas" from Europe has
been far more expensive than that which was contracted reliably over the years by Gazprom. Now
Kiev will have to find the funds to pay for Gazprom's gas, settle their debt and ever-growing
fines, plus meet the rest of their energy needs by purchasing expensive reverse gas from
Europe. It will take spin that is a lot more imaginative from Kiev to package this settlement
into a believable political victory, and very creative accounting to get the money to pay for
it.
"... They have behaved badly with an unstable value of bitcoin (huge unpredictable Bitcoin deflation damages any use of bitcoin as a means of exchange as much as huge inflation would). ..."
"... Now no one is really interested in cryptocurrency except as a way to gamble and take money from fools. But if anyone were, linking the blockchain program to prices on an exchange would make it more nearly possible to use the cryptocurrency as a means of exchange. ..."
"... The system is vulnerable to a tacit agreement to trade only on unofficial exchanges. It is necessary that the problem is also made easier if daily trading volume on the official exchange is zero. The problem is the price could shoot up on unofficial exchanges, but this would not affect the price on the official exchange if there were no transactions on the official exchange. ..."
"... The basis was and remains to remove any and all national gov'ts across he globe from any influences on values of currencies, thus pure laissez-faire in the extreme .. as you say libertarian chaos. ..."
"... There is a much more severe problem with bitcoin. As the number mined asymptotically approaches the pre-determined maximum, the cost of mining approaches infinity. As miners are the ones who validate coins, what will happen to the reliability of bitcoin when it becomes uneconomical for anyone to participate in mining? ..."
I am going to make a fool
of myself by suggesting that a cryptocurrency might actually be useful. Bitcoin et al have
negative social utility. They are pure speculative assets which enable people to gamble. Also
bitcoin miners use as much electricity as Denmark. The problem is exactly the aspect which has
made bitcoin famous and which bitcoin enthusiasts consider a strength -- the enormous increase
in the dollar price of bitcoin. This increase, and the recent sharp decline, make bitcoin
useless as a means of exchange. Most firms don't want to gamble.
So I (semi-seriously this time) propose botcoin which might have a more stable dollar
exchange rate. The idea is to link the blockchain verification program to an official
exchange.
Backing up, there are two very different sorts of web-servers related to bitcoin. One set,
the bitcoin miners, implements the original idea using the Bitcoin shareware. They keep a copy
of the ledger of all bitcoin transactions -- the blockchain, race to create new blocks, and
evaluate new blocks and add valid new blocks to the chain. The other servers are bitcoin
exchanges in which bitcoin is traded for regular currency. They are not part of the original
plan in which bitcoin would be traded for goods and services and function as a means of
exchange. They have behaved badly with an unstable value of bitcoin (huge unpredictable
Bitcoin deflation damages any use of bitcoin as a means of exchange as much as huge inflation
would).
I propose linking the blockchain program to an exchange. So there would be an official
botcoin exchange (this means it isn't entirely free-entry shareware libertarian anarchism). If
anyone were interested in a new cryptocurrency designed so that speculators can't become rich
(and pigs fly) there would be other unofficial exchanges.
The bitcoin program regulates the frequency of creation of new blocks to roughly one every
six minutes. It does this by adjusting the difficulty of the pointless arithmetic problem which
must be solved to make a new valid block. The idea was to limit the total amount of bitcoin
which will ever be created (to 21 million for some reason). This was supposed to make bitcoin
valuable. So far it has succeeded all too well (I am confident that in the end bitcoin will
have price 0).
It is possible to make the supply of botcoin flexible so the dollar price doesn't shoot up.
I would aim at a price of, say, 1 botcoin = $1000. The idea is to make the pointless problem
which must be solved to add a block easier if the dollar price of botcoin exceeds the target,
and harder if it falls below the target. This should stabilize the price.
Now no one is really interested in cryptocurrency except as a way to gamble and take
money from fools. But if anyone were, linking the blockchain program to prices on an exchange
would make it more nearly possible to use the cryptocurrency as a means of exchange.
The system is vulnerable to a tacit agreement to trade only on unofficial exchanges. It
is necessary that the problem is also made easier if daily trading volume on the official
exchange is zero. The problem is the price could shoot up on unofficial exchanges, but this
would not affect the price on the official exchange if there were no transactions on the
official exchange.
Lyle , December 25, 2017 11:22 pm
Of course Goldman Sachs and its competitors are doing just this building an options and
futures exchange. (it is not really that much different than any other futures and options
business)
Longtooth , December 26, 2017 5:01 am
But Robert,
then the entire foundation for Bitcoin's purpose disappears entirely, so what advantage
remains?
The basis was and remains to remove any and all national gov'ts across he globe from any
influences on values of currencies, thus pure laissez-faire in the extreme .. as you say
libertarian chaos.
By making crypto-currency values subject to national currency exchange rates they cease to
have any reason to exist at all.
We / globally in fact already use crypto exchange via electronic transactions .. adding
block chain to it would be a benefit but a separate cryptocurrency is a worthless redundancy
if it is subject to valuation by exchange rates of national currencies.
What am I missing?.
likbez , December 26, 2017 5:27 am
Great Article !!! I wish I can write about this topic on the same level. Thank you very much. P.S. Happy New Year for everybody !
rick shapiro , December 26, 2017 10:26 am
There is a much more severe problem with bitcoin. As the number mined asymptotically
approaches the pre-determined maximum, the cost of mining approaches infinity. As miners are
the ones who validate coins, what will happen to the reliability of bitcoin when it becomes
uneconomical for anyone to participate in mining?
"... The new 55-page "America First" National Security Strategy (NSS), drafted over the course of 2017, defines Russia and China as "revisionist" powers, "rivals," and for all practical purposes strategic competitors of the United States. ..."
"... The NSS stops short of defining Russia and China as enemies, allowing for an "attempt to build a great partnership with those and other countries." Still, Beijing qualified it as "reckless" and "irrational." The Kremlin noted its "imperialist character" and "disregard for a multipolar world." Iran, predictably, is described by the NSS as "the world's most significant state sponsor of terrorism." ..."
"Russia and China ... have concluded that pumping the US military budget by buying US bonds
... is an unsustainable proposition ..." Pepe Escobar 12,072
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The new 55-page "America First" National
Security Strategy (NSS), drafted over the course of 2017, defines Russia and China as
"revisionist" powers, "rivals," and for all practical purposes strategic competitors of the
United States.
The NSS stops short of defining Russia and China as enemies, allowing for an "attempt to
build a great partnership with those and other countries." Still, Beijing qualified it as
"reckless" and "irrational." The Kremlin noted its "imperialist character" and "disregard for a
multipolar world." Iran, predictably, is described by the NSS as "the world's most significant
state sponsor of terrorism."
Russia, China and Iran happen to be the three key movers and shakers in the ongoing
geopolitical and geo-economic process of Eurasia integration.
The NSS can certainly be regarded as a response to what happened at the BRICS summit in Xiamen last
September. Then, Russian President Vladimir Putin insisted on "the BRIC countries' concerns
over the unfairness of the global financial and economic architecture which does not give due
regard to the growing weight of the emerging economies," and stressed the need to "overcome the
excessive domination of a limited number of reserve currencies."
That was a clear reference to the US dollar, which accounts for nearly two-thirds of total
reserve currency around the world and remains the benchmark determining the price of energy and
strategic raw materials.
And that brings us to the unnamed secret at the heart of the NSS; the Russia-China "threat"
to the US dollar.
The CIPS/SWIFT face-off
The website of the China Foreign Exchange Trade System (CFETS) recently
announced the establishment of a yuan-ruble payment system, hinting that similar systems
regarding other currencies participating in the New Silk Roads, a.k.a. Belt and Road Initiative
(BRI) will also be in place in the near future.
Crucially, this is not about reducing currency risk; after all Russia and China have
increasingly traded bilaterally in their own currencies since the 2014 US-imposed sanctions on
Russia. This is about the implementation of a huge, new alternative reserve currency zone,
bypassing the US dollar.
The decision follows the establishment by Beijing, in October 2015, of the China
International Payments System (CIPS). CIPS has a cooperation agreement with the private,
Belgium-based SWIFT international bank clearing system, through which virtually every global
transaction must transit.
What matters, in this case, is that Beijing – as well as Moscow – clearly read
the writing on the wall when, in 2012, Washington applied pressure on SWIFT; blocked
international clearing for every Iranian bank; and froze $100 billion in Iranian assets
overseas as well as Tehran's potential to export oil. In the event that Washington might decide
to slap sanctions on China, bank clearing though CIPS works as a de facto sanctions-evading
mechanism.
Last March, Russia's central bank opened its first office in Beijing. Moscow is launching
its first $1 billion
yuan-denominated government bond sale. Moscow has made it very clear it is committed to a
long-term strategy to stop using the US dollar as their primary currency in global trade,
moving alongside Beijing towards what could be dubbed a post-Bretton Woods exchange system.
Gold is essential in this strategy. Russia, China, India, Brazil & South Africa are all
either large producers or consumers of gold – or both. Following what has been
extensively discussed in their summits since the early 2010s, the BRICS countries are bound to
focus on trading
physical gold .
Markets such as COMEX
actually trade derivatives on gold, and are backed by an insignificant amount of physical gold.
Major BRICS gold producers – especially the Russia-China partnership – plan to be
able to exercise extra influence in setting up global gold prices.
The ultimate politically charged dossier
Intractable questions referring to the US dollar as the top reserve currency have been
discussed at the highest levels of JP Morgan for at least five years now. There cannot be a
more politically charged dossier. The NSS duly sidestepped it.
The current state of play is still all about the petrodollar system; since last year, what
used to be a key, "secret" informal deal between the US and the House of Saud, is firmly in the
public domain .
Even warriors in the Hindu Kush may now be aware of how oil and virtually all commodities
must be traded in US dollars, and how these petrodollars are recycled into US Treasuries.
Through this mechanism, Washington has accumulated an astonishing $20 trillion in debt –
and counting.
Vast populations all across MENA (Middle East-Northern Africa) also learned what happened
when Iraq's Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in euros, or when Muammar Gaddafi planned to
issue a pan-African gold dinar.
But now it's China who's entering the fray, following through on plans set up way back in
2012. And the name of the game is oil-futures trading priced in yuan, with the yuan fully
convertible into gold on the Shanghai and Hong Kong foreign exchange markets.
The Shanghai Futures Exchange and its subsidiary, the Shanghai International Energy Exchange
(INE) have already run four production environment tests for crude oil futures. Operations were
supposed to start at the end of 2017, but even if they start sometime in early 2018, the
fundamentals are clear: this triple win (oil/yuan/gold) completely bypasses the US dollar. The
era of the petro-yuan is at hand.
Of course, there are questions on how Beijing will technically manage to set up a rival mark
to Brent and WTI, or whether China's capital controls will influence it. Beijing has been quite
discreet on the triple win; the petro-yuan was not even mentioned in National Development and
Reform Commission documents following the 19th CCP Congress last October.
What's certain is that the BRICS countries supported the petro-yuan move at their summit in
Xiamen, as diplomats confirmed to Asia Times . Venezuela is also on board. It's
crucial to remember that Russia is number two and Venezuela is number seven among the world's
Top Ten oil producers. Considering the pull of China's economy, they may soon be joined by
other producers.
Yao Wei, chief China economist at Societe Generale in Paris, goes straight to the point,
remarking how "this contract has the potential to greatly help China's push for yuan
internationalization."
The hidden riches of "belt" and "road"
An extensive report by
DBS in Singapore hits most of the right notes linking the internationalization of the yuan
with the expansion of BRI.
In 2018, six major BRI projects will be on overdrive; the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed
railway, the China-Laos railway, the Addis Ababa-Djibouti railway, the Hungary-Serbia railway,
the Melaka Gateway project in Malaysia, and the upgrading of Gwadar port in Pakistan.
HSBC estimates that
BRI as a whole will generate no less than an additional, game-changing $2.5 trillion worth of
new trade a year.
It's important to keep in mind that the "belt" in BRI should be seen as a series of
corridors connecting Eastern China with oil/gas-rich regions in Central Asia and the Middle
East, while the "roads" soon to be plied by high-speed rail traverse regions filled with
– what else - un-mined gold.
A key determinant of the future of the petro-yuan is what the House of Saud will do about
it. Should Crown Prince – and inevitable future king – MBS opt to follow Russia's
lead, to dub it as a paradigm shift would be the understatement of the century.
Yuan-denominated gold contracts will be traded not only in Shanghai and Hong Kong but also
in Dubai. Saudi Arabia is also considering to issue so-called Panda bonds, after the Emirate of
Sharjah is set to take the lead in the Middle East for Chinese interbank bonds.
Of course, the prelude to D-Day will be when the House of Saud officially announces it
accepts yuan for at least part of its exports to China.
A follower of the Austrian school of economics correctly asserts that for
oil-producing nations, higher oil price in US dollars is not as important as market share:
"They are increasingly able to choose in which currencies they want to trade."
What's clear is that the House of Saud simply cannot alienate China as one of its top
customers; it's Beijing who will dictate future terms. That may include extra pressure for
Chinese participation in Aramco's IPO. In parallel, Washington would see Riyadh embracing the
petro-yuan as the ultimate red line.
An independent
European report points to what may be the Chinese trump card: "an authorization to issue
treasury bills in yuan by Saudi Arabia," the creation of a Saudi investment fund, and the
acquisition of a 5% share of Aramco.
Nations under US sanctions, such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela, will be among the first to
embrace the petro-yuan. Smaller producers such as Angola and Nigeria are already selling
oil/gas to China in yuan.
And if you don't export oil but are part of BRI, such as Pakistan, the least you can do is
replace the US dollar in bilateral trade, as Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal is currently
evaluating.
A key feature of the geoeconomic heart of the world moving from the West towards Asia is
that by the start of the next decade the petro-yuan and trade bypassing the US dollar will be
certified facts on the ground across Eurasia.
The NSS for its part promises to preserve "peace through strength." As Washington currently
deploys no less than 291,000 troops in 183 countries and has sent Special Ops to no less than
149 nations in 2017 alone, it's hard to argue the US is at "peace" – especially when the
NSS seeks to channel even more resources to the industrial-military complex.
"Revisionist" Russia and China have committed an unpardonable sin; they have concluded that
pumping the US military budget by buying US bonds that allow the US Treasury to finance a
multi-trillion dollar deficit without raising interest rates is an unsustainable proposition
for the Global South. Their "threat" – under the framework of BRICS as well as the SCO,
which includes prospective members Iran and Turkey – is to increasingly settle bilateral
and multilateral trade bypassing the US dollar.
It ain't over till the fat (golden) lady sings. When the beginning of the end of the
petrodollar system – established by Kissinger in tandem with the House of Saud way back
in 1974 – becomes a fact on the ground, all eyes will be focused on the NSS
counterpunch.
China and Russia been dumping US bonds for a good while.
They just have to do it slowly, so they can get as much cash, to buy stolen discounted
gold with from the British Anglo Zionist Empire, as possible without tanking the
market.
The Federal reserve, prints currency, "loans" it to USA corporation, at USURY rates,
gives this currency to other "sovereign" puppet states such as Belgium, who then act like
they are buying the bonds for themselves.
It is a scam. Those who trust the USA/British Empire, will wind up with worthless
paper, while the Usury bankers, their bosses, China and Russia, will wind up with
gold.
All you USA worshipers should understand something.
He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Guess the western sheep are going to be the bitc#s of China and Russia for the next
century or so.
Hey Tim or whatever. Yep you always win huh? Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria,
Sudan, .ring any bells I could go on but you have been embarrassed enough with your msm
drivel. Always the weak and defenseless you lily livered chicken's. You better avoid war
with the two most powerful countries in the world. Can you guess? and neither are you
pedos and babykillers. You make me sick and disgusted. Voted again the most threat to
world peace. Ussa, ussa, ussa. Proud are ya all. The time is coming where you reap what
you have sown and on that day I shall dance my happy dance that you feel what you and
your evil countrymen have wrought in the world in the name of democracy and freedom hope
it is on cable! You rotten to the core people!
Here here, the US Holocaust, countless millions killed all over the globe as the USA
plunders, wars and props-up evil, despot regimes. Bin Laden, Taleban, just two of the US
former best allies, how long can a 200 year old, degenerate country like the USA keep
sponging-off/ using exploiting the worlds billions to enrich itself? USA... infested with
drugs, crime, rust belts, slums, homeless, street bums VAST inequality.
The Empire sells other peoples gold to China and Russia everyday, having stole and
sold Americans gold long since.
Works like this.
The not Federal, and no Reserve(s) dollar, is worth about 1 cent, of a 1913, pre Usury
criminal banker scam "dollar".
That 1 % is swiftly loosing it's value.
To keep the American people, from realizing, the USA, is using them for cattle, stealing
their labor, through planned hyperinflation,:
Israhell/Washington crime cabal, dumps massive amounts of "paper gold and silver", on the
market, each and every damn day the rigged market is open, in order to artificially keep
the price of gold and silver way the hell below where it should be priced in federal
reserve currency.
This hide s the true inflation rate of the not federal and no reserves private Usury
Banker Currency, falsely identified as the "US Dollar".
Israhell/Washington DC, does not have the physical gold and silver to cover what they
sell.
It is a criminal scam.
Those who buy this paper gold and silver, small guy, will never be given physical for the
paper.
Small guy, traded green paper for white paper. Either will be worthless soon.
Sovereigns, can buy enough of it, to demand delivery of physical.
The day the British Anglo zionist Empire defaults delivering physical gold, to China and
Russia, for the paper gold, is the day the curtain comes down on the illusion of the USA
financial empire.
Washington DC knows this, China knows this, Russia knows this.
In order to buy time, Israhell/Washington DC, has stolen, sold at hugely discounted
prices, to keep the dollar scam alive, just a while longer, all the gold they were
supposably storing for safe keeping, of other sovereigns.
They have stolen privately held gold, which was stored in commercial banks and vaults for
"safe keeping.
They stole the gold which went missing from the basement vaults in the world trade
centers, before they set off the demolition charges.
Then they sold it.
They stole and sold Ukraines gold.
They stole and sold, Libya's gold.
They had intended to have already stole and sold Syria's gold.
They are fast running out of other peoples gold, to deliver to China and Russia at huge
discounts, to prop up the scam, just a while longer.
The day there is no more stolen gold to deliver to China and Russia, the music stops, all
the chairs are removed, this game of musical chars is over. Starving Americans will eat
their pets, rats, and each other.
Thanks Israhell!
Thanks Washington DC/USA.
I want more information on this. Isabella said a similar thing. I want to know more...
So the U$T's that are in actual fact worthless, Russia is using to buy gold at a huge
discount to what should be the true market rate; and then Russia is storing this. I
understand the storing thing. I'm a straight forward kind-of-a-guy. But its the U.$.T.'s
to Physical Gold I can't get my head around.
Why is the U.$. honouring what is a knife-to-its-throat deal that is very soon going
to result in the collapse of the U.$. dollar? And according to this forum fully 20% of
Russia's reserves are still held in fiat U.$.T's..?
Why would Russia hold such a large percentage if its reserves in what will be
worthless U.$.T.'s when it knows that the U.$. is going to try and scam Russia and
default..?
Picture a crime family.
Some branches are pure evil.
Some not so evil.
Some are very open about their evil.
Some are sneaky hypocrites who use the news media to white wash their crimes, and vilify
their victims.
BUT! And this is one huge BUT, they all know too much on each other to start talking
too damn much.
Also, their criminal Empire, (shearing/raping/murdering the sheep for fun and profit) is
all tied together. Common banks, common/interchangeable fiat currencies, Usury debt
practices.
Take part of it down, the other part will suffer great losses, if not go down with
them.
Russia, and China, has gotten tired of the British Anglo zionist Empire lording it over
them and treating them like red headed step children.
Russia and China, have not seen the Light, are not operating for the sake of their
people, but to keep themselves in power, by returning to the people, some of the wealth
they stole from the people to begin with
British Anglo zionist pig fkers Empire, is too greedy to return any of the stolen
loot.
The BAzE, have a let them eat grass like the animals they are elitist attitude.
China and Russia, are trying to position themselves to come out on top when the economic
reset happens.
They both were FORCED, by Empire, to both buy and hold, huge stashes of both Federal
reserve fiat currency, and bonds, to do business in the rest of the world.
The USA military is the enforcement arm for the BAzE.
USA military is corrupted, demoralized, veterans fked over royally, weapons do not work
as their purpose, was to steal the labor of the American working man and women, not to
produce weapons which worked as advertised.
Russia and China, will continue to buy gold, buy time, to get in a better position to
give Uncle Sugar's pedophilic ass both middle fingers.
It is in their interest to do so.
The owners of the British Anglo zionist Empire, have their personal vaults filled with
stolen gold.
The politicians you see, the Rothschild's even, are window dressing to hide the true
owners, and to protect the true owners asses during slave revolts, by offering, kings,
queens, politicians, bankers, heads to get chopped.
These owners have no loyalty to any other person, or country in the world. They see
themselves as the chess players, humanity as the pieces, the earth as their personal
chess board.
They do not give a FF about America, the American people, or the hand puppet political
whore of DC/USA.
The hand puppet whores, are too stupid, and corrupt anyway, to understand whats coming,
or to have the power, intelligence, or balls to stop it
There are all kinds of fun and wealth created, for deviant sick bastards, in creating,
and tearing down empires.
Besides, all the death and destruction gets them sexually excited
Takes years of study, experience with, and intuition, to begin to understand their evil,
and the way the world really works.
Whether someone started years back, educating themselves, preparing for whats coming,
will determine if they will enter the kill zone as a sheep or not.
The only protection sheep have, is the hope, the jackals will rape and murder some other
sheep, not them. That is why they will not stand up or speak up.
That is why they violently attack anyone wants to leave the herd mentality, everyone else
forced to be in the same sheep state as them,
They are afraid the jackal will notice them individually.
Herd numbers and hiding in the herd, are the cowards only protection
Any day now, any week, not very many months, can the scam go on.
In other words, Americans might want to bone up on delicious recipes for Rats, cats, and
their neighbors.
re: "China and Russia been dumping US bonds for a good while.
They just have to do it slowly, so they can get as much cash, to buy stolen discounted
gold with from the British Anglo Zionist Empire, as possible without tanking the
market."
I have been reading this for a while. But I've yet to see it in practice. Rosneft is
still accepting U.$. dollars for oil/gas transactions, the most recent of which I believe
was the gas shipment from St Petersburg to Poland..?
https://tomluongo.me/2017/1...
What you buy by petrodollars ?
Saudi .Arabia buys arms. But SA has got millions of unemployed people , because they
studied Islamic religion , wahabist fanaticism ... Further SA employs millions of workers
from other countries. And owns US assets in value over 1 trillion dollars. So what else
to buy , where to spend their petrodollars? Only get billions dollars arms ,that are in
couple years useless...Population hate the fully corrupt royal family in numbers
approximately 40 thousands princess as they have to get about 500 thousands yearly
salaries...For doing nothing , only to spend it everywhere...
Populations hate US presence in SA. Very much.
But the Great Satan~USA adore such scum as the vile Crooked Saudi royal family, the
snakehead USA ignore all their anti-democracy, anti- human rights their beheading, their
evil ways, they worship money the US swine, its all they see and lap-up, plus they have
Russia/ China /Iran to pick on and blame not their evil Saudi- swine arms buyers.
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At the moment, because the US is illegally holding gold prices down using uncovered
shorts on paper gold, and at the same time has used sanctions to devalue the rouble,
Russia is producing oil at reduced - rouble - rates, selling it on the international
market for U$, [artificially inflated] and buying massive amounts of cheap gold with the
huge profits she is making.
Russia is singing all the way to the bank right now. The US backed itself into a corner
on this one it cannot get out from - short of waging war on Russia !!!
Why should anyone who is in love with gold be upset if someone is holding the price
down? It should be a wonderful time to buy.
Russia is MINING gold, its own gold.
It is a great time to buy, if you have some spare cash to store, I agree. It's just a
poor time if you need to realise your gold - you wont get the price for it you should.
But indeed, it's a buyers market. Yes, Russia has a fair bit of gold "reserves" just
sitting in the ground.
There is the face the beast lets you see, and the real face of the beast.
You do not think the beast is stupid enough to show it's real face to all the sheep?
Really?
The sheep who are given personal attention in private places, see the real face of the
beast, because it sexually excites the beast for the chosen sheep to die bleating in
terror.
Guess you just got here you friggin troll. You know nothing you shill. Go back to the
basement mom has brought you dinner and cookies n milk and let the grown men talk, now
that is a good boy bye. Sorry John I have disappointed my Mom said be nice but idiots
bother me. Say hi to your lovely Mom for me and God bless. Merry Christmas everyone! Got
your back as always.
Glad you are so confident in the currency, which has lost 99% of it's buying power
since 1913, when the not Federal and no Reserve(s) was forced on the American people by
the Usury Banker ancestors of the owners of the 'Fed", buying USA politicians.
Where did that 99% value go?
To the I%ters. You know, the pedophile elite.
They want it all, they are coming for the other 1% of the "dollar's" value.
They are coming for Social security, government pensions, private pensions, checking
accounts, any thing with any value.
Oh by the way, just cause you are ignorant of how things work, don't mean they don't
work that way, just means you are ignorant.
Have a wonderful day now!
See mother, i was nice to the bad person who was trying to run interference for pedophile
baby rapers.
Good to see someone else Awake! A good portion of the Sheep are still sleeping, they
think the National Debt and Zero Interest Rates mean nothing (in the Eurozone Interest is
Negative). The US Dollar is soon to be Toilet Paper! Our Military can only overthrow
small countries that defy the PetroDollar system. Now with so many doing it, John
Carleton is right, the National Debt and Retirements Accounts are basically equal. That
is why Obutthead set the start of grabbing them by creating the MYRA, the Theory is the
Sheep are to stupid to manage their own retirement accounts, so the Government would grab
them and put them in a so called safe investment called "Treasury's". Unfortunately the
SS Trust Fund has been raided and is broke, but they do have drawers full of Treasuries.
Trump has to immediately open public lands for Mining & Drilling! A normalization of
Interest Rates to 5-6% would consume Government Revenues just to pay Interest on the
Debt!
Will work like this, they may already be doing it quietly.
Take private pensions.
They are already in trouble, having stocks, bonds, commercial real estate holdings.
All of these will become worthless, or close to it.
Anything with value, currency, decimal dollars, will be taken by the Washington thieves,
and worthless US bonds which will probably never be redeemed, or redeemed for chump
change, will be put in their place by Washington, as they "protect" the retirement
accounts.
Old people will eat rats, each other, dog and cats, die without medical care and meds
which they can not afford.
Some will eat their pistols.
Not going to be nice or orderly.
'Frankland Coverup Sex Scandal,
(pedophile prostitution ring being run out of Reagan's White House)
http://www.johnccarleton.or...
All pedo's, should be given a fair trial, and a fair hanging. A pedophile which was
given a fair trial, and a fair hanging, never again, raped a child.
Amazing how that works.
Correct and very easy at any given moment to be converted in a GOLD.Just follow
dynamic Russia and China buying GOLD on a world market and everything will be clear to
you
While all eyes are on the oil price and the ruble to dollar rate, the Central Bank of
Russia has quietly been buying huge volumes of gold over the past year. In January, 2016,
the latest data available, the Russian Central Bank again bought 22 tons of gold, around
$800 million at current exchange rates, that, amidst US and EU financial sanctions and
low oil prices. It was the eleventh month in a row they bought large gold volumes. For
2015 Russia added a record 208 tons of gold to her reserves compared with 172 tons for
2014. Russia now has 1,437 tonnes of gold in reserve, the sixth largest of any nation
according to the World Gold Council in London. Only USA, Germany, Italy, France and China
central banks hold a larger tonnage of gold reserves.
Notably also, the Russian central bank has been selling its holdings of US Treasury debt
to buy the gold, de facto de-dollarizing, a sensible move as the dollar is waging de
facto currency war against the ruble. As of December, 2015, Russia held $92 billion in US
Treasury Bonds down from $132 billion in January 2014.China bought another 17 tons of
gold in January and will buy a total of another 215 tons this year, approximately equal
to that of Russia. From August to January 2016 China added 101 tonnes of gold to its
reserves. Annual purchases of more than 200 tons by the PBOC would exceed the entire gold
holdings of all but about 20 countries, according to the World Gold Council. China's
central bank reserves of gold have risen 57% since 2009 acording to data the PBOC
revealed in July, 2015. Market watchers believe even that amount of gold in China's
central bank vaults is being politically vastly understated so as not to cause alarm
bells to ring too loud in Washington and London.
Dude stop your only making yourself look stupid by opening your gob and proving or in
this case writing. Merry Christmas or is it happy Hanukkah? Troll boy.
alexwest11 You are stupid ! a flat or house is real money you know ! They are
uneducated in Rothschild finance! are you a russlanddeutsche! or jew from holy ukraine
like poroschenko ?
Russia National Debt: $194,545,062,334
Interest per Year $12,805,556,000
Interest per Second $406
Debt per Citizen $1,330
Debt as % of GDP 19.32%
GDP $1,007,000,000,000
Population 146,300,000
Russia is one of the largest Countries by land mass with a sparse population after the
breakup of the Soviet Union. They run very low deficits and their National Debt is very
low, they are one of the Countries that is best prepared for a major economic crash.
oncefiredbrass alexwest11 • 28 minutes ago Russia
is one of the largest Countries by land mass with a sparse population
after the breakup of the Soviet Union. They run very low defic
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but facts say quite opposite!!!!!!!!
during oil selloff of 2008*9 Russian ruble fall 50%, from 23 to 37 per$
during oil selloff of 2014*15 Russian ruble fall 250 %, from 33 to almost 90 per$
right now its about 60 per $ , still 100% devaluation from 2014
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i don't remember $ fall against euro or yen during 2000 or/and 2008 crises in USA
The fall of the Ruble was an attack or sanction by the Obama Regime over Ukraine. Why
not trying to look up the Debt to GDP ratio for Russia and then the US and then ask
yourself what economy is actually in a better position to withstand a Depression. Russia
almost has enough Gold to back all their currency. How much gold would it take to back
all the Treasuries and Dollars that the US has spread all over the world?
Hey let the grown men talk baby boy! You are spouting msm talking points you're trying
to debate the choir about hymns. Your not going to make anyone here see the light because
you have no truths behind or in front. Msm drivel. One simple question! Who took Berlin?
In ww2 of course!
Me too. The U.S. has become the evil empire. The bully on the world stage stealing
everyone's lunch money. I know it will devastate us in Canada, but I would still rather
see the U.S. economy crumble if it would cripple their war machine, than to see this
situation go on. Ron Paul was right: Instead of war, why not pursue peaceful trade? But
the U.S. controllers want everyone else under their thumb as obedient serfs. It is evil.
And as Smedley Butler so bluntly put it "War is a Racket"! He said this because he was
sent to war with Guatemala on behalf of the United Fruit Company, aka Chiquita Brands
International. This time, they are trying to steal the lunch money from those who can
defend themselves. We aren't going to sit on our couch watching this war on TV, because
we will watch it out our front windows.
"... By contrast the reduction in the gas price Naftogaz refers to from $485/tcm to $352 tcm which Naftogaz makes much of in its statement appears to apply only to gas supplied to Ukraine by Gazprom in the second quarter of 2014 and still sets the price of gas supplied to Ukraine by Gazprom higher than was demanded by Ukraine during this period. ..."
"... Ukraine recently borrowed $3 billion on the international financial markets at very high interest almost certainly in order to pay the $3 billion the High Court in London has ordered it to pay Russia. Whilst the $2 billion is technically a debt owed by Naftogaz not Ukraine and its non-payment would does not place Ukraine in a state of sovereign default, Gazprom is in a position to enforce the debt against Naftogaz's assets (including gas it buys) in the European Economic Area. It is difficult to see how Naftogaz and Ukraine can avoid payment of this debt. ..."
"... Has Ukraine actually gained anything from its long running gas dispute with Russia? ..."
On Friday 21st December 2017 the Stockholm Arbitration Court made a ruling in the legal
dispute between Ukraine's state owned gas monopoly Naftogaz and Russia's largely state owned
gas monopoly Gazprom.
In the hours after the decision – which like all decisions of the Stockholm
Arbitration Court – is not published, Naftogaz claimed victory in a short statement.
However over the course of the hours which followed Gazprom provided details of the decision
which suggests that the truth is the diametric opposite.
Here is how the Financial Times reports
the competing claims
Both Ukraine's Naftogaz and Russia's Gazprom both on Friday claimed victory as a Stockholm
arbitration tribunal issued the final award ruling in the first of two cases in a three-year
legal battle between the state-controlled energy companies, where total claims stand at some
$80bn.
An emailed statement from the Ukrainian company was titled:
"Naftogaz wins the gas sales arbitration case against Gazprom on all issues in
dispute."
The Stockholm arbitration tribunal -- in its final award ruling in a dispute over gas
supplies from prior years -- had, according to Naftogaz, struck down Gazprom's claim to
receive $56bn for gas contracted but not supplied through controversial "take-or-pay"
clauses. They were included in a supply contract Ukraine signed in 2009 after Gazprom dented
supplies to the EU by cutting all flow amid a price dispute -- including transit through the
country's vast pipeline systems. In a tweet Ukraine's foreign minister
Pavlo Klimkin wrote: "The victory of Naftogaz in the Stockholm arbitration: It's not a
knockout, but three knockdowns with obvious advantage."
But later Gazprom countered that arbitors "acknowledged the main points of the contract
were in effect and upheld the majority of Gazprom's demands for payment for gas supplies",
worth over $2bn. A Naftogaz official responded that the company never refused to pay for gas
supplied, but challenged price and conditions.
Given the tribunal does not make its decisions public, doubt loomed over which side was
the ultimate winner. Anticipation also grew over the second and final tribunal award expected
early next year over disputes both have concerning past gas transit obligations.
Friday's final Stockholm arbitration ruling follows a preliminary decision from last May
after which both sides were given time to settle monetary claims outside of the tribunal but
failed to reach agreement.
Here is the full Naftogaz statement:
"Today, the Tribunal at the Arbitration Institute of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce has
completely rejected Gazprom take-or-pay claims to Naftogaz amounting to USD 56 billion for
2009-2017.
– Naftogaz succeeded at reducing future contract volume obligations by more than 10
times and made them relevant to its actual import needs.
– Price for gas off-taken by Naftogaz in 2Q 2014 reduced 27% from USD 485/tcm to USD
352/tcm. – Naftogaz saved USD 1.8 billion on gas purchased in 2014-2015 due to revision
of the contract price.
– Destination clause and other discriminatory provisions were declared invalid to
bring the contract in line with current European market standards.
– Naftogaz estimates the total positive financial effect of the arbitration over the
lifetime of the supply contract at over USD 75 billion.
– Naftogaz claims up to USD 16 billion in transit contract arbitration against
Gazprom; decision expected on 28 February 2018."
Gazprom said that in a separate decision on May 31 of this year, the tribunal denied
Naftogaz's application to review prices from May 2011 to April 2014, ordered it to pay $14bn
for gas supplies during that period, and said that the take-or-pay conditions applied for the
duration of the contract. Gazprom claimed that Naftogaz would have to pay it $2.18bn plus
interest of 0.03 per cent for every day the payments were late, and then pay for 5bn cm of
gas annually starting next year.
When the different sides give opposite accounts of the same decision it obviously becomes
difficult to say what the real decision actually is. However Gazprom says that the court upheld
(1) the main provisions of the contract; (2) the contract's take-or-pay provisions, these being
a particularly contentious issue in the contract; and (3) that Naftogaz has been ordered to pay
Gazprom $2 billion, presumably immediately, with interest for every day the amount is
unpaid.
By contrast the reduction in the gas price Naftogaz refers to from $485/tcm to $352 tcm
which Naftogaz makes much of in its statement appears to apply only to gas supplied to Ukraine
by Gazprom in the second quarter of 2014 and still sets the price of gas supplied to Ukraine by
Gazprom higher than was demanded by Ukraine during this period.
The key point here is that Russia agreed to reduce the price of gas supplied to Ukraine by
an agreement Russia's President Putin reached with Ukraine's President Yanukovich in December
2013. After the Maidan coup the new Ukrainian government went back on the agreement causing the
Russians to demand payment of the original price. However over the course of 2014, as energy
prices began first to slide and then crashed, and as it became clear that Ukraine was simply
not paying for its gas, Russia again reduced the price of the gas Ukraine had to pay.
What seems to have happened is that the Stockholm Arbitration Court decided to smooth out
the price of gas payable by Ukraine throughout 2014, which is the sort of thing arbitration
tribunals are regularly known to do, whilst leaving the essentials of the contract
unchanged.
If so then this is not a victory by Ukraine but a clearcut defeat, which Naftogaz and the
Ukrainian government have tried to spin into a victory by citing the reduction in the gas price
in the second quarter of 2014 and the reduction in future gas import volumes, neither of which
were contentious issues. By contrast it is clear that Ukraine and Naftogaz must pay the full
contractual price and abide by the contract's take-or-pay provisions for the whole of the
period of the contract prior to the second quarter of 2014.
What this means in terms of hard cash is that Ukraine must now pay Russia a further $2
billion on top of the $3 billion it was recently ordered to pay by the High Court in London.
Just as it is holding back on paying the $3 billion it was ordered to pay by the High Court
until the appeal process in London is finished, so it will try to hold off paying the $2
billion it has just been ordered to pay to Gazprom until the final decision of the Stockholm
Arbitration Court (thus the brave talk of Naftogaz's claims of "up to $16 billion transit
contract arbitration against Gazprom") but thereafter payment of the $2 billion will fall due.
I say this because the claim Gazprom owes Naftogaz "up to" $16 billion in transit fees looks
like it has been plucked out of the air.
What this means is that over the course of 2018 Ukraine will have to pay Russia $5 billion
($3 billion awarded by the High Court in London and $2 billion awarded by the Stockholm
Arbitration Court). Since the $2 billion awarded by the Stockholm Arbitration Court is
technically an arbitration award, Gazprom will need to convert it into a court Judgment before
it can enforce it, but that is merely a formality. At that point this debt will become not
merely due but legally enforceable as well.
Ukraine recently borrowed $3 billion on the international financial markets at very high
interest almost certainly in order to pay the $3 billion the High Court in London has ordered
it to pay Russia. Whilst the $2 billion is technically a debt owed by Naftogaz not Ukraine and
its non-payment would does not place Ukraine in a state of sovereign default, Gazprom is in a
position to enforce the debt against Naftogaz's assets (including gas it buys) in the European
Economic Area. It is difficult to see how Naftogaz and Ukraine can avoid payment of this
debt.
Has Ukraine actually gained anything from its long running gas dispute with Russia?
Naftogaz brags that Ukraine has saved up to $75 billion because it is no longer buying gas
from Russia. However this begs the question of whether the gas Ukraine is now importing from
Europe really is significantly cheaper than the gas Ukraine was buying from Russia? This is
debatable and with energy prices rising it is likely to become even less likely over time.
"... By Servaas Storm, Senior Lecturer at Delft University of Technology, who works on macroeconomics, technological progress, income distribution & economic growth, finance, development and structural change, and climate change. Originally published at the Institute for New Economic Thinking website ..."
"... Forget the myth of a savings glut causing near-zero interest rates. We have a shortage of aggregate demand, and only public spending and raising wages will change that. ..."
"... ceteris paribus ..."
"... simultaneously ..."
"... private households ..."
"... See original post for references ..."
"... This is the night of the expanding man I take one last drag as I approach the stand I cried when I wrote this song Sue me if I play too long This brother is free I'll be what I want to be ..."
by Yves Smith Yves here. This is a terrific takedown
of the loanable funds theory, on which a ton of bad policy rests.
By Servaas Storm, Senior Lecturer at Delft University of Technology, who works on macroeconomics, technological progress,
income distribution & economic growth, finance, development and structural change, and climate change. Originally published at the
Institute for New Economic Thinking website
Forget the myth of a savings glut causing near-zero interest rates. We have a shortage of aggregate demand, and only public
spending and raising wages will change that.
Introduction
Nine years after the Great Financial Crisis, U.S. output growth has not returned to its pre-recession trend, even after interest
rates hit the 'zero lower bound' (ZLB) and the unconventional monetary policy arsenal of the Federal Reserve has been all but exhausted.
It is widely feared that this insipid recovery reflects a 'new normal', characterized by "secular stagnation" which set in already
well before the global banking crisis of 2008 (Summers 2013, 2015).
This 'new normal' is characterized not just by this slowdown of aggregate economic growth, but also by greater income and wealth
inequalities and a growing polarization of employment and earnings into high-skill, high-wage and low-skill, low-wage jobs -- at
the expense of middle-class jobs (Temin 2017; Storm 2017). The slow recovery, heightened job insecurity and economic anxiety have
fueled a groundswell of popular discontent with the political establishment and made voters captive to Donald Trump's siren song
promising jobs and growth (
Ferguson and Page 2017 ).
What are the causes of secular stagnation? What are the solutions to revive growth and get the U.S. economy out of the doldrums?
If we go by four of the papers
commissioned by the Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) at its recent symposium to explore these questions, one headline
conclusion stands out: the secular stagnation is caused by a heavy overdose of savings (relative to investment), which is caused
by higher retirement savings due to declining population growth and an ageing labour force (Eggertson, Mehotra & Robbins 2017; Lu
& Teulings 2017; Eggertson, Lancastre and Summers 2017), higher income inequality (Rachel & Smith 2017), and an inflow of precautionary
Asian savings (Rachel & Smith 2017). All these savings end up as deposits, or 'loanable funds' (LF), in commercial banks. In earlier
times, so the argument goes, banks would successfully channel these 'loanable funds' into productive firm investment -- by lowering
the nominal interest rate and thus inducing additional demand for investment loans.
But this time is different: the glut in savings supply is so large that banks cannot get rid of all the loanable funds even when
they offer firms free loans -- that is, even after they reduce the interest rate to zero, firms are not willing to borrow more in
order to invest. The result is inadequate investment and a shortage of aggregate demand in the short run, which lead to long-term
stagnation as long as the savings-investment imbalance persists. Summers (2015) regards a "chronic excess of saving over investment"
as "the essence of secular stagnation". Monetary policymakers at the Federal Reserve are in a fix, because they cannot lower the
interest rate further as it is stuck at the ZLB. Hence, forces of demography and ageing, higher inequality and thrifty Chinese savers
are putting the U.S. economy on a slow-moving turtle -- and not much can be done, it seems, to halt the resulting secular stagnation.
This is clearly a depressing conclusion, but it is also wrong.
To see this, we have to understand why there is a misplaced focus on the market for loanable funds that ignores the role of fiscal
policy that is plainly in front of us. In other words, we need to step back from the trees of dated models and see the whole forest
of our economy.
The Market for Loanable Funds
In the papers mentioned, commercial banks must first mobilise savings in order to have the loanable funds (LF) to originate new
(investment) loans or credit. Banks are therefore intermediaries between "savers" (those who provide the LF-supply) and "investors"
(firms which demand the LF). Banks, in this narrative, do not create money themselves and hence cannot pre -finance investment
by new money. They only move it between savers and investors.
We apparently live in a non-monetary (corn) economy -- one that just exchanges a real good that everybody uses, like corn. Savings
(or LF-supply) are assumed to rise when the interest rate R goes up, whereas investment (or LF-demand) must decline when R increases.
This is the stuff of textbooks, as is illustrated by Greg Mankiw's (1997, p. 63) explanation:
In fact, saving and investment can be interpreted in terms of supply an demand. In this case, the 'good' is loanable funds,
and its 'price' is the interest rate. Saving is the supply of loans -- individuals lend their savings to investors, or they deposit
their saving in a bank that makes the loan for them. Investment is the demand for loanable funds -- investors borrow from the
public directly by selling bonds or indirectly by borrowing from banks. [ .] At the equilibrium interest rate, saving equals investment
and the supply of loans equals the demand.
But the loanable funds market also forms the heart of complicated dynamic stochastic general equilibrium (DSGE) models, beloved
by 'freshwater' and 'saltwater' economists alike (Woodford 2010), as should be clear from the commissioned INET papers as well. Figure
1 illustrates the loanable funds market in this scheme. The upward-sloping curve tells us that savings (or LF-supply) goes up as
the interest rate R increases. The downward-sloping curve shows us that investment (or LF-demand) declines if the cost of capital
(R) goes up. In the initial situation, the LF-market clears at a positive interest rate R0 > 0. Savings equal investment, which implies
that LF-supply matches LF-demand, and in this -- happy -- equilibrium outcome, the economy can grow along some steady-state path.
To see how we can get secular stagnation in such a loanable-funds world, we introduce a shock, say, an ageing population (a demographic
imbalance), a rise in (extreme) inequality, or an Asian savings glut, due to which the savings schedule shifts down. Equilibrium
in the new situation should occur at R1 which is negative. But this can't happen because of the ZLB: the nominal interest cannot
decline below zero. Hence R is stuck at the ZLB and savings exceed investment, or LF-supply > LF-demand. This is a disequilibrium
outcome which involves an over-supply of savings (relative to investment), in turn leading to depressed growth.
Ever since Knut Wicksell's (1898) restatement of the doctrine, the loanable funds approach has exerted a surprisingly strong influence
upon some of the best minds in the profession. Its appeal lies in the fact that it can be presented in digestible form in a simple
diagram (as Figure 1), while its micro-economic logic matches the neoclassical belief in the 'virtue of thrift' and Max Weber's Protestant
Ethic, which emphasize austerity, savings (before spending!) and delayed gratification as the path to bliss.
The problem with this model is that it is wrong (see Lindner 2015;
Taylor 2016
). Wrong in its conceptualisation of banks (which are not just intermediaries pushing around existing money, but which can create
new money ex nihilo ), wrong in thinking that savings or LF-supply have anything to do with "loans" or "credit," wrong because
the empirical evidence in support of a "chronic excess of savings over investment" is weak or lacking, wrong in its utter neglect
of finance, financialization and financial markets, wrong in its assumption that the interest rate is some "market-clearing" price
(the interest rate, as all central bankers will acknowledge, is the principal instrument of monetary policy), and wrong in the assumption
that the two schedules -- the LF-supply curve and the LF-demand curve -- are independent of one another (they are not, as Keynes
already pointed out).
I wish to briefly elaborate these six points. I understand that each of these criticisms is known and I entertain little hope
that that any of this will make people reconsider their approach, analysis, diagnosis and conclusions. Nevertheless, it is important
that these criticisms are raised and not shoveled under the carpet. The problem of secular stagnation is simply too important to
be left mis-diagnosed.
First Problem: Loanable Funds Supply and Demand Are Not Independent Functions
Let me start with the point that the LF-supply and LF-demand curve are not two independent schedules. Figure 1 presents savings
and investment as functions of only the interest rate R, while keeping all other variables unchanged. The problem is that the
ceteris paribus assumption does not hold in this case. The reason is that savings and investment are both affected by, and at
the same time determined by, changes in income and (changes in) income distribution. To see how this works, let us assume that the
average propensity to save rises in response to the demographic imbalance and ageing. As a result, consumption and aggregate demand
go down. Rational firms, expecting future income to decline, will postpone or cancel planned investment projects and investment declines
(due to the negative income effect and for a given interest rate R0). This means that LF-demand curve in Figure 1 must shift downward
in response to the increased savings. The exact point was made by Keynes (1936, p. 179):
The classical theory of the rate of interest [the loanable funds theory] seems to suppose that, if the demand curve for capital
shifts or if the curve relating the rate of interest to the amounts saved out of a given income shifts or if both these curves
shift, the new rate of interest will be given by the point of intersection of the new positions of the two curves. But this is
a nonsense theory. For the assumption that income is constant is inconsistent with the assumption that these two curves can shift
independently of one another. If either of them shift, then, in general, income will change; with the result that the whole schematism
based on the assumption of a given income breaks down In truth, the classical theory has not been alive to the relevance of changes
in the level of income or to the possibility of the level of income being actually a function of the rate of the investment.
Let me try to illustrate this using Figure 2. Suppose there is an exogenous (unexplained) rise in the average propensity to save.
In reponse, the LF-supply curve shifts down, but because (expected) income declines, the LF-demand schedule shifts downward as well.
The outcome could well be that there is no change in equilibrium savings and equilibrium investment. The only change is that the
'natural' interest is now R1 and equal to the ZLB. Figure 2 is, in fact, consistent with the empirical analysis (and their Figure
of global savings and investment) of Rachel & Smith. Let me be clear: Figure 2 is not intended to suggest that the loanable funds
market is useful and theoretically correct. The point I am trying to make is that income changes and autonomous demand changes are
much bigger drivers of both investment and saving decisions than the interest rate. Market clearing happens here -- as Keynes was
arguing -- because the level of economic activity and income adjust, not because of interest-rate adjustment.
Second Problem: Savings Do Not Fund Investment, Credit Does
The loanable funds doctrine wrongly assumes that commercial bank lending is constrained by the prior availability of loanable
funds or savings. The simple point in response is that, in real life, modern banks are not just intermediaries between 'savers' and
'investors', pushing around already-existing money, but are money creating institutions. Banks create new money ex nihilo
, i.e. without prior mobilisation of savings. This is illustrated by Werner's (2014) case study of the money creation process
by one individual commercial bank. What this means is that banks do pre-finance investment, as was noted by Schumpeter early
on and later by Keynes (1939), Kaldor (1989), Kalecki, and numerous other economists. It is for this reason that Joseph Schumpeter
(1934, p. 74) called the money-creating banker 'the ephor of the exchange economy' -- someone who by creating credit ( ex nihilo
) is pre-financing new investments and innovation and enables "the carrying out of new combinations, authorizes people, in the
name of society as it were, to form them." Nicholas Kaldor (1989, p. 179) hit the nail on its head when he wrote that "[C]redit money
has no 'supply function' in the production sense (since its costs of production are insignificant if not actually zero); it comes
into existence as a result of bank lending and is extinguished through the repayment of bank loans. At any one time the volume of
bank lending or its rate of expansion is limited only by the availability of credit-worthy borrowers." Kaldor had earlier expressed
his views on the endogeneity of money in his evidence to the Radcliffe Committee on the Workings of the Monetary System, whose report
(1959) was strongly influenced by Kaldor's argumentation. Or take Lord Adair Turner (2016, pp. 57) to whom the loanable-funds approach
is 98% fictional, as he writes:
Read an undergraduate textbook of economics, or advanced academic papers on financial intermediation, and if they describe
banks at all, it is usually as follows: "banks take deposits from households and lend money to businesses, allocating capital
between alternative capital investment possibilities." But as a description of what modern banks do, this account is largely fictional,
and it fails to capture their essential role and implications. [ ] Banks create credit, money, and thus purchasing power. [ ]
The vast majority of what we count as "money' in modern economies is created in this fashion: in the United Kingdom 98% of money
takes this form .
We therefore don't need savings to make possible investment -- or, in contrast to the Protestant Ethic, banks allow us to have
'gratification' even if we have not been 'thrifty' and austere, as long as there are slack resources in the economy.
It is by no means a secret that commercial banks create new money. As the Bank of England (2007) writes, "When bank make loans
they create additional deposits for those that have borrowed" (Berry et al. 2007, p. 377). Or consider the following statement
from the Deutsche Bundesbank (2009): "The commercial banks can create money themselves ." Across the board, central bank economists,
including economists working at the Bank for International Settlements (Borio and Disyatat 2011), have rejected the loanable funds
model as a wrong description of how the financial system actually works (see McLeay et al . 2014a, 2014b; Jakab and Kumhof
2015). And the Deutsche Bundesbank (2017) leaves no doubt as to how the banking system works and money is created in actually-existing
capitalism, stating that the ability of banks to originate loans does not depend on the prior availability of saving deposits. Bank
of England economists Zoltan Jakab and Michael Kumhoff (2015) reject the loanable-funds approach in favour of a model with money-creating
banks. In their model (as in reality), banks pre-finance investment; investment creates incomes; people save out of their incomes;
and at the end of the day, ex-post savings equal investment. This is what Jakab and Kumhoff (2015) conclude:
" . if the loan is for physical investment purposes, this new lending and money is what triggers investment and therefore,
by the national accounts identity of saving and investment (for closed economies), saving. Saving is therefore a consequence,
not a cause, of such lending. Saving does not finance investment, financing does. To argue otherwise confuses the respective macroeconomic
roles of resources (saving) and debt-based money (financing)."
Savings are a consequence of credit-financed investment (rather than a prior condition) -- and we cannot draw
a savings-investment cross as in Figure 1, as if the two curves are independent. They are not. There exists therefore no
'loanable funds market' in which scarce savings constrain (through interest rate adjustments) the demand for investment loans. Highlighting
the loanable funds fallacy, Keynes wrote in "The Process of Capital Formation" (1939):
"Increased investment will always be accompanied by increased saving, but it can never be preceded by it. Dishoarding and credit
expansion provides not an alternative to increased saving, but a necessary preparation for it. It is the parent, not the twin,
of increased saving."
This makes it all the more remarkable that some of the authors of the commissioned conference papers continue to frame their analysis
in terms of the discredited loanable funds market which wrongly assumes that savings have an existence of their own -- separate from
investment, the level of economic activity and the distribution of incomes.
Third Problem: The Interest Rate Is a Monetary Policy Instrument, Not a Market-Clearing Price
In loanable funds theory, the interest rate is a market price, determined by LF-supply and LF-demand (as in Figure 1). In reality,
central bankers use the interest rate as their principal policy instrument (Storm and Naastepad 2012). It takes effort and a considerable
amount of sophistry to match the loanable funds theory and the usage of the interest rate as a policy instrument. However, once one
acknowledges the empirical fact that commercial banks create money ex nihilo , which means money supply is endogenous, the
model of an interest-rate clearing loanable funds market becomes untenable. Or as Bank of England economists Jakab and Kumhof (2015)
argue:
modern central banks target interest rates, and are committed to supplying as many reserves (and cash) as banks demand at that
rate, in order to safeguard financial stability. The quantity of reserves is therefore a consequence, not a cause, of lending
and money creation. This view concerning central bank reserves [ ] has been repeatedly described in publications of the world's
leading central banks.
What this means is that the interest rate may well be at the ZLB, but this is not caused by a savings glut in the loanable funds
market, but the result of a deliberate policy decision by the Federal Reserve -- in an attempt to revive sluggish demand in a context
of stagnation, subdued wage growth, weak or no inflation, substantial hidden un- and underemployment, and actual recorded unemployment
being (much) higher than the NAIRU (see Storm and Naastepad 2012). Seen this way, the savings glut is the symptom (or
consequence ) of an aggregate demand shortage which has its roots in the permanent suppression of wage growth (relative
to labour productivity growth), the falling share of wages in income, the rising inequalities of income and wealth (Taylor 2017)
as well as the financialization of corporations (Lazonick 2017) and the economy as a whole (Storm 2018). It is not the cause of the
secular stagnation -- unlike in the loanable funds models.
Fourth Problem: The Manifest Absence of Finance and Financial Markets
What the various commissioned conference papers do not acknowledge is that the increase in savings (mostly due to heightened inequality
and financialization) is not channeled into higher real-economy investment, but is actually channeled into more lucrative financial
(derivative) markets. Big corporations like Alphabet, Facebook and Microsoft are holding enormous amounts of liquidity and IMF economists
have documented the growth of global institutional cash pools, now worth $5 to 6 trillion and managed by asset or money managers
in the shadow banking system (Pozsar 2011; Pozsar and Singh 2011; Pozsar 2015). Today's global economy is suffering from an unprecedented
"liquidity preference" -- with the cash safely "parked" in short-term (over-collateralized lending deals in the repo-market. The
liquidity is used to earn a quick buck in all kinds of OTC derivatives trading, including forex swaps, options and interest rate
swaps. The global savings glut is the same thing as the global overabundance of liquidity (partying around in financial markets)
and also the same thing as the global demand shortage -- that is: the lack of investment in real economic activity, R&D and innovation.
The low interest rate is important in this context, because it has dramatically lowered the opportunity cost of holding cash --
thus encouraging (financial) firms, the rentiers and the super-rich to hold on to their liquidity and make (quick and relatively
safe and high) returns in financial markets and exotic financial instruments. Added to this, we have to acknowledge the fact that
highly-leveraged firms are paying out most of their profits to shareholders as dividends or using it to buy back shares (Lazonick
2017). This has turned out to be damaging to real investment and innovation, and it has added further fuel to financialization (Epstein
2018; Storm 2018). If anything, firms have stopped using their savings (or retained profits) to finance their investments which are
now financed by bank loans and higher leverage. If we acknowledge these roles of finance and financial markets, then we can begin
to understand why investment is depressed and why there is an aggregate demand shortage. More than two decades of financial deregulation
have created a rentiers' delight, a capitalism without 'compulsions' on financial investors, banks, and the property-owning class
which in practice has led to 'capitalism for the 99%' and 'socialism for the 1%' (Palma 2009; Epstein 2018) For authentic Keynesians,
this financialized system is the exact opposite of Keynes' advice to go for the euthanasia of the rentiers ( i.e. design
policies to reduce the excess liquidity).
Fifth Problem: Confusing Savings with "Loans," or Stocks with Flows
"I have found out what economics is,' Michał Kalecki once told Joan Robinson, "it is the science of confusing stocks with flows."
If anything, Kalecki's comment applies to the loanable funds model. In the loanable fund universe, as Mankiw writes and as most commissioned
conference papers argue, saving equals investment and the supply of loans equals the demand at some equilibrium interest rate. But
savings and investment are flow variables, whereas the supply of loans and the demand for loans are stock variables.
Simply equating these flows to the corresponding stocks is not considered good practice in stock-flow-consistent macro-economic modelling.
It is incongruous, because even if we assume that the interest rate does clear "the stock of loan supply" and "the stock of loan
demand", there is no reason why the same interest rate would simultaneously balance savings ( i.e. the increase
in loan supply) and investment ( i.e. the increase in loan demand). So what is the theoretical rationale of assuming that
some interest rate is clearing the loanable funds market (which is defined in terms of flows )?
To illustrate the difference between stocks and flows: the stock of U.S. loans equals around 350% of U.S. GDP (if one includes
debts of financial firms), while gross savings amount to 17% of U.S. GDP. Lance Taylor (2016) presents the basic macroeconomic flows
and stocks for the U.S. economy to show how and why loanable funds macro models do not fit the data -- by a big margin. No interest
rate adjustment mechanism is strong enough to bring about this (ex-post) balance in terms of flows , because the interest
rate determination is overwhelmed by changes in loan supply and demand stocks . What is more, and as stated before, we don't
actually use 'savings' to fund 'investment'. Firms do not use retained profits (or corporate savings) to finance their investment,
but in actual fact disgorge the cash to shareholders (Lazonick 2017). They finance their investment by bank loans (which is newly
minted money). Households use their (accumulated) savings to buy bonds in the secondary market or any other existing asset. In that
case, the savings do not go to funding new investment -- but are merely used to re-arrange the composition of the financial portfolio
of the savers.
Final Problem: The Evidence of a Chronic Excess of Savings Over Investment is Missing
If Summers claims that there is a "chronic excess of savings over investment," what he means is that ex-ante savings are larger
than ex-ante investment. This is a difficult proposition to empirically falsify, because we only have ex-post (national accounting)
data on savings and investment which presume the two variables are equal. However, what we can do is consider data on (global) gross
and net savings rates (as a proportion of GDP) to see if the propensity to save has increased. This is what Bofinger and Ries (2017)
did and they find that global saving rates of private households have declined dramatically since the 1980s. This means,
they write, that one can rule out 'excess savings' due to demographic factors (as per Eggertson, Mehotra & Robbins 2017;
Eggertsson, Lancastre & Summers 2017; Rachel & Smith 2017; and Lu & Teulings 2017). While the average saving propensity of household
has declined, the aggregate propensity to save has basically stayed the same during the period 1985-2014. This is shown in Figure
3 (reproduced from Bofinger and Reis 2017) which plots the ratio of global gross savings (or global gross investment) to GDP against
the world real interest rate during 1985-2014. A similar figure can be found in the paper by Rachel and Smith (2017). What can be
seen is that while there has been no secular rise in the average global propensity to save, there has been a secular decline in interest
rates. This drop in interest rates to the ZLB is not caused by a savings glut, nor by a financing glut, but is the outcome of the
deliberate decisions of central banks to lower the policy rate in the face of stagnating economies, put on a 'slow-moving turtle'
by a structural lack of aggregate demand which -- as argued by Storm and Naastepad (2012) and Storm (2017) -- is largely due to misconceived
macro and labour-market policies centered on suppressing wage growth, fiscal austerity, and labour market deregulation.
To understand the mechanisms underlying Figure 3, let us consider Figure 4 which plots investment demand as a negative function
of the interest rate. In the 'old situation', investment demand is high at a (relatively) high rate of interest (R0); this corresponds
to the data points for the period 1985-1995 in Figure 3. But then misconceived macro and labour-market policies centered on suppressing
wage growth, fiscal austerity, and labour market deregulation began to depress aggregate demand and investment -- and as a result,
the investment demand schedule starts to shift down and to become more steeply downward-sloping at the same time. In response to
the growth slowdown (and weakening inflationary pressure), central banks reduce R -- but without any success in raising the gross
investment rate. This process continues until the interest rate hits the ZLB while investment has become practically interest-rate
insensitive, as investment is now overwhelmingly determined by pessimistic profit expectations; this is indicated by the new investment
schedule (in red). That the economy is now stuck at the ZLB is not caused by a "chronic excess of savings" but rather by a chronic
shortage of aggregate demand -- a shortage created by decades of wage growth moderation, labour market flexibilization, and heightened
job insecurity as well as the financialization of corporations and the economy at large (Storm 2018).
Conclusions
The consensus in the literature and in the commissioned conference papers that the global decline in real interest rates is caused
by a higher propensity to save, above all due to demographic reasons, is wrong in terms of underlying theory and evidence base. The
decline in interest rates is the monetary policy response to stalling investment and growth, both caused by a shortage of global
demand. However, the low interest rates are unable to revive growth and halt the secular stagnation, because there is little reason
for firms to expand productive capacity in the face of the persistent aggregate demand shortage. Unless we revive demand, for example
through debt-financed fiscal stimulus or a drastic and permanent progressive redistribution of income and wealth in favour of lower-income
groups (Taylor 2017), there is no escape from secular stagnation. The narrow focus on the ZLB and powerless monetary policy within
the framing of a loanable-funds financial system blocks out serious macroeconomic policy debate on how to revive aggregate demand
in a sustainable manner. It will keep the U.S. economy on the slow-moving turtle -- not because policymakers cannot do anything about
it, but we choose to do so. The economic, social and political damage, fully self-inflicted, is going to be of historic proportions.
It is not a secret that the loanable funds approach is fallacious (Lindner 2015; Taylor 2016; Jakab and Kumhof 2015). While academic
economists continue to refine their Ptolemaic model of a loanable-funds market, central bank economists have moved on -- and are
now exploring the scope of and limitations to monetary policymaking in a monetary economy. Keynes famously wrote that "Practical
men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.
Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." In
2017, things seem to happen the other way around: academic economists who believe themselves to be free thinkers are caught in the
stale theorizing of a century past. The puzzle is, as Lance Taylor (2016, p. 15) concludes "why [New Keynesian economists] revert
to Wicksell on loanable funds and the natural rate while ignoring Keynes's innovations. Maybe, as [Keynes] said in the preface to
the General Theory, "'The difficulty lies not in the new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones ..' (p. viii)"
Due to our inability to free ourselves from the discredited loanable funds doctrine, we have lost the forest for the trees. We
cannot see that the solution to the real problem underlying secular stagnation (a structural shortage of aggregate demand) is by
no means difficult: use fiscal policy -- a package of spending on infrastructure, green energy systems, public transportation and
public services, and progressive income taxation -- and raise (median) wages. The stagnation will soon be over, relegating all the
scholastic talk about the ZLB to the dustbin of a Christmas past.
"Forget the myth of a savings glut causing near-zero interest rates. We have a shortage of aggregate demand, and only public
spending and raising wages will change that."
But isn't "a savings glut" just the same as "a shortage of aggregate demand"? Or is Keynes so out of favor that this is outre
thinking?
The point is that the "saving glut" is caused bi unequal distribution of income, so it's a good thing that the "shortage of
aggregate demand" is stressed, but still it's just two names for the same thing.
In the end the "money creation" is needed because there is not a "money circulation", IMO.
Putting money into the broadest possible distribution and circulation is the key. It could be done with existing money through
taxation or with new money through the federal fiscal lever.
Given the "Tax Reform" just passed, odds on the first option look vanishingly long. The second option is what the elites do
whenever they want something, normally a war or tax cut. If they want a robust economy, eventually they will pull the fiscal lever.
Feudalism, however, may look better to our depraved current elite crop than any kind of broadly robust economy.
There was a link to an article yesterday called "I write because I hate" that described how incorrect and even dangerous metaphors
can be when it comes to understanding the world. Yours is a case in point.
But isn't "a savings glut" just the same as "a shortage of aggregate demand"
I'm not sure I entirely understand your complaint, but at a first glance a savings glut is one kind of demand shortage, but
not every kind of demand shortage can reasonably be called a savings glut. In one situation you have plenty of resource but no
use for it other than possible future use (savings glut -- you have everything you need so cease purchasing) and in another situation
you have insufficient resource (demand shortage -- you cease purchasing because you can't afford to purchase) but no savings glut.
You don't even have the resources you need for today, never mind saving for tomorrow.
Aye, that's exactly how I understand it, so it is not exactly a chicken-or-the-egg conflation to try to distinguish a savings
glut from a lack of demand.
You seem to have missed the point. The problem is wealth distribution. Mainstream economists don't distinguish who has the
savings in their simplistic models. When the rich already have a widget in every room of their mansion, they are not going to
buy more widgets no matter how low the price of widgets sink. And when the poor have no money, they will not be able to buy the
widgets no matter how much they want them. Demand is not just a function of price. To increase demand, we need a more equitable
form of wealth distribution.
One major difference, according to the author, is that the lack of aggregate demand exists, while the savings glut does not.
The fact of companies sitting on liquidity, is detached from investment, for which they borrow. That investment is lacking because
they do not see good investments, because of a lack of aggregate demand. if they did invest, it would not be constrained
by their 'savings'.
"But this time is different: the glut in savings supply is so large that banks cannot get rid of all the loanable funds even
when they offer firms free loans -- that is, even after they reduce the interest rate to zero, firms are not willing to borrow
more in order to invest."
That needs some explanation. Banks are not offering US businesses free money (excerpt briefly during the Crash). BBB bonds
yields are aprox 4.3% -- and most businesses cannot borrow at that rate (excerpt when posting collateral).
For comparison over long time horizons, the real (ex-CPI) BBB corporate bond rate is 2.5% to 3% -- in the middle of its range
from 1952-1980.
We have considered the political reasons for the opposition to the policy of creating employment by government spending.
But even if this opposition were overcome -- as it may well be under the pressure of the masses -- the maintenance of full
employment would cause social and political changes which would give a new impetus to the opposition of the business leaders.
Indeed, under a regime of permanent full employment, the 'sack' would cease to play its role as a 'disciplinary measure. The
social position of the boss would be undermined, and the self-assurance and class-consciousness of the working class would
grow. Strikes for wage increases and improvements in conditions of work would create political tension. It is true that profits
would be higher under a regime of full employment than they are on the average under laissez-faire, and even the rise in wage
rates resulting from the stronger bargaining power of the workers is less likely to reduce profits than to increase prices,
and thus adversely affects only the rentier interests. But 'discipline in the factories' and 'political stability' are more
appreciated than profits by business leaders. Their class instinct tells them that lasting full employment is unsound from
their point of view, and that unemployment is an integral part of the 'normal' capitalist system.
In other words, one potential reason for business to oppose any efforts at addressing the problem is that the people would
have more bargaining power. The elite are not after absolute wealth or power, but relative power over the rest of us.
Imagine for example if the alternative was passed say some form of social democracy with full employment and MMT policy.
This would undermine in their view their ability to dominate over the rest of us. Now they may arguably be richer (ex: we might
see more money for productive parts of society like say, disease research), but they are willing to give that up for dominating
us. That is what we are up against.
If what you say is true (re social democracy + MMT policies), how then to consider for even one second the further existence
of a business cadre dedicated to upending such an agreement? We always theorize as if an actual resistance to "our" policies will
melt away with the displacement of elite political control. I remember Chile and the "strikes" called to bring down Allende.
The innocence of our imaginations is not only disturbing, but dangerous. Once power is gained and capital has been put in its
place, the fight begins right there, anew. Unless we wish to fall into Stalinist methods of "resolution", consideration for alternate
methods of economic control, and an anticipation of backlash, are in demand if the "people" are to prevail.
In my experience as a union organizer and negotiator the opposition by many employers to unions is not particularily because
of money, but because of power and the erosion of the employer's grip of it by the collective action of workers. Many times in
my experience employers have spent a boatload more money on fighting workers and hiring union-busting attorneys than whatever
wage and benefit increase is being proposed. These employers are acting from their political self-interest rather than the narrow
economic self-interest that is commonly assumed.
Great comments -- the motivation behind the ideas is a need for power and control.
You can look at the first 20 years of the Cold War as a domestic experiment in social control: incomes were allowed to rise
for most people, and inequality was moderated in the interest of politically consolidating the country to support arming and fighting
the war.
By the early 70s our handlers -- as shown in the Powell Memo, say -- had tired of the experiment. With more income, free time,
and education, women, students, non-white people, and the newly prosperous working class were entering into contention on every
terrain imaginable -- and that had to reduced to a manageable level. So they "leaned-out the mix", reduced income for most people,
and bumped up the level of indebtedness and indoctrination.
Now the fuel-air mix is so lean that the engine is starting to miss (for example, the Trump election and the Sanders challenge
to the Dem elite). But it looks like they have no other idea but to double-down on austerity. I guess they assume they can maintain
global financial and military hegemony on the backs of a sick, unfit, indebted, and politically fractious population -- an iffy
proposition. No wonder they seem desperate.
The Trump/Republican tax law tells us (if we needed another message) that the link between economic policy and economic theory
is so weak as the bring into question the point of theorizing in the first place, apart, of course, from convincing (semi)-smart
but fearful people to remain timid in the face of powerful lunacy. Government spending to replace worn out capital, to satisfy
basic material needs of the population, and to underwrite investment in an environmental and educational future worth creating
is, OBVIOUSLY, a no-no to Wall Street, war profiteers, and the large population of yes-men and women who promote fear among the
middle class. We should spend less time contesting economic thinking that is nonsense. Instead why not spend time proposing and
explaining fairly obvious fiscal strategies that will promote a better society, as well as the time that will be needed to defend
these life-affirming proposals against the scholastic nonsense that our saltwater and freshwater scaredy-cat friends will put
out every day to explain why what we propose will wreck Civilization. Let's go on the offense for a change.
precisely, but for the forementioned scholastic nonsense of our salty and fresh feline friends, one would need a salient and
orchestrated defense, as to why such meddling with traditional economic trajectories, will mean that: by foregoing my 'short sided
2018 increase in my personal deduction', will I actually allow myself to feel benign about the sagging state of civilization,
that those 'cats of all breeds', have so eloquently perpetuated upon a 'generation of our peers'.
calling 'message central', the 'greater good awaits'. Yes
I still can't get my head around the fact that these models can persist in the economics literature whilst everyone knows they
are based on flawed assumptions. In science these would quickly end up as part of some distant history. Someone would publish
another model, and slowly everyone would start working with it if it had strong explanatory power. Imagine the grief that climate
modellers would get if theirs models were so poorly grounded.
Thank you for this post. It was as good as Michael Hudson and all the clear thinkers you post for us. Since we got rid of Greenspan
(who admitted that interest rates had no effect on the economy but still freaked out about inflaltion), Bernanke and then Yellen
have had better instincts – not straightforward, but better. If central banks know the loanable funds theory to be nonsense, the
battle is mostly won. MMT will be the logical next step. Public spending/infrastructure is just good grassroots policy that serve
everyone. Even dithering goofballs like Larry Summers. And, as implied above, public spending takes care of the always ignored
problem of private debt levels which suck productive spending and investment out of the economy, because unemployment. It's hard
to believe that academics have been so wrong-headed for so long without any evidence for their claims. Steve Keen's premise, that
these academics ignore both the existence of private debt and the importance of dwindling energy sources is also addressed above.
Storm's point – also made by both old hands and new MMT – that there is not a problem with inflation (too much) if there are slack
resources seems to have morphed into an ossified rule whereby some inflexible academics see slack resources as scarce resources.
What is slack is always a political definition. What is slack today is a filthy environment; there is a great surplus of it. Enormously
slack. That's the good news.
Globalization is a disaster wherever you care to look.
Big corporations like Alphabet, Facebook and Microsoft are holding enormous amounts of liquidity . . .
A better example is Apple, with it's roughly 1/4 trillion dollar cash hoard, beaten out of their Chinese work force in collusion
of the Chinese elite. With wages crushed here and there, because they don't want to pay anyone anything anywhere, where will demand
come from? The Chinese peasant slaving away on an Apple farm has a few square feet of living space, like a broiler chicken in
a Tyson cage so where is she going to put the new furniture she can't afford?
Banks create credit, money, and thus purchasing power. [ ] The vast majority of what we count as "money' in modern economies
is created in this fashion: in the United Kingdom 98% of money takes this form .
The banks are the MMT practicing intermediary between the federal government and the peasants.
So much goodness, don't know where to start. It's a long post. It's my day (singular) off. I'm going long. Deacon Blues* applies.
This:
Ever since Knut Wicksell's (1898) restatement of the doctrine, the loanable funds approach has exerted a surprisingly strong
influence upon some of the best minds in the profession. Its appeal lies in the fact that it can be presented in digestible
form in a simple diagram (as Figure 1), while its micro-economic logic matches the neoclassical belief in the 'virtue of thrift'
and Max Weber's Protestant Ethic, which emphasize austerity, savings (before spending!) and delayed gratification as the path
to bliss.
Now we're talking. This puts the doctrine in the context of its parent beliefs.
The way I see it, beliefs:economics as operating system:application as mythology:religion. So shorter Storm: The LFF is a BS
application for a BS OS.
Been dawning on me lately how neoliberalism is the spawn of a degenerate parent belief system, too. I was even thinking of
Weber just the other day.
By speaking in apparently objective, pragmatic, "realistic" terms, public figures are notorious for "dog-whistling" their occult
beliefs in terms their congregations hear loud and clear. When Her Royal Clinton's even more notoriously damned to hell half the
population as "deplorables," she tipped her hand. The obscure term, ephors, is very instructive here.
To refesh the readers memory, "Schumpeter (1934, p. 74) called the money-creating banker 'the ephor of the exchange economy'
-- someone who by creating credit (ex nihilo) is pre-financing new investments and innovation and enables "the carrying out of
new combinations, authorizes people, in the name of society as it were, to form them."
Not so fast, though. Who were the original ephors?
Herodotus claimed that the institution was created by Lycurgus, while Plutarch considers it a later institution. It may
have arisen from the need for governors while the kings were leading armies in battle. The ephors were elected by the popular
assembly, and all citizens were eligible for election. They were forbidden to be reelected. They provided a balance for the
two kings, who rarely cooperated with each other. Plato called them tyrants who ran Sparta as despots, while the kings were
little more than generals. Up to two ephors would accompany a king on extended military campaigns as a sign of control, and
they held the authority to declare war during some periods in Spartan history.[2]
According to Plutarch,[3] every autumn, at the crypteia, the ephors would pro forma declare war on the helot population
so that any Spartan citizen could kill a helot without fear of blood guilt.[4] This was done to keep the large helot population
in check.
The ephors did not have to kneel down before the Kings of Sparta and were held in high esteem by the citizens, because of
the importance of their powers and because of the holy role they earned throughout their functions.
Ain't that something. We don't call it "class war" for nothing. More on the crypteia:
The Crypteia or Krypteia (Greek: κρυπτεία krupteía from κρυπτός kruptós, "hidden, secret things") was an ancient Spartan
state institution involving young Spartan men. Its goal and nature are still a matter of discussion and debate among historians,
but some scholars (Wallon) consider the Krypteia to be a kind of secret police and state security force organized by the ruling
classes of Sparta, whose purpose was to terrorize the servile helot population. Others (Köchly, Wachsmuth) believe it to be
a form of military training, similar to the Athenian ephebia.
So Schumpeter's metaphor is way too apt for comfort. Gets right under my skin.
For a modern equivalent of the pro forma declaration of civil war, I'm thinking "election cycle." Hippie-punching and
all that goes a long way back, eh?
Let's cut to the chase: what's all this talk of econ as religion telling us? ISTM arguing with neoliberals as they frame the
debate is like arguing with theologians in their terms. My learning psych professor, Robert Bolles, regarding the dismantling
of ascendant BS models, always said, you don't take down an enormous tree leaf by leaf, you go where it meets the ground. Where
does neoliberalism meet the ground? And its parent belief system?
Neoliberalism is so poorly grounded, it's shorting out all over the place. This could be easier than it looks. Storm's argument
is compelling (at least to this newbie). What are its other weakest links? (Not being rhetorical here. I really don't know. A
little help?)
Speaking of Weber, one of the major factors in the Reformation was the utter failure of the Catholic church to be able to produce
a valid calendar
. The trouble is of course, in their mythos, you have to perform the proper rituals at the proper time and often in the proper
place, or you will fry in hell forever and ever amen.
Obviously, then, the calculation of the equinox assumed considerable and understandable importance. If the equinox was wrong,
then Easter was celebrated on the wrong day and the placement of most of the other observances -- such as the starts of Lent
and Pentecost -- would also be in error.
As the Julian calendar was far from perfect, errors did indeed begin to creep into the keeping of time. Because of the inherent
imprecision of the calendar, the calculated year was too long by 11 minutes and 14 seconds. The problem only grew worse with
each passing year as the equinox slipped backwards one full day on the calendar every 130 years. For example, at the time of
its introduction, the Julian calendar placed the equinox on March 25. By the time of the Council of Nicea in 325, the equinox
had fallen back to March 21. By 1500, the equinox had shifted by 10 days.
The 10 days were of increasing importance also to navigation and agriculture, causing severe problems for sailors, merchants,
and farmers whose livelihood depended upon precise measurements of time and the seasons. At the same time, throughout the Middle
Ages, the use of the Julian calendar brought with it many local variations and peculiarities that are the constant source of
frustration to historians. For example, many medieval ecclesiastical records, financial transactions, and the counting of dates
from the feast days of saints did not adhere to the standard Julian calendar but reflected local adjustments. Not surprisingly,
confusion was the result.
The Church Saves Time
[Doncha just love that succinct bit of myth-making? smh]
The Church was aware of the inaccuracy, and by the end of the 15th century there was widespread agreement among Church leaders
that not celebrating Easter on the right day -- the most important and most solemn event on the calendar -- was a scandal.
A functioning mythology tells one how to be human right now. The Catholic church couldn't even tell people what date it was,
putting not just ephemeral souls in peril should one die, even more of a daily dread in those days, but lives and property were
increasingly at risk.
ISTM we're in an analogous situation. Our two high holies, Wall Street and Washington, DC, are increasingly irrelevant to us
helots. They're of no use to us in ordering our daily lives. In fact, they've becoming openly hostile, dropping any pretense of
governing for the common good, and I'm not referring only to Trump, eg, whatever happened to habeas corpus ? "If you like
your health plan, you can keep it." The betrayals come fast and furious, too fast to keep up.
Others are rejecting science. A schism here, a schism there, pretty soon it all cracks up one day "outta nowhere." And I do
mean "one day."
Moving right along, let's look at "the virtue of thrift."
In the formative years of United States history, prominent thinkers such as Ben Franklin promoted a "thrift ethic" that
encouraged hard work, frugal spending on self and generous giving to charity, he asserted, maintaining "thrift" was simply
the secular term for the religious stewardship principle . And institutions developed to support that ethic, he noted.
That's what I'm saying: secular institutions are the operationalizations, the applications, of belief systems, and further,
we can study them instead of just saying "religion = bad = no further analysis required" and then dismissing it all out of hand.
As with LF-supply and LF-demand, secular and sectarian are not the independent variables they're made out to be, as argued
so well by Cook & Ferguson right here on NC in The
Real Economic Consequences of Martin Luther , eg, "[Henry VIII] did not abolish the papacy so much as take the pope's place."
Same goes for today, IMNSHO: Our "secular" leaders are sectarian high priests in mufti.
The Baptist article also goes on to say what the flock people should do: ignore Wall St. and DC. Unsuprisingly, it's also chock
full of punching downwards and victim-blaming. Payday lending and lotteries are to blame, they say. People just need to be more
thrifty , which apparently means, impoverish yourself for the betterment of your betters. Or else.
When HRC damned half of us to Hell, she was dog-whistling loud and clear in a tradition going at least as far back as the wars
of the ephors on the helots. When the high priests of our high holy temples of finance tell us we need more austerity, although
they speak in terms apparently objective and especially dispassionate, it's nothing but the failed preachings of the failed priests
of a failed church.
Looked at as comparative mythology, and speaking empirically as well (much obliged to the present author and our hosts, sincerely)
neoliberalism is no way of being human.
Sure, us nerds get that. But wonky discussions don't move people. The execrable Mario Cuomo is credited with saying, "You campaign
in poetry, you govern in prose," and I think it's profoundly true. Telling my friends we've debunked the Loanable Funds Fallacy
will get me nowhere.
Oy vey. The immense satisfaction I had been feeling, of seeing through neoliberalism all the way to its core, sure was short
lived. Now I need to know what MMT says about being human. This is what happens when you start thinking in words, you know. It
never ends!
I've heard Steve Keen's writing won't be much help in popularizing MMT in time. Who's a witty MMTer? Who can express its way
of being human in one-liners? Who's punchy?
(Administrivia: "Suppose there is an exogenous (unexplained) *rise* in the average propensity to save. In reponse, the LF-supply
curve shifts down ." Shouldn't that be "drop"?)
* This is the night of the expanding man
I take one last drag as I approach the stand
I cried when I wrote this song
Sue me if I play too long
This brother is free
I'll be what I want to be
Very interesting rant, Knowbuddhau. Imo all we have to do is get over gold. It made sense before the days of sovereign fiat
that you saved your coins before you spent them. How else? But fiat is the essential spirit of money while gold was/is a craze.
And the Neoliberals are unenlightened just like the Neocons against whom they pretend to react. But they are reactionaries regardless.
That's their problem. All reaction, no action. When Storm refers to Kalecki above saying the original sin of economics was confusing
stocks with flows, I take it to mean confusing fiat with gold in a sense. Once upon a time a store of value (a pouch full of gold
coins) was the same thing as a medium of exchange. Not any more. Fiat is the only mechanism, spent in advance to promote social
well being, that can create an "economy" in this world of zillions of people.
Isn't a bit of an irony that the academic papers being debunked here were commissioned by the Institute for *New* Economic
Thinking ? Sad to see its also been corrupted by the neoliberal virus (political Ebola).
The author writes about the fuctional LF paradigm: "Banks, in this narrative, do not create money themselves and hence cannot
pre -finance investment by new money. They only move it between savers and investors." -- Note that that narrative doesn't
even make sense *within* the loanable-funds model, because with fractional reserve banking, even if banks were required to loan
against pre-existing deposits, they could amplify each dollar of same into multiple units of newly-created credit money. The fact
that what really happens goes even further and entirely omits the need for pre-existing funds from the banks' monetary legerdemain
is the reason for my pet term for the "loans create deposits" reality: "fictional reserve banking."
Aggregate demand increases investment only to the extant that it increases profitable opportunities. If costs remain constant,
then obviously an increase in demand increases profitability. But an increase in wages doesn't merely increase aggregate demand,
it also increases aggregate costs because that's what a wage is to a firm. If aggregate wages were boosted by $1 trillion, consumption
will be boosted by less than 100% of that (workers will save some of their increased income) while firms will have to pay the
full $1 trillion in increased wages if they are to employ the workers. So how is increasing wages supposed to increase profitability
and investment? It seems like it would do the opposite.
We really need to look more at profit. The aggregate profit rate is determined by the cost of the total capital employed in
relation to the output. If the costs rise faster than productivity growth, then profitability falls. How do aggregate costs rise?
By capital accumulation, by an increase in savings and investment. Thus, it would seem that stagnation can only be reached if
too much capital has been accumulated without a corresponding increase in productivity. This hypothesis doesn't rely on the loanable
funds theory (it doesn't matter whether the money exists before it is spent), but it is more similar to the savings glut explanation
because it is the accumulation of capital that leads to the fall in profitability. The suppression of wages is an effect, an attempt
to create profitable opportunities when there are none.
Your model is correct when you limit yourself to the variables in your model. Real life economies are complex, dynamic interactions
of many variables. At different times some variable become more important than others.
I think your variable, capital accumulation, is itself a complicated mix of many variables. Sometimes the cost of "capital
accumulation" may be controlling, and sometimes not. It also depends on which variables within capital accumulation are having
the most impact.
I think one of the major problems of the theory of supply and demand is that it may be true as a static model (all other things
being equal), but the economy (and life) are not static. Unless you can take dynamic effects into account, then this static or
even quasi-static model will just not represent what actually happens. This is just another way of saying what this article says.
Over time, the supply curve and the demand curve interact. There is hardly, if any, point in time when all other things aren't
changing.
In my world of simulating the behavior of integrated circuits, the problem involves non-linear differential equations, not
just non-linear algebraic equations.
Here is another problem. " by the national accounts[,] identity of saving and investment (for closed economies),"
Accounting is also a static snapshot of a dynamic system. A bank creates a loan payable in let's say 30 years. The spending
occurs immediately. In accounting terms these two items balance. However, on impact on the economy, they do not balance. Why else
would capitalism have noticed the value of buy now, pay later?
This is no longer a chicken and egg problem of which came first, the chicken or the egg. In real life, there are lots of chickens
and lots of eggs. Which came first is irrelevant. Chickens create eggs and eggs create chickens.
Models are a simplification of reality. They apply best when the things that were simplified away don't matter much. They fail
when the things that were simplified away become important. So, when does the loanable funds model apply?
IMHO, the loanable funds model applies when there is a run on the bank. When the fractional reserve banking system is running
smoothly, the loanable funds model is irrelevant. That's why banks have reserves and monetary systems have central reserve banks.
These reserve systems let us ignore loanable funds models.
As reported by the permanent representative of the International Monetary Fund in the
Ukraine, Jost Longman, the Kiev authorities should increase Ukrainian gas tariffs to the level
of import parity. Longman argues that an increase in gas prices will have a positive effect on
the development of the free market and will teach the Ukrainians to use natural gas
economically. "In the end, the final goal is the implementation of a free gas market. On the
way to this, it is important to continue to adjust the price of gas in accordance with the
price of imports", said Longman. "One price for all types of consumer also eliminates the space
for corruptio," he added.
On 20 Dec., a court in Slovakia stopped gas supplies to "Naftogaz of Ukraine". The
decision was made pursuant to the decision of the Stockholm arbitration over a claim made by
the Italian company IUGas that its Ukrainian consumer owed it money.
The total amount of the claim, including interest and penalties, is approximately $21
million. An arbitration ruling was accepted on 19 December 2012 and relates to unpaid 2007
transactions .
Under international law, if the defendant has not fulfilled the resolution of the
arbitration, the plaintiff may apply to the courts of other states with a request that the
ruling be executed.
"Naftogaz of Ukraine" is analyzing the situation to determine its next steps, according
to the Ukrainian edition "Mirror of the Week".
For 11 months of 2017, "Naftogaz of Ukraine" had bought in Eastern Europe 20.9 billion
cubic metres of gas. Most of the supplies -- more than 8 billion cubic metres -- are in
Slovakia.
As written in iz.ru, arbitration is under consideration in Stockholm as regards the
lawsuit made by "Gazprom" against "Naftogaz", the decision on which will be issued by the court
no later than February next year. The adjusted amount of the claims made by the Russian company
was more than $ 37 billion.
All this is the Aggressor State's doing!
For the sake of freedom and democracy, the Ukraine must be supported!
Gazprom has responded to Naftogaz's statements about victory in court
The Stockholm arbitration has satisfied most of Gazprom's claims made against Naftogaz
Ukraine regarding payment for supplied gas, the company has said in a statement. In Moscow.
They stressed that the main demands of the Ukrainian side by the court had been
rejected.
The court did not recognize the right of Naftogaz to review the price of gas, the
deliveries of which were carried out from May 2011 to April 2014. Also, the Ukrainian side
was denied recovery of overpayment. Gazprom noted that the court found it necessary to apply
the "take or pay" principle (annual payment of a minimum amount of gas) before the expiry of
the contract.
"Naftogaz" has to pay back $2 billion in arrears and interest for late payment to
Gazprom. The Ukrainian side is also obliged from next year to take 5 billion cubic metres
from Russia annually.
Earlier on Friday, Naftogaz said that the court had awarded the victory to the
Ukrainian side. In Kiev, they stressed that Gazprom's "take-or-pay" requirements had been
"completely" rejected by the court, and the gas price for the second quarter of 2014 had been
lowered to $ 352 per thousand cubic metres.
The court considered contracts for the supply of gas from Russia to the Ukraine, as
well as gas transit through the Ukraine. They were signed back in 2009. The Ukraine, insisted
"Gazprom", did not get any gas 2012-2014, and also in individual quarters of 2015 and 2016.
"Naftogaz" asked the court to review the gas prices, and that overpayment be reimbursed and
that the ban on further resale of gas be cancelled.
Kremlin propaganda from a "Kremlin controlled" newspaper?
"Naftogaz won the gas sales arbitration case against Gazprom on all issues in dispute,"
Naftogaz said in an emailed statement.
It said the ruling was worth around $75 billion to Naftogaz in the long term, but
did not give a breakdown on how it reached the estimate. [My stress -- ME]
Meanwhile Gazprom said the court had satisfied most of Gazprom's claims and ruled that
the main terms of the contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom were valid.
Gazprom said the Stockholm court had ordered Naftogaz to pay more than $2 billion to
Gazprom for gas supply arrears and that it had also ordered Naftogaz to buy 5 bcm of gas from
Gazprom annually from 2018.
Estimated $75 billion in the "long term"?
Have to pay $2 billion to Gazprom in arrears now (not mention interest).
From 2018 (i.e. in just over a week's time) have to buy annually 5 bcm of gas off the
"aggressor state".
Of course; that's what Klimkin told them. Why should they check? Klimkin is always reliable,
and I'm sure he tweeted a press statement directly to them. Let them hold a Naftogaz victory
party if that's what they feel like doing. Just don't spend Russia's money on it. Because I
notice Ukraine has to pay Russia. I did not see anything in there about Russia having to pay
Ukraine. And so Ukraine can have all of that kind of victories it wants.
Ultimately, the court greatly reduced the amount of gas that Ukraine is contractually
obligated to buy from Russia. From 2018, "Naftogaz" should annually take and pay for up to 5
billion cubic metres instead of the original 52 billion cubic metres in any case it means the
resumption of gas purchases in Russia, which stopped in 2015, since when "Naftogaz" has been
buying all its fuel through reverse flow from Europe.
Investors should "think twice" about putting money into Nord Stream 2 due to
"uncertainties" around the Russian pipeline, the EU energy commissioner told
EUobserver.
"I would really think twice, or many more times, simply because there are a lot of
uncertainties," Maros Sefcovic said in an interview.
"It's the decision of the project promoters if they want to proceed in this atmosphere
which might lead to legal disputes down the line," he said
"Nord Stream 2 is supported by five major western European energy companies that have
each committed up to almost €1 billion to the implementation of the pipeline," the
consortium's Sebastian Sass said.
"It shows that there is both market demand and great confidence in Nord Stream 2," he
added.
Stefan Meister, an expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations, a think tank in
Berlin, also said Russia had little to worry about from the EU.
"In Germany the overall impression is, that the project will come Merkel is not against
it. That means she supports it," he said.
Meister said the fact Gazprom was prepared to dig into its own pockets meant "the
investment risks are limited". He added that energy companies were used to working "in an
even more risky environment" in other parts of the world.
"Except the US sanctions, there are no real risks to stop the project," he said
####
Plenty more of Sefcovic blowing hot air out of every orifice at the link. Did someone slip
him some cocaine instead of sugar in his coffee before the interview? All mouth and no
trousers.
"... I'd like to believe either the Repubs or Dems were the answer, except both are near unanimous in their support for the military industrial complex and its expanding wars. Note the 98-2 vote to make Russia a permanent enemy. I believe the resistors were bipartisan, lonely as they are in either party, in reality separate branches of an imperial War Party. ..."
"... Let me be the dink who reminds you: Peak Oil ..."
"... As a clever newspaper writer said about Jesse Ventura: Jesse is a lot smarter than most folks think he is, but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Like Jesse, Trump is smart enough to avoid unnecessary war. However, war may just become "necessary" when the heat of his Russia investigation becomes unbearable, and Trump needs the ultimate distraction. When (not if) that happens, either North Korea or Iran will be in trouble -- perhaps both. Millions will most likely die, billions of dollars will be spent, and the US will create an entirely new generation of terrorists. This will not end well. ..."
"... EngineerScotty wrote: "The foreign policy of a President Hillary Clinton wouldn't be the amateur hour that we've gotten so far with Trump" No, it would be the ruthlessly effective professionalism of the reset with Russia and the ouster of Qaddafi. /sarc She wanted and wants Assad deposed. How well would that have gone? ..."
"... "In the meantime, Frack Baby Frack! The less oil we have to import from there, Venezuela, or anyplace crazy the better." That would be sane. But the elites have decided to export it at a cut rate, to undermine Russia as the supplier in Europe, in order to foment regime change by crashing the Russian economy. Why did you think we had such low fuel prices all of a sudden? ..."
"... No, the fuel extracted from American soil does not accrue to the benefit of the American people, but to the profits and plans of elites ..."
"... That would be sane. But the elites have decided to export it at a cut rate, to undermine Russia as the supplier in Europe, in order to foment regime change by crashing the Russian economy. Why did you think we had such low fuel prices all of a sudden? ..."
"... No, the fuel extracted from American soil does not accrue to the benefit of the American people, but to the profits and plans of elites. ..."
"... Oil obtained by fracking is far more expensive to produce than oil obtained by simply drilling a well in the Arabian Desert and quickly finding a gusher. The US can meet its domestic needs, but isn't that great of a net exporter -- prices have to be sufficiently high before high-volume production becomes cost-effective. ..."
"... Noah and Engineer Scotty -- There is a reasonable compromise. Both of you are right. Trump is a disaster and we know Clinton was terrible. There is no point in arguing about whether she would be worse. I happen to think In some ways she wouldn't be as bad. She wouldn't be engaged in stupid twitter fights with dictators. But she might be better at leading us into some stupid war in Syria. Trump will stumble into some war with no support. Clinton would have had lots of support for whatever mindlessly stupid bloodbath she wanted to start. ..."
"... One of my biggest concerns about Trump's foreign policy–and a major difference from how Hillary would have governed–is his utter disdain for diplomacy. As noted, he (and Tillerson) have been busy setting the State Department ablaze, and many, many, many seasoned diplomats (career civil servants, not political appointees) have left Foggy Bottom, some of their own accord, some not. Some Trump defenders claim this is part of "draining the swamp", and many critics claim this is a purge of anyone not loyal to Trump personally–and these two claims may be opposite sides of the same coin. ..."
Trump won't get dragged into war, although his conniving nature may try to make it look like
that if it serves some ulterior motive of his. Trump will race on his own volition (not get
dragged by others) to war because he's already been chomping at the bit for war as evident in
how he's been baiting Iran and N. Korea alike, just as Bush baited Saddam Huessein, then bait
and switched Osama Bin Laden for Saddam. So if not war with one (Iran), then with the other
(N. Korea), or with both.
Why? Because like all Republican politicians, Trump's a businessman and proud of it,
(Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.) And because war is good
for American business, a lesson that was learned from WWII from which was created the
military-industrial-complex and the Permanent War Economy under which we've lived ever
since.
That bit's key to understanding the whole unwavering GOP attack on social services and
desire to deregulate and privatize everything, not because of evil "socialism" as the
Republican constituency is hypnotized with propaganda into believing, but because there's no
money to be made in government expenditures otherwise. The whole GOP agenda has been and is
about public expense for private gain. All the blather about shrinking the government is
smokescreen. The real agenda is about directing all government spending towards private
contractors with none wasted on things like social services, medicare, or Social
Security.
Economic aspects of politics can't be ignored and separated from social aspects of
politics which is how conservatism in America has helped create the current political mess,
by turning a blind eye and dittohead to economic matters in order to push the chosen,
preferred social agenda.
As Coolidge said, "The business of America is business." So since the US is ruled by money
of markets, there can be no getting one's moral back up and all Jesus over social immorality,
only to ignore the immorality of the marketplace and thereby fail to push for a moral economy
along with a moral society. Such misidentification of the problem will only result in missing
the mark, in inappropriate rather than on the mark effective solutions to problems.
Trump is simply a braggart who likes to exaggerate by talking in superlatives, so it's
fitting that Trump ran on the GOP ticket, because he's but another child of the Father of
Lies, who superlatively lies about his wealth being billions instead of millions to swell his
pride in being a mammon worshipper, and going to war is and will be as it certainly has been
part and parcel of such hubris.
To be fair, the Saudi dictators have always been best friends with America's elites –
think Bandar Bush, the grounding of all air traffic in the United States after 9/11, except
the Saudi evacuation planes spiriting Saudi royals out of the country so they could not be
questioned. And there is the locus of the Likud Israeli party friendship with the Saudis, and
Trump is certainly nothing if not onside with his good friend, the Israeli PM.
I'd like to believe either the Repubs or Dems were the answer, except both are near unanimous
in their support for the military industrial complex and its expanding wars. Note the 98-2
vote to make Russia a permanent enemy. I believe the resistors were bipartisan, lonely as
they are in either party, in reality separate branches of an imperial War Party.
Make no mistake: if there is going to be an attack on Iran by Americans, it is not because
MbS wants it, it is because the Americans love war.
I am convinced that most (some 90%) Americans are open or closeted
Neo-cons/liberal-interventionists/war-hawks. Some are shamelessly and openly so (John
Bolton), but many are so without showing it or even being aware of it. The hawk in them is
restlessly waiting for an opening, an excuse, to come out and proclaim what they have ever
been
Bush 41 dragged us into a coalition war over Kuwait. Clinton dragged us into a coalition war
in the Balkans. Bush 43 dragged us into a war in Iraq. Obama dragged us into a secret war
when he destabilized Syria and Lybia, which unleashed ISIS. All for the right reasons, of
course (sarcasm).
You might be right, but I fail to see how that would be different than the last 30
years.
BTW, Politico has a story about how the Obama Administration shot down DEA drug trafficking
investigations of Hezbollah to support the Iran nuclear deal. I would like to read your
comments about it, particularly in light of the comments you made above about Trump.
Parents always tell kids to choose their friends carefully. With pals like Netanyahu and the
Saudi bogus "crown prince", Trump clearly didn't follow that advice.
That video looks like a Nazi's wet dream, I mean the undiluted fascistic element is
overwhelming, it's like getting a peek at an alternate dimension, not even a society, of pure
militaristic "hathos" festooned by a limitless cloud of lies.
The worst of humanity is engrafted in that video, by which, I mean the unalloyed lying
stupidity of war: imperialist expansionism, nationalist revanchism, and plutocratic
supremacism, haloed by the grey mist–the dehumanzing pixelated mist–of the most
dehumanizing endeavor man can undertake, for the most dehumanizing of modern causes:
fascistic capitalism, the kind that fueled WWII (In this latter case, under the guise of
religious supremacism or religious survivalism, but, in any case, only an obvious guise as
far as the grotesque House of Saud is characteristically concerned).
Echoing Noah above, this doesn't appear to be a production of the Saudi government, but
having a contingent of the Saudi population gung-ho for a Sunni/Shi'a Ragnarok is concerning
in itself. Both KSA and Iran will fight each other to the last Yemeni before any direct
conflict arises.
This is the scenario that should be keeping us all up at night:
Fran Macadam: To be fair, the Saudi dictators have always been best friends with America's
elites – think Bandar Bush, the grounding of all air traffic in the United States after
9/11, except the Saudi evacuation planes spiriting Saudi royals out of the country so they
could not be questioned.
It wasn't the royals -- it was the bin Laden family itself. The people who knew Osama
best. I never understood why we didn't insists that, with all airplanes grounded, they had to
have a US Air Force pilot -- who then would have flown them to Gitmo for a sit-down on their
newly famous relative. Instead the highest levels of government -- how high did you have to
go to get permission to fly? -- broke into their busy schedules to be briefed and let them
go.
The whole thing still stinks. We really need to have an investigation into the role of
Saudi Arabia in American foreign policy; especially the Iraq Wars.
In the meantime, Frack Baby Frack! The less oil we have to import from there, Venezuela,
or anyplace crazy the better.
President Trump's new best friend, MBS, is going to get us dragged into a new war in the
region. Watch.
But her E-mails Good Thing the witch from Chappaqua isn't in the White House
ROTFLMAO!!!
If the Saudis are foolish enough to try that they will get their ass so thoroughly kicked
that "who were the Al Saud?" will a trivial pursuit question on par with "Who were the
Romanov's?" 10 years from now, and if the US is foolish enough to let them do that, watch the
Global Economy collapse as the Strait of Hormuz gets closed for a few years.
Dr Talon,
The best military in the Middle East is Hezbollah (Trained & equipped by the Iranian,
blooded and forged by the Israelis) the only thing they don't have is an air force. Let them
have a half way decent air wing, and they would be on par or better than the USMC.
Duke Leto,
All that beautiful hardware has to be put to good use, after all if you don't use it you
can't replace it. Think of all that beautiful money to be made in hardware replacement
Noah,
Trump also declined to support Kurdish independence, which the Israeli right supports
and would have undermined Iran (which has a restive Kurdish minority) and Iran ally
Iraq.
Supporting the Kurds would have pissed off his best buddy Erdogan, in that Turkey has the
largest Kurdish minority population of all the Middle Eastern countries (about 20% of
population) and the largest military in the Middle East. Not a good idea, especially if you
don't want them to become buddy buddy with their eastern neighbor.
Oh, did I mention that Saudi Arabia has a substantial Shiite minority (10 to 15% of the
population) who isn't exactly thrilled to live under Wahhabi rule.
Watching the Saudis (a country that has to import plumbers from South Asia because it's
below the dignity of the locals to be plumbers) getting their asses handed to them, watching
the Dumpster's poll rating jump up to the 80% mark before cratering down to 15%, watching the
Trump recession that would follow would almost be worth it if I didn't have to suffer the
consequences of "Real American's(TM)" idiocy. It would be almost as much fun as watching
Brexit.
And President Ted Cruz or Clinton would be different how?
It's a pretty safe assumption that a President Clinton would work to uphold the treaty her
predecessor signed with Iran. Cruz, like the rest of the GOP hawks, would probably (like
Trump) be actively working to undermine it and provoke Iran. She'd want more money for social
and infrastrucure spending, less for military.
Pavlos has it right. The GOP (and a lot of Democrats) think war is good for business and
are happy to funnel obscene amounts of money to the military-industrial complex under the
guise of "national security."
It depends on what you imply when saying that it has lit up Arab social media, Rod. "Damn
those Saudis are strong!" type of reaction means that social media are lit up. "LOL, what
sorry comedian a-holes those Saudis are!" type of reaction also means that social media are
lit up.
I can't decide if this truly 'government' backed or some Saudia wackos let their freak loose.
At least the wackos are going after Iran and not the US. It is probably really nothing than
an expensive Youtube comment but it does indicate that Saudia Arabia population really
desires War somewhere and somehow.
Although this is probably forgotten in 1 month, the Middle East appears to be following
similar paths as Europe in the 1900 – 1914. We have lots of secret Allies and treaties
with enormous tensions that is hungry for a battle.
The foreign policy of a President Hillary Clinton would probably be too hawkish for my
tastes–and certainly she wouldn't enjoy strong relations with Russia (given evidence,
in this hypothetical, that Putin was actively interfering in the election to support her
opponent)–but it wouldn't be the amateur hour that we've gotten so far with Trump.
Clinton would still have a functioning diplomatic corps, instead of sacking half the State
Department. She wouldn't be trading insults with foreign heads of state on Twitter. She'd
likely be not trying to undermine the Iran deal. And she'd not be performing fellatio on the
likes of Netanyaho, Ergodan, and MbS, as Trump has been eagerly doing.
Really. At what point does the "as bad as Trump's foreign policy has been, Clinton wudda
been worse" refrain stop? Trump is already the worst foreign policy president since
LBJ–he only needs a Vietnam War to his name to blow past him. And he has none of
Johnson's domestic achievements.
The last time an Arab dictator tried to attack the Iranians he could only get a draw that
bankrupted him and lead, by a series of second-order consequences, to his downfall.
The Iranians had just, when they were attacked by Iraq, had thier revolution and had
liquidated thier officer corps. Think about that. Iranians as polity may, for the most part,
dislike the rule of the clerics, but they are intensely patriotic and will fight to the last
man/woman to defend the Persian homeland. Underestimate them at your peril.
When Iran's proxies in Yemen -- the Houthis -- are launching missiles at airports and the
Royal Palace, I don't think this type video is very surprising and as propaganda goes really
a big deal. It is pretty low level saber rattling if it is a Saudi Government produc, or what
you would see a million times over among Americans if it is the work of just a bunch of young
Saudi yahoos. Oh, and MSAGA -- Make Saudi Arabia Great Again!
Israel has never fought side-by-side with the US in any of the wars it has sent the us to
fight [and die for and pay for] at the instigation of the settlers/occupiers.
Since the U.S. has never fought any wars for Israel, that makes the score 0:0 then.
But her E-mails Good Thing the witch from Chappaqua isn't in the White House
What ignorant drivel. Clinton is plenty hawkish (she cheered on Trump's April missile
strike on Assad, and urged him to go much further). Moreover, as I wrote above, this video
seems to be youthful fan fiction, not carrying any Saudi government imprimatur (let alone
endorsement from Trump). Rod is speculating that the US will eventually join Saudi Arabia in
a war against Iran, but Rod is no seer, whatever his other attributes.
Supporting the Kurds would have pissed off his best buddy Erdogan
Poppycock. Trump is hardly Erdogan's poodle. Trump gave heavy armaments to the Syrian
Kurds (O had limited their support to small arms) and wants to move our embassy to Jerusalem,
both decisions angering Erdogan. Erdogan would also liked to have seen Assad deposed.
I'm not going to offer an opinion on the efficacy of Saudi Arabia's army, and neither should
you. Remember how everyone warned us about Iraq's Republican Guard?) Few of us know what
we're talking about.
On the larger point: are you all taking drugs? Some video "lights up" Arab social media
and therefore Trump is taking us to war against Iran?? What?!
(especially the Straits of Hormuz aspect. The Iranians just have to mine it so that one or
more cargo ships get holed and got to the bottom at strategic bends and nobody ain't shipping
no Saudi Oil nowhere. Have fun with $300/bbl oil economies, guys China will make out like a bandit, considering
it's now the world leader in solar power.
As a clever newspaper writer said about Jesse Ventura: Jesse is a lot smarter than most folks
think he is, but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Like Jesse, Trump is smart enough to
avoid unnecessary war. However, war may just become "necessary" when the heat of his Russia
investigation becomes unbearable, and Trump needs the ultimate distraction. When (not if)
that happens, either North Korea or Iran will be in trouble -- perhaps both. Millions will
most likely die, billions of dollars will be spent, and the US will create an entirely new
generation of terrorists. This will not end well.
EngineerScotty wrote: "The foreign policy of a President Hillary Clinton wouldn't be the amateur hour that
we've gotten so far with Trump" No, it would be the ruthlessly effective professionalism of the reset with Russia and the
ouster of Qaddafi. /sarc She wanted and wants Assad deposed. How well would that have gone?
She wouldn't be trading insults with foreign heads of state on Twitter
Clinton has insulted Putin any number of times on social media and in interviews. On the
Colbert program just last September, she claimed that he worked against her election because
of sexism, and claimed that he "manspread" during a meeting with her.
And she'd not be performing fellatio on the likes of Netanyaho, Ergodan, and
MbS
Netanyahu and Erdogan do not get along, so it's pretty hard to please both of them
simultaneously. Like muad'dib, Scotty has it in his head that Trump is a poodle of Erdogan,
but the latter would disagree. Heavy weapons to Syrian Kurds, Jerusalem -- Erdogan is not
fully pleased with Trump.
If Scotty thinks the Clintons are hostile to Saudi Arabia, he hasn't been paying attention
(does he ever?).
Trump is already the worst foreign policy president since LBJ -- he only needs a
Vietnam War to his name to blow past him
"In the meantime, Frack Baby Frack! The less oil we have to import from there, Venezuela, or
anyplace crazy the better." That would be sane. But the elites have decided to export it at a cut rate, to undermine
Russia as the supplier in Europe, in order to foment regime change by crashing the Russian
economy. Why did you think we had such low fuel prices all of a sudden?
No, the fuel extracted from American soil does not accrue to the benefit of the American
people, but to the profits and plans of elites.
As a clever newspaper writer said about Jesse Ventura: Jesse is a lot smarter than most
folks think he is, but not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Like Jesse, Trump is smart
enough to avoid unnecessary war. However, war may just become "necessary" when the heat of
his Russia investigation becomes unbearable, and Trump needs the ultimate distraction. When
(not if) that happens, either North Korea or Iran will be in trouble -- perhaps both.
Millions will most likely die, billions of dollars will be spent, and the US will create an
entirely new generation of terrorists. This will not end well.
Except that "heat" of his investigation is almost extinguished already.
Noah and Engineer Scotty -- There is a reasonable compromise. Both of you are right. Trump is
a disaster and we know Clinton was terrible. There is no point in arguing about whether she
would be worse. I happen to think In some ways she wouldn't be as bad. She wouldn't be
engaged in stupid twitter fights with dictators. But she might be better at leading us into
some stupid war in Syria. Trump will stumble into some war with no support. Clinton would
have had lots of support for whatever mindlessly stupid bloodbath she wanted to start.
That would be sane. But the elites have decided to export it at a cut rate, to undermine
Russia as the supplier in Europe, in order to foment regime change by crashing the Russian
economy. Why did you think we had such low fuel prices all of a sudden?
No, the fuel extracted from American soil does not accrue to the benefit of the
American people, but to the profits and plans of elites.
Unless the "elites" you are talking about are the Saudis–who are well-known for
flooding the market with cheap crude periodically to undercut the competition (they can still
produce oil for far less than anywhere else), and have many reasons to be suspicious of
Russia–this makes no sense.
Oil obtained by fracking is far more expensive to produce than oil obtained by simply
drilling a well in the Arabian Desert and quickly finding a gusher. The US can meet its
domestic needs, but isn't that great of a net exporter -- prices have to be sufficiently high
before high-volume production becomes cost-effective.
And if you don't think that either the Saudis or the American oil industry have the ear of
Trump, you're smokin' something.
The "elites" that oppose Trump have rather little political power at the present moment.
Don't confuse cultural elites (who don't like the Donald one bit) with the gazillionaires who
actual control the petroleum industry, and are more than happy to do business with whoever is
in charge in Washington.
Trump–ignorant and fatuous and unworldly as he may be–is an "elite" by virtue
of the office he holds. Do not forget that.
Noah and Engineer Scotty -- There is a reasonable compromise. Both of you are right.
Trump is a disaster and we know Clinton was terrible. There is no point in arguing about
whether she would be worse. I happen to think In some ways she wouldn't be as bad. She
wouldn't be engaged in stupid twitter fights with dictators. But she might be better at
leading us into some stupid war in Syria. Trump will stumble into some war with no support.
Clinton would have had lots of support for whatever mindlessly stupid bloodbath she wanted
to start.
Fair enough–though I think that Hillary's foreign policy would likely be similar to
that of her husband. Far from ideal, but not disastrous. Of course, Bill got to hold office
in a time when the Soviet Union (and its constituent parts) was in shambles, China was still
a third-world country, North Korea was no threat to anyone but South Korea, Islamic extremism
was far less of a problem, and even the Israelis and Palestinians were talking, and on
roughly equal terms. Now is a much more dangerous time.
One of my biggest concerns about Trump's foreign policy–and a major difference
from how Hillary would have governed–is his utter disdain for diplomacy. As noted, he
(and Tillerson) have been busy setting the State Department ablaze, and many, many, many
seasoned diplomats (career civil servants, not political appointees) have left Foggy Bottom,
some of their own accord, some not. Some Trump defenders claim this is part of "draining the
swamp", and many critics claim this is a purge of anyone not loyal to Trump
personally–and these two claims may be opposite sides of the same coin.
But there is something else. Trump seems to think that international diplomacy ought to be
conducted like real-estate deals: Two high-rollers (CEOs or heads of state) meet on the golf
course, hash out a deal, and the lawyers work out the details; and that having a large staff
of people trained in understanding a potentially-hostile foreign country is simply
unnecessary. In short, he acts as though he believes the entire system of international
diplomatic protocol, is a racket. Perhaps he has a point here; and perhaps he does
not–as the old saying goes, don't knock down a wall unless you know what loads it is
bearing.
But you'll notice that neither Russia, nor China, nor Israel, nor Iran, or Germany, nor
any other player on the world stage, have been engaging in similar purges of their diplomatic
services.
"... With the election of 2016, symptoms of the long emergency seeped into the political system. Disinformation rules. There is no coherent consensus about what is happening and no coherent proposals to do anything about it. The two parties are mired in paralysis and dysfunction and the public's trust in them is at epic lows. Donald Trump is viewed as a sort of pirate president, a freebooting freak elected by accident, "a disrupter" of the status quo at best and at worst a dangerous incompetent playing with nuclear fire. A state of war exists between the White House, the permanent D.C. bureaucracy, and the traditional news media. Authentic leadership is otherwise AWOL. Institutions falter. The FBI and the CIA behave like enemies of the people. ..."
"... They chatter about electric driverless car fleets, home delivery drone services, and as-yet-undeveloped modes of energy production to replace problematic fossil fuels, while ignoring the self-evident resource and capital constraints now upon us and even the laws of physics -- especially entropy , the second law of thermodynamics. Their main mental block is their belief in infinite industrial growth on a finite planet, an idea so powerfully foolish that it obviates their standing as technocrats. ..."
"... The universities beget a class of what Nassim Taleb prankishly called "intellectuals-yet-idiots," hierophants trafficking in fads and falsehoods, conveyed in esoteric jargon larded with psychobabble in support of a therapeutic crypto-gnostic crusade bent on transforming human nature to fit the wished-for utopian template of a world where anything goes. In fact, they have only produced a new intellectual despotism worthy of Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot. ..."
"... Until fairly recently, the Democratic Party did not roll that way. It was right-wing Republicans who tried to ban books, censor pop music, and stifle free expression. If anything, Democrats strenuously defended the First Amendment, including the principle that unpopular and discomforting ideas had to be tolerated in order to protect all speech. Back in in 1977 the ACLU defended the right of neo-Nazis to march for their cause (National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43). ..."
"... This is the recipe for what we call identity politics, the main thrust of which these days, the quest for "social justice," is to present a suit against white male privilege and, shall we say, the horse it rode in on: western civ. A peculiar feature of the social justice agenda is the wish to erect strict boundaries around racial identities while erasing behavioral boundaries, sexual boundaries, and ethical boundaries. Since so much of this thought-monster is actually promulgated by white college professors and administrators, and white political activists, against people like themselves, the motives in this concerted campaign might appear puzzling to the casual observer. ..."
"... The evolving matrix of rackets that prompted the 2008 debacle has only grown more elaborate and craven as the old economy of stuff dies and is replaced by a financialized economy of swindles and frauds . Almost nothing in America's financial life is on the level anymore, from the mendacious "guidance" statements of the Federal Reserve, to the official economic statistics of the federal agencies, to the manipulation of all markets, to the shenanigans on the fiscal side, to the pervasive accounting fraud that underlies it all. Ironically, the systematic chiseling of the foundering middle class is most visible in the rackets that medicine and education have become -- two activities that were formerly dedicated to doing no harm and seeking the truth ! ..."
"... Um, forgotten by Kunstler is the fact that 1965 was also the year when the USA reopened its doors to low-skilled immigrants from the Third World – who very quickly became competitors with black Americans. And then the Boom ended, and corporate American, influenced by thinking such as that displayed in Lewis Powell's (in)famous 1971 memorandum, decided to claw back the gains made by the working and middle classes in the previous 3 decades. ..."
"... "Wow – is there ever negative!" ..."
"... You also misrepresent reality to your readers. No, the black underclass is not larger, more dysfunctional, and more alienated now than in the 1960's, when cities across the country burned and machine guns were stationed on the Capitol steps. The "racial divide" is not "starker now than ever"; that's just preposterous to anyone who was alive then. And nobody I've ever known felt "shame" over the "outcome of the civil rights campaign". I know nobody who seeks to "punish and humiliate" the 'privileged'. ..."
"... My impression is that what Kunstler is doing here is diagnosing the long crisis of a decadent liberal post-modernity, and his stance is not that of either of the warring sides within our divorced-from-reality political establishment, neither that of the 'right' or 'left.' Which is why, logically, he published it here. National Review would never have accepted this piece ..."
"... "Globalization has acted, meanwhile, as a great leveler. It destroyed what was left of the working class -- the lower-middle class -- which included a great many white Americans who used to be able to support a family with simple labor." ..."
"... Young black people are told by their elders how lucky they are to grow up today because things are much better than when grandpa was our age and we all know this history.\ ..."
"... It's clear that this part of the article was written from absolute ignorance of the actual black experience with no interest in even looking up some facts. Hell, Obama even gave a speech at Howard telling graduates how lucky they were to be young and black Today compared to even when he was their age in the 80's! ..."
"... E.g. Germany. Germany is anything but perfect and its recent government has screwed up with its immigration policies. But Germany has a high standard of living, an educated work force (including unions and skilled crafts-people), a more rational distribution of wealth and high quality universal health care that costs 47% less per capita than in the U.S. and with no intrinsic need to maraud around the planet wasting gobs of taxpayer money playing Global Cop. ..."
"... The larger subtext is that the U.S. house of cards was planned out and constructed as deliberately as the German model was. Only the objective was not to maximize the health and happiness of the citizenry, but to line the pockets of the parasitic Elites. (E.g., note that Mitch McConnell has been a government employee for 50 years but somehow acquired a net worth of over $10 Million.) ..."
On America's 'long emergency' of recession, globalization, and identity politics.
Can a people recover from an excursion into unreality? The USA's sojourn into an alternative universe of the mind accelerated
sharply after Wall Street nearly detonated the global financial system in 2008. That debacle was only one manifestation of an array
of accumulating threats to the postmodern order, which include the burdens of empire, onerous debt, population overshoot, fracturing
globalism, worries about energy, disruptive technologies, ecological havoc, and the specter of climate change.
A sense of gathering crisis, which I call the long emergency , persists. It is systemic and existential. It calls into
question our ability to carry on "normal" life much farther into this century, and all the anxiety that attends it is hard for the
public to process. It manifested itself first in finance because that was the most abstract and fragile of all the major activities
we depend on for daily life, and therefore the one most easily tampered with and shoved into criticality by a cadre of irresponsible
opportunists on Wall Street. Indeed, a lot of households were permanently wrecked after the so-called Great Financial Crisis of 2008,
despite official trumpet blasts heralding "recovery" and the dishonestly engineered pump-up of capital markets since then.
With the election of 2016, symptoms of the long emergency seeped into the political system. Disinformation rules. There is
no coherent consensus about what is happening and no coherent proposals to do anything about it. The two parties are mired in paralysis
and dysfunction and the public's trust in them is at epic lows. Donald Trump is viewed as a sort of pirate president, a freebooting
freak elected by accident, "a disrupter" of the status quo at best and at worst a dangerous incompetent playing with nuclear fire.
A state of war exists between the White House, the permanent D.C. bureaucracy, and the traditional news media. Authentic leadership
is otherwise AWOL. Institutions falter. The FBI and the CIA behave like enemies of the people.
Bad ideas flourish in this nutrient medium of unresolved crisis. Lately, they actually dominate the scene on every side. A species
of wishful thinking that resembles a primitive cargo cult grips the technocratic class, awaiting magical rescue remedies that promise
to extend the regime of Happy Motoring, consumerism, and suburbia that makes up the armature of "normal" life in the USA.
They chatter
about electric driverless car fleets, home delivery drone services, and as-yet-undeveloped modes of energy production to replace
problematic fossil fuels, while ignoring the self-evident resource and capital constraints now upon us and even the laws of physics
-- especially entropy , the second law of thermodynamics. Their main mental block is their belief in infinite industrial growth
on a finite planet, an idea so powerfully foolish that it obviates their standing as technocrats.
The non-technocratic cohort of the thinking class squanders its waking hours on a quixotic campaign to destroy the remnant of
an American common culture and, by extension, a reviled Western civilization they blame for the failure in our time to establish
a utopia on earth. By the logic of the day, "inclusion" and "diversity" are achieved by forbidding the transmission of ideas, shutting
down debate, and creating new racially segregated college dorms. Sexuality is declared to not be biologically determined, yet so-called
cis-gendered persons (whose gender identity corresponds with their sex as detected at birth) are vilified by dint of
not being "other-gendered" -- thereby thwarting the pursuit of happiness of persons self-identified as other-gendered. Casuistry
anyone?
The universities beget a class of what Nassim Taleb prankishly called "intellectuals-yet-idiots," hierophants trafficking in fads
and falsehoods, conveyed in esoteric jargon larded with psychobabble in support of a therapeutic crypto-gnostic crusade bent on transforming
human nature to fit the wished-for utopian template of a world where anything goes. In fact, they have only produced a new intellectual
despotism worthy of Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot.
In case you haven't been paying attention to the hijinks on campus -- the attacks on reason, fairness, and common decency, the
kangaroo courts, diversity tribunals, assaults on public speech and speakers themselves -- here is the key take-away: it's not about
ideas or ideologies anymore; it's purely about the pleasures of coercion, of pushing other people around. Coercion is fun and exciting!
In fact, it's intoxicating, and rewarded with brownie points and career advancement. It's rather perverse that this passion for tyranny
is suddenly so popular on the liberal left.
Until fairly recently, the Democratic Party did not roll that way. It was right-wing Republicans who tried to ban books, censor
pop music, and stifle free expression. If anything, Democrats strenuously defended the First Amendment, including the principle that
unpopular and discomforting ideas had to be tolerated in order to protect all speech. Back in in 1977 the ACLU defended the right
of neo-Nazis to march for their cause (National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43).
The new and false idea that something labeled "hate speech" -- labeled by whom? -- is equivalent to violence floated out of the
graduate schools on a toxic cloud of intellectual hysteria concocted in the laboratory of so-called "post-structuralist" philosophy,
where sundry body parts of Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Judith Butler, and Gilles Deleuze were sewn onto a brain comprised of
one-third each Thomas Hobbes, Saul Alinsky, and Tupac Shakur to create a perfect Frankenstein monster of thought. It all boiled down
to the proposition that the will to power negated all other human drives and values, in particular the search for truth. Under this
scheme, all human relations were reduced to a dramatis personae of the oppressed and their oppressors, the former generally
"people of color" and women, all subjugated by whites, mostly males. Tactical moves in politics among these self-described "oppressed"
and "marginalized" are based on the credo that the ends justify the means (the Alinsky model).
This is the recipe for what we call identity politics, the main thrust of which these days, the quest for "social justice," is
to present a suit against white male privilege and, shall we say, the horse it rode in on: western civ. A peculiar feature of the
social justice agenda is the wish to erect strict boundaries around racial identities while erasing behavioral boundaries, sexual
boundaries, and ethical boundaries. Since so much of this thought-monster is actually promulgated by white college professors and
administrators, and white political activists, against people like themselves, the motives in this concerted campaign might appear
puzzling to the casual observer.
I would account for it as the psychological displacement among this political cohort of their shame, disappointment, and despair
over the outcome of the civil rights campaign that started in the 1960s and formed the core of progressive ideology. It did not bring
about the hoped-for utopia. The racial divide in America is starker now than ever, even after two terms of a black president. Today,
there is more grievance and resentment, and less hope for a better future, than when Martin Luther King made the case for progress
on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963. The recent flash points of racial conflict -- Ferguson, the Dallas police ambush, the
Charleston church massacre, et cetera -- don't have to be rehearsed in detail here to make the point that there is a great deal of
ill feeling throughout the land, and quite a bit of acting out on both sides.
The black underclass is larger, more dysfunctional, and more alienated than it was in the 1960s. My theory, for what it's worth,
is that the civil rights legislation of 1964 and '65, which removed legal barriers to full participation in national life, induced
considerable anxiety among black citizens over the new disposition of things, for one reason or another. And that is exactly why
a black separatism movement arose as an alternative at the time, led initially by such charismatic figures as Malcolm X and Stokely
Carmichael. Some of that was arguably a product of the same youthful energy that drove the rest of the Sixties counterculture: adolescent
rebellion. But the residue of the "Black Power" movement is still present in the widespread ambivalence about making covenant with
a common culture, and it has only been exacerbated by a now long-running "multiculturalism and diversity" crusade that effectively
nullifies the concept of a national common culture.
What follows from these dynamics is the deflection of all ideas that don't feed a narrative of power relations between oppressors
and victims, with the self-identified victims ever more eager to exercise their power to coerce, punish, and humiliate their self-identified
oppressors, the "privileged," who condescend to be abused to a shockingly masochistic degree. Nobody stands up to this organized
ceremonial nonsense. The punishments are too severe, including the loss of livelihood, status, and reputation, especially in the
university. Once branded a "racist," you're done. And venturing to join the oft-called-for "honest conversation about race" is certain
to invite that fate.
Globalization has acted, meanwhile, as a great leveler. It destroyed what was left of the working class -- the lower-middle class
-- which included a great many white Americans who used to be able to support a family with simple labor. Hung out to dry economically,
this class of whites fell into many of the same behaviors as the poor blacks before them: absent fathers, out-of-wedlock births,
drug abuse. Then the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 wiped up the floor with the middle-middle class above them, foreclosing on their
homes and futures, and in their desperation many of these people became Trump voters -- though I doubt that Trump himself truly understood
how this all worked exactly. However, he did see that the white middle class had come to identify as yet another victim group, allowing
him to pose as their champion.
The evolving matrix of rackets that prompted the 2008 debacle has only grown more elaborate and craven as the old economy of
stuff dies and is replaced by a financialized economy of swindles and frauds . Almost nothing in America's financial life
is on the level anymore, from the mendacious "guidance" statements of the Federal Reserve, to the official economic statistics of
the federal agencies, to the manipulation of all markets, to the shenanigans on the fiscal side, to the pervasive accounting fraud
that underlies it all. Ironically, the systematic chiseling of the foundering middle class is most visible in the rackets that medicine
and education have become -- two activities that were formerly dedicated to doing no harm and seeking the truth !
Life in this milieu of immersive dishonesty drives citizens beyond cynicism to an even more desperate state of mind. The suffering
public ends up having no idea what is really going on, what is actually happening. The toolkit of the Enlightenment -- reason, empiricism
-- doesn't work very well in this socioeconomic hall of mirrors, so all that baggage is discarded for the idea that reality is just
a social construct, just whatever story you feel like telling about it. On the right, Karl Rove expressed this point of view some
years ago when he bragged, of the Bush II White House, that "we make our own reality." The left says nearly the same thing in the
post-structuralist malarkey of academia: "you make your own reality." In the end, both sides are left with a lot of bad feelings
and the belief that only raw power has meaning.
Erasing psychological boundaries is a dangerous thing. When the rackets finally come to grief -- as they must because their operations
don't add up -- and the reckoning with true price discovery commences at the macro scale, the American people will find themselves
in even more distress than they've endured so far. This will be the moment when either nobody has any money, or there is plenty of
worthless money for everyone. Either way, the functional bankruptcy of the nation will be complete, and nothing will work anymore,
including getting enough to eat. That is exactly the moment when Americans on all sides will beg someone to step up and push them
around to get their world working again. And even that may not avail.
James Howard Kunstler's many books include The Geography of Nowhere, The Long Emergency, Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking,
Technology, and the Fate of the Nation , and the World Made by Hand novel series. He blogs on Mondays and Fridays at
Kunstler.com .
I think I need to go listen to an old-fashioned Christmas song now.
The ability to be financially, or at least resource, sustaining is the goal of many I know since we share a lack of confidence
in any of our institutions. We can only hope that God might look down with compassion on us, but He's not in the practical plan
of how to feed and sustain ourselves when things play out to their inevitable end. Having come from a better time, we joke about
our dystopian preparations, self-conscious about our "overreaction," but preparing all the same.
Look at it this way: Germany had to be leveled and its citizens reduced to abject penury, before Volkswagen could become the world's
biggest car company, and autobahns built throughout the world. It will be darkest before the dawn, and hopefully, that light that
comes after, won't be the miniature sunrise of a nuclear conflagration.
An excellent summary and bleak reminder of what our so-called civilization has become. How do we extricate ourselves from this
strange death spiral?
I have long suspected that we humans are creatures of our own personal/group/tribal/national/global fables and mythologies. We
are compelled by our genes, marrow, and blood to tell ourselves stories of our purpose and who we are. It is time for new mythologies
and stories of "who we are". This bizarre hyper-techno all-for-profit world needs a new story.
"The black underclass is larger, more dysfunctional, and more alienated than it was in the 1960s. My theory, for what it's worth,
is that the civil rights legislation of 1964 and '65, which removed legal barriers to full participation in national life, induced
considerable anxiety among black citizens over the new disposition of things, for one reason or another."
Um, forgotten by Kunstler is the fact that 1965 was also the year when the USA reopened its doors to low-skilled immigrants
from the Third World – who very quickly became competitors with black Americans. And then the Boom ended, and corporate American,
influenced by thinking such as that displayed in Lewis Powell's (in)famous 1971 memorandum, decided to claw back the gains made
by the working and middle classes in the previous 3 decades.
Hey Jim, I know you love to blame Wall Street and the Republicans for the GFC. I remember back in '08 you were urging Democrats
to blame it all on Republicans to help Obama win. But I have news for you. It wasn't Wall Street that caused the GFC. The crisis
actually had its roots in the Clinton Administration's use of the Community Reinvestment Act to pressure banks to relax mortgage
underwriting standards. This was done at the behest of left wing activists who claimed (without evidence, of course) that the
standards discriminated against minorities. The result was an effective repeal of all underwriting standards and an explosion
of real estate speculation with borrowed money. Speculation with borrowed money never ends well.
I have to laugh, too, when you say that it's perverse that the passion for tyranny is popular on the left. Have you ever heard
of the French Revolution? How about the USSR? Communist China? North Korea? Et cetera.
Leftism is leftism. Call it Marxism, Communism, socialism, liberalism, progressivism, or what have you. The ideology is the
same. Only the tactics and methods change. Destroy the evil institutions of marriage, family, and religion, and Man's innate goodness
will shine forth, and the glorious Godless utopia will naturally result.
Of course, the father of lies is ultimately behind it all. "He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning."
When man turns his back on God, nothing good happens. That's the most fundamental problem in Western society today. Not to
say that there aren't other issues, but until we return to God, there's not much hope for improvement.
Hmm. I just wandered over here by accident. Being a construction contractor, I don't know enough about globalization, academia,
or finance to evaluate your assertions about those realms. But being in a biracial family, and having lived, worked, and worshiped
equally in white and black communities, I can evaluate your statements about social justice, race, and civil rights.
Long story short, you pick out fringe liberal ideas, misrepresent them as mainstream among liberals, and shoot them down. Casuistry,
anyone?
You also misrepresent reality to your readers. No, the black underclass is not larger, more dysfunctional, and more alienated
now than in the 1960's, when cities across the country burned and machine guns were stationed on the Capitol steps. The "racial
divide" is not "starker now than ever"; that's just preposterous to anyone who was alive then. And nobody I've ever known felt
"shame" over the "outcome of the civil rights campaign". I know nobody who seeks to "punish and humiliate" the 'privileged'.
I get that this column is a quick toss-off before the holiday, and that your strength is supposed to be in your presentation,
not your ideas. For me, it's a helpful way to rehearse debunking common tropes that I'll encounter elsewhere.
But, really, your readers deserve better, and so do the people you misrepresent. We need bad liberal ideas to be critiqued
while they're still on the fringe. But by calling fringe ideas mainstream, you discredit yourself, misinform your readers, and
contribute to stereotypes both of liberals and of conservatives. I'm looking for serious conservative critiques that help me take
a second look at familiar ideas. I won't be back.
I disagree, NoahK, that the whole is incohesive, and I also disagree that these are right-wing talking points.
The theme of this piece is the long crisis in the US, its nature and causes. At no point does this essay, despite it stream
of consciousness style, veer away from that theme. Hence it is cohesive.
As for the right wing charge, though it is true, to be sure, that Kunstler's position is in many respects classically conservative
-- he believes for example that there should be a national consensus on certain fundamentals, such as whether or not there are
two sexes (for the most part), or, instead, an infinite variety of sexes chosen day by day at whim -- you must have noticed that
he condemned both the voluntarism of Karl Rove AND the voluntarism of the post-structuralist crowd.
My impression is that what Kunstler is doing here is diagnosing the long crisis of a decadent liberal post-modernity, and his stance is not that of either
of the warring sides within our divorced-from-reality political establishment, neither that of the 'right' or 'left.' Which is
why, logically, he published it here. National Review would never have accepted this piece. QED.
This malaise is rooted in human consciousness that when reflecting on itself celebrating its capacity for apperception suffers
from the tension that such an inquiry, such an inward glance produces. In a word, the capacity for the human being to be aware
of his or herself as an intelligent being capable of reflecting on aspects of reality through the artful manipulation of symbols
engenders this tension, this angst.
Some will attempt to extinguish this inner tension through intoxication while others through the thrill of war, and it has
been played out since the dawn of man and well documented when the written word emerged.
The malaise which Mr. Kunstler addresses as the problem of our times is rooted in our existence from time immemorial. But the
problem is not only existential but ontological. It is rooted in our being as self-aware creatures. Thus no solution avails itself
as humanity in and of itself is the problem. Each side (both right and left) seeks its own anodyne whether through profligacy
or intolerance, and each side mans the barricades to clash experiencing the adrenaline rush that arises from the perpetual call
to arms.
"Globalization has acted, meanwhile, as a great leveler. It destroyed what was left of the working class -- the lower-middle class
-- which included a great many white Americans who used to be able to support a family with simple labor."
And to whom do we hand
the tab for this? Globalization is a word. It is a concept, a talking point. Globalization is oligarchy by another name. Unfortunately,
under-educated, deplorable, Americans; regardless of party affiliation/ideology have embraced. And the most ironic part?
Russia
and China (the eventual surviving oligarchies) will eventually have to duke it out to decide which superpower gets to make the
USA it's b*tch (excuse prison reference, but that's where we're headed folks).
And one more irony. Only in American, could Christianity,
which was grew from concepts like compassion, generosity, humility, and benevolence; be re-branded and 'weaponized' to further
greed, bigotry, misogyny, intolerance, and violence/war. Americans fiddled (over same sex marriage, abortion, who has to bake
wedding cakes, and who gets to use which public restroom), while the oligarchs burned the last resources (natural, financial,
and even legal).
"Today, there is more grievance and resentment, and less hope for a better future, than when Martin Luther King made the case
for progress on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963."
Spoken like a white guy who has zero contact with black people. I mean, even a little bit of research and familiarity would
give lie to the idea that blacks are more pessimistic about life today than in the 1960's.
Black millenials are the most optimistic group of Americans about the future. Anyone who has spent any significant time around
older black people will notice that you don't hear the rose colored memories of the past. Black people don't miss the 1980's,
much less the 1950's. Young black people are told by their elders how lucky they are to grow up today because things are much
better than when grandpa was our age and we all know this history.\
It's clear that this part of the article was written from absolute
ignorance of the actual black experience with no interest in even looking up some facts. Hell, Obama even gave a speech at Howard
telling graduates how lucky they were to be young and black Today compared to even when he was their age in the 80's!
Here is the direct quote;
"In my inaugural address, I remarked that just 60 years earlier, my father might not have been served in a D.C. restaurant
-- at least not certain of them. There were no black CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. Very few black judges. Shoot, as Larry Wilmore
pointed out last week, a lot of folks didn't even think blacks had the tools to be a quarterback. Today, former Bull Michael Jordan
isn't just the greatest basketball player of all time -- he owns the team. (Laughter.) When I was graduating, the main black hero
on TV was Mr. T. (Laughter.) Rap and hip hop were counterculture, underground. Now, Shonda Rhimes owns Thursday night, and Beyoncé
runs the world. (Laughter.) We're no longer only entertainers, we're producers, studio executives. No longer small business owners
-- we're CEOs, we're mayors, representatives, Presidents of the United States. (Applause.)
I am not saying gaps do not persist. Obviously, they do. Racism persists. Inequality persists. Don't worry -- I'm going to
get to that. But I wanted to start, Class of 2016, by opening your eyes to the moment that you are in. If you had to choose one
moment in history in which you could be born, and you didn't know ahead of time who you were going to be -- what nationality,
what gender, what race, whether you'd be rich or poor, gay or straight, what faith you'd be born into -- you wouldn't choose 100
years ago. You wouldn't choose the fifties, or the sixties, or the seventies. You'd choose right now. If you had to choose a time
to be, in the words of Lorraine Hansberry, "young, gifted, and black" in America, you would choose right now. (Applause.)"
I love reading about how the Community Reinvestment Act was the catalyst of all that is wrong in the world. As someone in the
industry the issue was actually twofold. The Commodities Futures Modernization Act turned the mortgage securities market into
a casino with the underlying actual debt instruments multiplied through the use of additional debt instruments tied to the performance
but with no actual underlying value. These securities were then sold around the world essentially infecting the entire market.
In order that feed the beast, these NON GOVERNMENT loans had their underwriting standards lowered to rediculous levels. If you
run out of qualified customers, just lower the qualifications. Government loans such as FHA, VA, and USDA were avoided because
it was easier to qualify people with the new stuff. And get paid. The short version is all of the incentives that were in place
at the time, starting with the Futures Act, directly led to the actions that culminated in the Crash. So yes, it was the government,
just a different piece of legislation.
Kunstler itemizing the social and economic pathologies in the United States is not enough. Because there are other models that
demonstrate it didn't have to be this way.
E.g. Germany. Germany is anything but perfect and its recent government has screwed up with its immigration policies. But Germany
has a high standard of living, an educated work force (including unions and skilled crafts-people), a more rational distribution
of wealth and high quality universal health care that costs 47% less per capita than in the U.S. and with no intrinsic need to
maraud around the planet wasting gobs of taxpayer money playing Global Cop.
The larger subtext is that the U.S. house of cards was planned out and constructed as deliberately as the German model was.
Only the objective was not to maximize the health and happiness of the citizenry, but to line the pockets of the parasitic Elites.
(E.g., note that Mitch McConnell has been a government employee for 50 years but somehow acquired a net worth of over $10 Million.)
P.S. About the notionally high U.S. GDP. Factor out the TRILLIONS inexplicably hoovered up by the pathological health care
system, the metastasized and sanctified National Security State (with its Global Cop shenanigans) and the cronied-up Ponzi scheme
of electron-churn financialization ginned up by Goldman Sachs and the rest of the Banksters, and then see how much GDP that reflects
the actual wealth of the middle class is left over.
Right-Wing Dittoheads and Fox Watchers love to blame the Community Reinvestment Act. It allows them to blame both poor black people
AND the government. The truth is that many parties were to blame.
One of the things I love about this rag is that almost all of the comments are included.
You may be sure that similar commenting privilege doesn't exist most anywhere else.
Any disfavor regarding the supposed bleakness with the weak hearted souls aside, Mr K's broadside seems pretty spot on to me.
I think the author overlooks the fact that government over the past 30 to 40 years has been tilting the playing field ever more
towards the uppermost classes and against the middle class. The evisceration of the middle class is plain to see.
If the the common man had more money and security, lots of our current intrasocial conflicts would be far less intense.
Andrew Imlay: You provide a thoughtful corrective to one of Kunstler's more hyperbolic claims. And you should know that his jeremiad
doesn't represent usual fare at TAC. So do come back.
Whether or not every one of Kunstler's assertions can withstand a rigorous fact-check, he is a formidable rhetorician. A generous
serving of Weltschmerz is just what the season calls for.
America is stupefied from propaganda on steroids for, largely from the right wing, 25? years of Limbaugh, Fox, etc etc etc Clinton
hate x 10, "weapons of mass destruction", "they hate us because we are free", birtherism, death panels, Jade Helm, pedophile pizza, and more Clinton hate porn.
Americans have been taught to worship the wealthy regardless of how they got there. Americans have been taught they are "Exceptional" (better, smarter, more godly than every one else) in spite of outward appearances.
Americans are under educated and encouraged to make decisions based on emotion from constant barrage of extra loud advertising
from birth selling illusion.
Americans brain chemistry is most likely as messed up as the rest of their bodies from junk or molested food. Are they even
capable of normal thought?
Donald Trump has convinced at least a third of Americans that only he, Fox, Breitbart and one or two other sources are telling
the Truth, every one else is lying and that he is their friend.
Is it possible we are just plane doomed and there's no way out?
I loathe the cotton candy clown and his Quislings; however, I must admit, his presence as President of the United States has forced
everyone (left, right, religious, non-religious) to look behind the curtain. He has done more to dis-spell the idealism of both
liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican, rich and poor, than any other elected official in history. The sheer amount
of mind-numbing absurdity resulting from a publicity stunt that got out of control ..I am 70 and I have seen a lot. This is beyond
anything I could ever imagine. America is not going to improve or even remain the same. It is in a 4 year march into worse, three
years to go.
Mr. Kuntzler has an honest and fairly accurate assessment of the situation. And as usual, the liberal audience that TAC is trying
so hard to reach, is tossing out their usual talking points whilst being in denial of the situation.
The Holy Bible teaches us that repentance is the first crucial step on the path towards salvation. Until the progressives,
from their alleged "elite" down the rank and file at Kos, HuffPo, whatever, take a good, long, hard look at the current national
dumpster fire and start claiming some responsibility, America has no chance of solving problems or fixing anything.
Kunstler must have had a good time writing this, and I had a good time reading it. Skewed perspective, wild overstatement, and
obsessive cherry-picking of the rare checkable facts are mixed with a little eye of newt and toe of frog and smothered in a oar
and roll of rhetoric that was thrilling to be immersed in. Good work!
aah, same old Kunstler, slightly retailored for the Trump years.
for those of you familiar with him, remember his "peak oil" mania from the late 00s and early 2010s? every blog post was about
it. every new year was going to be IT: the long emergency would start, people would be Mad Maxing over oil supplies cos prices
at the pump would be $10 a gallon or somesuch.
in this new rant, i did a control-F for "peak oil" and hey, not a mention. I guess even cranks like Kunstler know when to give
a tired horse a rest.
Kunstler once again waxes eloquent on the American body politic. Every word rings true, except when it doesn't. At times poetic,
at other times paranoid, Kunstler does us a great service by pointing a finger at the deepest pain points in America, any one
of which could be the geyser that brings on catastrophic failure.
However, as has been pointed out, he definitely does not hang out with black people. For example, the statement:
But the residue of the "Black Power" movement is still present in the widespread ambivalence about making covenant with a common
culture, and it has only been exacerbated by a now long-running "multiculturalism and diversity" crusade that effectively nullifies
the concept of a national common culture.
The notion of a 'national common culture' is interesting but pretty much a fantasy that never existed, save colonial times.
Yet Kunstler's voice is one that must be heard, even if he is mostly tuning in to the widespread radicalism on both ends of
the spectrum, albeit in relatively small numbers. Let's face it, people are in the streets marching, yelling, and hating and mass
murders keep happening, with the regularity of Old Faithful. And he makes a good point about academia loosing touch with reality
much of the time. He's spot on about the false expectations of what technology can do for the economy, which is inflated with
fiat currency and God knows how many charlatans and hucksters. And yes, the white working class is feeling increasingly like a
'victim group.'
While Kunstler may be more a poet than a lawyer, more songwriter than historian, my gut feeling is that America had better
take notice of him, as The American ship of state is being swept by a ferocious tide and the helmsman is high on Fentanyl (made
in China).
Re: The crisis actually had its roots in the Clinton Administration's use of the Community Reinvestment Act
Here we go again with this rotting zombie which rises from its grave no matter how many times it has been debunked by statisticians
and reputable economists (and no, not just those on the left– the ranks include Bruce Bartlett for example, a solid Reaganist).
To reiterate again : the CRA played no role in the mortgage boom and bust. Among other facts in the way of that hypothesis is
the fact that riskiest loans were being made by non-bank lenders (Countrywide) who were not covered by the CRA which only applied
to actual banks– and the banks did not really get into the game full tilt, lowering their lending standards, until late in the
game, c. 2005, in response to their loss of business to the non-bank lenders. Ditto for the GSEs, which did not lower their standards
until 2005 and even then relied on wall Street to vet the subprime loans they were buying.
To be sure, blaming Wall Street for everything is also wrong-headed, though wall Street certainly did some stupid, greedy and
shady things (No, I am not letting them off the hook!) But the cast of miscreants is numbered in the millions and it stretches
around the planet. Everyone (for example) who got into the get-rich-quick Ponzi scheme of house flipping, especially if they lied
about their income to do so. And everyone who took out a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) and foolishly charged it up on a consumption
binge. And shall we talk about the mortgage brokers who coached people into lying, the loan officers who steered customers into
the riskiest (and highest earning) loans they could, the sellers who asked palace-prices for crackerbox hovels, the appraisers
who rubber-stamped such prices, the regulators who turned a blind eye to all the fraud and malfeasance, the ratings agencies who
handed out AAA ratings to securities full of junk, the politicians who rejoiced over the apparent "Bush Boom" well, I could continue,
but you get the picture.
"The Holy Bible teaches us that repentance is the first crucial step on the path towards salvation. Until the progressives, from
their alleged "elite" down the rank and file at Kos, HuffPo, whatever, take a good, long, hard look at the current national dumpster
fire and start claiming some responsibility, America has no chance of solving problems or fixing anything."
Pretty sure that calling other people to repent of their sin of disagreeing with you is not quite what the Holy Bible intended.
The demise of the North Sea doesn't necessarily mean the end of Norway's petroleum era -- far from it.
Still, despite significant reserves in the Barents Sea, Norway is about to embark upon a long period of
structural decline as its benchmark fields inch closer to depletion and its reserves taper before our
very eyes.
... ... ...
There's ample evidence to conclude that all the sweet spots of Norway's continental shelf have been
found. The latest shelf licensing round (24) elicited a weak response, with only 11 companies applying
for production licenses. There was plenty to bid for -- 102 blocks were up for grabs (never before did the
Norwegian Petroleum Directorate offer so much, with an overwhelming majority of them in the Barents Sea),
but due to their remoteness from formations deemed to be the most hydrocarbon-rich, bidders were only
half as numerous as they were during the previous licensing round in 2015.
After 2001, Norwegian oil output recorded 12 consecutive years of falling production. The current phase might best be
described as a lull before the (presumably) last long-term production increase in its history, expected to happen in the early
2020s. Much will depend on the two "Johans" Norway will bring online in the early 2020s: Johan Sverdrup (recoverable reserves
worth 2-3 BBbl) and Johan Castberg (0.5 BBbl).
Much has been done to render Johan Castberg profitable at current price levels -- from an initial level of 80 USD/bbl, Statoil
and the other shareholders have brought it to an
alleged 35 USD/bbl
. Against the background of falling oil services costs, this has entailed several cost-cutting measures,
most notably scrapping any sort of semi-submersible vessel variant coupled with pipeline construction from the oilfield to the
mainland (an option preferred by the government, as this would allow to provide smaller fields in the Barents Sea with a sure
transport route) in favor of a FPSO.
Oil from Canada's oil sands is now selling at a $27-per-barrel discount relative to WTI, the
sharpest difference in more than four years
Western Canada Select (WCS), a benchmark for oil from Alberta's oil sands, has plunged in
December, falling to just $30 per barrel at the end of this past week. WCS typically trades at
a discount to WTI, reflecting the differences in quality from lighter forms of oil, as well as
the extra transportation costs to move oil hundreds of miles out of Alberta.
But a discount is usually something like $10 per barrel, not more than $25. A price
deterioration of this magnitude has not been seen in years.
... ... ...
At the end of the day, the current $27-per-barrel discount is being acutely felt in Canada's
oil industry. Kevin Birn, a director at IHS Energy in Calgary, told Bloomberg that a
$25-per-barrel WCS discount translates into a loss of $20 million per day for Canada's oil
producers.
Tyler should consider doing his audience a really big favor by addressing critical market
fundamentals, because it's clear that there is a lot of ignorance here, still.
There is a TEMPORARY surplus, yes, but production in domestic American formations is
collapsing (no exaggeration, the entire sector is engaged in a conspiracy of silence), and
the U.S. Government is about to lose its ability to pay by issuing endless mountains of debt
(hence all the distractive war-mongering and pathological adventures overseas). A new civil
war is coming.
America is NOT a desirable trading partner, going forward.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is a clueless buffoon, pandering to the Victim Industry,
Progressivists and other debased groups. Somebody in Ottawa needs to give him a good shake
and remind him of his priorities regarding practical matters, starting with expansion of
Canadian refining capacity and port access to international markets, which ought to be
considered a matter of national security.
The big dirty secret is Saudi Arabia, THERE oil bed's are collapsing and pumped into total
failure, and there was some articles they were buying oil BACK from New York. We could be
sitting on the largest price swing in history.
We've got the same problem with gas in Alberta. Lotsa new production and not enough export
capacity. Friday Alberta spot price @$1.77 Canadian dollars per gigajoule. More or less
$1.35/mcf.
The reality was the oilsands never had to be profitable, just attractive.
No not visually attractive, investment attractive for stock markets and pensions.. The
oilsands was always created on the coffer of the public investment. The oilsands were built
off of pension funds and excess money flows from the fiat expansion of the Central Banks. It
never had anything to do with profitability grant you if Oil had stayed at $100 a barrel big
oil would of built plants the size of California.
More oil now goes into making plastic than goes into driving. Price of oil is completely
and utterly delinked from it's availability. When is it going back to $100 / barrel ask when
Israel is invading Iran..
I don't understand why would they lose money selling their production instead of stopping
the production until conditions are reunited to sell at a decent price. Sometimes you have to
be willing to suffer a but to make things good again otherwise they might drag on
forever.
The oil market is like a masochist market. People try to be three first ones to sell at
any price instead of patiently waiting for the right moment.
-40 for weeks up there. Boiler shuts off, pipes freeze up in hours. Water expansion will
crack it all apart. They don't even want air touching the inside of the pipes to prevent
oxidation. The fun one is the Texans they don't know they because they think they can run a
Fort Mcmurray oilsand plant like the ones they run in Texas. The only thing keeping the plant
running is a pipeline of money..
Heat Trace has put many electricians kids through a lot of colleges and universities..
Profitability is not a big concern, grandmas pension money is stuck into companies like
Exxon oil, it's not going anywhere, they'll pump at a loss for 3-5 years potentially before
they will shut it all down..
But they'll drop the wages and lay people off in hours... Fort McMurray' s biggest export
is skilled tradesmen now not oil..
That's what happens when CONswervatives sell out their country's ability to control it's
resources and it's means to get them to market.
They sold out Canada's publicly owned railway, then they sold out one of the last
remaining Crown Jewels, the Canadian Wheat Board which not only owned it's own rail cars, but
successfully managed export shipments for decades via it's reliable and well managed access
to ports
Said hoakey Free Market sales pitch is just another means of screwing a country and it's
citizens out of it's wealth.
The Koch bros for example, have made out like bandits at the expense of Canadian citizens
right to fair profits from it's oil reserves that the likes of Koch had nothing to do with
it's expensive development stage. Perhaps more appropriate description of Koch Ind is, like a
Bedouin Sheik vanishing in the night with their plunder.
Said CONswervatives even went so far as to screw up Canada's grain marketing system in
favor of...drum roll please.. A US hedge fund and Saudi Arabia.
But then, when their political nemisises, the Liberal Party of Canada trades off with said
CONswervatives, in our times, they do nothing except extol the virtues of Free Trade. Which,
all bullshit aside, means they are on the same side and what few differences there once were,
like where you can stick your thingy, and into whom, are fast disappearing.
I don't expect Murikans to understand the landscape of Canadian politics, as Canada isn't
a major part of the centre of their consumer society oriented Universe.
Big Finance not shying away from shale . Hedge funds and private equity are pouring
money into the shale patch despite a growing chorus of investors demanding higher returns from
shale companies, according to
Reuters . The pressure from investors raised questions about Wall Street's commitment to
the shale industry, but Reuters says that the flow of money has continued to flood in
unabated.
"... We are the ones who have been fomenting destabilization all throughout the region some of whom would have been allies of the Saudis in some common cause. ..."
"... I think there are more effective choices concerning Yemen and Qatar. But figuring out what the choices are is not going to be easy. And harder still perhaps is implementing them. As for backfire -- we are just not in a position to judge, at the moment. Anyone hoping that another major state collapses in that region is probably miscalculating the value of instability. ..."
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) of
Saudi Arabia is the undoubted Middle East man of the year, but his great impact stems more
from his failures than his successes. He is accused of being Machiavellian in clearing his way
to the throne by the elimination of opponents inside and outside the royal family. But, when it
comes to Saudi Arabia's position in the world, his miscalculations remind one less of the
cunning manoeuvres of Machiavelli and more of the pratfalls of Inspector Clouseau.
Again and again, the impulsive and mercurial young prince has embarked on ventures abroad
that achieve the exact opposite of what he intended. When his father became king in early 2015,
he gave support to a rebel offensive in Syria that achieved some success but provoked
full-scale Russian military intervention, which in turn led to the victory of President Bashar
al-Assad. At about the same time, MbS launched Saudi armed intervention, mostly through
airstrikes, in the civil war in Yemen. The action was code-named Operation Decisive Storm, but
two and a half years later the war is still going on, has killed 10,000 people and brought at
least seven million Yemenis close to starvation.
The Crown Prince is focusing
Saudi foreign policy on aggressive opposition to Iran and its regional allies, but the
effect of his policies has been to increase Iranian influence. The feud with Qatar, in which
Saudi Arabia and the UAE play the leading role, led to a blockade being imposed five months
ago which is still going on. The offence of the Qataris was to have given support to al-Qaeda
type movements – an accusation that was true enough but could be levelled equally at
Saudi Arabia – and to having links with Iran. The net result of the anti-Qatari campaign
has been to drive the small but fabulously wealthy state further into the Iranian embrace.
Saudi relations with other countries used to be cautious, conservative and aimed at
preserving the status quo. But today its behaviour is zany, unpredictable and often
counterproductive: witness the bizarre episode in November when the Lebanese Prime Minister
Saad Hariri was summoned to Riyadh, not allowed to depart and forced to resign his position.
The objective of this ill-considered action on the part of Saudi Arabia was apparently to
weaken Hezbollah and Iran in Lebanon, but has in practice empowered both of them.
What all these Saudi actions have in common is that they are based on a naïve
presumption that "a best-case scenario" will inevitably be achieved. There is no "Plan B" and
not much of a "Plan A": Saudi Arabia is simply plugging into conflicts and confrontations it
has no idea how to bring to an end.
MbS and his advisers may imagine that it does not matter what Yemenis, Qataris or Lebanese
think because President Donald Trump and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and chief Middle East
adviser, are firmly in their corner. "I have great confidence in King Salman and the Crown
Prince of Saudi Arabia, they know exactly what they are doing," tweeted Trump in early November
after the round up and confinement of some 200 members of the Saudi elite. "Some of those they
are harshly treating have been 'milking' their country for years!" Earlier he had tweeted
support for the attempt to isolate Qatar as a supporter of "terrorism".
But Saudi Arabia is learning that support from the White House these days brings fewer
advantages than in the past. The attention span of Donald Trump is notoriously short, and his
preoccupation is with domestic US politics: his approval does not necessarily mean the approval
of other parts of the US government. The State Department and the Pentagon may disapprove of
the latest Trump tweet and seek to ignore or circumvent it. Despite his positive tweet, the US
did not back the Saudi confrontation with Qatar or the attempt to get Mr Hariri to resign as
prime minister of Lebanon.
For its part, the White House is finding out the limitations of Saudi power. MbS was not
able to get the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to agree to a US-sponsored peace plan that
would have given Israel very much and the Palestinians very little. The idea of a Saudi-Israeli
covert alliance against Iran may sound attractive to some Washington think tanks, but does not
make much sense on the ground. The assumption that Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the
capital of Israel, and the promise to move the US embassy there, would have no long-term
effects on attitudes in the Middle East is beginning to look shaky.
It is Saudi Arabia – and not its rivals – that is becoming isolated. The
political balance of power in the region changed to its disadvantage over the last two years.
Some of this predates the elevation of MbS: by 2015 it was becoming clear that a combination of
Sunni states led by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey was failing to carry out regime change in
Damascus. This powerful grouping has fragmented, with Turkey and Qatar moving closer to the
Russian-backed Iranian-led axis, which is the dominant power in the northern tier of the Middle
East between Afghanistan and the Mediterranean.
If the US and Saudi Arabia wanted to do anything about this new alignment, they have left it
too late. Other states in the Middle East are coming to recognise that there are winners and
losers, and have no wish to be on the losing side. When President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called a
meeting this week in Istanbul of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, to which 57 Muslim
states belong, to reject and condemn the US decision on Jerusalem, Saudi Arabia only sent a
junior representative to this normally moribund organisation. But other state leaders like
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, King Abdullah of Jordan and the emirs of Kuwait and Qatar,
among many others, were present. They recognised East Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital and
demanded the US reverse its decision.
MbS is in the tradition of leaders all over the world who show Machiavellian skills in
securing power within their own countries. But their success domestically gives them an
exaggerated sense of their own capacity in dealing with foreign affairs, and this can have
calamitous consequences. Saddam Hussein was very acute in seizing power in Iraq but ruined his
country by starting two wars he could not win.
Mistakes made by powerful leaders are often explained by their own egomania and ignorance,
supplemented by flattering but misleading advice from their senior lieutenants. The first steps
in foreign intervention are often alluring because a leader can present himself as a national
standard bearer, justifying his monopoly of power at home. Such a patriotic posture is a
shortcut to popularity, but there is always a political bill to pay if confrontations and wars
end in frustration and defeat. MbS has unwisely decided that Saudi Arabia should play a more
active and aggressive role at the very moment that its real political and economic strength is
ebbing. He is overplaying his hand and making too many enemies.
The only hope someone as cloistered as a Saudi crown prince can have of being an effective
ruler is either by being an extraordinary person (very curious, love learning for its own
sake, etc), or be at least moderately intelligent, and listen to consensus.
For its part, the White House is finding out the limitations of Saudi power. MbS was not
able to get the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to agree to a US-sponsored peace plan that
would have given Israel very much and the Palestinians very little.
Lies and Jew-hatred. Everyone knows that despite their infamous sharpness in business
dealings, the world's longest history of legalism, a completely self-centered and
ethnocentric culture, and their longstanding abuse of the Palestinians, every single
deal the Jews try to sign with the Palestinians heavily favors the Palestinians, and the
only reason the Palestinians won't sign is because they're psychotic Jew-haters.
The idea of a Saudi-Israeli covert alliance against Iran may sound attractive to some
Washington think tanks, but does not make much sense on the ground. The assumption that
Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and the promise to move the US
embassy there, would have no long-term effects on attitudes in the Middle East is beginning
to look shaky.
Hey, you skipped the part where you did anything to support the idea that a Zionist-Saudi
alliance doesn't make sense.
K, let's all wait for Art Deco to come in and spew some Hasbara then tell us he's not a
Zhid.
{Mohammed Bin Salman's Ill-Advised Ventures Have Weakened Saudi Arabia}
GREAT news.
Hopefully the evil, cannibalistic terrorism spreading so-called 'kingdom' of desert nomads
will continue on its path of self destruction, and disappear as a functioning state.
Once more a Saudi Firster was detained in KSA. This time the owner of Arab Bank, a Jordanian
with dual Jordan and KSA citizenship. Saad Hariri a Lebanese was the first one who was dual
Lebanon and KSA citizens and who lost his diplomatic immunity in KSA.
I wonder if the Israel Firster who are dual citizens are now sweating? Wonder, if Netanyahu is still an USA citizen? Happy days are coming back .
"Saudi relations with other countries used to be cautious, conservative and aimed at
preserving the status quo. But today its behaviour is zany, unpredictable and often
counterproductive:"
Saudis allied with Israelis, backed by the wealth and might of the US? Guaranteed to bring
out the worst in Saudis (which is bad enough at base) and Israelis and Americans.
Machiavellian skills really ? I'd see 6 months ahead if this was true. MBS just made a show
that they are a de facto Mafia not a businessman to the whole world. I'd bet he just quashed
a lot of efforts and money spent on raising the racing horses of the saud monarch and in turn
destroyed some serious connection that were vital but aren't readily available to them. Just
how potent money they thought it would be ? Sure all is businesses and it will work so long
you can pay the right person. The problem is where to find the right person.
Come on Cockburn, look at the Big Picture, not the little one. This the old fallacy of
looking at the trees and not seeing the forest. What is happening in Saudi Arabia is a piece
of the much bigger puzzle being put together over years, decades, and maybe generations.
The
psychopaths at the top of the power pyramid have been engaged in this hidden global game for
generations, it's always been part of their longterm strategy.
Very recently Highly
intelligent, realistic, morally and ethically centered, and practically oriented individuals,
have also formed secret powerful groups to arrive at beneficial goals for humanity. These
truly Good Guys have learned that the criminal, murderous, lecherous, degenerate, deviate,
psychopaths in positions of great power are irredeemable and should be eliminated where
possible. What you see in Saudi Arabia is merely a tree, not the forest. Just the same, to
the author, keep writing but research the subject much much more before you put pen to paper,
as you do have apersuasive and talented style.
1. We have been screaming about the unintended consequences of Saudi giving to charities
since 2004.
2. We removed the buffer of Iraq from Iranian ambitions (as unclear as it may be debated)
creating issues not only for Saudi Arabia, but others in the region as well.
3. We are the ones who have been fomenting destabilization all throughout the region some
of whom would have been allies of the Saudis in some common cause.
4. No one is escaping the negative consequences of our Iraq invasion.
5. We have been complaining about rogue and irresponsible wealthy Muslims ad naseum.
Now when someone steps up the plate to meet the challenges many caused by the US –
our first complaint is not astute counsel but rather a series of articles highlighting
failure. I would not contend that I support every choice. But I think we should at least take
a wait and see perspective. He is operating in a region rife with intrigue and ambitions, not to mention -- Muslims bent
on spreading Islam as one would expect a muslim to do. Frankly I am not sure how one governs
in the arena of the middle east – especially now – it's a region in major
shift.
I think there are more effective choices concerning Yemen and Qatar. But figuring out what
the choices are is not going to be easy. And harder still perhaps is implementing them. As for backfire -- we are just not in a position to judge, at the moment. Anyone hoping that another major state collapses in that region is probably miscalculating
the value of instability.
The Saudis are the U.S. and ISISRAELS puppet, they do what the Zionist neocons tell them to
do, which is to be the Zionist agent provocateur in the Mideast.
The Saudis have helped the U.S. and ISISRAEL create and finance ISIS aka AL CIADA and for
this the Saudis can rot in hell, and by the way the reason for the attack on Yemen is that
the Saudis oil reserves are diminishing and so the Saudis figured they would take Yemens
oil.
The main creators of ISIS aka AL CIADA are the U.S. and ISISRAEL and BRITAIN ie the CIA
and the MOSSAD and MI6.
The irony is that Saudis, before MbS and during his dominance, are making exactly the same
suicidal blunders as the US. No enemy could have damaged the US and its positions in the
world more than its Presidents and the Congress in the last 17 years. The same is true for
KSA, with the same mistakes being made: undermining the financial system of the country,
global over-reach that forces all opposition to unite, crazy military expenses, etc.
Sorry, but these people dressed in 14 century robes and garb, cannot be taken seriously. They
look like play-people feigning a furious grandeur.
Without their petrochemicals – they would be laughed at by everyone –
including their own kind. They should not be respected because they are religious – they are old world
tribalist thugs hiding behind a religion. They use and abuse their people – holding
them back from modernity.
Thing is, Saudi regime was rotten through and through before MbS, remains rotten under his
rule, and will remain rotten when some other jerk kicks him out and establishes himself at
the helm.
It does not matter how smart Saudi Arabia is with their foreign policy now, they became
allies with Israel, that means Saudi Arabia can never claim to be a power working for the
interests of Islam. MBS is a marked man, no matter how many purges he undertakes in his army,
or even if he just hires Pakistani soldiers, if he has Muslims fighting in his army he will
always be carrying the risk of being assassinated by somebody who has seen him cross the red
line and become pro jewish.
I don't really understand the constant hopes that the Saudi regime will fall. How is that any
different from cheering Bush's disastrous regime change in Iraq? How will the fallout be any
better in Arabia than it was in Iraq, Libya, etc?
It's not that there's a constant hope it's just they'd fall in the near future and
fortunately it will balance the geopolitical power in the future. Their fallout aren't going
to be as bad unless the people pulling their string persistent in keeping them in power.
It will be better because it means Israel loses an ally, also with the Saudis gone Egypt will also be unable to keep their
population in check. The fall of the Saudis means that Israel will be surrounded by regimes that oppose it...
Another Junior Gaddafi that is going to ruin his entire nation while intoxicated with NYT or
other Western media coverage. He talks of corruption after spending 1.1 Billion dollars on a
yacht and a painting.
Netenyahu is much the same. He has weakened Israel immensely by playing the scary wolf.
South Africa was never in danger from their hostile neighbors . They committed suicide. Egypt cannot control its own territory let alone start wars , ditto for Syria and Lebanon.
Jordan is a client state of Israel and lacks a functioning army. ...
"... Old "classic" land-based oil fields deteriorate to the tune of 5% per year, while deep sea deteriorate more and subprime wells much more. You can probably double the figure for each, although much depends on particular geology. Infill drilling accelerates depletion, allowing to maintain high production for sometimes so changes can be abrupt. ..."
"... Moreover, with each year, "subprime wells" (multi-stage shale well) costs more and now are at a range of n 6-10 million depending on the number and the length of horizontals and number of fracking stages and other factors. Only few area (sweet spots) can recover this capital investment during the life of the shale well at current prices). More at around $80 and almost all around $100 per barrel. The later is also the price that KSA needs to remain solvent (rumored to be in low 90th). ..."
"... The shale oil produced in the USA is really "subprime" because large part of it has lower energy content (by 20% or more) and different mix of various hydrocarbons that "classic" oil. Especially condensate from gas wells. Which optimally can be used only as diluter for heavy oil. EIA does not differentiate between different types oil and use wrong metric (volume instead of weight). May be intentionally. ..."
"... Another factor is that world consumption continue to grow and will do so because population in large part of Asia and Africa is still growing and number of cars on the road increase each year requiring on average 1-1.4 MB/d additionally. ..."
"... By continuing its' easy money policies well past any recession or growth scare, the Fed has created a monster. Most shale companies aren't profitable and are in fact losing money using any kind of GAAP. However, cheap financing allows them to survive and "drill baby drill." The unintended consequences may include destabilizing Saudi Arabia to the point of an economic and political collapse. One can always hope ..."
"... Economic collapse in Venezuela due to low oil prices – good! Economic collapse in Saudi Arabia due to low oil prices – bad! Solution – extend cheap financing to Saudi Arabia via Aramco IPO! ..."
"... The 36″ North Sea Forties pipeline is currently shut down for repairs. Short and medium term prices will carry the effect of that supply loss. In the long term, unexpected developments are common. Considering how completely wrong so many oil analysts have been over the past ten years, including the IEA, there is not a lot of credibility in oil market predictions. ..."
My impression is that this a gap (could be intentional) between IEA statistics and predictions and the reality. This is propaganda
agency after all, with the explicit agenda of keeping the oil price for Us consumers low. So typically that produce too "rosy"
forecasts that later are quietly corrected. Their short-term forecasts are based on oil futures and as such has nothing to do
with the reality on the ground. Which is quite disturbing.
It is undeniable that shale boom which played such a beneficial role for the USA allowing to squeeze oil price (with generous
help from KSA) for two and half years is dead.
Now is kept artificially alive by junk bonds and directs loans that will never be repaid. In other words, the USA now enjoys
a period of "subprime oil. Unless there is a new technological breakthrough there will be an only minor improvement in efficiency
of drilling and oil extraction in the next couple of years, but the lion share of those was already implemented, and on the current
technological level we are close to the "peak efficiency" in drilling and services.
Those minor efficiencies will be negated by rising prices of service industries, which can't take the current pricing any longer
and need to raise prices for their services.
Old "classic" land-based oil fields deteriorate to the tune of 5% per year, while deep sea deteriorate more and subprime
wells much more. You can probably double the figure for each, although much depends on particular geology. Infill drilling accelerates
depletion, allowing to maintain high production for sometimes so changes can be abrupt.
In any case each year you need somehow to find 5 MB/d of oil, finance new wells in those areas and infrastructure required.
All Us shale production is around 6 MD/day. So you get the idea.
Moreover, with each year, "subprime wells" (multi-stage shale well) costs more and now are at a range of n 6-10 million
depending on the number and the length of horizontals and number of fracking stages and other factors. Only few area (sweet spots)
can recover this capital investment during the life of the shale well at current prices). More at around $80 and almost all around
$100 per barrel. The later is also the price that KSA needs to remain solvent (rumored to be in low 90th).
The shale oil produced in the USA is really "subprime" because large part of it has lower energy content (by 20% or more)
and different mix of various hydrocarbons that "classic" oil. Especially condensate from gas wells. Which optimally can be used
only as diluter for heavy oil. EIA does not differentiate between different types oil and use wrong metric (volume instead of
weight). May be intentionally.
So the future remains unpredictable but general trend for oil prices might be up with some spikes, not down. Although many
people, including myself, thought so in early 2015 ;-)
Another factor is that world consumption continue to grow and will do so because population in large part of Asia and Africa
is still growing and number of cars on the road increase each year requiring on average 1-1.4 MB/d additionally.
So it looks like the situation gradually deteriorate despite all efforts and related technological breakthrough which allow
to extract more from the old wells and more efficiently extract shale oil.
The problem is that new large deposits are very hard to find now and several previously oil-exporting countries gradually became
oil-importers. Mexico is one, which will be huge hit.
Obama administration screw the opportunity to move US consumers to hybrid cars so the situation in the USA deteriorates too
despite rise of percentage of more economical vehicle in the personal car fleet each year. Rumors were that they pursue vendetta
against Russia and that was primary consideration - to crash Russian economy and install a new "Yeltsin".
The USA generally is in better position then many other countries as the switch to natural gas and hybrid electric cars for
personal transportation is still possible. It already happened in several European countries for selected types of cars, buses
and trucks (taxi, in-city buses and "daily round trip or short trips trucks).
But there is no money for infrastructure anymore and for example many miles of US rail remain non-electrified. Burning diesel
instead.
As maintenance was neglected for two and half year disruption of existing supply might became more frequent. also mid Eastern
war is also a possibility with Trump saber-rattling against Iran. Recently the leak in undersea pipeline removed 0.5 MB/d from
the market and caused a price spike to $65 for Brent (WTI remains cheaper and never crosses $60 this time).
Also with a young prince in charge and the revolution against "old guard" KSA became more and more unstable so the next "oil
shock" might come from them. They also have problem of depletion which until now they compensated pitting more and more heavy
high sulfur oil deposits online. At some point they will be exhausted too. They also pitch for war with Iran, but they would prefer
somebody else to do heavy lifting.
The only one or countries still can significantly increase oil production now – Libya (were we have problem because of the
civil war after US-sponsored Kaddafi removal and killing), and Iraq where there are still untapped areas that might contain some
oil; nothing big, but still substantial in the range of 1 MB/d. Looks like Iran now exports all it could. Same is true for KSA
and Russia. In this sense OPEN oil production cuts might an attempt to preserve impression that they are untapped reserved. I
doubt that there are much and those cuts are just a reasonable insurance policy against quick depletion of existing wells as higher
price gives some space for innovation.
There is also such thing as EBITRA which gradually deteriorates everywhere and can become negative for certain types of oil
(for oil sands it depends on the price of natural gas and they are primary candidate if the price doubles or triples from the
current level).
By continuing its' easy money policies well past any recession or growth scare, the Fed has created a monster. Most shale companies
aren't profitable and are in fact losing money using any kind of GAAP. However, cheap financing allows them to survive and "drill
baby drill." The unintended consequences may include destabilizing Saudi Arabia to the point of an economic and political collapse. One
can always hope
Economic collapse in Venezuela due to low oil prices – good!
Economic collapse in Saudi Arabia due to low oil prices – bad!
Solution – extend cheap financing to Saudi Arabia via Aramco IPO!
Meanwhile, China says it will be moving to all-electric cars and trucks to help solve its horrible urban air pollution problem.
. . Meaning global demand has nowhere to go but down.
Why do I feel that this will not end well for the American hegemon? Particularly with Trump in office working overtime with
boy genius Rick Perry to promote coal and sabotage renewable energy. . .
The 36″ North Sea Forties pipeline is currently shut down for repairs. Short and medium term prices will carry the effect of
that supply loss. In the long term, unexpected developments are common. Considering how completely wrong so many oil analysts
have been over the past ten years, including the IEA, there is not a lot of credibility in oil market predictions.
"... There's no industry capability to put this figure as a fact. They still have people looking at tankers with binoculars figuring out how much the Sauds are putting out. Even better the WSJ printed in a story last week that the Sauds were putting out oil at $2.25 a barrel! ..."
"... Anyway, all oil numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, always. Shale is meeting with increasing geological limits, going to cost even more to produce, this in an industry that's never made a profit, even at $100 and is some $280 billion in debt, which I guess its good debt doesn't mean anything. ..."
"... Condensate is not the oil, "black gold, Texas tea" of old and fact is that type of oil basically peaked a decade ago in low 70s mbd. Shale fields have always produced a lot of condensate and are now producing more and increasing amounts of just gas. ..."
"... Anyway "oil glut" has always been at best a nebulous term for many reasons, but then we here in the US just think, as Mr. Obama proudly stated in his last State of the Union, "$2 a gallon gas ain't bad either." ..."
"OPEC production fell by 130,000 bpd in November, due to lower output in Saudi
Arabia,"
There's no industry capability to put this figure as a fact. They still have people
looking at tankers with binoculars figuring out how much the Sauds are putting out. Even
better the WSJ printed in a story last week that the Sauds were putting out oil at $2.25 a
barrel!
Anyway, all oil numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, always. Shale is meeting
with increasing geological limits, going to cost even more to produce, this in an industry
that's never made a profit, even at $100 and is some $280 billion in debt, which I guess its
good debt doesn't mean anything.
this is good piece on Asia refiners having trouble with US shale as US refiners have
previously.
Condensate is not the oil, "black gold, Texas tea" of old and fact is that type of oil
basically peaked a decade ago in low 70s mbd. Shale fields have always produced a lot of
condensate and are now producing more and increasing amounts of just gas.
Anyway "oil glut" has always been at best a nebulous term for many reasons, but then
we here in the US just think, as Mr. Obama proudly stated in his last State of the Union, "$2
a gallon gas ain't bad either."
Simultaneously, it has managed to develop fairly profitable, albeit at times tense
relationships with other major or rising world powers. Those include Russia, China and Turkey.
At the same time it is engaging a large number of European countries, South Korea, India, and
others in assorted trade agreements. Iran has managed to place itself front and center –
not only as a bad actor bent on colonization of the "Shi'a Crescent" and possibly beyond
– it has also gained increasing political and economic legitimacy among its former
adversaries.
Iran has even managed to get the United States under the Trump administration to wage
limited war against ISIS, first in Iraq and Syria and to a lesser extent in Afghanistan,
despite conflicts and occasional confrontations between US forces and the terrorist group's own
militias. While Iran's various financial deals are to some extent being tracked, what remains
noteworthy is the issue of energy control in the region, a factor that fuels the numerous
conflicts, or at least finances them.
... ... ...
The US has miscalculated by believing other countries are incapable of pursuing independent
interests without its involvement, or by thinking such nations cannot use energy markets
effectively to marginalize any state that is not already in an active leadership position. The
US should take stock of the way the energy assets are being played by various states. It should
either separate the authoritarian regimes which only grow stronger with the greater access and
interconnections such valuable assets provide, or by outplaying those states at their own
game.
The US sanctions were partially anticompetitive move to block Russia selling its hydrocarbons to lucrative EU market.
Now Russia is becoming a major player in LNG and things might become more complex for the USA as all US efforts to built LNG
infrastructure int he USA in order to export the US LNG to Europe now are can backfire.
Notable quotes:
"... Russia plans to build 15 tankers as big as the 'Christophe de Margerie'. ..."
"... "Russia must accelerate work on development capacity to produce liquefied natural gas," Putin said at the ceremony. ..."
"... Costing $27 billion, the plant will have three production lines and a total capacity of 16.5 million tons of LNG per year. ..."
"... Shareholders of the Novatek project - Total and CNPC - will purchase LNG on a long-term basis. ..."
"... The ceremony was also attended by a member of Saudi Aramco's board of directors. The kingdom is considering taking part in Novatek's new project, Arctic LNG 2, according to Russian Energy Minister Aleksandr Novak. ..."
Russia has opened a liquefied natural gas (LNG) plant in the country's northern region of
Yamal. The first tanker with LNG was launched on Friday by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The ice-breaking tanker is named after the former CEO of Total Christophe de Margerie who died
in a plane crash in Russia. The tanker can carry up to 173,000 cubic meters of LNG. Russia
plans to build 15 tankers as big as the 'Christophe de Margerie'.
"Russia must accelerate work on development capacity to produce liquefied natural
gas," Putin said at the ceremony.
The controlling stake in the enterprise belongs to Russian energy major Novatek. Twenty
percent each is owned by Total, and China's CNPC, and the remaining 9.9 percent belongs to the
China-based Silk Road Fund. Costing $27 billion, the plant will have three production lines and a total capacity of 16.5
million tons of LNG per year.
Almost 96 percent of the Yamal LNG plant's production has already been contracted. The main
customers will be the countries of the Asia-Pacific region, Novatek reported. Shareholders of the Novatek project - Total and CNPC - will purchase LNG on a long-term
basis.
The ceremony was also attended by a member of Saudi Aramco's board of directors. The kingdom
is considering taking part in Novatek's new project, Arctic LNG 2, according to Russian Energy
Minister Aleksandr Novak.
This is two years old article. Not much changed... Comments sound as written yesterday. Check it out !
The key incentive to Iran deal is using Iran as a Trojan horse against Russia in oil market -- the force which helps to keep oil prices low, benefitting
the USA and other G7 members and hurting Russia and other oil-producing nations. Iran might also serve as a replacement market for EU
goods as Russian market is partially lost. Due to sanctions EU now lost (and probably irrevocably) Russian market for food, and have difficulties in maintaining their share in other
sectors (cars, machinery) as Asian tigers come in.
Notable quotes:
"... The waning clout stems from the lobby siding with the revanchist Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, whose Iran strategy since the 2012 US presidential campaign has been to unabashedly side with Republican hawks. AIPAC's alignment with the position effectively caused the group to marginalize itself; the GOP is now the only place where AIPAC can today find lockstep support. The tens of millions AIPAC spent lobbying against the deal were unable to obscure this dynamic. ..."
"... Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina took to the floor during the debate and pulled out an old trick from the run-up to the Iraq war: blaming Iran for 9/11 and saying a failure to act would result in a worse attack – is any indication, even Democrats like the pro-Israel hawk Chuck Schumer will find it untenable to sidle up to AIPAC and the Republicans. ..."
"... The problem with the right in the USA is that they offer no alternatives, nothing, nada and zilch they have become the opposition party of opposition. They rely on talking point memes and fear, and it has become the party of extremism and simplicity offering low hanging fruit and red meat this was on perfect display at their anti Iran deal rally, palin, trump, beck and phil robinson who commands ducks apparently. ..."
"... Is it any wonder the Iranians don't trust the US. After the US's spying exploits during the Iraqi WMD inspections, why are you surprised that Iran asks for 24 days notice of inspection (enough time to clear out conventional weapons development but not enough to remove evidence of nuclear weapons development). ..."
"... Most Americans don't know the CIA overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and installed the Shaw. Most Republicans know that most Americans will believe what Fox news tells them. Republicans live in an alternate universe where there is no climate change, mammon is worshiped and wisdom is rejected hatred is accepted negotiation is replaced by perpetual warfare. Now most Americans are tired of stupid leadership and the Republicans are in big trouble. ..."
"... AIPAC - Eventually everything is seen for what is truly is. ..."
"... Israel is opposed because they wish to maintain their nuclear weapons monopoly in the region ..."
"... With the threat you describe from Israel it seems only sensible for Iran to develop nuclear weapons - if my was country (Scotland) was in Iran's place and what you said is true i would only support politicians who promised fast and large scale production of atomic weapons to counter the clear threat to my nation. ..."
"... Netanyahu loves to play the victim, but he is the primary cause that Jews worldwide, but especially in the United States, are rethinking the idea of "Israel." I know very few people who willingly identify with a strident right wing government comprised of rabid nationalists, religious fundamentalists, and a violent, almost apocalyptic settler community. ..."
"... The Israeli electorate has indicated which path it wishes to travel, but that does not obligate Jews throughout the world to support a government whose policies they find odious. ..."
"... As part of this deal the US and allies should guarantee Iran protection against Israeli aggression. Otherwise, considering Israel's threats, Iran is well justified in seeking a nuclear deterrent. ..."
"... AIPAC's defeat shows that their grip on the testicles of congress has been broken. ..."
"... Their primary goal was to keep Iran isolated and economically weak. They knew full well that the Iranians hadn't had a nuclear program since 2003, but Netanhayu needed an existential threat to Israel in order to justify his grip on power. All of this charade has bee at the instigation of and directed by Israel. And they lost They were beaten by that hated schwartze and the liberals that Israel normally counts on for unthinking support. ..."
"... No doubt Netanyahu will raise the level of his anger; he just can't accept that a United States president would do anything on which Israel hadn't stamped its imprimatur. It gets tiresome listening to him. ..."
"... It is this deal that feeds the military industrial complex. We've already heard Kerry give Israel and Saudi Arabia assurances of more weapons. And that $150 billion released to Iran? A healthy portion will be spent for arms..American, Russian, Chinese. Most of the commenters have this completely backwards. This deal means a bonanza for the arms industry. ..."
"... The Iran nuclear agreement accomplishes the US policy goal of preventing the creation of the fissionable material required for an Iranian nuclear weapons program. What the agreement does not do is eliminate Iran as a regional military and economic power, as the Israelis and Saudis -- who have invested hundreds of millions of dollars to lobby American politicians and brainwash American TV viewers -- would prefer. ..."
"... Rejection equals war. It's not surprising that the same crowd most stridently demanding rejection of the agreement advocated the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq. These homicidal fools never learn, or don't care as long as it's not their lives at risk. ..."
"... And how did the Republicans' foreign policy work out? Reagan created and financed Al Qaeda. Then Bush II invades Iraq with promises the Iraqis will welcome us with flowers (!), the war will be over in a few weeks and pay for itself, and the middle east will have a nascent democracy (Iraq) that will be a grateful US ally. ..."
"... I've seen Iranian statements playing internal politics, but I have never seen any actual Iranian threats. I've seen plenty about Israel assassinating people in other countries, using incendiaries and chemical weapons against civilians in other countries, conducting illegal kidnappings overseas, using terrorism as a weapon of war, developing nuclear weapons illegally, ethnically cleansing illegally occupied territories, that sort of thing. ..."
"... Iran is not a made-up country like Iraq it is as old as Greece. If the Iraq war was sold as pushover and failed miserably then an Iran war would be unthinkable. War can be started in an instant diplomacy take time. UK, France, Germany & EU all agree its an acceptable alternative to war. So as these countries hardly ever agree it is clear the deal is a good one. ..."
"... Rank and file Americans don't even know what the Iran deal is. And can't be bothered to actually find out. They just listen to sound bites from politicians the loudest of whom have been the wildly partisan republicans claiming that it gives Iran a green light to a nuclear weapon. Not to mention those "less safe" polls are completely loaded. Certain buzz words will always produce negative results. If you associate something positive "feeling safe" or "in favor of" anything that Iran signs off on it comes across as indirectly supporting Iran and skews the results of the poll. "Iran" has been so strongly associated with evil and negative all you have to do is insert it into a sentence to make people feel negatively about the entire sentence. In order to get true data on the deal you would have to poll people on the individual clauses the deal. ..."
"... American Jews are facing one of the most interesting choices of recent US history. The Republican Party, which is pissing into a stiff wind of unfavorable demographics, seems to have decided it can even the playing field by peeling Jews away from the Democrats with promises to do whatever Israel wants. So we have the very strange (but quite real) prospect of Jews increasingly throwing in their lot with the party of Christian extremists whose ranks also include violent antiSemites. ..."
"... The American Warmonger Establishment (that now fully entrenched "Military Industrial Complex" against which no more keen observer than President Dwight Eisenhower warned us), is rip-shit over the Iran Agreement. WHAT? We can't Do More War? That will be terrible for further increasing our obscene 1-percent wealth. Let's side with Israeli wingnut Netanyahu, who cynically leverages "an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye" to hold his "Power." ..."
"... AIPAC is a dangerous anti-american organization, and a real and extant threat to the sovereignty of the U.S. Any elected official acting in concert with AIPAC is colluding with a foreign government to harm the U.S. and should be considered treasonous and an enemy of the American people. ..."
The waning clout stems from the lobby siding with the revanchist Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, whose Iran strategy
since the 2012 US presidential campaign has been to unabashedly side with Republican hawks. AIPAC's alignment with the position effectively
caused the group to marginalize itself; the GOP is now the only place where AIPAC can today find lockstep support. The tens of millions
AIPAC spentlobbying against the deal were unable to obscure this dynamic.
We may not look back at this as a sea change – some Senate Democrats who held firm against opposition to the deal are working
with AIPAC to pass subsequent legislation that contains poison pills designed to kill it – but rather as a rising tide eroding the
once sturdy bipartisan pro-Israeli government consensus on Capitol Hill. Some relationships have been frayed; previously stalwart
allies of the Israel's interests, such as Vice President Joe Biden, have reportedly said the Iran deal fight soured them on AIPAC.
Even with the boundaries of its abilities on display, however, AIPAC will continue its efforts. "We urge those who have blocked
a vote today to reconsider," the group said in a spin-heavy
statement casting a pretty objective defeat as victory with the headline, "Bipartisan Senate Majority Rejects Iran Nuclear Deal."
The group's allies in the Senate Republican Party have already promised to rehash the procedural vote next week, and its lobbyists
are still rallying for support in the House. But the Senate's refusal to halt US support for the deal means that Senate Democrats
are unlikely to reconsider, especially after witnessing Thursday's Republican hijinx in the House. These ploys look like little more
than efforts to embarrass Obama into needing to cast a veto.
If Republicans' rhetoric leading up to to their flop in the Senate – Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina took to the
floor during the debate and pulled out an old trick from the run-up to the Iraq war:
blaming Iran for 9/11 and
saying a failure to act would result in a worse attack – is any indication, even Democrats like the pro-Israel hawk Chuck Schumer
will find it untenable to sidle up to AIPAC and the Republicans.
Opponents of the deal want to say the Democrats played politics instead of evaluating the deal honestly. That charge is ironic,
to say the least, since most experts agree the nuclear deal is sound and the best agreement diplomacy could achieve. But there were
politics at play: rather than siding with Obama, Congressional Democrats lined up against the Republican/Netanyahu alliance. The
adamance of AIPAC ended up working against its stated interests.
Groups like AIPAC will go on touting their bipartisan bona fides without considering that their adoption of Netanyahu's own partisanship
doomed them to a partisan result. Meanwhile, the ensuing fight, which will no doubt bring more of the legislative chaos we saw this
week, won't be a cakewalk, so to speak, but will put the lie to AIPAC's claims it has a bipartisan consensus behind it. Despite their
best efforts, Obama won't be the one embarrassed by the scrambling on the horizon.
TiredOldDog 13 Sep 2015 21:47
a foreign country whose still hell bent on committing war crimes
I guess this may mean Israel. If it does, how about we compare Assad's Syria, Iran and Israel. How many war crimes per day
in the last 4 years and, maybe, some forecasts. Otherwise it's the usual gratuitous use of bad words at Israel. It has a purpose.
To denigrate and dehumanize Israel or, at least, Zionism.
ID7612455 13 Sep 2015 18:04
The problem with the right in the USA is that they offer no alternatives, nothing, nada and zilch they have become the
opposition party of opposition. They rely on talking point memes and fear, and it has become the party of extremism and simplicity
offering low hanging fruit and red meat this was on perfect display at their anti Iran deal rally, palin, trump, beck and phil
robinson who commands ducks apparently.
winemaster2 13 Sep 2015 17:01
Put a Brush Mustache on the control freak, greed creed, Nentanhayu the SOB not only looks like but has the same mentality as
Hitler and his Nazism crap.
Martin Hutton -> mantishrimp 12 Sep 2015 23:50
I wondered when someone was going to bring up that "forgotten" fact. Is it any wonder the Iranians don't trust the US.
After the US's spying exploits during the Iraqi WMD inspections, why are you surprised that Iran asks for 24 days notice of inspection
(enough time to clear out conventional weapons development but not enough to remove evidence of nuclear weapons development).
mantishrimp 12 Sep 2015 20:51
Most Americans don't know the CIA overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and installed the Shaw. Most Republicans know
that most Americans will believe what Fox news tells them. Republicans live in an alternate universe where there is no climate
change, mammon is worshiped and wisdom is rejected hatred is accepted negotiation is replaced by perpetual warfare. Now most Americans
are tired of stupid leadership and the Republicans are in big trouble.
ByThePeople -> Sieggy 12 Sep 2015 20:27
Is pitiful how for months and months, certain individuals blathered on and on and on when it was fairly clear from the get
go that this was a done deal and no one was about cater to the war criminal. I suppose it was good for them, sucking every last
dime they could out of the AICPA & Co. while they acted like there was 'a chance'. Nope, only chance is that at the end of the
day, a politician is a politician and he'll suck you dry as long as you let 'em.
What a pleasure it is to see the United States Congress finally not pimp themselves out completely to a foreign country whose
still hell bent on committing war crimes. A once off I suppose, but it's one small step for Americans.
ByThePeople 12 Sep 2015 20:15
AIPAC - Eventually everything is seen for what is truly is.
ambushinthenight -> Greg Zeglen 12 Sep 2015 18:18
Seems that it makes a lot of sense to most everyone else in the world, it is now at the point where it really makes no difference
whether the U.S. ratifies the deal or not. Israel is opposed because they wish to maintain their nuclear weapons monopoly in the
region. Politicians here object for one of two reasons. They are Israeli first and foremost not American or for political expediency
and a chance to try undo another of this President's achievements. Been a futile effort so far I'd say.
hello1678 -> BrianGriffin 12 Sep 2015 16:42
With the threat you describe from Israel it seems only sensible for Iran to develop nuclear weapons - if my was country (Scotland)
was in Iran's place and what you said is true i would only support politicians who promised fast and large scale production of
atomic weapons to counter the clear threat to my nation.
nardone -> Bruce Bahmani 12 Sep 2015 14:12
Netanyahu loves to play the victim, but he is the primary cause that Jews worldwide, but especially in the United States,
are rethinking the idea of "Israel." I know very few people who willingly identify with a strident right wing government comprised
of rabid nationalists, religious fundamentalists, and a violent, almost apocalyptic settler community.
The Israeli electorate has indicated which path it wishes to travel, but that does not obligate Jews throughout the world to
support a government whose policies they find odious.
Greg Zeglen -> Glenn Gang 12 Sep 2015 13:51
good point which is found almost nowhere else...it is still necessary to understand that the whole line of diplomacy regarding
the west on the part of Iran has been for generations one of deceit...and people are intensely jealous of what they hold dear
- especially safety and liberty with in their country....
EarthyByNature -> Bruce Bahmani 12 Sep 2015 13:45
I do trust your on salary with a decent benefits package with the Israeli government or one of it's slavish US lobbyists. Let's
face it, got to be hard work pouring out such hateful drivel.
BrianGriffin -> imipak 12 Sep 2015 12:53
The USA took about six years to build a bomb from scratch. The UK took almost six years to build a bomb. Russia was able to
build a bomb in only four years (1945-1949). France took four years to build a bomb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
As part of this deal the US and allies should guarantee Iran protection against Israeli aggression. Otherwise, considering
Israel's threats, Iran is well justified in seeking a nuclear deterrent.
BrianGriffin -> HauptmannGurski 12 Sep 2015 12:35
"Europe needs business desperately."
Sieggy 12 Sep 2015 12:32
In other words, once again, Obama out-played and out-thought both the GOP and AIPAC. He was playing multidimensional chess
while they were playing checkers. The democrats kept their party discipline while the republicans ran around like a schoolyard
full of sugared-up children. This is what happens when you have grownups competing with adolescents. The republican party, to
put it very bluntly, can't get it together long enough to whistle 'Yankee Doodle Dandy' in unison.
They lost. Again. And worse than being losers, they're sore, whining, sniveling, blubbering losers. Even when they've been
spanked - hard - they swear it's not over and they're gonna get even, just you wait and see! Get over it. They lost - badly -
and the simple fact that their party is coming apart at the seams before our very eyes means they're going to be losing a lot
more, too.
AIPAC's defeat shows that their grip on the testicles of congress has been broken. All the way around, a glorious victory for
Obama, and an ignominious defeat for the republicans. And most especially, Israel. Their primary goal was to keep Iran isolated
and economically weak. They knew full well that the Iranians hadn't had a nuclear program since 2003, but Netanhayu needed an
existential threat to Israel in order to justify his grip on power. All of this charade has bee at the instigation of and directed
by Israel. And they lost They were beaten by that hated schwartze and the liberals that Israel normally counts on for unthinking
support.
Their worst loss, however, was losing the support of the American jews. Older, orthodox jews are Israel-firsters. The younger,
less observant jews are Americans first. Netanhayu's behavior has driven a wedge between the US and Israel that is only going
to deepen over time. And on top of that, Iran is re-entering the community of nations, and soon their economy will dominate the
region. Bibi overplayed his hand very, very stupidly, and the real price that Israel will pay for his bungling will unfold over
the next few decades.
BrianGriffin -> TiredOldDog 12 Sep 2015 12:18
"The Constitution provides that the president 'shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make
Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur'"
Hardly a done deal. If Obama releases funds to Iran he probably would be committing an impeachable crime under US law. Even
many Democrats would vote to impeach Obama for providing billions to a sworn enemy of Israel.
Glenn Gang -> Bruce Bahmani 12 Sep 2015 12:07
"...institutionally Iranclad(sic) HATRED towards the west..." Since you like all-caps so much, try this: "B.S."
The American propel(sic) actually figured out something else---that hardline haters like yourself are desperate to keep the
cycle of Islamophobic mistrust and suspicion alive, and blind themselves to the fact that the rest of us have left you behind.
FACT: More than half of the population of Iran today was NOT EVEN BORN when radical students captured the U.S. Embassy in Teheran
in 1979.
People like you, Bruce, conveniently ignore the fact that Ahmedinejad and his hardline followers were voted out of power in
2013, and that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei further marginalized them by allowing the election of new President Hassan Rouhani
to stand, though he was and is an outspoken reformer advocating rapprochement with the west. While his outward rhetoric still
has stern warnings about anticipated treachery by the 'Great Satan', Khamenei has allowed the Vienna agreement to go forward,
and shows no sign of interfering with its implementation.
He is an old man, but he is neither stupid nor senile, and has clearly seen the crippling effects the international sanctions
have had on his country and his people. Haters like you, Bruce, will insist that he ALWAYS has evil motives, just as Iranian hardliners
(like Ahmedinejad) will ALWAYS believe that the U.S. has sinister motives and cannot EVER be trusted to uphold our end of any
agreement. You ascribe HATRED in all caps to Iran, the whole country, while not acknowledging your own simmering hatred.
People like you will always find a 'boogeyman,' someone else to blame for your problems, real or imagined. You should get some
help.
beenheretoolong 12 Sep 2015 10:57
No doubt Netanyahu will raise the level of his anger; he just can't accept that a United States president would do anything
on which Israel hadn't stamped its imprimatur. It gets tiresome listening to him.
geneob 12 Sep 2015 10:12
It is this deal that feeds the military industrial complex. We've already heard Kerry give Israel and Saudi Arabia assurances
of more weapons. And that $150 billion released to Iran? A healthy portion will be spent for arms..American, Russian, Chinese.
Most of the commenters have this completely backwards. This deal means a bonanza for the arms industry.
Jack Hughes 12 Sep 2015 08:38
The Iran nuclear agreement accomplishes the US policy goal of preventing the creation of the fissionable material required
for an Iranian nuclear weapons program.
What the agreement does not do is eliminate Iran as a regional military and economic power, as the Israelis and Saudis -- who
have invested hundreds of millions of dollars to lobby American politicians and brainwash American TV viewers -- would prefer.
To reject the agreement is to accept the status quo, which is unacceptable, leaving an immediate and unprovoked American-led
bombing campaign as the only other option.
Rejection equals war. It's not surprising that the same crowd most stridently demanding rejection of the agreement advocated
the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq. These homicidal fools never learn, or don't care as long as it's not their lives
at risk.
American politicians opposed to the agreement are serving their short-term partisan political interests and, under America's
system of legalized bribery, their Israeli and Saudi paymasters -- not America's long-term policy interests.
ID293404 -> Jeremiah2000 12 Sep 2015 05:01
And how did the Republicans' foreign policy work out? Reagan created and financed Al Qaeda. Then Bush II invades Iraq with
promises the Iraqis will welcome us with flowers (!), the war will be over in a few weeks and pay for itself, and the middle east
will have a nascent democracy (Iraq) that will be a grateful US ally.
He then has pictures taken of himself in a jet pilot's uniform on a US aircraft carrier with a huge sign saying Mission Accomplished.
He attacks Afghanistan to capture Osama, lets him get away, and then attacks Iraq instead, which had nothing to do with 9/11 and
no ties with Al Qaeda.
So then we have two interminable wars going on, thanks to brilliant Republican foreign policy, and spend gazillions of dollars
while creating a mess that may never be straightened out. Never mind all the friends we won in the middle east and the enhanced
reputation of our country through torture, the use of mercenaries, and the deaths and displacement of hundreds of thousands of
civilians. Yeah, we really need those bright Republicans running the show over in the Middle East!
HauptmannGurski -> lazman 12 Sep 2015 02:31
That is a very difficult point to understand, just look at this sentence "not understanding the fact in international affairs
that to disrespect an American president is to disrespect Americans" ... too much emperor thinking for me. We have this conversation
with regard to Putin everywhere now, so we disrespect all 143 million Russians? There's not a lot of disrespect around for Japanese
PM Abe and Chinese Xi - does this now mean we respect them and all Japanese and Chinese? Election campaigns create such enormous
personality cults that people seem to lose perspective.
On the Iran deal, if the US had dropped out of it it would have caused quite a rift because many countries would have just
done what they wanted anyway. The international Atomic Energy Organisation or what it is would have done their inspections. Siemens
would have sold medical machines. Countries would grow up as it were. But as cooperation is always better than confrontation it
is nice the US have stayed in the agreement that was apparently 10 years in the making. It couldn't have gone on like that. With
Europe needing gazillions to finance Greece, Ukraine, and millions of refugees (the next waves will roll on with the next spring
and summer from April), Europe needs business desparately. Israel was happy to buy oil through Marc Rich under sanctions, now
it's Europe's turn to snatch some business.
imipak -> BrianGriffin 11 Sep 2015 21:56
Iran lacks weapons-grade uranium and the means to produce it. Iran has made no efforts towards nuclear weapons technology for
over a decade. Iran is a signatory of the NPT and is entitled to the rights enshrined therein. If Israel launches a nuclear war
against Iran over Iran having a medical reactor (needed to produce isotopes for medicine, isotopes America can barely produce
enough of for itself) that poses no security threat to anyone, then Israel will have transgressed so many international laws that
if it survives the radioactive fallout (unlikely), it won't survive the political fallout.
It is a crime of the highest order to use weapons of mass destruction (although that didn't stop the Israelis using them against
Palestinian civilians) and pre-emtive self-defence is why most believe Bush and Blair should be on trial at the ICJ, or (given
the severity of their crimes) Nuremberg.
Israel's right to self-defense is questionable, I'm not sure any such right exists for anyone, but even allowing for it, Israel
has no right to wage unprovoked war on another nation on the grounds of a potential threat discovered through divination using
tea leaves.
imipak -> Jeremiah2000 11 Sep 2015 21:43
Iran's sponsorship of terrorism is of no concern. Such acts do not determine its competency to handle nuclear material at the
5% level (which you can find naturally). There are only three questions that matter - can Iran produce the 90-95% purity needed
to build a bomb (no), can Iran produce such purity clandestinely (no), and can Iran use its nuclear technology to threaten Israel
(no).
Israel also supports international terrorism, has used chemical weapons against civilians, has directly indulged in terrorism,
actually has nuclear weapons and is paranoid enough that it may use them against other nations without cause.
I respect Israel's right to exist and the intelligence of most Israelis. But I neither respect nor tolerate unreasoned fear
nor delusions of Godhood.
imipak -> commish 11 Sep 2015 21:33
I've seen Iranian statements playing internal politics, but I have never seen any actual Iranian threats. I've seen plenty
about Israel assassinating people in other countries, using incendiaries and chemical weapons against civilians in other countries,
conducting illegal kidnappings overseas, using terrorism as a weapon of war, developing nuclear weapons illegally, ethnically
cleansing illegally occupied territories, that sort of thing.
Until such time as Israel implements the Oslo Accords, withdraws to its internationally recognized boundary and provides the
International Court of Justice a full accounting of state-enacted and state-sponsored terrorism, it gets no claims on sainthood
and gets no free rides.
Iran has its own crimes to answer, but directly threatening Israel in words or deeds has not been one of them within this past
decade. Its actual crimes are substantial and cannot be ignored, but it is guilty only of those and not fictional works claimed
by psychotic paranoid ultra-nationalists.
imipak -> moishe 11 Sep 2015 21:18
Domestic politics. Of no real consequence, it's just a way of controlling a populace through fear and a never-ending pseudo-war.
It's how Iran actually feels that is important.
For the last decade, they've backed off any nuclear weapons research and you can't make a bomb with centrifuges that can only
manage 20% enriched uranium. You need something like 90% enrichment, which requires centrifuges many, many times more advanced.
It'd be hard to smuggle something like that in and the Iranians lack the skills, technology and science to make them.
Iran's conventional forces are busy fighting ISIS. What they do afterwards is a concern, but Israel has a sizable military
presence on the Golan Heights. The most likely outcome is for Iran to install puppet regimes (or directly control) Syria and ISIS'
caliphate.
I could see those two regions plus Iraq being fully absorbed into Iran, that would make some sense given the new geopolitical
situation. But that would tie up Iran for decades. Which would not be a bad thing and America would be better off encouraging
it rather than sabre-rattling.
(These are areas that contribute a lot to global warming and political instability elsewhere. Merging the lot and encouraging
nuclear energy will do a lot for the planet. The inherent instability of large empires will reduce mischief-making elsewhere to
more acceptable levels - they'll be too busy. It's idle hands that you need to be scared of.)
Israelis worry too much. If they spent less time fretting and more time developing, they'd be impervious to any natural or
unnatural threat by now. Their teaching of Roman history needs work, but basically Israel has a combined intellect vastly superior
to that of any nearby nation.
That matters. If you throw away fear and focus only on problems, you can stop and even defeat armies and empires vastly greater
than your own. History is replete with examples, so is the mythologicized history of the Israeli people. Israel's fear is Israel's
only threat.
mostfree 11 Sep 2015 21:10
Warmongers on all sides would had loved another round of fear and hysteria. Those dark military industrial complexes on all
sides are dissipating in the face of the high rising light of peace for now . Please let it shine.
bishoppeter4 11 Sep 2015 20:09
The rabid Republicans working for a foreign power against the interest of the United States -- US citizens will know just what
to do.
"Netanyahu has no right to dictate what the US does."
But he has every right to point out how Obama is a weak fool. How's Obama's red line working in Syria? How is his toppling
of Qadaffi in Libya working? How about his completely inept dealings with Egypt, throwing support behind the Muslim Brotherhood
leaders? The leftists cheer Obama's weakening of American influence abroad. But they don't talk much about its replacement with
Russian and Chinese influence.
Russian build-up in Syria part of secret deal with Iran's Quds Force leader. Obama and Kerry are sending a strongly
worded message.
Susan Dechancey -> whateverworks4u 11 Sep 2015 19:05
Incredible to see someone prefer war to diplomacy - guess you are an armchair General not a real one.
Susan Dechancey -> commish 11 Sep 2015 19:04
Except all its neighbours ... not only threatened but entered military conflict and stole land ... murdered Iranian Scientists
but apart from that just a kitten
Susan Dechancey -> moishe 11 Sep 2015 19:00
Israel has nukes so why are they afraid ?? Iran will never use nukes against Israel and even Mossad told nuttyyahoo sabre rattling
Susan Dechancey 11 Sep 2015 18:57
Iran is not a made-up country like Iraq it is as old as Greece. If the Iraq war was sold as pushover and failed miserably
then an Iran war would be unthinkable. War can be started in an instant diplomacy take time. UK, France, Germany & EU all agree
its an acceptable alternative to war. So as these countries hardly ever agree it is clear the deal is a good one.
To be honest the USA can do what it likes now .. UK has set up an embassy - trade missions are landing Tehran from Europe.
So if Israel and US congress want war - they will be alone and maybe if US keeps up the Nuttyahoo rhetoric European firms can
win contracts to help us pay for the last US regime change Iraq / Isis / Refugees...
lswingly -> commish 11 Sep 2015 16:58
Rank and file Americans don't even know what the Iran deal is. And can't be bothered to actually find out. They just listen
to sound bites from politicians the loudest of whom have been the wildly partisan republicans claiming that it gives Iran a green
light to a nuclear weapon. Not to mention those "less safe" polls are completely loaded. Certain buzz words will always produce
negative results. If you associate something positive "feeling safe" or "in favor of" anything that Iran signs off on it comes
across as indirectly supporting Iran and skews the results of the poll. "Iran" has been so strongly associated with evil and negative
all you have to do is insert it into a sentence to make people feel negatively about the entire sentence. In order to get true
data on the deal you would have to poll people on the individual clauses the deal.
It's no different from how when you run a poll on who's in favor "Obamacare" the results will be majority negative. But
if you poll on whether you are in favor of "The Affordable Care Act" most people are in favor of it and if you break it down and
poll on the individual planks of "Obamacare" people overwhelming approve of the things that "Obamacare does". The disapproval
is based on the fact that Republican's have successfully turned "Obamacare" into a pejorative and has almost no reflection of
people feelings on actual policy.
To illustrate how meaningless those poll numbers are a Jewish poll (supposedly the people who have the most to lose if this
deal is bad) found that a narrow majority of Jews approve of the deal. You're numbers are essentially meaningless.
The alternative to this plan is essentially war if not now, in the very near future, according to almost all non-partisan policy
wonks. Go run a poll on whether we should go to war with Iran and see how that turns out. Last time we destabilized the region
we removed a secular dictator who was enemies with Al Queda and created a power vacuum that led to increased religious extremism
and the rise of Isis. You want to double down on that strategy?
MadManMark -> whateverworks4u 11 Sep 2015 16:34
You need to reread this article. It's exactly this attitude of yours (and AIPAC and Netanyahu) that this deal is not 100% perfect,
but then subsequently failed to suggest ANY way to get something better -- other than war, which I'm sorry most people don't want
another Republican "preemptive" war -- caused a lot people originally uncertain about this deal (like me) to conclude there may
not be a better alternative. Again, read the article: What you think about me, I now think about deal critics like you ("It seems
people will endorse anything to justify their political views.)
USfan 11 Sep 2015 15:34
American Jews are facing one of the most interesting choices of recent US history. The Republican Party, which is pissing
into a stiff wind of unfavorable demographics, seems to have decided it can even the playing field by peeling Jews away from the
Democrats with promises to do whatever Israel wants. So we have the very strange (but quite real) prospect of Jews increasingly
throwing in their lot with the party of Christian extremists whose ranks also include violent antiSemites.
Interesting times. We'll see how this plays out. My family is Jewish and I have not been shy in telling them that alliances
with the GOP for short-term gains for Israel is not a wise policy. The GOP establishment are not antiSemtic but the base often
is, and if Trump's candidacy shows anything it's that the base is in control of the Republicans.
But we'll see.
niyiakinlabu 11 Sep 2015 15:29
Central question: how come nobody talks about Israel's nukes?
hello1678 -> BrianGriffin 11 Sep 2015 14:02
Iran will not accept being forced into dependence on outside powers. We may dislike their government but they have as much
right as anyone else to enrich their own fuel.
JackHep 11 Sep 2015 13:30
Netanyahu is an example of all that is bad about the Israeli political, hence military industrial, establishment. Why Cameron's
government allowed him on British soil is beyond belief. Surely the PM's treatment of other "hate preachers" would not have been
lost on Netanyahu? Sadly our PM seems to miss the point with Israel.
The American Warmonger Establishment (that now fully entrenched "Military Industrial Complex" against which no more keen
observer than President Dwight Eisenhower warned us), is rip-shit over the Iran Agreement. WHAT? We can't Do More War? That will
be terrible for further increasing our obscene 1-percent wealth. Let's side with Israeli wingnut Netanyahu, who cynically leverages
"an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye" to hold his "Power."
And let's be treasonous against the United States by trying to undermine U.S. Foreign Policy FOR OUR OWN PROFIT. We are LONG
overdue for serious jail time for these sociopaths, who already have our country "brainwashed" into 53% of our budget going to
the War Profiteers and to pretending to be a 19th century Neo-Colonial Power -- in an Endless State of Eternal War. These people
are INSANE. Time to simply say so.
Boredwiththeusa 11 Sep 2015 12:58
At the rally to end the Iran deal in the Capitol on Wednesday, one of the AIPAC worshipping attendees had this to say to Jim
Newell of Slate:
""Obama is a black, Jew-hating, jihadist putting America and Israel and the rest of the planet in grave danger," said Bob
Kunst of Miami. Kunst-pairing a Hillary Clinton rubber mask with a blue T-shirt reading "INFIDEL"-was holding one sign that
accused Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry of "Fulfilling Hitler's Dreams" and another that queried, "DIDN'T WE LEARN ANYTHING
FROM 1938?"
His only reassurance was that, when Iran launches its attack on the mainland, it'll be stopped quickly by America's heavily
armed citizenry."
That is indicative of the mindset of those opposed to the agreement.
Boredwiththeusa 11 Sep 2015 12:47
AIPAC is a dangerous anti-american organization, and a real and extant threat to the sovereignty of the U.S. Any elected
official acting in concert with AIPAC is colluding with a foreign government to harm the U.S. and should be considered treasonous
and an enemy of the American people.
tunejunky 11 Sep 2015 12:47
AIPAC, its constituent republicans, and the government of Israel all made the same mistake in a common episode of hubris. by
not understanding the American public, war, and without the deference shown from a proxy to its hegemon, Israel's right wing has
flown the Israeli cause into a wall. not understanding the fact in international affairs that to disrespect an American president
is to disrespect Americans, the Israeli government acted as a spoiled first-born - while to American eyes it was a greedy, ungrateful
ward foisted upon barely willing hands. it presumed far too much and is receiving the much deserved rebuke.
impartial12 11 Sep 2015 12:37
This deal is the best thing that happened in the region in a while. We tried war and death. It didn't work out. Why not try
this?
"... The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its civilizational imperative. ..."
From Patrick Armstrong's article (a good one, by the way):
A Russian threat is good for business: there's poor money in a threat made of IEDs, bomb
vests and small arms. Big profits require big threats.
Actually, I'd say the Russian threat is necessary to keep the Europeans too
frightened to protest while the U.S. steals wealth from them. After all, when the U.S.
imports goods and "pays" for them with printed money, it is basically stealing those goods.
The U.S. is draining a lot of wealth from Europe (like $150 billion a year), so something
must be done to keep them docile. Russia's perfect for that.
"(Failed) West and a multipolar Rest". The latter is what I think will actually happen
in the near and medium term.
I think we already have it, except I don't think West has failed yet. Or it has in a way,
the process of failing goes on, but the consequences have not been felt much in the West
yet.
Well, exogenous events aside, "decline and fall" is necessarily a process. A
series of steps and plateaus is typical. A major step occurred in 2007/8, when the money
failed. The bankers, in a frankly heroic display of coordination, propped up the $$$ and the
West got a decade long plateau. Things are going wobbly again, financially speaking and I
suspect the next step function to occur rather soon. Stays of execution have been exhausted, so
it'll be interesting how the West handles it, and how the RoW reacts.
Europeans have been invited to join the Eurasian Project, to create a continental market from
"Lisbon to Vladivostok". Latent dreams of Hegemony hold at least some of their elites back. The
USA has also been invited, but its dreams remain much more virile. That is, until Trump who's
backers seem to read the writing on the wall better than the Straussians.
I don't see any other power than the West (=US) aspiring to 'manage the world'....
The other 'powers' have very modest, regional aspirations... US seems to be obsessed with it.
The fact is that the rise of the West to global dominance is due to a
historical anomaly. It was fuelled (literally) by the discovery and harnessing of the chemical
energy embedded in coal (late 18thC) and then oil (late 19thC). The first doubled the
population, and as first movers gave the West a running start. The second turned on the
afterburners, and population grew >3.5 fold. Again the West led the way. To fuel that
ahistorical step-function growth curve, control of resources on a global scale became its
civilizational imperative.
That growth curve has plateaued, and the rest of the world has caught/is catching up
developmentally. The resources the West needs aren't going to be available to it in the way
they were 100 years ago. Them days is over, for everybody really, but especially for the West
because it has depleted its own hi-ROI resources, and both of its means of control (IMF$ System
& U$M) of what's left of everybody else's are failing simultaneously. So its plateau will
not be flat, or not flat for long between increasingly violent steps.
The West rode an ahistorical rogue wave of development to a point just short of Global
Hegemony. That wave broke, and is now rolling back out into the world leaving the West just
short of its civilizational resource requirements. No way to get back on a broken wave. In any
case, China now holds the $$$ hammer, and Russia holds the military hammer, and they've now got
the surfboard. Both of them, led by historically aware elites, know that Hegemony doesn't work,
so will focus on keeping their neck of the woods as stable & prosperous as possible while
hell blazes elsewhere.
What is really going on is that West has over-reached and can barely handle its own
problems.
IMHO, what's really going on is that the West's problems are simply symptomatic of
what "decline and fall", if not "collapse" looks like from within a failing system. A long time
ago I read the diary of a Roman nobleman who in the most matter-of-fact style wrote of exactly
the same things Westerners complain about today. How this, that or the other thing no longer
works the way it did. For all of his 60+ years, every day was infinitesimally worse than the
day before, until finally he decides to pack up his Roman households and move to his estates in
Spain. It took 170(iirc) more years of continuous decline until Alaric finally arrived at the
Gates of Rome. If wholly due to internal causes, collapse is almost always a slow motion train
wreck.
...
'there would be a vacuum' and 'Russians would move in'. This is obvious nonsense and only
elderly paranoid Cold Warrior types believe it (peterAUS?).
Actually, it's just stupid. Cold Warrior or not, the view betrays a deep and
abiding ignorance of both history and a large part of what drove the West's hegemonic
successes. That both militate against anyone else ever even trying such a thing on a global
scale can't be seen if you look at historical developments and the rest of the world through
10' of 1" pipe.
The idea that Russia wants/needs the Baltics is even more laughable than that it wants/needs
the Ukraine or Poland. None of these tarbabies have anything to offer but trouble. Noisome
flies on an elephant, it is only if they make themselves more troublesome as outsiders than
they would be as vassals would Russia move.
"... Carrying Capacity : Carrying capacity is a well-known ecological term that has an obvious and fairly intuitive meaning: "the maximum population size of a species that the environment can sustain indefinitely, given the food, habitat, water and other necessities available in the environment". Unfortunately, that definition becomes more nebulous the closer you look at it – especially when we start talking about the planetary carrying capacity for humans. Ecologists claim that our numbers have already surpassed the carrying capacity of the planet, while others (notably economists and politicians ) claim we are nowhere near it yet! ..."
"... Overshoot : When a population surpasses its carrying capacity it enters a condition known as overshoot. Because carrying capacity is defined as the maximum population that an environment can maintain indefinitely, overshoot must by definition be temporary. Populations ..."
"... to (or below) the carrying capacity. How long they stay in overshoot depends on how many stored resources there are to support their inflated numbers. Resources may be food, but they may also be any resource that helps maintain their numbers. For ..."
"... one of the primary resources is energy, whether it is tapped as flows (sunlight, wind, biomass) or stocks (coal, oil, gas, uranium etc.). A species usually enters overshoot when it taps a particularly rich but exhaustible stock of a resource. Like oil, for instance ..."
"... The zoomass of wild vertebrates is now vanishingly small compared to the biomass of domestic animals. In 1900 there were some 1.6 billion large domesticated animals, including about 450 million head of cattle and water buffalo (HYDE 2011); a century later the count of large domestic animals had surpassed 4.3 billion, including 1.65 billion head of cattle and water buffalo and 900 million pigs (FAO 2011). Calculations using these head counts and average body weights (they have increased everywhere since 1900, but the differences between larger body masses in North America and Europe and lower weights elsewhere persist) yield estimates of at least 35 Mt C of domesticated zoomass in 1900 (more than three times the total of all wild land mammals) and at least 120 Mt C in the year 2000, a 3.5-fold increase in 100 years (and 25 times the total of wild mammalian zoomass). And cattle zoomass alone is now at least 250 times greater than the zoomass of all surviving African elephants, which in turn is less than 2 percent of the zoomass of Africa's nearly 300 million bovines (Table 2). ..."
"... Carrying Capacity, Overshoot and Species Extinction ..."
11/29/2017 Notice: Please limit your comments below to the subject matter of this post only. There is a petroleum post above this
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First, let us define carrying capacity and overshoot. And none has done that better than
Paul Chefurka .
Carrying Capacity : Carrying capacity is a well-known ecological term that has an obvious and fairly intuitive meaning: "the
maximum population size of a species that the environment can sustain indefinitely, given the food, habitat, water and other necessities
available in the environment". Unfortunately, that definition becomes more nebulous the closer you look at it – especially when we
start talking about the planetary carrying capacity for humans. Ecologists claim that our numbers have already surpassed the carrying
capacity of the planet, while others (notably economists and politicians ) claim we are nowhere near it yet!
Overshoot : When a population surpasses its carrying capacity it enters a condition known as overshoot. Because carrying capacity
is defined as the maximum population that an environment can maintain indefinitely, overshoot must by definition be temporary. Populations
always decline to (or below) the carrying capacity. How long they stay in overshoot depends on how many stored resources
there are to support their inflated numbers. Resources may be food, but they may also be any resource that helps maintain their numbers.
For humans one of the primary resources is energy, whether it is tapped as flows (sunlight, wind, biomass) or stocks (coal,
oil, gas, uranium etc.). A species usually enters overshoot when it taps a particularly rich but exhaustible stock of a resource.
Like oil, for instance
When we talk about carrying capacity we need to define exactly who or what we are carrying. Are we talking about humans, all animals
or what? Well, let's just talk about terrestrial vertebrate biomass.
Okay, Vaclav Smil and Paul Chefurka (and the estimates of most earth biologists) are correct, the long-term carrying capacity
of terrestrial vertebrate biomass is a little over 200,000,000 tons. But how do we know that amount is correct? Easily, because that
is what it was for millions of years before the advent of agriculture and other things brought about by modern day Homo sapiens.
Plant and animal species all struggle to survive. In doing so they have evolved to fill every available niche on earth. If a plant
can grow in an area, any area, it will do so. If an animal can find a habitat in any area on earth, it will do so. At least since
the mid-Triassic, about 225 million years ago, plants and animals have occupied every available niche on earth. If any animal overshot
its habitat, dieoff would soon correct that situation. So for many millions of years, the terrestrial vertebrate biomass remained
at about two hundred million tons, give or take. I say that because climate change, sea levels rising and falling, continental drift
would cause the long-term carrying capacity to wax or wane. Also, the estimate is just that, an estimate. It could be slightly higher
or lower. But the long-term carrying capacity of the earth always remained at one hundred percent of what it was possible to carry.
Then about 10,000 years ago man invented agriculture. At first, this only enabled a slight increase in population. Soon only plants
that produced the most grain, fruit or tuber per plant, or per area of ground, was selected for replanting. Genetic engineering goes
back thousands of years.
Then they discovered fertilizer. Animal and human waste could greatly increase plant production. Animals were domesticated and
the plow was invented. More food per area of ground could be produced. Then chemical fertilizers were invented and the population
floodgates were opened. At first phosphates from bird guano dramatically increased agricultural production but around the middle
of the last century nitrate fertilizers from the Haber Bosch process enabled the green revolution and enabled the population to expand
three fold.
It's mostly cows, then humans, then pigs then chickens then Interesting that the biomass of chickens is ovwe three times that
of all the wild animals combined. If this chart does not shock you then you are totally unable to be shocked by anything concerning
the earth's biosphere.
The world population is still expanding at an alarming rate. By 1989 the population was expanding by about 88 million people per
year. Then by the year 2000 population growth had slowed to about 77 million per year. Then the slowdown stopped and started to increase
again. it stands at about 79 million per year according to the US Census Bureau.
Now they are saying it will start to slow. But that slowdown has not yet started. True, the fertility rate has been dropping but
that has been offset by the increase in population. The fertility rate is dropping but on more and more people.
Notice the U.S. Census Bureau starts the slowdown at almost the exact date this chart was drawn, August 2017. If they had drawn
this chart in 1995, then no doubt they would have started their prediction of constant decline in 1995.
But I have no doubt that the population will start to decline. It must, it must because we are destroying the ability of the planet
to feed all its people.
Paul Chefurka created the above graph in May 2011. I think he was a little off. He has the world population hitting almost 8 billion
then starting to drop around 2030.
I am more inclined to agree with the U.S. Census Bureau who thinks the world population will hit 9.4 billion around 2050. Then
I believe the population will start to fall. The rate of population decline and how far it will fall is hard to predict. That will
depend on many things but primarily on if and when globalization collapses. The collapse of globalization will bring about civil
strife, border wars, and famine around the world.
I want to call your attention to the green, wild animal, portion of the second graph at the top of this post. Notice the wild
animal portion of the terrestrial vertebrate biomass, by 1900, had dropped to about 20% of its historical value. Then by 2000, it
had dropped to half that amount. Then by 2050, we expect that 2000 value to be cut in half again.
By 2100, it will very likely all be gone. Well, almost all gone. There will still be plenty of rats and mice and perhaps a few
other small vertebrates will still survive, but all the large megafauna, except humans, will be gone. Gone forever or at least for
the next million years or so. It will take that long for new megafauna to evolve after the human population has been greatly reduced
to a billion or even a few million people.
But the far distant future is of little concern to us now. The sad fact of the matter is your descendants will live in a world
completely free of wild megafauna. There is no way to avoid that fact now, it is already too late to stop the destruction.
WHY?
Yes, why? Why are we destroying the earth's ecosystem? Why are we driving most all wild animals into extinction? Why have we dramatically
overpopulated the planet with human beings? Why did all this happen? However, when you ask why, you are implying that all this had
a cause, that someone or some group of people are to blame for this damn mess we have gotten ourselves into.
Was it the early farmers who invented agriculture. Or was it the early industrialists like James Watt or Thomas Edison? Or was
it Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch, are they the villains that got us into such a damn mess? No, it was none of these people. It was no
one person or no group of people. It was not even any revolution like the industrial revolution, the medical revolution or the green
revolution. There is no one to blame and there is nothing to blame.
Agriculture enabled the very small early population to expand. The industrial revolution and later the green revolution enabled
more people to be fed. The medical revolution enabled more babies to survive and people to live much longer. Our population has exploded
simply because it could. We have always lived to the limit of our existence and we always will. It was just human nature pure and
simple.
Now many will say that we are now controlling our population, that we have learned how to limit our fertility rate. Well, yes
and no. Reference the below chart and table that were produced by the
Population Reference Bureau in 2012.
In the developed world, where most of the world's energy is consumed, we almost have zero population growth. But in the less developed
world, the population is still growing.
Here is the perfect example of what is happening, what is still happening , in much of the world. Notice the difference in the
infant mortality rate and the annual infant deaths. Most of the world's people are still living at the very limit of their existence.
<sarc>But not to worry. The death rate is rising, babies are dying, the population will soon start to fall in the undeveloped
world. </sarc>
Note: The Paul Chefurka graphs in this post were created, primarily, with data from the research of Vaclav Smil and is published
in this 24 page PDF file: Harvesting
the Biosphere: The Human Impact . The file includes over 2 pages of notes and 4 pages of references where Smil sources and documents
every stat he quotes. Below are a table and some text from the paper.
The zoomass of wild vertebrates is now vanishingly small compared to the biomass of domestic animals. In 1900 there were some
1.6 billion large domesticated animals, including about 450 million head of cattle and water buffalo (HYDE 2011); a century later
the count of large domestic animals had surpassed 4.3 billion, including 1.65 billion head of cattle and water buffalo and 900 million
pigs (FAO 2011). Calculations using these head counts and average body weights (they have increased everywhere since 1900, but the
differences between larger body masses in North America and Europe and lower weights elsewhere persist) yield estimates of at least
35 Mt C of domesticated zoomass in 1900 (more than three times the total of all wild land mammals) and at least 120 Mt C in the year
2000, a 3.5-fold increase in 100 years (and 25 times the total of wild mammalian zoomass). And cattle zoomass alone is now at least
250 times greater than the zoomass of all surviving African elephants, which in turn is less than 2 percent of the zoomass of Africa's
nearly 300 million bovines (Table 2).
Please comment below but only on the subject matter of this post.
Great summary. Mainly so I don't have to think about all the depressing aspects: do you not think if humans disappeared but even
a few of our larger domesticated animals survived that evolution could go bonkers and we'd have new familes and species springing
up all over in far less than a million years. After all homo sapiens are only a few hundred thousand years, and dogs (admittedly
still technically wolves) only a few thousand. It would depend a bit whether we left much of the planet that was actually habitable
of course – i.e. there'd need to be plenty of evolution pressure, but not too much. I guess your point would be we'd get new species
but not the mega fauna, but I think there's evidence that isolated small islands can lead to either pygmy species or giants depending
on the exact environment.
George, I would have to start by saying that humans are not going to disappear. Other than extinction via natural disaster, like
a giant meteorite hitting the earth, species are driven into extinction. That is they are outcompeted for territory and
resources. Humans are the drivers of extinction, no species will drive us into extinction. We occupy every habitable niche on
earth and will likely continue to do so even after our numbers have been dramatically reduced.
If we have a collapse of globalization, and I believe that is inevitable and will happen within the next one hundred years,
then the human population will be devastated by civil strife, border wars, and famine. Seven to nine billion hungry people will
be a disaster for all other animal life, domestic as well as wild. So I do not believe there will be enough domestic animal life
to kick-start evolution of new wild species of megafauna. As I have said before, we will eat the songbirds out of the trees. So
there sure as hell will not be any cows left.
Okay, so perhaps it will not take a million years for other large megafauna to evolve. Perhaps it will only be in the hundreds
of thousands of years.
So, after we eat the songbirds from the trees, what the hell will we eat then?
Is it not possible that the human species will drive itself to extinction because we are so successful at destroying the natural
environment which we depend upon for our survival?
After industrial civilization collapses, the great human die-off will rapidly reduce human numbers by more than 90%. Life for
the remaining humans will be extraordinarily hard. If the overall stress level is high enough, it will be very difficult for humans
to raise enough offspring to reproductive age to maintain the species over time. Biologists call this pre-extinction phase die
out. Once a species numbers fall below replacement level, they go extinct.
And what the hell do you mean: "If we have a collapse of globalization, and I believe that is inevitable and will happen within
the next one hundred years "? Within the next 100 years? You are dreaming! We are in the early stages of apocalypse right now!
Rapid die-off will begin within the next few years. 100 years from now, there will be no one alive who will remember it.
Cunning said; "After industrial civilization collapses, the great human die-off will rapidly reduce human numbers by more than
90%." ..
..while what is left of nature will rapidly move into the niches vacated by species humans have wiped out. If (big if, maybe)
there are remaining reproductively viable human populations, they will exploit those recovering niches at rates which will be
far below the astounding rates of exploitation during the industrial age. Where humans have abandoned their schemes of destroying
the natural world for their own purposes, nature, in some form, recovers quite quickly.
On the other hand, if global warming goes off the scale (ala Guy McPherson, et al), all bets are off. Everything larger than
a shrew will be toast.
Once a species numbers fall below replacement level, they go extinct.
The replacement level for animals in the wild and the replacement level for domestic animals are two different things entirely.
For animals in the wild, the replacement level may be several hundred to several thousand. Animals in the wild have to find each
other in order to reproduce. For domestic animals, the replacement level is two.
In this regard, we Homo sapiens are far more like domestic animals than wild animals. An example would be the Polynesians who
migrated to distant islands in sailing outrigger canoes. Their numbers, in those canoes, likely numbered only a dozen or so. Yet
huge numbers eventually sprang from tiny numbers.
Yes, stress during periods of great strife and famine will be great. Stress will likely take a great toll. But there will always
be survivors. Everyone is not equally affected by stress. Some can overcome, some cannot. It is a little like a plague or disease.
There are always some who are immune or otherwise escape the problem.
As for rapid die-off coming within a few years, yes that may happen but I doubt it. Humans societies are far more resilient
than you might expect. For instance, look at Somalia, or Venezuela. Somalia, a failed state, has been in turmoil for decades yet
no massive die-off has occurred. Venezuela is in a state of almost total anarchy, yet no massive die-off as of yet.
I believe the die-off will start within the next hundred years. Next week is within the next hundred years. But I doubt
it will happen by then, or even within the next few years or so. In my opinion, it will take several decades for things to really
fall apart.
You said:
"But I doubt it will happen by then, or even within the next few years or so. In my opinion, it will take several decades for
things to really fall apart."
What about Limits to Growth? That study forecast that real problems would begin in the first or second decade of the 21st century,
in other words, now. Why is Limits to Growth wrong? How do we avoid sudden, catastrophic collapse once world economic growth comes
to an end?
What about the fragile, debt ridden financial/credit/monetary system? Have you read the Korowicz paper? How will industrial
civilization gradually unwind over many decades when the world economy freezes very suddenly and food stops arriving at the grocery
stores? That should lead to a very rapid die-off as every city suddenly becomes uninhabitable.
What about Limits to Growth? That study forecast that real problems would begin in the first or second decade of the 21st century,
in other words, now. Why is Limits to Growth wrong?
Hey, I have a copy of Limits to Growth right here in my hand. On what page do they predict catastrophic collapse before 2050.
Help me out here but I just can't seem to find it.
As to real problems, hell yes, we are having real problems right now. We have been having real problems in Venezuela and a
lot of other places. But there is a tremendous difference between real problems and catastrophic collapse.
And what about all the other terrible things you are say are happening right now. Hell yes, they are happening and they are
terrible. But they have not yet led to catastrophic collapse. But it is very likely they will lead to collapse in three
or four decades from now.
It's actually from a Guardian article, taken from Bardi's "The Limits to Growth Revisited". I don't know what page the original
graph was on, but I have a copy of the original 1972 graph which shows the same curves, without the more recent data curves.
Guardian article "Limits to Growth was right. New research shows we're nearing collapse" :
It depends on what you call collapse. The UK and USA are both following the curve such that life expectancy is starting to decline.
I think industrial productivity might be going the same way in UK, and definitely our health and old age care systems (which is
one of the measures he uses for "services") are in decline (though the government always finds a way to massage the numbers so
far). One of the authors of LtG has said that once one of the main curves is definitely through an extrema then the models probably
don't work any more – which I took to mean possible accelerating chaos, but might mean something else.
This a unique, one-time only collapse because we never relied on fossil fuels in the past, and we certainly won't in the future.
If you look at energyskeptic/3) Fast Crash, you'll see the many reasons I think collapse will unfold quickly. Turchin, who has
looked at the patterns of collapse in civilizations going back to Mesopotamia, says it takes about 20 years on average. That is
in line with Hook's estimate of a 6% exponential decline, which is the rate at which the 500 giant oil fields decline on average
after peaking (something like 270 of them last I checked), all others (offshore, shale, smaller, and so on) decline much faster,
hence Hooks estimate of an exponential increase of .0015 a year as non-giants increasingly contribute to what's left of production
(giants are now 60% of world oil production). If Hook (2009) is right, that means we'll be down to 10% of what we produce after
global peak production in 16 years. At that point, even if governments are rationing oil wisely to grow and distribute food, you're
reaching the breaking point. Oil makes all other resources possible, so although many resources reaching their limits, the decline
of oil will be the true beginning of the end. No more pumping water from the Ogallala 1,000 feet down, going 10,000 miles on factory
farm fishing boats, and so on. Oil is masking how incredibly far we are over overshoot. Above all, 99% of the supply chain transport
– trucks, rail, ships – depends on oil. 80% of communities in the U.S. depend entirely on oil, by far the least efficient mode
of transportation of the three. Well, it is too big a topic to cover in a comment. I have a lot more to say in my book "When Trucks
Stop Running".
Oh, and when I heard Dennis Meadows speak at the 2006 Pisa Italy ASPO conference, he said that if anything Limits to growth
was head of schedule, with collapse starting as early as 2020. We'll see, too many factors. Also in the past, nations avoided
collapse way past their carrying capacity by trading or conquering other nations, like the Roman Empire, which had to import food
from Carthage and Egypt, no way to grow enough food in Italy.
I'm hoping to see more comments from you in the future, and not just in this one thread, lol.
It's very common for experts in any given field to presume there are none in other fields that are capable of solving the problems
they see as civilization killers.
There are no guarantees of success, but success is possible when it comes to finding and implementing solutions to problems
such as the eventual depletion of oil.
Once the shit starts hitting the fan pretty hard and fast in terms of declining oil supplies, both good and bad things will
happen on a scale that will take the breath away.
The bad will unquestionably include economic collapse across large swathes of some and maybe most societies.
The good will come in the form of action on the part of awakened LEVIATHAN, the nation state. Those of us who cannot see that
once LEVIATHAN stirs and focuses on such problems as we FORCED to deal with soon have little understanding of history , human
nature, and technology.
Now WHETHER , or NOT, Leviathan, Uncle Sam, John BULL, the Russian BEAR, et al, can do enough to keep the wheels on and turning,
instead of falling off, is an open question.
I believe they can, depending on how far gone things are once they begin to come to grips with the various troubles that will
threaten their existence.
People CAN AND DO come together, and work together, sometimes. Consider the case of the USA. We were mostly all isolationists
the day before Pearl Harbor, but within a couple of days after, we were all ready to to go flat out to murder our enemies on the
grand scale, and DID.
Neither I nor anybody else can prove either way whether we WILL work together well enough to prevent outright collapse meaning
we die hard deaths by the tens of millions even here in a country such as the USA.
There's no question that we CAN work together, once we realize we must. Whether we get started soon enough is probably going
to determine just how bad things will get in economic terms.
But between what scientists and engineers can do for us, by way of providing us with better tools, and what we can collectively
do for ourselves by way of collective action, there's a real possibility that some countries will pull thru ok, no longer sleek
and lazy and fat and wasteful, but at least still functional, and with most of their populations still alive and leading a reasonably
dignified life style.
I will have more to say about what Leviathan awakened, scared and enraged can do later on, way down thread someplace within
the next few days, by relating some historical examples.
I too feel that one day the trucks will stop running. It will be a very interesting transition to observe. I imagine it will have
a progression that goes something like this:
-trucks running will increase in cost as will the things that they are running about with inside them.
– trucks will run to less and less places.
-trucks will run to less and less places less frequently.
-trucks will run only very rarely and only for high priority reasons.
-trucks will stop running altogether.
As this process takes place I imagine there will be measures taken to fill some of the void, where and when it is possible
to do so.
Ron – do you think humans will still be around in a million years or even a hundred thousand? If they are I think it will only
be because they have made themselves irrelevant to the environment (i.e. small in numbers and having found a way to live sustainably)
and other species will be evolving without too much human involvement.
Yes, George, I think humans will be around in a million years. Not nearly as many as are around today however. If I had to guess,
and I do have to guess, then I would guess around 10 to 15 million humans would be around a million years from now. That would
be one person alive then for every 500 alive today.
Of course, all fossil fuel would be gone and everyone would live off the land.
But if you doubt human survival, then just what do you think will wipe everyone out? What will bring the human population to
zero?
That sounds as good a guess as any. Part of my point was that they could only survive if they were not intrusive, and therefore
would not be an impediment to evolution of other mega fauna. I think average species life time is estimated at around 1 to 2 million
years, homo is a family rather than a species so the sapiens could go and something else come along, like we took out the Neanderthals.
On the other hand if the bottlenecks get small enough in different locations we could just be whittled away by different causes.
I think average species life time is estimated at around 1 to 2 million years,
The point is George, Homo sapiens is not an average species. If we were an average species we would still be competing with
other species for food and territory, losing some of those battles and winning others. But our numbers would be kept in check
by our success and failure of that struggle, just like every other average species.
Our dominance has overwhelmed all other species. Like a plague, we are killing them all off. There is nothing average about
us as a species.
Ok, but our numbers were kept in check and we were competing like that for almost all of our history, until the Holocene interglacial
came along and we decided agriculture was a good idea, or maybe we had a go before and it never took in a less stable climate.
But before that there is evidence of some pretty tight bottlenecks when we were almost gone either locally (e.g. in India) or
globally. And things like the Roman empire collapse suggest we can forget any kind of technological advantages in a couple of
generations.
But since our brains to a degree where we could create stone tools and use fire, our population has been on a slow increase,
bottlenecks notwithstanding.
What has made us not average is our brains, our mental ability. That is the one thing that has given us a huge advantage
over all other species.
We are smart enough to wrestle all the world from every other species that stood in our way. If another species had something
that we wanted, including even their flesh, we got it. We are smart enough to dominate the world, but not smart enough to see
that we are destroying it.
My point is that unless we find a niche in which we can exist sustainably despite our intelligence and ability to get whatever
we want and dominate the world, then we won't survive very long, and may not even then.
I think some (you for example) are smart enough to see that we are destroying our World.
It may not be a majority view, though I think the numbers are increasing.
I would agree that we so far have not demonstrated that we are smart enough to change what we are doing (reduce the rate that
we destroy the planet as rapidly as possible to zero (or negative, by which I mean restore the planet closer to a natural or sustainable
state).
This may never be accomplished, but we cam move in that direction while reducing our numbers and our impact.
What it is about our brains that makes us not average is our capacity to deny reality. The mind over reality transition (Varki
&Brower) is arguably what gave "sapiens" the advantage, successful but apparently impossible risk taking, to do away with neanderthalensis.
In small scale hunter bands surrounded by magafaunal predators, denial of reality is a decided advantage, but in mass societies
with the capacity to produce mass belief in non-realityy, it is the disadvantage that could do us in. Although not experimentally
demonstrable, the idea that this mind over reality transition was an evolutionary event in the hominid genus 100-200 thousand
years ago is a plausible explanation for sapiens' dramatic cortical development and the development or consolidation of female
sexual selection, not present in our forebears or current great apes.
In a future world scratching a living as we did for most of our history as hunter-gatherer bands, but from a depleted world
absent of any predators, we might evolve the ability to believe reality, without sacrificing cortical development. The first inhabitants
of my country (Australia) managed to get by fot 60,000 years by killing off the megafauna. They were helped by climate change
which dessicated the continent, but hung in there making it an extremely attractive aquisition by my ancestors when they came
along.
In broad terms, I agree with what you are saying here.
"Our dominance has overwhelmed all other species. Like a plague, we are killing them all off. There is nothing average about
us as a species."
But we aren't doing any better than rats or fire ants, lol.
You're dead on about humanity not being an average species. We will be around at least until some other species capable of
wiping us out evolves, and it's unlikely that we will ALLOW such a species to exist, unless it's a microbe and we can't wipe it
out.
If chimps were to evolve just a little further along the lines of using tools and being able to communicate and work together,
and started attacking humans, numerous humans armed only with primitive weapons such as fire and bows and arrows would kill every
last chimp, and they wouldn't lose any time in doing so.
This brings up an interesting question. We know chimps use stone tools as hammers to break nuts, etc, , and that they fight
ORGANIZED fights to the death sometimes.
Is there any evidence they are using stones as weapons . YET?
I once heard an interesting story about chimps. Might have been in one of Pinker's books, I can't recall.
If you hang a bunch of bananas from the ceiling that a chimp cannot reach and you leave an A-frame ladder laying on the ground
the chimp will set the ladder upright and get the bananas.
If you do the same thing with 2 chimps and a ladder so heavy that one chimp alone cannot set it upright, but 2 chimps working
together could set it upright, they'll never get on the same page, so to speak, and cooperate in setting up the ladder. They will
both try individually and fail. The bananas will never be reached.
The charts in your post suggest about 1 billion might work, I would say 500 million would be my guess, not sure where you come
up with 10 to 15 million.
Note that 500 million is roughly the World population in 1550 CE.
Just a different guess as I think a sustainable society could be reached by 2300 at these lower population levels, though perhaps
fertility levels will remain below replacement over the long term so population will continually decline eventually some optimum
will be determined and fewer than two children will not be encouraged.
Humans, that is Homo Sapiens per se, maybe not. Don't forget Cro-Magnons probably caused the extinction of Homo Neandertalis in
about 40,000 years or so ago. Some other future species of the Genus Homo, very likely will be around for another million or so
years. This is what I think they might look like. Maybe they will be called Homo technoligicus implantabilis, feel free to call
them whatever you want. In any case resistance will be futile and you will be assimilated.
Cheers!
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First of all, Ron, a species which destroys its own food supply or its own habitat *does* go extinct. They're currently referred
to as "superpredators" -- it's happened repeatedly throughout history.
Second, regarding population growth, my primary charity for 20 years has promoted sex ed, access to contraceptions, and education
of women worldwide. We know how to halt and reverse population growth in the "underdeveloped world". It's not difficult except
for the religious groups which oppose contraception and oppose women's liberation.
Often the same religious groups who promote burning of fossil fuels. And deforestation.
Basically, whether humans survive depends on whether we defeat those groups, IMO.
Countries like Cuba which are very underdeveloped but essentially *lack* those religious groups (thank you Godless Communism!)
they're doing OK on population stabilization.
There are countries that are religious such as Iran that have seen rapid demographic transition (15 years for TFR to go from
over 5 to under 2). Also non-communist nations such as South Korea saw rapid transitions.
I agree education and gender equality as well as access to modern contraception are helpful.
Religion has it's points, as Twain used to put it, both good and bad. Preachers and priests have a way of figuring out what
is in their own best interests, short term, medium term, and long term.
There are some religions or cultures, which are not necessarily one and the same thing , that do encourage or more or less
actually force women to bear lots of children.
I come from a culture that is very often ridiculed here in this forum, which doesn't bother me at all personally. It's ridiculed
on such a broad scale that it's hard to find a public forum peopled with technically well educated people where ridicule isn't
the NORM.
As religion goes, my own personal extended family is about as religious as they come in the USA. My nieces and nephews and
third cousins, the children of my FIRST cousins, are having kids at less than the necessary 2.1 rate needed to maintain our blood
lines, lol. My informal seat of the pants estimate is that the extended family birth rate is down to somewhere around one point
five.
It's well known that the birth rate in some countries that are supposedly Catholic has fallen like a rock over the last couple
of decades.
And while I can't prove it, it's my firm opinion that once the priesthood in any country comes to understand that it's own
long term interests are best served by encouraging small families, small families WILL BE ENCOURAGED. That may not happen for
another generation or so, and it may not happen at all in some countries, if there is no top down control of the culture and religion.
Priests and preachers don't exist to serve GOD, or any combinations of gods, etc. They exist because they have found a way
to provide a secure and relatively easy way of living largely off the work of their followers.
This is not to say their followers don't get back as much or more as they contribute. Every society has to have leaders, and
priests and preachers can be and have often been very effective leaders. Some of them are effective leaders today.
First of all, Ron, a species which destroys its own food supply or its own habitat *does* go extinct. They're currently referred
to as "superpredators" -- it's happened repeatedly throughout history.
Really, I have never heard of that. The only superpredator I ever heard of are human beings. But if you can give an example
of a species destroying its own food supply and habitat, please enlighten me.
Humans on Easter island is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking of such an example. I'm no expert on Easter island,
however I understand people there did not go extinct, and that there was a small group living there when the island was found
by Europeans. Again, not terribly well informed about that particular bit of history.
When things begin to collapse the grid infrastructure will collapse. Coal factories in China and elsewhere will shut down and
dimming will end. James Hansen estimated that warming may be held back by 50% by dimming, so we can expect warming to shoot up.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130329_FaustianBargain.pdf
With collapses of civilization their will be no remediation of forest fires. Chemical and Nuclear Dumps will burn as well as
the nuclear power plants that have gone Fukushima.
A very underappreciated study is that of decaying leaves around Chernobyl While horses and other wildlife might now roam around
Chernobyl the implications of leaves not decaying is enormous. "However, there are even more fundamental issues going on in the
environment. According to a new study published in Oecologia, decomposers -- organisms such as microbes, fungi and some types
of insects that drive the process of decay -- have also suffered from the contamination. These creatures are responsible for an
essential component of any ecosystem: recycling organic matter back into the soil. Issues with such a basic-level process, the
authors of the study think, could have compounding effects for the entire ecosystem."
Read more:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/forests-around-chernobyl-arent-decaying-properly-180950075/
To just state that humans wouldn't disappear is nothing more than an assertion, as is stating that they would certainly disappear.
However what faces humans is much more daunting than just the chaos of civilization collapse. Those who survive everything else
will have a hard time reproducing with all that radiation around
https://chernobylguide.com/chernobyl_mutations/
Of course long before civilization collapses the countries of the world may well play out the scenario that Richard Heinberg
describes – Last Man Standing. Sound like politics today?
I posted this as a reply to a comment by GF a few threads back.
I highly recommend the following three ASU Origins Project debates and panel discussions to get a good feel for the big picture.
It might take up a good four hours or so of your time. This isn't something suitable for sound bites. It involves a lot of in
depth cross disciplinary knowledge.
"Why did all this happen? However, when you ask why, you are implying that all this had a cause, that someone or some group of
people are to blame for this damn mess we have gotten ourselves into".
I would like to suggest, respectfully, that this wording is the wrong way around. The essence of the problem is that no one
has been in charge, no one has taken responsibility – and that is hardly changing at all.
The world is teeming with governments, corporations, NGOs, and "leaders" of all kinds. But what are all those leaders, and
their estimable organizations, really trying to do? Some are aiming to earn as much money as possible. Others are trying amass
as much power as possible. Most of their programmes have a lot to do with gaining more money and power – which become interchangeable
at a certain point (as can be seen from a study of the US Congress, for example).
An intelligent alien visitor to our planet would reasonably conclude that, although individual humans are intelligent to various
degrees, the human species as a whole is profoundly unintelligent. It has ample means of diagnosing what has happened, is happening,
and will happen. Yet, because it has never developed any organ comparable to the individual's conscious brain, it does nothing
about the obvious threats it faces.
Tom, I think my wording was correct, you just did not quote all of my explanation. You wrote:
The essence of the problem is that no one has been in charge, no one has taken responsibility
No one can take responsibility because no one is in charge of the human race. And as far as being "profoundly unintelligent",
I think that is an unfair charge. Having a blind spot in our DNA does not imply that we are unintelligent. The human race has
never been faced with such a dilemma before. Our brains evolved to its present state during our hunter-gatherer days. We are molded
by evolution to do everything possible to survive and reproduce. There is nothing in our DNA that tells us to protect the biosphere
because the lives of our grandchildren depend upon it. So we don't.
What is happening is just human nature. That's all.
Evolution has resulted in all species, including humans, having a biotic potential that is greater than the carrying capacity
of the niches in which they live. Populations are limited by resource limits and predation, not by self restraint or mutual agreement.
It would have been very unusual, perhaps unique in evolutionary history, for humans to have deliberately limited our population,
even though it might have been theoretically possible due to our 'intelligent' ability to foresee our probable future. Despite
Malthus, Limits to Growth and many other warnings, no realistic attempt has been made to remain below carrying capacity.
As you note, a massive die-off is inevitable, the only real question is when. Like The Cunning Linguist, I personally think
it will be whenever people lose confidence in the global monetary system, as in Korowicz's "Trade Off: Financial system supply-chain
cross contagion – a study in global systemic collapse". Once money stops flowing so does the food supply.
What would cause this rejection of the monetary system? I don't follow the argument. Everyone decides at once that money is
no longer a reasonable medium of exchange. Didn't happen during any financial crisis so far, people couldn't access their money
at Banks after the 1929 crash, but this was less of a problem in OECD nations during the GFC.
The ETP nonsense is just that, anyone who knows their thermodynamics knows that theory is full of holes.
No, but we did come close in 2008. All sorts of debt instruments including commercial paper, CDOs (the root of the problem),
many derivatives and letters of credit all froze up. Without prompt dramatic action by the central banks and the US Treasury,
the financial system could have collapsed. Nobody knew who was solvent or insolvent, so the central banks had to backstop every
financial institution. All this over some mortgage securities based on the US housing market.
Now imagine that growth has turned to continuous worldwide economic recession, the inevitable fate of the global market economy
in the face of energy and resource depletion ( it will happen despite the stupidity of the Hill's Group). Unemployment increases
year after year and tax revenues continuously fall. Every kind of debt instrument, from sovereign debt to mortgages, to municipal
and corporate bonds is more and more likely never to be repaid. Defaults are increasing with greater and greater frequency. The
equities of every company become suspect as more and more companies go under.
Sooner or later, a critical mass of people are going to realize that most debts can never be repaid and are therefore worthless
as assets. Since almost all money is created from debt, almost all money becomes worthless.
The only thing that makes money work is confidence in its value. When confidence in money (debt repayment) fails, the monetary
system fails and without a monetary system, the global market fails.
Billions of lives are dependent on that market functioning smoothly every day. When it fails to function, people will die.
I fully expect to lose every financial asset I own at some point, that's why I am preparing to live without money. Unfortunately,
most people in the developed world can't do that, though they should be trying to do so with utmost urgency.
I admit that if there were a concerted international effort to declare a debt jubilee and start all over with a new world currency,
some form of monetary system might continue after the present one collapses, but I really doubt that creditor countries and debtor
countries are going to cooperate with the rapidity and solidarity needed to manage such a transition.
And even though all the productive assets in the world would still continue to exist after a financial collapse, without a
market to mediate their interconnected function, everything would grind to a halt. I don't see an international command economy
taking over either. That would be harder than creating a whole new monetary system.
The global market economy is very complicated and very fragile. I certainly wouldn't trust my family's life to something that
could collapse virtually overnight and neither should you.
I cannot imagine a continuous world wide economic recession, this is a fundamental flaw in your argument.
Well, I can't imagine how the global market economy and industrial civilization are going to have a steady state economy forever
at present levels of production and affluence. Overshoot means eventual retrenchment and die-off.
Up-thread you estimated the carrying capacity of the earth at around 500 million people. You obviously expect to gracefully
reach that level (in 2300!) through birth control while still maintaining current standards of living.
I expect that we will reach that population, or fewer, due to complications from resource-depletion-caused economic failure
(famine, war, pandemic). There simply isn't enough energy available to make the transition you desire without also destroying
the climate, even if there were the political will to do so, which there isn't.
I suggest looking at the history of the last 100 years to decide which future is more probable. Humanity has had the ability
to create a high technology, steady-state civilization with sustainable population levels for over a century, but has failed to
do so. There is still no evidence that we are serious about making the attempt now. I wonder why you can believe that such a thing
will happen at a time when the resources to make it happen will be declining rapidly. Continuous world-wide recession is a certainty
and unless you are very old, you will live to see it.
And as far as your suggestions for prepping go, my family has already got it's lifeboat ready in a rural tropical community.
I've got the productive land, the community and the guns. I don't expect to rely on gold at all. To my mind, the best durable
trade items are ammo, fishing equipment and livestock.
If raising my own food and living without money is necessary, I can do it. If your eco-modernist utopia magically appears,
I won't be disappointed, or regret one iota of the 'unnecessary' preparations I will have made, but I prefer to err on the side
of prudence.
I don't expect to live forever and as I said don't plan ahead for scenarios I believe have a very low probability of occurring.
As fossil fuel resources become scarce they will become more expensive and we will use them more carefully (or efficiently). There
has been no need to do so for the past 100 years as they have been relatively cheap and abundant. There will be enough energy
from Wind, solar, hydro, and perhaps nuclear to make the transition, as fossil fuel becomes expensive these will be produced as
they will become cheaper alternatives. Much of freight traffic can be moved to rail, which can be electrified, moving goods from
rail to factory or store can be done on overhead wires on main roads with EV used for the last few miles.
Also keep in mind that fossil fuels by nature are quite inefficient in producing electricity with about 60% of the energy wasted,
for heating systems compared to heat pumps there is also higher energy use. The transition to non-fossil fuels will result in
about one third the energy use for the same exergy (or work and useful heat) provided.
I make no assumptions about living standards being maintained, perhaps the transition will be very difficult and living standards
in the OECD will decrease while living standards in less developed nations increase. Note that declining population will reduce
resource pressure and realization of resource limits (as will be clear from fossil fuel scarcity) by the majority of citizens
may lead to changes in social behavior.
Also note that we have only been aware of the climate problem for about 38 years (using Charney report in 1979 as the starting
point).
If fossil fuels are very limited (say 1200 Pg C emissions from 1800-2100) then climate change might be less of a problem, but
this will still be adequate for a transition to non-fossil fuels. Even 1000 Pg of total carbon emissions from all anthropogenic
sources (including fossil fuel, cement and land use change) may be adequate for an energy transition, though it will need to begin
in earnest in the next 5 to 10 years, the sooner we begin the easier it will be to accomplish.
"What is happening is just human nature. That's all."
EXACTLY.
I posted a long rant down thread trying to get this across to people who somehow think we are DEFECTIVE because we don't collectively
behave more rationally, hoping to get it across in terms that are intelligible to those of us who have HEARD of evolution, but
never actually studied it for more than an hour or two at the most.
Nonsense, this is just Libertarian propaganda, which is actually a fake religion invented by real estate investors in the fifties
in a political catfight to avoid rent control legislation. It has now widen to some kind of pseudo-Darwinistic hocus pocus, but
it ignores the obvious fact that we became the world's dominant species be collaboration and long term thinking.
We're doomed if we don't get along with each other, and lots of propaganda is pushing you to believe we never have or could,
and never can or will. But that doesn't make it true.
I'd like to question the assertion that no one is in charge of the human race. In "Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest
States" (Yale, 2017), James C. Scott demonstrates fairly convincingly that humans actively avoided adopting grain-based agriculture
because the labor:reward tradeoff was far less satisfactory than what could be obtained through hunting and gathering. The accumulation
of surplus, and presumably the insurance a surplus would provide against yearly fluctuations in food supply, in other words, was
an insufficient motivation for humans to give up hunting and gathering. As Scott documents quite clearly, this refusal to adopt
agriculture as the basis of the human economy persisted for more than 5,000 years in Mesopotamia, and much longer elsewhere.
So what caused the shift? Alas, Scott fails to explore this in any detail. (Just one of the many weaknesses of the book, which
nevertheless manages to make its central argument very well.)
I will speculate that what caused the change was the coming-together of a sufficiently large number (five? a dozen? who knows?)
of individuals who lacked the ability to feel remorse, shame, or compassion, and who were motivated purely by a desire to enrich
and empower themselves. Modern psychology calls these types psychopaths. I suggest that it was these individuals who, likely with
help from others with the related disorder of sadism (see recent research on "the dark tetrad"), were first able to subjugate
(Scott uses the very apposite term "domesticate") human communities and force them to labor on the land to produce a surplus,
which of course then could be appropriated by the psychopaths and their henchmen.
I am not aware of anyone else who has advanced the notion that civilization was founded by psychopaths and sadists. But recent
psychological research (popularized in books such as Babiak and Hare, "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work") suggest
that psychopaths are four times more commonly represented in upper management than in the population as a whole, so it seems plausible
to me, at least, that the project of civilization and its attendant destruction of the ecosphere has been, from its inception,
forced upon humanity by a small minority.
Phil, thanks for a great post. I have no doubt that psychopaths have had a great influence on civilization. Many great leaders
were no doubt psychopaths. Hitler and Stalin come to mind. However, not all of them were psychopaths. Rosevelt, Washington, Jefferson,
and many other U.S. presidents were not psychopaths. Neither was Churchill or Gandhi.
However, your original sentence was: I'd like to question the assertion that no one is in charge of the human race.
So I kept reading, waiting for you to tell us just who was in charge of the human race. Of course you did not do that.
My short answer to your question would be to ask "Cui bono?" Doubtless not everyone who reaps the most benefit from the biocidal
trajectory of late capitalism is dominated by one or more of the traits of the Dark Tetrad, of course. Some of us might even be
able to argue plausibly that we were unaware of the consequences of our actions. But even though late capitalist society is sufficiently
robust that it continues to work out its internal logic without a lot of direct guidance by the dark few, I doubt it would last
long without their presence among the wealthy and powerful classes. If their interventions on behalf of the killing machine could
be eliminated, my guess is that dismantling the machine would be a much easier project.
Ultimately, it's the ones in positions of power who manifest the traits of the Dark Tetrad whose interventions are critical
to maintaining the status quo. If anyone can be said to rule the earth, it's them.
An intelligent alien visitor to our planet would reasonably conclude that, although individual humans are intelligent to various
degrees, the human species as a whole is profoundly unintelligent. It has ample means of diagnosing what has happened, is happening,
and will happen. Yet, because it has never developed any organ comparable to the individual's conscious brain, it does nothing
about the obvious threats it faces.
That is my view as well! Though some like E.O. Wilson argue that we have evolved into an eusocial species and can at least
in theory function as a hive or termite mound. Where the collective intelligence emerges and even though the individual ants or
bees are stupid the anthill is an entity unto itself is smart and knows how to defend itself. See also Douglas Hofstader and Daniel
Dennett's book, 'The Mind's I', Chapter 11 titled Prelude Ant Fugue. http://themindi.blogspot.com/2007/02/chapter-11-prelude-ant-fugue.html
Also check out Curtis Marean's talk at the end of Inconvenient Truths – From Love to Extinctions from the link I provided above
from the ASU origins debates. He specifically makes that analogy about aliens, in his talk.
Marean is a professor in the School of Human Evolution and Social Change and the associate director of the Institute of
Human Origins at Arizona State University. He is interested in the relation between climate and environmental change and human
evolution, both for its significance as a force driving past human evolution, and as a challenge to be faced in the near future.
Curtis has focused his career on developing field and laboratory teams and methods that tap the synergy between the disciplines
to bring new insights to old scientific problems. He has spent over 20 years doing fieldwork in Africa, and conducting laboratory
work on the field-collected materials, with the goal of illuminating the final stages of human evolution – how modern humans became
modern.
" Yet, because it has never developed any organ comparable to the individual's conscious brain, it does nothing about the obvious
threats it faces."
Such an organ would be very costly, in terms of depriving humanity of the energy and resources devoted to it, depriving us
of the use of these resources for other purposes.
Evolution doesn't create organs that will be useful in dealing with new circumstances, by plan, ahead of time, except by accident.
It's just a "lucky accident" FOR US TODAY that our own ancestors evolved hands capable of grasping things such as branches ..
which set the stage for us to be able later on to grasp a stone and use it as a hammer or weapon.
No planning is involved. NONE. Various deists who accept the reality of evolution but still believe in higher powers disagree
of course.
I can't prove they are wrong. I don't believe anybody else can. All we can do is demonstrate that they have no evidence that
such higher powers exist.
An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, lol.
I doubt if "intelligent" aliens are any different than we are – and therefore probably have a very short life expectancy should
they ever get to an industrial age – evolution can only work from one generation to the next and is therefore incompatible with
longer term planning for species longevity.
"It has often been said that, if the human species fails to make a go of it here on the Earth, some other species will take over
the running. In the sense of developing intelligence this is not correct. We have or soon will have, exhausted the necessary physical
prerequisites so far as this planet is concerned. With coal gone, oil gone, high-grade metallic ores gone, no species however
competent can make the long climb from primitive conditions to high-level technology. This is a one-shot affair. If we fail, this
planetary system fails so far as intelligence is concerned. The same will be true of other planetary systems. On each of them
there will be one chance, and one chance only." – Sir Fred Hoyle
Thanks for posting this Hoyle quote Steve. I have read it before, many times. And the truth of it is so obvious. All the things
that have enabled this wonderful abundant life will soon be gone. Then what?
We recycle what we can, we use less of scarce resources as prices rise and we try to find substitutes for resources as they
become scarce. Also population will fall as TFR falls (with a time lag due to population momentum) putting less pressure on resources.
None of this will be easy, and perhaps not possible, hard to predict the future.
Dennis, Hoyle here, is talking about long-term. Recycle or not, we will run out of all fossil fuels and eventually all metals.
However, recyclig will help, in the short term anyway.
No, we cannot really predict the future. All we can do is look at what is happening right now and say: "If this continues ."
And Dennis, it will continue. Human nature may be changed by evolution. But that will take many generations and tremendous
evolutionary pressure. So right now, human nature being what it is, we can predict that collapse is just down the road. Just how
far down the road is what we are trying to figure out right now.
Ron, if we look at the apparent numbers, say of many species, collapse appears already here, just that the shockwave hasn't hit
yet. Remember, if you see an explosion in the distance, it takes awhile to hit.
Yes some things will continue and others will not.
For example fossil fuel output has grown pretty steadily in absolute terms (about 163 million tonnes of oil equivalent per
year from 1981 to 2016) and I expect that will change (it will not continue).
The total fertility ratio has decreased at about 1.38% per year from 1965 to 2015, but I expect this will continue until the
World TFR approaches the high income nation average of about 1.75 (which would be reached in 2040 if the 1965-2015 rate of decrease
continues).
There may be more fossil fuels available than either of us think, but if my medium scenarios are correct there may be enough
fossil fuel to enable a transition to non-fossil fuel, then we just need to deal with other depleting resources.
Note that the fact that fossil fuels have peaked and declined (which should be apparent by 2035 at the latest), may enable
people to realize that this will be true for every scarce resource and perhaps we will plan ahead and recycle, and use resources
more efficiently.
Much of this is a matter of education.
Perhaps the meaning of soon we use differently.
When you say "will soon be gone." Can you define soon in years.
The sun will eventually destroy all life on Earth, but not "soon", as I define it.
Well, perhaps I should not have said "gone". There will always be trace amounts of everything left. And nothing will suddenly
disappear. There will be a decline curve for everything. But let's deal with the one with the least future abundance, oil. I believe
we are at peak oil right, or very near it anyway. The bumpy plateau may last from 5 to 10 years. Then the decline curve will
be much steeper than the ascent.
Dennis, you must be familiar with the phrase "You cannot get blood from a turnip". High prices will not create more oil in the
ground. We will most definitely have higher prices but they will be high because we have reached the peak. So, $100 oil will not
create a higher peak.
Just my guess but I believe the plateau will average less than 82 million bpd.
Is it a trailing 12 month average of between 80 and 82 Mb/d?
I imagine we will break above 82 Mb/d in 2018 if oil prices are over $65/b (Brent in 2016$) for the annual average in 2016.
For the most recent 12 months (EIA data) ending August 2017 we are at 80.93 Mb/d.
In the low price environment since 2015 the trend in World output is an annual increase of 280 kb/d. This rate of increase
is likely to double (at minimum) with oil prices over $80/b, which would bring us to 82 Mb/d by 2019 or 2020, perhaps this will
be as high a output rises, but my guess is that there is a 50% probability that output will continue to rise above this and perhaps
a 25% probability it may reach 85 Mb/d around 2025.
I thought I did that Dennis. I the bumpy plateau will average about 82 million barrels per day or less. There could be spikes
and dips and it will last from 2 to as much as 10 years. But when it heads down, it will do so with a vengeance.
Ehrlich underestimated the Green Revolution and Haber/Bosch factor that was really upping food production at the time.
Ultimately, he will be proven right.
I met Ehrlich personally when he visited Va Tech sometime around 1972. Visiting scholars often have smaller seminar meetings after
making their presentation to the larger U community, which he did. Not many people attended the particular seminar I participated
in , probably less than a couple of dozen. I was taking some ag courses there at the time, and enjoyed a long conversation with
him.
You're dead on. He badly underestimated what we farmers could do, and are still doing, given the necessary industrial support
system that keeps industrial level agriculture humming.
Sooner or later . We are going to have to deal with the Population Bomb. The resources we are devoting to industrial ag aren't
going to last forever. Neither are nature's one time gifts of soil and water so long as we are in overshoot.
I was head over heels in love with a milk and corn fed girl from Ohio and we were about ready to join the Peace Corp or something
along that line, and go someplace and save the people in some backwards community by teaching them how to farm the American way
all day and enjoy each other all night of course.
But one of my crusty and profane old professors took me aside and asked me if I really wanted to go to XXXXX and teach starving
people how to produce twice as much food so that twice as many of them would starve a generation down the road.
HE was right about the increase in production just resulting in more mouths to feed . back then. Since then, things have changed
dramatically . in SOME countries.
There are good reasons to believe that birth rates may fall dramatically within the next decade or two in at least some of
the countries that still have exploding populations. Maybe a few of them will manage to avoid starvation on the grand scale long
enough for their populations to stabilize and decline.
It's too late for falling birth rates to prevent famine on the grand scale in a hell of a lot of places.
First off, do I think it's technically possible that we can feed a population that peaks around nine billion a few decades
down the road?
This answer depends on how well energy supplies and the overall world economy holds up, with some wild cards thrown in relating
to climate, depletion of certain critical resources such as fresh water and minerals such as easily mined phosphate rock, etc.
New technology and the reactions of the people to it will also play a big role.The role played by governments local to national
to international will be critical, and huge, because only governments will have power enough to FORCE some changes that may and
probably will be necessary.
Here are a few examples.
It may be necessary to force well to do people aka the middle classes, to give up eating red meat for the most part, so that
grain ordinarily fed to cattle and hogs can be diverted to human consumption.
(I expect rich people will still be able to get a ribeye or pork chop any time by buying up ration tickets, or buying on the
black market, or paying an exorbitant consumption tax, or any combination of these strategies.)
Fuels, especially motor fuels, may be tightly rationed, so that enough will be available to run farms and food processing and
distribution industries.
Large numbers of people may be paid or coerced into going to work on farms or in community gardens or greenhouses.
A substantial fraction of the resources currently devoted to other needs or wants may have to be diverted to building sewage
treatment infrastructure designed to capture and recycle the nutrients in human sewage.
I could go on all day.
Bottom line, I think that barring bad luck, it is technically possible that we can feed that many people that long, and for
a while afterwards, as the population hopefully starts trending down.
As a practical matter, I don't think there WILL BE food enough for nine billion.
It's more likely in my opinion that some countries are going to come up desperately short of food, and be unable to beg, buy
or steal it from other countries. Some people, and some countries, are likely to resort to taking food, and other resources of
course by force from weaker neighbors .. maybe even "neighbors" on the far side of oceans.
I may be too pessimistic, but I'm one of the regulars here who think that climate change for the worse, much worse, is in the
cards, and I spend a few hours every week reading history. Humans have always been ready to go to war, even without good reasons.
A lot of people in desperate situations are going to see war as their best option, in my opinion, over the next half century.
Maybe my fellow Yankees will be willing to give up their burgers for beans so that kids in some far off country can eat. I'm
not so sure we are compassionate enough to do so on the grand scale.
If total fertility ratios continue to fall (for the World they fell from 5 in 1965 to 2.5 in 2015) about a 1.38% per year,
there may be no catastrophic collapse.
If that average rate should continue for 16 years then World TFR would be at 2 (below replacement level) by 2031. If the rate
of decrease in TFR experienced from 1965 to 2015 continues for 35 years (to 2050), the TFR for the World would be 1.54 in 2050.
Based on UN data from 2015, 65% of the World's population had a weighted average TFR (weighted by population) of 2.05, but
a more sophisticated calculation using estimates of the population of Women of child bearing age I have not done, I simply used
total population to weight the TFR from each nation which implicitly assumes the age structure of each nation is identical which
is clearly false.
Exactly! That's been my point from the very beginning. It is already way too late to fix things.
We have a predicament that must be dealt with, not a problem that can be solved.
Yeah, they shot white people. Can't have that. Nowadays the cops shoot three people on average every day in America. Nobody cares,
life is cheap in America. Gun deaths are the price of freedom. Native Americans run about three times the risk of white folks,
and black folks run about twice the risk.
It is obvious that humans are the major drivers of extinction on the planet. We are in the Sixth Extinction event and we cause
it directly and indirectly through our actions. the why is quite obvious, all species live to propagate and expand to their limits,
our limits are global at this point and so are our effects. I don't see energy as much of a problem as there is plenty of it in
various forms and we can obtain it if we want it. That however means continuing the high tech industrial form of civilization
which we have embarked upon. Can that be made sustainable and much less harmful, even helpful? Of course it can, it's all about
wise choices and thinking before we act instead of just going for profit.
The loss of vertebrates is just horrible but the loss of invertebrates will be the undoing of our farming and food production
and much of the other life that depends upon them. The loss of insect life due to global human generated poisoning of the environment,
especially food production areas, will unwind much of the food production.
As collapse starts, the chaos of riots and crime will rise sharply. All those mentally ill and drug addicted people will no longer
have their chemicals, causing a trigger point of violence and chaotic actions.
However the major fast cause of loss of human life will be disease. People forget how it was just a few generations ago before
antibiotics. Diseases will spread rapidly among the weak and starving, public sanitation will fail causing more disease to spread.
Clean water supplies will become absent, compromised or even purposely wrecked. Hospitals will fail because of both being overrun
and the power will fail plus supplies will fail. Disease will grow and spread among both people and their animals. It could take
less than a generation to drastically reduce the population of the species, with the resulting loss of knowledge, technical ability
and industrial ability the cascade will go further.
In the bad case scenarios much of the infrastructure will burn putting up a cloud of aerosols and GHG's as well as causing a large
toxic pulse to the environment.
But on the other side humans are very inventive and determined to continue the system that supports a huge population. So we
may expand this time forward for quite a while, but only through smart choices and changing how we do things such as agriculture,
industry and technology. Smart choices, not choices just for profit.
Humans need not worry about the Falling EROI, the Falling Carrying Capacity or the degradation of the environment. Those no
longer matter now that BITCOIN is now trading over $11,000.
Technology will solve all our problems and Bitcoin will make us all wealthy once again.
Ron -- The full text of this paper in SCIENCE will cost you 15 bucks but in my opinion, is well worth it; below is the Abstract.
Commenters are welcome to talk about educating women, etc. but its too late for Africa for the balance of this century. I have
personally observed the situation in Central Africa where you can see a school each containing about 1,000 kids located at roughly
one-kilometer intervals along all significant roads -- a lot of kids. Virtually all schools in Africa are run by churches (of
all types), and you can guess what these guys are teaching about birth control: I've asked, and the answer is NOTHING. AFRICANS
LOVE KIDS. And, health care has improved greatly over the past few decades meaning general health has been upgraded and infant
mortality has been reduced greatly. In fact, I would say the bulk of the UN's efforts in Africa are directed towards improving
general health at which they have been successful.
Sorry for the inarticulate ramble but this is a rather personal interest of mine partly because our family is supporting a
young girl in Uganda who will soon become a medical doctor. I had promised to stop commenting on the Blog but the African over
population crisis issue is one dear to my heart.
WORLD POPULATION STABILIZATION UNLIKELY THIS CENTURY
"The United Nations recently released population projections based on data until 2012 and a Bayesian probabilistic methodology.
Analysis of these data reveals that, contrary to previous literature, the world population is unlikely to stop growing this century.
There is an 80% probability that world population, now 7.2 billion people, will increase to between 9.6 billion and 12.3 billion
in 2100. This uncertainty is much smaller than the range from the traditional UN high and low variants. Much of the increase is
expected to happen in Africa, in part due to higher fertility rates and a recent slowdown in the pace of fertility decline. Also,
the ratio of working-age people to older people is likely to decline substantially in all countries, even those that currently
have young populations."
There is an 80% probability that world population, now 7.2 billion people, will increase to between 9.6 billion and 12.3 billion
in 2100.
I think you are about 237,500,000 too low with your estimate of world population. Well, that was as of a few minutes ago. It
was 7,437,500,000 last time I checked. World Population Clock
However, I think the UN is way off on their population projection. I believe that world population will reach 9 billion by
2050, just about a billion and a half above where it is now. However, I doubt it will ever go much above that. The UN, of course,
is predicting no catastrophes. After all, that's not their job.
The UN systematically underestimates the fall in birth rate associated with better education for women and their access to health
care and contraceptives.
My work suggests that the world runs out of more land that can be put under grain by 2035. This is mainly Brazil and Russia. Just
about every country in Africa is importing grain now. Therefore most of their population growth has to be fed on imported grain.
Most of the costs in producing grain are in energy so a rising oil price will have a leveraged effect on food prices.
Glad you decided to comment. Yes Africa is indeed a problem as far as population growth. With education and improved access to health care and internet
access on smart phones, African women may become empowered and decide to control their fertility using modern birth control. The
transition to lower fertility can happen in a generation.
As an anecdotal example, my family and my wife's averaged a Total fertility ratio (TFR) of 5.5 for the two families (close
to the average sub-Saharan TFR), the next generation of 11 children in total had a total of 6 children for a TFR of about 1.1.
Unscientific and likely too optimistic, but not that different from what occurred in the upper middle income nations of the
World (population about 2.4 billion in 2015) where TFR decreased from 4.93 in 1975 to 1.93 in 2000 a period of 25 years.
It is the low income nations that have lagged in reducing TFR, economic development is a key ingredient to getting population
under control. Easier to say than to accomplish.
Dennis – I guess this site is rightfully energy-centric but what's your view on the other limits that are showing up like potable
water, top soil, phosphorus?
I think recycling human waste might help with top soil and phosphorus, though a Farmer would know more than me. I think recycling
water from sewers can also be done and eventually the expansion of solar power may allow desalination of sea water.
In short, I think there are solutions to these issues, especially as we move to more sustainability (less beef production would
help) and a peak in population as education levels improve would also help.
Some nations such as Iran have made amazing progress on their TFR, from 1990 to 2005 (15 years) the TFR fell from 5.62 to 1.97
and by 2015 it had fallen to 1.75.
African nations should find out what happened in Iran over that period and import some of the lessons learned.
Note that there are many examples of a rapid demographic transition, another is South Korea where total fertility ratio (TFR)
decreased from 5.63 to 1.60 from 1965 to 1990 and in 2015 had fallen to 1.26.
Using South Korea as an example of increased sustainability (the point here?) is not helping your case much Dennis. As their TFR
decreased, their consumption grew exponentially. Just since 1991:
Seems their per-capita energy use has skyrocketed in the last 60 years or so, and they now import most of their energy sources.
They became 9th in CO2 emissions as of 2005. Looks like increased standards-of-living and declining birth rates are not much of
a solution for reducing planetary impacts.
I agree. The point was that population growth can be reduced.
We need two things to happen, reduced use of fossil fuels (which peak fossil fuels will take care of by 2030) and reduced population
(which peak population in 2050 to 2070 will take care of).
Figure below is from page 1153 of the article linked above.
Note that in 2015 the TFR for South Korea was 1.26, if average life expectancy does not rise above 90 years and World TFR falls
to 1.25 by 2100, then World Population falls from 8 billion to 2 billion in about 100 years. This reduces the use of resources
and the pressure on other species.
Transition to wind and solar with pumped hydro, wind gas, and thermal storage backup can reduce carbon emissions and reforestation
as population falls will help to absorb some of the carbon in the atmosphere. Carbon capture and storage of burned biofuels and
cement that absorbs CO2 would be other options for reducing atmospheric CO2.
As fossil fuel peaks prices will rise and the transition to non-fossil fuel will speed up.
The process will be messy, but we are likely to muddle through as there is not much alternative (or not a better one as I see
it.)
I think a common factor in all countries seeing large falls in birth rates is that they are preceded by large falls in death rates.
This typically takes a couple of generations, which is one of the biggest causes of population overshoot. In Iran it was maybe
a bit faster but not much – from above 20 per 1000 in the 50s and 12 in the eighties to around 4 now.
Regarding fertilizers, when you realize that there was a "human bones" market in the 19th century, and that for instance England
"emptied" the catacombs in Sicily for that, or took back the soldiers bones from Waterloo, you get a sense of the urgency for
fertilizer without phosphorus or natural gas based ones.
See for instance below :
"England is robbing all other countries of their fertility. Already in her eagerness for bones, she has turned up the battlefields
of Leipsic, and Waterloo, and of Crimea; already from the catacombs of Sicily she has carried away skeletons of many successive
generations. Annually she removes from the shores of other countries to her own the manorial equivalent of three million and a
half of men Like a vampire she hangs from the neck of Europe." https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe40s/crops_04.html
Or below : https://medium.com/study-of-history/the-bones-of-waterloo-a3beb35254a3
I had a better link regarding the bones from Sicily catacombs (many due to the plague epidemia I think), but cannot find it
back.
And this page above (from "Justus Von Liebig : the chemical gatekeeper" p 178) is also interesting on other aspects, suggesting
Liebig would today address energy ..
The churches which promote childbearing must be destroyed. They are basically the enemies of humanity. Since they're losing in
North America, Europe, South America, and most of Asia, they are targeting Africa.
(And *targeting* is the correct word -- they are deliberately sending missionaries to spread their sick, twisted doctrines
and spending lots of money to do so.)
If you read my story below, Food for the Poor is a religious group. In Jamaica I believe it is affiliated with
Missionaries for the Poor , an international Catholic organisation.
So while they are doing yeoman service in providing shelter for poor folks, they are doing diddly squat to encourage poor folks
to stop creating more mouths to feed and bodies to clothe and shelter. Isn't that just dandy?
Incidentally here's a recent newspaper article from my neck of the woods:
Youth unemployment in the Caribbean is said to be the highest in the world, and crime, partly fuelled by this high rate
of joblessness, is a major obstacle to economic growth in the region, according to Christine Lagarde, managing director of the
International Monetary Fund (IMF).
The IMF boss, who addressed the sixth High Level Caribbean Forum, held yesterday at The Jamaica Pegasus hotel in Kingston,
said that crime imposed several economic costs such as public spending on security and the criminal justice system, as well as
private spending on security. She also highlighted social costs arising from the loss of income owing to victimisation and incarceration.
Can anybody spot my comment? Hint: I used a pseudonym that should be familiar with everybody here.
Can we be so unpolitical correct to call for "A Pope onA Rope?"
Someone must draw a line in the sand- or should we all be under a religious spell?
Or do we want to break that spell?
This was discussed just this morning on NYC NPR, concerning homelessness and the housing provided for low income people. The gist
of it was that although there were programs to help the people with food and housing, very little was really being done to solve
the problems.
"This uncertainty is much smaller than the range from the traditional UN high and low variants. Much of the increase is expected
to happen in Africa, in part due to higher fertility rates and a recent slowdown in the pace of fertility decline. Also, the ratio
of working-age people to older people is likely to decline substantially in all countries, even those that currently have young
populations."
I have the impression that many of us myself included have an outdated and still colonialist view of African societies. I think
changes happening in many parts of Africa will surprise us and technologically leapfrog over much of the built infrastructure
of the OECD countries. I have seen it happen first hand in previously underprivileged parts of Brazil.
How we're using drones to deliver blood and save lives
Keller Rinaudo wants everyone on earth to have access to basic health care, no matter how hard it is to reach them. With
his start-up Zipline, he has created the world's first drone delivery system to operate at national scale, transporting blood
and plasma to remote clinics in East Africa with a fleet of electric autonomous aircraft. Find out how Rinaudo and his team are
working to transform health care logistics throughout the world -- and inspiring the next generation of engineers along the way.
BTW, I have a serious question! Does this kind of technology make the population crisis in Africa better or worse? Would like
to hear some thoughts on the matter.
It is uncanny how this lead post has come about just when I have been thinking about this subject recently. I am currently very
depressed, to the point I suspect it may be clouding my better judgment with respect to various matters. This depression is partly
caused by my views of the future of my little island in particular and the world in general. Let me try and illustrate how my
thoughts have been brought into focus recently.
I travel around the city I live in, passing through all the different types of communities from time to time. We have pockets
of extreme wealth as evidenced by palatial homes with swimming pools, tennis courts and all the creature comforts you would expect
in the home of a wealthy first world resident. Leaving these pockets of extreme wealth, one doesn't have to drive for more than
five minutes to reach pockets of extreme poverty, people who are so poor, they cannot pay rent and cannot envision ever buying
a plot of land or a house, so they build structures on any piece of land that they can get away with. This type of activity extends
across the island and there is no area that does not experience informal settlement (aka squatting). There is a political aspect
to this, in that in an effort to garner the votes of the large voting block that poor people make up succesive governments have
not discouraged squatting, to the point of encouraging it. See
yesterday's cartoon in one of the local rags
for a satirical perspective of the situation but, I digress.
I try to avoid too much contact with people outside my socioeconomic and educational class because it inevitably leads me to
being depressed but, sometimes I end up in that exact situation. This past Monday night was one such case and it was my observations
from Monday night that got me thinking about Peak Oil and carrying capacity and overshoot. I was invited to visit a gathering
and told to bring drinks and that they were going to cook so, I decided not to eat a meal before leaving the city. It was a forty
five minute drive, including a drive through late evening heavy traffic heading westward out of the city, past a big highway construction
project being carried out by a Chinese (honest to God, from China) construction firm that has been active in the island for a
number of years. On arriving at my destination I was told by my host that the gathering was at another house less than half a
mile away.
This particular house was one of
39 houses made
possible by the efforts of a couple from Grand Junction, Colorado (with pics) along with
the local branch of
Food For The Poor . I estimate that, these "houses" measure about
13ft. by 15 ft. inside and are supposed to include a kitchen, a bathroom and two bedrooms. The sister of my host was the recipient
of this house, being qualified for the charity as a result of being unemployed with four children, one of whom was either newborn
or yet to be born at the time the house was handed over to her. She was not yet thirty years old when her last child was born.
Does anybody see where I am going with this yet?
Back to the gathering. On arriving at the house my host informed that no food had been cooked. By this time I was hungry and
asked where was the nearest cook-shop where I could purchase a meal. I traveled with my host to Old Harbour, the nearest town
apart from Spanish Town. I can only describe Spanish Town as an overpopulated, crime infested, thug controlled mess, that becomes
a ghost town by midnight even though it is surprisingly busy by day. I asked my host if I should buy a meal for them also and
they declined but, by the time we got back to the house, they declared that they were hungry and needed to get something to cook
to go with the rice they had. So off we went to try and find a local shop that had what they wanted and was still open. First
one was a 24 hour joint, built using an old cargo truck body but it didn't have all they wanted so it was off to another one that
we managed to catch just as they were closing. We came away with a small packet of "veggie chunks" and some cooking oil. The little
propane stove had been fired up and the rice was almost done so in less than fifteen minutes a meal of rice and veggie chunks
was being served to four or five adults, one of whom had an infant, less than a year old, sharing the meal with her.
So let me weave together how all of this ties in with the subject of the lead post. First the "house" was only possible through
the generosity of citizens of a first world, developed country. The materials that made the house (lumber corrugated, galvanized
steel) are the products of extractive industries that rely heavily of FF, petroleum in particular. The soft drinks and alcohol
that I brought to the gathering were manufactured, distributed and retailed in a system, heavily dependent on external energy.
My vehicle runs of diesel. The rice for the meal I ate and the one at the house was imported from outside the island, again produced
and delivered with lots of help from petroleum. The chicken I ate was locally produced with imported grain, a product of industrial
scale agriculture, probably in the USA. Thankfully many of the chicken farmers are involved in a project that started with
15 kW systems at about 40 chicken
farms and seems to be expanding. The veggie chunks are a meat substitute protein made from soy meal, again a product of industrial
scale agriculture.
The cooking oil was probably one of soy, palm, canola, corn or coconut oil, produced at an industrial scale and imported to
the island. Jamaica was once an exporter of coconut oil before the industry was decimated by a disease called lethal yellowing
back in the early 70s. Virtually the entire population of coconut palms on the island was wiped out by this disease and even though
efforts have been made to resuscitate the industry using disease resistant varieties, more than forty years on, the manufacture
of coconut oil in Jamaica is a tiny cottage industry.
So here we have five or adults, two males and three females, one of which had four children with the other two having one each.
There were other people at the gathering but as far as I am aware only two had jobs, the brother of my host who left before the
meal and the woman with the infant who has a part time job selling lotto tickets. All of these people are living on the edge,
heavily dependent on a system that is in danger of collapse for their very survival and they are far from alone. there are thousands
of them if not hundreds of thousands on this island alone.
If for whatever reason industrial scale agriculture fails, the songbirds are going to be eaten out of the trees. I used to
dissect rats in my sixth form (12 and 13th grade) biology classes and there ain't much meat on them but, if we get hungry enough
maybe we'll turn on the rats. Without affordable propane, every tree and shrub will end up as firewood. This is the reason why
I have an almost obsessive focus on renewable energy, solar in particular. It is my hope that the deployment of renewable energy
can stay ahead of FF depletion long enough for global civilization to transition away from FF. It is my hope that our civilization,
seeing itself on a real time, renewable energy budget, will begin to recognize the fragility of our situation. I have to ask Ron
and others to forgive me as I continue to bring attention to the hopeful stories. It is the only way I can keep myself from sliding
into depression and despair. It is the only way I can cope.
The Green Revolution in the 60s was supposed to solve all our problems, and it solved a lot of them, especially in Europe and
Asia. It works well when you have a lot of water and farm intensively, but is destructive in semi-arid conditions and when used
in extensive agriculture, like the American Midwest.
After the Green Revolution, Asia boomed and Africa fell behind, prompting racist theories. Geography and climate are more likely
explanations. In India, for example, the more arid north did less well than the wetter south. The Chinese were the first to realize
the problem, and started a new generation of re-greening projects to boost agricultural production.
Meanwhile bad farming practices continues to rapidly degrade wide stretches of North America and South America. I was reading
recently about a county in SD that lost 19 inches (not feet!) of topsoil between 1960 and 2014. Many places in America simply
abandoned farming, like New England and Appalachia. People blame red dirt and the crick risin' in Appalachia and glacial rocks
in New England, but that wasn't a problem before soil degradation set in.
The Green Revolution focused on genetics and chemistry, which makes sense if applied correctly. Development economists were
puzzled that Kenyan farmers were uninterested in high yield seeds, but the explanation as simple: They need a regular water supply,
not better seeds. A lot of places in the world get 3-4 weeks of rain a years, and good seeds don't solve this problem. Pumping
the water out of the aquifier isn't the solution either, just ask anyone in Antelope Valley CA, a former grassland turned desert
by the alfalfa farmers.
My mother warned my to watch out for flash floods when camping in the desert. It took me decades to understand why flash floods
are a particular problem in the desert: More or less by definition, deserts are places where there are flash floods. The flash
floods are both cause and symptom of soil degradation. Deserts aren't places where there isn't enough water -- they are places
where rainwater runs off the surface instead of seeping into the soil. Degraded soil can't absorb water fast enough, surface runoff
degrades soil.
The problem with industrial agriculture is that it treats the great outdoors like a hydroponic farm -- it ignores soil ecology
and just assumes the hydrology will work itself out.
A more modern approach starts with water and soil. It's spreading rapidly in Africa, for example with the sand dams in Kenya,
the terracing in Ethiopia and Kenya, and the various planting pit (like zai and demi-lunes) in the Sahel and agroforestry (planting
trees in fields, or crops in orchards) in a lot of arid places.
It's true that mankind is pushing the limits of what the current ecosystem can carry, but it's also true that the ecosystem
could be much bigger than it currently is.
Meanwhile bad farming practices continues to rapidly degrade wide stretches of North America and South America. I was reading
recently about a county in SD that lost 19 feet of topsoil between 1960 and 2014.
There is a serious problem with that statement. No place on earth has 19 feet of topsoil, not even 19 inches over an entire
county.
Topsoil Wikipedia Topsoil is the upper, outermost layer of soil, usually the top 2 inches (5.1 cm) to 8 inches (20 cm). It has
the highest concentration of organic matter and microorganisms and is where most of the Earth's biological soil activity occurs.
EDIT: Here's a shot from Kalkriese, Germany where they are digging out a Roman-German battlefield. The artifacts are all found
at or just below the border between the black topsoil and the red dirt underneath it -- that was 7 BC
In the Kalkriese area, the farmers used sod planting ("Plaggendüngung"), i.e. they removed the top soil on large areas to improve
the soil on their fields.
Therefore, Kalkriese is an example how NOT to do it.
I think the thickness of the topsoil in the area speaks for itself.
My point is that as Ron points out, there is a limited carrying capacity for the planet, but I don't really think we are there
yet, because there are relatively simple methods available to make huge areas of the Earth's surface. Of course, even if it's
possible, it isn't clear it will happen.
there are relatively simple methods available to make huge areas of the Earth's surface.
That seems to be an incomplete sentence. Make huge areas of the Earth's surface what ? Desert? We sure can do that.
We are doing more of that every year. Scrubland? We are doing that also by cutting down the forest and trying to make farmland
out of it. After a few years the land will row nothing of value. That's happening in the Amazon right now.
There is nothing we can do to increase human habitual area without reducing the wild habitual area. That is what my post is
all about. We are destroying every wild thing by destroying their habitat, by taking their habitat for ourselves.
Your last paragraph is not correct. Much of the world is desert, and that desert could be much more productive than it is,
given the right agriculture methods.
Whether that will actually happen is another question of course.
That very same first world country that donated the materials has plenty of homeless and large amounts of poor. It also has large
amounts of empty buildings and huge amounts of food waste, yet they do not take care of their own. That is even a sadder situation
as people freeze to death, starve, and die of simple preventable health problems in one of the richest countries in the world.
Basic needs are not met and the governing bodies are constantly fighting to reduce the paltry benefits that are given. It's a
country full of hate for their own people and hate back at the haters.
There's no inherent evolutionary advantage to caring for people you have no relation to. That's the real reason why all of these
'safety net' programs you describe are hated in the general sense and under attack as time marches on.
Now Tony, we all know the public programs are under attack because of the greed and selfishness of people who already have too
much money and stuff.
We all know it is the greed and the overconsumption that is causing the destruction of our environment and possibly the whole
human race. That is a huge evolutionary disadvantage.
Helping, sharing and cooperating is the advantage. The selfish and greedy are like ticks sucking the world dry for their own personal
benefit.
I study the evolution of human ultra-sociality and the role of culture in enabling it. I am especially interested in how
humans evolved the capacity to cooperate with millions of genetically unrelated individuals, and how this links to the origins
of moral sentiments, prosocial behavior, norms, and large-scale warfare. To address these issues, I combine formal modeling of
the evolution of cooperation with fieldwork among the Turkana. The Turkana are an egalitarian pastoral society in East Africa
who cooperate, including in costly inter-ethnic raids, with hundreds of other Turkana who are not kin nor close friends. Through
systematic empirical studies in this unique ethnographic context, my research project here aims to provide a detailed understanding
of the mechanisms underpinning cooperation and moral origins.
I haven't read your good article just yet (although it is doubtful any of it will surprise me or add to what is already more
or less understood), but just to mention that I recently listened to a
podcast from Chris Martenson's site, Peak Prosperity, featuring William Rees from the University of BC
Two things about the podcast that stood out was that William was in fine form (articulate, clear, concise, passionate, 'deathly'
serious, etc.); and the second was his mention of possibly fundamentally changing the natural system of Atlantic cod (fisheries),
so that they may never recover. Not everything can simply reverse, and quickly enough, if they can, such as, say, with the depletion
of the ozone layer, and when it involves all kinds of living systems– much, and the intricacies/complex interconnections, of which
we are blissfully unaware of, despite some of our arrogant pretensions to the contrary (such as with regard to the avocation of
most if not all forms of geoengineering)– it is very serious.
What concerns me also is how some people, such as on this site, can ostensibly claim a required greenwashed BAU from out of
one side of their mouths, while on the other side, express grave concerns for the ecosystem. We cannot have it both ways.
To me, much greenwashed BAU is just swapping out different forms of rampant resource extraction, pollution and inequability
for other forms.
The system, along with its 'power-politics', is still intact.
IOW, there is no real change.
Loren, assuming that's you, I am certain that radical decline, if not outright collapse, is already well underway, despite
the obstinate mindlessness of some people. Just because some don't see something or want to see something doesn't mean it is not
there.
My simple recommendation, especially for certain people WRT this deathwish-for-a-culture is to let go/
get out (and in the process, learn things like permaculture and
local community resilience, and how our ancestors did some of it). Your comforts are much of an illusion (and predicated, for
example, on natural draw-down).
I knew you'd show up sooner or later and since you've always been critical of my support for renewables and EVs, let's bite.
"To me, much greenwashed BAU is just swapping out different forms of rampant resource extraction, pollution and inequability
for other forms.
The system, along with its 'power-politics', is still intact.
IOW, there is no real change."
Are you saying that "there is no real change" going from corporate owned, centrally located, large scale, FF fired generators
to small scale, individually or community owned, distributed renewable generators? If so, that's not what the FF and corporate
generator class in Australia thinks. They have captured the Australian federal government and are fighting renewables as hard
as they can.
Are you saying "there is no real change" going from ICE powered vehicles to EVs that, are perfectly happy to suck electrons
from any source including renewable sources individually owned or owned by a co-op of which the vehicle owner is invested? That's
not an opinion shared by the Koch brothers who are spending millions of dollars to try and paint EVs in a bad light in the eyes
of the public.
Surely you realize that an individual with solar on their roof and an EV is giving a big middle finger to the status quo, including
FF corporations and utilities who will no longer be able to feed at that individual's trough. In case you don't realize it, that
is a very big disruption of "system, along with its 'power-politics'" and no, in case you haven't been listening, "The system,
along with its 'power-politics'", will not be "still intact."
Now if you read my fairly long narrative further up, I hope the point I am trying to make does not escape you. That point is
that there are millions, no lets make that billions of poor poorly educated folks who depend on things like industrial agriculture
and the current status quo for the basic necessities of life, food, clothing and shelter. If the status quo collapses they are
dead, let me say that again, dead! I'm all for dismantling the status quo and replacing it with something that is much kinder
to all life on this pale blue dot we call home but, I shudder at the thought of millions or billions of human beings starving
to death, just as I shudder at what we are doing to the biosphere. Can you see why I'm depressed right now?
There is no real change if we are still relying on the monstrosity that is the crony-capitalist plutarchy/government-big-biz
symbiosis, such as for solar panels, etc. and/or what some misleadingly refer to as 'renewable'.
If you are in the biz– and I think you wrote hereon that you indeed are– then some might suggest, maybe even me, that you are,
say, 'soft-shilling' and/or rationalizing for your product using POB as your platform, and maybe problematically skewing the narrative
a little more towards a dystopic system that we should be getting the hell out of, while making preparations to do so, like learning
how to do the basics in a local, resilient context so that we do not need industrial agro. The longer we rely on industrial anything–
and as if it's somehow morally/ethically neutral– the harder/faster we will likely fall, maybe along something of a seneca curve.
We cannot eat solar panels and electricity is not a necessity, except to for the brainwashed and the brainwashers.
Attempting to play on people's heartstrings, such as about poor people in so-called undeveloped locales to sell a product they
don't need and that would risk locking them– and others– into a certain ('Western') lifestyle, in some contexts, approaches contemptible,
by the way.
You should already know how sociogeopoliticultural ideologies like Westernisation is foisted upon the global masses through
physical, cultural, mental and intellectual colonialism, with the result often being wars and deaths to people and traditional
ways of life. Just consider the Middle East right now. In the name of what? Oil and oligarchy?
You've said it yourself hereon that you have some kind of slavery in your family, yes? Well, many people are still slaves anyway,
if with coats of white paint. Libya was in the news recently about that– slavery– incidentally.
If we want to do solar panels etc. the right, ethical ways, we need sea changes, such as that avoid slavery and privilege-by-gun,
but I highly doubt we will manage them in time, and suspect that we are already long past that time.
I am not yet in the business of doing anything with solar PV so, as of right now I have no product that I am shilling for, soft
or hard. I am in a business connected to entertainment if you must know. The entertainment business can by no means be classified
as non-discretionary and recent technology has allowed far more people to compete with me so it will be necessary to get out of
that at some point. How about viewing this as something I see as as worthwhile pursuit for the future of mankind, given my skill
set and thus my advocating it as a worthwhile area for me to pursue a vocation in? I am not only advocating for solar PV because
it's a field I can participate in but, because I think it can contribute a great deal to reductions in carbon emissions among
other noble aspirations.
Are you going to start suggesting that I want to get into the business of manufacturing and selling EVs just because I am suggesting
that large scale EV adoption would be a good thing? I ain't no Elon Musk if that's what your thinking. Now, if the shit hits the
fan and motor fuels became really unobtainium, I might take a stab at an EV conversion business, a la Jack Rickard but, right
now even Jack seems disillusioned with that pursuit, having posted only one new video since the middle of August and only two
new blog posts since the last week of July. At any rate the necessary preconditions for such a business to be successful in an
age of factory made EVs, do not exist.
I am with OFM on the point that some of your ideas for agriculture cannot adequately serve the needs of a rapidly growing population
of 7.5 billion people. My dad who was a descendant of rebel runaway slaves, known in Jamaica as
Maroons , was into agriculture and left me and my
surviving sister a six acre homestead when he died. I can tell you agriculture ain't a walk in the park. It's damned hard work
and carries all sorts of risks not faced by other pursuits (droughts, thieves, diseases pests etc.) . You seem to have some romantic
view of agriculture that I do not share.
As for locking people in to a western lifestyle, that doesn't apply to Jamaica. The western lifestyle came with colonization
and slavery. Do you think that people outside of the developed word should forgo electricity, computers, cell phones, the internet
and other modern conveniences?
Despite all of that, the Caribbean has been bucking western culture for centuries. Trinidad and Tobago has their carnival and
it's music and Jamaica has had as big an impact on western culture with our music (reggae and ska) as western culture has had
on us. Even this past weekend, a dark skinned Jamaican woman sporting a huge afro, placed third in the Miss Universe pageant.
The girl that won was from South Africa and could pass for Caucasian whether she is or not and I didn't see any other black women
in the contest sporting an afro hairstyle (not that I watched it).
When it comes to some things, that train has already left the station. No point in romanticizing about what could have been.
I'd rather focus on what small steps we can take to improve things in the here and now, while moving us to a more sustainable
future. I will probably remain depressed until the new year. Probably more to with not having any immediate family around for
"the festive season" than anything else. Maybe the new year will bring some good news on the renewable/sustainability front! That
would cheer me up!
Islandboy–
After being in Central America for quite a while, and that heavy Catholic noose around everyones neck, it was so liberating to
get out to the islands.
Lets Party Mon!
Now you're talking! We in the Caribbean know how to party! I wouldn't be surprised if we woke up the morning after the collapse
and said, "Collapse? What collapse? We were too busy partying to notice"
Having said that, Trinidad is heavily influenced by catholicism, their carnival being associated with the catholic observance
of Lent. I don't see any evidence of the Trinis (as they are known in the islands) taking the admonitions of their various religious
leaders too seriously. Hell! I've never been to Trinidad carnival but, I hear it's one wild party!
On the other hand, Trinidad should have some long term concerns about what they are going to do after Oil and Gas production
fall below consumption and they have to start importing hydrocarbons. What if either prices are too high or supplies are limited?
What if prices collapse due to lack of demand as Seba suggests will happen after EVS and solar begin to dominate transport and
electricity generation?
Way too early to say. The article dated October 4, 2017 says this:
"The feasibility study will evaluate the viability of installing the wind farm, which would represent one of the first offshore
wind installations in Jamaica and the greater Caribbean region."
I expect the feasibility study is going to take months and I would expect them to do some detailed analysis of the offshore
wind resource in the process. It is good that this study is being done so soon after two devastating hurricanes have hit the region.
Should keep hurricanes very much in the picture.
Looking at some Caribbean buoy data it looks like wind would be a good source of power for the islands.
Beside the wind, the island has about 54 billion kwh/day of sunlight falling on it. That is more than ten times the total energy
production per year for the island. Energy is not a problem, how the energy is generated is the problem.
Cover less than 0.1 percent of the island with solar panels and make up the difference with wind power.
I have done some numbers in terms of what it would take to power the island entirely with renewables, mostly solar. Not impossible
but the technocrats, one of whom is a college classmate of mine, cannot wrap their head around 100% renewable electricity!
Incidentally, I came across a video presentation on Youtube (with a really annoying backing track) that at about
3 minutes in contains the following text:
"Seba's forecasts are predicated on the assumption that the cost of generating and storing electricity will continue to fall
– to the point where just about all generation will be solar by 2030. But electricity production would only have to increase by
18 percent in the US to cope with a complete switch to EVs, he said"
That 18% figure squares quite nicely with some back of the envelope calculations I have done.
I've made good friends with a couple of guys from Jamaica who have friends and family here that have managed to get their permanent
paperwork taken care of.
Unfortunately it doesn't look as if they will ever be able to get permanent resident status. They're older guys, and about
as mellow and fun people to be around as I have ever met. They come up for an extended family visit every fall, which just HAPPENS
to be the time of year local farmers need a lot of extra help, lol.
As soon as I'm finished with family duties, I'm going down to spend a month with them.
Will be spending some money on food and utilities and a few new nice things for them of course, because while they're friends,
they're not well off.
We cannot eat solar panels and electricity is not a necessity, except to for the brainwashed and the brainwashers.
Than do the world a favor and unplug yourself from all sources of electricity! At least we here won't have to read your fantasies!
BTW there are plenty of people who understand that the current capitalist system is not the answer, read Kate Raeworth's, Donut
Economics for starters.
Modern humans could no more live without electricity in the 21st century than they could live without food and water. Try living
without refrigeration in any city in the world. You would cause massive starvation in a few days. Try providing medical care to
an urban population without electricity.
You have to be completely delusional to suggest that electricity is not a necessity!
That's all irrelevant to my point which still stands– especially when the system is destroying our planet. We have lived with
electricity for a relative split second of our existence as a species on this planet.
Besides, if we're not treating the planet properly, do we even deserve electricity and its conveniences? I think not.
And then there are assorted uses for electricity, some being more questionable as priorities than others.
Electric car versus fridge?
FWIW, I have personally lived without refrigeration for months in a major city, at least at home after shopping at the grocery
store LOL, but also in the country– more hard-core.
If your local community especially is growing and processing its own food, then it's easy.
There's pickling, drying, fermenting, spicing/salting, alcohol, etc., and natural cool-storage, such as root cellars and simple
cooling-by-evaporation systems.
There's also 'eating as you go'. Other animals do that, and I've never heard of an animal that needs a fridge or electricity,
have you? Maybe your cat at home, but even Meow Mix can last outside the fridge, yes?
But some of us have to actually help make the changes, such as to the narrative, and limit the cling to some kinds of BAU narratives
and fantasies.
Do it for Mother Earth, Fred. Or me. Or Harvey Weinstein or whoever/whatever motivates you. Coral.
Obviously, we can't just turn off the lights and fridges overnight, but there are plenty of ways to manage, maintain and consume
food that don't require a fridge. So if we can't just turn off the lights and fridges overnight, maybe we should start talking
more about how to live without them and/or with greater resilience.
But even if the juice stays on forevermore, some juiceless skills and knowledge are great to learn, have and apply.
BTW, I just watched this documentary on rare earths– the apparently
highly-polluting stuff that's supposed to help power, until they run out, all these new and relatively-useless electrical gadgets
now and in the future to get off of those other pollutants.
but just to mention that I recently listened to a podcast from Chris Martenson's site, Peak Prosperity, featuring William Rees
from the University of BC
Highly recommended.
And I'm not a fan of some of Martenson's guests.
I came across the podcast indirectly via another site, but do sometimes run into Chris' material. He seems good at interviewing
and is easy to follow in videos.
This post is going to be a gold mine for me, because it relates directly to so much of what I'm working on for publication in
book form if I ever manage to finish it to my satisfaction. Here's hoping it attracts over a thousand comments, lol! I'm especially
interested in comments that dispute my own, because those are the ones enable me to understand my own blind spots.
Now so far, nobody has said anything about what I will refer to as the SECOND key fact that one must understand to understand
evolution. Hoyle missed the first one altogether, making a total fool of himself, although he was a brilliant scientist, one of
the top men in HIS field, his mistake being that he failed to understand that evolution BUILDS on it's PAST " accomplishments".
The second key fact I am hereby pointing out is that while evolution creates new life forms that reproduce to fill any and
all available niches, there's no GUIDANCE involved, no overall PLAN, no GOD in charge, if you wish to put it that way.
Evolution is characterized in large part by parsimony, by being conservative in the use of resources. Animals that don't have
use for claws don't have claws like tigers, lol, and animals that don't eat grass out in the fields don't have digestive systems
like COWS. Evolution creates organisms that are "good at" taking advantage of whatever resources are available, WITHOUT REGARD
ANY FUTURE CONSEQUENCES because there is NO LONG TERM PLAN. Behavioral BRAKES that aren't needed don't evolve, lol, and countless
things that would be extremely useful, like eyes in the back of our heads, which would keep us from being attacked from the rear,
don't often evolve either, because .. well because of more factors than I have any inclination to cover at this minute. Half of
the SHORT answer is that eyes in the back of our heads would cost us more in terms of sacrificing something else than they would
gain for us. The other half of the SHORT answer is that since pure chance plays such a big role . the odds are astronomically
high against it happening anyway.
This a comment/ rant, not a BOOK. The BOOK is in the works, and will be available free to member of this forum who may want
to read it and point out shortcomings in it before I publish it, most likely for free on the net. I'm not so arrogant as to think
anybody will PAY for it, lol.
Dead ends, blind alleys, and death, at the individual level, and or at the species level, means absolutely NOTHING to "Mother
Nature" because she is not sentient, she's not moral, she's not even ALIVE in the usual sense. She's just an artifact, a tool,
that we naked apes have invented in our efforts to understand reality.
What I'm getting at, since She IS parsimonious, is that She does not provide brakes where none are needed.
Sometimes things do evolve that prove to be useful under new circumstances, but when this happens, it's just a lucky accident
for the creature involved. If for instance a creature evolves a forelimb capable of grasping a branch, so that it can climb better,
lol, later on the ability to GRASP something MAY come in very handy, because it sets the stage for that creature being able to
grasp a stone which can be used as a tool or weapon. This does NOT mean the creature WILL eventually discover the use of tools
and weapons. It DOES mean the probability of such evolution is vastly enhanced. There's NO PLANNING INVOLVED . except in the minds
of deists who accept the reality of evolution while also retaining the concept of a God or gods or some guiding force of some
sort.
IF the need arises for BRAKES, well then, die off, or even extinction, takes care of the problem. If a given species eats only
a given plant, and that plant goes extinct, Mother Nature does not grieve for either the plant, nor the species that feeds exclusively
upon it,which very likely also goes extinct. She doesn't even consciously keep score, as indifferently as a hired bookkeeper keeps
books for a client he has never met and will never meet. She does however inadvertently create a RECORD of historical "scores"
, which we can read. It's the fossil record.
It's rather amusing that professional biologists go around talking about human stupidity as if there is something inherently
WRONG with people, as if we are collectively DEFECTIVE. We are what we are because we are final product ( up until today ) of
our own evolutionary history. We're as " good " or "well designed "as we are evolved to be, like all other living creatures.
Engineers build in safety margins, and add features that may be useful, under certain circumstances, when they design things,
because they DO work with and from PRECONCEIVED PLANS. Mother Nature doesn't make plans, she just deals and redeals the cards,
over and over, and will continue to do so until all life on this planet perishes which won't be until the sun expands sufficiently
to destroy the last vestiges of life on it.
We are NOT something different from the rest of biological creation, we do NOT operate under different rules, we aren't on
some sort of fucking pedestal, separate from the rest of the biosphere. THAT whole crock of shit sort of thinking is one of the
cornerstones of kinds of the thinking that some of the regulars here like to make fun of, such as religion, nationalism, racism,
etc.
A biologist who talks about humanity as if humanity SHOULD BE EXPECTED to display a hive like consciousness has his head up
his ass. NO. NO. No.
We have succeeded,basically for no other reason that accident in the last analysis, to the point we compete mostly with each
other, rather than other species.
The evolved PROGRAMS hard wired into our brains that drive our behavior DO NOT include much in the way of built in brakes,
because BRAKES HAVE COSTS. If we over populate, if we use up critical resources on which we depend for our survival, and perish,
there's NOBODY who gives a shit.. other than some of us who are aware of the fact that we ARE in overshoot. Mother Nature is INCAPABLE
of giving a shit.
The whole fucking idea that we are SOMETHING SPECIAL was probably originated by the first priests and their allies. It's an
idea that has little to do with any discussion based on real SCIENCE within the context of understanding our own overshoot .
Now none of this rant should be interpreted as indicating I don't know and understand that humans are tribal creatures, that
we are social creatures, and that we survive and thrive because we DO live and work cooperatively. The thing is , we survive and
thrive as COMPETING communities, tribes, and nations, rather than as a SINGLE global community. Wolf packs compete. Prides of
lions compete. Bands of chimps compete. We humans compete with each other. Talking as if we are DEFECTIVE because we behave this
way is a waste of time.
When the shit hits the fan hard enough and fast enough, we do sometimes cooperate with our former enemies, at least temporarily.Old
enemies can be new allies.
It's at least THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE that we can cooperate as a SPECIES, at the global level, in order to solve some or maybe
even most of the problems associated with our own overshoot. We have cooperated before at levels up to and including the global
level. In WWII, most of the developed countries of the world were involved as partisans on one or the other side. We cooperate
to some extent at the global level now, in economic terms, and in terms of our physical security, as for instance in arms control
agreements.
But just because it's theoretically possible that we can cooperate at the species level globally doesn't mean it's going to
happen. I don't think there's any real likelihood of it happening, although alliances consisting of the various major economic
and military powers do exist and will continue to exist and some of these alliances will prove to be critically important in determining
the course of future history.
"A biologist who talks about humanity as if humanity SHOULD BE EXPECTED to display a hive like consciousness has his head up his
ass. NO. NO. No." Do you mean E. O. Wilson has his head up his ass?
In his newly published The Social Conquest of the Earth -- the 27th book from this two-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize
-- Wilson argues the nest is central to understanding the ecological dominance not only of ants, but of human beings, too. Ants
rule the microhabitats they occupy, consigning other insects and small animals to life at the margins; humans own the macroworld,
Wilson says, which we have transformed so radically and rapidly that we now qualify as a kind of geological force. How did we
and the ants gain our superpowers? By being super-cooperators, groupies of the group, willing to set aside our small, selfish
desires and I-minded drive to join forces and seize opportunity as a self-sacrificing, hive-minded tribe. There are plenty of
social animals in the world, animals that benefit by living in groups of greater or lesser cohesiveness. Very few species, however,
have made the leap from merely social to eusocial, "eu-" meaning true. To qualify as eusocial, in Wilson's definition, animals
must live in multigenerational communities, practice division of labor and behave altruistically, ready to sacrifice "at least
some of their personal interests to that of the group." It's tough to be a eusocialist. Wouldn't you rather just grab, gulp and
go? Yet the payoffs of sustained cooperation can be huge. Eusociality, Wilson writes, "was one of the major innovations in the
history of life," comparable to the conquest of land by aquatic animals, or the invention of wings or flowers. Eusociality, he
argues, "created superorganisms, the next level of biological complexity above that of organisms." The spur to that exalted state,
he says, was always a patch of prized real estate, a focal point luring group members back each day and pulling them closer together
until finally they called it home. "All animal species that have achieved eusociality, without exception, at first built nests
that they defended from enemies," Wilson writes. An anthill. A beehive. A crackling campfire around which the cave kids could
play, the cave elders stay and the buffalo strips blacken all day. Trespassers, of course, would be stoned on sight.
As is evident by some of the comments on this thread, while the hive may be able to display collective intelligence, the individual
ants can still be pretty dumb! Do check out the link I posted to 'The Mind's I' chapter 11 Prelude to Ant Fugue.
The idea is still sound! If humans have not yet evolved to the point that they are able to include the whole globe as a part of
their hive Well, that's a separate issue and may indeed mean that we are collectively fucked! Because not enough of us have reached
that particular point in our evolution.
As George Carlin once said: "The Planet is fine, it's the people that are fucked"
An idea is sound only if it can be implemented, otherwise it is just a bunch of sugars turned to heat and in this case trees turned
to wastepaper.
My point was not that E.O. Wilson is wrong, but that he would not have presented such a point if he did not think it possible
or even probable. It was OFM that was the one saying it was not possible, which is a rather narrow view of humanity. Humanity
cooperates on large scale right now.
Looking at the update of Limits to Growth I get the feeling that the flattening out of some of the parameters (energy, industrial
output) may be misinterpreted. The same thing would happen if an energy and industrial transistion were occurring.
The key question is what does a transistion look like initially?
A field to a forest transistion looks a lot like field, then some bushes with a few small trees, then eventually almost all
trees. Originally the trees are hardly there at all and don't seem to be having much effect as their leaves smoother a lot of
plant life around them and they take up more and more of the solar energy that used to reach the ground. It starts small then
spreads to complete takeover.
An energy and industrial transistion goes hand in hand with a social/governmental transistion. It looks small and scattered
at first but steadily fills in even despite the resistance of the legacy systems. Key to the fast takeover is the weakening of
the previous growth and it's demise leaving easy space for the takeover.
For example, I have a kitchen ceiling light fixture. It has three bulb positions. I had replaced the three 60 watt incandescent
bulbs years ago with a 100 watt CFL (running actual 25 watts).
Last night the CFL started flickering so I pulled it and it had burn marks on the base of the bulb. The CFL bulb has now been
replaced by two 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs which together use only 16 watts and provide more light than the CFL.
Also the LED bulbs may never have to be replaced in my lifetime. 180 watts to 16 watts and no more replacement, that is high ground
transistion! Now $4 replaces over $500 on the user end and eliminates large amounts of pollution.
The power cost and economics have overshadowed the legacy instrument in an inexorable way. The death of an individual instrument
allowed the replacement by a superior one.
I think that effect has been happening all across the world in many areas of energy use and industrial process for decades. This
effect may have been interpreted as a reduction in energy and industrial output while it is really mostly a transistion in process.
So how do we get a fast takeover? Strand and remove the old legacy assets and systems plus do not replace dead systems with
the same system. The action is harsh, but that is how it is done.
I will know we are on the right course when I see those large glass buildings being stripped of their components, their glass
re-used, their steel reused and recycled, their wiring removed as they are removed. Why and how do we put up R2 buildings that
soak up huge amounts of energy for heating and cooling? They need to go now. Passenger vehicles that get less than 150 pMPG need
to go now and no passenger vehicle that gets below 400 pMPG should be built ever again. There are many inefficient, harmful and
problematical systems that could be removed and changed.
Trash the old ways now and insert better ways, ones that work longer with less harm. Make new systems that heal soil and nature
in general. The collapse is occurring now, take advantage of it by putting in superior systems that allow E.O. Wilson's Half-Earth
idea to flourish, not finish.
Personally, until a lot of the old stupid harmful systems are put aside we can't see clearly if a fast collapse is at hand
or not. Maybe if we just stop following bad and stupid we can ease off our consumption of the planet and reverse some of the major
problems we face. There may be no real need to go through a grand scale collapse and huge loss of species.
""It was OFM that was the one saying it was not possible, which is a rather narrow view of humanity. "
BULLSHIT.
Here's what I actually said in a comment upthread. It was posted a day previous to your comment, lol.
"It's at least THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE that we can cooperate as a SPECIES, at the global level, in order to solve some or maybe
even most of the problems associated with our own overshoot. We have cooperated before at levels up to and including the global
level. In WWII, most of the developed countries of the world were involved as partisans on one or the other side. We cooperate
to some extent at the global level now, in economic terms, and in terms of our physical security, as for instance in arms control
agreements. "
Perhaps I ought to lecture you a little on the meaning of the word EXPECT within the context I used it, which I think is obvious
enough to anybody who WANTS to understand. In this context, expect means (or not ) that cooperation will happen spontaneously,
or with only moderate incentives.
I don't think global level cooperation will happen, IF it happens, until the incentives to cooperate are OBVIOUS and overwhelming,
when it comes to really changing the way we do things. I don't think any competent biologist will argue with this position, speaking
in the broadest terms, painting with the so called broad brush.
We do after all have a few thousand years of known history that indicates that we are as apt to fight as cooperate, lol.
When the shit hits the fan hard enough, id it also hits slowly enough for us wake up , I EXPECT ( PREDICT ) that WE WILL COOPERATE
on the grand scale, at least up to the nation state level, in most nations, and frequently at the international level, and MAYBE
even at the global level.
I must admit I'm a little behind in reading E O Wilson, who is as capable a scientist as any in his field, and head and shoulders
above almost all the rest, in my opinion. He's also one of the best writers ever in his field, probably THE best writer in biology
in my personal opinion.
But so far as a I know, and I have read all of his older books, unless I'm mistaken, he would basically agree with me, because
I am, as I interpret his work, AGREEING WITH HIM.
There's a HELL OF DIFFERENCE between EXPECTING people to cooperate on the grand scale, and believing they are capable of doing
so.I believe we are capable of cooperating on the grand scale, given sufficient motivation to do so, and have said so already
in this thread. I don't EXPECT us to cooperate with people we see as outsiders and enemies, but given new circumstances, new conditions,
new problems, new fears, we can and sometimes do find new common ground, and make friends with former enemies.
I'm ready to bet the farm that I'm WITH E O WILSON, rather than AGAINST HIM.
Nuance matters.
To me at least, lol.
A couple of days back in another thread, you lectured me, telling me to THINK GLOBALLY, as if to imply I 'm unaware that most
of the people in the world are still desperately poor. I have never said that most of humanity is well off. I have never IMPLIED
that most of humanity is well off.
What I DID say, is that FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, quoting myself, that there is a sound case to be made for the trickle down effect,
and that a substantial number of even very poor people humanity HAVE ALREADY benefited greatly from economic and technological
progress.
Hundreds of millions of desperately poor people are benefiting today from progress made in fields ranging from public health
to industrial agriculture to renewable energy , etc. Hundreds of millions of very poor people are making relatively fast economic
progress by some measures, for instance in the rate at which they are able to make use of at least some electricity, even if it's
only a single light powered by a battery recharged by a small solar panel.
The less you have, the greater the marginal value of anything new you are able to get.
Just one rechargeable light is worth a LOT to a person who has no other option than perhaps a candle or kerosene lamp or a
home made torch.
Incidentally I can remember being told by my grand parents that back when they were kids, it wasn't at all usual to literally
light a ( corn ) shuck to provide some light so as to make a quick run to the outdoor privy or take care of some other after dark
chore. They had kerosene, but it was considered wasteful to use it unnecessarily.
Things can and do get better sometimes, even on the global scale, lol.
E.O. Wilson would not have written the book Half Earth if he did not think that people could and would cooperate on a grand scale.
I don't think he was just blowing wind. Your statement was a direct affront to him and many others.
I have not read his latest book yet " The Social Conquest of Earth" which relates to this subject.
" Your statement was a direct affront to him and many others."
Bullshit again. You're deliberately twisting my words into something I didn't say.
You brought up his name, and you have put words in his mouth, as well as mine, in a manner of speaking.
I will say it again. There's a DIFFERENCE between EXPECTING or PREDICTING cooperation between large and diverse groups of people
EXCEPT when circumstances leave the various groups little or no choice, and they have COME TO UNDERSTAND that the only real option
they have IS to cooperate.
ONCE various competing groups or societies come to understand that they have little or nothing in the way of viable choice
other than cooperation, well then I PREDICT OR EXPECT them to cooperate.
I believe my position is entirely consistent with E O Wilson's thinking and beliefs, speaking in general terms.
If you want to play word games,I'm ready, because it's TRAINING as well as entertainment for me. I need all the practice I
can get when it comes to making my arguments clear before I go out on my own with my own book and web site .. EVENTUALLY.
The audience here is sophisticated enough to understand nuance, lol.
You ask for opposing opinions then you get nasty and personal and show no sign of wanting to learn or discuss anything, just shove
your ideas. Since you apparently are not capable of dealing with opinions or thoughts other than your own, I will cease interacting
with you. Plus you are always yelling in your comments, very rude.
Here is what you actually said ""A biologist who talks about humanity as if humanity SHOULD BE EXPECTED to display a hive like
consciousness has his head up his ass. NO. NO. No."
I want opposing opinions , and I'm always on the lookout for new facts. I do NOT want my words twisted into pretzels so that they
appear to mean something diametrically opposite to what I actually said, by taking them out of context.
I think you are more interested in finding personal fault with me than you are in actually discussing facts, possibilities,
and ideas.
I use a lot of caps, but seldom more than five or six words at a time, because caps are a lot quicker for me than taking time
to use italics or bold.
I'm not presenting a paper for publication here, lol. I'm just participating in a conversation. If you want to take offense,
feel free, it's still somewhat of a free country.
" Your statement was a direct affront to him and many others."
Bullshit again. You're deliberately twisting my words into something I didn't say.
You brought up Wilson , and you have put words in his mouth, as well as mine, in a manner of speaking.
I will say it again.
There's a DIFFERENCE between EXPECTING or PREDICTING cooperation between large and diverse groups of people under ordinary
circumstances versus under new and compelling circumstances.
IF AND WHEN circumstances leave various groups little or no choice other than cooperation, , and they have COME TO UNDERSTAND
that the only real option they have IS cooperation , well then .
I expect or predict that such groups WILL cooperate, sometimes, maybe even almost every time.
I believe my position is entirely consistent with E O Wilson's thinking and beliefs, speaking in general terms.
The audience here is sophisticated enough to understand nuance, lol.
Well, MOST of the audience here , anyway.
Understanding is tough for those who prefer NOT to understand.
This is pretty much nonsense. People are very different than other animals because they get ideas in their head and follow them.
That's the secret to our success -- we change our game plan all the time instead of being stuck in a single niche like most species.
It's always hard to guess which ideas are going to work out, but societies choose -- so to speak -- whether to destroy themselves
or not.
America has been choosing self destruction for several decades, and the eschatology our wacky creed planted in our minds seems
very attractive, especially to old farts -- the alternative is to try something different.
Many societies have shown themselves to be resilient an sustainable. America has a colonial mentality that doesn't support
that, even when it's obvious. My grandmother was born in Kansas and when she talked about the Dust Bowl she would shake her head
and say, "I always told them not to cut down those cottonwoods -- they were the only thing keeping the farm from being blown away".
Now they're depleting the aquifier in Kansas by planting maize for diesel. So the desert will continue to spread.
But the Japanese aren't like that at all. They've been planting trees for centuries. They don't have much choice, because the
hills aren't very stable there. They'll get through.
And the Sahel Zone, the world's worst and poorest place, is changing as well. They've started replanting. A lot of them will
survive.
Crazy hippies like this may do better than you think. Civilizations come and go, the species won't die for a while.
Root hog or die, as my father used to say. You can't imagine a world without Walmart, but it isn't the end of the world.
Another thought -- The Tasmanians. They were probably the wolrd's most primitive culture. They were cut off from the very old
Australian mainland after the Ice Ages, and seems to have even forgotten fishhooks one of mankind's oldest technologies. But they
had their ways, and they survived.
thank you Ron for this posting. I am in complete agreement with you on this.
nothing more important. it is a bizarre and tragic spectacle to behold, and to participate in.
what a poor use of such an incredible biosphere.
Many people from the looks of it here try to deal with the crises we face as a species and civilization the same way as myself.
I spend much time here in front of modern electronic gadgetry. It's useful in distracting the mind from a diseased dying world
along with a way to pass the time while waiting on my Lord and Savior to return to cleanse all the wickedness Satan has saturated
humans with. Yes this is truly a sick sad world we live in now. Matthew 13:38-40.
It's useful in distracting the mind from a diseased dying world along with a way to pass the time while waiting on my Lord
and Savior to return to cleanse all the wickedness Satan has saturated humans with.
You are likely to be waiting a very long time. Religious stupidity makes the problem worse, never better.
1. Any quotes of someone's book on collapse and how collapse happens based on history . . . all worthless. There is no history.
2) There is no history because there has never been 7 billion before. There has never been collapse with nuclear weapons involved
before. There has never been collapse with the maggot and fly total in the atmosphere from 6.5 billion corpses before.
3) Chinese oil consumption lags US per capita and they are striving mightily to correct that, as they should. When per capita
consumption growth becomes difficult, they HAVE to take oil from someone else. That someone else's population starts to starve
for lack of food production or transport. They object to the theft of "their" oil. War. They must. War or starve.
4) Consider Japan. Consider the relations between China and Japan. Japan cries out . . . you're taking this oil to improve
your country's standard of living and you are starving our country to death to do this. How can you find morality in this? China
will have no trouble whatsoever contriving morality in this.
5) Simply that. When there isn't enough to go around, no one will quietly accept inadequate amounts. Nor should they. All other
stuff about global warming and debt and sacrificing lifestyle for someone else is just so much bizarre delusion. You got too little
to live, you kill whoever took it.
'Black Earth: The Holocaust as History and Warning' by Timothy Snyder is quite good. If you're not into the minutia of east European
history circa WW2 then just cut to the conclusion. 'Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin' is good too.
Almost anyone, I suppose, can call himself or herself an anarchist, if he or she believed that the society could be managed
without the state. And by the state -- I don't mean the absence of any institutions, the absence of any form of social organisation
-- the state really refers to a professional apparatus of people who are set aside to manage society, to preëmpt the control of
society from the people. So that would include the military, judges, politicians, representatives who are paid for the express
purpose of legislating, and then an executive body that is also set aside from society. So anarchists generally believe that,
whether as groups or individuals, people should directly run society.
-Murray Bookchin
Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough
to rule others.
-Edward Abbey
Let's assume for a moment a World without any governments at all.
Let's also assume there at 7.4 billion people in the World.
I just don't see how that works. The World is not a perfect place, but it is far from clear that a World without any government(s)
would be an improvement.
When some one comes up with a plan that is appealing to the majority of citizens in some nation, perhaps such a form of non-government
will be instituted.
Collapse Dynamics: Initial Conditions, Media Manipulation and The Short-Circuiting of Consensuality
Hi Dennis,
I see anarchy, if it is understood correctly, as potentially having government if it is optional/consensual/legitimate.
For example, if I want you to represent me until which time as I say otherwise , then you can if you wish
.
I also see anarchy as potentially 'hierarchical', or at least pseudohierarchical, if it is chosen freely.
So, for example, if I want you to tie me to a bed and have your way with me as your 'slave' if you wish ,
until which time as I or you opt out , then that is still ok. (fans face with hand)
It is about consensuality and a large part of the whole idea behind media manipulation of the masses is to 'short-circuit'
consensuality– IOW, to make the masses consent to what they might not have normally consented to.
At the moment, I do not consent, for example, to what we call 'government' to take my money, or 'skim my labor', such as in
the form of taxation. It is an 'initial condition' (think the butterfly effect) that can cascade, and seems to have cascaded,
over time into dangerous, 'hurricane', territory. I mention this angle also to hopefully appeal to your apparent understanding
and appreciation of physics and physical dynamics over time.
Right now, there is software available, ostensibly to support government governing consensually, called
Loomio . There are likely others as well.
Your assertion does not necessarily stand to reason and is just an assertion without support. I could flip/modify it this way:
If taxes were consensual, then people would likely feel a greater sense of belonging to their locales and how they are shaped
and so give them freely and as they see fit.
Consensual tax collection could be viewed as part of the modus operandi of actual government, rather than as a kind of
large-scale centralized armed coercive mob, such that it appears.
See also here . I'll paraphrase
some of it for you (again)
" if economics is to become an instrument of freedom and prosperity instead of an instrument of statism, then there are
certain fundamental fallacies that must be continually challenged and discredited. Chief among these is the persistent non
sequitur from externality to coercion -- that is, the bogus conclusion that coercion is a proper means to solve problems involving
economic externalities.
One of the most blatant examples of this non sequitur occurs in discussions of the 'free rider problem' and the alleged
solution of government provision of so-called 'public goods'. This is a particularly insidious economic theory that bears a
great deal of the responsibility of derailing economics into the ditch of statism." ~
Ben O'Neill
A system that works for many more people, rather than a handful of elites, would appear to be a system that truly echoes what
the people actually want, rather than what they are forced to.
On the matter of carrying capacity, I have a minor quibble with some of the ideas presented here. Let me start by outlining my
understanding of what is being said about carrying capacity.
"So for many millions of years, the terrestrial vertebrate biomass remained at about two hundred million tons, give or take"
So that lays a base line for carrying capacity but, unnatural selection, the selection of higher output varieties of crops
or genetic engineering of crops would have raised the carrying capacity and I suggest, that increased carrying capacity would
be sustainable indefinitely. The use of fertilizer, primarily organic types, if done in a sustainable way and by that I mean,
returning animal and human waste streams to the soil, would also result in a more or less permanent increase in carrying capacity.
So far, I've outlined two methods that humans could have used to positively influence carrying capacity more or less permanently.
The big change in carrying capacity comes with the FF age and the industrial revolution, first with the advent of mechanization
and then with the Haber-Bosch process. A quick Internet search to refresh my memory of what the Haber-Bosch process entails, reveals
that it is the chemical synthesis of ammonia (NH3) from nitrogen and hydrogen. Herein lies the basis for the connection between
the petroleum industry and fertilizer industries and by extension carrying capacity. However, if we have enough excess energy
we can easily get nitrogen from the atmosphere and hydrogen from water though I'm not sure how well that would work at a industrial
scale at a global level.
So between the manufacture of fertilizers and the use of diesel powered machinery in farming, we have seen a huge increase
in the ability to produce food. Ostensibly this ability can only last as long as the NG used to obtain hydrogen at an industrial
scale and the petroleum to fuel the farm machines. However, the University of Minnesota has a Wind to Nitrogen
Fertilizer project that aims to use excess wind power to manufacture ammonia so, it may well be that, if sufficient amounts
of renewable energy can be harnessed, the manufacture of nitrogen fertilizers could be extended way beyond the end of the petroleum
age.
That is the basis for my minor quibble. Obviously, fossil hydrocarbons have allowed us to increase the carrying capacity of
the planet in a way that can only last as long as the finite hydrocarbon reserves do. Might it not be the case that, a transition
to renewable energy on a massive scale would allow a more or less sustainable increase in the carrying capacity of the planet
above and beyond the 200 million tons of terrestrial vertebrate biomass that existed 10,000 years ago? I would argue that, from
the standpoint of energy, renewable energy has the potential to yield a far more sustainable increase in carrying capacity than
fossil energy has. What the level of that carrying capacity is would require a fair amount of academic research.
I fully concede that there are all sorts of other resource limits that will negatively affect carrying capacity. Maybe I'm
just bargaining.
Islandboy, there is no doubt that the carrying capacity of human beings can be increased somewhat by the use of organic
fertilizers. But it is chemical fertilizers that have very dramatically and very temporally increased our carrying capacity.
Of course when the carrying capacity of humans is increased the carrying capacity of wild species, especially megafauna is
decreased.
That is one thing that just drives me up the wall. Everyone is concerned about the welfare of human beings. No one seems to
give a rats ass about the welfare of all other species.
Hi Ron, I hope your doing well. Thank you for a great post. It sure explains why Costco was so F'n busy last weekend.
"No one seems to give a rats ass about the welfare of all other species"
That's just not all true. I'm pretty sure GoneFishing cares about his dog a lot more than myself.
"the selection of higher output varieties of crops or genetic engineering of crops would have raised the carrying capacity
and I suggest, that increased carrying capacity would be sustainable indefinitely"
I think you could include the knowledge of harvesting water and controlled irrigation also increasing sustainable capacity
Humans evolved to become the equivalent of RNA in cells. We use tools and information, primarily in technological cells and use
them with ATP equivalent fossil fuels to do work. Like organisms or cells in the ecosystem, human organizations seek to grow,
profit and take market share – to further their existence.
The human brain is primarily a reward seeking organ as is most neural tissue in the ecosystem. Since humans are dissipative
structures, not seeking rewards is the greatest threat they face. Most other threats, short of being chased by a pack of wild
dogs, can be watered down and ignored since the brain must concentrate on getting resources and energy. Even though a human can
think about things, it does not substitute for being greedy and gathering as much wealth as possible and reproducing prolifically.
We're selected for doing that.
The natural greed which evolved because of natural scarcity in the ecosystem, did not wane as we evolved into a technological
setting. There is no limit on our desires to be "rich" because we perceive associated advantages in survival and reproduction.
Civilization is an explosive cancer that emerged from the ecosystem to consume and destroy the ecological body. Humans are the
RNA that can't stop reproducing and stimulate the growth of new cells and distribution systems until the entire consumable earth
is covered and the ecosystem dies or at least becomes much less complex.
In many wealthy nations total fertility has fallen below the replacement level, in fact for about half the World's population
TFR is below replacement (dividing things up by nation state). Generally it is higher income nations where this is the case and
correlation between education level and total fertility is very strong.
These facts and the trend in Global education levels for women don't square very well with your theory.
As Ron has suggested, homo sapiens sapiens is not your average species.
Even the education occurs in schools, the cellular equivalent of the nucleolus. Instead of pursuing the rewards of children, women
are pursuing "wealth" created by the technological system. I'm not sure which one is most damaging.
The natural greed which evolved because of natural scarcity in the ecosystem, did not wane as we evolved into a technological
setting. There is no limit on our desires to be "rich" because we perceive associated advantages in survival and reproduction.
And out of which orifice did you pull all that BS out of?! Let me guess, you are of the Neo-Liberal Economist school of though,
right? Try cracking a few tomes on human evolution and anthropology instead of failed 20th century memes about the nature of man
and rationality of markets.
You don't see any greed? None in the ecosystem? Why is everyone trying to accumulate more wealth? Why do all organisms struggle
to eat and reproduce to the maximum? Look in the cell, it's all happened before, but mostly with sunshine at the base.
Why do we worship the likes of Warren Buffett?
Cooperation exists, but only to enhance competition against a similarly cooperating group.
Blowing Up the Territory Trump's biggest break came from the Democratic party. Booking Hillary Clinton as the good guy in this match was a colossal
error, especially when the most improbable thing in all of politics was waiting in the wings: a legit babyface.
Bernie Sanders came off like Paddington Bear next to Hillary Clinton. Bernie was a nice old Jewish man from Vermont who legitimately
meant well, and he got a real pop from his fans. He drew like crazy. Hell, even I sent him money, the first time I have ever contributed
to a political campaign -- every time he got on TV and started shooting about marijuana smokers going to jail while Wall Street
hoodlums were walking, I Paypaled him five bucks. I had waited my whole life to hear a politician cut a promo like that -- I think
he eventually ended up with a Jackson from me, straight from my personal pot budget.
As a face, Clinton just had too much baggage, a lot of it achingly familiar: A partner known for predatory sexual behavior,
wicked family ties to big business, an entitled daughter, a family charity fund loaded with foreign money, lies, flip flops. .
. . What was good for the goose might have been tolerable for the gander, but all she really got was a cheap pop, and if she had
any moral high ground at all, she lost it when former Democratic operative Donna Brazile, while working for CNN, leaked potential
questions to the Clinton campaign before a debate with Sanders. That was cheating, behavior clearly unbecoming to a babyface.
But more important was that she failed to deliver on the only thing that matters: she didn't draw. For a while it looked like
there might be a "Dusty finish," a gimmick ending (named for Dusty Rhodes, the legendary wrestler and booker who invented it)
in which one wrestler is declared the winner, only to have the decision reversed on a technicality -- for instance, interference
from Russian hackers. This was a finish guaranteed to drive crowds insane, but Hillary couldn't put it over.
So who's the best worker? If we are using the Hulk Hogan index, it is indisputably Donald Trump. He won the election. He's
the president.
But when it all comes tumbling down, be ready for a fresh wave of Trump-brand kayfabe -- transparently flawed in both conception
and execution, except that he actually believes it. He'll ride off in his helicopter claiming that Washington was too dirty to
clean up, that he tried but he couldn't drain the swamp, that they wouldn't accept the One Honest Man. He'll blame obstructionist
Democrats for staging a witch hunt, and the Republicans for not having the guts to back him. In wrestling parlance this is called
"blowing up the territory."
Pundits will argue: How much of it was real, how much reality show? How much was a put-on, how much of it was a guy legit
skating at the edges of madness and dementia? Was it a work, a shoot, or a worked shoot? The only thing we can be sure of is that
the secular writers will get it wrong. And, existentially, at least, Trump will still wear spandex when he mows the lawn. He can't
help himself, that's just the kind of jerk he is.
Organisms evolved a bias to maximize fitness by maximizing power. With greater power, there is greater opportunity to allocate
energy to reproduction and survival, and therefore, an organism that captures and utilizes more energy than another organism in
a population will have a fitness advantage.
Individual organisms cooperate to form social groups and generate more power. Differential power generation and accumulation result
in a hierarchical group structure.
"Politics" is power used by social organisms to control others. Not only are human groups never alone, they cannot control their
neighbors' behavior. Each group must confront the real possibility that its neighbors will grow its numbers and attempt to take
resources from them. Therefore, the best political tactic for groups to survive in such a milieu is not to live in ecological
balance with slow growth, but to grow rapidly and be able to fend off and take resources from others[5].
The inevitable "overshoot" eventually leads to decreasing power attainable for the group with lower-ranking members suffering
first. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals
who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain it. Meanwhile, social conflict will intensify as available power continues
to fall.
Eventually, members of the weakest group (high or low rank) are forced to "disperse."[6] Those members of the weak group who do
not disperse are killed,[7] enslaved, or in modern times imprisoned. By most estimates, 10 to 20 percent of all the people who
lived in Stone-Age societies died at the hands of other humans.[8] The process of overshoot, followed by forced dispersal, may
be seen as a sort of repetitive pumping action -- a collective behavioral loop -- that drove humans into every inhabitable niche
of our planet.
Here is a synopsis of the behavioral loop described above:
Step 1. Individuals and groups evolved a bias to maximize fitness by maximizing power, which requires over-reproduction and/or
over-consumption of natural resources (overshoot), whenever systemic constraints allow it. Differential power generation and accumulation
result in a hierarchical group structure.
Step 2. Energy is always limited, and overshoot eventually leads to decreasing power available to some members of the group, with
lower-ranking members suffering first.
Step 3. Diminishing power availability creates divisive subgroups within the original group. Low-rank members will form subgroups
and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals, who will resist by forming their own coalitions
to maintain power.
Step 4. Violent social strife eventually occurs among subgroups who demand a greater share of the remaining power.
Step 5. The weakest subgroups (high or low rank) are either forced to disperse to a new territory, are killed, enslaved, or imprisoned.
Step 6. Go back to step 1.
The above loop was repeated countless thousands of times during the millions of years that we were evolving[9]. This behavior
is inherent in the architecture of our minds -- is entrained in our biological material -- and will be repeated until we go extinct.
Carrying capacity will decline[10] with each future iteration of the overshoot loop, and this will cause human numbers to decline
until they reach levels not seen since the Pleistocene. http://www.dieoff.org
"There's no indication that we're going to do anything philosophically different," said Jim Blackburn, an environmental law
professor at Rice University. "With a few modifications, it's business as usual."
As Houston rebuilds from the most expensive hurricane in U.S. history, local officials plan to dredge waterways, build new
reservoirs and a coastal barrier to protect against storms that experts say are growing in intensity due to a warming climate.
They have asked Washington for $61 billion to pay for it all.
Apart from our own actions there may be random events that can take us out. There's a report in the Times today of research into
super-eruptions. The Toba explosion, 75,000 years ago, almost took out Homo sapiens. The latest research indicates such events
(maybe not quite as bad) happen on average every 17,000 years instead of every few hundred thousand as previously thought, and
we are currently in an unusually long hiatus from these.
The biggest explosion since "civilization" started was probably Krakatoa in the 6th century, which has been proposed as the
beggining of the dark ages in Europe and the end of a couple of other civilizations, though there's a bit of controversy about
that theory, but it was much milder than an explosion from one of the major calderas would be.
Continuing from above (this mirrors my own experience in Central Africa where families currently seem to be averaging about four
kids each):
POPULATION GROWTH IN AFRICA: GRASPING THE SCALE OF THE CHALLENGE
"In the past year (2016) the population of the African continent grew by 30 million. By the year 2050, annual increases will
exceed 42 million people per year and total population will have doubled to 2.4 billion, according to the UN. This comes to 3.5
million more people per month, or 80 additional people per minute since the early 1990s, family planning programmes in Africa
have not had the same attention (as Asia and Latin America), RESULTING IN SLOW, SOMETIMES NEGLIGIBLE, FERTILITY DECLINES. IN A
HANDFUL OF COUNTRIES, PREVIOUS DECLINES HAVE STALLED ALTOGETHER AND ARE REVERSING."
WHY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN WHEN YOU COULD HAVE SEVEN? FAMILY PLANNING IN NIGER
" but Hamani is unusual in that three babies are enough for her. Despite having the highest fertility rate in the world, women
and men alike in Niger say they want more children than they actually have – women want an average of nine, while men say they
want 11."
Sounds like an explosion that will lead to implosion and migration. Families used to be fairly large in the European and American
regions not long ago. Some still are. There are 27.7 million people in Uganda. But by 2025 the population will almost double to 56 million, close to that of Britain,
which has a similar land mass. In 44 years its population will have grown by nearly as much as China's.
"You look at these numbers and think 'that's impossible'," said Carl Haub, senior demographer at the US-based Population Reference
Bureau, whose latest global projections show Uganda as the fastest-growing country in the world. Midway through the 21st century,
if current birthrates persist, Uganda will be the world's 12th most populous country with 130 million people – more than Russia
or Japan.
That sounds about right and from personal observation almost all 27.7 million of them are school kids who (currently) are quite
well nourished and with decent health care. A big problem, as I see it, is that virtually all schools in Uganda are run by "Western"
churches who seen determined to increase the size of their flock by NOT teaching their students about contraception and the benefits
thereof: sound familiar?
Doug – like you I have some sponsorship in Africa – a general women's group rather than an individual. From their letters what
they want is education (both formal for the children and also just tips on farming and running a business), enough money (very
little) to start a business so they can feed their children, a way to manage HIV if they are infected (many still are) and peace
and quiet. What they don't want is more children, forced marriage through kidnap, the return of their husbands to beat them up,
interference from the elders (all men) in their business. Often they only realise these options are even possible after they have
had contact with the groups set up by the charity.
George – My African experiences are mainly restricted to Uganda (the pearl of Africa) where my family visit annually and have
done so for almost 20 years; we love the country, the people, the wildlife. Its been a joy watching the girl we assisted progress
from kindergarten to medical school; to meet and relate to her extended family who've become our close friends. The country (Uganda)
and the people are currently doing well, very well indeed (unless you happen to be gay). Wildlife parks flourish and are well
managed. My concerns relate to the future. There are too many kids. In my opinion, without reigning in population growth the country
will face immense over-population problems in the future. I hope I'm wrong. Having said that, I agree with your comments -- all
of them. And its true, woman's business groups are in many respects the future of Africa.
For anyone seeking a plausible scientific explanation for why:
– one species has a uniquely powerful brain
– why the brain of that species is capable of visiting the moon but incapable of understanding or acting on it's own overshoot
– why one small group of hominids exploded about 100,000 to take over the planet
– why religion emerged simultaneous with the behaviorally modern mind about 100,000 years ago
– and more big questions: https://un-denial.com/2017/06/25/why-my-interest-in-denial/
I find this theory by Ajit Varki and Danny Brower very satisfying.
That's a smart site you have there. I read that book some time ago, it's interesting but I thought a bit of a just-so story, but
that's maybe becasue the ideas woud be so hard to prove one way or the other. It's a pity Brower died before his ideas got out
to more discussion.
Your initial reaction to the theory is perfectly reasonable and common.
If you dig deeper and start connecting dots I think you may find it is the best available explanation for many big unanswered
questions. The theory may not be correct but there are no known facts that slay it, nor any other equally elegant theories that
fit the data better.
Varki acknowledges the difficulty of testing the theory, but does point to some promising avenues of research. Unfortunately
Varki's speciality and day job is in a different domain so his theory is likely to sit on the shelf until some young scientist
with a defective denial gene picks up the baton.
I did find it neat and convincing as you say, but that's the point of just-so stories, plus it's difficult to know where to go
if it is correct, but I'm going to be visiting your site without question.
WILL OVERPOPULATION LEAD TO PUBLIC HEALTH CATASTROPHE?
"Our new projections are probabilistic, and we find that there will probably be between 9.6 and 12.3 billion people in 2100,"
Prof. Raftery told Medical News Today. "This projection is based on a statistical model that uses all available past data on fertility
and mortality from all countries in a systematic way, unlike previous projections that were based on expert assumptions."
"A key finding of the study is that the fertility rate in Africa is declining much more slowly than has been previously estimated,
which Prof. Raftery tells us "has major long-term implications for population."
No discussion about human evolution or even biological evolution across all species can be considered complete without at least
a basic understanding of the biochemical and molecular biological basis of CRIPR-Cas9 gene editing technology and gene drives.
Sam Harris' latest podcast has a discussion of this technology with Jennifer Doudna.
In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Jennifer Doudna about the gene-editing technology CRISPR/Cas9.
They talk about the biology of gene editing, how specific tissues in the body can be targeted, the ethical implications of changing
the human genome, the importance of curiosity-driven science, and other topics.
E.O. Wilson
I have always been a great admirer of E.O Wilson. I have followed his work for years. I especially liked "Sociobiology" and "Consilience".
I have followed his feud with Stephen J. Gould, Steven Rose, R.C. Lewontin, and Leon Kamin, (as reported by Steven Pinker and
Richard Dawkins). (I always came down on the side of Wilson et al.) And I am very proud to say he is a fellow Alabamian.
That being said, there are areas where I must disagree with him. For instance:
From Kirkus Reviews of "Half Earth": In this final volume of his trilogy, Wilson (The Meaning of Human Existence, 2014, etc.) opens with a compelling proposal on
how to slow current species extinction rates: set aside half of the planet (noncontiguously) as wilderness preserves free from
human encroachment, a measure that the author claims would stabilize more than 80 percent of species.
Fred Magyar, above, quotes from Edward O. Wilson's New Take on Human Nature: Wilson argues the nest is central to understanding the ecological dominance not only of ants, but of human beings, too ..
By being super-cooperators, groupies of the group, willing to set aside our small, selfish desires and I-minded drive to join
forces and seize opportunity as a self-sacrificing, hive-minded tribe ..
To qualify as eusocial, in Wilson's definition, animals must live in multigenerational communities, practice division of
labor and behave altruistically, ready to sacrifice "at least some of their personal interests to that of the group." It's tough
to be a eusocialist.
First, the idea that we would or could set aside half the earth for wildlife is preposterous. Which parts of the U.S. would
we set aside, parts that make half the land area? Could we convince every African nation to do the same? Or Russia? Or China,
South Korea or Japan?
Second, as much as I admire Wilson, I think he is just flat wrong on his new take on human nature. And I think Pinker and Dawkins
would agree with that opinion. If you had read Pinker's "
The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature ," and I have, you would know exactly what I mean. Our minds are not blank
slates to be molded by society, to be made to behave like ants in a colony, like a self-sacrificing, hive-minded tribe. All those
traits that Wilson says we must give up are in our genes, human nature.
I will not deny that humans can be ruled. An Iron Fist could compel us to behave in such a matter. But all such Iron Fists
carry within itself the seeds of its own destruction. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's just human nature.
After reading your eight fifty six am, I'm telling ya straight .. Between your ears, where you live intellectually, you are
a TRUE conservative.
The people who we refer to today as conservatives, meaning those who inhabit the right wing politically, are not REAL conservatives,
not according to my definition.
Don't forget that I am a follower of the Humpty Dumpty School of Linguistics. Words mean exactly what I intend them to mean,
when I use them, rotfl.
To my way of thinking, the first and single most important qualification of a TRUE conservative is that he must have a sound
grasp of human nature. You have it. You understand that we cooperate with friends, family, known community, and compete with outsiders
.. and that when circumstances compel us to do so, we make friends or at least ally ourselves with former enemies or strangers,
and work together .. but mostly only when we have little or no choice but to do so.
I'm just teasing you a little, not making fun of you.
Decent people, left or right wing, want the same things, when you get down to the basics. Peace, dignified life, freedom from
unnecessary worries, etc.
I haven't yet read Wilson's latest books. Hoping to get around to it, this winter.
We need to keep it in mind that just because somebody presents a grand plan in a book, and writes as if it might be possible
to implement it, he does not necessarily believe there's a snowball's chance on a red hot stove that his plan will ever actually
be implemented.
Such books are sometimes intended as sources of inspiration for a new generation of people following along in his footsteps
.. and such a plan MIGHT be implemented . a few centuries down the road, lol. Stranger things have happened, historically.
Such a book can be the result of an old man's dreams being put in libraries so as to achieve a sort of immortality . Wilson
had that already of course.
I reckon you're even older than I am, and here's wishing you the best at the personal level.
To my way of thinking, the first and single most important qualification of a TRUE conservative is that he must have a sound
grasp of human nature. You have it. You understand that we cooperate with friends, family, known community, and compete with outsiders
.. and that when circumstances compel us to do so, we make friends or at least ally ourselves with former enemies or strangers,
and work together .. but mostly only when we have little or no choice but to do so.
Sorry Mac, but I just don't get the connection. The definition you pen here could just as well be the definition of a True
Liberal.
I am a conservative when it comes to conserving the environment, saving animal habitat and saving species from extinction.
But those are qualities held by most liberals and not held by so-called conservatives. Right-wing Republicans call themselves
conservatives.
So I just have to accept the lexicon as it exist today. I am a liberal, not a conservative.
"Sorry Mac, but I just don't get the connection. The definition you pen here could just as well be the definition of a True Liberal."
You DO GET IT, Ron, except you haven't yet quite got around to thinking of labels as jokes or weapons . Labels are for partisans.
Labels are clubs we use to pound each other into submission.
People with real working brains generally come to the same basic conclusions, regardless of the way they're labeled by themselves
or others. There's usually more than one route by which we can travel and arrive at the truth.
You're a man willing to tell it like it is, as for instance when you have pointed out the realities of the way things work
in some countries where you worked yourself. A partisan D just won't repeat that sort of stuff, true or not.
When you say you're a liberal, you're just labeling yourself. What you ARE is something else. You're a man with a working brain,
a man who understands reality, a man who tells it like it is, as you perceive it to be.
It is however true that the so called liberals are more often right by a substantial margin than the so called conservatives
in terms of having objective facts on their side when considering issues such as the environment, public health, and many others.
But they're not always right. Sometimes the liberal camp seems to have it's head as far up its backside as the conservative
camp.
The leaders of both camps seem to be more interested in having plenty of foot soldiers to serve as cannon fodder than they
are in the actual welfare of the country.
I can provide as good arguments for any sort of truly sound public policy from a conservative pov as you can from a liberal
pov.
To me this proves we both have working brains, and are capable of looking the truth in the eye, and publicly agreeing on what
IS true, and what is not.
If we could free ourselves of goddamned infernal partisan politics and identity politics , based on our community cultures,
we could make things happen politically.
If for instance we could put the question of subsidizing wind and solar power to a referendum, I could easily convince most
of the so called conservatives I know that voting in favor of subsidies would be a GREAT BARGAIN for them, long term. Well, the
ones with brains enough that they know a little about the business world anyway. That's at least half of them, and more than enough.
They won't ordinarily support subsidizing renewable energy as part of a package deal because they perceive the PACKAGE to be
weighted in favor of their political and cultural enemies. Supporting renewable energy subsidies would mean voting for D's and
they don't like the overall D agenda.
I'm not sure WHERE this comment will appear, but hopefully it will be below my two forty pm.
Allow me to approach this liberal/ conservative label thing from a different direction.
Suppose you meet a new person, and get to talking about oh let us say water pollution, and fishing, and having to spend your
local tax money on a sophisticated water treatment plant, because there's too much of this or that and the other as well in the
river that passes your town to drink the water, without spending a lot of money. .
If you NEVER MENTION anything that LABELS you as a liberal or conservative, you can talk meaningfully to just about anybody
about this issue.
Identify yourself as a liberal, or a conservative, you more or less automatically blow your opportunity to say anything to
your new POTENTIAL friend who thinks of himself as your opposite and enemy, politically, other than something he already knows
and believes, even if what that something is factually incorrect.
Label yourself as a liberal, and the typical serious Christian voter in the state of Alabama automatically thinks of you as
a murderer of yet to be born children. Forget labeling yourself, avoid it to the extent you can, and you have an EXCELLENT shot
at talking to that voter about supporting only candidates who have a decent record of being respectful to women, immigrants, minorities,
etc.
If I label myself as a conservative, I've automatically blown my chance to have a serious conversation with a liberal about
the possibility of having some real choice in education . meaning breaking the teacher's unions and government's de facto monopoly
control of our educational system.
You may not like this idea, but think about this how much better are your options NOW, given that we have email, fax, UPS,
Fed Ex , etc, when it comes to getting a letter or package where it needs to go FOR SURE and RIGHT AWAY?
I have heard lots of liberals say that allowing any real choice in the schools would mean the end of any real opportunity for
poor kids, inner city kids, etc, to get a decent education. Sometimes, in the same breath almost, I hear those same liberals admit
that the public schools in lots of communities large and small are literal disaster areas, where hardly any of the kids learn
anything. I used to know quite a few of this sort , back in my younger days, when I was living in the Fan and hanging out with
the older ( grad students mostly ) kids at VCU having a good time, taking a course or two per semester to keep my grad student
ID up to date. I spent about ten years there off and on.
Ya know WHAT? EVERY LAST COUPLE I knew among them moved out of town when their OWN kids got old enough to go to school.
Quite a few of them spent their careers as teachers, lol. And my guess is that not more than one out of ten of those couples
ever moved to a place where the schools were the sort of hell holes we read about so often these days .. and that tenth couple
of course had NO KIDS, lol.
Yet they almost universally believe in the de facto teacher / government educational monopoly as it exists today, as it totally
ruins the prospects of millions of kids denying them, or more accurately, their parents, any real choice in the schools their
kids attend. If liberal versus conservative comes into the conversation, it's OVER. The liberals aren't going to listen, any more
than conservatives listen.
How many members of this forum think Roy Moore ought to be tarred and feathered ? How many have ever had the intellectual integrity
to say the same thing about Bill Clinton?
Liberals are liberals, and conservatives are conservatives, and the gulf between can be as vast as the gulf between East and
West. Communication is tough to impossible.
But if we avoid the labels . communication can happen.
Incidentally this rant does NOT mean I am a supporter of the Trump administration in general, or the Trump education department
in particular. Nothing I know of concerning the Trump administration seems to be about the good of the COUNTRY or of the majority
of the people of this country.
First, the idea that we would or could set aside half the earth for wildlife is preposterous.
Even stopping the rape and scrape accelerating is highly unlikely.
This is total fantasy.
At best, the survivors (if any) on the other side of the wall we are about to crash into, will have enough wisdom and intelligence
to embrace the condition they are in.
First, the idea that we would or could set aside half the earth for wildlife is preposterous.
That isn't what he proposes even though it is the title of his book. May I suggest you read it! What he is really arguing for
is more along the lines of a network of ecological corridors that might connect already existing nature preserves, parks and private
property and therefore allow isolated pockets of natural ecosystems to be connected with others.
To be very clear, E.O. Wilson is not in any way naive about our predicament and says so.
That's not to say he has thrown in the towel, especially given that he is now in the later portion of his 80's. He apparently
doesn't want to go down without a fight.
I have read his book twice already and have the Kindle version on my laptop. To be honest I'm not what anyone might call overly
optimistic about the prospects of his proposals coming to pass. Having said that, I do admire his deep knowledge base about the
natural world and have the greatest admiration for the man! More power to him for trying!
Fred, I read Half Earth and have to agree with E.O. Wilson. I think my personal bias is toward nature, but that aside, humans
can do what is needed. All the gadgetry in the world cannot replace a functioning ecosystem. Those functions are mandatory for
the preservation of life on earth. We need to preserve, expand and enhance (if we get smart enough) natural ecosystems around
the world.
Why not build armies? Armies called the United Conservation and Environmental Protection Corp, whose job is to protect and expand
natural areas around the world. It would increase employment and be funded by monies that otherwise go to military purposes. This
and other organizations could be doing things that make the people proud to be human, rather than just wheels and cogs in basically
destructive system.
This is not naïve, this is just choices. Humans make choices, that is one of our inherent abilities. Our current state and
appearance is due to a set of previous choices that have not quite worked out. We get stuck in old choices, time to make new ones.
I think my personal bias is toward nature, but that aside, humans can do what is needed.
Really now? If humans can do what is needed then why the hell are they not doing it. Species are going extinct at a rate as
fast as the last great extinction 65 million years ago. And the extinction rate is accelerating. If humans can do what is needed
it is goddamn time they got started.
Our current state and appearance is due to a set of previous choices that have not quite worked out. We get stuck in old
choices, time to make new ones.
Those choices were made, and are being made, by 7 billion people. And yes, it is time those 7 billion people changed the way
they are behaving, it is time they made different choices. But don't hold your breath.
I am sorry Fishing, but I just don't share your optimism.
Yup, reminds me of China, driving to a restaurant half way across Beijing with a car full of Chinese because they knew about a
hot spot where some endangered species or other was on the menu: get it before you're too late. Life in the real world!
"Although extinction is a natural phenomenon, it occurs at a natural "background" rate of about one to five species per year.
Scientists estimate we're now losing species at 1,000 to 10,000 times the background rate, with literally dozens going extinct
every day. It could be a scary future indeed, with as many as 30 to 50 percent of all species possibly heading toward extinction
by mid-century."
"If humans can do what is needed then why the hell are they not doing it. "
"I am sorry Fishing, but I just don't share your optimism."
By destroying the environment we destroy ourselves. I think that will soon become quite apparent and then those who are already
on track can leverage that.
Really now? If humans can do what is needed then why the hell are they not doing it. Species are going extinct at a rate as
fast as the last great extinction 65 million years ago. And the extinction rate is accelerating. If humans can do what is needed
it is goddamn time they got started.
Ok, let's assume for a moment using round numbers that there are currently 7.5 billion humans living on this tiny planet as
I type these words. How many of those humans do you suppose are actually aware of the fact that we are probably in the midst of
the sixth mass extinction? I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess about a couple hundred thousand.
Now most of those couple hundred thousand are in shock and denial of reality. So there are maybe 100,000 humans who are aware
and are actually starting to do something.
While that may sound like a minuscule amount I can cite data and research that shows that may be enough to really start to
change the current paradigm in a big way.
Yea, the feud between Gould/Lewontin/Rose VS Wilson/Dawkins/Dennett has been interesting.
Being somewhat Marxist in my orientation, I was kinda presupposed to the Gould camp, but the Wilson/Dawkins have proven to ring
much truer. The Blank Slate puts the nails in the coffin for Marxist view of human nature, as Marx viewed it as totally a function
of environment. Pinker buried that view.
Orr was always Gould and Lewontin's go to guy with media, as he had power in the NYT's and Boston Globe, and could often control
reviews and and coverage.
It has been interesting.
I'm sure most here are familiar with what Carl Sagan said about our Pale Blue Dot
This excerpt from Sagan's book Pale Blue Dot was inspired by an image taken, at Sagan's suggestion, by Voyager 1 on February
14, 1990. As the spacecraft left our planetary neighborhood for the fringes of the solar system, engineers turned it around for
one last look at its home planet. Voyager 1 was about 6.4 billion kilometers (4 billion miles) away, and approximately 32 degrees
above the ecliptic plane, when it captured this portrait of our world. Caught in the center of scattered light rays (a result
of taking the picture so close to the Sun), Earth appears as a tiny point of light, a crescent only 0.12 pixel in size.
At present, the Voyager 1 spacecraft is 21 billion kilometers from Earth, or about 141 times the distance between the Earth
and Sun. It has, in fact, moved beyond our Solar System into interstellar space. However, we can still communicate with Voyager
across that distance.
This week, the scientists and engineers on the Voyager team did something very special. They commanded the spacecraft to fire
a set of four trajectory thrusters for the first time in 37 years to determine their ability to orient the spacecraft using 10-millisecond
pulses.
FURTHER READING
The Voyagers have reached an anniversary worth celebrating
After sending the commands on Tuesday, it took 19 hours and 35 minutes for the signal to reach Voyager. Then, the Earth-bound
spacecraft team had to wait another 19 hours and 35 minutes to see if the spacecraft responded. It did. After nearly four decades
of dormancy, the Aerojet Rocketdyne manufactured thrusters fired perfectly.
"The Voyager team got more excited each time with each milestone in the thruster test. The mood was one of relief, joy,
and incredulity after witnessing these well-rested thrusters pick up the baton as if no time had passed at all," said Todd Barber,
a propulsion engineer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California.
So was I. Well, sort of. My dad was a Deacon in the Primitive Baptist Church but he was not a crusading evangelical.
I have told this story before but I will do it again here.
I was about 17 or so when I sidled up to my dad who was sitting in his easy chair. I asked: "Dad, how did them kangaroos get
from Australia to over there where Noah's Ark was? And how did they get back?" Dad jumped up from his chair, stuck his finger
right in my face and yelled: "Son, that is the word of God and that is not for you to question."
When countries begin to hit the wall economically ( as happened in Germany in the 1930's for example), the populace will often
out of desperation (and ignorance of course) enable a dictator to come to power. This is with the false hope that grandiose promises
of prosperity will be fulfilled.
This explains why Trump was elected, even though the American has yet to be tested by disruption, much.
As the world hits the wall of growth limits, the risk is for more and more leadership failures, the rise of warlords, the failure
of functioning democracies.
Violent choices and dysfunctional government will serve to be a mechanism of population decline, ugly population decline. Current
events can be seen through this lens as time unfolds.
Hard to watch.
May be better to have no TV.
The de-evolution will be televised, will be televised, will be televised
The general population in Germany did not really enable Hitler to come to power. He was appointed as a compomise by the two leading
parties in an election who had split the main vote. They both thought he would make such a mess of it that they would sweep the
board at the next election. As soon as he was appointed he started killing or imprisoning these smart opposition leaders, and
there wasn't another clean election. It was more like an extended coupe, admittedly with a large number of supporters, often ex
WW-I soldier thugs, in the general population.
George is in the bullseye about how Hitler came to power, considering he was painting fast with a broad brush in such a short
comment. I have devoted many a long evening to reading the history of war in the twentieth century, so as to better understand
the history of my time.
Wars are usually the result of politicians either wanting them, or being boxed into situations where they either can't avoid
them or consider them the best of an assortment of bad options.
Point taken George. Despite that the general notion that as crunch time develops, there will be a trend towards extremist and
totalitarian regimes throughout the world. Along with pockets of failed states, anarchy and warlords. 'Have nots' will take big
risks.
No devolution involved. Just human nature.
The loose knit groups with similar hates, anger and dislikes were temporarily brought together. It was an inverse election that
utilized the negative and more volatile side of human nature. it only hangs together with constant stirring and occasional negative
results (pound the enemy). Finger pointing and passing the buck is not enough, the groups start fracturing.
A question for Dennis Coyne, or any other cornucopian who believes renewable energy will save the world from economic collapse,
at least for the next 200 years or so.
Dennis, I understand your very optimistic outlook for the welfare of future human populations. I don't agree with it but I
understand your argument. But as I understand it, and please correct me if I am wrong, your entire argument deals with the
human population of the earth. I don't remember reading your predicted outlook for the rest of the animal kingdom? Perhaps
you did make one and I just missed it.
That being said, you have read my outlook many times. And it was all repeated in my post above. Do you agree or disagree? Just
where do you see the large wild animal population in the year 2100? Please elaborate.
Edit: Dennis, I know you do not consider yourself a cornucopian, however, I was just comparing your outlook for the
future of civilization to mine. And using that comparison?
Nice! I was just thinking about a response to a comment following
one of mine
further up and this pops up, which dovetails nicely into what I've been thinking. In my comment I mention using wind power
to make ammonia as a foundation for chemical nitrogen fertilizer and you (Ron) in you reply stated that, " But it is chemical
fertilizers that have very dramatically and very temporally increased our carrying capacity." I don't know if you realized
this but, that sort of was my point in that, the manufacture of ammonia and the resulting chemical fertilizer using excess wind
(and/or solar) power might well result in a much extended (permanent) increase in carrying capacity by allowing us to continue
the manufacture of chemical nitrogen fertilizer (ammonium nitrate if memory serves me right) in the absence of oil and NG.
This can be viewed as a downside to the ongoing exponential increasing capacity of renewable electricity generation. If renewables
grow big enough fast enough, there will be incentives to use any excess to do things like manufacture fertilizer allowing mankind's
expansion into wild habitats to continue. I think it is important that the existing population of the planet continues to have
more or less adequate food supplies in order to avoid the sort of situation that exist in Haiti but, the real problem as I see
it, is to get poor people in less developed countries to believe that they would be better off not having as many children. Based
on utterances I have heard in my neck of the woods, as recently as last night, many of these people do not see any problem with
having lots of kids. There seems to be an attitude abroad that there is a great big world out there, just ready for the taking.
No limits. I wonder whatever gives people that idea?
I wanted to post some pictures of garbage, sitting in open storm water channels, just waiting for the next big shower of rain
to be washed out of existence. At least that must be what the people who dump this stuff into the drains think. I have to wonder
if they ever bother to think about where it's going to end up but, it seems to be a simple case of out of sight, out of mind.
I guess some readers will have figured out that if you visit any area of the Jamaican coastline that does not have a regular,
structured clean up crew, you will see where the trash ends up. I have seen it and it is depressing.
I don't know if you realized this but, that sort of was my point in that, the manufacture of ammonia and the resulting chemical
fertilizer using excess wind (and/or solar) power might well result in a much extended (permanent) increase in carrying capacity
by allowing us to continue the manufacture of chemical nitrogen fertilizer (ammonium nitrate if memory serves me right) in
the absence of oil and NG.
Errr . I don't know if you realize it but you cannot make nitrogen fertilizer without natural gas . or some other source of
hydrogen. Of course, you might get the hydrogen from water via electrolysis but that would be super expensive.
Fertilizer Made with Natural
Gas Is Lifting Our World Referred to by some as the most important technological advance of the 20th century .Between 3 and 5 percent of the world's
annual natural gas production – roughly 1 to 2 percent of the world's annual energy supply – is converted using the process to
produce more than 500 million tons of nitrogen fertilizer, which is believed to sustain about 40 percent of the world's 7 billion
people. Approximately half of the protein in today's humans originated with nitrogen fixed through the Haber-Bosch process.
"Of course, you might get the hydrogen from water via electrolysis but that would be super expensive."
Not if you are experiencing negative electricity prices as has happened when there's lots of wind and no demand or transmission
capacity for the electricity being generated. I think OFM has alluded to this a few times in his ramblings, suggesting that hydrogen
production via electrolysis or desalination might be useful ways of avoiding otherwise wasted electricity when the resource is
available but, there is limited demand or transmission capacity.
We are pursuing a Grand Challenge – the challenge to feed the world while sustaining the environment. In the spirit of this
grand challenge, a team of researchers across the University are pursuing an elegant concept in which wind energy, water, and
air are used to produce nitrogen fertilizer.
WCROC energy from the windEnergy generated from the wind is used to separate hydrogen from water. Nitrogen is pulled from air.
The hydrogen and nitrogen are then combined to form nitrogen fertilizer that nourishes the plants surrounding the farmer.
Next to water, nitrogen fertilizer is the most limiting nutrient for food production. Minnesota farmers import over $400
million of nitrogen fertilizer each year and are subjected to volatile price swings. Furthermore, nitrogen fertilizer is currently
produced using fossil energy which contributes significantly to the carbon footprint of agricultural commodities.
Siemens is participating in an all electric ammonia synthesis and energy storage system demonstration programme at Rutherford
Appleton Laboratory, near Oxford. The demonstrator, which will run until December 2017, is supported by Innovate UK. Collaborators
include the University of Oxford, Cardiff University and the Science & Technology Facilities Council.
I do not know much about the subject so I should probably not offer an opinion, but because you asked
I agree that humans are the problem and believe that fewer humans (as in reduced population) will improve the situation. Will
humans choose to protect some of the mega fauna, until population falls to a more sustainable level? I have no idea.
Is it possible? I would say yes.
High probability? My guess would be no (less than a 66% probability).
So I do not have a prediction for the Earth's megafauna in 2100, except to say I doubt your prediction that we will be reduced
to rats and mice, etc. is correct. This is no doubt because I believe there will be a gradual transition to a more sustainable
society. I believe some of the mega fauna might be preserved until human population falls to 1 billion or so (by 2150 to 2200).
Most likely in North America, Scandanavia, and Siberia, and perhaps in the Himalaya and parts of South America. The rapid expansion
of population in Africa makes it less likely the megafauna will survive there.
I am using the 40 kg cutoff for megafauna, though there are many definitions.
Note that some would consider cornucopian an insult.
Certainly I do not think fossil fuels are as abundant as those who believe scenarios such as the RCP8.5 scenario (with about
5000 Pg of carbon emissions) are plausible.
I also do not believe resources are unlimited or infinitely substitutable, which tends to be the cornucopian viewpoint. There
is great need to utilize resources more efficiently and to recycle as much as possible (cradle to grave manufacturing should be
required by law).
Now if you define cornucopian as someone who is less pessimistic than you, then I am by that definition a cornucopian.
I am certainly more optimistic than you, but if we all agreed there would be little to discuss.
Clearly the future is unclear.
The outlook for the wild megafauna is tragic and we should do what we can to preserve species diversity. Getting human population
to peak and decline would improve the situation of other species, but I share your pessimism that this will be enough, I am just
less pessimistic than you.
I believe some of the mega fauna might be preserved until human population falls to 1 billion or so (by 2150 to 2200).
Okay, let's do the math. It looks like the world will reach 9 billion people by 2050. Then if it were to fall to 1 billion
by 2150, that would be a decline of 80,000,000 per year or 219,178 per day. That is deaths above births. That would be a catastrophic
collapse by any stretch of the imagination. And of course, most of those deaths would be by starvation. And for sure, as I said
before, we would eat the songbirds out of the trees.
Hell, if that scenario takes place, there will likely be no rats left. No, no, no, Dennis, please forgive me. You are definitely
not a cornucopian. Oh God, how could I have been so wrong?
The most rapid population decreases have been from disease. A few bouts of virulent diseases in a world with little medical help
and control could dramatically reduce population.
Population Collapse in Mexico (Down to about 5% in a century)
See chart below. If total fertility ratio (TFR) falls to 1.5 by 2050 then population can fall from 9 billion to 4.5 billion
by 2125 and to 2.25 billion by 2200 and to 1 billion by 2300, a fall in TFR to 1.25 (South Korea is about 1.26) would result in
more rapid population decline. It is not clear how low TFR can go for the World, it was cut in half in 40 years, whether that
can continue so that 1.27 is reached in 2055 is unknown. This scenario assumes life expectancy rises to no higher than 90 for
the World.
Deaths would be natural rather than from starvation, this is just a matter of people choosing to have fewer children as is
the case today in many East Asian countries such as South Korea and Japan and in many European nations as well.
Education for women and access to birth control and electrification (watch tv, instead of other forms of entertainment leading
to increased family size), and empowerment of women in general will reduce population growth. Higher income also helps.
Keeping things in perspective, why not go with the experts until they're proven wrong?
WORLD POPULATION LIKELY TO SURPASS 11 BILLION IN 2100
"American Statistical Association. "World population likely to surpass 11 billion in 2100: US population projected to grow
by 40 percent over next 85 years."
THERE'S A STRONG CHANCE THAT ONE-THIRD OF ALL PEOPLE WILL BE AFRICAN BY 2100
The combination of declining mortality and relatively high fertility is the driver of rapid population growth in Africa. Even
if fertility would continue to decline, as assumed by the UN medium scenario, it will not bring down the growth rate in the near
future, let alone halt population growth. This is because of "demographic inertia". And this is because Africa has a high proportion
of young adults of reproductive age. Even if each one had very few children, the number of births would remain high.
We are all African– it's just some of us have been gone for a while.
(well if you are east of the Wallace Line, you are part Denisovan, and west, part Neanderthal and a species we haven't discovered
yet)
Dennis, you are assuming that the population will alter their fertility rates to a lower value. Yes, that has already happened
in developed countries. The fertility rates in undeveloped countries are still controlled by what their economy and environment
will bear.
The vast majority of the human population lives in undeveloped countries. They will continue to push, push, push against the
very limits of their existence. And that will still be the case 50 years from now, and 100 years from now, and 150 years from
now.
There are reasons the fertility rate is dropping in developed countries. Female empowerment, contraception, and so on. There
are entirely different reasons the fertility rate is dropping in undeveloped countries. Poor nutrition, almost no prenatal care
and so on. Also, much higher infant death rate helps keep the population in check. Please check my chart above from the Population
Reference Bureau.
I think that if you could just live just one year in Bangladesh, or the Congo, or Zimbabwe, or . you would have an entirely
different outlook. You would be forced to take off those rose-colored glasses.
Again, check the Population Reference Bureau chart above.
" if you could just live just one year in Bangladesh, or the Congo, or Zimbabwe, or . you would have an entirely different outlook.
You would be forced to take off those rose-colored glasses."
Wouldn't take a year, one week would do it: even keeping the rose-colored glasses on.
I spent a bit of time on leave in "Liberated Burma"/Karen State shortly after the fall of Manerplaw. A week would do it, however
I was there for about 3 months. I haven't had a bad day since.
I linked up with some folks in Mae Sot on the Thai side. It was well planned before hand. There's was a lot of back and forth
across the border in those days. Did some long range mobile medical patrols in Karen and Karenni State. Got chased around by Tatmadaw/SLORC
a bit. When I was 25 that was my idea of a good time. Yeah, kinda fucked I know.
Yea --
I was the only Farang around in Masi, and everyone else was going back and forth.
Very interesting place.
That was a long time ago, in a land far, far away.
It would be impossible in the homogeneous police state we are currently inhabiting.
I spent about 5 months hitchhiking through North and West Africa in 1981-2. Tunisia, Algeria, Niger, Nigeria, Gabon, Republic
of Congo, and Zaire (as it was known in 1982).
The TFR of half the World's population as of 2015 is less than 2. The World TFR decreased from 5.02 in 1965 to 2.51 in 2015.
The problem I see with fertility rates is the same problem I see with planting trees. Even though I support a foundation to plant
trees I realize that future changes could allow people to wipe out those and other trees very quickly, thus rendering the effort
useless. I also realize the preserved areas of nature and wilderness could quickly disappear or be irreparably harmed by government
decree, war and material/food pressures.
The same goes with lower fertility rates. Since they are only based on decisions and not biological, the lower rates could reverse
quite quickly. Just stress the population and see how fast it will change.
Once people realize that technological progress is an empty dead system that moves us to an empty dead world, birth rates will
climb quickly.
Rather than adding to our knowledge, Tompkins argues computers and smartphones represent "deskilling devices; they make
us dumber. We're immersed in a system that now requires the use of a cell phone just to get around, just to function and so the
logic of that cell phone has been imposed on us.
"The computer is a mechanism for acceleration, it accelerates economic activity and this is eating up the world. It's eating
up resources, it's processing, it's manufacturing, it's distributing, it's consuming. That's what the computer's real work does
and it does that 24/7, 365 days a year, non-stop just to satisfy our own narrow needs."
Tompkins foresees a dark future dominated as he puts it by more ugliness, damaged landscapes, extinct species, extreme poverty,
and lack of equity and says humanity faces a stark choice; either to transition now to a different system or face a painful collapse.
"The extinction crisis is the mother of all crises. There will be no society, there will be no economy, there will be no
art and culture on a dead planet basically. We've stopped evolution."
Rather than adding to our knowledge, Tompkins argues computers and smartphones represent "deskilling devices; they make us
dumber. We're immersed in a system that now requires the use of a cell phone just to get around, just to function and so the logic
of that cell phone has been imposed on us.
So put the damn cell phones to better use. They can also make us smarter They can be used to track illegal logging in endangered
rain forests. The fact that I have a device in my pocket that gives me access to all of human knowledge and access to GPS does
not make me dumber.
Really? You have cell service in the rain forests? I barely have cell service where I live and it disappears totally between the
mountains near me. I don't need electronic mapping and GPS to get around so no problem for me.
Let the rest feel nervous as they get out of touch. For many it's a disaster if they lose their phones, fully dependent.
I don't need electronic mapping and GPS to get around so no problem for me.
I actually learned how to use a sextant and a compass but GPS is available so I admit that I do use it upon occasion.
In any case my point was that it is possible to use technology for purposes other than tweeting or posting selfies of oneself
to Facebook every ten minutes.
Fred, they are highly capable machines but just machines. How they are used is determined by the machine and the operator interface.
I could go on for hours how they have had very bad effects on personal time and personal interactions. For many people life is
a series of texts and phone calls with real time life being the background now. Interruptions are the norm now. Sacrilege is when
they have to turn them off.
@Fred
I come close to nailing a textwalker or walkytalky nearly every time I am out on my bike. SOP, watch out for the buggers. It amazes
me that people are unable to move about (foot, moto, car, bus, truck) without a phone in their hand.
A question for Dennis Coyne, or any other cornucopian who believes renewable energy will save the world from economic collapse,
at least for the next 200 years or so.
Ok, I'll take a nibble!
First of all, why do we have to accept the current definition of what the economy has to be? All of nature has existed on renewable
energy since the beginning of life on this planet 3.8 billion years ago, so obviously the problem isn't renewable energy. If it
were, life wouldn't even exist. The extractive, linear growth based neo liberal idea of the economy that we have come to accept
as normal, is a relatively recent construct that was created by a small group of people at the beginning of the 20th century and
it certainly is an aberration! Personally I don't think it is worth saving.
That economy will certainly collapse and no energy source can ever make it sustainable. Therefore it will by definition collapse.
However there is nothing that says we need to continue on that path. There are indeed choices that people and societies can make.
Even to the point of something that is considered radical and taboo like limiting population growth. (that is a separate dissertation
from my point here)
With regards alternative economic thinking maybe start with Kate Raeworth. Not everyone in the world who has ideas that are
out of the box are automatically naive cornucopians.
How to Think Like a 21st Century Economist. 45:00 minutes.
What is the goal of economics? Does GDP really tell us all we need to know about a country's wealth and well-being? Our
guest in this show argues that our economic system should be designed to meet everyone's needs, while living within the means
of the planet.
Kate Raworth is the author of the acclaimed book 'Doughnut Economics', and she will join us in the studio for an exploration
of a new 21st century economic model and why she believes so many economists have got it wrong for so long.
The implications of her Doughnut Economics are profound and and can be read and embraced as a roadmap for change not just
by experts or economists, but by everyone! This is a chance to challenge her with your questions and critiques.
If you want to think a bit more about how ideas like E.O. Wilson's Half Earth might look here's a TED talk that touches on
it.
Nature is everywhere -- we just need to learn to see it 16:00 minutes
How do you define "nature?" If we define it as that which is untouched by humans, then we won't have any left, says environmental
writer Emma Marris. She urges us to consider a new definition of nature -- one that includes not only pristine wilderness but
also the untended patches of plants growing in urban spaces -- and encourages us to bring our children out to touch and tinker
with it, so that one day they might love and protect it.
Emma Marris is a writer focusing on environmental science, policy and culture, with an approach that she paints as being
"more interested in finding and describing solutions than delineating problems, and more interested in joy than despair."
I agree with Gone Fishing, we do have choices! There are people all over the world who are making them.
Regarding the first paragraph of your reply. Conflating the functioning of ecosystems
using the renewable energy from the sun with the 'Renewable Energy' required by industrial civilisation is a common mistake. The
energy from the sun is renewable.
The infrastructure required to collect and store that energy requires the mining of the
requisite minerals,transportation,smelting,manufacturing,installation. The energy
required for all of that is supplied by fossil fuels. All of that infrastructure,and all of the
rest of the human-constructed industrial world,has to be rebuilt. Solar panels last
about 25-30 years. Wind Turbines about 50 years. Our industrial constructed world
has an immense amount of embedded fossil fuel energy. The mineral density of many ores are declining now,which means that the
energy required to extract a given amount of mineral is increasing. I haven't done much reading on this site. No doubt someone
has posted this link before. It gives a good idea of the scale of the construction required.
Natural ecosystems are quite different. The energy collection occurs using biodegradable
and recyclable materials,without the energy input of fossil fuels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_mile_of_oil
Have a read of the numbers in the link. All recycling requires energy. I don't know if anyone has done an analysis of the amount
of energy
required,but it would be very large. It is also worth remembering that some of the minerals in that infrastructure are difficult
to separate and
recycle.
Plenty of people have investigated recycling and are doing it. You obviously haven't. Even the Giga-Factory is building a recycling
facility.
On the personal level, I have just replaced my washing machine and stove as the old ones were falling apart – literally. The
stove is ready to go to the local recycler where it will be separated and then sent to be melted back to new steel. The washer
will be checked over by a refurbisher who will decide if he can use it or it's parts and what is left will go to the recycler.
Simple. All my waste metal goes to the recycler but, unfortunately, we have no glass recycling so that just has to go to land
fill.
Elton John blares so loudly on Donald Trump's campaign plane that staffers can't hear themselves think. Press secretary
Hope Hicks uses a steamer to press Trump's pants -- while he is still wearing them. Trump screams at his top aides, who are subjected
to expletive-filled tirades in which they get their "face ripped off."
And Trump's appetite seems to know no bounds when it comes to McDonald's, with a dinner order consisting of "two Big Macs,
two Fillet-O-Fish, and a chocolate malted."
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In another episode, Lewandowski describes how staffer Sam Nunberg was purposely left behind at a McDonald's because Nunberg's
special-order burger was taking too long. "Leave him," Trump said. "Let's go." And they did.
Trump's fast-food diet is a theme. "On Trump Force One there were four major food groups: McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken,
pizza and Diet Coke," the authors write.
The plane's cupboards were stacked with Vienna Fingers, potato chips, pretzels and many packages of Oreos because Trump, a
renowned germaphobe, would not eat from a previously opened package.
The book notes that "the orchestrating and timing of Mr. Trump's meals was as important as any other aspect of his march
to the presidency," and describes the elaborate efforts that Lewandowski and other top aides went through to carefully time their
delivery of hot fast food to Trump's plane as he was departing his rallies.
One of the biggest problems we face as population and industry grows is obtaining enough fresh water. Sure there is a lot of water
on the planet, but it is mostly salty.
Marcia Barbosa talks about the many anomalies of water and how exploiting them with nano-tubes could help address the problem
of freshwater shortages.
Marcia Barbosa has a PhD in physics from Brazil's Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul, where she is now the director
of its Physics Institute. She studies the complex structure of the water molecule, and has developed a series of models of its
properties which may contribute to our understanding of how earthquakes occur, how proteins fold, and could play an important
role in generating cleaner energy and treating diseases. She is actively involved in promoting Women in Physics and was named
the 2013 L'Oreal-UNESCO for Women in Science Awards Laureate for Latin America.
Tks, GF!
LOL! I'm head over heels in love with her!
I kept imagining her giving her talk to this sound track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wunq6YlcSX0
Can you see all the dancers dressed as raindrops on a Samba Float in a Carnival Parade?
Fred – As you know my bag is astrophysics, with climate change denial being merely irritating BUT when I see science news headlines
like the following then I really get pissed off, or feel sick. Who gives a shit if Earth can "carry" 7 or 9 or 11 billion people
when dolphins & elephants are relegated to "bush meat" and when species are disappearing at increasingly alarming rates. You're
probably the only one here qualified to assess this issue so please give us your thoughts.
CURRENT EXTINCTION RATE 10 TIMES WORSE THAN PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT
"Life on earth is remarkably diverse. Globally, it is estimated that there are 8.7 million species living on our planet, excluding
bacteria. Unfortunately, human activities are wiping out many species and it's been known for some time that we are increasing
the rate of species extinction. But just how dire is the situation? According to a new study, it's 10 times worse than scientists
previously thought with current extinction rates 1,000 times higher than natural background rates."
Doug, if you get a chance, watch the ASU Origins project debates to which I have posted links recently addressing the topic of
extinction. This is a very serious cross disciplinary discussion and can't really be done justice in a quick response here. It
probably necessitates a full post of similar length to Ron's.
I look on space habitats as being trapped inside a giant iron lung. Exploration is one thing, but actually thinking of Mars as
a possible home for humans is just sad.
Couldn't agree more! And that's from someone who lived and worked in a hyperbaric chamber as a saturation diver on oil rigs. I'd
say that is pretty close to living in an iron lung as well
The part about going to Mars that has always bothered me is the radiation exposure.
"... Since World War II the United States has used the Dollar Standard and its dominant role in the IMF and World Bank to steer trade and investment along lines benefiting its own economy. But now that the growth of China's mixed economy has outstripped all others while Russia finally is beginning to recover, countries have the option of borrowing from the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) and other non-U.S. consortia. ..."
"... The problem with surrendering is that this Washington Consensus is extractive and lives in the short run, laying the seeds of financial dependency, debt-leveraged bubbles and subsequent debt deflation and austerity. The financial business plan is to carve out opportunities for price gouging and corporate profits. Today's U.S.-sponsored trade and investment treaties would make governments pay fines equal to the amount that environmental and price regulations, laws protecting consumers and other social policies might reduce corporate profits. "Companies would be able to demand compensation from countries whose health, financial, environmental and other public interest policies they thought to be undermining their interests, and take governments before extrajudicial tribunals. These tribunals, organised under World Bank and UN rules, would have the power to order taxpayers to pay extensive compensation over legislation seen as undermining a company's 'expected future profits.' ..."
"... At the center of today's global split are the last few centuries of Western social and democratic reform. Seeking to follow the classical Western development path by retaining a mixed public/private economy, China, Russia and other nations find it easier to create new institutions such as the AIIB than to reform the dollar standard IMF and World Bank. Their choice is between short-term gains by dependency leading to austerity, or long-term development with independence and ultimate prosperity. ..."
"... The price of resistance involves risking military or covert overthrow. Long before the Ukraine crisis, the United States has dropped the pretense of backing democracies. The die was cast in 1953 with the coup against Iran's secular government, and the 1954 coup in Guatemala to oppose land reform. Support for client oligarchies and dictatorships in Latin America in the 1960 and '70s was highlighted by the overthrow of Allende in Chile and Operation Condor's assassination program throughout the continent. Under President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the United States has claimed that America's status as the world's "indispensible nation" entitled it back the recent coups in Honduras and Ukraine, and to sponsor the NATO attack on Libya and Syria, leaving Europe to absorb the refugees. ..."
"... The trans-Atlantic financial bubble has left a legacy of austerity since 2008. Debt-ridden economies are being told to cope with their downturns by privatizing their public domain. ..."
"... The immediate question facing Germany and the rest of Western Europe is how long they will sacrifice their trade and investment opportunities with Russia, Iran and other economies by adhering to U.S.-sponsored sanctions. American intransigence threatens to force an either/or choice in what looms as a seismic geopolitical shift over the proper role of governments: Should their public sectors provide basic services and protect populations from predatory monopolies, rent extraction and financial polarization? ..."
"... Today's global financial crisis can be traced back to World War I and its aftermath. The principle that needed to be voiced was the right of sovereign nations not to be forced to sacrifice their economic survival on the altar of inter-government and private debt demands. The concept of nationhood embodied in the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia based international law on the principle of parity of sovereign states and non-interference. Without a global alternative to letting debt dynamics polarize societies and tear economies apart, monetary imperialism by creditor nations is inevitable. ..."
"... The past century's global fracture between creditor and debtor economies has interrupted what seemed to be Europe's democratic destiny to empower governments to override financial and other rentier interests. Instead, the West is following U.S. diplomatic leadership back into the age when these interests ruled governments. This conflict between creditors and democracy, between oligarchy and economic growth (and indeed, survival) will remain the defining issue of our epoch over the next generation, and probably for the remainder of the 21 st century. ..."
"... wiki/Anglo-Persian Oil Company "In 1901 William Knox D'Arcy, a millionaire London socialite, negotiated an oil concession with Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar of Persia. He financed this with capital he had made from his shares in the highly profitable Mount Morgan mine in Queensland, Australia. D'Arcy assumed exclusive rights to prospect for oil for 60 years in a vast tract of territory including most of Iran. In exchange the Shah received £20,000 (£2.0 million today),[1] an equal amount in shares of D'Arcy's company, and a promise of 16% of future profits." Note the 16% = ~1/6, the rest going off-shore. ..."
"... The Greens in Aus researched the resources sector in Aus, to find that it is 83% 'owned' by off-shore entities. Note that 83% = ~5/6, which goes off-shore. Coincidence? ..."
"... Note that in Aus, the democratically elected so-called 'leaders' not only allow exactly this sort of economic rape, they actively assist it by, say, crippling the central bank and pleading for FDI = selling our, we the people's interests, out. Those traitor-leaders are reversing 'Enlightenment' provisions, privatising whatever they can and, as Michael Hudson well points out the principles, running Aus into debt and austerity. ..."
"... US banking oligarchs will expend the last drop of our blood to prevent a such a linking, just as they were willing to sacrifice our blood and treasure in WW1 and 2, as is alluded to here.: ..."
"... The past century's global fracture between creditor and debtor economies has interrupted what seemed to be Europe's democratic destiny to empower governments to override financial and other rentier interests. Instead, the West is following U.S. diplomatic leadership back into the age when these interests ruled governments. This conflict between creditors and democracy, between oligarchy and economic growth (and indeed, survival) will remain the defining issue of our epoch over the next generation, and probably for the remainder of the 21st century. ..."
"... It's important to note that such interests have ruled (owned, actually) imperial Britain for centuries and the US since its inception, and the anti-federalists knew it. ..."
"... "After World War I the U.S. Government deviated from what had been traditional European policy – forgiving military support costs among the victors. U.S. officials demanded payment for the arms shipped to its Allies in the years before America entered the Great War in 1917. The Allies turned to Germany for reparations to pay these debts." The Yank banker, the Yankee Wall Street super rich, set off a process of greed that led to Hitler. ..."
"... But they didn't invent anything. They learned from their WASP forebears in the British Empire, whose banking back to Oliver Cromwell had become inextricably entangled with Jewish money and Jewish interests to the point that Jews per capita dominated it even at the height of the British Empire, when simpleton WASPs assume that WASPs truly ran everything, and that WASP power was for the good of even the poorest WASPs. ..."
"... The Berlin Baghdad railway was an important cause for WWI. ..."
"... Bingo. Stopping it was a huge factor. There was no way the banksters of the world were going to let that go forward, nor were they going to let Germany and Russia link up in any other ways. They certainly were not about to allow any threats to the Suez Canal nor any chance to let the oil fields slip from their control either. ..."
"... This is not how the Enlightenment was supposed to evolve ..."
"... In fact, this is exactly how it was supposed to work. The wave of liberal democracies was precisely to overturn the monarchies, which were the last bulwark protecting the people from the full tyranny of the financiers, who were, by nature, one-world internationalists. ..."
"... The real problem with this is that any form of monetary arrangement involves an implied trusteeship, with obligations on, as well as benefits for, the trustee. The US is so abusing its trusteeship through the continual use of an irresponsible sanctions regime that it risks a good portion of the world economy abandoning its system for someone else's, which may be perceived to be run more responsibility. The disaster scenario would be the US having therefore in the future to access that other system to purchase oil or minerals, and having that system do to us what we previously did to them -- sanction us out. ..."
"... " Marx believed that capitalism was inherently built upon practices of usury and thus inevitably leading to the separation of society into two classes: one composed of those who produce value and the other, which feeds upon the first one. In "Theories of Surplus Value" (written 1862-1863), he states " that interest (in contrast to industrial profit) and rent (that is the form of landed property created by capitalist production itself) are superfetations (i.e., excessive accumulations) which are not essential to capitalist production and of which it can rid itself." ..."
In theory, the global financial system is supposed to help every country gain. Mainstream teaching of international finance, trade
and "foreign aid" (defined simply as any government credit) depicts an almost utopian system uplifting all countries, not stripping
their assets and imposing austerity. The reality since World War I is that the United States has taken the lead in shaping the international
financial system to promote gains for its own bankers, farm exporters, its oil and gas sector, and buyers of foreign resources –
and most of all, to collect on debts owed to it.
Each time this global system has broken down over the past century, the major destabilizing force has been American over-reach
and the drive by its bankers and bondholders for short-term gains. The dollar-centered financial system is leaving more industrial
as well as Third World countries debt-strapped. Its three institutional pillars – the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank
and World Trade Organization – have imposed monetary, fiscal and financial dependency, most recently by the post-Soviet Baltics,
Greece and the rest of southern Europe. The resulting strains are now reaching the point where they are breaking apart the arrangements
put in place after World War II.
The most destructive fiction of international finance is that all debts can be paid, and indeed should be paid, even when
this tears economies apart by forcing them into austerity – to save bondholders, not labor and industry. Yet European countries,
and especially Germany, have shied from pressing for a more balanced global economy that would foster growth for all countries and
avoid the current economic slowdown and debt deflation.
Imposing austerity on Germany after World War I
After World War I the U.S. Government deviated from what had been traditional European policy – forgiving military support costs
among the victors. U.S. officials demanded payment for the arms shipped to its Allies in the years before America entered the Great
War in 1917. The Allies turned to Germany for reparations to pay these debts. Headed by John Maynard Keynes, British diplomats sought
to clean their hands of responsibility for the consequences by promising that all the money they received from Germany would simply
be forwarded to the U.S. Treasury.
The sums were so unpayably high that Germany was driven into austerity and collapse. The nation suffered hyperinflation as the
Reichsbank printed marks to throw onto the foreign exchange also were pushed into financial collapse. The debt deflation was much
like that of Third World debtors a generation ago, and today's southern European PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain).
In a pretense that the reparations and Inter-Ally debt tangle could be made solvent, a triangular flow of payments was facilitated
by a convoluted U.S. easy-money policy. American investors sought high returns by buying German local bonds; German municipalities
turned over the dollars they received to the Reichsbank for domestic currency; and the Reichsbank used this foreign exchange to pay
reparations to Britain and other Allies, enabling these countries to pay the United States what it demanded.
But solutions based on attempts to keep debts of such magnitude in place by lending debtors the money to pay can only be temporary.
The U.S. Federal Reserve sustained this triangular flow by holding down U.S. interest rates. This made it attractive for American
investors to buy German municipal bonds and other high-yielding debts. It also deterred Wall Street from drawing funds away from
Britain, which would have driven its economy deeper into austerity after the General Strike of 1926. But domestically, low U.S. interest
rates and easy credit spurred a real estate bubble, followed by a stock market bubble that burst in 1929. The triangular flow of
payments broke down in 1931, leaving a legacy of debt deflation burdening the U.S. and European economies. The Great Depression lasted
until outbreak of World War II in 1939.
Planning for the postwar period took shape as the war neared its end. U.S. diplomats had learned an important lesson. This time
there would be no arms debts or reparations. The global financial system would be stabilized – on the basis of gold, and on creditor-oriented
rules. By the end of the 1940s the United States held some 75 percent of the world's monetary gold stock. That established the U.S.
dollar as the world's reserve currency, freely convertible into gold at the 1933 parity of $35 an ounce.
It also implied that once again, as in the 1920s, European balance-of-payments deficits would have to be financed mainly by the
United States. Recycling of official government credit was to be filtered via the IMF and World Bank, in which U.S. diplomats alone
had veto power to reject policies they found not to be in their national interest. International financial "stability" thus became
a global control mechanism – to maintain creditor-oriented rules centered in the United States.
To obtain gold or dollars as backing for their own domestic monetary systems, other countries had to follow the trade and investment
rules laid down by the United States. These rules called for relinquishing control over capital movements or restrictions on foreign
takeovers of natural resources and the public domain as well as local industry and banking systems.
By 1950 the dollar-based global economic system had become increasingly untenable. Gold continued flowing to the United States,
strengthening the dollar – until the Korean War reversed matters. From 1951 through 1971 the United States ran a deepening balance-of-payments
deficit, which stemmed entirely from overseas military spending. (Private-sector trade and investment was steadily in balance.)
U.S. Treasury debt replaces the gold exchange standard
The foreign military spending that helped return American gold to Europe became a flood as the Vietnam War spread across Asia
after 1962. The Treasury kept the dollar's exchange rate stable by selling gold via the London Gold Pool at $35 an ounce. Finally,
in August 1971, President Nixon stopped the drain by closing the Gold Pool and halting gold convertibility of the dollar.
There was no plan for what would happen next. Most observers viewed cutting the dollar's link to gold as a defeat for the United
States. It certainly ended the postwar financial order as designed in 1944. But what happened next was just the reverse of a defeat.
No longer able to buy gold after 1971 (without inciting strong U.S. disapproval), central banks found only one asset in which to
hold their balance-of-payments surpluses: U.S. Treasury debt. These securities no longer were "as good as gold." The United States
issued them at will to finance soaring domestic budget deficits.
By shifting from gold to the dollars thrown off by the U.S. balance-of-payments deficit, the foundation of global monetary reserves
came to be dominated by the U.S. military spending that continued to flood foreign central banks with surplus dollars. America's
balance-of-payments deficit thus supplied the dollars that financed its domestic budget deficits and bank credit creation – via foreign
central banks recycling U.S. foreign spending back to the U.S. Treasury.
In effect, foreign countries have been taxed without representation over how their loans to the U.S. Government are employed.
European central banks were not yet prepared to create their own sovereign wealth funds to invest their dollar inflows in foreign
stocks or direct ownership of businesses. They simply used their trade and payments surpluses to finance the U.S. budget deficit.
This enabled the Treasury to cut domestic tax rates, above all on the highest income brackets.
U.S. monetary imperialism confronted European and Asian central banks with a dilemma that remains today: If they do not turn around
and buy dollar assets, their currencies will rise against the dollar. Buying U.S. Treasury securities is the only practical way to
stabilize their exchange rates – and in so doing, to prevent their exports from rising in dollar terms and being priced out of dollar-area
markets.
The system may have developed without foresight, but quickly became deliberate. My book Super Imperialism sold best in
the Washington DC area, and I was given a large contract through the Hudson Institute to explain to the Defense Department exactly
how this extractive financial system worked. I was brought to the White House to explain it, and U.S. geostrategists used my book
as a how-to-do-it manual (not my original intention).
Attention soon focused on the oil-exporting countries. After the U.S. quadrupled its grain export prices shortly after the 1971
gold suspension, the oil-exporting countries quadrupled their oil prices. I was informed at a White House meeting that U.S. diplomats
had let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries know that they could charge as much as they wanted for their oil, but that the United
States would treat it as an act of war not to keep their oil proceeds in U.S. dollar assets.
This was the point at which the international financial system became explicitly extractive. But it took until 2009, for the first
attempt to withdraw from this system to occur. A conference was convened at Yekaterinburg, Russia, by the Shanghai Cooperation Organization
(SCO). The alliance comprised Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kirghizstan and Uzbekistan, with observer status for Iran, India,
Pakistan and Mongolia. U.S. officials asked to attend as observers, but their request was rejected.
The U.S. response has been to extend the new Cold War into the financial sector, rewriting the rules of international finance
to benefit the United States and its satellites – and to deter countries from seeking to break free from America's financial free
ride.
The IMF changes its rules to isolate Russia and China
Aiming to isolate Russia and China, the Obama Administration's confrontational diplomacy has drawn the Bretton Woods institutions
more tightly under US/NATO control. In so doing, it is disrupting the linkages put in place after World War II.
The U.S. plan was to hurt Russia's economy so much that it would be ripe for regime change ("color revolution"). But the effect
was to drive it eastward, away from Western Europe to consolidate its long-term relations with China and Central Asia. Pressing Europe
to shift its oil and gas purchases to U.S. allies, U.S. sanctions have disrupted German and other European trade and investment with
Russia and China. It also has meant lost opportunities for European farmers, other exporters and investors – and a flood of refugees
from failed post-Soviet states drawn into the NATO orbit, most recently Ukraine.
To U.S. strategists, what made changing IMF rules urgent was Ukraine's $3 billion debt falling due to Russia's National Wealth
Fund in December 2015. The IMF had long withheld credit to countries refusing to pay other governments. This policy aimed primarily
at protecting the financial claims of the U.S. Government, which usually played a lead role in consortia with other governments and
U.S. banks. But under American pressure the IMF changed its rules in January 2015. Henceforth, it announced, it would indeed be willing
to provide credit to countries in arrears other governments – implicitly headed by China (which U.S. geostrategists consider to be
their main long-term adversary), Russia and others that U.S. financial warriors might want to isolate in order to force neoliberal
privatization policies. [1] I provide the full
background in "The IMF Changes its Rules to Isolate China and Russia," December 9, 2015, available on michael-hudson.com, Naked
Capitalism , Counterpunch and Johnson's Russia List .
Article I of the IMF's 1944-45 founding charter
prohibits it from lending to a member engaged in civil war or at war with another member state, or for military purposes generally.
An obvious reason for this rule is that such a country is unlikely to earn the foreign exchange to pay its debt. Bombing Ukraine's
own Donbass region in the East after its February 2014 coup d'état destroyed its export industry, mainly to Russia.
Withholding IMF credit could have been a lever to force adherence to the Minsk peace agreements, but U.S. diplomacy rejected that
opportunity. When IMF head Christine Lagarde made a new loan to Ukraine in spring 2015, she merely expressed a verbal hope for peace.
Ukrainian President Porochenko announced the next day that he would step up his civil war against the Russian-speaking population
in eastern Ukraine. One and a half-billion dollars of the IMF loan were given to banker Ihor Kolomoiski and disappeared offshore,
while the oligarch used his domestic money to finance an anti-Donbass army. A million refugees were driven east into Russia; others
fled west via Poland as the economy and Ukraine's currency plunged.
The IMF broke four of its rules by lending to Ukraine: (1) Not to lend to a country that has no visible means to pay back the
loan (the "No More Argentinas" rule, adopted after the IMF's disastrous 2001 loan to that country). (2) Not to lend to a country
that repudiates its debt to official creditors (the rule originally intended to enforce payment to U.S.-based institutions). (3)
Not to lend to a country at war – and indeed, destroying its export capacity and hence its balance-of-payments ability to pay back
the loan. Finally (4), not to lend to a country unlikely to impose the IMF's austerity "conditionalities." Ukraine did agree to override
democratic opposition and cut back pensions, but its junta proved too unstable to impose the austerity terms on which the IMF insisted.
U.S. neoliberalism promotes privatization carve-ups of debtor countries
Since World War II the United States has used the Dollar Standard and its dominant role in the IMF and World Bank to steer
trade and investment along lines benefiting its own economy. But now that the growth of China's mixed economy has outstripped all
others while Russia finally is beginning to recover, countries have the option of borrowing from the Asian Infrastructure Investment
Bank (AIIB) and other non-U.S. consortia.
At stake is much more than just which nations will get the contracting and banking business. At issue is whether the philosophy
of development will follow the classical path based on public infrastructure investment, or whether public sectors will be privatized
and planning turned over to rent-seeking corporations.
What made the United States and Germany the leading industrial nations of the 20 th century – and more recently, China
– has been public investment in economic infrastructure. The aim was to lower the price of living and doing business by providing
basic services on a subsidized basis or freely. By contrast, U.S. privatizers have brought debt leverage to bear on Third World countries,
post-Soviet economies and most recently on southern Europe to force selloffs. Current plans to cap neoliberal policy with the Trans-Pacific
Partnership (TPP), Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) and Transatlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA) go so far
as to disable government planning power to the financial and corporate sector.
American strategists evidently hoped that the threat of isolating Russia, China and other countries would bring them to heel if
they tried to denominate trade and investment in their own national currencies. Their choice would be either to suffer sanctions
like those imposed on Cuba and Iran, or to avoid exclusion by acquiescing in the dollarized financial and trade system and its drives
to financialize their economies under U.S. control.
The problem with surrendering is that this Washington Consensus is extractive and lives in the short run, laying the seeds
of financial dependency, debt-leveraged bubbles and subsequent debt deflation and austerity. The financial business plan is to carve
out opportunities for price gouging and corporate profits. Today's U.S.-sponsored trade and investment treaties would make governments
pay fines equal to the amount that environmental and price regulations, laws protecting consumers and other social policies might
reduce corporate profits. "Companies would be able to demand compensation from countries whose health, financial, environmental and
other public interest policies they thought to be undermining their interests, and take governments before extrajudicial tribunals.
These tribunals, organised under World Bank and UN rules, would have the power to order taxpayers to pay extensive compensation over
legislation seen as undermining a company's 'expected future profits.' "
This policy threat is splitting the world into pro-U.S. satellites and economies maintaining public infrastructure investment
and what used to be viewed as progressive capitalism. U.S.-sponsored neoliberalism supporting its own financial and corporate interests
has driven Russia, China and other members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization into an alliance to protect their economic self-sufficiency
rather than becoming dependent on dollarized credit enmeshing them in foreign-currency debt.
At the center of today's global split are the last few centuries of Western social and democratic reform. Seeking to follow
the classical Western development path by retaining a mixed public/private economy, China, Russia and other nations find it easier
to create new institutions such as the AIIB than to reform the dollar standard IMF and World Bank. Their choice is between short-term
gains by dependency leading to austerity, or long-term development with independence and ultimate prosperity.
The price of resistance involves risking military or covert overthrow. Long before the Ukraine crisis, the United States has
dropped the pretense of backing democracies. The die was cast in 1953 with the coup against Iran's secular government, and the 1954
coup in Guatemala to oppose land reform. Support for client oligarchies and dictatorships in Latin America in the 1960 and '70s was
highlighted by the overthrow of Allende in Chile and Operation Condor's assassination program throughout the continent. Under President
Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the United States has claimed that America's status as the world's "indispensible
nation" entitled it back the recent coups in Honduras and Ukraine, and to sponsor the NATO attack on Libya and Syria, leaving Europe
to absorb the refugees.
Germany's choice
This is not how the Enlightenment was supposed to evolve. The industrial takeoff of Germany and other European nations involved
a long fight to free markets from the land rents and financial charges siphoned off by their landed aristocracies and bankers. That
was the essence of classical 19 th -century political economy and 20 th -century social democracy. Most economists
a century ago expected industrial capitalism to produce an economy of abundance, and democratic reforms to endorse public infrastructure
investment and regulation to hold down the cost of living and doing business. But U.S. economic diplomacy now threatens to radically
reverse this economic ideology by aiming to dismantle public regulatory power and impose a radical privatization agenda under the
TTIP and TAFTA.
Textbook trade theory depicts trade and investment as helping poorer countries catch up, compelling them to survive by becoming
more democratic to overcome their vested interests and oligarchies along the lines pioneered by European and North American industrial
economies. Instead, the world is polarizing, not converging. The trans-Atlantic financial bubble has left a legacy of austerity
since 2008. Debt-ridden economies are being told to cope with their downturns by privatizing their public domain.
The immediate question facing Germany and the rest of Western Europe is how long they will sacrifice their trade and investment
opportunities with Russia, Iran and other economies by adhering to U.S.-sponsored sanctions. American intransigence threatens to
force an either/or choice in what looms as a seismic geopolitical shift over the proper role of governments: Should their public
sectors provide basic services and protect populations from predatory monopolies, rent extraction and financial polarization?
Today's global financial crisis can be traced back to World War I and its aftermath. The principle that needed to be voiced
was the right of sovereign nations not to be forced to sacrifice their economic survival on the altar of inter-government and private
debt demands. The concept of nationhood embodied in the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia based international law on the principle of parity
of sovereign states and non-interference. Without a global alternative to letting debt dynamics polarize societies and tear economies
apart, monetary imperialism by creditor nations is inevitable.
The past century's global fracture between creditor and debtor economies has interrupted what seemed to be Europe's democratic
destiny to empower governments to override financial and other rentier interests. Instead, the West is following U.S. diplomatic
leadership back into the age when these interests ruled governments. This conflict between creditors and democracy, between oligarchy
and economic growth (and indeed, survival) will remain the defining issue of our epoch over the next generation, and probably for
the remainder of the 21 st century.
Endnotes
[1] I provide the full background in
"The IMF Changes its Rules to Isolate China and Russia," December 9, 2015, available on michael-hudson.com, Naked Capitalism
, Counterpunch and Johnson's Russia List .
"Austerity" is such a misused word these days. What the Allies did to Germany after Versailles was austerity, and everyone paid
dearly for it.
What the IMF and the Western Banking Cartel do to third world countries is akin to a pusher hopping up addicts on debt and
then taking it away while stripping them of their assets, pretty much hurting only the people of the third world country; certainly
not the WBC, and almost certainly not the criminal elite who took the deal.
The Austerity everyone complains about in the developed world these days is a joke, hardly austerity, for it has never meant
more than doing a little less deficit-spending than in prior periods, e.g. UK Labour whining about "Austerity" is a joke, as the
UK debt has done nothing but grow, which in terms understandable to simple folk like me means they are spending more than they
can afford to carry.
" The immediate question facing Germany and the rest of Western Europe is how long they will sacrifice their trade and investment
opportunities with Russia, Iran and other economies by adhering to U.S.-sponsored sanctions "
In the whole article not a word about the euro, also an instrument of imperialism, that mainly benefits Germany, the country
that has to maintain a high level of exports, in order to feed the Germans, and import raw materials for Germany's industries.
Isolating China and Russia, with the other BRICS countries, S Africa, Brazil, India, dangerous game.
This effort forced China and Russia to close cooperation, the economic expression of this is the Peking Petersburg railway, with
a hub in Khazakstan, where the containers are lifted from the Chinese to the Russian system, the width differs.
Four days for the trip.
The Berlin Baghdad railway was an important cause for WWI.
Let us hope that history does not repeat itself in the nuclear era.
Edward Mead Earle, Ph.D., 'Turkey, The Great Powers and The Bagdad Railway, A study in Imperialism', 1923, 1924, New York
The U.S. response has been to extend the new Cold War into the financial sector, rewriting the rules of international finance
to benefit the United States and its satellites – and to deter countries from seeking t o break free from America's
financial free ride .
Nah, the NY banksters wouldn't dream of doing such a thing; would they?
This is not how the Enlightenment was supposed to evolve
What I said, and beautifully put, the whole article.
World War I may well have been an important way-point, but the miserable mercantile modus operandi was well established
long before.
An interesting A/B case:
a) wiki/Anglo-Persian Oil Company
"In 1901 William Knox D'Arcy, a millionaire London socialite, negotiated an oil concession with Mozaffar al-Din Shah Qajar of
Persia. He financed this with capital he had made from his shares in the highly profitable Mount Morgan mine in Queensland, Australia.
D'Arcy assumed exclusive rights to prospect for oil for 60 years in a vast tract of territory including most of Iran. In exchange
the Shah received £20,000 (£2.0 million today),[1] an equal amount in shares of D'Arcy's company, and a promise of 16% of future
profits." Note the 16% = ~1/6, the rest going off-shore.
b) The Greens in Aus researched the resources sector in Aus, to find that it is 83% 'owned' by off-shore entities. Note
that 83% = ~5/6, which goes off-shore. Coincidence?
Then see what happened when the erstwhile APOC was nationalized; the US/UK perpetrated a coup against the democratically elected
Mossadegh, eventual blow-back resulting in the 1979 revolution, basically taking Iran out of 'the West.'
Note that in Aus, the democratically elected so-called 'leaders' not only allow exactly this sort of economic rape, they
actively assist it by, say, crippling the central bank and pleading for FDI = selling our, we the people's interests, out. Those
traitor-leaders are reversing 'Enlightenment' provisions, privatising whatever they can and, as Michael Hudson well points out
the principles, running Aus into debt and austerity.
We the people are powerless passengers, and to add insult to injury, the taxpayer-funded AusBC lies to us continually. Ho,
hum; just like the mainly US/Z MSM and the BBC do – all corrupt and venal. Bah!
Now, cue the trolls: "But Russia/China are worse!"
The immediate question facing Germany and the rest of Western Europe is how long they will sacrifice their trade and investment
opportunities with Russia, Iran and other economies by adhering to U.S.-sponsored sanctions.
US banking oligarchs will expend the last drop of our blood to prevent a such a linking, just as they were willing to sacrifice
our blood and treasure in WW1 and 2, as is alluded to here.:
Today's global financial crisis can be traced back to World War I and its aftermath.
Excellent.:
The principle that needed to be voiced was the right of sovereign nations not to be forced to sacrifice their economic survival
on the altar of inter-government and private debt demands Without a global alternative to letting debt dynamics polarize societies
and tear economies apart, monetary imperialism by creditor nations is inevitable.
This is a gem of a summary.:
The past century's global fracture between creditor and debtor economies has interrupted what seemed to be Europe's
democratic destiny to empower governments to override financial and other rentier interests. Instead, the West is following
U.S. diplomatic leadership back into the age when these interests ruled governments. This conflict between creditors and democracy,
between oligarchy and economic growth (and indeed, survival) will remain the defining issue of our epoch over the next generation,
and probably for the remainder of the 21st century.
Instead, the West is following U.S. diplomatic leadership back into the age when these interests ruled governments. It's
important to note that such interests have ruled (owned, actually) imperial Britain for centuries and the US since its inception,
and the anti-federalists knew it.
Here is a revolution as radical as that which separated us from Great Britain.
You will find all the strength of this country in the hands of your enemies [ ed comment: the money grubbers ]
Patrick Henry June 5 and 7, 1788―1788-1789 Petersburg, Virginia edition of the Debates and other Proceedings . . . Of the
Virginia Convention of 1788
The Constitution had been laid down under unacceptable auspices; its history had been that of a coup d'état.
It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests. Four-fifths of them were
public creditors, one-third were land speculators, and one-fifth represented interests in shipping, manufacturing, and merchandising.
Most of them were lawyers. Not one of them represented the interest of production -- Vilescit origine tali.
- Albert Jay Nock [Excerpted from chapter 5 of Albert Jay Nock's Jefferson, published in 1926]
"After World War I the U.S. Government deviated from what had been traditional European policy – forgiving military support
costs among the victors. U.S. officials demanded payment for the arms shipped to its Allies in the years before America entered
the Great War in 1917. The Allies turned to Germany for reparations to pay these debts." The Yank banker, the Yankee Wall Street
super rich, set off a process of greed that led to Hitler.
But they didn't invent anything. They learned from their
WASP forebears in the British Empire, whose banking back to Oliver Cromwell had become inextricably entangled with Jewish money
and Jewish interests to the point that Jews per capita dominated it even at the height of the British Empire, when simpleton WASPs
assume that WASPs truly ran everything, and that WASP power was for the good of even the poorest WASPs.
To Michael Hudson,
Great article. Evidence based, factually argued, enjoyably readable.
Replacements for the dollar dominated financial system are well into development. Digital dollars, credit cards, paypal, stock
and currency exchange online platforms, and perhaps most intriguing The exponential rise of Bitcoin and similar crypto-currencies.
The internet is also exponentially exposing the screwing we peasants have been getting by the psychopath, narcissistic, hedonistic,
predatory lenders and controllers. Next comes the widespread, easily usable, and inexpensive cell phone apps, social media exposures,
alternative websites (like Unz.com), and other technologies that will quickly identify every lying, evil, jerk so they can be
neutrilized / avoided
"Textbook trade theory depicts trade and investment as helping poorer countries catch up, compelling them to survive by
becoming more democratic to overcome their vested interests and oligarchies along the lines pioneered by European and North
American industrial economies."
I must be old; the economic textbooks I had did explain the benefits of freer trade among nations using Ricardo and Trade Indifference
Curves, but didn't prescribe any one political system being fostered by or even necessary for the benefits of international trade
to be reaped.
to be honest, this way of running things only need to last for 10-20 more years before automation will replace 800 million jobs.
then we will have a few trillionaire overlords unless true AI comes online. by that point nothing matters as we will become zoo
animals.
What the IMF and the Western Banking Cartel do to third world countries is akin to a pusher hopping up addicts on debt and
then taking it away while stripping them of their assets, pretty much hurting only the people of the third world country; certainly
not the WBC, and almost certainly not the criminal elite who took the deal.
That's true and the criminals do similar asset stripping to their own as well, through various means.
It's always the big criminals against the rest of us.
The Berlin Baghdad railway was an important cause for WWI.
Bingo. Stopping it was a huge factor. There was no way the banksters of the world were going to let that go forward, nor
were they going to let Germany and Russia link up in any other ways. They certainly were not about to allow any threats to the
Suez Canal nor any chance to let the oil fields slip from their control either.
The wars were also instigated to prevent either Germany or Russia having control of, and free access to warm water ports
and the wars also were an excuse to steal vast amounts of wealth from both Germany and Russia through various means.
All pious and pompous pretexts aside, economics was the motive for (the) war (s), and the issues are not settled to this day.
I.e., it's the same class of monstrously insatiable criminals who want everything for themselves who're causing the major troubles
of the day.
Unfortunately, as long as we have SoB's who're eager to sacrifice our blood and treasure for their
benfit, things will never change.
The golden rule is one thing. The paper rule is something else.
May you live in interesting times.
The golden rule is for dreamers, unfortunately. Those who control paper money rule, and your wish has been granted; we live
in times that are both interesting and fascinating, but are nevertheless the same old thing. Only the particular particulars
have changed.
Essentially, the anti-EU and anti-euro line that Professor Hudson has being pushing for years, which has now morphed into a pro-Putin
line as the anti-EU faction in the US have sought to use Putin as a "useful idiot" to destroy the EU. Since nobody in Europe reads
these articles, Ii doesn't really matter and I certainly don't see any EU leader following the advice of someone who has never
concealed his hostility to the EU's very existence: note the use of the racist slur "PIIGS" to refer to certain EU Member States.
Thus, Professor Hudson is simply pushing the "let Putin win in Ukraine" line dressed up in fine-sounding economic jargon.
Since nobody in Europe reads these articles, Ii doesn't really matter
None of it rally matters anyway, no matter how valid. To paraphrase Thucydides, the money grubbers do what they want and the
rest of us are forced to suck it up and limp along.
and I certainly don't see any EU leader following the advice
I doubt that that's Hudson's intent in writing the article. I see it as his attempt to explain the situation to those of us
who care about them even though our concern is pretty much useless.
I do thank him for taking the time to pen this stuff which I consider worthwhile and high quality.
That sounds good but social media is the weapon of choice in the EU too. Lot's of kids know and love Hudson. Any half capable
writer who empathetically explains why you're getting fucked is going to have some followers. Watering, nutrition, weeding. Before
too long you'll be on the Eurail to your destination.
said: "The Yank banker, the Yankee Wall Street super rich, set off a process of greed that led to Hitler." If true, so what?
That's a classic example of 'garbage in, garbage out'. http://www.codoh.com
This is not how the Enlightenment was supposed to evolve
In fact, this is exactly how it was supposed to work. The wave of liberal democracies was precisely to overturn the monarchies,
which were the last bulwark protecting the people from the full tyranny of the financiers, who were, by nature, one-world internationalists.
The real problem with this is that any form of monetary arrangement involves an implied trusteeship, with obligations on,
as well as benefits for, the trustee. The US is so abusing its trusteeship through the continual use of an irresponsible
sanctions regime that it risks a good portion of the world economy abandoning its system for someone else's, which may be perceived
to be run more responsibility. The disaster scenario would be the US having therefore in the future to access that other system
to purchase oil or minerals, and having that system do to us what we previously did to them -- sanction us out.
The proper
use by the US of its controlled system thus should be a defensive one -- mainly to act so fairly to all players that it, not someone
else, remains in control of the dominant worldwide exchange system. This sensible course of conduct, unfortunately, is not being
pursued by the US.
there is fuzzy, and then there is very fuzzy, and then there is the fuzziness compounded many-fold. The latter is this article.
Here from wiki: "
" Marx believed that capitalism was inherently built upon practices of usury and thus inevitably leading to the separation
of society into two classes: one composed of those who produce value and the other, which feeds upon the first one. In "Theories
of Surplus Value" (written 1862-1863), he states " that interest (in contrast to industrial profit) and rent (that is the form
of landed property created by capitalist production itself) are superfetations (i.e., excessive accumulations) which are not
essential to capitalist production and of which it can rid itself."
Wiki goes on to identify "rentier" as used by Marx, to be the same thing as "capitalists." What the above quotation says
is that capitalism CAN rid itself of genuine rent capital. First, the feudal rents that were extracted by landowners were NOT
part of a free market system. Serfdom was only one part of unfree conditions. A general condition of anarchy in rules and laws
by petty principalities characteristic of feudalism, both contained commerce and human beings. There was no freedom, political
or economic.
The conflation (collapsing) of rents and interest is a Marxist error which expands into complete nonsense when a competitive
economy has replaced feudal conditions. ON top of that, profits from a business, firm, or industrial enterprise are NOT rents.
Any marxist is a fool to pretend otherwise, and is just another ideological (False consciousness ) fanatic.
Germany loans money back to the poorer nations who buy her exports just as China loans money to the United States (they purchase
roughly a third of our Treasury bonds) so that Americans can continue to buy Chinese manufactured goods.
The role to be played by the USA in the "new world order" is that of being the farmer to the world. The meticulous Asians will
make stuff.
The problem with this is that it is based on 19th century notions of manufacturing. Technique today is vastly more complicated
than it was in the 1820′s and a nation must do everything in its power to protect and nurture its manufacturing and scientific
excellence. In the United States we have been giving this away to our competitors. We educate their children at our taxpayer's
expense and they take the knowledge gained back to their native countries where, with state subsidies, they build factories that
put Americans out of work. We fall further and further behind.
Strong global economic growth and Saudi Arabia bringing a risk premium to oil prices could
send Brent oil prices surging to $80 next year ,
more than
25 percent compared to current prices, according to economist Jim O'Neill, a former
chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management.
"While oil prices could be about $60 per barrel in November 2018, my guess is that they will
have risen to about $80 per barrel in the meantime," O'Neill wrote in Barron's on Saturday.
Although the economist himself admits that predicting oil prices is a tough job at which he
failed when he said in January 2015 that prices would not continue to fall, he now differs from
most of the analysts who expect oil prices to be around $60 next year. O'Neill doesn't believe
that oil prices will stagnate for a year.
On the demand side, world economic growth has picked up this year "and is now probably
growing at a rate of 4 percent or higher. With the exception of India and the United Kingdom,
eight of the 10 largest economies are expanding at the same time," O'Neill said.
Although many oil consuming countries try to lessen their dependence on oil, the transition
won't take place overnight, so the oil market is adjusting to stronger demand, the economist
notes. Looking at the supply side, events in Saudi Arabia are suddenly adding a premium to oil
prices. "The Saudi government has been implementing radical changes, both domestically and in
its foreign policy, and its reasons for doing so are not entirely clear," O'Neill writes. In
addition, the economist argues that the Brent spot price has now moved above the five-year
forward price, which suggests that a trend change may be underway. "For my part, I'm unsure,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened," O'Neill says, referring to the trend change.
Venezuela's oil production has been sliding for years, but the descent accelerated in 2015
amid low oil prices and a deteriorating cash position for PDVSA and the government. Production
dipped below 1.9 million barrels in recent weeks, the lowest level in more than three
decades.
The problems will only grow worse, especially because they tend to snowball. Without cash,
PDVSA will struggle to import diluent to blend with its heavy oil – the result could be
steeper production losses. Again, without cash, existing facilities cannot be maintained,
likely leading to an accelerating pace of decline. An array of refineries are "completely
paralyzed," the head of an oil workers union told Bloomberg. Defaults on more debt payments
could spark retaliation from creditors, which could eventually put oil exports in jeopardy.
In short, the woes in Venezuela's oil industry contributed to the crisis, but the dire
economic situation will accelerate the decline of oil production.
A group of analysts told Bloomberg that they expect Venezuela's output to average 1.84 mb/d
in 2018, a level that seems surprisingly optimistic given the pace of decline underway. Other
analysts predict output will plunge much lower.
Strong global economic growth and Saudi Arabia bringing a risk premium to oil prices could
send Brent oil prices surging to $80 next year ,
more than
25 percent compared to current prices, according to economist Jim O'Neill, a former
chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management.
"While oil prices could be about $60 per barrel in November 2018, my guess is that they will
have risen to about $80 per barrel in the meantime," O'Neill wrote in Barron's on Saturday.
Although the economist himself admits that predicting oil prices is a tough job at which he
failed when he said in January 2015 that prices would not continue to fall, he now differs from
most of the analysts who expect oil prices to be around $60 next year. O'Neill doesn't believe
that oil prices will stagnate for a year.
On the demand side, world economic growth has picked up this year "and is now probably
growing at a rate of 4 percent or higher. With the exception of India and the United Kingdom,
eight of the 10 largest economies are expanding at the same time," O'Neill said.
Although many oil consuming countries try to lessen their dependence on oil, the transition
won't take place overnight, so the oil market is adjusting to stronger demand, the economist
notes. Looking at the supply side, events in Saudi Arabia are suddenly adding a premium to oil
prices. "The Saudi government has been implementing radical changes, both domestically and in
its foreign policy, and its reasons for doing so are not entirely clear," O'Neill writes. In
addition, the economist argues that the Brent spot price has now moved above the five-year
forward price, which suggests that a trend change may be underway. "For my part, I'm unsure,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened," O'Neill says, referring to the trend change.
Venezuela's oil production has been sliding for years, but the descent accelerated in 2015
amid low oil prices and a deteriorating cash position for PDVSA and the government. Production
dipped below 1.9 million barrels in recent weeks, the lowest level in more than three
decades.
The problems will only grow worse, especially because they tend to snowball. Without cash,
PDVSA will struggle to import diluent to blend with its heavy oil – the result could be
steeper production losses. Again, without cash, existing facilities cannot be maintained,
likely leading to an accelerating pace of decline. An array of refineries are "completely
paralyzed," the head of an oil workers union told Bloomberg. Defaults on more debt payments
could spark retaliation from creditors, which could eventually put oil exports in jeopardy.
In short, the woes in Venezuela's oil industry contributed to the crisis, but the dire
economic situation will accelerate the decline of oil production.
A group of analysts told Bloomberg that they expect Venezuela's output to average 1.84 mb/d
in 2018, a level that seems surprisingly optimistic given the pace of decline underway. Other
analysts predict output will plunge much lower.
"... An interview by Gordon T. Long of the Financial Repression Authority. Originally published at his website ..."
"... One of the most important distinctions that investors have to understand is the difference between secular and cyclical trends Let us begin with definitions from the Encarta® World English Dictionary: ..."
"... Secular – occurring only once in the course of an age or century; taking place over an extremely or indefinitely long period of time ..."
"... Cycle – a sequence of events that is repeated again and again, especially a causal sequence; a period of time between repetitions of an event or phenomenon that occurs regularly ..."
"... Secular stagnation is when the predators of finance have eaten too many sheeple. ..."
"... Real estate rents in this latest asset bubble, whether commercial or residential, appear to have been going up in many markets even if the increases are slowing. That rent inflation will likely turn into rent deflation, but that doesn't appear to have happened yet consistently. ..."
"... Barter has always existed and always will. Debt money expands and contracts the middle class, acting as a feedback signal, which never works over the long term, because the so encapsulated system can only implode, when natural resource liquidation cannot be accelerated. The whole point is to eliminate the initial requirement for capital, work. Debt fails because both sides of the same coin assume that labor can be replaced. The machines driven by dc technology are not replacing labor; neither the elites nor the middle class can fix the machines, which is why they keep accelerating debt, to replace one failed technology only to be followed by the next, netting extortion by whoever currently controls the debt machine, which the majority is always fighting over, expending more energy to avoid work, like the objective is to avoid sweating, unless you are dumb enough to run on asphalt with Nike gear. ..."
"... . . . The whole argument for privatization, for instance, is the opposite of what was taught in American business schools in the 19th century. The first professor of economics at the Wharton School of Business, which was the first business school, was Simon Patten. He said that public infrastructure is a fourth factor of production. But its role isn't to make a profit . It's to lower the cost of public services and basic inputs to lower the cost of living and lower the cost of doing business to make the economy more competitive. But privatization adds interest payments, dividends, managerial payments, stock buybacks, and merges and acquisitions . Obviously these financialized charges are factored into the price system and raise the cost of living and doing business . ..."
GORDON LONG: Thank you for joining us. I'm Gordon Long with the Financial Repression Authority. It's my pleasure to have with
me today Dr. Michael Hudson Professor Hudson's very well known in terms of the FIRE economy to-I think, to a lot of our listeners,
or at least he's recognized by many as fostering that concept. A well known author, he has published many, many books. Welcome, Professor
Hudson.
MICHAEL HUDSON: Yes.
LONG: Let's just jump into the subject. I mentioned the FIRE economy cause I know that I have always heard it coming from yourself-or,
indirectly, not directly, from yourself. Could you explain to our listeners what's meant by that terminology?
HUDSON: Well it's more than just people getting fired. FIRE is an acronym for Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. Basically that
sector is about assets, not production and consumption. And most people think of the economy as being producers making goods and
services and paying labor to produce them – and then, labour is going to buy these goods and services. But this production and consumption
economy is surrounded by the asset economy: the web of Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate of who owns assets, and who owes the debts,
and to whom.
LONG: How would you differentiate it (or would you) with what's often referred to as financialization, or the financialization
of our economy? Are they one and the same?
HUDSON: Pretty much. The Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate sector is dominated by finance. 70 to 80% of bank loans in North
America and Europe are mortgage loans against real estate. So instead of a landowner class owning property clean and clear, as they
did in the 19 th century, now you have a democratization of real estate. 2/3 or more of the population owns their own
home. But the only way to buy a home, or commercial real estate, is on credit. So the loan-to-value ratio goes up steadily. Banks
lend more and more money to the real estate sector. A home or piece of real estate, or a stock or bond, is worth whatever banks are
willing to lend against it
As banks loosen their credit terms, as they lower their interest rates, take lower down payments, and lower amortization rates
– by making interest-only loans – they are going to lend more and more against property. So real estate is bid up on credit. All
this rise in price is debt leverage. So a financialized economy is a debt-leveraged economy, whether it's real estate or insurance,
or buying an education, or just living. And debt leveraging means that a larger proportion of assets are represented by debt. So
debt equity ratios rise. But financialization also means that more and more of people's income and corporate and government tax revenue
is paid to creditors. There's a flow of revenue from the production-and-consumption economy to the financial sector.
LONG: I don't know if you know Richard Duncan. He was with the IMF, etc, and lives in Thailand. He argues right now that capitalism
is no longer functioning, and really what he refers to what we have now is "creditism." Because in capitalism we have savings that
are reinvested into productive assets that create productivity, which leads to a higher level of living. We're not doing that. We
have no savings and investments. Credit is high in the financial sector, but it's not being applied to productive assets. Is he valid
in that thinking?
HUDSON: Not as in your statement. It's confused.
LONG: Okay.
HUDSON: There's an enormous amount of savings. Gross savings. The savings we have that are mounting up are just about as large
as they've ever been – about, 18-19% of the US economy. They're counterpart is debt. Most savings are lent out to borrowers se debt.
Basically, you have savers at the top of the pyramid, the 1% lending out their savings to the 99%. The overall net savings may be
zero, and that's what your stupid person from the IMF meant. But gross savings are much higher. Now, the person, Mr. Duncan, obviously-I
don't know what to say when I hear this nonsense. Every economy is a credit economy.
Let's start in Ancient Mesopotamia. The group that I organized out of Harvard has done a 20-study of the origins of economic structuring
in the Bronze Age, even the Neolithic, and the Bronze Age economy – 3200 BC going back to about 1200 BC. Suppose you're a Babylonian
in the time of Hammurabi, about 1750 BC, and you're a cultivator. How do you buy things during the year? Well, if you go to the bar,
to an ale woman, what she'd do is write down the debt that you owe. It was to be paid on the threshing floor. The debts were basically
paid basically once a year when the income was there, on the threshing floor when the harvest was in. If the palace or the temples
would advance animals or inputs or other public services, this would be as a debt. It was all paid in grain, which was monetized
for paying debts to the palace, temples and other creditors.
The IMF has this Austrian theory that pretends that money began as barter and that capitalism basically operates on barter. This
always is a disinformation campaign. Nobody believed this in times past, and it is a very modern theory that basically is used to
say, "Oh, debt is bad." What they really mean is that public debt is bad. The government shouldn't create money, the government shouldn't
run budget deficits but should leave the economy to rely on the banks. So the banks should run and indebt the economy.
You're dealing with a public relations mythology that's used as a means of deception for most people. You can usually ignore just
about everything the IMF says. If you understand money you're not going to be hired by the IMF. The precondition for being hired
by the IMF is not to understand finance. If you do understand finance, you're fired and blacklisted. That's why they impose
austerity programs that they call "stabilization programs" that actually are destabilization programs almost wherever they're imposed.
LONG: Is this a lack of understanding and adherence to the wrong philosophy, or how did we get into this trap?
HUDSON: We have an actively erroneous view, not just a lack of understanding. This is not by accident. When you have an error
repeated year after year after year, decade after decade after decade, it's not really insanity doing the same thing thinking it'll
be different. It's sanity. It's doing the same thing thinking the result will be the same again and again and again. The result
will indeed be austerity programs, making budget deficits even worse, driving governments further into debt, further into reliance
on the IMF. So then the IMF turns them to the knuckle breakers of the World Bank and says, "Oh, now you have to pay your debts by
privatization". It's the success. The successful error of monetarism is to force countries to have such self-defeating policies that
they end up having to privatize their natural resources, their public domain, their public enterprises, their communications and
transportation, like you're seeing in Greece's selloffs. So when you find an error that is repeated, it's deliberate. It's not insane.
It's part of the program, not a bug.
LONG: Where does this lead us? What's the roadmap ahead of us here?
HUDSON: A thousand years ago, if you were a marauding gang and you wanted to take over a country's land and its natural resources
and public sector, you'd have to invade it with military troops. Now you use finance to take over countries. So it leads us into
a realm where everything that the classical economists saw and argued for – public investment, bringing costs in line with the actual
cost of production – that's all rejected in favor of a rentier class evolving into an oligarchy. Basically, financiers – the
1% – are going to pry away the public domain from the government. Pry away and privatize the public enterprises, land, natural resources,
so that bondholders and privatizers get all of the revenue for themselves. It's all sucked up to the top of the pyramid, impoverishing
the 99%.
LONG: Well I think most people, without understanding economics, would instinctively tell you they think that's what's happening
right now, in some way.
HUDSON: Right. As long as you can avoid studying economics you know what's happened. Once you take an economics course you step
into brainwashing. It's an Orwellian world.
LONG: I think you said it perfectly well there. Exactly. It gets you locked into the wrong way of thinking as opposed to just
basic common sense. Your book is Killing the Host . What was the essence of its message? Was it describing exactly what we're
talking about here?
HUDSON: Finance has taken over the industrial economy, so that instead of finance becoming what it was expected to be in the 19
th century, instead of the banks evolving from usurious organizations that leant to governments, mainly to wage war, finance
was going to be industrialized. They were going to mobilize savings and recycle it to finance the means of production, starting with
heavy industry. This was actually happening in Germany in the late 19 th century. You had the big banks working with government
and industry in a triangular process. But that's not what's happening now. After WW1 and especially after WW2, finance reverted to
its pre-industrial form. Instead of allying themselves with industry, as banks were expected to do, banks allied themselves with
real estate and monopolies, realizing that they can make more money off real estate.
The bank spokesman David Ricardo argued against the landed interest in 1817, against land rent. Now the banks are all in favor
of supporting land rent, knowing that today, when people buy and sell property, they need credit and pay interest for it. The banks
are going to get all the rent. So you have the banks merge with real estate against industry, against the economy as a whole. The
result is that they're part of the overhead process, not part of the production process.
LONG: There's a sense that there's a crisis lying ahead in the next year, two years, or three years. The mainstream economy's
so disconnected from Wall Street economy. What's your view on that?
HUDSON: It's not disconnected at all. The Wall Street economy has taken over the economy and is draining it. Under what economics
students are taught as Say's Law, the economy's workers are supposed to use their income to buy what they produce. That's why Henry
Ford paid them $5 a day, so that they could afford to buy the automobiles they were producing.
LONG: Exactly.
HUDSON: But Wall Street is interjecting itself into the economy, so that instead of the circular flow between producers and consumers,
you have more and more of the flow diverted to pay interest, insurance and rent. In other words, to pay the FIRE sector. It all ends
up with the financial sector, most of which is owned by the 1%. So, their way of formulating it is to distract attention from today's
debt quandary by saying it's just a cycle, or it's "secular stagnation." That removes the element of agency – active politicking
by the financial interests and Wall Street lobbyists to obtain all the growth of income and wealth for themselves. That's what happened
in America and Canada since the late 1970s.
LONG: What does an investor do today, or somebody who's looking for retirement, trying to save for the future, and they see some
of these things occurring. What should they be thinking about? Or how should they be protecting themselves?
HUDSON: What all the billionaires and the heavy investors do is simply try to preserve their wealth. They're not trying to make
money, they're not trying to speculate. If you're an investor, you're not going to outsmart Wall Street billionaires, because the
markets are basically fixed. It's the George Soros principle. If you have so much money, billions of dollars, you can break the Bank
of England. You don't follow the market, you don't anticipate it, you actually make the market and push it up, like the Plunge Protection
Team is doing with the stock market these days. You have to be able to control the prices. Insiders make money, but small investors
are not going to make money.
Since you're in Canada, I remember the beginning of the 1960s. I used to look at the Treasury Bulletin and Federal Reserve
Bulletin figures on foreign investment in the US stock market. We all used to laugh at Canada especially. The Canadians don't
buy stocks until they're up to the very top, and then they lose all the money by holding these stocks on the downturn. Finally, when
the market's all the way at the bottom, Canadians decide to begin selling because they finally can see a trend. So they miss the
upswing until they decide to buy at the top once again. It's hilarious to look at how Canada has performed in the US bond market,
and they did the same in the silver market. I remember when silver was going up to $50. The Canadians said, "Yes, we can see the
trend now!" and they began to buy it. They lost their shirts. So, basically, if you're a Canadian investor, move.
LONG: So the Canadian investors are a better contrarian indicator than the front page cover, you're saying.
HUDSON: I'd think so. Once they get in, you know the bubble's over.
LONG: Absolutely on that one. What are you currently writing? What is your current focus now?
HUDSON: Well, I just finished a book. You mentioned Killing the Host . My next book will be out in about three months:
J is for Junk Economics . It began as a dictionary of terms, so I can provide people with a vocabulary. As we got in the argument
at the beginning of your program today, our argument is about the vocabulary we're using and the words you're using. The vocabulary
taught to students today in economics – and used by the mass media and by government spokesmen – is basically a set of euphemisms.
If you look at the television reports on the market, they say that any loss in the stock market isn't a loss, it's "profit taking".
And when they talk about money. the stock market rises – "Oh that's good news." But it's awful news for the short sellers it wipes
out. Almost all the words we get are kind of euphemisms to conceal the actual dynamics that are happening. For instance, "secular
stagnation" means it's all a cycle. Even the idea of "business cycles": Nobody in the 19 th century used the word "business
cycle". They spoke about "crashes". They knew that things go up slowly and then they plunge very quickly. It was a crash. It's not
the sine curve that you have in Josef Schumpeter's book on Business Cycles . It's a ratchet effect: slow up, quick down. A
cycle is something that is automatic, and if it's a cycle and you have leading and lagging indicators as the National Bureau of Economic
Research has. Then you'd think "Oh, okay, everything that goes up will come down, and everything that goes down will come up, just
wait your turn." And that means governments should be passive.
Well, that is the opposite of everything that's said in classical economics and the Progressive Era, when they realized that economies
don't recover by themselves. You need a-the government to step in, you need something "exogenous," as economist say. You need something
from outside the system to revive it. The covert idea of this business cycle analysis is to leave out the role of government. If
you look at neoliberal and Austrian theory, there's no role for government spending, and no role of public investment. The whole
argument for privatization, for instance, is the opposite of what was taught in American business schools in the 19 th
century. The first professor of economics at the Wharton School of Business, which was the first business school, was Simon Patten.
He said that public infrastructure is a fourth factor of production. But its role isn't to make a profit. It's to lower the cost
of public services and basic inputs to lower the cost of living and lower the cost of doing business to make the economy more competitive.
But privatization adds interest payments, dividends, managerial payments, stock buybacks, and merges and acquisitions. Obviously
these financialized charges are factored into the price system and raise the cost of living and doing business.
LONG: Well, Michael, we're-I thank you for the time, and we're up against our hard line. I know we didn't have as much time as
we always like, so we have to break. Any overall comments you'd like to leave with our listeners who might be interested this school
of economics?
HUDSON: Regarding the downturn we're in, we're going into a debt deflation. The key of understanding the economy is to look at
debt. The economy has to spend more and more money on debt service. The reason the economy is not recovering isn't simply because
this is a normal cycle. And It's not because labour is paid too much. It's because people are diverting more and more of their income
to paying their debts, so they can't afford to buy goods. Markets are shrinking – and if markets are shrinking, then real estate
rents are shrinking, profits are shrinking. Instead of using their earnings to reinvest and hire more labour to increase production,
companies are using their earnings for stock buybacks and dividend payouts to raise the share price so that the managers can take
their revenue in the form of bonuses and stocks and live in the short run. They're leaving their companies as bankrupt shells, which
is pretty much what hedge funds do when they take over companies.
So the financialization of companies is the reverse of everything Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, and everyone you think of as a
classical economist was saying. Banks wrap themselves in a cloak of classical economics by dropping history of economic thought from
the curriculum, which is pretty much what's happened. And Canada-I know since you're from Canada, my experience there was that the
banks have a huge lobbying power over government. In 1979, I wrote for the IRPP Institute there on Canada In the New Monetary
Order . At that time the provinces of Canada were borrowing money from Switzerland and Germany because they could borrow it at
much lower interest rates. I said that this was going to be a disaster, and one that was completely unnecessary. If Canadian provinces
borrow in Francs or any other foreign currency, this money goes into the central bank, which then creates Canadian dollars to spend.
Why not have the central bank simply create these dollars without having Swiss francs, without having German marks? It's unnecessary
to have an intermediary. But the more thuggish banks, like the Bank of Nova Scotia, said, "Oh, that way's the road to serfdom." It's
not. Following the banks and the Austrian School of the banks' philosophy, that's the road to serfdom. That's the road
to debt serfdom. It should not be taken now. It lets universities and the government be run by neoliberals. They're a travesty of
what real economics is all about.
LONG: Michael, thank you very much. I learned a lot, appreciate it; certainly appreciate how important it is for us to use the
right words on the right subject when we're talking about economics. Absolutely agree with you. Talk to you again?
Interesting, but after insulting Duncan, Hudson says the banks stopped partnering with industry and went into real estate,
which sounded like what Duncan said.
I mention this because for a non- expert like myself it is sometimes difficult to tell when an expert is disagreeing with someone
for good reasons or just going off half- cocked. I followed what Hudson said about the evils of the IMF, but didn't see where
Duncan had defended any of that, unless it was implicit in saying that capitalism used to function better.
"As we got in the argument at the beginning of your program today, our argument is about the vocabulary we're using and the
words you're using. The vocabulary taught to students today in economics – and used by the mass media and by government spokesmen
– is basically a set of euphemisms ."Almost all the words we get are kind of euphemisms to conceal the actual dynamics that are
happening."
May consider it's about recognizing and deciphering the "doublespeak", "newspeak", "fedspeak", "greenspeak" etc, whether willing
or unwitting using words for understanding and clarifying as opposed to misleading and confusing dialectic as opposed to sophistry.
What I objected to was the characterization of today's situation as "financialization." I explained that financialization is
the FIRST stage - when finance WORKS. We are now in the BREAKDOWN of financialization - toward the "barter" stage.
Treating "finance" as an end stage rather than as a beginning stage overlooks the dynamics of breakdown. It is debt deflation.
First profits fall, and as that occurs, rents on commercial property decline. This is already widespread here in New York, from
Manhattan (8th St. near NYU is half empty) to Queens (Austin St. in Forest Hills.).
I wrote an article you might be interested in reading. It outlines a tax policy which would help prevent what you are discussing
in your article. The abuse of credit to receive rents and long term capital gains.
Thank you for another eye-opening exposition. My political economy education was negative (counting a year of Monetarism and
Austrian Economics around 1980), so I appreciate your interviews as correctives.
From your interview answer to the question about what we, the 99+% should do,I gathered only that we should not try to beat
the market. Anything more than that?
From my understanding, post Plaza banking lost most of its traditional market to the shadow sector, as a result, expanded off
into C/RE and increasingly to Financialization of everything sundry.
Disheveled Marsupial interesting to note Mr. Hudson's statement about barter, risk factors – ?????
One of the most important distinctions that investors have to understand is the difference between secular and cyclical
trends Let us begin with definitions from the Encarta® World English Dictionary:
Secular – occurring only once in the course of an age or century; taking place over an extremely or indefinitely long period
of time
Cycle – a sequence of events that is repeated again and again, especially a causal sequence; a period of time between repetitions
of an event or phenomenon that occurs regularly
Secular stagnation is a condition of negligible or no economic growth in a market-based economy . When
per capita income stays at relatively high levels, the percentage of savings is likely to start exceeding the percentage of longer-term
investments in, for example, infrastructure and education, that are necessary to sustain future economic growth. The absence of
such investments (and consequently of the economic growth) leads to declining levels of per capita income (and consequently of
per capita savings). With the reduced percentage savings rate converging with the reduced investment rate, economic growth comes
to a standstill – ie, it stagnates. In a free economy, consumers anticipating secular stagnation, might transfer their savings
to more attractive-looking foreign countries. This would lead to a devaluation of their domestic currency, which would potentially
boost their exports, assuming that the country did have goods or services that could be exported.
Persistent low growth, especially in Europe, has been attributed by some to secular stagnation initiated by stronger European
economies, such as Germany, in the past few years.
Words. What they mean depends on who's talking.
Secular stagnation is when the predators of finance have eaten too many sheeple.
Markets are shrinking – and if markets are shrinking, then real estate rents are shrinking, profits are shrinking.
Real estate rents in this latest asset bubble, whether commercial or residential, appear to have been going up in many
markets even if the increases are slowing. That rent inflation will likely turn into rent deflation, but that doesn't appear to
have happened yet consistently.
Perhaps he meant to say that markets are going to shrink as the debt deflation becomes more evident?
Yes, I think we are into turnip country now. Figure 1 in
this
prior article looks clear enough – even if you don't like the analysis that went with it. Wealth inequality still climbs but
income inequality has plateaued since Clinton I. Whatever the reasons for that, the 1% should be concerned – where is the ROI?
Barter has always existed and always will. Debt money expands and contracts the middle class, acting as a feedback signal,
which never works over the long term, because the so encapsulated system can only implode, when natural resource liquidation cannot
be accelerated. The whole point is to eliminate the initial requirement for capital, work. Debt fails because both sides of the
same coin assume that labor can be replaced. The machines driven by dc technology are not replacing labor; neither the elites
nor the middle class can fix the machines, which is why they keep accelerating debt, to replace one failed technology only to
be followed by the next, netting extortion by whoever currently controls the debt machine, which the majority is always fighting
over, expending more energy to avoid work, like the objective is to avoid sweating, unless you are dumb enough to run on asphalt
with Nike gear.
Labor has no problem with multiwhatever presidents, geneticists, psychologists, or economists, trying to hunt down and replace
labor, in or out of turn, but none are going to be any more successful than the others. Trump is being employed to bypass the
middle class and cut a deal. There is no deal. Labor is always going to pay males to work and their wives to raise children. Obviously,
the majority will vote for a competing economy, and it is welcome to do so, but if debt works so well, why is the majority voting
to kidnap our kids with public healthcare and education policies.
I'm not sure I heard an answer to the question of what people, who might be trying to save for the future or plan for retirement,
can do? Is the point that there isn't anything? Because I'm definitely between rocks and hard places
Yeah, he basically said there is no good savings plan. Big-money interests have rigged the rules and are now manipulating the
market (this used to be the definition of what was NOT allowed). Thus, they use computer algorithms to squeeze small amounts out
of the market millions of times. This means that the "investments" are nothing of the sort. You don't "invest" in something for
milliseconds. He said that the 1% are mostly just trying to hold on to what they have. Very few trust the rigged markets.
Low rent & cheap energy are key to the arts & innovations. My model has to work for airports, starts at the fuel farm as the
CIA & MI6 Front Page Avjet did. Well before that was Air America. I wonder if now American Airlines itself is a Front.
All of America is a Front far as I can about tell. Hadn't heard that Manhattan rents were coming down. Come in from out of
town, how you going to know? Not supposed to I guess.
I got that textbook and I liked that guy John Commons. He says capitalism is great, but it always leads to Socialism because
of unbridled greed.
The frenzy to find another stable cash currency showing in Bit Coin and the discussion of Future Tax Credits while the Euro
is controlled by the rent takers demands change on both sides of the Atlantic.
We got shot dead protesting the war, and civil rights backlash is the gift that keeps giving to the Southerners looking up
every day in every courthouse town, County seat is all about spreading fear and desperation.
How to change it all without violence is going to be really tricky.
. . . So, basically, if you're a Canadian investor, move.
LONG: So the Canadian investors are a better contrarian indicator than the front page cover, you're saying.
HUDSON: I'd think so. Once they get in, you know the bubble's over.
When one reads the financial press in Canada, every dollar extracted by the lords of finance is a glorious taking by brilliant
people at the top of the financial food chain from the stupid little people at the bottom, but when it counts, there was silence,
in cooperation with Canada's one percent.
The story starts about five years ago, with smart meters. Everyone knows what they are, a method by which electrical power
use can be priced depending on the time of day, and day of the week.
To make this tasty, Ontario's local utilities at first kept the price the same for all the time, and then after all the meters
were installed, came the changes, phased in over time. Prices were increased substantially, but there was an out. If you changed
your living arrangements to live like a nocturnal rodent and washed your clothes in the middle of the night, had supper later
in the evening or waited for weekend power rates you could still get low power rates, from the three tier price structure.
The local utilities bought the power from the government of Ontario power generation utility, renamed to Hydro One, and this
is where Michael Hudson's talk becomes relevant.
The successful error of monetarism is to force countries to have such self-defeating policies that they end up having to
privatize their natural resources, their public domain, their public enterprises, their communications and transportation, like
you're seeing in Greece's selloffs. So when you find an error that is repeated, it's deliberate. It's not insane. It's
part of the program, not a bug .
LONG: Where does this lead us? What's the roadmap ahead of us here?
HUDSON: A thousand years ago, if you were a marauding gang and you wanted to take over a country's land and its natural
resources and public sector, you'd have to invade it with military troops. Now you use finance to take over countries. So it leads
us into a realm where everything that the classical economists saw and argued for – public investment, bringing costs
in line with the actual cost of production – that's all rejected in favor of a rentier class evolving into an oligarchy. Basically,
financiers – the 1% – are going to pry away the public domain from the government. Pry away and privatize the public enterprises,
land, natural resources, so that bondholders and privatizers get all of the revenue for themselves. It's all sucked up to the
top of the pyramid, impoverishing the 99% .
Eighteen months ago, there was an election in Ontario, and the press was on radio silence during the whole time leading up
to the election about the plans to "privatize" Hydro One. I cannot recall one instance of any mention that the new Premier, Kathleen
Wynne was planning on selling Hydro One to "investors".
Where did this come from? Did the little people rise up and say to the politicians "you should privatize Hydro One" for whatever
reason? No. This push came from the 1% and Hydro One was sold so fast it made my head spin, and is now trading on the Toronto
Stock exchange.
At first I though the premier was an economic ignoramus, because Hydro One was generating income for the province and there
was no other power supplier, so one couldn't even fire them if they raised their prices too high.
One of the arguments put forward by the 1% to privatize Hydro One was a classic divide and conquer strategy. They argued that
too many people at Hydro One were making too much money, and by privatizing, the employees wages would be beat down, and the resultant
savings would be passed on to customers.
Back to Michael Hudson
. . . The whole argument for privatization, for instance, is the opposite of what was taught in American business schools
in the 19th century. The first professor of economics at the Wharton School of Business, which was the first business school,
was Simon Patten. He said that public infrastructure is a fourth factor of production. But its role isn't to make a profit
. It's to lower the cost of public services and basic inputs to lower the cost of living and lower the cost of doing
business to make the economy more competitive. But privatization adds interest payments, dividends, managerial payments,
stock buybacks, and merges and acquisitions . Obviously these financialized charges are factored into the price system
and raise the cost of living and doing business .
Power prices have increased yet again in Ontario since privatization, and Canada's 1% are "making a killing" on it. There has
been another change as well. Instead of a three tier price structure, there are now two, really expensive and super expensive.
There is no longer a price break to living like a nocturnal rodent. The 1% took that for themselves.
I am so tired of seeing that old lie about Old Henry and the $5 a day. I realize it was just a tossed off reference to something
most people believe for the purpose of describing a discarded policy, but the fact is very, very few of Old Henry's employees
ever got that pay. See, there were strings attached.
Old Henry hired a lot of spies, too. He sent them around to the neighborhoods where his workers lived (it was convenient having
them all in Detroit). If the neighbors saw your kid bringing a bucket of beer home from the corner tavern for the family, you
didn't get the $5.
If your lawn wasn't mowed to their satisfaction, you didn't get the $5. If you were thought not to bathe as often as they liked,
you didn't get the $5. If you didn't go to a church on Sundays, you didn't get the $5. If you were an immigrant and not taking
English classes at night school, you didn't get the $5. There were quite a lot of strings attached. The whole story was a public
relations stunt, and Old Henry never intended to live up to it; he hated his workers.
"... Primates with about exponentially increasing physical technologies continue to deliberately ignore and misunderstand themselves as much as is humanly possible, due to the history of warfare making and maintaining the currently existing political economy, whose maliciousness is manifesting through runaway vicious feedback loops, whereby the excessively successful control of Civilization through applications of the methods of organized crime are resulting in that Civilization manifesting runaway criminal insanities. Indeed, in that context, where there is almost nothing but the central core of triumphant organized crime, namely bankster dominated governments, surrounded by various layers of controlled "opposition" groups, which stay within the same bullshit-based frames of reference regarding those phenomena, the overall situation is that society becoming about exponentially sicker and insane. ..."
"... In general, "Asset Managers" are stuck inside taking for granted that everything they do has become almost totally based on being able to enforce frauds, despite some of them noticing the increasingly blatant ways that there are accumulating apparent anomalies in those systems, as vicious feedback loops drive those systems to become about exponentially more fraudulent, and therefore increasingly unbalanced. To come to better terms with those apparent anomalies requires going through series of intellectual scientific revolutions and profound paradigm shifts, which overall become ways that human beings better understand themselves as manifestations of general energy systems. However, since doing so requires recognizing how and why governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, dominated by the best organized gangsters, the banksters, it continues to be politically impossible to accomplish that. ..."
"... At each open, algos compute the increase in their AUM from the prior day and their margin reach. They then begin buying. All algos do this. Buying whenever cash/margin exists; selling whenever profit targets exist. On pullbacks, the algos withdraw, volume evaporates, minimizing the drop. The algos collectively increase equity prices without consideration of the value of the money involved. Not valuations. No fundamentals. Just ones and zeroes. Just a program. ..."
Macro-prudential regulations follow financial crises, rarely do they precede one. Even when evidence is abundant of systemic risks
building up, as is today, regulators and policymakers have a marked tendency to turn an institutional blind eye, hoping for imbalances
to fizzle out on their own – at least beyond the duration of their mandates. It does not work differently in economics than it does
for politics, where short-termism drives the agenda, oftentimes at the expenses of either the next government, the broader population
or the next generation.
It does not work differently in the business world either, where corporate actions are selected based on the immediate gratification
of shareholders, which means pleasing them at the next round of earnings, often at the expenses of long-term planning and at times
exposing the company itself to disruption threats from up-and-comers.
Long-term vision does not pay; it barely shows up in the incentive schemes laid out for most professions . Economics is no exception.
Orthodoxy and stillness preserve the status quo, and the advantages hard earned by the few who rose from the ranks of the establishment
beforehand.
Yet, when it comes to Central Banking, and more in general policymaking, financial stability should top the priority list. It
honorably shows up in the utility function, together with price stability and employment, but is not pursued nearly as actively as
them. Central planning and interventionism is no anathema when it comes to target the decimals of unemployment or consumer prices,
yet is residual when it comes to master systemic risks, relegated to the camp of ex-post macro-prudential regulation. This is all
the more surprising as we know all too well how badly a deep unsettlement of financial markets can reverberate across the real economy,
possibly leading into recessions, unemployment, un-anchoring of inflation expectations and durable disruption to consumer patterns.
There is no shortage of reminders for that in the history books, looking at the fallout of dee dives in markets in 1929, 2000 and
2007, amongst others.
Intriguingly, the other way round is accepted and even theorized. Manipulating bond and stock prices, directly or indirectly,
is mainstream policy theory today. From Ben Bernanke's 'portfolio balance channel theory', to the relentless pursuit of the 'wealth
effect' via financial repression under Janet Yellen and Haruhiko Kuroda, to Mario Draghi tackling the fragmentation of credit markets
across the EU via direct asset purchases, the practice has become commonplace. To some, like us, the 'wealth effect' may be proving
to be more of an 'inequality effect' than much, leading to populism and constantly threatening regime change, but that is beyond
the scope of this note today.
What we want to focus on instead is the direct impact that monetary interventionism like Quantitative Easing ('QE') and Negative
or Zero Interest Rate Policies ('NIRP' or 'ZIRP') have on the structure of the market itself, how they help create a one-sided investment
community, oftentimes long-only, fully invested when not levered up, relying on record-highs for bonds and stocks to perpetuate themselves
endlessly - despite a striking disconnect from fundamentals, life-dependent on the lowest levels of volatility ever seen in history
. The market structure morphed under the eyes of policymakers over the last few years, to become a pressure cooker at risk of blowing-up,
with a small but steadily growing probability as times goes by and the bubble inflates. The
positive feedback loops between monetary flooding and the private investment
community are culpable for transforming an ever present market risk into a systemic risk, and for masking as peaceful what is instead
an unstable equilibrium and
market fragility.
Positive Feedback Loops create divergence from general equilibrium, and Systemic Risks
Positive feedback loops , in finance like in biology, chemistry, cybernetics, breed system instability, as they orchestrate a
further divergence from equilibrium . An unstable equilibrium is defined as one where a small disturbance is sufficient to trigger
a large adjustment.
QE and NIRP have two predominant effects on markets: (i) relentless up-trend in stocks and bonds (the 'Trend Factor') , dominated
by the buy-the-dip mentality, which encapsulates the 'moral hazard' of investors knowing Central Banks are prompt to come to their
rescue (otherwise known as 'Bernanke/Yellen/Kuroda/Draghi put'), and (ii) the relentless down-trend in volatility the 'Volatility
Factor').
Two Factors Explain All: Trend and Volatility
The most fashionable investment strategies these days are directly impacted by either one or both of these drivers. Such strategies
make the bulk of the overall market, after leverage or turnover is taken into account : we will refer to them in the following as
'passive' or 'quasi-passive' . The trend impacts the long-only community, crowning it as a sure winner, making the case for low-
cost passive investing. The low volatility permeates everything else, making the case for full- investment and leverage.
The vast majority of investors these days are not independent from the QE environment they operate within : ETFs and index funds,
Risk Parity funds and Target Volatility vehicles, Low Volatility / Short Volatility vehicles, trend-chasing algos, Machine Learning-inspired
funds, behavioral Alternative Risk Premia funds. They are the poster children of the QE world. We estimate combined assets under
management of in excess of $8trn across the spectrum. They form a broad category of 'passive' or 'quasi-passive' investors, as are
being mechanically driven by two main factors: trend and volatility.
Source: Fasanara Presentations | Market Fragility
- How to Position for Twin Bubbles Bust, 16 th October 2017. The slide is described in details in this
video recording.
Extraordinary monetary policies have feedback loops with the asset management industry as a whole, reinforcing the effects on
markets of such policies in a vicious – or virtuous - cycle . QE and NIRP help a large number of investment strategies to flourish,
validating their success and supporting their asset gathering in the process, and are in return helped in boosting bond and stock
markets by their flows joining the already monumental public flows.
Private flows so reach singularity with public flows, and the whole market economy morphs into a one big common bet on ever-rising
prices, in shallow volatility. Here is the story of how $15trn of money printing by major Central Banks in the last ten years, of
which $3.7trn in 2017 alone, is joined by total assets of $8trn managed into buying the same safe and risk assets across, with leverage,
indiscriminately.
How Market Risk became Systemic Risk
Let's give a cursory look at the main players involved (a recent presentation we did is recorded
here) . As markets trend higher, no matter what happens (ever against the
shocked disbeliefs of Brexit, Trump, an Italian failed referendum and nuclear threats in North Korea), investors understand the outperformance
that comes from pricing risks out of their portfolios entirely and going long-only and fully-invested. Whoever under-weighs positions
in an attempt to be prudent ends up underperforming its benchmarks and is then penalized with redemptions. Passive investors who
are long-only and fully invested are the winners, as they are designed to be bold and insensitive to risks. As Central Banks policies
reduce the level of interest rates to zero or whereabouts, fees become ever more relevant, making the case for passive investing
most compelling. The rise of ETF and passive index funds is then inevitable.
According to JP Morgan, in the last 10 years, $2trn left active managers in equities and $2trn entered passive managers (pag.39
here) . We may be excused for thinking they are the
same $ 2trn of underlying investors progressively pricing risk provisions out of books, de facto , while chasing outperformance and
lower fees.
To be sure, ETFs are a great financial innovation, helping reducing costs in an expensive industry and giving entry to markets
previously un-accessible to most investors. Yet, what matters here is their impact on systemic risks, via positive feedback loops.
In circular reference, beyond Central Banks flows, markets are helped rise by such classes of valuations-insensitive passive investors,
which are then rewarded with further inflows, with which they can then buy more. The more expensive valuations get, the more they
disconnect from fundamentals, the more divergence from equilibrium occurs, the larger fat-tail risks become.
In ever-rising markets, 'buy-and-hold' strategies may only possibly be outsmarted by 'buy-the-dip' strategies. Whatever the outcome
of risk events, be ready to buy the dip quickly and blindly. As more investors design themselves up to do so, the dips are shallower
over time, leading to an S&P500 that never lost 3% in 2017, an historical milestone. Machine learning is another beautiful market
innovation, but what is there to learn from the time series of the last several years, if not that buy- the-dip works, irrespective
of what caused the dip. Big Data is yet another great concept, shaping the future of us all. Yet, most data ever generated in humankind
dates back three years only, in and by itself a striking limitation. The quality of the deduction cannot exceed the quality of the
time series upon which the data science was applied. If the time series is untrustworthy, as is heavily influenced by monumental
public flows ($300bn per months), what trust can we put on any model output originating from it? What pattern recognition can we
really be hopeful of getting, in the first place? May some of it just be a commercial disguise for going long, selling volatility
and leveraging up in various shapes or forms? What is hype and what is real? A short and compromised data series makes it hard, if
not possible, to really know. Once public flows abate and price discovery is let free again, then and only then will we be in a position
to know the difference.
Low volatility does what trending markets alone cannot. A state of low volatility presents the appearance of
stuporous, innocuous, narcotized markets, thus
enticing new swathes of unfitting investors in, mostly retail-type 'weak hands'. Weak hands are investors who are brought to like
investments by certain characteristics which are uncommon to the specific investment itself, such as featuring a low volatility.
It is in this form that we see bond-like investors looking at the stock market for yield pick-up purposes, magnetized by levels of
realized volatility similar to what fixed income used to provide with during the Great Moderation. It is in this form that Tech companies
out of the US have started filling the coffers of not just Growth ETF, where they should rightfully reside, but also Momentum ETF,
and even, incredibly, Low-Volatility ETF.
Low volatility is also a dominant input for Risk Parity funds and Target Volatility vehicles . The lower the volatility, the higher
the leverage allowed in such players, mechanically. All of which are long-only players, joining public flows, again helping the market
rise to record levels in the process, in circular reference. Rewarded by new inflows, the buying spree gathers momentum, in a virtuous
circle. Valuations are no real input in the process, volatility is what matters the most. Volatility is not risk, except for them
it is.
It goes further than that. It is not only the level of volatility that count, but its direction too . As volatility implodes,
relentlessly, into historical lows never seen before in history, a plethora of investment strategies is launched to capitalize on
just that, directly: Short Volatility vehicles . They are the best performing strategy of the last decade, by and large. The problem
here is that, due to construction, as volatility got to single-digit territory, relatively small spikes are now enough to trigger
wipe-out events on several of these instruments. Our analysis shows that if equity volatility doubles up from current levels (while
still being half of what it was as recently as in August 2015), certain Short Vol ETFs may stand to lose up to 75% or more. Moreover,
short positions on long-vol ETFs can lose up to 250% of capital. For some, 'termination events' are built into contracts for sudden
losses of this magnitude, meaning that the notes would be prematurely withdrawn. It is one thing to expect a spike in volatility
to cause losses, it is quite another to know that a minor move is all it takes to trigger a default event.
On such spikes in volatility, Morgan Stanley Quant Derivatives Strategy desk warns further that market makers may be forced to
rebalance their exposure non-linearly on a spike in volatility. A drop in the S&P 500 of 5% in one day may trigger approximately
$ 400mn of Vega notional of rebalancing (pag.48 here)
. We estimate that half a trillion dollars of additional selling on S&P stocks may occur following a correction of between 5% and
10%. That is a lot of selling, pre-set in markets, waiting to strike. Unless you expect the market to not have another 5% sell-off,
ever again.
What do ETFs, Risk Parity and Target Vol vehicles, Low Vol / Short Vol vehicles, trend-chasing algos, Machine Learning, behavioral
Alternative Risk Premia, factor investing have in common? Except, of course, being the 'winners take all' of QE-driven markets. They
all share one or more of the following risk factors: long-only, fully invested when not leveraged-up, short volatility, short correlation,
short gamma Thanks to QE and NIRP, the whole market is becoming one single big position.
The 'Trend Factor' and the 'Volatility Factor' are over-whelming, making it inevitable for a high- beta, long-bias, short-vol
proxy to disseminate across. Almost inescapably so, given the time series the asset management industry has to deal with, and derive
its signals from.
Several classes of investors may move to sell in lock-steps if and when markets turn. The boost to asset prices and the zero-volatility
environment created the conditions for systemic risks in the form of an over-compensation to the downside. Record-low volatility
breeds market fragility, it precedes system instability.
Flows Matter, Both Ways!
We will know soon if the fragility of markets is that bad. The undoing of loose monetary policies (NIRP, ZIRP) will create a liquidity
withdrawal of over $1 trillion in 2018 alone (pag.61-62
here) . The reaction of the passive and quasi-passive communities will determine the speed of the adjustment in the pricing for
both safe and risk assets, and how quickly risk provisions will re- enter portfolios. Such liquidity withdrawal will represent the
first real crash-test for markets in 10 years.
As public spending on Wall Street abates, the risk is evident of seeing the whole market turning with it. The shocks of Trump
and Brexit did not manage to derail markets for long, as public flows were overwhelming. Flows is what mattered, above all elusive,
over-fitting economic narratives justifying price action at the margin. Flows may matter again now as they fade
Systemic Risk is Not Just About Banks: Look at Funds
The role of trending markets is known when it comes to systemic risks: a not sufficient but necessary condition. Most trends do
not necessarily lead to systemic risks, but hardly systemic risks ever build up without a prolonged period of uptrend beforehand.
Prolonged uptrends in any asset class hold the potential to instill the perception that such asset class will grow forever, irrespective
of the fundamentals, and may thus lead to excessive risk taking, excess leverage, the formation of a bubble and, ultimately, systemic
risks. The mind goes to the asset class of real estate, its undeterred uptrend into 2006/2007, its perception of perpetuity ("we
have never had a decline in house prices on a nationwide basis''
Ben Bernanke) , the credit bubble built on banks hazardous activities on subprime mortgages as a result, and the systemic risks
which emanated, with damages spanning well beyond the borders of real estate.
The role of volatility is also well-researched, especially low volatility. Hayman Minsky, in his "
Financial Instability
Hypothesis '' in 1977, analyses the behavioral changes induced by a reduction of volatility, postulating that economic agents
observing a low risk are induced to increase risk taking, which may in turn lead to a crisis: "stability is destabilizing". In a
recent study, Jon Danielsson, Director
of the Systemic Risk Centre at the LSE, finds unambiguous support for the 'low volatility channel', insofar as prolonged periods
of low volatility have a strong predictive power over the incidence of a banking crisis, owing to excess lending and excess leverage
. The economic impact is the highest if the economy stays in the low volatility environment for five years : a 1% decrease in volatility
below its trend translates in a 1.01% increase in the probability of a crisis. He also finds that, counter-intuitively, high volatility
has little predictive power : very interesting, when the whole finance world at large is based on retrospective VAR metrics, and
equivocates high volatility for high risk.
Both a persistent trend and prolonged low-volatility can lead banks to take excessive risks. But what about their impact on the
asset management industry?
Thinking at the hard economic impact of the Great Depression (1929-1932) and the Great Recession (2007-2009), and the eminent
role played by banks in both, it comes as little surprise that the banking sector captures all the attention. However, what remains
to be looked into, and perhaps more worrying in today's environment, is the role of prolonged periods of uptrend and low-vol on the
asset management industry
In 2014, the Financial Stability Board (FSB), an international body that makes recommendations to G20 nations on financial risks,
published a consultation paper asking whether fund managers might need to be designated as " global systemically important financial
institution " or G-SIFI, a step that would involve greater regulation and oversight. It did not result in much, as the industry lobbied
in protest, emphasizing the difference between the levered balance sheet of a bank and the business of funds.
The reason for asking the question is evident: (i) sheer size , as the AM industry ballooned in the last few years, to now represent
over [15trnXX] for just the top 5 US players!, (ii) funds have partially substituted banks in certain market-making activities, as
banks dialed back their participation in response to tighter regulation and (iii) , funds can indeed do damage: think of LTCM in
1998, the fatal bailout of two Real Estate funds by Bear Stearns in 2007, the money market funds 'breaking the buck' in 2008 amongst
others.
But it is not just sheer size that matters for asset managers. What may worry more is the positive feedback loops discussed above
and the resulting concentration of bets in one single global pot , life-dependent on infinite momentum/trend and ever-falling volatility.
Positive feedback loops are the link for the sheer size of the AM industry to become systemically relevant. Today more than ever,
they morph market risks in systemic risks.
Volatility will not forever be low, the trend will not forever go: how bad a damage when it stops? As macro prudential policy
is not the art of "whether or not it will happen" but of "what happens if", it is hard not to see this as a blind spot for policymakers
nowadays.
I have never seen it this bad, the numbers are all moutof wack!
It seems many of us are drawn to a good illusion and this proves true for most people in their daily life as well. In some
ways, it could be said that our culture has become obsessed with avoiding what is real.
We must remember that politicians and those in power tend to throw people under the bus rather than rise up and take responsibility
for the problems they create. The article below looks at how we have grown to believe things are fine.
The real estate boom features all the unknowns in today's thinking, which is why they are global.
This simple equation is unknown.
Disposable income = wages – (taxes + the cost of living)
You can immediately see how high housing costs have to be covered by wages; business pays the high housing costs for expensive
housing adding to costs and reducing profits. The real estate boom raises costs to business and makes your nation uncompetitive
in a globalised world.
The unproductive lending involved that leads to financial crises.
The economy gets loaded up with unproductive lending as future spending power has been taken to inflate the value of the nation's
housing stock. Housing is more expensive and the future has been impoverished.
" banks make their profits by taking in deposits and lending the funds out at a higher rate of interest" Paul Krugman, 2015.
He wouldn't know, that's financial intermediation theory.
Bank lending creates money, which pours into the economy fuelling the boom; it is this money creation that makes the housing
boom feel so good in the general economy. It feels like there is lots of money about because there is.
The housing bust feels so bad because the opposite takes place, and money gets sucked out of the economy as the repayments
overtake new lending. It feels like there isn't much money about because there isn't.
They were known unknowns, the people that knew weren't the policymakers to whom these things were unknown.
The global economy told policymakers there was something seriously wrong in 2008, but they ignored it, I didn't.
They had pushed Greece into debt deflation by cutting Government spending with austerity.
It wasn't just the IMF, the Troika all went along with this fatally flawed policy, this means the ECB and EU Commission also
didn't know what they were doing.
Richard Koo had watched as Western "experts" told Japan to cut Government spending and seen the fall in GDP as the economy
went downhill. The only way to get things going again was to increase Government spending and he has had decades to work out what
was going on.
The Troika's bad economics has been wreaking havoc across the Club-Med.
Another superficially correct analysis of "Positive Feedback Loops create divergence from general equilibrium, and Systemic
Risks." The vicious feedback loops which have the most leverage are all aspects of the funding of the political processes, which
have resulted in runaway systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, the most important of which are the ways that
the powers of public governments enforce frauds by private banks, the big corporations that have grown up around those big banks.
About exponentially advancing technologies have enabled enforced frauds to become about exponentially more fraudulent. The
underlying drivers were the ways that the combined money/murder systems developed, whose social successfulness became more and
more based on maximizing maliciousness. From a superficial point of view, those results may appear to be due to incompetence,
however, from a deeper point of view those results make sense as due to the excessively successful applications of the methods
of organized crime through the political processes, due to the vicious feedback loops of the funding of those political processes.
The only connections between human laws and natural laws are the abilities to back up lies with violence. Natural selection
pressures have driven Globalized Neolithic Civilization to develop the most dishonest artificial selection systems possible, while
the continuation of the various vicious feedback loops that made and maintained those developments are driving about exponentially
increasing dishonesty. Although the laws of nature are not going to stop working, and the laws of nature underpinned the runaway
development of excessively successful vicious feedback loops of organized crime, on larger and larger scales, to result in Globalized
Neolithic Civilization, the overall results are that Civilization is becoming about exponentially more psychotic. Since Civilization
necessarily operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime, while those who became the biggest and best organized
forms of organized crime, namely, banker dominated governments, also necessarily became most dishonest about themselves, and yet,
their bullshit social stories continue to dominate the public schools, and mainstream mass media, as well as the publicly significant
controlled "opposition" groups.
Political economy is INSIDE human ecology, and therefore, the greatest systematic risks are to be found in the tragic trajectory
of human ecologies which are almost totally buried under maximized maliciousness. "Public debates" about the human death control
systems are based on previously having being as deceitful and treacherous as possible regarding those topics. The most extreme
forms of that manifest as the ways that money is measurement backed by murder. Of course, that the debt controls are backed by
the death controls are issues which are generally not publicly admitted nor addressed.
Global Neolithic Civilization has become almost totally based on being able to enforce frauds, in ways which have become about
exponentially more fraudulent, as the vicious feedback loops which enable that to happen automatically reinforce themselves to
get worse, faster. The almost total triumph of enforced frauds has resulted in social "realities" which are becoming exponentially
more insane, since the social successfulness of enforced frauds requires the most people do not understand that, because they
have been conditioned to not want to understand that. Rather, almost everyone takes for granted deliberately ignoring and misunderstanding
the laws of nature in the most absurdly backward ways possible, because of the long history of successful warfare based on deceits
and treacheries becoming the more recent history of successful finance based on enforcing frauds, despite that tragic trajectory
of vicious feedback loops resulting in about exponentially increasing overall fraudulence.
Various superficially correct analyses, such as the one in the article above, are typical of the content on Zero Hedge , which
does not come remotely close to recognizing the degree to which the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science have
undergone series of compromises with the biggest bullies' bullshit-based world views, which became the banksters' bullshit about
economics. Although it is theoretically possible for human beings to better understand themselves and Civilization, it continues
to become more and more politically impossible to do so, due to the ever increasing vicious feedback loops of enforced frauds
achieving symbolic robberies ...
Although the laws of nature are never going to stop working, it is barely possible to exaggerate the degree to which Civilization
overall is becoming about exponentially more psychotic, due to the social "realities" based on successfully enforcing frauds becoming
more and more out of touch with the surrounding, relatively objective, physical and biological facts. The various superficially
correct analyses presented on Zero Hedge regarding that kind of runaway collective psychosis, driven by the vicious feedback loops
of the funding of all aspects of the funding of the political processes, tend to always grossly understate the seriousness of
that situation, especially including the crucial issues of how to operate the human murder systems after the development of weapons
of mass destruction, which is unavoidable due to the rapid development of globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by
the threat of force from apes with atomic weapons.
Those who believe that possessing precious metals, or cryptocurrencies, etc., are viable solutions to those problems are not
remotely close to being in the right order of magnitude. Although there is no doubt that exponentially more "money" is being made
out of nothing as debts, in order to "pay" for strip-mining the natural resources of a still relatively fresh planet, and so,
there is no doubt that the exponentially decreasing value of that "money" is driving the accumulation of apparent anomalies, such
as outlined in the article above, the actually crucial issues continue to be the ways that money is measurement backed by murder,
as the most abstract ways that private property are claims backed by coercions. Stop-gap individual responses to the runaway fraudulence,
such as faith in possessing precious metals or cryptocurrencies, make some relative sense in terms of the public "money" supplies
becoming exponentially more fraudulent, but otherwise dismally fail to be in the ball park of the significant issues driven by
prodigious progress in physical sciences, WITHOUT any genuine progress in political sciences, other than to continue to be able
to better enforce bigger frauds, through the elaborations of oxymoronic scientific dictatorships, which adamantly refuse to become
more genuinely scientific about themselves.
Primates with about exponentially increasing physical technologies continue to deliberately ignore and misunderstand themselves
as much as is humanly possible, due to the history of warfare making and maintaining the currently existing political economy,
whose maliciousness is manifesting through runaway vicious feedback loops, whereby the excessively successful control of Civilization
through applications of the methods of organized crime are resulting in that Civilization manifesting runaway criminal insanities.
Indeed, in that context, where there is almost nothing but the central core of triumphant organized crime, namely bankster dominated
governments, surrounded by various layers of controlled "opposition" groups, which stay within the same bullshit-based frames
of reference regarding those phenomena, the overall situation is that society becoming about exponentially sicker and insane.
That Civilization has been driven by natural selection pressures to manifest runaway psychoses is not going to stop the laws
of nature from continuing to work through that Civilization. However, that will nevertheless drive the currently dominate artificial
selection systems to become increasingly psychotic, in ways whereby their vicious feedback loops are less and less able to be
sanely responded to ... Although some human beings have better and better understood some general energy systems, e.g., electric
and atomic energy, etc., since warfare was the oldest and best developed forms of social science and engineering, whose successfulness
was based on being able to maximize maliciousness, and since those then enabled successful finance to become based on runaway
enforced frauds, human beings living within Globalized Neolithic Civilization are so hidebound by adapting to living inside those
vicious feedback loops based on being able to enforce frauds that those human beings are mostly unwilling and unable to better
understand themselves as also manifestations of general energy systems.
As the report, embedded in the article, begins by quoting Leonardo da Vinci:
"Learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else."
In general, "Asset Managers" are stuck inside taking for granted that everything they do has become almost totally based
on being able to enforce frauds, despite some of them noticing the increasingly blatant ways that there are accumulating apparent
anomalies in those systems, as vicious feedback loops drive those systems to become about exponentially more fraudulent, and therefore
increasingly unbalanced. To come to better terms with those apparent anomalies requires going through series of intellectual scientific
revolutions and profound paradigm shifts, which overall become ways that human beings better understand themselves as manifestations
of general energy systems. However, since doing so requires recognizing how and why governments are necessarily the biggest forms
of organized crime, dominated by the best organized gangsters, the banksters, it continues to be politically impossible to accomplish
that.
At each open, algos compute the increase in their AUM from the prior day and their margin reach. They then begin buying.
All algos do this. Buying whenever cash/margin exists; selling whenever profit targets exist. On pullbacks, the algos withdraw,
volume evaporates, minimizing the drop. The algos collectively increase equity prices without consideration of the value of the
money involved. Not valuations. No fundamentals. Just ones and zeroes. Just a program.
"... Well, again, what he was doing was running a program of a certain scale, of a large scale, through a set of standard macroeconomic assumptions. And that, again, is a reasonable exercise. If you ask me what my personal view is, I've written a whole book called The End of Normal in which I lay out reasons for my chronic pessimism about the capacity of the world economy to absorb a great deal more rapid economic growth. ..."
"... But that's not in the standard models, and it would not be appropriate to layer that on to a forecast of this kind. What Friedman was criticized for was not for putting his thumb on the scale, but for failing to put his thumb on the scale. In fact, that was the reasonable thing to do ..."
"... So what we had here was a, what was essentially an academic exercise that produced a result that was highly favorable to the Sanders position, and showed that if you did an ambitious program you would get a strong growth response. It's reasonable, certainly, for the first three or four years that that would transpire in practice. And what happened was that people who didn't like that result politically jumped on it in a way which was, frankly speaking, professionally irresponsible, in my view. It was designed to convey the impression, which it succeeded in doing for a brief while through the broad media, that this was not a reputable exercise, and that there were responsible people on one side of the debate, and irresponsible people on the other. ..."
"... The true nature of Capitalism has obviously been forgotten over time. Today we think it brings prosperity to all, but that was certainly never the intention. Today's raw Capitalism is showing its true nature with ever rising inequality. Capitalism is essentially the same as every other social system since the dawn of civilization. The lower and middle classes do all the work and the upper, leisure Class, live in the lap of luxury. The lower class does the manual work; the middle class does the administrative and managerial work and the upper, leisure, class live a life of luxury and leisure. ..."
"... The nature of the Leisure Class, to which the benefits of every system accrue, was studied over 100 years ago. "The Theory of the Leisure Class: An Economic Study of Institutions", by Thorstein Veblen. (The Wikipedia entry gives a good insight. It was written a long time ago but much of it is as true today as it was then. This is the source of the term conspicuous consumption.) We still have our leisure class in the UK, the Aristocracy, and they have been doing very little for centuries. The UK's aristocracy has seen social systems come and go, but they all provide a life of luxury and leisure and with someone else doing all the work. ..."
"... Feudalism – exploit the masses through land ownership. Capitalism – exploit the masses through wealth (Capital) ..."
"... Now the competition has gone, the US middle class is being wiped out. The US is going third world, with just rich and poor and no middle class. Raw Capitalism can only return Capitalism to its true state where there is little demand and those at the bottom live a life of bare subsistence. ..."
"... "The Marxian capitalist has infinite shrewdness and cunning on everything except matters pertaining to his own ultimate survival. On these, he is not subject to education. He continues wilfully and reliably down the path to his own destruction" ..."
"... "We came, we saw, he died" rinse and repeat for 5,000 years. ..."
"... By the 1920s, mass production techniques had improved to such an extent that relatively wealthy consumers were required to purchase all the output the system could produce and extensive advertising was required to manufacture demand for the chronic over-supply the Capitalist system could produce. ..."
"... They knew that if wealth concentrated too much there would not be enough demand. ..."
"... Fiscal conservatism, which champions a balanced budget and expenditure restraints, is often hailed as a politico-economic philosophy as well as a policy of financial responsibility. In practice, it has been used as an argument against free spending by governments which can lead to high levels of debt and inflation. It has not been a positive philosophy which advocates the pro-growth and stability benefits coming from balanced budgets. Rather, it is a negative one – reacting against excessive spending and its consequences. This is probably why modern examples of fiscal conservatism in the United States and the United Kingdom have not led to sustainable growth or a significant reduction in public debt. Instead, in the case of the Ronald Reagan era in the US in the 1980s, public debt soared as fiscal conservatism and other policies were abandoned. ..."
"... Galbraith is probably my favorite economist, and eminently reasonable here. It makes me think that Sanders should have used him, or someone like him as an adviser/in house economist, rather than relying on external analyses like Friedman. ..."
"... Is the American public, trained/indoctrinated to think of the USG budget in terms of a household budget analogy, ready for MMT? ..."
"... To me, too many of the supposed (and actual) intellectuals and high level advisers were experts in rationalizing and explaining the chosen party views, but still employed the Cato Institute suggestion to use "Leninist" propaganda techniques as put forth in the 1996 Newt Gingrich/Frank Luntz GoPac memo, "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control." ..."
"... Galbraith said casually about the thesis of his new book: This really is the new normal for capitalism – meaning low growth – because there is not much growth left. ..."
PERIES: James, the Council of Economic Advisors, they put out economic forecasts each year. And there has been some wildly
optimistic ones. For example, if you look at the 2010 predictions for 2012 and 2013 they have not quite been attained. And one would
say it was done in the interest of trying to make the administration that they were serving more impressive. But what accounts for
this particular attack on Friedman's projection and other fellow economists?
GALBRAITH: This was a classic case of professional bad manners and rank-pulling. What we had here were four former chairs
of the president's Council of Economic Advisors, and two from President Obama, two from President Clinton, who decided to use their
big names and their titles in order to launch an attack on a professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts who had written
a paper evaluating the Sanders economic program.
It's likely that the four bigwigs thought that Professor Friedman was a Bernie Sanders supporter. In fact, as of that time he
was a Hillary Clinton supporter and a modest donor to her campaign. What he had done was simply to write his evaluation of the economic
effects of the ambitious Sanders reform program. The four former council chairs announced that on the basis of their deep commitment
to rigor and objectivity, they had discovered that this forecast was unrealistic. And what I pointed out was that that claim was
based on no evidence and no analysis whatsoever. And when you pressed down on it you found that it was simply based on the obvious
fact that we haven't seen the kinds of growth rates that Professor Friedman's analysis suggested the Sanders program would produce.
And for a very simple reason: the Sanders program is bigger. It's more ambitious than anything we've seen in recent years, so it's
not surprising that when you put it through a model it generates a higher growth rate.
So that was the basic underlying facts, and these guys, two men and two women, announced that they, that it was a disreputable
study, but failed to present any analysis that suggested they'd actually even read the paper before they denounced it. And that's
what I pointed out in my counter letter, in a number of articles that have appeared since.
PERIES: James, so in your letter, how do you counter them? What methods did you use to come to your conclusions?
GALBRAITH: Well, I, no need to say anything beyond the fact that I had looked in their letter for the rigor that they were
so proud of, for the objectivity and the analysis that they were so proud of, and I'd found that they had not done any. They had
not made any such claim, not done any such work.
So that began to provoke a discussion. It's fair to say ultimately, without apologizing for effectively launching an ad hominem
attack on an independent academic researcher, one of the former chairs, Christina Romer of President Obama's council, and her husband
David Romer, a fellow economist, did produce a paper in which they spelled out their differences with the, with the Friedman paper.
But that, again, raised another set of interesting issues which we've continued to discuss at various, various outlets of the press.
PERIES: Now, James Friedman's claim that the growth rate from Sanders' plan to be around 5.3 percent. And some economists,
including Dean Baker at the Center for Economic Policy and Research, have claimed that this is unrealistic. What do you make of that?
GALBRAITH: Well, the question is whether it is an effect, let's say, a reasonable projection, of putting the Sanders program
into an economic model. And the answer to that question, yes, Professor Friedman did a reasonable job. He spelled out what the underlying
assumptions that he was using were. He spelled out the basic rules of thumb that macroeconomists had used for decades to assess the
effects of an economic program. In this case, an expansionary economic program. And he ran them through his model and reported the
results, a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Now, one can be skeptical. And I am, and Dean Baker is, lots of people are skeptical that the world would work out quite that
way, because lots of things, in fact, happen which are not accounted for in a model. And we've talked, we've basically put together
a list of things that you think might be problematic. But the exercise here was not to put everything into paper that might happen
in the world. The exercise was to take the kind of bare bones that economists use to assess and to compare the consequences of alternative
programs, and to ask what kind of results do you get out? And that's what, again, what Jerry Friedman did. It was a reasonable exercise,
he came up with a reasonable answer, and he reported it.
PERIES: Now, Friedman seems to think that the rate of full employment in 1999 is attainable. However, many labor economists
seem to think that the larger share of the elderly currently in society compared to 1999 explains some of the lack of labor participation,
which creates a lower full employment ceiling that's contradicting Friedman's report. Your thoughts on that?
GALBRAITH: Well, I think it is a fact that the population is getting older. But as, I think, any economist would tell you,
that when you offer jobs in the labor market, the first thing that happens is the people who are looking for work take those jobs.
The second thing that happens is that people who might look for work when jobs were available start coming back into the labor market.
And if that is not enough to fill the vacancies that you have, it's perfectly open to employers to raise their wages so as to bring
more people in, or to increase the pace at which they innovate and substitute technology for labor so that they don't need the work.
So there's no real crisis involved in the situation if it turns out five years from now we're at 3.5 percent unemployment, and
they were beginning to run short of labor. That's not a reason to, at this stage, say no, we're not going to engage in the exercise
and run a more expansionary, vigorous reform program, a vigorous infrastructure project, a major reform of healthcare, a tuition-free
public education program. All of those things, which were part of what Friedman put into his paper, should be done anyway. The fact
that the labor market forecast might prove to have some different, the labor market might have different characteristics in five
years' time is from our present point of view just a, it's an academic or a theoretical proposition, purely.
PERIES: And Friedman's paper, he looks at a ten-year forecast. Did you feel that when you looked at the specifics of that,
including college, universal healthcare, infrastructure spending and of course, expanding Social Security and so on, that those categories
and his predictions or projections, rather, made sense to you?
GALBRAITH:Well, again, what he was doing was running a program of a certain scale, of a large scale, through a set
of standard macroeconomic assumptions. And that, again, is a reasonable exercise. If you ask me what my personal view is, I've written
a whole book called The End of Normal in which I lay out reasons for my chronic pessimism about the capacity of the world economy
to absorb a great deal more rapid economic growth.
But that's not in the standard models, and it would not be appropriate to layer that on to a forecast of this kind. What Friedman
was criticized for was not for putting his thumb on the scale, but for failing to put his thumb on the scale. In fact, that was the
reasonable thing to do.
On the contrary, and on the other side, when Christina and David Romer did put out their forecast, their own criticism of the
Friedman paper, they concluded by asserting that if this program were tried, inflation would soar. So they there were making an allegation
for which, again, they had no evidence and no plausible model, that in the world in which we presently live would produce that result.
So what we had here was a, what was essentially an academic exercise that produced a result that was highly favorable to the
Sanders position, and showed that if you did an ambitious program you would get a strong growth response. It's reasonable, certainly,
for the first three or four years that that would transpire in practice. And what happened was that people who didn't like that result
politically jumped on it in a way which was, frankly speaking, professionally irresponsible, in my view. It was designed to convey
the impression, which it succeeded in doing for a brief while through the broad media, that this was not a reputable exercise, and
that there were responsible people on one side of the debate, and irresponsible people on the other.
And that was, again, something that–an impression that could be conveyed through the mass media, but would not withstand scrutiny,
and didn't withstand scrutiny, once a few of us stood up and started saying, okay, where's your evidence, on what are you basing
this argument? And revealed the point, which the Romers implicitly conceded, and I give them credit for that, that in order to criticize
a fellow economist you need to do some work.
The true nature of Capitalism has obviously been forgotten over time. Today we think it brings prosperity to all, but that
was certainly never the intention. Today's raw Capitalism is showing its true nature with ever rising inequality. Capitalism is
essentially the same as every other social system since the dawn of civilization. The lower and middle classes do all the work
and the upper, leisure Class, live in the lap of luxury. The lower class does the manual work; the middle class does the administrative
and managerial work and the upper, leisure, class live a life of luxury and leisure.
The nature of the Leisure Class, to which the benefits of every system accrue, was studied over 100 years ago. "The Theory
of the Leisure Class: An Economic Study of Institutions", by Thorstein Veblen. (The Wikipedia entry gives a good insight. It was
written a long time ago but much of it is as true today as it was then. This is the source of the term conspicuous consumption.)
We still have our leisure class in the UK, the Aristocracy, and they have been doing very little for centuries. The UK's aristocracy
has seen social systems come and go, but they all provide a life of luxury and leisure and with someone else doing all the work.
Feudalism – exploit the masses through land ownership. Capitalism – exploit the masses through wealth (Capital)
Today this is done through the parasitic, rentier trickle up of Capitalism:
a) Those with excess capital invest it and collect interest, dividends and rent.
b) Those with insufficient capital borrow money and pay interest and rent.
All this was much easier to see in Capitalism's earlier days.
Malthus and Ricardo never saw those at the bottom rising out of a bare subsistence living. This was the way it had always been
and always would be, the benefits of the system only accrue to those at the top.
It was very obvious to Adam Smith:
"The Labour and time of the poor is in civilised countries sacrificed to the maintaining of the rich in ease and luxury. The
Landlord is maintained in idleness and luxury by the labour of his tenants. The moneyed man is supported by his extractions from
the industrious merchant and the needy who are obliged to support him in ease by a return for the use of his money. But every
savage has the full fruits of his own labours; there are no landlords, no usurers and no tax gatherers."
Like most classical economists he differentiated between "earned" and "unearned" wealth and noted how the wealthy maintained
themselves in idleness and luxury via "unearned", rentier income from their land and capital.
We can no longer see the difference between the productive side of the economy and the unproductive, parasitic, rentier side.
This is probably why inequality is rising so fast, the mechanisms by which the system looks after those at the top are now hidden
from us.
In the 19th Century things were still very obvious.
1) Those at the top were very wealthy
2) Those lower down lived in grinding poverty, paid just enough to keep them alive to work with as little time off as possible.
3) Slavery
4) Child Labour
Immense wealth at the top with nothing trickling down, just like today.
This is what Capitalism maximized for profit looks like. Labour costs are reduced to the absolute minimum to maximise profit.
The beginnings of regulation to deal with the wealthy UK businessman seeking to maximise profit, the abolition of slavery and
child labour. The function of the system is still laid bare. The lower class does the manual work; the middle class does the administrative
and managerial work and the upper, leisure, class live a life of luxury and leisure. The majority only got a larger slice of the
pie through organised Labour movements.
By the 1920s, mass production techniques had improved to such an extent that relatively wealthy consumers were required to
purchase all the output the system could produce and extensive advertising was required to manufacture demand for the chronic
over-supply the Capitalist system could produce. They knew that if wealth concentrated too much there would not be enough demand.
In the 1950s, when Capitalism had healthy competition, it was essential that the Capitalist system could demonstrate that it was
better than the competition. The US was able to demonstrate the superior lifestyle it offered to its average citizens.
Now the competition has gone, the US middle class is being wiped out. The US is going third world, with just rich and poor
and no middle class. Raw Capitalism can only return Capitalism to its true state where there is little demand and those at the
bottom live a life of bare subsistence.
When you realise the true nature of Capitalism, you know why some kind of redistribution is necessary and strong progressive
taxation is the only way a consumer society can ever be kept functioning.
A good quote from John Kenneth Galbraith's book "The Affluent Society", which in turn comes from Marx.
"The Marxian capitalist has infinite shrewdness and cunning on everything except matters pertaining to his own ultimate
survival. On these, he is not subject to education. He continues wilfully and reliably down the path to his own destruction"
Marx made some mistakes but he got quite a lot right.
Perhaps, Western civilization had already cultivated and concentrated psychopathic personality traits in its elite before Capitalism
ever begun. Early European history is an endless procession of wars at home and abroad as the elite took their wealth by force
and the masses were kept in check by force whenever necessary.
No peaceful group could ever survive this relentless onslaught of millennia. This psychopathic elite then took their warlike
ways to every corner of the earth. The wealthy elite from this era then became the wealthy elite of the next Capitalist era. Even
today their bloodlust cannot be sated as they look to control a global empire.
Certainly countless hundreds of peaceful, responsible, inclusive, open, empathetic indigenous societies have been co-opted/overthrown
by the western model.
Yes, but it's not just the western model that overthrows peaceful societies. The empires of China, the Japanese monarchies,
the empires of India (together with a cringeworthy caste system), the human sacrificing Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas, all prove that
tyranny is not a western invention.
When a local population becomes too large to be supported by simple egalitarian hunting and gathering, something else is required.
That something is agriculture, and almost inevitably, the organization, specialization, and partial urbanization required by large
scale agricultural society leads to exploitation and tyranny. This is seen in the earliest societies for which we have a written
record, Sumer and Egypt.
Thanks for the explanations of Veblen and Galbraith, which I find enduring basics over more than 100 years of speculation,
real investment, and the best way to keep consumer society healthy.
My unschooled, simple, way to measure the health of an economy is in the Velocity of Money in the real economy of useful products
and services. It appears to be very far below where it was when we did our best, and lower than when we first started measuring
it near the beginning of the Great Depression.
By the 1920s, mass production techniques had improved to such an extent that relatively wealthy consumers were required
to purchase all the output the system could produce and extensive advertising was required to manufacture demand for the chronic
over-supply the Capitalist system could produce.
They knew that if wealth concentrated too much there would not be enough demand.
Of course the Capitalists could never find it in themselves to raise wages and it took the New Deal and Keynesian thinking
to usher in the consumer society.
Fiscal conservatism, which champions a balanced budget and expenditure restraints, is often hailed as a politico-economic
philosophy as well as a policy of financial responsibility. In practice, it has been used as an argument against free spending
by governments which can lead to high levels of debt and inflation. It has not been a positive philosophy which advocates the
pro-growth and stability benefits coming from balanced budgets. Rather, it is a negative one – reacting against excessive spending
and its consequences. This is probably why modern examples of fiscal conservatism in the United States and the United Kingdom
have not led to sustainable growth or a significant reduction in public debt. Instead, in the case of the Ronald Reagan era in
the US in the 1980s, public debt soared as fiscal conservatism and other policies were abandoned.
A Monetarily Sovereign government does not need to reduce debt. In the U.S. (which is Monetarily Sovereign) federal so-called
"debt" is actually the total of deposits in T-security accounts at the Federal Reserve Bank. In short, "debt" is bank deposits.
Why anyone would want to reduce the size of deposits at the world's safest bank is a mystery to me - other than the misleading
use of the word "debt."
While all bank accounts are, in fact, debt of banks, most banks boast about the size of their depositors' accounts.
Contrary to popular myth, federal debt (i.e. deposits at the FRB) does not lead to inflation. America's "debt" has grown more
than 9,000% in the past 75 years, and the Fed is struggling to create inflation.
Galbraith is probably my favorite economist, and eminently reasonable here. It makes me think that Sanders should have
used him, or someone like him as an adviser/in house economist, rather than relying on external analyses like Friedman. It
would possibly have given his program more gravitas – first amongst elites, and then more generally. At least it would have had
a chance of changing the broader discussion. Whether you agree with it or not, right now the general MSM reporting on the Sanders
plan is that it doesn't add up.
This is speculative, but since Prof. Kelton is actually the economist for the Minority (the Democrats) of the Senate Banking
committee, there may be reasons of protocol that Sanders isn't using her policy ideas at the moment.
Another possibility is that trying to introduce a new economic paradigm while running for the nomination may be a bridge too
far. If Sanders tried to explain to people that taxes don't fund federal spending, etc., heads would explode.
I'm also not sure how one would use Prof. Kelton's ideas without bringing in a whole bunch of MMT concepts. Maybe if Sanders
wins the nomination he can begin to bring some of these ideas into the conversation.
He won't use her ideas simple because the American voter in not yet amenable to the facts of
Monetary Sovereignty .
Try explaining even to your best friend that:
1. Unlike state and local taxes, Federal taxes do not fund federal spending.
2. Even if FICA were eliminated, Social Security and Medicare benefits dramatically could (and should) be increased. There are
no federal "trust funds."
3. Federal deficits are necessary for economic growth
4. Federal "debt" is nothing more than deposits in T-security accounts at the Federal Reserve Bank.
5. America never has had, and is absolutely in no danger of, hyper-inflation.
Perhaps, if Bernie wins the election, he will be freer to educate the masses, as well as the economics community, but meanwhile
he has to claim the popular myth that federal spending has to be "paid for" by taxes.
Is the American public, trained/indoctrinated to think of the USG budget in terms of a household budget analogy, ready
for MMT? I think it's politically OK to use MMT informed policies–"deficits don't matter"–as the Republicans have, but not
OK to openly acknowledge doing so. MMT runs head on into bedrock beliefs like the protestant moral virtues of thrift and fiscal
responsibility. People cling to this stuff as tightly as they cling to their religion and guns.
MMT is a volatile, explosive doctrine. Tell an ordinary off-the-street taxpayer that Federal taxes don't fund Federal expenditures,
that Federal taxes destroy the money they collect and so keep inflation at desired levels, and ready yourself to answer this:
"If I'm just paying taxes so the money can be burned, why should I pay taxes? What good does paying taxes for that do me,
or people like me?"
And be prepared not to have your answer heard, comprehended, or accepted, after it is given.
It could lead directly and quickly to the end of a system of tax collection based on voluntary compliance. It could ignite
a revolution.
MMT is an unpopular doctrine. Whether it is the true theory, or a truer theory than others, of the state of the world–is not
the point.
She can't. She's his staffer (on the Senate Budget Committee) so she is now allowed to work on the campaign. It would be a
big ethics violation and would produce a scandal. Staffers cannot work on any of their bosses campaigns, including re-elections.
Remember, they are government employees, not on Sanders' personal payroll.
My old party has worked hard to try discredit James Galbraith. I was faced with some ridicule from a Bush era international
negotiator for trying to read "The Predator State: How Conservatives Abandoned the Free Market and Why Liberals Should Too" in
an airport waiting area.
To me, too many of the supposed (and actual) intellectuals and high level advisers were experts in rationalizing and explaining
the chosen party views, but still employed the Cato Institute suggestion to use "Leninist" propaganda techniques as put forth
in the 1996 Newt Gingrich/Frank Luntz GoPac memo, "Language: A Key Mechanism of Control."
I don't oppose them (at that level) expressing their well thought out views, even using the "persuasive" techniques described
in the document at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm
but I do fault them for trying to prevent people from freely exploring far more comprehensive information and views.
We left the party ancestors had founded and stayed loyal to for 5 generations, though, because of the lower level dirty tricksters
("opposition researchers") that wanted us to corrupt the processes as one fund raiser told me, "We have to fight dirtier than
Democrats."
Galbraith is a voice that must be listened to, just as there may be many others that we should be able to listen to (as I assume
we could have under the old "Fairness Doctrine" before the corporate take over of almost all fully accessible media).
stg Galbraith said casually about the thesis of his new book: This really is the new normal for capitalism – meaning low
growth – because there is not much growth left. So maybe we are headed for a no growth world in which stability and sustainability
dictate enterprise which is used to maintain a steady state – so that sounds more socialist than capitalist out of necessity.
I believe this is our future too. And I think I understand Varoufakis' and Galbraith's "modest proposal" in a clearer light because
growth must be used going forward not willy-nilly, but to achieve our ends. And also too – a while back the link that effectively
said we had it backwards when we assume that capitalism supports socialism – because capitalism in reality lives off and is only
possible under sufficient socialism. And it seems the 4 presidential advisors are more out to lunch than their letter showed.
Can't respond to all the nonsense. I just read Wolfer's piece and it seems to miss the point (as with the Romers), as noted
in the following 2 articles. I especially recommend the 2nd one from John Cassidy in the New Yorker.
as usual, i hear a lot "they" failed conservatism, never, Conservatism is just the age old avenue to "scam" the other. Bush
"failed" at conservatism, i.e., it was Bush's fault not the ideology of Conservatism. on and on, this self repeated/reinforced
"idea" that we have just not "found" the correct "application" of the ideal/reality that is Conservatism.
it does get old, too. all the people killed due to Conservatism and its' perpetrators. Greed, in other words, and the age old
scam with "new and improved" tactics. These people have no concept of what "society" is, why we are all interrelated. to scam
one is to scam us all. and these people are definitely not Christian in the "Jesus Christ" i've always heard about. Whatsoever
you do unto the poor, you do unto me!
i just suppose psychopaths use any avenue for their "crimes." as i've heard, too, any great fortune is usually the result of
a great crime.
"... "President Trump instructed [his generals] in a very open way that the YPG will no longer be given weapons. He openly said
that this absurdity should have ended much earlier ," Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told reporters after the phone call. ..."
"... The YPG is the Syrian sister organization of the Turkish-Kurdish terror group PKK. Some weapons the U.S. had delivered to the
YPK in Syria to fight the Islamic State have been recovered from PKK fighters in Turkey who were out to kill Turkish security personal.
Despite that, supply for the YPG continued. In total over 3,500 truckloads were provided to it by the U.S. military. Only recently the
YPK received some 120 armored Humvees , mine clearance vehicles and other equipment. ..."
"... The generals in the White House and other parts of the administration were caught flat-footed by the promise Trump has made.
The Washington Post writes : "Initially, the administration's national security team appeared surprised by the Turks' announcement and
uncertain what to say about it. The State Department referred questions to the White House, and hours passed with no confirmation from
the National Security Council." ..."
"... The U.S. military uses the YPG as proxy power in Syria to justify and support its occupation of north-east Syria, The intent
of the occupation is , for now, to press the Syrian government into agreeing to a U.S. controlled "regime change": ..."
"... When in 2014 the U.S. started to use Kurds in Syria as its foot-soldiers, it put the YPG under the mantle of the so called
Syrian Democratic Forces and paid some Syrian Arabs to join and keep up the subterfuge. This helped to counter the Turkish argument
that the U.S. was arming and supporting terrorists. But in May 2017 the U.S. announced to arm the YPG directly without the cover of
the SDF. The alleged purpose was to eliminate the Islamic State from the city of Raqqa. ..."
"... A spokesperson of the SDF, the ethnic Turkman Talaf Silo, recently defected and went over to the Turkish side. The Turkish
government is certainly well informed about the SDF and knows that its political and command structure is dominated by the YPK. The
whole concept is a sham. ..."
"... Sometimes it's hard to see if Trump actually believed what he was saying about foreign policy on the campaign trail -- but
either way it doesn't matter much as he seems incapable of navigating the labyrinth of the Deep State even if he had in independent
thought in his head. I don't expect US weapons to stop making their way into Kurdish hands as they try to extend their mini-Israel-with-oil
foothold in Syria. But it would certainly be a welcome sight if the US left Syria alone for once! ..."
"... Trump personally sent General Flynn to recruit back Erdogan and the Turks right before the election. Flynn wrote his now infamous
editorial "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support" and published in "The Hill". http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support
..."
"... But if you know the role he played for Trump in the campaign and then the post-election role as soon to be NSC advisor, you
will see that Trump was sending him to bring Turkey back into the fold after the coup attempt by CIA, Gulen and Turkey's AF and US State
Dept failed. ..."
"... Trump wanted to prevent the Turkish Stream. It was a huge rival to his LNG strategy. All these are why Flynn did what he did
for Trump. Now Trump has to battle CIA and State, as well as the CENTCOM-Israeli plans for insurgencies in Syria. It's not just the
Kurd issue or the other needs of NATO to hold the bases in Turkey. It's the whole southwest containment of Russian gas and Russian naval
power, and the reality of sharing the Mediterranean as well as MENA with the Bear. ..."
"... Furthermore, I've always been suspicious of Erdogan's 'turn' toward Russia. Many have suspected that the attempted coup was
staged by Erdogan (with CIA help?) so as to enable Erdogan to remain in office. IMO Erdogan joined the 'Assad must go!' effort not just
because he benefited from the oil trade but because he leans toward Sunnis (Surely he was aware of the thinking that: the road to Tehran
runs through Damascus .) ..."
President Trump is attempting to calm down the U.S.
conflict with Turkey . The
military junta in the White House has different
plans. It now attempts to circumvent the decision the president communicated to his Turkish counterpart. The result will be more
Turkish-U.S. acrimony.
Yesterday the Turkish foreign minister surprisingly
announced a phone call
President Trump had held with President Erdogan of Turkey.
United States President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan spoke on the phone on Nov. 24 only days after
a Russia-Turkey-Iran summit on Syria, with Ankara saying that Washington has pledged not to send weapons to the People's Protection
Units (YPG) any more .
"President Trump instructed [his generals] in a very open way that the YPG will no longer be given weapons. He openly said
that this absurdity should have ended much earlier ," Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told reporters after the phone call.
Will be speaking to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey this morning about bringing peace to the mess that I inherited
in the Middle East. I will get it all done, but what a mistake, in lives and dollars (6 trillion), to be there in the first place!
12:04 PM - 24 Nov 2017
During the phone call Trump must have escaped his minders for a moment and promptly tried to make, as announced, peace with Erdogan.
The issue of arming the YPG is really difficult for Turkey to swallow. Ending that would probably make up for the
recent NATO blunder of presenting the founder of modern Turkey Kemal Atatürk and Erdogan himself as enemies.
The YPG is the Syrian sister organization of the Turkish-Kurdish terror group PKK. Some weapons the U.S. had delivered to
the YPK in Syria to fight the Islamic State have been
recovered from PKK fighters in Turkey who were out to kill Turkish security personal. Despite that, supply for the YPG continued.
In total over
3,500 truckloads
were provided to it by the U.S. military. Only recently the YPK received
some 120 armored Humvees ,
mine clearance vehicles and other equipment.
The generals in the White House and other parts of the administration were caught flat-footed by the promise Trump has made.
The Washington Post
writes : "Initially, the administration's national security team appeared surprised by the Turks' announcement and uncertain
what to say about it. The State Department referred questions to the White House, and hours passed with no confirmation from the
National Security Council."
The White House finally released what the Associated Presscalled :
a cryptic statement about the phone call that said Trump had informed the Turk of "pending adjustments to the military support
provided to our partners on the ground in Syria."
Neither a read-out of the call nor the statement AP refers to are currently available on the White House website.
The U.S. military uses the YPG as proxy power in Syria to justify and support
its
occupation of north-east Syria, The intent of the occupation is , for now,
to press the Syrian government into agreeing to a U.S. controlled "regime change":
U.S. officials have said they plan to keep American troops in northern Syria -- and continue working with Kurdish fighters --
to pressure Assad to make concessions during peace talks brokered by the United Nations in Geneva, stalemated for three years
now. "We're not going to just walk away right now," Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said last week.
To solidify its position the U.S. needs to further build up and strengthen its YPG mercenary forces.
When in 2014 the U.S. started to use Kurds in Syria as its foot-soldiers, it put the YPG under the mantle of the so called
Syrian Democratic Forces and paid some Syrian Arabs to join and keep up the subterfuge. This helped to counter the Turkish argument
that the U.S. was arming and supporting terrorists. But in May 2017 the U.S.
announced
to arm the YPG directly without the cover of the SDF. The alleged purpose was to eliminate the Islamic State from the city of Raqqa.
The YPG had been unwilling to fight for the Arab city unless the U.S. would provide it with more money, military supplies and
support. All were provided. The U.S. special forces, who control the YPG fighters, directed an immense amount of aerial and artillery
ammunition against the city. Any potential enemy position was destroyed by large ammunition and intense bombing before the YPG infantry
proceeded. In the end few YPG fighters died in the fight. The Islamic State was let go or eliminated from the city but
so was the city of Raqqa . The intensity
of the bombardment of the medium size city was at times ten
times greater than the bombing in all of Afghanistan. Airwarsreported :
Since June, an estimated 20,000 munitions were fired in support of Coalition operations at Raqqa . Images captured by journalists
in the final days of the assault show a city in ruins
Several thousand civilians were killed in the indiscriminate onslaught.
The Islamic State in Syria and Iraq is defeated. It no longer holds any ground. There is no longer any justification to further
arm and supply the YPG or the dummy organization SDF.
But the generals want to continue to do so to further their larger plans. They are laying grounds to circumvent their president's
promise. The Wall Street Journal seems to be the only outlet to
pick up on the subterfuge:
President Donald Trump's administration is preparing to stop sending weapons directly to Kurdish militants battling Islamic State
in Syria, dealing a political blow to the U.S.'s most reliable ally in the civil war, officials said Friday.
...
The Turkish announcement came as a surprise in Washington, where military and political officials in Mr. Trump's administration
appeared to be caught off-guard. U.S. military officials said they had received no new guidance about supplying weapons to the
Kurdish forces. But they said there were no immediate plans to deliver any new weapons to the group. And the U.S. can continue
to provide the Kurdish forces with arms via the umbrella Syrian militant coalition
The "military officials" talking to the WSJ have found a way to negate Trump's promise. A spokesperson of the SDF, the ethnic
Turkman Talaf Silo, recently
defected and went over to the Turkish side. The Turkish government is certainly well informed about the SDF and knows that its
political and command structure is dominated by the YPK. The whole concept is a sham.
But the U.S. needs the YPG to keep control of north-east Syria. It has to continue to provide whatever the YPG demands, or it
will have to give up its larger scheme against Syria.
The Turkish government will soon find out that the U.S. again tried to pull wool over its eyes. Erdogan will be furious when he
discovers that the U.S. continues to supply war material to the YPG, even when those deliveries are covered up as supplies for the
SDF.
The Turkish government released
a photograph showing
Erdogan and five of his aids taking Trump's phonecall. Such a release and the announcement of the call by the Turkish foreign minister
are very unusual. Erdogan is taking prestige from the call and the public announcement is to make sure that Trump sticks to his promise.
This wide publication will also increase Erdogan's wrath when he finds out that he was again deceived.
Posted by b on November 25, 2017 at 12:14 PM |
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Sometimes it's hard to see if Trump actually believed what he was saying about foreign policy on the campaign trail -- but
either way it doesn't matter much as he seems incapable of navigating the labyrinth of the Deep State even if he had in independent
thought in his head. I don't expect US weapons to stop making their way into Kurdish hands as they try to extend their mini-Israel-with-oil
foothold in Syria. But it would certainly be a welcome sight if the US left Syria alone for once!
Some
interpret this act on Election eve as a pecuniary fulfillment by Flynn of a lobbying contract (which existed).
But if you know the role he played for Trump in the campaign and then the post-election role as soon to be NSC advisor,
you will see that Trump was sending him to bring Turkey back into the fold after the coup attempt by CIA, Gulen and Turkey's AF
and US State Dept failed.
Flynn understood the crucial need for US and NATO to hold Turkey and prevent the Russians from getting Erdogan as an ally for
Syria and the Black Sea, the Balkans and Mediterranean as well as Iran, Qatar and Eurasia. Look at what has transpired between
Turkey and Russia since. Gas will be flowing through the Turkish Stream and Erdogan conforms to Putin's wishes.
Trump wanted to prevent the Turkish Stream. It was a huge rival to his LNG strategy. All these are why Flynn did what he
did for Trump. Now Trump has to battle CIA and State, as well as the CENTCOM-Israeli plans for insurgencies in Syria. It's not
just the Kurd issue or the other needs of NATO to hold the bases in Turkey. It's the whole southwest containment of Russian gas
and Russian naval power, and the reality of sharing the Mediterranean as well as MENA with the Bear.
Flynn was on it for Trump. And the IC and State want him prosecuted for defying their efforts to replace Erdogan with a stooge
like Gulen. It looks like Mueller is pursuing that against the General.
Its not a problem for US to drop Kurds if they are no longer needed, BUT for now they are essential for US/Israel/Saudi goals,
therefore you can bet 100% Kurds support will continue. Trump's order (he hasn't made it official either) will be easily circumvented.
The real question is, what Resistance will do with the backstabbing Kurds? It wont be easy to make a deal while Kurds
maintain absurd demands and as long as they have full Axis of Terror support.
Go Iraq's way like they reclaimed Kirkuk? US might have sitten out that one, I doubt they'll allow this to happen in Syria
as well, unless they get something in return.
While America's standard duplicity of saying one thing while doing the opposite has been known for decades, they have been able
to play games mainly because of the weakness of the other actors in the region.
The tables have turned now, but America still thinks it holds top dog position.
Wordplay, semantics and legal loopholes wont be tolerated for very long, and when hundreds of US boots return home in body bags
a choice will have to be made - escalate, or run away.
Previous behavior dictates run away, but times have changed.
A cornered enemy is the most dangerous, and the USA has painted itself into a very small corner...
Gee. While reading B's article what got to my mind is: "Turkey is testing the ground". Whatever Trump said to Erdogan on the phone,
it seems to me that the Turks are playing a card to see how the different actors in the US that seems to follow different agendas
will react. If Turkey concludes that the US will continue to back YPG, it's split from the US and will be definitive.
Erdogan is shifting away from US/NATO. He even hinted today that he might talk to Assad. That's huge! I wouldn't be surprised
if Turkey leaves NATO sooner than later. And if it's the case, it will be a major move of a tectonic amplitude.
Trump.. "Will be speaking to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey this morning about bringing peace to the mess that I inherited
in the Middle East. I will get it all done, but what a mistake, in lives and dollars (6 trillion), to be there in the first place!"
Surely by now Erdogan must realise that whatever the US President says and promises will be circumvented by the State Department,
the Pentagon, the 17 US intel agencies (including the CIA and the NSA) and rogue individuals in these and other US government
departments and agencies, and in Congress as well (Insane McCain comes to mind)? Not to mention the fact that the Israeli government
and the pro-Israeli lobby on Capitol Hill exercise huge influence over sections of the US government.
If Erdogan hasn't figured out the schizoid behaviour of the US from past Turkish experience and the recent experience of Turkey's
neighbours (and the Ukraine is one such neighbour), he must not be receiving good information.
Though as Jean says, perhaps Erdogan is giving the US one last chance to demonstrate that it has a coherent and reliable policy
towards the Middle East.
Well, the US policy has been coherent and reliable in the last years. It enhanced local conflicts, supported both sides at
the same time but with different intensities. Whoever wins would be "our man". Old stuff since the Byzantine period. It always
takes a lot of time to prove the single actions that were done. In most cases we learn about it years later. The delay is so big
and unpleasant that quite a number of folks escapes to stupid narratives that explain everything in one step, and therefore nothing.
By the way: is the interest of Kurds to remain under the umbrella of the Syrian state but not be governed by Baath type of Arabic
nationalism illegitimate?
The Kurds (PKK basically) are only necessary to give a "face" to the force the US is trying to align in E. Syria. The "fighting"
against ISIS (if there really was any) is coming to a close. The Chiefs of ISIS have been airlifted to somewhere nearby, and the
foreign mercenary forces sent elsewhere by convoy. ALL the valuable personnel have now become "HTS2" with reversible vests. These,
plus the US special forces are the basis of a new armed anti-Syrian force. (Note that one general let slip that there are 5'000
US forces in E-Syria - not the 500 spoken of in the MSM).
So Trump may well be correct in saying that the Kurds (specifically) will not get any more arms - because they have other demands
and might make peace with the Syrian Government, to keep at least some part of their territorial gains. The ISIS "bretheren" and
foreign mercenaries do not want any peaceful solution because it would mean their elimination.. So The CIA and Pentagon will probably
continue arms supplies to "HTS2" - but not the Kurds.
(ex-ISIS members; Some are from Saudi Arabia, Qatar - the EU and the US, as well as parts of Russia and China. They are not
farming types but will find themselves with some of the best arable land in Syria. Which belonged to Syrian-arabs-christians-Druzes-Yadzis
etc. Who wil want their properties back.)
Note that the US forces at Tanf are deliberately not letting humanitarian help reach the nearby refugee camp. Starvation and
deprivation will force many of the younger members to become US paid terrorists.
thanks b.. i tend to agree with @4 jean and @5 jen... the way i see it, there is either a real disconnect inside the usa where
the president gets to say one thing, but another part of the establishment can do another, or trump has made his last lie to turkey
here and turkey is going to say good bye to it's involvement with the usa in any way that can be trusted.. seems like some kind
of internal usa conflict to me at this point, but maybe it is all smoke and mirrors to continue on with the same charade.. i mostly
think internal usa conflict at this point..
Odd that no one has mentioned the fact the US was behind the attempted coup, where Erdogan was on a plane with two rogue Syrian
jets that stood down rather than execute the kill shot. I have read opinion that the fighter pilots were "lit up" by Russian missile
batteries and informed by radio they would not survive unless they shut down their weapons targeting immediately. This is probably
a favour Putin reminds Erdogan of on a regular basis, whenever Erdo tries to play Sultan. The attempted coup/asassination also
shows Erdogan exactly how much he can trust the US/Zionists at any level.
And Edrogan must also know Syria was once at least partly in the US-orbit, as Syria was the destination for many well-documented
US-ordered rendition/torture cases. It is probable Mossad (or their proxy thugs) killed Assad's father and older brother, so Erdo
knows he's better relying on Putin than Trumpty Dumbdy.
Erdogan is about to make a u-turn toward Syria. He is furious at Saudi Arabia for boycotting its ally Qatar, for talking about
owning Sunni Islam and by the continuous support of Islamists and Sunni Kurds in Syria.
Erdogan is preparing the turkish public opinion to a shift away from the USA-Israeli axis. This may get him many points in the
2019 election if the war in Syria is stopped, most Syrian refugees are back, Turkish companies are involved in the reconstruction
and the YPG neutralized. Erdogan has 1 year and half to make this to happen. For that he badly needs Bashar al Assad and his army
on his side.
Therefore he is evaluating what is the next move and he needs to know where the USA is standing about Turkey and Syria. Until
now the messages from the USA are contradictory yet Erdogan keeps telling his supporters that the USA is plotting against Turkey
and against Islam. Erdogan's reputation also is been threatened by the outcome of Reza Zarrab's trial in the US where the corruption
of his party may be exposed.
That is why Erdogan is making another check about the US intentions before Erdogan he starts the irreversible shift toward
the Iran-Russia (+Qatar and Syria) axis.
missing in this analysis is oil gas ... producers, refiners, slavers, middle crooks, and the LNG crowd :Israel, Fracking, LNG
and wall street... these are the underlying directing forces that will ultimately dictate when the outsiders have had enough fight
against Assad over Assad's oil and Assad's refusal to allow outsiders to install their pipelines. Until then, gangland intelligence
agencies will continue the divide, destroy and conquer strategies sufficient to keep the profits flowing. The politicians cannot
move until the underlying corruptions resolve..
The word 'byzantine' has been used for centuries to describe the intricate and multi-leveled forms of agreement, betrayal, treachery
and achievement among the shifting power brokers in the region. The US alone has three major and another three minor players at
work - often fighting each other. If however, it thinks it can outplay people whose lives are steeped in such a living tradition,
it is sadly deluded and will one day be in for a very rude surprise. Even the Russians have had difficulty navigating that maze.
When confronted with such a 'Gordian knot' of treachery and shifting alliances, Alexander the Great drew his sword and cut
through it with a vision informed by the sage Socrates as taught by Aristotle.
Despite claiming to represent such a western heritage, the US has no such Socratic wisdom, no Aristotelian logic, and no visionary
leadership that could enable it to do what Alexander did. Lacking this, it is destined to get lost in its' own hubris, and be
consumed by our current version of that region's gordian knot.
'...By the way: is the interest of Kurds to remain under the umbrella of the Syrian state but not be governed by Baath type
of Arabic nationalism illegitimate?..'
...showing that he either knows only the crap spouted by wikipedia...or nothing at all about the Baath party...
...which happens to be a socialist and secular party interested in pan-Arab unity...not nationalism...[an obvious oxymoron
to be pan-national and 'nationalist' at the same time...]
Of course there is always a 'better way'...right Hausmaus...?
The Baath socialism under Saddam in Iraq was no good for anyone we recall...especially women, students, sick people etc...
A 'better way' has since been installed and it is working beautifully...all can agree...
Same thing in Libya...where the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya was no good for anyone...
Of course everyone wanted the 'Better Way'...all those doctoral graduates with free education and guaranteed jobs...a standard
of living better than some European countries...etc...
Again...removing the 'socialist' Kadafi has worked out wonderfully...
We now have black African slaves sold in open air markets...where before they did all the broom pushing that was beneath the
dignity of the Libyan Arabs...
...and were quite happy to stay there and have a job and paycheck...instead of now flooding the shores of Italy in anything
that can float...
Oh yes...why would anyone in Syria want to be governed by the socialist Baath party...?
...especially the Kurds...who just over the border in Turkey are not even recognized as humans...never mind speaking their
own language...
I'd really hoped that Donald Trump® would be the "outsider" that both the MSM and he have been insisting he is for the past couple
of years. Other than the Reality TV Show faux conflicts with which the MSM entertains us nightly, I see no such "rogue" Administration.
This say one thing, and do the other has been US foreign policy forever.
Recall, for instance that on February 21, 2014, Obama's State Department issued a statement hailing Ukrainian President Yanukovych
for signing an agreement with the "pro-democracy Maidan Protest" leaders in which he acquiesced to all of their demands.
Then, on February 22, 2014, the US State Department cheered the "peaceful and Constitutional" coup after neo-nazis stormed
the Parliament.
A few months later, Secretary of State Kerry hailed the Minsk Treaty to end the war in Ukraine. Later that day, Vickie Nuland
said there was no way her Ukies would stop shelling civilians, and sure enough they didn't (until they'd been on the retreat for
weeks, and came whimpering back to the negotiations table).
A couple years later, Kerry announced that the US and Russia would coordinate aerial assaults in Syria. The next day, "Defense"
Secretary Carter said, "no way," and within a week or so, we "accidentally" bombed Syrian forces at Deir ez Zoir for over an hour.
From my perspective, they keep us chasing the next squirrel, while bickering amongst each other about each squirrel. But the
wolves are still devouring the lambs, with only the Bear preventing a complete extinction.
What we know with at least some level of confidence...
Dump is not the 'decider'...the junta is...he's just a cardboard cutout sitting behind the oval office desk...
And he's got no one to blame but himself...he came in talking a big game about cleaning house and got himself cleaned out of
being an actual president...
This was inevitable from the moment he caved on Flynn...the only person he didn't need to vet with the senate...and a position
that wields a lot of power...
This was his undoing on many levels...not only because he faced a hostile deep state and even his own party in congress with
no one by his side [other than Flynn]...
...but because it showed that he had no balls and would not stand by his man...
This is not the stuff leaders are made of...
The same BS we see with Turkey is playing out with Russia on the Ukraine issue...
Now the junta and their enablers in congress want to start sending offensive arms to Ukraine...Dump and his platitudes to Putin...no
matter how much he may mean it...mean nothing...he's not in charge...
I think that Jean @4 has the best take on this: Erdoğan went very public on Trump's "promise" in a classic put-up-or-shut-up challenge
to the USA.
Either the word of a POTUS means something or it doesn't, and if it doesn't then Turkey is going to join Russia in concluding
that the USA as simply not-agreement-capable.
Erdoğan will then say "enough!!!", give the USA the two-finger-salute, and then take Turkey out of NATO.
And the best thing about it will be that McMaster, Kelly and Mathis will be so obsessed with playing their petty little games
that they won't see it coming.
It's hard to tell what Erdoğan is doing or intending other than that he is navigating something - objective TBD. It'll be interesting
to see if he constrains the use of Incirlik airbase should the US keep arming the YPG/PKK forces. Airpower is the enabler (sole
enabler, IMO) of the/any Kurdish overreach inside Syria. Seems like Erdoğan holds the ace card in this muddle but has yet to play
it.
Seems like Turkey has more than one card to play. A commenter on another site mentioned recently that the US really doesn't
want Erdogan to have that S-400 system from Russia. Got me thinking, could Russia have deliberately loaded Erdogan's hand with
that additional card to help him negotiate with the US?
Turkey may well leave NATO and as others have pointed out, this would be a game changer far beyond the matter of the US's illegal
presence in NE Syria. This possibility brings immense existential gravitas to Erdogan's position right now. He could ask
for many concessions at this point, not to leave. And from the Eurasian point of view, it doesn't matter if he leaves or stays,
while from the western view, it matters greatly.
Would the US give up Syria, in order to keep Turkey in NATO? It's a western dichotomy, not one that affects Asia. It would
be simple to throw S-400 at that dynamic to watch it squirm.
The plays the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the King.
- Hamlet
As the endgame plays out, Erdogan's conscience may be revealed.
b has made the point that the partition that US-led proxy forces have carved out is unsustainable. But it would be sustainable
if Erdogan can be convinced to allow trade via Turkey.
For that reason, I thought Trump's ceasing direct military aid to the Kurds made sense as it provided Erdogan with an excuse
to allow land routes for trade/supply. Erdogan can argue that he wants to encourage such good behavior and doesn't want to make
US an enemy (Turkey is still a NATO country).
Furthermore, I've always been suspicious of Erdogan's 'turn' toward Russia. Many have suspected that the attempted coup
was staged by Erdogan (with CIA help?) so as to enable Erdogan to remain in office. IMO Erdogan joined the 'Assad must go!' effort
not just because he benefited from the oil trade but because he leans toward Sunnis (Surely he was aware of the thinking that:
the road to Tehran runs through Damascus .)
Hasn't Erdogan's vehement anti-Kurdish stance done R+6 a disservice? It seems to me that it has helped USA to convince
Kurds to fight for them and has also been a convenient excuse for Erdogan to hold onto Idlib where al Queda forces have refuge.
If Erdogan was really soooo angry with Washington, and soooo dependent on Moscow, then why not relax his anti-Kurdish
stance so as to bring Kurds back into the Syrian orbit?
Jackrabbit @20:
Erdogan may feel that if he relaxed his stance against the Syrian Kurds, it could embolden Turkish Kurds to further pursue their
agenda. It would also make him appear weak towards his supporters.
Erdogan is NOT going to leave NATO. Why should he? It would be the stupidest chess move ever? He's in the club and they can't
kick him out. He can cause all the trouble he wants and hobble that huge machine that is the western alliance. He will not get
EU membership, but he has his NATO ID CARD and that ain't bad. Erdo now knows that the poor bastard Trumps is WORTHLESS that he
is a toothless executive in name only. This is a wake up call, if I were Erdo, I would be very afraid of the USA and it's Syria,
MENA policy. It is being run by LUNATICS and is a slow moving train wreak. So for now, Erdo must be looking at Moscow, admiring
Putin for this is a man who has his shit together and truly knows how to run a country. Maybe even a sense of admiration and more
respect for Putin is even present. If I were Erdo, I'd double down in my support for Russia's Syria policy.
You do not get it:
„...which happens to be a socialist and secular party interested in pan-Arab unity...not nationalism..."
According to this ideology the coherence of a society comes from where? And who is excluded if one applies it?
So your contribution is just a rant using rancidic rhetoric tools. But I will not call you „flunkerbandit". My advice is to move
to this area and have a look into such a society from a more close position. Armchair type of vocal leadership does not help.
@23 "Erdogan is NOT going to leave NATO. Why should he?"
I guess one possible reason would be this: as long as Turkey remains in NATO then he is obliged to allow a US military presence
in his country, and that's just asking for another attempt at a military coup.
After all, wasn't Incirlik airbase a hotbed of coup-plotters during the last coup attempt?
"when the Syrian settlement is achieved, Syria's democratic forces will join the Syrian army." "When the Syrian state stabilizes, we can say that the Americans did what they said, then withdraw as they did in Iraq and
set a date for their departure and leave."
Nothing new here, nothing good either. Kurds so far are keeping up their demands of de-facto independence under fig-leaf of
"we are part of federalised Syria" with weak central government and autonomous Kurds. Thats how US plan to castrate Syria. Russia
offered cultural autonomy, Kurds rejected.
As for Americans "withdrawing" willfully, it never happened. Iraq had to kick them out, and then US used ISIS and Kurds to
get back in.
As for Syria's stabilization part, US is doing everything in its power to prevent it.
@Yeah Right #26
Turkey is not obliged to keep foreign troops in their country to remain in NATO. De Gaulle invited the US to leave France in 1967
but is still a member of NATO
@31 France actually withdrew from NATO in 1966. It remained "committed" to the collective defence of western Europe, without being,
you know, "committed" to it.
So, yeah, France kicked all the foreign troops out of France in 1967, precisely because its withdrawal from NATO's Integrated
Military Command meant that the French were no longer under any obligation to allow NATO troops on its soil.
But France had to formally withdraw from that Command first, and the reason that de Gaulle gave for withdrawing were exactly
that: remaining meant ceding sovereignty to a supra-national organization i.e. NATO Integrated Military Command.
That France retained "membership" of NATO's political organizations even after that withdrawal was little more than a fig-leaf.
After all, NATO's purpose isn't "political", it is "military".
"The Decider" is Trump's apparent self image. He can't be enjoying the Presidency and the controls exerted upon him by others
among the "Deep State" (whom I suppose have effectively cowed him into behaving via serious threats).
If he already had money and power, as it appears that he had, he gained little by taking the crown. He has less power because
he is now controlled by a number of forces (CIA, NSA, Media, MIC and etc.) as he remains under constant assault by his natural
opposition.
Big mistake dumping Flynn.
Now you take another kind of asshole in the person of Obama - a guy that had nothing - you have a malleable character who enjoys
the pomp and circumstance. Really didn't need any persuading to do anything required of him.
Here is a recent report from the Turkish Prime Minister supporting Trump's "lie" about ending support for the Kurds....what will
history show occured?
ISTANBUL, Nov. 26 (Xinhua) -- Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on Sunday that his country is expecting the United
States to end its partnership with the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) and its military wing, the People's Protection
Units (YPG).
"Since the very beginning, we have said that it is wrong for the U.S. to partner with PKK's cousin PYD and YPG in the fight
against Daesh (Islamic State) terrorist group," Yildirim told the press in Istanbul prior to his departure for Britain.
Ankara sees the Kurdish groups as an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) fighting against the Turkish government
for over 30 years, while Washington regards them as a reliable ground force against the Islamic State (IS), also known as Daesh.
U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday spoke to his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan over the phone, pledging not to
provide weapons to the YPG any more, an irritant that has hurt bilateral ties, according to the Turkish side.
Yildirim noted that Washington has described it as an obligation rather than an option to support the Kurdish groups on the
ground. "But since Daesh (IS) is now eliminated then this obligation has disappeared," he added.
It would be nice if Erdogan when withdrawing from NATO (Assuming he does this in the next 12-18 months) would say something like.
"We really like President Trump - and we trust his word implicitly. The problem is, although we trust his word, we know
he is not in control so his word is useless and best ignored. Though of course - we still trust he means well."
That would be a nice backhander to hear from Erdopig.
Speculation about Turkey leaving NATO seems farfetched. Turkey has NATO over a barrel. It has been a member for decades and what
would it gain by leaving? Nothing. By staying it continues to influence and needle at the same time. Turkey will only leave when
NATO throws it out, which isn't going to happen.
"... To render credible analysis of the future of unconventional shale resources in America one must have had actual first hand experience in the actual business of oil extraction. In other words, one must have had to write checks to drill wells, write checks to pay operating costs, write checks to the Federal government for taxes, write check after check, etc, etc., and watch their net revenue drop like a rock every month. Ignoring debt and economics to simply say there is 40GBO of recoverable shale oil in America is, forgive me, not in the least bit credible. ..."
"... The EIA, the IEA, almost every predictor of the future ignores the economics of shale extraction and it's debt. Those predictions are therefore meaningless. Hoping for higher oil prices to make the future work out like you want it to is not a tactic, it is not a plan. It is a disservice to people searching for knowledge. ..."
"... So, ignore the Million Dollar Way thing, and Michael Filloon, the self serving dribble in investor presentations, the "we are going to unleash America's oil 'might' on the rest of the world" Perry/Trump bullshit and listen instead to Shallow Sand. He has written some checks in his day. Best not run him off. ..."
In the interest of those few oily readers you have left on POB, Dennis (I see you ran Guy, a knowledgeable royalty owner from
Texas, off with that stupid comment about the Texas Railroad Commission), lets NOT say what you said.
Instead lets say that at $50 dollar hedged oil prices the net back, take home pay for a Bakken operator is actually $20 a barrel.
And it is. Costs are not going down, they are going up, and longer laterals and enormous frac's make true well costs actually
closer to $9M. Such a well would therefore require 450,000 BO to payout.
Some very learned people on this site, actually knowledgeable about the oil industry, who are now also gone, have proven it
will take $85 dollar plus oil prices, sustained, for the unconventional shale oil industry to pay back its debt and simply be
able to replace reserves. The days of all this enormous 'growth' crap are over.
To render credible analysis of the future of unconventional shale resources in America one must have had actual first hand
experience in the actual business of oil extraction. In other words, one must have had to write checks to drill wells, write checks
to pay operating costs, write checks to the Federal government for taxes, write check after check, etc, etc., and watch their
net revenue drop like a rock every month. Ignoring debt and economics to simply say there is 40GBO of recoverable shale oil in
America is, forgive me, not in the least bit credible.
The EIA, the IEA, almost every predictor of the future ignores the economics of shale extraction and it's debt. Those predictions
are therefore meaningless. Hoping for higher oil prices to make the future work out like you want it to is not a tactic, it is
not a plan. It is a disservice to people searching for knowledge.
So, ignore the Million Dollar Way thing, and Michael Filloon, the self serving dribble in investor presentations, the "we
are going to unleash America's oil 'might' on the rest of the world" Perry/Trump bullshit and listen instead to Shallow Sand.
He has written some checks in his day. Best not run him off.
"... "Refiner Phillips 66 (PSX.N) and midstream giant Plains All American (PAA.N) have said condensate is oil with an API gravity of 45 or above. Meanwhile, Marathon Petroleum Corp's (MPC.N) top executive said in a recent interview he believed condensate should have an API gravity of 60 and above. ..."
"... Without a universal standard, production data vary wildly. The EIA's own figures suggest that anywhere from 8 percent to 16 percent of U.S. crude oil production is condensate – a difference of more than half a million barrels a day." ..."
"... And yes, not only do NGL's contain approximately 55% of the energy in a typical barrel of oil, but it fetches about 55% of the market price for oil as well. So, the world is producing a lot of crappy liquids, which gives the impression to the BrainDead Layman, that we are producing a record amount of oil we are not. ..."
"... We are producing a record amount of LOW-QUALITY CRAPPY PETROLEUM LIQUIDS. I would imagine if we would break it down by separating oil sands, shale and NGL's the good quality stuff peaked a while ago. ..."
You have to wonder how much of the world's 96.7 mbpd 'crude' oil output is natural gas liquids?
Hard to get a handle on because non-oil liquids are not reported separately, (from 2014):
"Refiner Phillips 66 (PSX.N) and midstream giant Plains All American (PAA.N) have said condensate is oil with an API gravity
of 45 or above. Meanwhile, Marathon Petroleum Corp's (MPC.N) top executive said in a recent interview he believed condensate should
have an API gravity of 60 and above.
Without a universal standard, production data vary wildly. The EIA's own figures suggest that anywhere from 8 percent to
16 percent of U.S. crude oil production is condensate – a difference of more than half a million barrels a day."
Depletion of oil fields means increase in non-crude liquids with decreased energy content and decreasing percentage of motor
fuel product, not just in the US but in other oil regions. If 10% of the 96.7 million barrels is non-oil gas liquids then actual
crude oil output isn't really increasing as OPEC secretariat seems to suggest.
I know this has been mentioned before, I've heard it from Art Berman and others w/ energy backgrounds, but the 'good news'
is constantly repeated.
Dennis was kind enough to send me an excel spreadsheet on Global NGL production. According to his data, the world produced
92.1 mbd of C+C+NGLS in 2016. Of that total, NGL's accounted for 11.5 mbd. Thus, NGL's represents 12.5% of the total.
And yes, not only do NGL's contain approximately 55% of the energy in a typical barrel of oil, but it fetches about 55%
of the market price for oil as well. So, the world is producing a lot of crappy liquids, which gives the impression to the BrainDead
Layman, that we are producing a record amount of oil we are not.
We are producing a record amount of LOW-QUALITY CRAPPY PETROLEUM LIQUIDS. I would imagine if we would break it down by
separating oil sands, shale and NGL's the good quality stuff peaked a while ago.
There are different ways to define "conventional oil". If we include deepwater offshore and polar oil but exclude "extra heavy"
oil (API Gravity < 10 degrees) and tight oil output in our definition of "conventional" Crude plus condensate (C+C), then in 2016
annual output of conventional C+C was at a peak (annual data through the end of 2016) at 73.2 Mb/d. The previous peak in 2005
(72.1 Mb/d) was exceeded in 2015 (72.9 Mb/d). There are other definitions of conventional oil, many (like BP) include NGL, in
that case the data by mass is better than volume because it approximates energy content more closely. NGL is useful for heating
and petrochemicals, but less so for land transportation.
"... I have mentioned this before, but SERIOUS TROUBLE will come down hard on the Bakken. Looks like someone hasn't been honest about its production figures. ..."
"... Fireworks will arrive shortly .. hehehe. ..."
I have mentioned this before, but SERIOUS TROUBLE will come down hard on the Bakken. Looks like someone hasn't been honest
about its production figures.
active wells increased by 158 from August to Sept and output increased by 19 kb/d for the Bakken Three Forks to 1055 kb/d.
Only 77 new wells were completed in the North Dakota in August 2017 and output increased that month by 23 kb/d.
They have added over 1,100 Bakken and/or Three Forks wells to boost production back to where it was in March, 2016.
So, conservatively $8 billion spent just to climb back up.
The amount of capital being burned on energy in the USA is truly remarkable.
Dennis, I have seen data that shows the total cost of all "shale" oil and gas wells from maybe 2003 forward, and then the gross
proceeds from same. Very interesting how far from payout the USA wells are, in aggregate.
So about 48 Gb of proved reserves plus undiscovered resources (F50).
I agree higher oil prices ($85/b or more) will be needed.
I expect by 2020 this is likely to be correct (oil prices above $85/b), but maybe there is more cheap oil out there than I
realize. I expect 400-500 kb/d of tight oil increases each year over the 2017-2021 period, not enough to take care of increased
oil demand, OPEC, Russia, Brazil, and Canada will probably not be able to make up the shortfall so stocks will continue to fall
and oil prices will rise.
Timing unknown, but my WAG is $75/b by Sept 2018.
I based my $30 net on an example given by shallow sand, but you are correct I remembered incorrectly. His example was $45/b
wellhead and $15/b net. Sorry I got it wrong.
Divide my 60 month net income by 2 so $3.3 million for a well that cost $7.3 million (in shallow sand's example), so in the
red by $4.4 billion for those 1100 wells.
Using shallow sands $7.3 million well cost (8000/1100) and $15/b net, it's 487 kb over 5 years for payout, for the average
2014 well my estimate is about 250 kb over 5 years.
So $29.20/b net is needed for payout and an increase of $14.20 per barrel in the well price (with no increase in costs) would
do it. That would be about $70/b WTI, to take care of debt would require higher prices, though perhaps not another $15/b.
If your estimate of $9 million per well is correct, we would need $36/b net for payout and $77/b WTI, perhaps $8/b extra is
needed to cover interest costs, but that would imply about $58 billion in debt if interest is 5% on the debt (assuming Bakken
output of about 1000 kb/d).
Rune Likvern estimates cumulative debt at about $35 billion, at 5% interest and 1000 kb/d this implies an extra $5/b in interest
cost so about $82/b WTI would be needed if well cost is indeed $9 million per well.
Bottom line, higher oil prices are needed for profits somewhere from $75/b to $82/b WTI, and Rune Likvern's estimate is about
$84/b, but for a point forward estimate breakeven (7% return) is as low as $63/b (for the average 2016 well).
This May 20, 2016 post was probably two years early ;-) I remember looking back on the IEA's 2005 World Energy Outlook and being perplexed that
anyone still takes their price or production forecasts with any seriousness whatsoever. Their 2003 WEO is even more hilarious.
Notable quotes:
"... Eventually market sentiment focused on the recency bias of a 2 year glut is going to shift into the realization that disruptions, depletion, and growing demand have thrown the global balance into a dearth where inventories are being drawn to meet demand – such as the news about Saudi's relying on inventory to meet demand, the "missing" 800,000,000 barrels of OECD inventory from Q1 2016, or next weeks inevitable U.S. inventory draw. ..."
"... Suddenly, an extra outage (like say if anything happens to Venezuela) will cause meaningful rallies instead of being mostly written off. ..."
"... The best, live, interactive charts I am most fond of are here: https://www.dailyfx.com/crude-oil ..."
"... I expect one last fight around $50, a few day consolidation move lower. Then market realities will push WTI past $50, and shorts will have to cover pushing it even higher. ..."
"... Next thing you know were range bound in the mid-$50s at the end of June as everyone questions if shale production will magically skyrocket overnight. Maybe the rig count will go up by 3 or 4, and it'll spark a sell-off back to or below $50 because of the psychological recency bias of a "repeat of 2015". ..."
"... I remember looking back on the IEA's 2005 World Energy Outlook and being perplexed that anyone still takes their price or production forecasts with any seriousness whatsoever. Their 2003 WEO is even more hilarious. ..."
"... Most people are simply incapable of seeing a bigger picture, and they'll simply never understand the relationship between depletion, economic and population growth, and the long-term fact that this equals higher prices (and probably also, in the long run, higher poverty and unemployment). ..."
"... It is for that exact same reason that so many people we know will simply never get it. Physics doesn't have agency, it cannot be avoided, cajoled, or "blamed". It simply is, and that is so unsettling to our psyche that most people have a strong, unconscious drive to negate and ignore that conclusion even if they will acknowledge it is a sound and true explanation of how economics, growth, employment, wealth, energy (physics and thermodynamics), and depletion are woven of the same fabric. ..."
"... Brian – I think you are closer to reality than EIA or USGS, it will be interesting to see how it plays out against your scenario. ..."
"... There doesn't necessarily have to be more social breakdown in Venezuela to have an impact – Haliburton and Schlumberger are pulling out and will have immediate effect as the extra heavy oil production needs continuous attention to the wells. I'm surprised Angola and Algeria haven't seen disruptions yet either. ..."
"The joint-venture Syncrude project told customers to expect no further crude shipments for May, trading sources said on Thursday,
extending a force majeure on crude production from earlier in the month."
Eventually market sentiment focused on the recency bias of a 2 year glut is going to shift into the realization that disruptions,
depletion, and growing demand have thrown the global balance into a dearth where inventories are being drawn to meet demand –
such as the news about Saudi's relying on inventory to meet demand, the "missing" 800,000,000 barrels of OECD inventory from Q1
2016, or next weeks inevitable U.S. inventory draw.
Suddenly, an extra outage (like say if anything happens to Venezuela) will cause meaningful rallies instead of being mostly
written off.
In fact, judging by the price action on oil over the last 24 hours, I'd say that sentiment is very close to a shift. From 11
AM forward crude oil marched higher relentlessly, even in opposition to dollar strength. Most every single commodity was down,
as we're most every stock market except oil.
I expect one last fight around $50, a few day consolidation move lower. Then market realities will push WTI past $50, and
shorts will have to cover pushing it even higher.
Next thing you know were range bound in the mid-$50s at the end of June as everyone questions if shale production will
magically skyrocket overnight. Maybe the rig count will go up by 3 or 4, and it'll spark a sell-off back to or below $50 because
of the psychological recency bias of a "repeat of 2015".
That is, until rational minds, or the market itself pushes prices back up as it becomes obvious that a slowdown in U.S. production
declines will mean little in the face of mounting production declines around the globe, and "surprisingly" strong demand – because
apparently predicting that lower prices will cause stronger than average demand growth is beyond the economic capability of the
EIA or IEA, and markets tend to take their word as gospel.
I remember looking back on the IEA's 2005 World Energy Outlook and being perplexed that anyone still takes their price
or production forecasts with any seriousness whatsoever. Their 2003 WEO is even more hilarious.
Every step of the way analysts and talking heads will be confused that prices aren't dropping back to $30 just like they were
for 5 straight years from 2003 to 2008. They'll predict Saudi's will raise production to 12 mbpd any day now, or that shale will
magically take off overnight.
They'll never even realize that they don't understand the history of Saudi production, or the logistical and financial complexities
of shale production rising as fast as it did before. Instead they'll blame the banks, or speculators, or Big Oil for artificially
making oil prices rise (without questioning why they let them fall for 2 years in the first place)
But then again if gas is cheap, which average people are fond of, their brain says "I like this, so it must be right". If gas
is expensive their brain says "I don't like this, it must be wrong, what evil force made this happen?!?"
Most people are simply incapable of seeing a bigger picture, and they'll simply never understand the relationship between
depletion, economic and population growth, and the long-term fact that this equals higher prices (and probably also, in the long
run, higher poverty and unemployment).
Their lives will have ups and down, growth and recession, but they'll know and feel it is generally getting harder. They'll
never be aware that this is the "fault" of nothing but physics and thermodynamics, even if told directly and shown all the rather
clear evidence (I know every one of you has experienced this as I have). Instead, they'll blame those dang immigrants, or the
Chinese, or the Congress, or regulations.
They'll blame anything that fits their paradigm enough to allow cohesiveness so their fragile lives can at least MAKE SENSE.
You can't blame physics, and, frankly, I think that is a large psychological barrier for people comprehending what is happening.
We need to have some agent to blame for things, and physics has no agency. Blaming something for a problem is settling because
it gives us something to focus on to solve the problem, or, at the very least, avoid it. The evolutionarily beneficial need to
assign agents as the cause of events is what pre-disposes us to believing that events we cannot easily assign agency to are, nonetheless,
the will of a greater, invisible, omnipresent agent.
It is for that exact same reason that so many people we know will simply never get it. Physics doesn't have agency, it
cannot be avoided, cajoled, or "blamed". It simply is, and that is so unsettling to our psyche that most people have a strong,
unconscious drive to negate and ignore that conclusion even if they will acknowledge it is a sound and true explanation of how
economics, growth, employment, wealth, energy (physics and thermodynamics), and depletion are woven of the same fabric.
Brian – I think you are closer to reality than EIA or USGS, it will be interesting to see how it plays out against your scenario.
A couple of other impacts are summer maintenance season in North Sea (Buzzard and, I think, Ekofisk have major turnarounds),
Alaska and Canada (maybe Russia as well) and increased demand from driving season in USA and AC use in Middle East.
There doesn't necessarily have to be more social breakdown in Venezuela to have an impact – Haliburton and Schlumberger
are pulling out and will have immediate effect as the extra heavy oil production needs continuous attention to the wells. I'm
surprised Angola and Algeria haven't seen disruptions yet either.
An attack on Iran would probably result in the oil supplies through the Persian Gulf being
blocked.
That wouldn't just affect the ability of westerners to drive. Their holidays would be
wrecked, industry would go on short time, food supplies would be disrupted. We live in a very
complex world with most businesses reliant on just-in-time delivery. This is not 1917 or
1940.
Barrel traders recently pushed the price of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) oil above $55; the first time in over two years.
Scarcity doesn't really justify the upward price movement. There isn't a shortage of oil in the world. But there could be, in
the worst case, if missiles start flying between two of the world's largest oil players: Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Maybe it won't happen. But maybe it will. And that's what the "geopolitical risk premium" is all about. It's an anxiety
surcharge that's tacked onto every barrel of oil, in fear of supply disruption on a moment's notice. And the fear is back.
After three years of naivety we're back to acknowledging the known unknowns of the Middle East, the uncertainties that strap a
10-to-20 percent premium on the price of a barrel.
Paying a risk premium for oil is nothing new. It's been around for decades and has gone up and down with the hostility thermometer
of the Middle East.
Unusually, the pricing of risk dropped to zero around 2015. Three main reasons prompted a sense of world peace: the promise
of the Iranian nuclear deal; a feeling that booming oilfields in Texas could offset any disruption; and a growing surplus of oil
inventories in storage tanks around the world.
Of late, the notion of oil obsolescence has also perpetuated a feeling of nonchalance. "Who cares about the Middle East and
their oil?" has been a question driven by the utopian narrative: "I'm not worried, everyone will be driving electric cars
in a few years anyway."
But it's all been a false sense of security.
Electric cars are still rare. Oil remains vital to the world economy. Its geographic concentration is such that a large proportion
of the world's needs is produced from underneath layers of geopolitics, religious antagonism, authoritarianism, civil strife and
corruption.
"... The document, which is being unveiled for the first time, proves all that has been leaked since President Trump's visit to
Saudi Arabia last May on the launch of US efforts to sign a peace treaty between Saudi Arabia and Israel. This was followed by information
on the exchange of visits between Riyadh and Tel Aviv, the most important being the visit of the Saudi Crown Prince to the Zionist entity.
..."
"... The document reveals the size of concessions that Riyadh intends to present in the context of the liquidation of the Palestinian
issue, and its concern to get in return the elements of power against Iran and the resistance, led by Hezbollah. ..."
Revealed - Saudis Plan To Give Up Palestine - For War On Iran
The tyrants of Saudi Arabia developed a plan that sells away Palestine. They see this as necessary to get U.S. support for their
fanatic campaign against their perceived enemy Iran.
An internal Saudi memorandum, leaked to the Lebanese paper Al-Akhbar , reveals its major elements. (Note: The genuineness
of the memo has not been confirmed. In theory it could be a "plant" by some other party. But Al-Akhbar has so far an excellent
record of publishing genuine leaks and I trust its editors' judgement.)
According to the memo the Saudis are ready to give up on the Palestinian right of return. They forfeit Palestinian sovereignty
over Jerusalem and no longer insist of the status of a full state for the Palestinians. In return they ask for a U.S.-Saudi-Israeli
(military) alliance against their perceived enemy on the eastern side of the Persian Gulf.
Negotiations on the issue were held between the Saudis and the Zionist under the aegis of the United States. Netanyahu and Trump's
"shared personal assistant, wunderkind Jared Kushner", is the point men in these negotiations. He made at least
three trips to Saudi Arabia
this year, the last one very recently.
The Saudi operations over the last month, against the internal opposition to the Salman clan as well as against Hizbullah in Lebanon,
have to be seen
in the context and as preparation of the larger plan. To recap:
Last week the current front-man of the Palestinians, Mahmoud Abbas, was ordered to Riyadh. There
he was
told to accept whatever will be presented as U.S. peace plan or to resign. He was urged to cut all Palestinian ties with Iran
and Hizbullah:
Since the warnings, which could threaten the new Palestinian unity agreement signed by Fatah and the Iranian-backed Hamas in the
Gaza Strip, Palestinian media displayed a rare degree of unity in recent days by coming out against Iran.
On November 6 a letter by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo to Israeli embassies was intentionally "
leaked ". In it Netanyahoo urges his diplomats
to press for full support for the Saudi plans in Lebanon, Yemen and beyond. On the same day Trump
tweeted :
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump - 3:03 PM - 6 Nov 2017
I have great confidence in King Salman and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, they know exactly what they are doing....
The Saudi tyrant abducted the Prime Minister of Lebanon, Saad Hariri, and
declared
war on the country. The purpose of this move is to remove or isolate Hizbullah, the Shia resistance of Lebanon which is allied
with Iran and opposes the Saudi plans for Palestine.
On November 11 the New York Times reported on the
U.S. drafting of a "peace plan" but provided little detail. The chance for such a plan to succeed was described as low.
The left-wing Lebanese paper Al-Akhbar has obtained a
copy of the plan (Arabic) in form of a memorandum by the Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir to the Saudi clown prince Mohammed
Bin Salman (
English machine translation ):
The document, which is being unveiled for the first time, proves all that has been leaked since President Trump's visit to
Saudi Arabia last May on the launch of US efforts to sign a peace treaty between Saudi Arabia and Israel. This was followed by
information on the exchange of visits between Riyadh and Tel Aviv, the most important being the visit of the Saudi Crown Prince
to the Zionist entity.
The document reveals the size of concessions that Riyadh intends to present in the context of the liquidation of the Palestinian
issue, and its concern to get in return the elements of power against Iran and the resistance, led by Hezbollah.
The Saudi foreign ministry memo starts by laying out its strategic perspective:
To face Iran by increasing sanctions on ballistic missiles and reconsidering the nuclear deal, the Kingdom has pledged in the
strategic partnership agreement with US President Donald Trump that any US-Saudi effort is the key to success.
...
Saudi Arabia's rapprochement with Israel involves a risk to the Muslim peoples of the Kingdom, because the Palestinian cause represents
a spiritual and historical and religious heritage. The Kingdom will not take this risk unless it feels the United States' sincere
approach to Iran, which is destabilizing the region by sponsoring terrorism, its sectarian policies and interfering in the affairs
of others.
The Saudi paper describes the issues and process steps towards a deal in five points:
First : The Saudis demand a " parity of the relationship " between Israel and Saudi Arabia. On the military level they demand
that either Israel gives up on its nuclear weapons or Saudi Arabia is itself allowed to acquire such
Second : In exchange Saudi Arabia will use its diplomatic and economic power to push through a 'peace plan' between Israel, the
Palestinians and Arab countries along the lines that the U.S. will lay out. Within such a peace plan the Saudis, according to the
memo, are willing to make extraordinary concessions:
The city of Jerusalem would not become capital of a Palestinian state but be subjected to a special international regime administered
by the United Nations.
The right of return for Palestinian refugees, who were violently expelled by the Zionists, would be given up on. The refugees
would be integrated as citizens of those countries where they currently reside.
(No demand for full sovereignty of a Palestinian state is mentioned.)
Third : After reaching an agreement of the "main principles of the final solution" for Palestine between Saudi Arabia and the
U.S. (Israel), a meeting of all foreign ministers of the region would be convened to back these up. Final negotiations would follow.
Fourth : In coordination and cooperation with Israel Saudi Arabia would use its economic power to convince the Arab public of
the plan. The point correctly notes "At the beginning of normalizing relations with Israel, normalization will not be acceptable
to public opinion in the Arab world ." The plan is thus to essentially bribe the Arab public into accepting it.
Fifth : The Palestinian conflict distracts from the real issue the Saudi rulers have in the region which is Iran: "Therefore,
the Saudi and Israeli sides agree on the following:
Contribute to counter any activities that serve Iran's aggressive policies in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia's affinity with
Israel must be matched by a sincere American approach against Iran.
Increase US and international sanctions related to Iranian ballistic missiles.
Increase sanctions on Iran's sponsorship of terrorism around the world.
Re-examination of the group (five + 1) in the nuclear agreement with Iran to ensure the implementation of its terms literally
and strictly.
Limiting Iran's access to its frozen assets and exploiting Iran's deteriorating economic situation and marketing it to increase
pressure on the Iranian regime from within.
Intensive intelligence cooperation in the fight against organized crime and drug trafficking supported by Iran and Hezbollah."
The memo is signed by Adel al-Jubeir. (But who were the 'advisors' who dictated it to him?)
The U.S. plan for peace in Palestine is to press the Palestinians and Arabs into anything Israel demands. The Saudis will agree
to that, with minor conditions, if only the U.S. and Israel help them to get rid of their nemesis Iran. But that is impossible. Neither
Israel nor the U.S. will agree to a "parity of relationship" for Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia lacks all elements to become a supreme
state in the Arab Middle East. Iran can not be defeated.
Iran is the at the core of the Shia constituency and at the core of resistance to "western" imperialism. Shia and Sunni aligned
populations in the Middle East (ex Egypt) are of roughly equal size. Iran has about four times the number of citizens the Saudis
have. It is much older and cultured than Saudi Arabia. It has an educated population and well developed industrial capabilities.
Iran is a nation, not a conglomerate of desert tribes like the desert peninsula under al-Saud. Its geographic position and resources
make it unconquerable.
To defeat Iran the Saudis started proxy-wars in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and now Lebanon. They needed foot soldiers to win these wars.
The Saudis hired and sent the only significant infantry they ever had at their disposal. Their hordes of al-Qaeda and ISIS fanatics
were defeated. Tens of thousands of them have been killed on the battle fields in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. Despite a global mobilization
campaign nearly all the potentially available forces have been defeated by the local resistances on the ground. Neither the colonial
settler state nor the U.S. are willing to send their soldiers into battle for Saudi supremacy.
The grant plan of the Trump administration to achieve peace in the Middle East is high on hopes but lacks all the necessary details.
The Saudi's promise to support the U.S. plan if the Trump administration is willing to fight their nemesis Iran. Both leaderships
are hapless and impulsive and both of their plans have little chance of final success. They will be pursued anyway and will continue
to create an enormous amount of collateral damage. The Zionist entity feels no real pressure to make peace. It is already
dragging its feet on these plans and will try to use them to its sole advantage.
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This reeks of despair. How long should one give to the clown prince MBS before he achieves the final collapse of Saudi Arabia
is the only question I have.
This did not need a leak, it was clear. The "leak" might as well have been invented from what has transpired anyway.
There is an Arab peace plan from 2002 which Israelis find unacceptable.
Israelis will find this new peace plan unacceptable, too, as it would mean a one state solution - Palestinian struggle for
a state would be changed to an equal rights campaign Israelis would find very difficult to counter.
The 'new' plan is too late anyway, Israel cannot directly engage in any war without being existentially threatened themselves,
last time proved in Gaza. Hamas might have been forced to allow the Palestinian authority back but they did not give up their
weapons.
And neither the US nor Israel can politically afford to lose many soldiers in a ground war. So if Saudi wants to fight against
Iran, they have to do it themselves.
Never ceases to amaze the repeated rhetoric about how Iran is the bogyman, when Saudi Arabia financed the destruction in Syria.
Israel fermenting discourse, has been going on for so long, to where the world looks upon it as being the "boy who cried wolf".
Israel give up its Nukes? Parity, if you believe in the tooth fairy. Exactly who meddles in others foreign affairs there in the
MENA?
Either way, the new "owner" of Saudi Arabia will have to make several choices if he wants to do anything at all without running
out of cash. Wars are expensive (particulrly if you have to pay mercenaries) and the recent asset seizures will only go so far.
...The actual "plot" mentioned by b seems to have included too many "wish-list" items for the Israelis, for it to be accurate.
Although there is definitely a possibility of Saudi and Israeli collusion, Israel for one would prefer the US AND the Saudis to
attack Iran. Note that overflying by Israel to attack Iran would probably be over Saudi which makes it into a direct target. The
"other" route via Greece would be used on the return (or outward first). Which is why the inclusion of foreign airforces in familiarisation
drills in Soutern Israel, actually lends credence to the leak - in spite of what I said earlier.
On RT Arabic, article saying that Aoun's aid has been informed that they indeed a war on Lebanon is coming.
In exchange for letting humanitarian business-help reach the Yemenis, they need to kill ppl elsewhere?
But what if the 350,OOO Lebanese leave KSA (and why don't they already do it?)
I believe KSA will suffer of that much more than Lebanon.
The incident increased tensions along the southern sector and threatened to disturb the calm that has prevailed there since
the end of the traumatic summer of 2014, which left Gaza in ruins and Israel licking its wounds. As of the writing of this
article, silence has been maintained. None of the parties are lashing out, despite the casualties from Islamic Jihad and Hamas.
Ever since the tunnel was destroyed, senior Egyptian intelligence officials have set off on a long round of mediation between
the parties in an effort to prevent a conflagration from erupting. Both sides are well-aware that the previous round of violence,
in 2014, was not planned. Rather, it was the result of a deteriorating situation and the loss of control on both sides. Neither
of the parties needs another round of violence like that right now. The IDF has clarified that it did not know that there were
excavators or fighters in the tunnel at the time, and that it did not plan to launch a "targeted killing." It simply wanted
to destroy the tunnel.
As Obama will be remembered for the Iran nuclear deal, Trump wants to be remembered as the maker of the Arab-Israeli deal to
end the state of wear.
Since Trump came to power he has been following a clear strategy of weakening all the parties involved, including Saudi Arabia
and Israel!
Syria, Lebanon, Hamas, Fatah, Turkey and Iran are been thrown into deep crisis while Saudi Arabia and Israel are been brought
to panic by agitating the "Iran and Shia threat'. Regional leaders reluctant to make concessions are coerced, bribed or quietly
removed in all these countries. Local allies such as the Kurds and ISIS have been pampered to move against the reluctant leaders.
Jared is the architect of that strategy. He is in charge of manipulating the Saudis and Israel into a deal that will be then be
imposed on the other countries.
Russia is NOT opposed to such a deal, provided it keeps its influence in the region. Therefore Trump is cozying up with Putin
to get his collaboration in convincing his allies of the benefits of such a deal.
The hard to break Arabs are Bashar al Assad's Syrians, and the Moslem Brotherhood (Hamas) .
Qatar and Turkey are been blackmailed to put pressure on the Moslem Brotherhood and any opponent to a 'forced' peace deal.
The Saudis are the key to the deal as they will be asked to contribute to the financial compensation Palestinians will ask
for to accept the deal. They are also the most eager to humiliate Iran and Turkey.
The train is on track, despite failure to tame Syria that remains a nut hard to crack.
I'm not convinced that this document is genuine because:
>> as b notes, 'parity' on nukes is a non-starter;
>> discussions with Israel about the Palestinians are unlikely to be phrased as a "final solution" with the severe negative
historical connotations of that phrase;
>> this wording is also odd: "rapprochement with Israel involves a risk to the Muslim peoples of the Kingdom" because
there is no need to make special reference to "Muslim peoples" when 99.9% of KSA is Muslim.
>> Does KSA really have the wherewithal to bribe the Muslim world?
>> The accusation that Iran engages in "organized crime and drug trafficking" seems planted. I haven't seen such
a charge before. The standard accusation (in the US) has been that Iran supports terrorism (meaning Hezbollah) and "destabilizes
the region" (meaning they don't bow to US-Israeli-Saudi masters).
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Tuesday that a recently announced agreement on the terms of a ceasefire in Syria
did not include a Russian commitment to ensure Iran-linked militias would be pulled out of the country.
Lavrov said Iran maintained a "legitimate" presence in Syria, according to the Interfax news agency.
"What will the initiative include? According to various sources, it will consist of regional negotiations along three channels:
Israeli-Palestinian with American mediation, Israeli-regional and international (rehabilitation of the refugee camps and mobilization
of the world for a regional agreement). It is possible that the initiative will redefine the concept of "sovereignty" in a way
that allows the Israelis and Palestinians to share territory creatively. The initiative may even resuscitate the Palestinian-Jordanian
confederation idea. Perhaps even a Palestinian-Jordanian-Israeli configuration is possible."
Excellent article, thanks. yet I am left somewhat confused, Harir just talk on TV saying: He was running for a fear for his life
(hezbollah wants him dead, like they did with his father), he added that Hezbollah is the danger to Lebanon, he added that he
is not held by force and will return to Lebanon.
Something feels wrong, don't you have this feeling as well regarding this story?
@11...Jackrabbit:
How convenient that you forget the phrase, "...by deception thou shalt do war", when you rationalize Israeli motivations/sensibilities.
In addition to the Syria agreement, the officials are likely to discuss Iran's alleged construction of a military base less
than 50 kilometers (30 miles) from Israel's Golan border.
The leaking of a secret Israeli cable and publishing by an Israeli news organization also seems suspicious.
The past, such blatant Israeli support for an Arab State/Monarch would be the kiss of death, wouldn't it?
The best explanation I can muster for these leaks is this: to further the notion that an attack on Lebanon is imminent so as
to distract from the real target of an attack: Qatar.
So lets see: (Updated as I forgot the Hezbollah angle)
Israel gets the Palestinians dumped.
Israel gets somebody else to attack Iran who will be destroyed in return.
Israel gets Hezbollah weakened, allowing takeover of Lebanese oil interests / access for its planned Israel-Cyprus energy route
therough Lebanese territorial waters.
Palestine is a dead duck anyhow, and there won't be any war on Iran because of the extensive US presence (missile targets) in
the Gulf. So IMO the idea that Israel would give up its nukes might be the main issue here.
Meanwhile Iran will be working behind the scenes to weaken both Israel and Saudi Arabia, especially in the key KSA Eastern Province
where Shi'as predominate and ARAMCO will have new owners. The Persians have been around for centuries and they know how to deal
with these matters, as evidenced recently.
Yep, get the Saudis to plonk down billions in weapons that they won't , can't use and take part of that cash to help the Israelis
to bomb their Arab brethren.
The US politicians appear as dummies compared to Iranians, Russians and Chinese.
One may have serious doubts about these expensive and famous US universities that seem to breed political morons.
They all look like vicious children playing dirty and cruel games in a kindergarten
Last/not least - whilst Trump has fully bought into Saudi and Israeli aims (they might not be the same), his presidency might
end in three years. US (and Russian) interest is to balance the interests of Middle East actors not to become a proxy for one
of them.
"I paid a military security price every day as the commander of CentCom because the Americans were seen as biased in support
of Israel, and that moderates all the moderate Arabs who want to be with us, because they can't come out publicly in support
of people who don't show respect for the Arab Palestinians," he said Saturday at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado in response
to a question about the peace process.
....
He called the current situation in Israel "unsustainable" and blamed the settlements for harming prospects for peace. The
chances for an accord between Israel and the Palestinians, said Mattis, "are starting to ebb because the settlements and where
they're at are going to make it impossible to maintain the two state solution."
Mattis then described a hypothetical in which 500 Jewish settlers live among 10,000 Arabs, and the implications of where
Israel draws the border. He called it a choice between giving up the idea of a Jewish state or becoming an apartheid state.
Saudi is desperate. Israel is not far behind. Whatever they did since 2006 worsened their strategic position.
The Zionist entity feels no real pressure to make peace.
Making peace, in any shape or form, with the palestinians is antithesis to the zionist mission. Israel's survival, as a jewish
state, hinges on this.
The same could also be said about the first point; Israel would never accept a technologically advanced state in the region
that could threaten its hegemony. A nuclear Saudi Arabia will never see the light of day.
I have a theory and I can't back it up but here goes...
I believe that The Donald gave Saudi two choices; go forward with his plan for the new Middle East or he throws his weight
and support in with the 9/11 families in their lawsuit against Saud.
The Saudis have so seldom been out front on foreign policy and certainly never played on the front line solo prior to the past
couple of years.
I believe that the Donald's plan is to emerge with the 3 strong actors of the US, Israel and SA and everyone else aligned with
them and against Iran. It may actually work.
Of course Israel might appear to be in line with the Saudis
in order to weaken Iran and the pro palestinians.
Then after Iran were vanquished, it would take on the Saudis.
I view the agreement, not as a threat to Iran, but as an alliance agreement between three weak actors, Trump, bin Salman and
Netanyahu, who need all the friends that they can get. The rhetoric against Iran looks like their traditional positions.
Both Trump and bin Salman are each already in a war for survival with the Globalists (the clique of global elitists, whose
members include Soros, Clinton, Tony Blair, Bandar Bush, etc. and who own the U.S. Deep State, the European Union structures,
and Western media). Both Trump and bin Salman came to power after the Globalists fight against Russia (for example via the orchestrated
drop in oil prices) did serious harm to their respective countries. Both are undoing the Globalist policies. The Globalists will
continue to do everything possible to remove them from power.
Netenyahu is also no friend of the Globalists after they tried to rehabilitate Iran with the nuclear deal in order to draw
Iran away from Russia. He has also been weakened by the disastrous outcome, for him, in Syria. (Are the Globalists behind the
allegations of corruption against him?)
In this context I have difficulty to see that any of these three are in a position, or would be willing to take the risks involved,
to launch a war with Iran.
It was on October 1st that Sayed Nasrallah made his attention-getting
statement that the Zionist occupiers should go back to the
countries they came from, because if the US-Israeli command launched a war on Lebanon there would be no time for the settlers
to flee. It was a pretty dramatic escalation of warning, and almost seemed to come out of the blue, but perhaps not, if crazy
ideas like the ones in this memorandum were swirling around the region. And they are crazy ideas, all highly dubious propositions.
Jackrabbit @18 makes a point if all this is smoke for the real attack, which is against Qatar. This seems much more plausible.
Beirut-based Paul Cochrane laid out this possibility:
Behind the Saudi Troublemaking
"... the global powers would vocally oppose such a move but likely not exercise military intervention a la 1991 when Iraq invaded
Kuwait. The U.S. troops based in Qatar would just stay in their base; the Trump administration has signaled it has sided with
Riyadh, even though the State Department has been more nuanced towards Doha. As for the Turks and the Iranians, they would
not want to be brought into a conflagration with Riyadh and the ATQ. That really would tear the MENA apart.
Ultimately, there's not much to stop a Saudi gas grab. There's not much desire internationally for yet another Middle Eastern
military "adventure" following the debacles in Iraq and Libya, while nobody's lifted a finger against Saudi Arabia for its
war against Yemen. As long as Qatari gas exports remain uninterrupted, the global powers might readily accept a change of management.
Mercouris at the Duran picked this up too, and makes a decent case that Saudi could actually get away with this. It seems to
make much more sense than the appalling logistics of trying to attack either Hezbollah or Iran. And by grabbing the Qatari half
of the massive gas field shared with Iran, Saudi would have achieved an ironic taste of "parity" with its true enemy.
The question is, how possible is such a move for Saudi Arabia?
Israel's government would be foolish if it were to engage in a deal that promises them what they already have de facto and demands
that they abandon the greatest strategic advantage Israel has; the exclusive regional possession of nuclear weapons.
The most dubious part of the "Saudi plan" is that it may be good for Saudis, in some deluded princely perspective, but there is
really nothing of value for USA. Goodies for USA -- Palestinians giving up on the right of return? USA does not consider that
right seriously, so value is zero, numerically speaking (zero shows a the result if you are not using exponential notation, 10^-50).
Goodies for KSA: the status of "Grand Prince" in Golden Horde.
Golden Horde was a successor state of Mongolian empire that had supremacy over Rus among its various holdings. Rus was split
into a number of principalities ruled by princes but one of them was given the function of Grand Prince, and he collected the
taxes from all other princes and passing them to the Khan of the Horde. While the power of Grand Prince was considerable, he could
be recalled (one way ticket to the capital of the Horde).
KSA imagines having that position in the Arab (or Muslim??) words, of course without the last detail -- obligatory invitation
to D.C. with a dinner that may be wholesome, but then again, it may be poisoned. But it is much better to USA to deal with a number
of small states that do not cooperate with each other. What if a single change of power in the Kingdom is followed by a request
to close all bases? This is a type of bother that is better to prevent from even being contemplated. Mind you, Americans were
disinvited from the Kingdom in the past. Trump may trust MbS, but Pentagon does not KSA.
You forgot to mention Macron's recent surprise visit. For some reason, Macron may be on the hook to them. He was awarded with
a military contract (navy vessels) from UAE, KSA ally.
Macron on the hook? Like a hooker? But that lady has no intention to be restricted in the choice of customers. Over time, she
will have a kind word (not just words) for everyone.
It would seem Nasrallah's/Hezbollah's intel reach is quite deep. As someone commented, the plan reeks of desperation; since
it's founded on numerous falsehoods, it has no chance of success. I expect the Umma to denounce Saudi's betrayal of Palestine
regardless of what their governments say.
I wrote a couple weeks ago that because of several years of weak chief executive, the power blocks in the US were pursuing their
respective interests more independently and openly than ever (which they are); and in Arabia MbS is a power hungry Machiavellian
prince who is also naive and thus hard to predict, but who must understand that he will need allies, and those allies will likely
have an influence on him, for better or worse (which is also true). I was naturally hoping that his daddy's trip to Russia, as
his last state visit, might indicate that the king was trying to open an option for MbS to turn to Russia for support against
the CIA/State sponsored factions within SA, which might in turn lead to at least the opportunity for Russia to exert some calming
influence on the region over time.
Well, that may have been the king's thought, but obviously his son has been getting his advice from elsewhere. In the US, a
most unlikely alliance appears to have formed (at least with respect to the ME). Because of the vitriol existing between the neocons
and Trump, and the fact that the office of the president has largely been taken over by the Pentagon (which often but does not
always see eye-to-eye with the Zionist/Neocons), it was easy to overlook the growing power and influence of the Zionist worm in
the White House, Kushner.
I think Trump never had a strong foreign policy concept in his own mind--mostly boiled down to a quasi-isolationist, so he
hasn't fought hard against turning things over to the Pentagon and Kushner. It is now clear that Kushner, the US's own power hungry
prince who is eager to prove his chops in an area he has no clue in--international politics--has fallen completely into the loving
arms of Israel. It is clear now that the Trump/Kushner plans for SA are entirely a Nuttyahoo wet dream. The visit to SA, where
they were persuaded to spend $110B of money they don't really have mostly on huge numbers of THAAD and other missile defense systems
and front-line fighters. Next MbS was persuaded to confront Qatar, as any breaks in a united front against Iran must be spanked
(notice how all these events keep happening a couple days after a visit from Kushner, who is usually hot off a meeting with his
masters in Israel). Then MbS is apparently advised to go all in to remove opposition within the kingdom, which gives Trump glee
because it also punishes Hillary's friends, but also commits MbS to the path, and makes him totally reliant on Israel/Kushner
for protection (cutting RF's increasing attraction). Now the crude attempt to boil the pot in Lebanon.
So in short order there will be far more missile defenses than Riyadh needs (but exactly what Israel desires). Israel doesn't
want to be first in on a direct attack on Iran, but if there is a whole air force worth of planes with Saudi markings just waiting
for Israeli/US/Wahabi pilots to take first blood--once it's a regional war on, who will notice who's planes are attacking Iran
after that? And MbS (under careful direction) has now set up trigger points from Yemen to Qatar to Lebanon, just waiting until
the preparations are done and an event to be blamed on Iran, and away we go. Israel finally gets its wish. The good news is that
MbS has likely bitten off more than he can chew by taking on all of his internal opposition at the same time as Iran, and done
so in such a heavy handed manner that I doubt he can buy a life insurance policy. And Russia and Iran have maintained a steady
and "back seat" approach to their assistance of everyone who seems to need it--and the US and Israel have been so brazen in their
duplicity and untrustworthiness--most countries in the area (and the world) don't seem so eager to follow the US lead any more
(plus, the Pentagon is still very strong in the US executive, and I don't think they're quite so anxious to tear into Iran). So
there is hope this latest Israeli plan to drag the world into war against Iran will melt down just like it did in Syria, but who
knows how much damage will be done before it does.
And neither the US nor Israel can politically afford to lose many soldiers in a ground war. So if Saudi wants to fight against
Iran, they have to do it themselves.
MBS would have to be absolutely deranged to fight Iran directly. The KSA's regular troops are mostly foreigners from Pakistan
and other poorer nations. They are well-equipped but poorly trained. In addition, fighting wars for a country one has no stake
in makes for poor morale. They are getting their asses handed to them on a regular basis by the relatively poorly-equipped (but
highly motivated) Houthi rebels in Yemen.
It is possible that MBS is wildly deluded but I can't see him facing Iran alone. What is more likely is covert and indirect
warfare from the US and Israel with special forces and proxies (like the MEK terrorist group inside Iran and perhaps some Wahhabi
fanatics) providing boots on the ground and the whole thing backed up by USAF air power and bankrolled by MBS.
Someone mentioned that 'parity on nukes is a non-starter. That is bullshit. SA already has 85 American B-61 nukes that were delivered
to them by Israel at the time when it appeared that McStain's plan of raising an Arab Army out of Turkey would eventually defeat
Syria.
No on has ever accounted for those nukes, and I seriously doubt, that once they got their hands on them, that SA would give
them back. Matter of fact, video exists somewhere out in the ether of a SA attack on Yemenn in which one of the B-61 nukes was
used, it just happens to have 'disappeared'.
I'd say this is a non-starter. The Palestinians though may take a page out of the Zionist playbook, take the money and then
just keep fighting, after all, most of world opinion in now firmly with them.
PeacefulProsperity | Nov 14, 2017 12:25:14 PM |
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From b's report:
"The Saudi tyrant abducted the Prime Minister of Lebanon, Saad Hariri, and declared war on the country. The purpose of this
move is to remove or isolate Hizbullah, the Shia resistance of Lebanon which is allied with Iran and opposes the Saudi plans for
Palestine."
That's absurd, ridculoous, doesn't make sense at all.
Hariri is a mortal enemy of Hizb, even accused them of assassinations attempts. Saudis keeping Hariri in house arrest gives
the control of all Lebanon over to Hizb - a dream come true for them.
Add arresting plotters of 9/11 ponce Talal (also a major sponsor of Clinton/Bush criminal enterprise, CNN lies and Twitter
censorship) and ponce Bandar (a butcher of Syria) to the picture and you can see that this all turns conveniently into Russia's
advantage. Plus:
Which one is that? Over the Caspian Sea, through the Caucasus(Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey or Russia), across the Black
Sea, through Bulgarian or Turkish airspace to Greece. That would be available one time only and the fuel loads the aircraft would
have to carry would severely restrict the bomb load they could carry. Also, going by previous experience the first time any Iranian
SAM batteries locked their radar onto the Israeli aircraft, they'd dump their drop tanks and bomb loads to head out of Iranian
airspace ASAP.
Any attempt by Israel to attack Iran would be a disaster for Israel which is why the conspiracy is aimed at getting Hezbollah
to launch missiles at Israel and Iran to launch missiles at Saudi Arabia in response to a Saudi attack on Hezbollah. Then the
United States could argue that it's intervention against Hezbollah and Iran was legitimate, well at least legitimate enough satisfy
the American public and the poodles.
PeacefulProsperity | Nov 14, 2017 12:31:24 PM |
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Everything has been going well according to the Putin-Trump plan:
This is the same Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal who, together with Bill Gates, owns the Four Seasons Hotel that is located
within the 5 top floors of the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas.
That would be the same Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las Vegas that was the sight of the deadliest mass shooting in our nation's
history.
The Four Seasons Hotel-within-a-hotel boasts its own private elevators and separate entrance.
His arrest may or may not reveal more ties to the Las Vegas Massacre. But it does reveal that he's a pretty shady character.
Prince Alaweed's arrest was the result of King Salman's decree to create an anti-corruption committee chaired by his son,
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
King Salman decreed late on Saturday the creation of an anti-corruption committee chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
"
"The allegations against Prince Alwaleed include money laundering, bribery and extorting officials, one official told Reuters,
while Prince Miteb is accused of embezzlement, hiring ghost employees and awarding contracts to his own companies including
a $10 billion deal for walkie talkies and bulletproof military gear worth billions of Saudi royals."
Prince Alaweed bin Talal is also Twitter's second largest shareholder. That would be the same Twitter that allows ISIS,
Antifa and anyone who threatens to assassinate our President free reign on their platform but blocks conservative American
patriots' accounts.
Speaking of information flow-the Prince's investment company, Kingdom Holding Company, is a major shareholder in Time Warner
Cable. The same Time Warner cable that owns CNN. Oh- and they also own a major chunk of AOL that owns the Liberal multi-author
blogging platform posing as a news source-Huffpost.
Jim Murren, CEO of MGM dumped millions of dollars worth of his stocks in the weeks leading up to the massacre.
That would be the same MGM that owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel. How fortunate that he dumped his stocks before the mass shooting.
MGM Stock Selloff and Saudi Connections to Mandalay Bay Hotel.
CEO Jim Murren circulated an internal memo that stated that he would match donations to CAIR ( a terrorist organization)
and the ADL-a very anti-Trump, pro-Islamic organization. He must like Twitter.
The Saudis partnered with the MGM
Reuters reported that back in '07 Dubai World became partners with MGM.
"Dubai World, the investment holding firm of the Dubai government, will acquire a 9.5 percent stake in MGM Mirage and 50
percent of the casino operator's CityCenter development project for $5 billion."
Dubai World referred to the deal as a "long term strategic partnership."
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal hails from Saudi Arabia.
That would be the same country as the Saudi Royal Air Force-that just happened to be doing some "realistic combat training"
in Las Vegas.
From a previous post,
It may or may not be "routine," but during the month of August, from the 5th to the 28th, the Saudi Air Force booked an
entire tower of "SLS," a beleaguered Las Vegas hotel. They didn't stay there to ogle scantily clad Las Vegas women. Arrangements
were made to keep all female staff away from them. Some areas were closed to the public and pictures of females were yanked
from the walls.
The purpose was for "realistic combat training" and they're planning on making a habit of it. The Las Vegas Review Journal
reported,
"Saudi Arabia's 10th Squadron Royal Saudi Air Force will be taking part in Red Flag 17-4 at Nellis Air Force Base, according
to airwingspotter.com, a site dedicated to military aviation photography and spotting. Red Flag, combat training involving
the air, space and cyberforces of the United States and its allies, will be held Aug. 14-25.
"Depending on the year, the Royal Saudi Air Force will bring 175-210 members to these realistic combat exercises," S&K said
in the 2014 post."
Who needs a military base when you can rent a hotel? Food's better too.
Caught up in King Salman's sweep was the Commander of the Saudi Navy as well as the Minister of the National Guards. No
mention yet of the Royal Saudi Air Force.
Nuclear strike by proxy, Saudi Arabia purchased(or given) nuclear bomb(s). Temporary nuke parity.
The clown prince MbS is the perfect proxy to strike Iran.
I'm not convinced that this document is genuine because:
>> discussions with Israel about the Palestinians are unlikely to be phrased as a "final solution" with the severe negative
historical connotations of that phrase;
>> this wording is also odd: "rapprochement with Israel involves a risk to the Muslim peoples of the Kingdom" because there
is no need to make special reference to "Muslim peoples" when 99.9% of KSA is Muslim.
You are aware this is a machine translation? So unless you are fluent in Arabic and can translate the original article, your
comment has little value just like Liz Sly's and Anne Barnard's reporting from Beirut.
As for "final solution" why would an Arab be concerned since beyond the Mufti of Jerusalem, Arabs played little or no part
is the Holocaust. And the position and role of the Mufti of Jerusalem is heavily overstated by Zionists.
>> this wording is also odd: "rapprochement with Israel involves a risk to the Muslim peoples of the Kingdom" because there
is no need to make special reference to "Muslim peoples" when 99.9% of KSA is Muslim.
Firstly this could again be down to machine translation but it's more likely to be that 30% of the population of Saudi Arabia
are migrant workers so 99.9% of the population are not necessarily Muslims. If you'd bothered to check the CIA World Fact Book,
the only honest publication that the CIA produces, you would have known this.
>> The accusation that Iran engages in "organized crime and drug trafficking" seems planted. I haven't seen such a charge before.
The standard accusation (in the US) has been that Iran supports terrorism (meaning Hezbollah) and "destabilizes the region"
(meaning they don't bow to US-Israeli-Saudi masters).
You obviously haven't be paying attention to the bilge about the Tri-border region in South America. I would guess that this
is Kushner's contibution to the ploy - most Americans are deeply infected with a disease known as projection and thus assume their
enemies would act as they do because being the exceptional country everybody wants to do what Americans do. In this case with
the CIA funding their illegal activities prior to about 2001 with money raised from drug smuggling, Americans assume that is what
the Iranians are also doing which is ironic when you understand that the Iranians are fighting an existential war against drugs.
i agree with @20/21 anonymous.. this isn't a saudi plan! (The memo is signed by Adel al-Jubeir. (But who were the 'advisors'
who dictated it to him?) )
this is a memo thought up in some neo cons head - whether they are located in israel, or some washington stink tank..
@29 dh.. i agree with much of what you say, but don't you think israel/saudi/usa trio are batshit crazy enough to do something
stupid? witness their war on syria.. plenty of stupidity to continue on in the same fashion.
@18/30 jr and grieved... yes - qatar is a thorn in the side of the terrorist state saudi arabia.. nothing like another terrorist
state calling you out, lol.. one of them has to be silenced... i doubt the attack is going to be on qatar myself..
@38 j swift.. thanks.. makes sense..
@45 dognuke.. unfortunately that is true and a possibility.. the clown prince is a really unstable dude..
It should be born in mind, of course, that this is only MbS plotting. It can't be spoken of publicly in Saudi Arabia, because
the Saudi population is strongly pro-Palestinian. But all the media are owned by members of the royal family, so the population
is kept in ignorance and quiet. I don't know whether that number of al-Akhbar has been suppressed in Saudi, but this news has
sort of got out anyway, as it will be on the social media, which Saudis are dedicated to.
The fourth point is to bribe the public into accepting the plan. That'll cost a lot. And I don't think it will work. Another
risk for MbS's power.
Airbus Industries also just received a large order for A-380s from Dubai (Emirates) - since Abu Dhabi pretty much owns Dubai
after there financial troubles a few years back. it wouldn't surprise me if this was an MbZ bribe to various European countries
to look the other way when things kick off.
Military usually want some measure of surprise. If only for this reason, signaling an attack on Lebanon would seem foolish.
Unless it was a distraction.
Anyway, we then see a "leaking" of a secret Israeli cable (happens all the time, right?) that supports KSA's anti-Lebanon
stance. Hmm... K.
Now we have another leak(!) that implicitly explains Israel's support of KSA as part of a larger "peace deal" (really a
"war deal", isn't it?) that includes a betrayal of the Palestinians. Yeah that betrayal makes it totally believable, sure/sarc
- but parity on nukes?!?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14, 2017 9:43:39 AM | 22
Palestine is a dead duck anyhow...
That's what the western MSM with support from Israel, Gulf governments and some Islamists want you to believe. Elsewhere it's
still an important issue but US pressure means that many are reluctant to speak out but not
Celtic
supporters
"This US-Israeli-Saudi-UAE project is, at bottom, an attempt to overturn reality, no less – it is rooted in a denial of the
setback suffered by these states by their multiple failures to shape a New Middle East in the western mode. Now, in the wake of
their failure in Syria – in which they went to the limits in search of victory – they seek another spin of the roulette wheel
– in the hope of recouping all their earlier losses. It is, to say the least, a capricious hope."
It is hard to see how they would go about attackiung Iran unless it is just a quick strike/raid and then they all go home again.
For the US, military cargo planes with backloads of US boots neatly packaged in body bags is not acceptable.
Trump wants US to be a major energy exporter, but oil prices must go up to get fracking viable in a big way. A play to bump up
oil prices? Another option is Trump and Kushner playing MBS to get Aramco listed in the US and prevent China from puchasing the
full offering.
@50 Thank you james for agreeing with my thoughtful and erudite post but unfortunately it was written by one of the other dh s.
I've pretty much retired.
To answer your question....yes I think Israel and Saudis are crazy but maybe not crazy enough to strike Iran without a green
light from Washington.
Given the first demand: "First: The Saudis demand a "parity of the relationship" between Israel and Saudi Arabia. On the military
level they demand that either Israel gives up on its nuclear weapons or Saudi Arabia is itself allowed to acquire such." This
entire plan/proposal IMO is a nonstarter because of this initial and presumably most important (it is #1)requirement and whoever
wrote it/approved it knew it.
@dh... that is interesting as i was surprised at the longer post by you.. now it makes sense!
i guess they will have to work on a false flag before they get the green light from washington... iran won't do something stupid..
that is reserved for the clown prince/nutjob duo at this point..
@62 A false flag will require a substantial number of US fatalities. Thinking back to the US boat that 'strayed' into Iranian
waters some time ago wonder how Donald would handle something similar. Those sailors or whatever they were got soundly humiliated
but released unhurt. Hardly a casus belli.
The problem with this idea is that Turkey has already instituted a blocking action by placing Turkish forces in Qatar in response
to the original Saudi threat. While the contingent was small, approximately one thousand men, the message was quite clear - hands
off. Any move by the Saudis or their allies risks Turkish retaliation. it's a no-go zone.
Regarding the Saudi military, as pointed out, they are out of troops.
They could not get Egyptians to fight in Yemen or Syria, nor could they get the Pakistanis to fight on their side in either war.
They are desperate.
A war on Qatar would be to ignite Turkey and Iran's support for Qatar, and thus the Israeli-US coalition could punish both
those nations, a goal the US would enjoy doing.
The aim is to regain Hegemony over the ME. The Russia-Iran-Turkey alliance has pushed the US aside, if not away. Whatever allows
the US to hurt Russia by striking Turkey and Iran would be the goal, and Israel would benefit along with the US.
It would be an air war and the US and Israel would win it.
It isn't about Saudi goals and needs. It's about the Hegemon and Jr. Hegemon in Tel Aviv.
If it remains an air war, the probability is that US/Israel would overwhelm
at the beginning of a combined attack unless defenses are upgraded.
However, if in view of the probability of war, Russia were to rush AA
systems to Syria and Iran, the probability that substantial air forces
would be decimated is high. The US forces would certainly be pummeled
in their bases around the Gulf and their naval forces in the Gulf sunk
with the numerous Iran assets in the region.
Without resorting to nukes, the US is probably not going to win because
it cannot field sufficient boots on the ground in Iran. And remember, the
stakes are high for China to get its fuel from somewhere and the US will
have to take this into account. Depriving China of its needed fuel is no
laughing matter.
They are in Djibouti for a reason.
I believe Israel is trying to chew too big a bone. It will choke.
This was originally proposed as a "one-off" bombing route. ie. via the Med to cross (at that time Turkey) Now could cross Greek
airspace (would need NATO laisser-passer"). Caspian to Azerbaijan. (Has close links with Israel and just tried out an Israeli
suicide drone on Armenia for a "client"). From there a short hop to Iran. Fueling over greek airspace.
Return route, nowadays, would be via Saudi Arabia (plus refueling and no need to go any further). It's actually easier than a
few years ago.
The second para I agree with.
.....
General opinion.
Palestine. The single state AND the two state solution have probably been junked by Israel. Neither of the alternatives gives
an ethnically pure "Jewish" state. So what to do with them? At the moment the Palestinians are being dispossesed (of land, houses),
forcibly displaced (at the moment the focus is on the Jordan Valley and Bedouin villages anywhere). They are put in "camps" where
they are subject to daily harassment and destruction of living amenities (including water). The desired effect is ethnic cleansing
(a la Serbia). Gaza is a humanitarian disaster - under-developed children suffer stunting - and as well the IDF concentrate on
children as it is easy to make them submit.
Where could they go? . Jordan - doesn't want them, as they would make up the majority, and put in peril the stability of the
country.
Egypt - doesn't want them either.
"Gulf" countries - you must be joking, many are already minorities in their own countries. (Abu Dhabi,)
Leaves the neighbours, Lebanon, Syria and the EU (via Turkey?).
EU - Soros is taking care of that and destroying national unity at the same time.
Lebanon. Over-populated by refugees already.
Syria - Too many displaced persons, plus Palestinian refugee camps.
Maybe Israel imagines the solution is to force them on the latter two countries by means of military action as they won't take
them voluntarily.
Sorry for using dh. Didn't realize that it was already taken.
I think that the real war, right now, is between the Globalists and Trump/MBS. Trump and MBS are both fighting for their survival.
I can't see how attacking Iran would help them, quite the opposite.
@66 The Globalists want Hegemony over the ME. I'm not sure that Trump does. However, the Globalists first priority is to regain
control over the U.S. (i.e. impeach Trump), and then continue their war with Russia. I can't see how driving Turkey and Iran into
Russia's hands will help them either to tame Russia or to reassert Hegemony over the ME.
I think people here - and the KSA for that matter too - need to know that attacking and invading Iran won't be at the same (lower)
scale as attacking and invading Lebanon, Qatar, Syria and even Iraq. These countries are flat and a major part of their territories
is desert. Their populations are not that great either - the largest is Iraq with about 35 million.
Iran on the other hand is mostly mountainous (especially in its west and south) and its population reached 81 million some
time in October 2017. An attack on Iran from the west is going to need foot soldiers to be effective. Where will Israel, the US
or the KSA stump up the armies needed to invade Iran? Using ISIS and al Qaida / Jabhat al Nusra failed.
If an invasion comes from the east, how will Afghanistan (chaotic?) and Pakistan be brought on board to allow their use of
airspace for air attacks?
A third option would be to stage air and naval attacks from India. That might be plausible if India under Narendra Modi and
the BJP is friendly towards Israel and the US.
A number of thoughts comes to mind.
1) Divide and conquer
2) The Enemy of my enemy is my friend
3) Do as I say, not as I do
4) You are either with us or with the terrorists
5) Birds of a Fascist feather flock together
As to the "not in my name" shirt and withdrawal from the machine, it won't happen.
Remember the analogy about the frog in the water that will start to boil? No frog would ever do that. It is humans who threw the
frog into the pot and watched.
Karma can be a nasty bitch. It has transformed humanity into a frog and the masses will be boiled.
To implement change, people would have to turn off the propaganda hammering down on them from all sides. But that won't happen.
People are programmed to believe the lies they are dished out. No de-programming - no change.
Americans and their Fascist alies will have to go through their own collapsing 4th Reich.
And of course: Support your troops. Sell everything and donate the money to the MIC. Because they will come for it anyways. Only
in a Fascist country, warriors are elevated over any civil person. This morning at court: people congratulating a father because
his son just joined the troops.
Reject anything the parasites in the legislative tell you. Like George Carlin said: "I never believe what the government tells
me."
End of story.
Spend as much time as you can with your loved ones. The Motherearthfuckers are about to turn the heat on. And it is already way
too hot here.
US President Donald Trump has said that heavy sanctions imposed on Russia should not become a barrier to future friendly cooperation
between the two nations, adding that cordial international relations would be likely to help resolve the North Korean threat
and many other global issues.
How noble and considerate of Trump. "Vlad, my friend, I know we are waging economic warfare on your people, surrounding your
borders with nukes and want to take over and "regime change" your country. But, hey, never mind all that stuff and let us be friends!
Then you can help us do to other sovereign nations what we are doing to you."
Touching, very touching It raises the question: What "many other global issues" is Trump trying to solve? Climate change, perhaps?
Ending the war in Yemen? Rapprochement with Iran? Curbing corporate and Israeli influence in American elections and foreign policy?
Peaceful Prosperity...you are not still holding a candle for this duplicitous shitbag, are you?
Just my 2 cents but it seems to me the real target has always been Russia, more specifically Gazprom, why not just take control
of Qatar and their gas field which is also Irans gas field as well, which correct me if I'm wrong could be completely controlled/exploited
from Qatar without anyone having to step foot into Iran, couple this with limited strikes on Irans gas infrastructure in the name
of removing their ability to be "evildoers" and before you know it Aramaco, which now controls a third plus of the world's nat
gas is listed on the NY exchange and it still only accepts dollars. Wonder what countries that pipeline would pass through...
I am a new poster to this board. I've tried twice to post something and the message said it was posted successfully, but it is
not visible in the comments section. Is there some mediator process that it has to go through first, or is there something else
that I need to do? (I left the email and url boxes empty; could that be the issue?)
The way in which this plays out is almost pre-ordained.
There is no way that a formal, signed document will exist that states that when-you-shaft-Palestine then we-will-attack-Iran.
What will happen instead is that Trump will broker that "understanding" between Israel and Saudi Arabia. A nod and a wink,
and maybe even a handshake.
But the Israelis will insist that the Saudis have to do that Palestine-shafting first, and in The Most Public Way Possible
so that the House of Saud can't take it back. Trump will say that this is reasonable, and the dumb-ass Saudis will mull over it
then say "OK, sure, if the Yanks vouch for you then so will we".
The Saudis will then dump on Abbas.
The USA will then heap congratulations on the Saudis.
The Israelis will shout Yipeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Palestinians will descend into a deep despair.
And then...... [sound of crickets chirping].
Saudi: Hey, when are you going to attack Iran?
Israel: We're working on it. Give us time.
USA: Hey, I thought we had an understanding!
Israel: We do, this takes a lot of planning.
[crickets]
[crickets]
[crickets]
Saudi: What gives, guys?
USA: When are you were going to attack Iran?
Israel: We changed our mind. Bite me.
Let's get real here: the Israelis have a track-record of "agreeing" to a quid-pro-quo, then immediately pocketing the "quid"
while somehow, some way, never actually getting around to delivering on the "quo"
The Saudis will shaft the Palestinians.
The Israelis will then shaft the Saudis.
The Americans will fume (in private) but ultimately do nothing and say nothing.
And years later there will be an off-mike recording of Netanyahu boasting about how he f**ked over the Saudis, and gleefully
explain that the reason why he could do that is because the Americans are at least as dumb-ass stoooooopid as, well, a Saudi Clown
Prince.
Sorry if some one has mentioned this already, but Jerusalem belongs neither to the Palestinains or the Israelis. It belongs to
Jordan and Jordan is it's designated protector just as the freaks in KSA are the protectors of Mecca and Medena. The NATO countries
on orders of Israel have burred the Palestinian cause. But if the children running the US and KSA tried giving the third holiest
site in Islam (and likely the most important heritage site in the world) to the Jews so they could blow it up to build a Jewsih
temple on top of it ,the back lash among the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world would be immense. Not to mention basically righting
off international law in it's entirety. China, Russia and the EU would never allow it.serious
It has been obvious for years that Bibi and the KSA have have been cooking this up but it wasn't till last year they had any
one stupid enough in the White House to try and take a run at it. If you want total war in the Middle East this is how you acheave
it. The outcome will be a Palestinian state. Whether there will be a Jewish one if this is tried is up for debate.
Wonder what countries that pipeline would pass through...
Posted by: Joe | Nov 14, 2017 4:55:50 PM | 73
It's a source of not only bewilderment, but also amusement, that there are people so dumb/dishonest (delete as applicable)
that after all we have seen in the last few years, even just what we have seen in the last few weeks, that still pretend/think/pretend-to-think
that this has something to do with pipelines?
Seriously, would all you "It's the pipelines, stoopid!" gobshites kindly just stfu.
A dumber more gullible bunch of eejits would be hard to find
Typepad insists on a viable email address - not your real one just a viable one whose mail server will respond to a call. mailinatorDOTcom
(remove the DOT & replace with . to visit) is one of many spam dodging sites which will enable a poster to post here, plus let
you use it to sign up to all sorts of BBs forums etc. They have a rotating list of email server suggestions. otherwise joblo(or
whatever) at gmail will do the trick most times.
Another plan to get the US to fight another war that benefits zionists, this time against Iran. I wonder who is in the role of
Lord Balfour.
I like the idea of an independent religious Jerusalem city, I doubt either party will go for it. The same goes for an Israeli
agreement for nuke parity with Saudis or a single open state for Palestinians. While many Palestinians want their own state and
even some in Israel want this (including some Shin Bet officials) there are others who say it is too late due to the proliferation
of settlements in West Bank. These others (like Miko Peled) say a single state as the only option left. It seems to be a very
convoluted (Rube Goldberg?) solution to getting a united front to attack Iran and "solve" the Palestinian issue.
Video evidence of tactical weapons used in Yemen and other conflicts:
I doubt it, they all look like large conventional explosions to me.
The ones in Ukraine are from a detonation of a large weapons dump while the Saudis managed to hit a rocket manufacturing plant
in Yemen that resulted in a very large explosion.
Thanks for the link, CarlD. I think it entirely possible that 'tactical nukes" have been used. I would expect that at some point,
a credible, government-tied group will report that these weapons have been used. This will serve to normalize their use in the
future. People will feel that since they'd been used already, and we all survived, that using them again will not be so horrifying/dangerous.
More and more I'm thinking that humanity has reached the end of our rope, and we will have deserved it when the trapdoor finally
springs.
Mina @64. BBC is running that same "video game" story. In fact, on their Middle East News page earlier, they had both this and
their "expose" of the US helping ISIL escape arrangement.
I hadn't even considered the aspect of that gas trading in dollars. Now there's a resource grab the US could really like.
I'm not actually at the point of thinking anything will happen, anywhere. There are simply no geopolitical advantages in any
of the plays being mooted.
But there actually does seem at first glance to be some potentially cost-effective gain in plundering Qatar. Kind of wish no
one had thought of it - I'd much rather see a cooperation develop between Iran and Qatar, the way it recently started to look
like it might go.
As to your getting trolled, I will say that with what I've seen in the last few years, even with what I've seen in just the
last few weeks, there's nothing I've ever encountered anywhere that says it's NOT the pipelines.
RE: Daniel | Nov 14, 2017 7:46:39 PM | 85, CarlD | Nov 14, 2017 1:36:09 PM | 56
I agree with Ghostship, no nukes have been used. The thermal signature from a nuclear detonation is unmistakable, it is many,
many orders of magnitude greater than produced by a conventional explosive. Not to mention the by-products of fission, which are
always produced by a nuke and are always detectable.
You will know when a nuke is used, believe me.
Joe / Grieved
Best to discount nothing. Qatar gas the target? Quite possible. Pipelines for Qatar or in Joes theory, Saudi gas. Again possible.
Most depends on what Trump is behind the facade. The facade is the simple minded buffoon that makes a decision on what he has
last seen on Fox news. What he has just pulled off with MBS...
My thoughts on Trump at the moment, what is real and not facade. He wants to return the US to the power is was post WWII and through
the cold war era. Manufacturing power ect. The big thing, prevent China from overtaking US economicaly which would also mean overtaking
the US in science tech and military. Hence the many meetings with Kissinger earlier, Kissinger meeting Putin ect.
Trump needs to seperate Russia and China. Russia is no threat to the US whereas economicaly China is the only threat the US faces
(apart from itself).
Back to making America great again and gas. Saudi Arabia has oil (supposedly) and US has shale gas. Oil and gas are complementary
to each oither rather than competitors. Gas prices are basicaly set by oil prices. The main competitors to US shale is Russian
gas and Pars, both of which can be piped to where the gas is in demand. In my reading of Trump, which may not be right, Pars would
have to be either US controlled/owned or unable to pipe gas.
The option there I guess is joint US Saudi control of pars.
I would agree that it would be impossible to mistake a powerful hydrogen bomb for any sort of conventional bomb. That's not
what is being proposed here, though.
Do you know about the "Davy Crocket" mini-nuke from the 1950s?
Those were even carried in backpacks by the 1950s version of Special Ops soldiers. Since then, fission-fusion hybrid, mini-hydrogen
and neutron bombs have been made. As I'm sure you'd agree, military technology is always far beyond what the public is allowed
to know.
Like today's B61-12, the Davy Crockets could be dialed to produce explosions of greatly varying power.
So, the range of even publicly known nuclear weapons is pretty great. Some of the explosions recorded in the past few years
can be clearly seen as INCREASING in power as the explosion progresses. Though not impossible in some sort of thermobaric bomb,
that is a signature of many nuclear bombs.
I don't buy this at face value. I suspect MBS used the threat of war on Lebanon as a distraction from his counter coup. The possibility
of battle with Iran is a fear factor he exploits to stop a revolt against him.
The leaked plan and leaked Israeli wire to its embassies are both quite suspicious. Its possible the Israelis are helping MBS.
It's just as possible that MBS' foes in Saudi, or the CIA, are leaking these things to embarrass MBS. All are in fact embarrassing
to MBS. I don't know but everything about this is surreal. For all we know MBS' moves are just an aid to finish the counter coup
and to drive up oil prices. Saudi needs cash. We should expect the very wealthy Saudi opposition to strike back in the media,
and it's possible the intelligence community and state department support different sides here.
To enable LNG, Kushner's army [US_I:SA] has been designed to colonize the Syria:Russian: Yemen:Qatar:Iran:Libya (SRYQIL) oil,
gas competition, so that LNG can be port to port marketed. All eyes on LNG.
The Israelis might be willing to discuss this - maybe - but only if those discussions are "decoupled" from the issue of the
Saudis altering the 2003 Saudi Peace Initiative so that Israel gets everything it wants, while the only thing the Palestinians
get is their marching orders.
The Israelis will then pocket that neutered Saudi Peace Initiative (in essence, it would become the Netanyahu Land Grab Initiative,
with the Saudis in the role of stenographer) and then proceed to endlessly delay, deflect and derail any negotiations towards
a Middle East Nuclear Free Zone.
Something for nothing, which MbS ending up holding that Big Ol' Bag Of Nothin'.
LNG port to port is not competitive with Russian piped gas. From what I can see, US needs to either ensure they have control
of alternative piped gas, or try and shut down pipes so they can flog shale LNG.
b's post here is articulate and cogent as ever and I cast no aspersion at him or fellow commenters. However, as far as I'm concerned
the KSA-Israel drawing up these "accords" is all a pile of sabre-rattling and poseurism crap.
Anything touched by the KSA is a pile of B.S. e.g. the Qatar ultimatum. Anything said by Israel fits the purpose at the time
if it varies with their expansionist/farengi code of conduct.
The only way I see any of this playing out is an interlocking web of extortion that compels the two weaker parties to conform
to the will of the stronger, in my opinion Israel.
Who knows if Lebanon will cower under the threat but if the Iranian alliance bares its teeth, let's remember that their reach
is likely global and likely already in place at key targets. The stupidity of launching a shooting war in the ME with Iran and
Israel involved does not mean that someone will not dance the situation right up to the brink.
It's the Asian thrust we should consider, from China to Turkey via Russia. I would guess, and only guess, that Russia and China
would most likely wait it out and pick up the pieces during ending credits, or become minimally involved only to prevent a breakout.
Can't assume anything here.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the US/KSA/IZ trio throws everything into beating Iran only to have another player open a play
to seize the Pacific? Pretty wild.
I reckon you're correct Stumpy. Over the years there have been many "amerika will attack Iran" scares - all have passed by
without major incident despite the concerns of MoA-ites that "anything could happen in the next two hours"
It is highly likely that eventually some greedy opportunist with a hat size about 4 times larger than his dick measurement will
eventually have a crack at taking down Iran, but I don't reckon we're anywhere near that point yet.
As far as 'world peace' & justice for suffering indigenous people goes, today I'm much more concerned about events in Zimbabwe.
Hopefully the military is acting out in order to protect the socialist revolution from greedies & nepotists, and not using the
occasion of President Mugabe's age disorders to subvert the revolution by aiding africacom and the world bank oecd mob to boost
the amerikan empire's consumption of one of the few remaining independent sovereign entities still surviving on this old rock.
Whatever does happen in Zimbabwe over the next week, few will be paying much interest whilst corporate media distracts so many
with tall tales of the dissolute instincts of poor people everywhere.
Utter nonsense! Large scale conventional; exploding tightly stacked munitions in a large ammo dump by means of sympathetic
detonation. Large quantities of explosives going off must create a mushroom cloud - this is gas dynamics. Afterburning in the
rising cloud results from hot oxygen-deficient stythe mixing with air which in return helps sustaining the upward momentum of
the plume.
This pivotal agreement allowed KSA to secretly recycle its surplus petrodollars back into US
Treasuries while receiving US military protection in exchange. The secret was kept for 41
years, only recently revealed in 2016 due to a Bloomberg FOIA request:
The basic framework was strikingly simple. The U.S. would buy oil from Saudi Arabia and
provide the kingdom military aid and equipment. In return, the Saudis would plow billions of
their petrodollar revenue back into Treasuries and finance America's spending.
It took several discreet follow-up meetings to iron out all the details, Parsky said. But at
the end of months of negotiations, there remained one small, yet crucial, catch: King Faisal
bin Abdulaziz Al Saud demanded the country's Treasury purchases stay "strictly secret,"
according to a diplomatic cable obtained by Bloomberg from the National Archives database.
"Buying bonds and all that was a strategy to recycle petrodollars back into the U.S.," said
David Ottaway, a Middle East fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington.
But politically, "it's always been an ambiguous, constrained relationship."
The essence of this deal is pretty simple. KSA wanted to be able to sell its oil to its then
largest buyer, the USA, while also having a safe place to park the funds, plus receive military
protection to boot. But it didn't want anybody else, especially its Arab neighbors, to know
that it was partnering so intimately with the US who, in turn, would be supporting Israel. That
would have been politically incendiary in the Middle East region, coming as it did right on the
heels of the Yom Kipper War (1973).
As for the US, it got the oil it wanted and – double bonus time here – got KSA
to recycle the very same dollars used to buy that oil back into Treasuries and contracts for US
military equipment and training.
Sweet deal.
Note that this is yet another secret world-shaping deal successfully kept out of the media
for over four decades. Yes Virginia, conspiracies do happen. Secrets can be (and are routinely)
kept by hundreds, even thousands, of people over long stretches of time.
Since that key deal was struck back in the early 1970s, the KSA has remained a steadfast
supporter of the US and vice versa. In return, the US has never said anything substantive about
KSA's alleged involvement in 9/11 or its grotesque human and women's rights violations. Not a
peep.
Until recently.
Then Things Started To Break Down
In 2015, King Salman came to power. Things began to change pretty quickly, especially once
he elevated his son Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) to a position of greater power.
Among MBS's first acts was to directly involve KSA into the Yemen civil war, with both
troops on the ground and aerial bombings. That war has killed thousands of civilians while
creating a humanitarian crisis that includes the largest modern-day outbreak of cholera, which
is decimating highly populated areas. The conflct, which is considered a 'proxy war' because
Iran is backing the Houthi rebels while KSA is backing the Yemeni government, continues to this
day.
Then in 2016, KSA threatened to dump its $750 billion in (stated) US assets in response to a
bill in Congress that would have released sensitive information implicating Saudi Arabia's
involvement in 9/11. Then-president Obama had to fly over there to smooth things out. It seems
the job he did was insufficient; because KSA-US relations unraveled at an accelerating pace
afterwards. Mission NOT accomplished, it would seem.
In 2017, KSA accused Qatar of nefarious acts and made such extraordinary demands that an
outbreak of war nearly broke out over the dispute. The Qatari leadership later accused KSA of
fomenting 'regime change', souring the situation further. Again, Iran backed the Qatar
government, which turned this conflict into another proxy battle between the two main regional
Arab superpowers.
In parallel with all this, KSA was also supporting the mercenaries (aka "rebels" in western
press) who were seeking to overthrow Assad in Syria -- yet another proxy war between KSA and
Iran. It's been an open secret that, during this conflict, KSA has been providing support to
some seriously bad terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda, ISIS and other supposed enemies of
the US/NATO. (Again, the US has never said 'boo' about that, proving that US rhetoric against
"terrorists" is a fickle construct of political convenience, not a moral matter.)
Once Russia entered the war on the side of Syria's legitimate government, the US and KSA
(and Israel) lost their momentum. Their dreams of toppling Assad and turning Syria into another
failed petro-state like they did with Iraq and Libya are not likely to pan out as hoped.
But rather than retreat to lick their wounds, KSA's King Salman and his son are proving to
be a lot nimbler than their predecessors.
Rather than continue a losing battle in Syria, they've instead turned their energies and
attention to dramatically reshaping KSA's internal power structures:
Saudi Arabia's Saturday Night Massacre
For nearly a century, Saudi Arabia has been ruled by the elders of a royal family that now
finds itself effectively controlled by a 32-year-old crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman. He
helms the Defense Ministry, he has extravagant plans for economic development, and last week
arranged for the arrest of some of the most powerful ministers and princes in the country.
A day before the arrests were announced, Houthi tribesmen in Yemen but allied with Iran,
Saudi Arabia's regional rival, fired a ballistic missile at Riyadh.
The Saudis claim the missile came from Iran and that its firing might be considered "an act
of war."
Saudi Arabia was created between the two world wars under British guidance. In the 1920s, a
tribe known as the Sauds defeated the Hashemites, effectively annexing the exterior parts of
Saudi Arabia they did not yet control. The United Kingdom recognized the Sauds' claim shortly
thereafter. But since then, the Saudi tribe has been torn by ambition, resentment and intrigue.
The Saudi royal family has more in common with the Corleones than with a Norman Rockwell
painting.
The direct attack was undoubtedly met with threats of a coup. Whether one was actually
planned didn't matter. Mohammed Bin Salman had to assume these threats were credible since so
many interests were under attack. So he struck first, arresting princes and ex-minsters who
constituted the Saudi elite. It was a dangerous gamble. A powerful opposition still exists, but
he had no choice but to act. He could either strike as he did last Saturday night, or allow his
enemies to choose the time and place of that attack. Nothing is secure yet, but with this
strike, there is a chance he might have bought time. Any Saudi who would take on princes and
clerics is obviously desperate, but he may well break the hold of the financial and religious
elite.
This 32 year-old prince, Mohammed bin Salman has struck first and deep, completely upending
the internal power dynamics of Saudi Arabia.
He's taken on the political, financial and religious elites head on. For example, pushing
through the decision to allow women to drive; a provocative move designed to send a clear
message to the clerics who might oppose him. That message is: "I'm not fooling around
here."
This is a classic example of how one goes about purging the opposition when either taking
over a government after a coup, or implementing a big new strategy at a major corporation. You
have to remove any possible opponents and then install your own loyalists. According the
Rules for Rulers ,
you do this by diverting a portion of the flow of funds to your new backers while diminishing,
imprisoning or killing all potential enemies.
So far, Mohammed bin Salman's action plan is par for the course. No surprises.
The above article from Stratfor (well worth reading in its entirety) continues with these
interesting insights:
The Iranians have been doing well since the nuclear deal was signed in 2015. They have
become the dominant political force in Iraq . Their support for the Bashar Assad regime in
Syria may not have been enough to save him, but Iran was on what appears to be the winning side
in the Syrian civil war. Hezbollah has been hurt by its participation in the war but is
reviving, carrying Iranian influence in Lebanon at a time when Lebanon is in crisis after the
resignation of its prime minister last week.
The Saudis, on the other hand, aren't doing as well. The Saudi-built anti-Houthi coalition
in Yemen has failed to break the Houthi-led opposition. And Iran has openly entered into an
alliance with Qatar against the wishes of the Saudis and their ally, the United Arab
Emirates.
Iran seems to sense the possibility of achieving a dream: destabilizing Saudi Arabia ,
ending its ability to support anti-Iranian forces, and breaking the power of the Sunni
Wahhabis. Iran must look at the arrests in Saudi Arabia as a very bad move. And they may be.
Mohammad bin Salman has backed the fundamentalists and the financial elite against the
wall.
They are desperate, and now it is their turn to roll the dice. If they fall short, it could
result in a civil war in Saudi Arabia. If Iran can hit Riyadh with missiles, the crown prince's
opponents could argue that the young prince is so busy with his plans that he isn't paying
attention to the real threat. For the Iranians, the best outcome is to have no one come out on
top.
This would reconfigure the geopolitics of the Middle East, and since the U.S. is deeply
involved there, it has decisions to make.
So given Yemen, Syria, and its recent domestic purges, Saudi Arabia is in turmoil. It's in a
far weaker position than it was a short while ago.
This leaves the US in a far weaker regional position, too, at precisely the time when China
and Russia are increasing their own presence (which we'll get to next).
But first we have to discuss what might happen if a civil war were to engulf Saudi Arabia.
The price of oil would undoubtedly spike. In turn, that would cripple the weaker countries,
companies and households around the world that simply cannot afford a higher oil price. And
there's a lot of them.
Financial markets would destabilize as long-suppressed volatility would explode higher,
creating horrific losses across the board. That very few investors are mentally or financially
prepared for such carnage is a massive understatement.
So..if you were Saudi Arabia, in need of helpful allies after being bogged down in an
unwinnable war in Yemen, just defeated in a proxy war in Syria, and your longtime 'ally', the
US, is busy pumping as much of its own oil as it can, what would you do?
Pivot To
China
Given its situation, is it really any surprise that King Salman and his son have decided to
pivot to China? In need of a new partner that would align better with their current and future
interests, China is the obvious first choice.
So in March 2017, only a very short while after Obama's failed visit, a large and
well-prepared KSA entourage accompanied King Salman to Beijing and inked tens of billions in
new business deals:
China, Saudi Arabia eye $65 billion in deals as king visits
Mar 16, 2017
BEIJING (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's King Salman oversaw the signing of deals worth as much as
$65 billion on the first day of a visit to Beijing on Thursday, as the world's largest oil
exporter looks to cement ties with the world's second-largest economy.
The deals included a memorandum of understanding (MoU) between giant state oil firm Saudi
Aramco and China North Industries Group Corp (Norinco), to look into building refining and
chemical plants in China.
Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC) and Sinopec, which already jointly run a chemical
complex in Tinajin, also agreed to develop petrochemical projects in both China and Saudi
Arabia.
Salman told Xi he hoped China could play an even greater role in Middle East affairs, the
ministry added.
Deputy Chinese Foreign Minister Zhang Ming said the memorandums of understanding and letters
of intent were potentially worth about $65 billion, involving everything from energy to
space.
This was a very big deal in terms of Middle East geopolitics. It shook up many decades of
established power, resulting in a shift away from dependence on America.
The Saudis arrived in China with such a huge crowd in tow that a reported 150 cooks had been
brought along to just to feed everyone in the Saudi visitation party.
The resulting deals struck involved everything from energy to infrastructure to information
technology to space. And this was just on the first visit. Quite often a brand new trade
delegation event involves posturing and bluffing and feeling each other out; not deals being
struck. So it's clear that before the visit, well before, lots and lots of deals were being
negotiated and terms agreed to so that the thick MOU files were ready to sign during the actual
visit.
The scope and size of these business deals are eye catching, but the real clincher is King
Salman's public statement expressing hope China will play " an even greater role in Middle East
affairs."
That, right there, is the sound of the geopolitical axis-tilting. That public statement
tells us everything we need to know about the sort of change the Salman dynasty intends to
pursue.
So it should have surprised no one to hear that, in August this year, another
$70 billion of new deals were announced between China and KSA . The fanfare extolled that
Saudi-Sino relations had entered a new era, with "the agreements covering investment, trade,
energy, postal service, communications, and media."
This is a very rapid pace for such large deals. If KSA and China were dating, they'd be
talking about moving in together already. They're clearly at the selecting furniture and carpet
samples stage.
As for the US? It seems KSA isn't even returning its calls or texts at this point.
You
Ain't Seen Nothing Yet...
All of the above merely describes how we arrived at where things stand today.
But as mentioned, the power grab underway in KSA by Mohammed bin Salman is unfolding in
real-time. Developments are happening hourly -- while writing this, the very high-profile
Prince Bandar bin Sultan (recent head of Saudi Intelligence and former longtime ambassador to
the US)
has been arrested .
The trajectory of events is headed in a direction that may well end the arrangement that has
served as the axis around which geopolitics has spun for the past 40 years. The Saudis want new
partners, and are courting China hard.
China, for reasons we discuss in Part 2 of this report, has an existential need to supplant
America as Saudi Arabia's most vital oil customer.
And both Saudi Arabia and China are inking an increasing number of strategic oil deals with
Russia. Why? We get into that in Part 2, too -- but suffice it to say, in the fast-shifting
world of KSA foreign policy, it's China and Russia 'in', US 'out'.
Maybe not all the way out, but the US clearly has lost a lot of ground with KSA over the
past few years. My analysis is that by funding an insane amount of shale oil development, at a
loss, and at any cost (such as to our biggest Mideast ally) the US has time and again displayed
that our 'friendship' does not run very deep. In a world where loyalty counts, the US has
proved a disloyal partner. Can China position itself to be perceived of as a better mate? When
it comes to business, I believe the answer is 'yes.'
In Part
2: The Oil Threat we couple these developments with China and Russia's recent efforts to
drop the dollar from trade, especially when purchasing oil, and clearly see the unfolding of
the biggest new driver of the world's financial, monetary and geopolitical arrangements in 50
years.
We also explain why, unless something very dramatically changes in either the supply or
demand equation for oil, and soon, we can now put a timeline in place for when the great
unraveling begins. Somewhere between the second half of 2018 and the end of 2019 oil will
dramatically increase in price and that will shake the foundations of the global mountain of
debt and its related underfunded liabilities. Think 9.0 on the financial Richter scale.
Let me be blunt - you have to have your preparations done before this happens. You really,
really want to be a year early on this (at least). When it starts happening, the breakdown will
progress faster than you can react.
The reason that the world is moving towards China this fast, it's because of Trump.
Trump is too radical, and that's why these nations are running for the exit.
"Trump's policies are taking a whole bunch of countries that were already worried about
America's commitment to lead and America's commitment to its alliances. China also wants to
be seen now as promoting globalization, promoting free trade, particularly for countries in
Asia that don't want to count on the U.S." -- Ian Bremmer
Wot about Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales, Don Rumsfeld, G.W.B., Weapons of Mass Destruction
in Iraq, Colin Powell, John Bolton, Condaleza Rice, Samantha Powers, Kagan, Susan Rice,
Hilary Clinton, Clinton Foundation, noecons, McCain, Lindsey Graham, Phil Gramm, TBTF
You seem to know the difference, a very basic one at that but the author does not.
"In 2017, KSA accused Qatar of nefarious acts and made such extraordinary demands that an
outbreak of war nearly broke out over the dispute. The Qatari leadership later accused KSA of
fomenting 'regime change', souring the situation further. Again, Iran backed the Qatar
government, which turned this conflict into another proxy battle between the two main
regional Arab superpowers."
Iran is Arab? I don't think so.
I tend to be skeptical when I see "breathless enthusiasm" touting the sky is falling
geopolitically (which it always is ) and then the "Iran is Arabs" thing just killed it for
me.
Oh well. I apologize for nit-picking and will get some popcorn.
"the kingdom also provides with full enthusiasm 20 percent of the cost of Hillary
Clinton's campaign,"
-- Prince Mohammed bin Salman, 2016
The Clinton Foundation, which is chaired by both Hillary and her husband Bill Clinton,
disclosed in 2008 that it had accepted up to US$25 million from the Saudi Kingdom in the same
year.
Other foreign governments who have donated money to the Clintons include Norway, Kuwait,
Qatar, Brunei, Oman, Italy and Jamaica, which together donated around US$20 million.
Now I see the big picture. The fuse to the mother of all "Truth bombs" as Bill Holter
coined has just been lit and the fuse is short. Until now I personally never really saw the
Rockefeller- Langley clan and its comrades all getting cleaned out with the fall of Petro
Dollar. But it is the only way. And with that the NY Fed as Dudley knows will lose its narco
money and means to support the dollar and its terror on mankind. The fall of Petro Dollar is
the only means to the end of the evil and the evil doers of the last 40 years perpetrated by
the psychopaths using the petro dollar as its fuel to the weapon of mass destruction. Alice
in Wonderland America is about to go Mad Max.
The 1 hour Perpetual Asset interview "The Saudi Straw That Broke the Petro Dollar's Back"
with Jim Willie on October 10 is well worth listening. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yY9j6vvCFE0 The
conclusion laid out in interview is simple and brilliant, Langley (Bush-Clinton-
Narco-CIA-Banker-Neo-Psycopaths) and the clear headed leaders in the Pentagon are having it.
Peacock MBS caught in the middle trying to save his own neck and Kingdom is collateral
damage.
After listening to interview, I ran across two zero hedge links below. The first article
makes some very poignant and interesting points that reinforce the dollars end game that we
are approaching. The markets have not caught on yet but will with a vengeance.
In the second article taking Bandar out must worry the Bush-Clinton-
Narco-CIA-Banker-Neo-Psycopaths more than we can imagine. The last two paragraphs of article
sum it up nicely. Time to pay the piper & the devil wants souls. All the gold, wealth,
and power won't save them. From the looks of Trump/Putin in Vietnam not to mention Trump's
warm welcome from Xi in China the heads of state seem jubilant in what is quickly spinning
out of control for the psychopaths of debt, destruction, conquer, divide and slavery. Trump
"strangely" pointed out that China and US need to jointly oversee security in Afghanistan
which of course will be necessary to police while eliminating 1300 tons of opium
production.
The PPT NYFed's actions in paper gold market this week seemed desperate. GS has to be
feeling the heat.
1- Fischer and now Dudley resign. Hopeful to hear the latter is leaving BIS as well.
2- Powell a Carlye Group flunky was a brilliant FED appointment to appear to be status quo
to ignorant market but is more likely a double agent than Bush butt buddy.
3- expect Cohn to give his resignation soon.
4- Expect NY Attorney General Eric Tradd Schneiderman to resign or do a 180
5- expect David A. Markowitz hired by Goldman in 2010 from the New York Attorney General's
office to resign. He defended GS in their NYFed collusion/corruption case
I have heard for almost a decade that KSA has been pumping some of their fields too fast
requiring huge amounts of seawater to be pumped in to get the flow rates to stay high. Some
oil professionals who know this also scoffed at the huge Aramco IPO value saying the oil
isn't all there. Not sure what will happen with the teams set to rumble but I will bet Israel
will make the first strike to use the element of surprise. I hope the fleet is ready and gets
the carriers out of the Persion Gulf.
Actually, the Saudi group is just climbing onto another life boat. They're the ones that
made the US Ponzi possible by nodding to the US dollar as the reserve currency many years
ago. They will force the US to face the music holding a 20 trillion debt. Now China gets a 20
to 30 year fiat ride like the US had. If they're careful, it could last much longer. In the
US, there's nothing left floating to hang onto. Maybe some fracked oil for awhile, but it
will have to go at a bargain price. The Saudis and Russia can cover a huge amount of the
world's consumption. Big bank loans are piled all over the entire US economy. In order for
the banks to save themselves, they've weighted down even the grunts at the bottom with eight
year car loans which should have never been issued. With everything underwater, and the
inability to export inflation by holding the reserve currency exclusively, the US is in for a
major ass whooping. Better learn some basic camping skills.
Norway NPD reports monthly production after about seven weeks, and I don't think it gets
revised, or very rarely. Norway oil production is on a short plateau with a secondary peak
(after the main one in 2001) but likely to start a slight decline now. The old giant fields
from the 70s and 80s are holding pretty steady, but surprisingly the biggest decline is coming
from the newest fields, most of which are small. A lot of those fields were brought on line
with fairly short development times from the high price years in 2011 to 2014.
... ... ...
The UK production for both oil and gas follow fairly good bell curves about ten years behind
the equivalent exploration drilling and discovery curves. There's been a small uptick recently
which is likely to continue rising into 2018.
Month-to-month UK oil production has been gently falling recently after a local peak last
year, but after this year's maintenance period it's likely to start increasing through 2018 as
new developments are brought on line and ramped up.
It is difficult to predict where all this will lead. Some, like Dennis Gartman, warn that
although the immediate impact of the latest Saudi events is positive for prices, it will turn
negative in the longer run as this sort of instability is unsustainable. Others, such as Morgan
Stanley's commodity analysts, are
revising upwards their oil price forecasts, encouraged by these same events. OPEC's Vienna
meeting, where the cartel will discuss the extension of the oil production cut it agreed almost
a year ago, is less than a month away. There are voices
suggesting that Saudi Arabia could make a U-turn on its support for the deal in light of
the now higher prices resulting from its internal tumult and the spike in tensions with
Iran.
In the meantime, the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh is fully booked until February, as per the
hotel's website, and all guests were asked to leave or had their reservations cancelled.
The short-term outlook was bullish: MBS is seen as a key supporter for the OPEC policy of
measured production cuts, and his consolidation of power means the cuts are likely to be
maintained and extended through the rest of next year.
Conversely, rising prices may also signal increase instability in Saudi Arabia: there are
signs that the crackdown may have been meant to stave off a more substantive challenge to MBS
from upper-echelon figures in the Saudi hierarchy. The
uncertainty in future Saudi oil policy has created a bull market. While MBS is known to
favor an extension of production cuts, the turmoil within the Saudi ruling elite could signal a
shift in policy in advance of the November 30 OPEC meeting in Vienna, where an extension to
production cuts is expected to dominate the agenda
"... Alaska LNG, backed by the state-run Alaska Gasline Development Corp, anticipates a long pipeline carrying the fuel from the North Slope, which has proven gas reserves of over 35 trillion cubic feet. The state governor Bill Walker plans to sign final agreements by the end of next year, with groundbreaking in 2019. ..."
A preliminary gas deal worth over $43 billion sealed between China and the US State of Alaska
is far from guaranteed, according to experts. On Thursday, China's biggest state-run energy corporation
Sinopec, along with one of the country's top banks and a sovereign wealth fund agreed to go ahead
with an export terminal for liquefied natural gas (LNG) in Alaska as well as a 1,290-kilometer pipeline
to deliver fuel to China. The project is aimed at developing facilities so gas can be piped to the
Alaska coast, where it can be liquefied and shipped to China and other Asian countries.
The announcement, which lacked any details about binding agreements or financing, was made during
US President Trump's visit to China. However, some analysts are saying the project is not likely
to go ahead.
"This is a typical announcement that comes out of these big summits. You really can't build,
or get financing for a big project, unless all those pieces are in place," said Jason Feer of
energy consultancy Poten & Partners, as quoted by Reuters.
Alaska LNG, backed by the state-run Alaska Gasline Development Corp, anticipates a long pipeline
carrying the fuel from the North Slope, which has proven gas reserves of over 35 trillion cubic feet.
The state governor Bill Walker plans to sign final agreements by the end of next year, with groundbreaking
in 2019.
The lengthy pipeline could cost a billion dollars, according to Larry Persily, former US coordinator
for Alaska natural gas projects. Persily added that multinationals such as BP, ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips
had been working on the pipeline enterprise, but stepped away.
"If companies don't think this is a good time to put their money into it, why should the state?
As the governor has explained, the state has an overriding interest in getting this done -- companies
have other places they can invest their money," he said as quoted by AP.
China is trying to fight pollution and get rid of its reliance on coal and is chasing more supplies
of natural gas, according to Mark Barteau, director of the University of Michigan's Energy Institute,
as quoted by the agency.
"They have exhibited a long-term interest in having a large and secure gas supply, and I think
this is just perhaps the largest -- but by no means the first -- step they've taken to achieve that,"
he said.
As I am sure you know the record was Nov 1970 at 10,044 kb/d for the monthly average US
C+C output.
This past week was 9620 kb/d, over 400 kb/d below the record. (This weekly data is
probably too high by at least 300 kb/d and perhaps as much as 600 kb/d.)
If they are talking about C+C+NGL, we don't have data going back to 1970, but maybe they
are talking about C+C+NGL which might be higher than Nov 1970, no NGL data so it would be a
claim that is hard to refute with data.
Not a record for crude plus condensate. Also not a record for products supplied that was
21,666 kb/d in August 2005, last week was 21,301 kb/d.
I likewise wish all the regulars here, and all the hands on people in the oild industry,
well. And there's every reason in my own personal opinion to believe that times will be good
for them for another ten or twenty years at least.
But I wouldn't advise a child of my own to make a career out of oil. There's no stopping
depletion. It can't even be fought to a draw like the sea, one voyage at a time.
Somebody somewhere must have compiled a list of oil towns and communities in the USA that
went broke when the oil ran out, locally. I'm hoping to discover it someday and put it in my
book. It's probably a pretty long list.
A lot of people think otherwise, but I'm dead sure there will be a market for oil even at
two hundred dollars a barrel, in present day money, for at least another twenty or thirty
years. It would be much smaller market, but it would still be there, because it's not likely
imo that we can electrify all the industries that depend on oil any quicker if we can do it
at all in some industries.
After a century plus of constant improvement, we don't have internal combustion engines
five times as good as we did a century ago. There's no guarantee we will ever have batteries
five or more times as good as the ones we have now.
OFM. When our field came in during the first decade of the 1900s, a stop on the railroad grew
to over 10,000 people, many living in tents. A post office, bank, hotel and 13 saloons were
built.
Current poplulation is 100. Just houses, no businesses. But hundreds of oil wells still
pumping in all directions, to this day.
Is this stripper business, or still active development?
I can't imagine hundreds of wells in maintainance without a local support industry:
repairing shops, truck yards for all the special vehicles, a burger shop for the wait times
and so on – business around oil. Mainly maintaince, but you can't order always a worker
from hundred miles away to fix broken pumps, electric, mechanics, pipes, valves, have
transport trucks (or is it all pipelined?).
Oil business is not my speciality, but when I was in the USA in the oil provinces there
was lots of business around oil. Lots of installations means lots of people having to do with
them normally.
I was just referring to a boom town in the middle of the field.
There are roughly 25,000 people that live within a half hour of the field. Two supply
stores. Lots of service companies. Proabably 100 or so directly employed. Most are not
employed directly re upstream, but many others who have jobs related to ff.
We don't know what the future will bring, but I'm just hoping for $55-65 WTI for awhile.
Gasoline here is $2.51 per gallon, which I don't think is hurting consumers all that
much.
I don't think you are wishing anyone ill. Actually, I think most would not think poorly of
operations like ours or Mike's.
There is no debate that some petroleum will need to be produced in the future, even by the
most ardent of those anti oil.
Operations like ours are producing high quality crude from mostly pre-existing wells, with
new ones added in small quantities only when economics merit. The typical land taken up by a
well we operate is about 12' x 20'. A typical tank battery takes up 30' x 25' x 3.5'
high.
A high percentage of royalty owners in our field are retired. For example, one lease we
operate is located on 40 acres. It is owned by a widow who lives on it. The lease produces
right around 1,000 BO per year. The cumulative production is over 50,000 BO since the early
1980s.
The landowner receives 1/8 of the oil sold, free of all expemses except taxes. Even at $40
oil, $5,000 per year gross.
Thank you George. IEA will release their WEO next week (14th).
From the OPEC-report:
"Total non-OPEC liquids supply is now forecast to grow from 57 mb/d in 2016 to 62 mb/d in
2022, with the US alone making up 75% of that increase."
The section on decline rates was interesting too (p.184): "the WOO analysis suggests an
average implied decline rate of around 4.4 mb/d in the 2018–2028 period, or 7%, of
underlying non-OPEC suply. Note that this compares with previous, more in-depth, work done by
the Secretariat, which indicated
that underlying observed decline rates in non-OPEC were lower – on average around 5.4%
– though with significant regional variations.
On the one hand, this analysis shows the challenge facing the upstream sector, with a
requirement for more than 5 mb/d p.a. of new supply, if annual average demand growth of 0.9
mb/d in the Reference Case is added to the implied 4.4 mb/d 'lost' due to natural decline. On
the other hand, the calculated implied decline rates and substantial new upstream volumes
coming online suggest that overall upstream investment activity is perhaps higher than a
quick glance at headline capex numbers would suggest "
"with tight oil making up a substantial and growing share of total non-OPEC supply (around
12% in 2016), and given its innate rapid decline rates after initial production, this may in
a sense have accelerated the underlying decline. In other words, the system can said to be
coping, with supply growth meeting demand needs at the moment"
"that overall upstream investment activity is perhaps higher than a quick glance at headline
capex numbers would suggest "
Nope it would suggest that the developments coming on line now follow a normal project
S-curve with the big investment costs in the middle then slowing down during installation and
commissioning.
There aren't many projects in the middle of the development so costs are down but the new
production coming on line is still fairly high (until the second half of next year). The
investment problem isn't going to show up really until a couple of years out, but it can't be
halted by anything that's done now, just like the over-investment impact kept running even as
oil prices crashed.
With all the kerfuffle in Saudi whatever happened to the independent assessments of their
reserves? There was a leaked report that said everything was exactly as the Saudi had been
reporting, which couldn't possibly have credibility as it came out about a week after the
consultants had started work so they wouldn't even have got their computers working properly
yet, and then something about the reports being released early next year – and since
then nothing.
Overall stocks down 0.56%, pretty much inline with recent trends, crude up 2.2 mmbbls,
gasoline down 3.3 and distillate down 3.4. But the only number that matters to the traders is
the crude and because it is up price falls and it's reported we must be back in a glut.
Bonkers.
I think we are in refinery maintenance season now, so crude stocks should increase normally.
Interesting to note is that gasoline and distillate stocks are back to normal levels. So they
will have to draw a lot more from crude stocks going forward.
For the oil markets, the implications are pretty significant. Venezuela has already lost an
estimated 20,000 bpd each month for the past year, according to
Reuters estimates. And in September, Venezuela's output
plunged by more than 50,000 bpd compared to a month earlier. Production could fall by an
additional 240,000 bpd in 2018, a decline made worse by U.S. sanctions.
But that isn't even the worst-case scenario. A default could set off a scramble to seize
Venezuela's overseas assets. That could lead to much steeper production declines. One OPEC
source told Reuters that they see a potential for production declines on the order of 300,000
to 600,000 bpd next year.
Don't forget Yemen war is expensive and oil ins still hovering around $60 not $80 needed for KSA
to balance the budget. . KSA might run out of money just about the same time the old king dies.
Going to be an interesting transition
Notable quotes:
"... The son of the eighty-one year old King Salman, Muhammad bin Salman, known as MbS, has amassed more power in the last two years than any member of the House of Saud, including its kings. The young prince, who before his father came to power held no position of significance, is now the heir to the throne, minister of defense, chairman of the newly launched "anti-corruption" committee, and, by royal decree, the man in charge of Saudi Arabia's primary source of wealth, Saudi Aramco. ..."
Will Backlash Against Prince Purge Begin Within Military?
Firing popular Saudi guard leader may have been a critical miscalculation.
November 10, 2017
Saudi security forces on parade, 2009.
Credit: AlJazeera/Omar Chatriwala/Creative
Commons
Muhammad bin Salman, the 32-year-old crown prince of
Saudi Arabia, has been called bold, brash, and even an anti-corruption crusader in the
press this week. But his arrest of hundreds of potential rivals, including 11 royal
princes and many influential Saudi businessmen, can only be described as a pre-emptive
coup.
If this was his aim, however, his firing of one
prince -- the head of the Saudi Arabian National Guard -- may have been his fatal mistake.
The son of the eighty-one year old King Salman,
Muhammad bin Salman, known as MbS, has amassed more power in the last two years than any
member of the House of Saud, including its kings. The young prince, who before his
father came to power held no position of significance, is now the heir to the throne,
minister of defense, chairman of the newly launched "anti-corruption" committee, and, by
royal decree, the man in charge of Saudi Arabia's primary source of wealth, Saudi Aramco.
... ... ...
Muhammad bin Salman's betrayal of
decades of rule by consensus and consultation in favor of determined autocracy has
undoubtedly made enemies of hundreds, if not thousands, of wealthy and influential
princes and businessmen. These princes and businessmen are unlikely to wait for their
invitation to the Ritz Carlton.
Michael Horton is a senior analyst for Arabian
affairs at the Jamestown Foundation. He is a frequent contributor to J
ane's
Intelligence Review
and has written for
numerous other publications including:
The
National Interest
The Economist
,
and West Point's
CTC Sentinel.
Craighead) Rosie Bsheer
warns Westerners not to fall for Mohammed bin Salman's reformer act:
Even as Western governments and media outlets sing his praises, the young crown prince is
viewed domestically as an incompetent and corrupt ruler who hides behind liberalism,
tolerance and anti-corruption rhetoric [bold mine-DL]. This view is shared by ruling members
of the monarchy, economic elites and the population at large, who see bin Salman as someone
who has disturbed the status quo for the sake of massive personal enrichment and political
aggrandizement.
Many Westerners are often eager to promote individual foreign leaders in as "reformers" or
"moderates" so that it makes it easier to justify a close U.S. relationship with these leaders.
Few would openly argue that the U.S.-Saudi relationship should remain the same or become even
closer if the next king is a reckless incompetent who is actively destabilizing the surrounding
region. For that reason, there is great reluctance on the part of supporters of the
relationship to judge MBS on what he has actually done rather than what he says he wants to do
in the future.
Bsheer comments on MBS' recent power grab and how it benefits him and his father:
These arrests, cloaked in populist rhetoric trumpeting a purported campaign to end
corruption, actually aim to silence and disempower, if not to completely purge, bureaucrats
and members of the ruling family who hold economic and political power and are still not on
board with Salman's rise to power.
The arrests benefit Salman in two ways. Politically, they upend the balance of power in
the Saudi regime, leaving Salman with few rivals. Financially, they make it easier to claim
his rivals' assets as his own, part of a two-year effort to consolidate economic power.
When stripped of their official justifications, we can see that these actions are not those
of a reformer at all. They are the actions of a despot engaging in a massive abuse of power. If
an adversarial authoritarian regime conducted such a purge and justified it in the same way,
the near-unanimous response from the West would be criticism and ridicule, and that response
would be appropriate. When MBS and his father do it, they are embraced by the president and
their justification is taken at face value by far too many news outlets.
At the very least, MBS and his father should be subject to the same skepticism and criticism
as any other authoritarian government. We should be wary of accepting the "reformer"
credentials of a person who has so far distinguished himself for his hubris and incompetence
while compiling a record of failure and repeated violations of international law. Perhaps we
could refrain from labeling the man who is helping to starve millions of people to death as a
"moderate." Ideally, the U.S. should take the opportunity provided by MBS' rise to recognize
that the relationship with the Saudis has become a liability and put as much distance between
us and Riyadh as possible.
The world has plenty of experience – all too much – with "reformers" who arrest
and kill their rivals, and who commit mass atrocities against civilian populations, as MBS is
doing in Yemen.
Our "friendships" in the Middle East have damaged and soiled us more than any foreign
relationships in our history that I can think of.
At least when we "opened" to China we did it fairly clear-eyed, and one could credibly
argue that it was necessary and served our national interest. But our sick, codependent
relationships with Saudi Arabia and Israel have only entangled us in pointless messes, put
America itself at risk, fouled us morally, and made us simultaneously a frightening,
destabilizing force on the world stage, and an international laughingstock.
When and where will it end? I had some hope that Trump might do it, but so far he seems to
be doubling down on the Bush the Younger / Obama stupidity.
The EU executive sees Russia's plan to double the gas it could pump under the Baltic
Sea to Germany, bypassing traditional routes via Ukraine, as undercutting EU efforts to
reduce dependence on Moscow and its support for Kyiv.
The move dovetails with the Commission's proposal for a mandate from member states to
negotiate with Russia over objections to the pipeline.
Even with the changes, EU regulators say they may need to seek talks with Russia as it
cannot impose its law on the stretch of the pipeline that is outside its territory.
"This proposal does not solve all the problems and some of those need to be
negotiated," an EU official said.
Under the proposed changes to the gas directive, seen by Reuters, all import pipelines
would have to comply with EU rules requiring pipelines not be owned directly by gas
suppliers, non-discriminatory tariffs, transparent operations and at least 10% of capacity be
made available to third parties.
"The Gas Directive in its entirety will become applicable to pipelines to and from
third countries, including existing and future pipelines, up to the border of EU
jurisdiction," the proposals says .
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More stupidity at the link, but this looks like the same rubbish leaked to EUObserver a
week or so ago that I posted here. I have a question. If this is actually becomes the case,
then will Brussels rule that TAP and 'field pipes' which currently have an exemption from EU
law then become illegal ?
I don't see how they could keep them as exceptions. Brussels is just trying itself in
knots to make is seem relevant where it is actually powerless to do anything. As for the line
above ' may need to seek talks with Russia..', WTF?
Yesterday the ruling Salman clan in Saudi Arabia executed a Night of the Long Knives
cleansing the state of all potential competition. The Saudi King Salman and his son Clown
Prince Mohammad bin Salman initiated a large arrest wave and purge of high ranking princes
and officials. Part of this internal coup was the confiscation of huge financial estates to
the advantage of the Salman clan.
The earlier forced resignation of the Lebanese Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri is
probably related to the last night's events. The Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo endorsed
the resignation. This guarantees that Hariri will never again be accepted in a leading role
in Lebanon .
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Plenty more at the link and don't forget to check the comments, of which PaveWay IV &
guidoamm are enlightening, the latter: I know from someone that, till last month, managed
a fleet of personal jets for the great and the good in Saudi Arabia, that there is an exodus
under way. The great and the good are literally taking the cuckoo clocks onboard their 380s
and relocating to their foreign residences. Owners of the fleets have not been paying their
bills for months neither to the crews, nor to the management nor, indeed, to the
facilities.
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Just what Europe needs, a bunch of Saudi princes permanently flaunting themselves away
from home in various capitals.
Saudi declares war on Lebanon, by claiming that Lebanon declares war on
Saudi Arabia . Given that the Saudis have made their alliance with Israel open, this is a
threat to the Lebanese government and society, and a dare to the Russian government regarding
its anti-ISIS and anti-Al Qaeda policy.
Having legged higher at the opens of Asia, Europe, and US markets, WTI is extending gains
overnight on middle-east tensions...
Brent is trading above $62 amid anti-corruption drive led by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin
Salman, which may consolidate his control in OPEC's largest oil producer, and WTI has pushed
above $57 as producers such as Nigeria, Saudi Arabia signal they support a potential extension
of OPEC output cuts.
The sale of ARAMCO is a sign of desperation in the Saudi regime, not strength. They know they
are running on empty and will have to use whatever resources they have already to stay in
power. The forced reduction in oil price was ostensably aimed at Russia, but it has also
crippled Saudi too. Qui bono? A forced sale of ARAMCO will lead to them getting below par in
a forced sale - to whom? Zionist central bankers?
The Zionists have seen rapprochement between Turkey and Russia, now Saudi and Russia so
they will be desperate. What better way to stir things up than linking Saudi in as a primary
driver for the Lebanese / Hezbollah position, with the hope of splitting the Russian
rapprochment. However, the reality is that Hezbollah/Lebanon is not an existential national
security threat to Saudi, but it is to Israel. And that is the elephant in the room
again.
Israel was so close to seeing all its regional enemies embroiled in terrorism and
social/economic disruption - Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Turkey, Lebanon - with the prospect of
making great gains (for national security purposes natch) in the Golan where Zionist proxy
forces have been guarding territory for it. And now it looks to be fading dream. Even Druze
living in the Occupied Golan have warned the IDF that they will defend their co-religionists
in Syria against ISIS/whatever.
Destruction of Hezbollah/Lebanon only benefits Israel.
There was talk not long ago of China buying the full 5% of Aramco. Not sure how much was
in that, but possibly why US is backing Saudi in their new Lebanon adventure. The US backs
Saudi's in Lebanon and Saudi does not sell Aramco to China?
In a shocking development, Saudi press Al Mayadeen reported late on Saturday that
prominent billionaire, member of the royal Saudi family, and one of the biggest shareholders
of Citi, News Corp. and Twitter - not to mention frequent CNBC guest - Al-Waleed bin Talal,
has been arrested for corruption and money laundering charges, along with several other top
officials. Among those fired and/or arrested are also the head of National Royal Guards,
Miteb Bin Abdullah, the Minister of Economy and Planning, Adel Fakeih, and Admiral Abdullah
bin Sultan bin Mohammed Al-Sultan, the Commander of the Saudi Naval Forces
snip
the heads of the main three Saudi owned TV networks were arrested, Alwalid Bin Talal
(Rotana), Walid Al Brahim (MBC), Saleh Kamel (ART)
snip
This could be a service to Trump, who hates Al-Walid: the two fought it out on twitter
during the campaign although Al-Walid tried to reconcile with Trump after his election but to
no avail.
snip
To summarise today's even more bizarre Saudi news day:
-Trump urges Aramco IPO
-Lebanon PM resigns
-Saudis intercept missile
-Major cabinet reshuffle; 3 Saudi princes - who run the anti-graft committee - arrested for
money-laundering
-A total of 11 princes, >30 ministers arrested on corruption
This is
a tad optimistic; RE is making progress, but it hasn't stemmed the increase of fossil fueled
power yet. (All numbers from the BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2017, Excel Databook.)
Electricity use is growing faster than 300 TWh per year. In 2016 electricity generation rose
601 TWh, 2.48 percent over 2015. Over the last five years electricity generation rose an
average of 514 TWh per year, a compounded rate of increase of 2.2 percent per year.
Installed wind is forecast to come in at 60 GW in 2017, and solar at 90 GW. With global
capacity factors of 25 percent and 15 percent respectively (per BP), 2017's crop of wind and
solar should generate about 250 TWh per year combined. That's a little shy of half the current
average rate of increase in electricity generation. The pace of wind and solar installations
would have to double before they would be supplying all the growth in electricity use.
Hydro is also pitching in with an average growth of 104 TWh per year over the last five
years. Nuclear, alas, has hit a drought and will probably grow just 20-30 TWh this year.
That leaves an average increase of about 140 TWh per year in electricity growth to be
supplied by FF, adding perhaps 100 million tons of CO2 annually. Some of that may be offset by
switching existing electricity generation from coal to gas, which has been a big factor in
declining coal use (but with fugitive methane emissions a question mark)..
So it's going to be a while before RE will be growing fast enough to eliminate the growth in
emissions from the power sector, let alone reduce them. And that's just the power sector;
emissions from other sectors will meanwhile be growing unabated.
"... And this is cool. As of July of last year, 35% of all ECB bond buys (aka lending to private companies with money from nothingness) were of individual bonds with -- get this -- negative yields. They not only loaned money to the company, they paid the company interest for holding the bond. ..."
"... And y'all think money is a meaningful metric for the overall circumstance of oil flow. hahahahahhaah How can it be? Schlumberger!!! Hell, they are funding US shale flow with money from nothingness. ..."
Not gonna scroll. Found some ECB corporate bond buys. Specific companies.
Daimler Deutsche Bahn no idea what that is BMW Eni (!!!!!) Air Liquide Schlumberger (!!!!!) Total (!!!!!)
The specific bond serial number (in the US it would be called CUSIP-like) of each purchase
is known. The buy takes place on the secondary market. Much the same way the Fed never bought
Treasury issuance direct from Treasury. There was always a go between -- which essentially
means nothing. This was never discussed about Mort. Backed Securities. Bought them from who had
them -- at about 1000X market price.
And this is cool. As of July of last year, 35% of all ECB bond buys (aka lending to private
companies with money from nothingness) were of individual bonds with -- get this -- negative
yields. They not only loaned money to the company, they paid the company interest for holding
the bond.
And y'all think money is a meaningful metric for the overall circumstance of oil flow.
hahahahahhaah How can it be? Schlumberger!!! Hell, they are funding US shale flow with money
from nothingness.
"... So perhaps Bakken oil production peaked in 2015. But that depends on how many new wells will be added the coming years. ..."
"... Regarding downspacing, it has been a real crapshoot throughout all the shale plays. Operators had been purposefully drilling closer and closer and monitoring results. The biggest influencing factors (among many) seems to be the permeability and brittleness of the rock. ..."
"... Utica operators are back to 1,000 foot spacing while Marcellus operators continue to drill 500′ or less. Again, the thickness of these formations plays a big role as 3 dimension, not 2, come into play. 80% production in offset wells is the commonly quoted figure from several operators, and they seem to be okay with that. ..."
"... Be advised, Bakken operators have recently changed their flowback procedures and early month produced water numbers have skyrocketed. New wells now show 150/200 thousand barrels produced water their first few months online. ..."
Thanks that is really interesting. As most wells in Bakken are 10000 feet long, 500 feet well
spacing would translate into about 5 wells per section in Bakken. As I mentioned some time
ago, the Grail area in McKensey has close to 5 wells per section now. The 2016 wells there
had worse production than previous years and they have almost stopped drilling new wells
there. As there are maybe 1500 well locations left in the sweet spot area of McKensey
(assuming 5 wells per section) and they are adding perhaps 40 wells per month now, it means
that there are only some 3 years of new wells left. But it's not like they will add 40 wells
per month and then suddenly stop.
So more and more wells need to come from outside the sweet spots the coming years. Because
of the red queen phenomena, if new wells start to produce less, then more wells are needed
just to keep total production flat. So perhaps Bakken oil production peaked in 2015. But
that depends on how many new wells will be added the coming years.
One needs to remember the Three Forks formation when doing those kind of calculations.
Some of the higher producing wells in North Dakota these past 2 years targeted the second
bench of the TF.
There have been very few third bench TF wells and, I believe, only a couple targeting the
fourth bench so far.
Regarding downspacing, it has been a real crapshoot throughout all the shale plays.
Operators had been purposefully drilling closer and closer and monitoring results. The
biggest influencing factors (among many) seems to be the permeability and brittleness of the
rock.
Utica operators are back to 1,000 foot spacing while Marcellus operators continue to
drill 500′ or less. Again, the thickness of these formations plays a big role as 3
dimension, not 2, come into play. 80% production in offset wells is the commonly quoted
figure from several operators, and they seem to be okay with that.
BTW, I appreciate the charts you regularly post here.
Be advised, Bakken operators have recently changed their flowback procedures and early
month produced water numbers have skyrocketed. New wells now show 150/200 thousand barrels
produced water their first few months online.
As also smaller companies reported q3 earnings, the results show an interesting trend:
production did not go up year over year, despite higher capex and secondly cash flow from
operating activites declined strongly even at comparable production rate and product prices.
Take Whiting Petroleum WLL, which had basically the same production and a little bit
higher revenue due to higher prices, yet operating cash fell from 159 mill last year to 99
mill. This is in my view due to the sharply rising decline rate, which plagues now the whole
industry and makes funding of more drilling very difficult. However, this is good news for
prices, which can now go up – not only for oil, but also for natgas.
"... Exxon churned out the equivalent of 3.97 MMbpd, short of the 4-million average estimate from analysts. Chevron's tally was 2.717 MMbpd, underperforming its 2.777-million average estimate. In both cases, the figures rattled investors, even as the U.S. oil giants easily beat estimates on their overall earnings. ..."
"... Since 2014, when crude prices crashed, major oil companies have prioritized one thing -- conserving cash. They've engaged in mass layoffs, canceled marquee projects and put intense pressure on suppliers and contractors to cut prices. Despite a recent recovery, prices are still about half the level seen three years ago, so there's little sign that this focus is shifting. One victim of that strategy for the two big majors may be production. ..."
"... Exxon declined 1% in New York trading at 9:58, while Chevron lost 3.7%. ..."
ExxonMobil and Chevron, the two largest US oil and gas groups, are continuing to lose money
on oil and gas production in their home country, in spite of the rise in commodity prices since
last year.
Reporting earnings for the third quarter, Exxon said it lost $238m on oil and gas production
in the US, while Chevron lost $26m. The losses were reduced from the equivalent period of 2016,
but came as both companies made healthy profits on their international operations.
(pay wall but one free)
https://www.ft.com/content/c43b55c4-bb2d-11e7-8c12-5661783e5589
Their production decline (or failure to grow) trends look as if they are starting to worry the
investors, who were of course the ones insisting they do the things to maintain dividends that
now mean the declines are likely to accelerate.
Exxon churned out the equivalent of 3.97 MMbpd, short of the 4-million average estimate
from analysts. Chevron's tally was 2.717 MMbpd, underperforming its 2.777-million average estimate.
In both cases, the figures rattled investors, even as the U.S. oil giants easily beat estimates
on their overall earnings.
Since 2014, when crude prices crashed, major oil companies have prioritized one thing --
conserving cash. They've engaged in mass layoffs, canceled marquee projects and put intense pressure
on suppliers and contractors to cut prices. Despite a recent recovery, prices are still about
half the level seen three years ago, so there's little sign that this focus is shifting. One victim
of that strategy for the two big majors may be production.
Exxon declined 1% in New York trading at 9:58, while Chevron lost 3.7%.
Neither of them has many major projects coming due in the next couple of years (Hebron, Odooptu,
Big Foot and a couple of production sharing thins in the Middle East). They used up a lot of the
opportunities for brownfield expansion work on their older facilities when the price was high
and they might both be seeing big drops in those coming soon, with nothing left to ameliorate
them – e.g. their offshore facilities in Nigeria and Angola, some in the GoM for Chevron, Hibernia
for both. They are both in Tengiz and Kashagan I think but a lot of that production is just going
towards maintaining a plateau. So they are both increasingly reliant on Permian
"... Exxon churned out the equivalent of 3.97 MMbpd, short of the 4-million average estimate from analysts. Chevron's tally was 2.717 MMbpd, underperforming its 2.777-million average estimate. In both cases, the figures rattled investors, even as the U.S. oil giants easily beat estimates on their overall earnings. ..."
"... Since 2014, when crude prices crashed, major oil companies have prioritized one thing -- conserving cash. They've engaged in mass layoffs, canceled marquee projects and put intense pressure on suppliers and contractors to cut prices. Despite a recent recovery, prices are still about half the level seen three years ago, so there's little sign that this focus is shifting. One victim of that strategy for the two big majors may be production. ..."
"... Exxon declined 1% in New York trading at 9:58, while Chevron lost 3.7%. ..."
Their production decline (or failure to grow) trends look as if they are starting to worry
the investors, who were of course the ones insisting they do the things to maintain dividends
that now mean the declines are likely to accelerate.
Exxon churned out the equivalent of 3.97 MMbpd, short of the 4-million average
estimate from analysts. Chevron's tally was 2.717 MMbpd, underperforming its 2.777-million
average estimate. In both cases, the figures rattled investors, even as the U.S. oil giants
easily beat estimates on their overall earnings.
Since 2014, when crude prices crashed, major oil companies have prioritized one thing
-- conserving cash. They've engaged in mass layoffs, canceled marquee projects and put
intense pressure on suppliers and contractors to cut prices. Despite a recent recovery,
prices are still about half the level seen three years ago, so there's little sign that this
focus is shifting. One victim of that strategy for the two big majors may be
production.
Exxon declined 1% in New York trading at 9:58, while Chevron lost 3.7%.
Neither of them has many major projects coming due in the next couple of years (Hebron,
Odooptu, Big Foot and a couple of production sharing thins in the Middle East). They used up
a lot of the opportunities for brownfield expansion work on their older facilities when the
price was high and they might both be seeing big drops in those coming soon, with nothing
left to ameliorate them – e.g. their offshore facilities in Nigeria and Angola, some in
the GoM for Chevron, Hibernia for both. They are both in Tengiz and Kashagan I think but a
lot of that production is just going towards maintaining a plateau. So they are both
increasingly reliant on Permian
As also smaller companies reported q3 earnings, the results show an interesting trend:
production did not go up year over year, despite higher capex and secondly cash flow from
operating activites declined strongly even at comparable production rate and product prices.
Take Whiting Petroleum WLL, which had basically the same production and a little bit
higher revenue due to higher prices, yet operating cash fell from 159 mill last year to 99
mill. This is in my view due to the sharply rising decline rate, which plagues now the whole
industry and makes funding of more drilling very difficult. However, this is good news for
prices, which can now go up – not only for oil, but also for natgas.
As much as
US$1 trillion
of investments has either been deferred or canceled
with the lower-for-longer oil prices, and this underinvestment will
impact the future of energy, Amin Nasser, the chief executive of Saudi
Aramco, said on Tuesday.
"Not much investments have been going into the
energy sector... $1 trillion has been either deferred or cancelled,"
Nasser said at the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh.
Of the US$1 trillion investment, US$300 billion was earmarked for oil
exploration and another US$700 billion for project developments,
according to the CEO of the state-held oil giant of OPEC's biggest
exporter and de facto leader Saudi Arabia.
"This will have an impact on the future of energy if nothing happens,"
Nasser noted, adding that investments are necessary because of "natural
depreciation of fields and normal rise in demand."
"We are witnessing a transformation... But it will be decades before
renewable energy takes a major share in the energy mix," the head of the
oil giant said.
In July, Nasser said that if the oil and gas industry didn't start
investing again, the global oil supply/demand curve will
reach a turning point
in "a couple of years."
"About $1 trillion in investments have already been lost since the
current downturn began," Nasser said in a
speech
at
the World Petroleum Congress in Istanbul in July.
"... I am more concerned about WTI, but I think they will start converging next year, so say oil at 80-120. You are asking about 2020, so I would say 95%, unless severe economic recession, huge tech breakthrough, absolute war, or some other extreme black swan event. ..."
"... Remember, we are short supply now, or we wouldn't be drawing down inventories. As far as US production goes, I'm going with Schlumberger's assessment. Flat through 2017, and basically flat in 2018. ..."
"... Any increase in Permian, would offset by declines, elsewhere. To me, that makes 2018 and 2019 look good. 2020? That's a wrap. That doesn't even consider the wild cards of Venezuela or Iran, and leaves a lot of wiggle room, otherwise. ..."
Good grief! That's not a drought, it's the Sahara desert! Especially when you consider most
of that spending was to feed the DUCs. Makes me wonder why it took so long for Schlumberger
to predict a drop in production.
What do you think about an average annual Brent oil price in 2020 of $100+/-20 per barrel
in 2017 constant dollars? I would guess there may be a 50% chance this is correct.
I am more concerned about WTI, but I think they will start converging next year, so say oil
at 80-120. You are asking about 2020, so I would say 95%, unless severe economic recession,
huge tech breakthrough, absolute war, or some other extreme black swan event.
I look first at inventory, as this caused the drop in price starting in 2014. The US contains
the majority of the over supply. Quite obviously demand exceeds supply, or we would not be
experiencing drawdowns. Drawdowns in the US have not reported to be rapid, but an increasing
level of exports have basically taken away big builds we may have had lately. Exports will
continue to increase, as new export points are scheduled to come online in early 2018. More
exports, bigger draws.
We are already exporting close to the daily production of the Permian.
The big build was over time, and due to the reluctance of refineries to re-tool. That is not
a big factor, anymore. Refineries will be the ultimate losers, eventually. So, I really look
for inventories to clear out in the US by sometime 2018. I am not buying into the theory that
US exports will cause an increase to world inventories. The rest of the world's inventories
were deleted pretty fast.
Next, what will demand be? Who really knows what it is now? I've heard it said, that IEA
makes up demand amounts based upon production, which is probably not too far off reality.
Let's assume it continues upon the 1.4% increase range. I am not going to attempt to put real
numbers to that, we will just need a bunch of additional barrels.
Now, turn to production. OPEC is no more of a wildcard than US shale is. They can pump more
oil, but there will be some lead time. US can pump some more, but it will take some lead
time. Russia can pump some more, but it will take some lead time. Lead time is roughly
equivalent to two years. So that's three years out, approximately, with 4? million in demand
to cover. Remember, we are short supply now, or we wouldn't be drawing down inventories. As
far as US production goes, I'm going with Schlumberger's assessment. Flat through 2017, and
basically flat in 2018.
Any increase in Permian, would offset by declines, elsewhere. To me,
that makes 2018 and 2019 look good. 2020? That's a wrap. That doesn't even consider the wild
cards of Venezuela or Iran, and leaves a lot of wiggle room, otherwise.
One of the world's largest fossil fuel companies is betting on electric cars.
Royal Dutch Shell (RDSA) revealed a deal on Thursday to acquire NewMotion, one of Europe's
largest electric vehicle charging providers. NewMotion specializes in converting parking
spots into electric charging stations. The Dutch firm has more than 30,000 electric charge
points in Europe.
The acquisition, Shell's first in this space, shows how Big Oil is being forced to confront
the long-term threat posed by electric cars and efforts to phase out gasoline and diesel
vehicles.
Or maybe the other way round – there's no oil left to develop so they have to find
something else to do – or both supply and demand influences, which is the reality of
all economic decisions, not one or the other however much the media feels it has to simplify
things to that level.
Interesting article. I believe we are going to see a more rapid disintegration of the
Ultra-Deepwater Drilling Industry when the markets finally correct by 20-50%. The notion that
the Ultra-Deepwater Drilling Industry will recover by 2020 or 2024 doesn't take into account
that the broader U.S. Stock markets have experienced a 230% increase from the lows without a
typical 15-20% correction.
Hell, I believe the S&P 500 just hit a record of not experiencing a 3% correction for
more than 453 days.
Transocean drilling rig utilization fell from a peak of 95% in 1H 2013 to 37% in the 1H
2017. Of the 17 Ultra-Deepwater rigs currently drilling for oil in the GoM (source: Baker
Hughes), one leased by Chevron was terminated early. So, the total will be down to 16 in
November.
Again, the wild card of much higher oil prices will only occur if the Fed and Central
banks start up the printing press BIG TIME. When the Fed's QE3 program ended, the price of
oil plummeted.
However, when the Central banks print like crazy, this won't last long. Thus, it won't be
enough to allow the Ultra-Deepwater Drilling Industry to recover.
No idea – I don't do the oil price prediction thing because I'm pretty sure nobody in
history has ever got it right for the right reason. For real 'frontier' type exploration to
start again then there would have to be a pick up in lease sales and really they have been
tailing off even in the high price years (I think I put some charts in a previous post on the
GoM showing how the percentage of offered leases taken up has been falling off. I doubt if
shallow a lot of the deep lease areas will pick up again though, there's little left.
In my opinion, exploration will not pick up too much regardless of oil price because of the
maturity of the basin, as George suggests above. (Actually, exploration may pick up a fair
bit with higher oil prices, but significant successes probably won't).
Now there certainly are those that would disagree with that, and, since I'm still in the
industry, I often hear the message about the tremendous remaining potential in the northern
deepwater GOM coming from those in the ra-ra corner.
Not much and no. I think, if anything, the future GoM production will be a bit less than I
expected about six months ago. As far as STEO goes I think they come up with a future profile
once a year and then just bias it up and down to meet this month's production number –
I think a new profile must be due soon. There is about a 10% decline per year, which might
increase a bit now, so about 170,000 bpd is needed to maintain a plateau, but the STEO has
another 100,000 per year of growth. Next year there is only Stampede early on, which has
topsides nameplate of 60,000, but only 50,000 planned with the rest available for tie backs
and probably only about 70% availability in the first year; plus Constellation – which
has maybe 30,000 but depends on decline in the rest of the Caesar-Tonga field to allow
capacity for some of it, so not all of that is net gain; the LLOG fields I described above;
and Big Foot at the end which won't contribute much in 2018. So from July 2017 to Dec. 2018
they lose maybe 230,000 and add about 90,000 to 110,000 maybe with a bit of brownfield as
well. There's also Atlantis North but I think that only maintains a plateau against fast
declines from their other wells. But EIA are saying the GoM adds 330,000. Also in 2019 Big
Foot isn't going to ramp up fast, contrary to what I previously thought. It has dry trees,
only two have been fully predrilled, the others have the top two conductor sections drilled
but the on-platform rig will have to complete them. I think the oil is pretty heavy so not
huge production from a single well, therefore even with a 70,000 nominal topsides nameplate,
the wells and the usual low availability in the first year will be limiting.
EIA's monthly production data to end of July says US production vs 2016 is averaging about
3.4 million barrels per month higher. divided by 30 is 114K bpd increase over last year
averaged month by month. (not month to month)
For Texas it's 90K bpd increase over last year, as of end of July, averaged month by
month. That's most of the 114K.
Don't know if that's far enough back in months for the correction we get here to have
moderated.
Saudi Arabia. Trump prostrated himself and his country before the Saudis and the leaders of
the Islamic World. The Saudis expect that this was more than a symbolic and empty gesture.
Saudi Arabia is a weak state in actual capabilities in the world It is a state that the US will
not need much longer as a source of petroleum. The feebleness of the Saudi government is
demonstrated by the ineffectual nature of its war in Yemen, This genocide is being aided and
abetted by the US government as part of its cartoon-like conception of basic social and
political structures in Islamdom. The Saudi government grows ever weaker as a result of this
war and decline in its monetized assets because of a growing surplus of petroleum in the world.
The Saudi princelings are not worth the effort being put into keeping them happy.
Qatar . US military operations in the ME are centered around the command and control
facility at Al-Obeid in Qatar as well as the air base itself. The air base is useful but is
only one of many used by the US in the ME. By siding with the Saudis DJT has de-stabilized the
US relationsip with Qatar and is driving the Qataris in the direction of an pro-Iranian stance.
Would the US fight to keep al-Obeid? The Saudis won't do it for the US.
You have to give the European Commission credit for grit and persistence; they never give up . So what should be named
the Stop Nord Stream II Commission now announces it is contemplating a 'legal tweak' which
will allow it to declare the Nord Stream II pipeline subject to the Third Energy Package
rules, while the first pipeline was not. That would be quite a feat, and I'm betting it will
never happen because too many European states oppose it. But it is significant that only the
complainers get to be heard – Poland, the Baltics and Brussels. And ukraine, of course,
which always has a voice because I guess it is an honorary member of the EU or something.
Keep that term in mind – 'legal tweak', because it basically means changing the law
to allow you to do something it previously would not, without any requirement to show why
such a change was broadly necessary. You might want to think about 'legal tweaks' of your own
to announce you are arbitrarily raising the speed limit on your route home, because it will
allow you to get home faster.
Airheads like Maros Sefcovic seem to have the idea that they can force Russia to continue
transiting gas through Ukraine by putting ever more stumbling blocks in its way. But they
should be careful. Even in the very unlikely event they achieved success, Russia could simply
announce
the new delivery point is the Russia/Ukraine border , and that the EU and its new bestest
buddy are responsible for transit beyond that point. It could cover itself by insisting on
official EU signature at the transit point that x amount had been delivered to the border, so
that there could be no accusations that Russia was withholding gas. Then the EU would end up
paying to fix Ukraine's rusty-teakettle pipeline network, as well as having to tolerate all
its staged outages and extortion tactics to squeeze more money for itself.
Russia should sign a deal with Germany for the latter to build a stub gas pipeline to
international waters to connect to the Nord Stream II pipe. The EU has zero jurisdiction over
international waters. Germany controls its own EEZ and the EU can't hijack it by definition.
Germany would then buy Russian gas and resell it to the other EU members. Let's see these EU
legal eagles counteract this.
Effect of Trump move on energy market remains to be seen... Might well be another step toward fiscal
collapse...
Notable quotes:
"... Better refresh. The United States is by definition, an empire. Has been since December 10, 1898. Not all empires have or have had emperors. At least, as an official title. We even still possess a few de facto colonies, Puerto Rico being the most populous. The Philippines were part of the American empire from December 10, 1898 to July 4, 1946. ..."
"... The Philippines' colonial history has been described by one historian as "500 years in a convent, followed by 50 years at Disneyland." ..."
"... This is the result of our long string of wars since Reagan took on Grenada. Then Bush in Panama. And on and on until today. We've chosen to do battle with small weak countries that don't have a hope in hell of winning or even inflicting major harm. ..."
Saudis bought 15 billion dollars antirocket system. Its one deal only. Just to get Trump to
stop messing around and crash the Persians they also bought Russian system.
"A peculiar pattern of Trumpian behavior is emerging. First, his fragile ego forbids
him to ever take responsibility for anything. Ever. Second, because he craves the adulation
of his base, he will to shift blame or throw any and all supporters and allies under the bus."
He also has a tendency to want to take revenge for any imagined or real slight that bruise
his fragile ego. Not a statesman or leader by any strength of the imagination.
Yes laughable and tragic all at the same time. Even the guy whose nickname actually is "Mad
Dog" (James Mattis) has gone on record with some intelligent comments on why the Iran nuclear
deal should be kept in place.
I'm not surprised you got so much hate on that comment board. The Neo-Nazis seem to loiter
where they know they can get away with crap that isn't monitored properly.
America's been piling on the bad karma since Vietnam. It could well cause the world egregious
trauma, but no one will shed a tear when the beast is brought low by its episodic-tho-predictable
bouts of cluster-fuck. Methinks they've hit the Big One.
And aren't its politicians infinitely grateful for a citizenry so simply and quickly distracted
by Hollywood shenanigans (as awful as they are in this instance) whilst a) 3 million of its own
have been blown into third world living standards; b) 528 took a bullet from a shooter in the
span of less than 10 minutes; and c) Californians are being roasted alive in the latest indication
that something's gone screwy in our biosphere? The Oaf and Chief considers Weinstein as nothing
more than relief.
Riddle: What's the difference between a President and a leader?
A: There shouldn't be difference, but now there is.
I know enough of Iran to respectfully disagree. In many respects, Iran is similar to China,
30 years ago. Under the right leadership, it has the potential of becoming an economic engine
for the South-West Asia, helping economic growth of itself and many of its neighboring countries.
Iran has a well-educated population that does not like the US, mainly because of the past US
behaviour both in their country and in the surrounding region. The people there revolted against
a US-installed government and used religion as a unifying ideology. Now they should be left alone
to sort out the problems that religion has brought to them.
In case of China, Napoleon Bonaparte is quoted to say:
Let China Sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world
As the journal Economist once suggested, it is also better to leave the Persian Lion alone.
Indeed, the Bonaparte's quote can be restated to apply to Iran; it could read:
Let the Persian Lion Sleep, for when it wakes, it will never live like a sheep
For those interested in military mind-set, it is worth mentioning here that Afghans and Iranians
are in fact the same people and approach war and fighting in the same manner. The difference between
the two is the cunning and sophistication of the latter.
Mr. McLean's analysis is largely on the mark. Indeed much of it is supported by Mr. Trump's
behavioral pattern, which has been witnessed by the world public during the past 11 months. There
is, however, an area where - like many others - Mr. McLean tries to play safe. When he says::
But he promised his loyal base, Fox News and Steve Bannon, he would dump the accord
he is apparently leaving out an important - and probably the most critical - constituency of
Mr. Trump. When Mr. McLean says:
He has Bannon and Breitbart howling on his heels, along with most of the rabid rightwing
noise machine.
he is getting close; but, then then he shies away from identifying who are the people behind
that "rabid rightwing noise machine.".
Many believe that Mr. Trump decisions are influenced by this "rabid rightwing machine" more
than anything or anyone else. He has been reported to call many of the machine's "operators" after
hours, from the WH as well as his Mar-a-Lago palace, in every opportunity he gets. As examples
of the power of this machine, they refer to its ability:
1. To undo the harm of Pope Francis condemnation of candidate Trump, clling him "not being
Christian", after his pledge to deport undocumented immigrants and build a wall between US and
Mexico. The machine undermined Vatican's moral authority by overnight flooding of the world media
with the old story of Pope John Paul II having a close relationship with a Polish women;
2. To pump out billions of dollars into the US futures market on the night of Mr. Trump's election
victory to reverse its steep drop of almost 1000 points .
Now the "rabid rightwing machine" wants US decertification of the nuclear treaty with Iran.
Mr. Trump is a businessman and no doubt understands how transactional relationships work. He is
indebted to this machine, and has to reciprocate its favours in order to receive more of the same
in future. Note that he has already registered as a canadidate, to be re-elected the US president
for his second term!
The facts don't support this assumption. Clearly and without a doubt by far the most dangerous,
the most destructive, the most deadly player in the region has been the United States. This fact
is indisputable to the sincere.
Better refresh. The United States is by definition, an empire. Has been since December
10, 1898. Not all empires have or have had emperors. At least, as an official title. We even still
possess a few de facto colonies, Puerto Rico being the most populous. The Philippines were
part of the American empire from December 10, 1898 to July 4, 1946.
The Philippines' colonial history has been described by one historian as "500 years in
a convent, followed by 50 years at Disneyland."
Trump makes a big medicine show of cancelling "the worst deal ever" (Man! Trump can go from
0 - Hyperbole in no time flat, eh?) but that's easier said than done. The United States simply
cannot arbitrarily walk away from the deal. Not legally. Aside from that Trump no longer enjoys
the support of the GOP to cancel the agreement.
Oh! Make no mistake. These very same Republicans were all for walking away from the deal when
Obama made it and they didn't control all three branches of government (although I'm not sure
who or what controls the executive at the moment). Now that they do, having nothing but
years of obstructionism to bring to the table, the GOP, lacking any governing skills whatsoever,
is as impotent as ever and tearing itself apart from the inside besides.
I tell ya'. The GOP, already severely weakened by the Koch Brothers'-funded grassroots
Tea Party movement, may very well just not survive the cancer of Trump.
Again, not the topic. The question is asked: Is Iran in compliance with the Joint Comprehensive
Plan of Action? The answer, of course, is yes. Trump's entire domestic and foreign policy decisions
appear to be based entirely on if Obama had anything to do with it, then it has to go. Bad
or good. Right or wrong . This is not a viable method of sound government. It is petty, however.
Childish and puerile, to say the least.
At any rate, if Trump renegades on this deal as he has on so many since he's been in office,
then it will be the United States which will be in noncompliance with the treaty and it
will be the reputation of the United States which will suffer yet another blow delivered by none
other than our Buffoon-in-Chief.
Besides, Iran is not the only other nation muckraking about in the region. There are other
players in the game. I hear rumors of another, more powerful, more destructive, far more deadlier
entity stomping about the place, making a mess of just about everything. Been doing it for decades
now. Just keeps making matters worse.
North Korea might just decide that it's own best interests would be served by selling Iran
a working bomb. With Trump's sanctions interfering with North Korea obtaining oil, Iran might
just pay the tab that way. The world could very quickly become a much more dangerous place because
of Trump's antics.
This is the result of our long string of wars since Reagan took on Grenada. Then Bush in
Panama. And on and on until today. We've chosen to do battle with small weak countries that don't
have a hope in hell of winning or even inflicting major harm.
With each new painless war the American people have been conditioned to believe that because
it hasn't caused personal suffering that war is somehow painless. Now we've worked our way up
to North Korea and Iran. Both of them a whole different ball game. War with either or both would
likely result in a return of the draft.
Trump's scumbag supporters would quickly be singing a different tune as soon as they found
themselves being forced to participate.
As one commenter aptly said: " 'Moron', as Tillerson would say." and as another noted "Don the Neocon..
We can keep the military in the end-stateless, goal-less, sinkhole known as Afghanistan for decades,
STILL subsidize the defense of rich EU and Asian countries, fight the latest "Al Qaeda offshoot" everywhere
on the African continent but we can't afford universal healthcare like US welfare baby Israel or about
every other developed country, or restore power or drinking water in a US territory."
Notable quotes:
"... the question is, who are these people all excited about Iran? Other than politicians who may be working for foreign lobbies? ..."
"... This is pure lawlessness. We are breaking an agreement and by advocating regime change against a govt that has not attacked us or even threatened us in a serious manner are breaking the U.N. charter. ..."
"... Screw Trump. I mean really, screw him. He got my vote because I thought he was going to first crush ISIS and then get us out of the Middle East. Instead he's intensifying nearly every aspect of our Middle East entanglements. ..."
"... Now he's creating a new mess of his own. And this crap he's pulling with Iran is for Saudi Arabia and Israel. America First really? ..."
"... Of all of the Obama-era foreign policy decisions Trump could pull back, he's hell-bent on crushing one of the only good ones. I'd be shocked if he has even an elementary understanding of the agreement. "Moron", as Tillerson would say. ..."
"... "Cotton is one of the biggest Israel money guys in the Senate, if not the biggest. Really whopping contributions – "the Swamp" personified. In return for Israel money he has tirelessly pushed the core Israeli policy of hostility to Iran, so much so that it hardly makes sense to think of him as an American senator anymore." ..."
"... It appears that Trump's strategy is to insult and ruin Ran's economy to the point where he can get Iran to do something that will allow him to declare war against Iran because they attacked us. ..."
"... And how many countries has Iran invaded in the last 200 years? And how many countries has Israel invaded in the last 80 years? ..."
"... We will really find out who the Swamp creatures are now. Any congressman or Senator who votes for new sanctions against Iran – a country that poses virtually no threat to the United States – exposes himself as a bought-and-paid-for tool of Saudi Arabia and the jihadist fanatics the Saudis support. ..."
"... it's less that Trump wants to undo what Obama did and more that he wants to do what Netanyahu wants. ..."
"... Any notion of American excellence has now been erased. Our country will not soon recover all that Trump has tossed away and as citizens, we cannot absolve ourselves from blame. We have elected the most odious leader in our history and have allowed (mostly) a Republican Party to participate in government without having made a single contribution to the welfare of the American republic. Cotton is not alone in his folly that dismisses all real national interest. Like others, there have been many times I have despaired at the state of affairs in our Country, but this is different. Trump and his vandal allies I believe have inflicted permanent and irreversible damage to our country. Joe F , says: October 13, 2017 at 5:07 pm One follow up to earlier post: with this action, Trump has proven beyond doubt that the Mullah regime in Iran is a far more trustworthy nation than the United States. Well done Donald ..."
Making war in other people's countries is what an American government captured by globalist financial
elites is all about. For elites, such wars, paid for by the deplorable ordinary Americans they
loathe, have no downside and carry no risk to them. Lose-lose for the American public is win-win
for them, they cannot lose, especially since wars that can't be won will never end, perfect profit
streams.
"Cotton was among the fiercest and loudest opponents of the agreement before it was made,
and he has continued to look for ways to sabotage it."
Cotton is one of the biggest Israel money guys in the Senate, if not the biggest. Really
whopping contributions – "the Swamp" personified. In return for Israel money he has tirelessly
pushed the core Israeli policy of hostility to Iran, so much so that it hardly makes sense to
think of him as an American senator anymore.
He's more like a member of the Netanyahu government who somehow ended up in one of Arkansas's
US Senate seats.
Does anyone here know any real Americans who are pushing for this policy against Iran? My family
and friends are nearly all real Americans, and not one of them has any interest in ending the
deal with Iran. Most of them wish we would get out of the Middle East altogether.
So the
question is, who are these people all excited about Iran? Other than politicians who may be working
for foreign lobbies?
This is pure lawlessness. We are breaking an agreement and by advocating regime change against
a govt that has not attacked us or even threatened us in a serious manner are breaking the U.N.
charter.
We are doing this while condemning other countries for not following a 'liberal, rules based
world order' (whatever that is, oh, wait, it is following Caesar's decrees). Our Hubris will catch
up to us, whether it will be by the Almighty that the Haley's and Cotton's claim to serve or just
the law of reciprocity, I don't know. No one is more blind than those corrupted by power.
John Quincy Adams, "But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy She well knows
that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign
independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication The fundamental maxims
of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force . She might become the dictatress
of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit."
He was able to see this because we were not yet intoxicated by power.
Screw Trump. I mean really, screw him. He got my vote because I thought he was going
to first crush ISIS and then get us out of the Middle East. Instead he's intensifying nearly every
aspect of our Middle East entanglements.
Now he's creating a new mess of his own. And
this crap he's pulling with Iran is for Saudi Arabia and Israel. America First really?
Of all of the Obama-era foreign policy decisions Trump could pull back, he's hell-bent on
crushing one of the only good ones. I'd be shocked if he has even an elementary understanding
of the agreement. "Moron", as Tillerson would say.
What seem to be missing here is anybody talking about Israel nuclear capability. That's the "dirty
little secret" that nobody talks about. Imho, as long as Iran is in compliance the deal should.
Of course Trump and the Hawks in Congress are going to do everything to scuttle it and bring about
a war with Iran which will end up being a World War and will necessitate the US returning to a
military draft to fight this war. It will be a sad way to "wake up" America to what is being done
militarily in their name. But perhaps when they see their little "Johnny and Jill" marched off
to war, they'll see what has been done in these endless, unwinnable wars in the Middle East.
[Tom Cotton gets] "Really whopping contributions – "the Swamp" personified."
He got a $700,000 check from a single Israel donor in 2014. You think anybody in Arkansas not
named "Walton" can match that? No sir. Tom Cotton does what Israel tells him to do. Scuttle the
Iran deal? No problem.
It's time that my fellow Arkansans did for Tom Cotton what those upstanding Virginians did
for Eric Cantor back in 2014, and for the same reason: we want our government back from corrupt
politicians working for foreign interests.
" the president made clear over the summer, he didn't "believe" Iran was in compliance and
would not certify again."
Wait, what?! What does Trump know that the IAEA has been unable to learn and at the risk of
compromising intelligence sources, why has he not shared that knowledge? As with many of the man's
"beliefs", such attitudes do not make issues remotely true. We don't need to stir the Iran pot,
for goodness sake. Has not this man kicked enough hornets nests around the world?
"Cotton is one of the biggest Israel money guys in the Senate, if not the biggest. Really
whopping contributions – "the Swamp" personified. In return for Israel money he has tirelessly
pushed the core Israeli policy of hostility to Iran, so much so that it hardly makes sense
to think of him as an American senator anymore."
Cotton is wrong on this issue, but he's hardly a Swamp politico. He understands the dangers
of mass immigration and looks likely to replace Jeff Sessions as the leading immigration hawk
in the Senate. Unfortunately, I suspect he has presidential ambitions and being pro Israel is
a must in GOP primaries.
Rand Paul, on the other hand, like his dad, is good on foreign policy, but doesn't get the
immigration issue. People like me who want a non interventionist FP and low immigration seldom
have candidates that believe in both to support. I had high hopes for Trump, but he seems to have
too many generals around him telling him the wrong things.
"Cotton is wrong on this issue, but he's hardly a Swamp politico. He understands the dangers
of mass immigration and looks likely to replace Jeff Sessions as the leading immigration hawk
in the Senate. Unfortunately, I suspect he has presidential ambitions and being pro Israel
is a must in GOP primaries. "
No it's not. It was a litmus test for the old neocon Establishment GOP, and it's gone the way
of Eric Cantor. You have to go to New York, DC, or some left coastal city to find anyone who gives
a goddamn about it, and those places don't vote Republican anyway.
Politicians who take the Israel dollar care about it a lot, naturally. And Cotton's near the
top of the list.
Don the Neocon.. We can keep the military in the end-stateless, goal-less, sinkhole known as Afghanistan
for decades, STILL subsidize the defense of rich EU and Asian countries, fight the latest "Al
qaeda offshoot" everywhere on the African continent but we can't afford universal healthcare like
US welfare baby Israel or about every other developed country, or restore power or drinking water
in a US territory.
"NO KIN IN THE GAME": STUDY FINDS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WITHOUT DRAFT-AGE SONS
WERE MORE HAWKISH"
1. Even though Iran and Iraq are 4 letter words and share the first 3, they are very, very
different animals. Iran is an industrial state of 85 million capable of designing and building
effective rockets. It is highly unlikely the US can defeat Iran in a conventional war on its own
turf.
2. Even if we did defeat them, there is nobody there yearning for American style pseudo-democracy.
While they are not perfectly happy with their own government, they'll be dammed if they're going
to accept one from us. So you'd have to put millions of American troops in harms way against the
civilian population essentially forever.
And a note on the President. I don't believe he knows or cares a thing about Iran or their
capabilities. What he does know, after watching Fox News for the last 8 years is: Obama bad. So
the only reason, I'm certain, that Trump cares about this is because it was an Obama initiative.
It appears that Trump's strategy is to insult and ruin Ran's economy to the point where he
can get Iran to do something that will allow him to declare war against Iran because they attacked
us.
And how many countries has Iran invaded in the last 200 years? And how many countries has
Israel invaded in the last 80 years?
As I recall we made a regime change in the Iranian government when we had the CIA along with
the English intelligence by replacing the elected Prime Minister of Iran with the despotic, tyrannical
Shah.
As an American, Trump has desecrated our flag with his flat out lies, not the NFL athletes
who simps knelt during the National Anthem.
We will really find out who the Swamp creatures are now. Any congressman or Senator
who votes for new sanctions against Iran – a country that poses virtually no threat to the United
States – exposes himself as a bought-and-paid-for tool of Saudi Arabia and the jihadist fanatics
the Saudis support.
"So the only reason, I'm certain, that Trump cares about this is because it was an Obama
initiative."
I've heard this before, but if it were true than why is Trump helping the Saudis wreck and
starve Yemen? That was an Obama initiative too. That's why I now think that it's not really the
Obama connection so much as the Netanyahu connection that drives Trump. In other words, it's
less that Trump wants to undo what Obama did and more that he wants to do what Netanyahu wants.
Any notion of American excellence has now been erased. Our country will not soon recover all
that Trump has tossed away and as citizens, we cannot absolve ourselves from blame. We have elected
the most odious leader in our history and have allowed (mostly) a Republican Party to participate
in government without having made a single contribution to the welfare of the American republic.
Cotton is not alone in his folly that dismisses all real national interest. Like others,
there have been many times I have despaired at the state of affairs in our Country, but this is
different. Trump and his vandal allies I believe have inflicted permanent and irreversible damage
to our country.
One follow up to earlier post: with this action, Trump has proven beyond doubt that the Mullah
regime in Iran is a far more trustworthy nation than the United States. Well done Donald
Regarding the 25th amendment option: how far down the line of succession must one go to find someone
who has solid, bona fide cred to stop this inanity?
The Economist today opines that Xi Jinping has more clout than Donald Trump.
And I read on TAC that Trump is p***ing away our wealth and power doing favors for Israel and
Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, like scuttling the Iran deal and picking fights with the Iranian
government. And I conclude that the reason that the Economist may be right about Xi Jinping is
because Trump is doing what I read about in TAC, wasting our time, blood, money, and focus on
appeasing a bunch of goddamn foreigners in the form of the Israel and Saudi lobbies.
In the final days of the Iran Deal negotiations, August 2015, I completely missed the interview
Kerry did with Reuters,
https://2009-2017.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/08/245935.htm
that Mercouris parses for his detailed article proving the Outlaw US Empire's Imperial Policy
is now "irrational"--utterly I'd say since for me it's been irrational for decades when weighing
the actual interests of the United States's populous. The key excerpt:
"But if everybody thinks, 'Oh, no, we're just tough; the United States of America, we have
our secondary sanctions; we can force people to do what we want.' I actually heard that argument
on television this morning. I've heard it from a number of the organisations that are working
that are opposed to this agreement. They're spreading the word, 'America is strong enough,
our banks are tough enough; we can just bring the hammer down and force our friends to do what
we want them to.'
"Well, look – a lot of business people in this room. Are you kidding me? The United
States is going to start sanctioning our allies and their banks and their businesses because
we walked away from a deal and we're going to force them to do what we want them to do even
though they agreed to the deal we came to? Are you kidding ?
"That is a recipe quickly, my friends, for them to walk away from Ukraine, where they are
already very dicey and ready to say, 'Well, we've done our bit.' They were ready in many cases
to say, 'Well, we're the ones paying the price for your sanctions.' We – it was Obama who went
out and actually put together a sanctions regime that had an impact. By – I went to China.
We persuaded China, 'Don't buy more oil.' We persuaded India and other countries to step back.
"Can you imagine trying to sanction them after persuading them to put in phased sanctions
to bring Iran to the negotiating table, and when they have not only come to the table but they
made a deal, we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them you're going to have to obey
our rules on the sanctions anyway?
"That is a recipe very quickly, my friends, businesspeople here, for the American
dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world – which is already bubbling out there
.." (Bold italics in original.)
The immediate costs of decertification for the USl include the loss of the trust of allies,
increased tensions with Iran, and much greater skepticism from all other governments. It also
create additional difficulties the next time America wants to negotiate a major international
agreement as some countries will view the USA as a rogue nation which is unable to keep its word.
If decertification leads to the U.S. breaching its obligations under the nuclear deal, as seems
likely, that the costs will increase even more, and so will the chances of war with Iran.
It might well be that Trump made a step increasing the probability of his removal from the
current position by cabinet members.
Looks like Trump focus on appeasing a bunch of foreigners in the form of the Israel and Saudi
lobbies.
President Trump started his long-anticipated anti-Iran speech by complaining about the 1979
hostage situation. What followed was an increasingly fantastical and absurd accounting of
Iran's history, before finally announcing he is decertifying the nuclear deal for "violations,"
and announcing new sanctions.
The allegations against Iran went from things that happened a generation ago to treating
things like the specious "Iranian plot" to attack a DC restaurant as not only the government's
fault, but absolute established fact. Beyond that, he blamed Iran for the ISIS wars in Iraq and
Syria, repeatedly accused them of supporting al-Qaeda, and claimed Iran was supporting the 9/11
attackers.
The allegations were so far-fetched by the end, that even President Trump appeared cognizant
that many won't be taken seriously. Later in his speech, he insisted that the claims were
"factual."
When addressing "violations" of the P5+1 nuclear deal, Trump similarly played fast and loose
with the facts, citing heavy water claims that are really more the international community's
violation than Iran's (Iran was guaranteed an international market for the water, but after
Congress got mad the US has refused to buy any more, meaning Iran's totally non-dangerous stock
grew), and accusing them of "intimidating" inspectors, insinuating that was the reason there
aren't investigations at Iranian military sites.
In reality, Iranian military sites are only subject to investigation in the case of a
substantiated suspicion of nuclear activities, and there simply are none. The IAEA has in
recent days clarified multiple times that they don't need or want to visit any military sites
right now. The only allegations about the sites are from the Mujahedin-e Khalq, which has been
the source of repeated false accusations in the past.
And while this was supposed to be a speech about the nuclear deal, Trump closed it off with
comments that very much sound like his goal is regime change, saying Iran's people want to be
able to interact with their neighbors (despite Iran being on very good terms with most of its
neighbors already), and suggesting that whatever he's going to do will lead to "peace and
stability" across the Middle East.
With backing from the Iraqi parliament, public opinion and international support the Iraqi
government of Prime Minister Abadi had for months demanded a return
of the 2003 borders for the Kurdish region. It condemned the illegal independence bid. The
Kurds had pushed far beyond their original borders and occupied areas with critical oil
reserves. The ruling Barzani family mafia sold the oil and pocketed the money that by law was
owned to Iraq's federal government. The Barzani militia mafia occupied the federal border
stations to neighboring countries and kept all custom income to themselves. Meanwhile teachers
and other public workers in the Kurdish region went unpaid.
The Barzani family clan is only one of the powers in the Kurdish region of Iraq.
Historically its main competitor is the Talabani clan. Both clans control their own political
parties (KDP and PUK) and militia. Both had been fighting against each other during a civil war
in the 1990s. Then the Barzanis called in help from Iraqi president Saddam Hussein to defeat
their local enemies.
Over the last decade the Talabanis were handicapped by their ailing patriarch Jalal
Talabani. After the U.S. invasion of Iraq he eschewed a major role in the Kurdish region in
exchange for the ceremonial position of a president of Iraq. When Jalal Talbani
died on October 2 his family immediately asserted its position. It negotiated a deal with
the central Iraqi government to reign in the Barzanis' quasi dictatorial powers. The Iranian
general Qassam Suleiman helped to arrange the agreement.
When the Iraqi government forces, as previously announced, moved to retake Kirkuk from the
Kurds the Kurdish militia forces (peshmerga) under PUK/Talibani command immediately retreated.
The militia under KDP/Barzani command were left in an indefensible position and had to
flee.
Yesterday and today Iraqi national forces retook control of various large oil fields the
Kurds had occupied. They are also back in control of border stations with Syria and Turkey.
Without them the Kurdish region lacks the assets and income to finance any regional
independence. While his project collapsed in front of everyone's eyes not a word was heard from
Masoud Barzani.
The Iraqi government will not only retake full control of the areas the Kurds under Brazani
had illegally usurped. It will also demand new regional elections. It is doubtful that Masoud
Barzani, or any of his sons, can win such local elections after the mismanagement and disasters
they caused
Trump should quickly declare victory over ISIS and resist the neo-cons and Israel calls to
linger in Syria as the US military may become the target of attacks from everyone who want
them out, and this is the large majority in Syria.
After they saw the lack of the US support for the KRG independence, the lack of US
condemnation of Turkey's actions against the YPG, the Syrian Kurds have realized that their
strongest and most reliable allies are ... Bashar al Assad and the Syrian army.
As mentioned in the article, there will be a discreet dialog between the Syrians Kurds and
the Syrian government to the detriment of the USA.
Trump, get your guys out asap!
The pieces are starting to drop into to place. US sure got a kick in the butt after going for
the Syrian oilfields and killing Russian officers. Well thought out asymetrical warfare by
Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran.
"... The 250,000 barrels per day produced in the governorate represent more than a third of the oil output of the entire Kurdish autonomy, while Iraq pumps out more than 4 million barrels daily from its other oil fields. ..."
While the oil contained in the ground in Kirkuk is important to both sides in the long run,
tactically the impact of losing the fields is likely to be more painful for the Kurdistan
Region. The 250,000 barrels per day produced in the governorate represent more than a third of
the oil output of the entire Kurdish autonomy, while Iraq pumps out more than 4 million barrels
daily from its other oil fields.
Still, Baghdad regards the Kurds' unwillingness to share the
proceeds from the export of hydrocarbons in the past half-decade as unfair.
"... Al-Iraqiya TV says the military, anti-terrorist units and federal police have taken control of some areas around the oil-rich city of Kirkuk. It says they advanced without firing a shot. ..."
"... A commander of the local Kurdish police force says Kurds remain in control of Kirkuk province's oil wells. ..."
BAGHDAD (AP) -- The latest on Iraqi government's move to take control of disputed
territories held by Iraqi Kurds outside their autonomous region (all times local):
2:50 a.m.
Iraqi state media say federal troops have entered disputed territories occupied by the
nation's Kurds.
The move comes three years after Kurdish militias seized the areas outside their autonomous
region to defend against an advance by the Islamic State extremist group.
Al-Iraqiya TV says the military, anti-terrorist units and federal police have taken
control of some areas around the oil-rich city of Kirkuk. It says they advanced without firing
a shot.
The maneuver comes three weeks after Kurds voted for independence in a controversial but
symbolic referendum that Baghdad has so far refused to acknowledge. It says the vote organized
by the country's autonomous Kurdish authority was unconstitutional.
A commander of the local Kurdish police force says Kurds remain in control of Kirkuk
province's oil wells.
"... Some analysts view the possible IPO delay as a sign of the problems Aramco and the Saudi government currently face. A lack of transparency, issues with its oil and gas reserves, and the role of the Saudi government as the main stakeholder have all been suggested as the reason for this possible delay. Most of these suggestions, however, are based purely on issues surrounding the IPO itself. The true reason for this delay, however, likely hides among the intricate societal and economic problems in the Kingdom. ..."
"... One obvious reason for a delay is the still-fledgling global oil price. A higher price setting -- above $60 per barrel -- would surely drive up the overall interest in the IPO. As long as OPEC and non-OPEC members, such as Russia, are still struggling to get a grip on the oil market, the potential for disaster looms. Needless to say, an oil price slump would have a detrimental effect on the expected revenues of the IPO. ..."
"... The impact of an influx of $1-2 trillion into the current Saudi economy is bound to have a significant impact. The implementation of Saudi Vision 2030 is broad and ambitiously planned. A full diversification of the economy is needed to guarantee work and salaries for future young Saudis, with the end of government subsidies or handouts. ..."
"... We previously indicated that China could step in as a financial savior. With around 8.5 million bpd of crude oil imports, which is 2.5 million bdp more than in 2014, the attractiveness of having a stake in Saudi Aramco is huge. Even though an energy diversification program is in place, China's imports from Saudi Arabia are going to increase. For Beijing, a stake in one of its main suppliers is a very attractive proposition. It will not only lock in Saudi crude oil and petroleum product exports to China but it will also provide some additional political and strategic clout in the heart of the Middle East. ..."
"... Given most of the largest sovereign wealth funds were created from their own oil revenue, I don't see them getting into someone else's oil. ..."
The FT notes that talks
about a private sale to foreign governments - including China - and other investors have
gathered pace in recent weeks, according to five people familiar with the IPO preparations,
amid growing concerns about the feasibility of an international listing.
The Saudi state oil company has struggled to select a suitable international venue for its
shares, as New York and London have vied for what has been billed as the largest ever
flotation.
The company would still aim to list shares on the kingdom's Tadawul exchange next year if
they pursue the private sale, the people said.
The latest proposal by the company's financial advisers was described by one of the people
as a "face-saving" option for Saudi Aramco, which has worked on plans to list its shares
internationally for more than a year.
Desk chatter included comments that the Saudis were anxious about the level of due diligence
and transparency involved in a public offering.
A Saudi Aramco spokesperson said:
"A range of options, for the public listing of Saudi Aramco, continue to be held under
active review. No decision has been made and the IPO process remains on track."
The planned listing of a 5 per cent stake in Saudi Aramco is the centrepiece of an economic
reform programme led by Saudi Arabia's powerful crown prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is keen
for a 2018 IPO. He has said the company could be worth $2tn although a Financial Times analysis
put the valuation figure at around $1tn.
An economic recession in the kingdom is piling pressure on the prince, the king's son and
next in line for the throne, amid calls for the government to increase investment and ease
austerity. As we noted
previously, there could be more at play here...
Some analysts view the possible IPO delay as a sign of the problems Aramco and the Saudi
government currently face. A lack of transparency, issues with its oil and gas reserves, and
the role of the Saudi government as the main stakeholder have all been suggested as the reason
for this possible delay. Most of these suggestions, however, are based purely on issues
surrounding the IPO itself. The true reason for this delay, however, likely hides among the
intricate societal and economic problems in the Kingdom.
One obvious reason for a delay is the still-fledgling global oil price. A higher price
setting -- above $60 per barrel -- would surely drive up the overall interest in the IPO. As
long as OPEC and non-OPEC members, such as Russia, are still struggling to get a grip on the
oil market, the potential for disaster looms. Needless to say, an oil price slump would have a
detrimental effect on the expected revenues of the IPO.
The analysts, it seems, feel no need to look any further than this simple oil price
explanation, but several other key factors should be addressed
The impact of an influx of $1-2 trillion into the current Saudi economy is bound to have a
significant impact. The implementation of Saudi Vision 2030 is broad and ambitiously planned. A
full diversification of the economy is needed to guarantee work and salaries for future young
Saudis, with the end of government subsidies or handouts.
A multitrillion investment scheme in a rather small local economy will likely result in
total disorder, inflation and possibly ineffective investment schemes. The attractiveness of
investing the total amount could lead to staggering inflation, higher costs and superfluous
projects being realized.
A delay of such an influx of cash seems to be more and more attractive, giving the Saudi
government and local industries more time to adjust and put in place the right steps for a
sustainable and commercially attractive economic future.
We previously
indicated that China could step in as a financial savior. With around 8.5 million bpd of
crude oil imports, which is 2.5 million bdp more than in 2014, the attractiveness of having a
stake in Saudi Aramco is huge. Even though an energy diversification program is in place,
China's imports from Saudi Arabia are going to increase. For Beijing, a stake in one of its
main suppliers is a very attractive proposition. It will not only lock in Saudi crude oil and
petroleum product exports to China but it will also provide some additional political and
strategic clout in the heart of the Middle East.
There will, of course, be a few big bankers who will be upset as their billion dollar
fee/commission just went up in smoke, but this may give MBS some breathing room - without the
undue attention of an IPO - as he deals with the nation's economic slowdown. However, coming
just a few days after the Saudi king's trip to Moscow, the timing of this leaked information
seems interesting at the least.
Tugg McFancy •Oct 13, 2017 5:41 PM
Given most of the largest sovereign wealth funds were created from their own oil
revenue, I don't see them getting into someone else's oil.
Freddie -> Government needs you to pay taxes •Oct 13, 2017 3:00 PM
They would have to release information on their in the ground oil reserves. Their biggest
oil field Ghawar is 60 years old and almost dead. They shelved it to hide this.
It contains a lot of interesting information. For example on page 15 we can see that oil
field discovery rate has dropped from around 20% to only 5% in 2015. Saying that it has
fallen of a cliff is not an exaggeration.
"... I already picked the peak, 2015. So I was slightly off, but not by all that much as you can clearly see by the chart. I think we are on the peak plateau right now. ..."
I already picked the peak, 2015. So I was slightly off, but not by all that much as you can
clearly see by the chart. I think we are on the peak plateau right now.
The actual 12-month
peak could be anywhere from 2017 to 2019 but no later than that. Well, in my humble opinion
anyway.
The question was about US LTO, you have picked the World C+C peak, but as far as I
remember you have not said anything recently about US LTO except that it will be before
2025.
So far the 12 month centered average for US LTO peaked in June 2015.
If US LTO output continues at the August output level (4750 kb/d) for 5 months, then a new
12 month centered average peak will be reached by Aug 2017 (average output from Feb 2017 to
Jan 2018). US LTO output has risen about 600 kb/d over the past 12 months so an assumption of
no further US LTO output increases over the next 5 months is a conservative estimate in my
view.
"... A bit old so you may have seen it already. But if you haven´t then I highly recommend you to read the global oil supply report from HSBC: YouTube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KfVJBNX2U4 The report: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9wSgViWVAfzUEgzMlBfR3UxNDg/view contains a lot of interesting information. For example on page 15 we can see that oil field discovery rate has dropped from around 20% to only 5% in 2015. Saying that it has fallen of a cliff is not an exaggeration. ..."
Iraq's oil production has increased by 1.4 million b/day since oil prices last averaged $100
in July 2014. More than any other country
Chart on Twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMHrqLZXkAAFiro.jpg
The report:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9wSgViWVAfzUEgzMlBfR3UxNDg/view contains a lot of interesting information. For example on page 15 we can see that oil
field discovery rate has dropped from around 20% to only 5% in 2015. Saying that it has
fallen of a cliff is not an exaggeration.
"... By handing off any real decision to Congress, [Trump] can avoid having to make a hard decision himself. And by picking a fight with Corker, he has a scapegoat if his supporters grow frustrated with a lack of action in Congress. It seems plausible that Trump's allies are simply being prepared for another legislative failure. ..."
For Trump's critics, including virtually all Iran policy experts at the moment, this attempt
at scuttling the world's most sophisticated arms control agreement sends absolutely the wrong
signal to Iran. Trump is essentially saying, "It doesn't really matter whether you have adhered
to the letter of the agreement, we're still going to break our commitment because, honestly, we
just don't like you. And by the way, you can't count on the United States to keep its word in
the future."
Trump is sending an even more damaging message to the rest of the world: "We as a country
suffer from mood swings so severe and delusions so enduring that we can no longer be a
responsible member of the international community."
After deep-sixing the Trans-Pacific Partnership and pulling the United States out of the
Paris climate agreement, the Trump administration is making good on this one campaign promise
even as all the others stall in Congress or the courts. Trump will make America First even if
it means going against obvious American national interests, even those defined by the Chamber
of Commerce.
This is not the first time that other countries have witnessed the political instability of
the United States. But in the past, some underlying continuity provided a measure of
reassurance to other countries. Voters might choose vanilla or chocolate, but the world still
expects in the end to get some variety of ice cream.
What makes the Trump era different is the lack of that underlying continuity.
... ... ...
It's not just the North Koreans. The democratic world, for instance, found the transition to
the George W. Bush years particularly bewildering. Even before the attacks of September 11,
2001, the Bush administration announced that it wouldn't implement the Kyoto Protocol on global
warming. After the attacks, the administration broke with international law by embarking on a
"preventive" war, violating the Geneva Conventions on treatment of captured combatants, and
engaging in torture. The administration also backed away from the Rome statute establishing the
International Criminal Court in May 2002 and withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty
with the Russia in June 2002. All of these actions profoundly troubled America's allies.
... ... ...
In other words, even with its sharp turn toward unilateralism, the Bush administration held
to a bipartisan consensus in favor of multilateral initiatives that benefit the United States.
In some ways Bush offered only a variation on the Clinton theme of "a la carte multilateralism"
in which the United States picks and chooses the international structures with which it wants
to cooperate.
This kind of Bush-style unilateralism wrapped in a-la-carte multilateralism
has returned to the White House. It's represented by most of the top administration officials
involved in foreign affairs: Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Pentagon chief James Mattis, and
National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster. These are the so-called adults in the room .
But Trump is something different. And that's what has thrown Republicans like Bob Corker
(R-TN) into a tizzy.
... ... ...
Bob Corker is not a moderate Republican. He has an 80 percent ranking from
the American Conservative Union for 2016 (by comparison, Susan Collins of Maine clocks in at 44
percent). He's no softie on Iran, either. Last year, he continued to try to pile on additional
sanctions against Iran. Ultimately, he had to content himself with an extension of the Iran
Sanctions Act for another 10 years. During the presidential campaign, Corker advised Donald
Trump on foreign policy and was even in the running for secretary of state.
Corker is cut from the same cloth as Rex Tillerson. They're conservative Republicans who
believe in "America First." But they're also committed to preserving a measure of
professionalism, if nothing else, when it comes to U.S. foreign policy. They want to preserve
U.S. alliances. They want to advance the interests of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
They're not isolationists, and they're not exactly internationalists either. They occupy the
right wing of the underlying foreign policy consensus that encompasses the think tanks, lobby
shops, and mainstream media in DC. They play ball whether it's a Democrat or a Republican in
the White House and whichever party controls Congress. They are part of the continuity in
American foreign policy that transcends the elections.
So, when Bob Corker takes aim at Donald Trump, it represents a serious breach not just
within the Republican Party but within the foreign policy establishment. Over the weekend,
Corker
charged that Trump was making threats toward other countries that could send the United
States reeling toward "World War III." Later, Corker
tweeted in response to Trump, "It's a shame the White House has become an adult day care
center. Someone obviously missed their shift this morning." Having decided not to run for
re-election, Corker is now free to speak truth to power.
... ... ...
So, why pick a fight with Corker just when the president will need him most
on the congressional battle over any new Iran sanctions? Writes Adam Taylor in The
Washington Post :
By handing off any real decision to Congress, [Trump] can avoid having to make a hard
decision himself. And by picking a fight with Corker, he has a scapegoat if his supporters
grow frustrated with a lack of action in Congress. It seems plausible that Trump's allies are
simply being prepared for another legislative failure.
In other words, it's all about the war that Trump and his still-loyal lieutenant Steve
Bannon, assisted by UN ambassador Nikki Haley, have declared on the "deep state." They want to
dismantle the foreign policy establishment that has presided over America's engagement in the
world. A progressive might find much to rejoice in this attack, given that America's engagement
with the world has often been through war and corporate penetration. But the establishment is
more than that, and Trump/Bannon also want to unravel everything of diplomatic and humanitarian
value as well.
John Feffer is the director of Foreign Policy In Focus and the author of the dystopian
novel
Splinterlands .
Great to see you posting an update. I can honestly tell you that the "WEIRD" rise in
production per well in the Bakken may not be as high as the data shows. Unfortunately, I
can't publicly state the reason I know this. If you contact me via my email address: [email protected] , I can provide a few more
clues.
However, the SHITE is going to hit the fan in the U.S. Shale Oil Industry once this news
gets out which will likely be made public shortly.
2017-10-11 BSEEgov: From operator reports, it is estimated that approximately 32.68 percent
of the current oil production in the Gulf of Mexico remains shut-in, which equates to 571,854
barrels of oil per day. It is also estimated that approximately 20.51 percent of the natural
gas production, or 660.55 million cubic feet per day in the Gulf of Mexico is shut-in.
https://www.bsee.gov/newsroom/latest-news/statements-and-releases/press-releases/bsee-tropical-storm-nate-activity-4
Estimate of "Lost" Gulf of Mexico crude production due to Hurricane Nate is 7.82 million
barrels of oil.
However, in the wake of the president's speech on Friday, the JCPOA's survival
looked tenuous.
In the speech, Trump declared: "I am directing my administration to work
closely with Congress and our allies to address the deal's many serious flaws so
the Iranian regime can never threaten the world with nuclear weapons."
He noted that congressional leaders were already drafting amendments to
legislation that would include restrictions on ballistic missiles and make the
curbs on Iran's nuclear programme under the 2015 deal permanent, and to reimpose
sanctions instantly if those restrictions were breached.
However, any such changes would need 60 votes in the US Senate to pass, and
Democrats are high unlikely to give them their backing. Even if they did pass into
law, the restrictions would represent a unilateral effort to change the accord
that would not be acceptable to the other national signatories.
Hours earlier, the US secretary of state,
Rex Tillerson
had acknowledged that it was very unlikely that the JCPOA
agreement could be change, but suggested that the issue of Iran's ballistic
missile programme and the time limits on some of the nuclear constraints in the
deal, could be dealt with in a separate agreement that could exist alongside the
JCPOA.
The deal may certainly be seen as a purely strategic/economic measure to stabilize the oil
market – with no geopolitical overtones. And yet OPEC is geared to become a brand new
animal – with Russia and Saudi Arabia de facto deciding where the global oil markets
go, and then telling the other OPEC players. It's open to question what Iran, Algeria,
Nigeria, Venezuela, among others, will have to say about this. The barely disguised aim is to
bring oil prices up to a band of $60-75 a barrel by the middle of next year. Certainly a good
deal for the Aramco IPO.
There were a rash of other deals clinched in Moscow – such as Aramco and the Russian
Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) $1 billion fund for oil-services projects in Russia, plus
another $1 billion for a technology fund.
"... The market is "balancing", stocks are drawing down, demand is healthy, US rig count/LTO does not increase, Nigeria and Libya have a very small upside in the short term, Venezuela is a pretty big downside risk, offshore is not too healthy. And the Saudis cut _voluntarily_ because ? ..."
"... If true, it seems likely to me that the Saudi's [and Russia?] are going to push the oil price issue and the best interests of the West be damned. Looks to me like SS might get back in the money next year. ..."
"... I don't think the Saudis or Russians would be concerned too much about what happens in the west. The upcoming supply shortage will happen, anyway. There is a lot of talk by the Saudis of making sure prices don't rise too much, but I am sure that is fake concern. ..."
"... I am sure this post does not apply to shale, because shale is a Wall Street phenomenon. However, for us, a price spike will not immediately lead to drilling wells. First, after what we have been going through the last three years, I would want to make sure the price is going to hold. Yes, no way to know that really, but I can guarantee we would not be rushing out to get permits. ..."
"... That is what always blows me away about Wall Street. They analyze every metric imaginable when it comes to E & P's except the bottom line. I'd rather own 50 BOPD and make $50K per month than own 500 BOPD and lose $50K per month. ..."
"... Is it possible that all of the end of oil talk actually helps cause a supply crunch? Believe me, it is going through our minds now that maybe we need to be worried about decreasing demand in our lifetimes due to EV's. ..."
"... Best to ignore the EV wackos and watch Chinese and India oil consumption data. ..."
The market is "balancing", stocks are drawing down, demand is healthy, US rig
count/LTO does not increase, Nigeria and Libya have a very small upside in the short term,
Venezuela is a pretty big downside risk, offshore is not too healthy. And the Saudis cut
_voluntarily_ because ?
Because, frankly they know more about the oil market than most of the "anal ists". Rather
than fighting them, and claiming no more need for "cuts", they are playing along with the
crowd. When the shortage hits, they can claim surprise and blame the EIA for over reporting.
Better price for the IPO.
If true, it seems likely to me that the Saudi's [and Russia?] are going to push the oil
price issue and the best interests of the West be damned. Looks to me like SS might get back
in the money next year.
I wonder if Trump will realize that now is not the time to have Exxon's ex-CEO as
Secretary of State. I think that Trump really wanted better relations with Russia [and Russia
wanted better US relations], but politics has totally destroyed that idea – and I think
that Russia now knows it.
I don't think the Saudis or Russians would be concerned too much about what happens in
the west. The upcoming supply shortage will happen, anyway. There is a lot of talk by the
Saudis of making sure prices don't rise too much, but I am sure that is fake concern.
They make it look like they are concerned shale production will gear up, which goes along
with what the pundits are saying. They are playing us like a violin. Much like their
purported "cuts". Jack production up several months, take it back to where it was before, and
call it a cut. We bought it, hook line and sinker.
I am sure this post does not apply to shale, because shale is a Wall Street phenomenon.
However, for us, a price spike will not immediately lead to drilling wells. First, after what
we have been going through the last three years, I would want to make sure the price is going
to hold. Yes, no way to know that really, but I can guarantee we would not be rushing out to
get permits.
Second, after this crash, we would want to heal some. Get cash balances higher, then maybe
actually take some decent draws. After all, we are in this for the income, not to see how
much we can produce. That is what always blows me away about Wall Street. They analyze
every metric imaginable when it comes to E & P's except the bottom line. I'd rather own
50 BOPD and make $50K per month than own 500 BOPD and lose $50K per month.
Third, there are some much cheaper things we can do to boost production than drilling new
wells. Workovers may not yield as much, but they cost 1/5 or less that of a new well.
I wonder, outside of shale, if we would see this type of attitude if there is a supply
crunch? Will all those high cost projects suddenly come back on line.
Finally, everyone and their dog is proclaiming the end of oil anyway. Everything is going
to electric in terms of transportation. Countries abolishing ICE vehicle production. Never
mind that is in 2040 mostly.
Now, why would I want to drill more wells knowing oil is nearing the end? Might as well
just try to make what I can off this existing ones. No reason to spend a bunch of CAPEX.
Is it possible that all of the end of oil talk actually helps cause a supply crunch?
Believe me, it is going through our minds now that maybe we need to be worried about
decreasing demand in our lifetimes due to EV's.
Saudi Aramco plans to make "the deepest
customer allocation cuts in its history" in oil supplies in November to help reduce global
inventories and balance the market.
State-run Saudi Arabian Oil Co., known as Aramco, will make an "unprecedented" cut of
560,000 barrels a day in its allocations to customers next month, the Saudi energy ministry
said in a statement. Aramco plans to supply 7.15 million barrels a day "despite very strong
demand" that exceeds 7.7 million barrels a day, it said.
"Saudi Arabia is once again demonstrating extraordinary leadership in its commitment to
re-balancing the market, as we approach the upcoming key meeting of November 30 in Vienna, by
restraining not only the top-line of production volume, but even more importantly the bottom
line of exports, which are what ultimately shape global inventories and market balances," the
ministry said. "The kingdom expects all other participants in the effort to follow suit and to
maintain the high levels of overall conformity achieved in August going forward."
Saudi Arabia, the world's top crude exporter, is leading the Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries and other producers including Russia in paring output under a deal that
helped propel oil into a bull market in September. Lower compliance with the curbs promised by
some nations combined with rising production in OPEC members Libya and Nigeria -- both exempt
from reducing output due to their internal strife -- have added pressure on Saudi Arabia to
make deeper cuts of its own.
Brent, the global benchmark, erased earlier declines to trade marginally higher at $55.62 a
barrel at 3:47 pm in London after the news of the Saudi oil allocations cuts.
The decrease in allocations for November "constitutes a full 290,000 barrels a day reduction
over and above the 486,000 barrels a day" that Saudi Arabia pledged to cut as part of its
commitment to the global output accord, the ministry said. This adds up "to a massive total of
almost 800,000 barrels a day" in cuts, it said.
Saudi Aramco plans
to make "the deepest customer allocation cuts in its history" in oil supplies in November to
help reduce global inventories and balance the market.
"Saudi Arabia is once again demonstrating extraordinary leadership in its commitment to
re-balancing the market, as we approach the upcoming key meeting of November 30 in Vienna, by
restraining not only the top-line of production volume, but even more importantly the bottom
line of exports, which are what ultimately shape global inventories and market balances," the
ministry said. "The kingdom expects all other participants in the effort to follow suit and to
maintain the high levels of overall conformity achieved in August going forward."
Saudi Arabia, the world's top crude exporter, is leading the Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries and other producers including Russia in paring output under a deal that
helped propel oil into a bull market in September. Lower compliance with the curbs promised by
some nations combined with rising production in OPEC members Libya and Nigeria -- both exempt
from reducing output due to their internal strife -- have added pressure on Saudi Arabia to
make deeper cuts of its own.
Brent, the global benchmark, erased earlier declines to trade marginally higher at $55.62 a
barrel at 3:47 pm in London after the news of the Saudi oil allocations cuts.
The decrease in allocations for November "constitutes a full 290,000 barrels a day reduction
over and above the 486,000 barrels a day" that Saudi Arabia pledged to cut as part of its
commitment to the global output accord, the ministry said. This adds up "to a massive total of
almost 800,000 barrels a day" in cuts, it said.
Jeff – I think I'm on the same page as you: it might not be voluntary. They had 5%
decline rates from mid 2015 until they bought on Al Shaybah extension. They started to have
something similar from mid 206 until they made their cuts in October. If you extend natural
5% decline rate from then till now on their pre-cut rate you'd just about get their current
production. During the past year they have been drawing down stocks of crude and products for
exports, and have announced no new greenfield developments. Khurais expansion was due about
now but is going to be next year now, and was announced by the Aramco CEO that it would only
replace decline, not increase capacity. They lost a water injection line on one major field
to corrosion, I can't remember the replacement time, but a couple of years I'd have thought.
All their major investment announcements have been to do with anything but oil in Saudi
– petrochem, tight gas (I think a failure), maybe Russian gas, now India – that's
what companies do when they've run out of options with their traditional business – the
managers in oil companies don't take high risk decisions like that voluntarily.
If nothing else they might not have any spare capacity so any maintenance (planned or
unplanned) will not be able to be replaced. But maybe they are now back to natural decline
and want to get ahead of the numbers so it looks like they can still control production
rather than being dictated to by depletion.
Aleklett wrote in his book that Saudi can maintain their current production up until around
2030 but they need to invest a lot more in new projects. I don´t remember his
assumptions on P2 but he is usually on the conservative side.
There can be several reasons for the IPO but I think their motives are: i) need to invest
a lot more than what is publicly disclosed, ii) P2 is lower than what is officially stated,
iii) use the money to diversify the economy. Everything you read in the MSM is about iii) but
I think that i) & ii) are more important.
BTW. Norway privatised Statoil just when their production peaked.
"... But demand has increased over 3 million combined the past two years it appears. With the price staying low because high decline LTO can make up any short fall, just ask Wall Street traders and the business media. ..."
"... I may be completely wrong, but no reason traders can't keep prices low for a lot longer yet. And the suddenly world inventories hit new lows as demand continues to increase 1.5+ million yoy. ..."
"... But geology is the primary concern. That's why Ron made the blog. This stuff CAN run out or run short, and we see very clearly now after 3 yrs that price doesn't greatly affect production. ..."
"... We can all rest assured that geology WILL affect production. If there's not much left, then it won't flow, regardless of investment. ..."
EV push is causing companies such as Shell to say peak oil demand is coming soon. If Shell
believes that no reason to be putting a lot of CAPEX into oil exploration.
But demand has increased over 3 million combined the past two years it appears. With
the price staying low because high decline LTO can make up any short fall, just ask Wall
Street traders and the business media.
I may be completely wrong, but no reason traders can't keep prices low for a lot
longer yet. And the suddenly world inventories hit new lows as demand continues to increase
1.5+ million yoy.
Car numbers are expected to double by the 2040's. In order for EV's to take over by then they
would have to be built at the rate of over 100 million a year starting right now.
Even if there were 1 billion EV's on the planet by 2045 the other 1 billion vehicles would
have to be ICE driven in some form. That is not happening, so I think the EV threat to oil is
way overblown.
If EV production can reach 130 million cars per year by 2045 it will have reached the
replacement rate of ICE's and take another decade or more to complete the takeover.
Those are huge numbers and it is doubtful that EV's will be produced that fast unless oil
becomes scarce. If oil prices go up, EV's become even more desirable, so keeping prices
somewhat low is better for the oil companies.
Maybe the real reason that companies are not exploring and developing more oil is that
there is not a lot left worth developing and not a lot of places left to explore with current
technology. They will concentrate on higher profit plays while shifting to other business
models.
"Maybe the real reason that companies are not exploring and developing more oil is that
there is not a lot left worth developing and not a lot of places left to explore with current
technology."
Remember that the majors own fewer and fewer reserves, not just in the context of geology,
but because NOCs have bought them up -- or the stuff may be forbidden. Iranian fields and
Russian fields are largely forbidden to US companies. Libya's oil is probably the best oil in
the planet and you're not going to see much of a queue of companies bidding.
But geology is the primary concern. That's why Ron made the blog. This stuff CAN run
out or run short, and we see very clearly now after 3 yrs that price doesn't greatly affect
production.
We can all rest assured that geology WILL affect production. If there's not much left,
then it won't flow, regardless of investment.
Price affects production – you only don't see it. It's only 3 years cheap now. Lots of
the projects coming online now have been planned and financed before this time.
And if you already started the project, and sunk the first billions it's difficult to
impossible to stop.
The same thing will happen when prices are high again. When is seen that Permian fracking
alone can't supply the whole world, projects have to be started, investors have to be found
and then it will take years until the oil from "extra deep sea under salt antarctica extra
heavy" flows.
When the pipeline is filled, it can keep long time flowing. This is the thing that drives
pork cycles – the time lag of investing and result.
Even shale needed a ramp up of several years – all these service companies needed to
be founded, pipelines build. This apparatus now can keep going, but won't increase by much
without additional tripple digit billion $ investing.
40$ oil wasn't enough to stop many production directly, because it's above most production
costs. Even infill drilling old fields to boost production still works – but without
exploring (is there still enough stuff) and bringing new fields online this will decline
soon.
Why are you talking about shale? We're 3 years in and price hasn't affected Russia output.
Well maybe it did. It increased it. Here is a list of countries producing more oil today than
in 2014:
USA
Russia
Canada
Brazil
Ecuador
Norway
Turkmenistan
UK
Iran
Iraq
Oman
Qatar
KSA
UAE
Libya
Angola
Indonesia
Malaysia
Thailand
You might be able to find a handful of those that had a long term project come online. The
majority achieved it with infill drilling or politics, that didn't take 3 yrs to plan and
fund. The price didn't affect it. Nor should it. If you HAVE to have it, you will get it.
(Possible paywall, I can't quite figure out how it works on Energy Voice)
"This is particularly evident when we look at investment. While investments are expected
to pick up slightly this year and in 2018, it is clear that this is not anywhere close to
past levels and it is more evident in short-cycle, rather than long-cycle projects, which are
the industry's baseload.
"The issue of a potential investment shortfall was a recurring theme at last week's
Russia Energy Week conference, with President Vladimir Putin, as well as many oil and
energy ministers making reference to the critical investment challenge.
"As we have all learned from previous price cycles, such pronounced and long-term
declines in investments are a serious threat to future supply. But given our projected
future demand for oil, with our upcoming World Oil Outlook 2017 expecting demand to reach
over 111 million barrels a day by 2040, an increase of almost 16 million barrels a day, the
world simply cannot afford a supply crunch."
It's noticeable that OPEC, IEA and drillers/service companies, even the Aramco CEO are
raising the lack of investment more and more, but they all stay away from discussing the fall
in discoveries and lack of attractive prospective projects. Part of it is real concern,
though it's noticeable they don't offer much in the way of solutions, and definitely none
that might impact their bottom lines in the short term, but part is pre-emptive
arse-coverage.
A lot of factors seem to be lining up for an economic bust next year, but then they have
looked like that for a few years (maybe the low oil price has contributed to staving off the
problem), if it happens a supply crunch might go unnoticed for some time, and only come
appear as the real problem it will be when there is some sort of recovery expected.
I am quite sure I am not the only one, but at constantly looking at the commercial inventory
number on the EIA weekly report, I am absolutely convinced it is not real. The only time I
have seen it adjusted is when they decided to discontinue reporting of lease storage oil. As
if they had any idea of what that amount was. In accounting, it is required to take an annual
inventory. Only one other company I know of actually attempts to do a physical count of
stored oil inventory, and they only do some areas. I've never heard of EIA ever doing a
physical inventory of that number.
When I know the production figure is way off each week, it make me keep looking at that funky
looking, stagnant number. The rest of the world's inventory is dropping fast, but we still
use a decades old funky number. And calculate to its upward or downwards movement with
completely false numbers.
Art is very couscous as he remembers that many claimed similar thing in 2015 and 2016 and have
thier faces egged.
Initially (in 2014) the consensus was that this is six month to a year blip and then there
will be business as usual. It was not. It is funny that now $60 for WTI is considered high
price.
US LTO proved to be more resident to price crash then most people assumed. Whether this is
just result of overinvestment in the past or continuing support from Wall Street (junk bond
generation machine) plus the ability of Wall street to produce "paper oil" and drive price
down is unclear.
But now keeping oil price low for the USA means subsidizing China and India. So the situation
and behaviors of Wall Street might slightly change.
Notable quotes:
"... New from Laherrere (2 Oct): https://aspofrance.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/jmj-jr7271.pdf It's in French but the figures speak for themselves (and google translate works too). He expects US LTO to decline. ..."
"... Capitalism has always had a Strong State to enforce its rules, often violently, from its emergence in the 14th Century Italian City States, to its current neoliberal form. It needs a strong government. ..."
"... You can add that neoliberalism needs to enforce oil prices too (energy prices in general). Often violently (Iraq, Libya, Syria). It does need cheap oil to function properly with its emphasis of globalization and extended global supply chains, as well as "low inventories" mantra. ..."
"... With over $60 per barrel oil price permanent stagnation of global neoliberal economy is a real threat. For the USA it is given. With over $100 for several years it might produce the global stock market crash, and another Great Recession (although the previous one did not actually ended). ..."
"... So naturally the power of the major neoliberal state (the USA) and its diplomatic and military machine will be applied not to allow this scenario unless this is short term and serves some distinct purpose. ..."
"... We might also view the current situation as a kind of Hail Mary pass by financial oligarchy which understands that neoliberalism shelf life is coming to the end and tries to prolong it. I don't know. ..."
"... But "paper oil" phenomenon definitely plays an important role in the suppression of the oil prices. Subsidies (direct and indirect) and naked shorting has the power to manipulate the prices down, if you can compensate losses at one area, by gains in another. Which is the case for the US economy as a whole. And neoliberal economy globally. ..."
"... The experience of 2014-2017 strongly suggests that in casino capitalism the balance of supply and demand for oil can be achieved at wide range of prices, depending on Wall Street agenda. And if this means ripping of producers, so be it. They can't stop producing, as their balance of payment depends on oil revenues and they are part of global neoliberal economy and dollar system. Considerable part of them have foreign debt that needs to to be serviced, which also helps to put them in the situation of Wall Street hostages. So they can be taken and were taken for a ride. ..."
"... Then the governments need to dig deep into their pockets to provide funds for capital expenditures for oil, because at $60 oil there won't be enough to keep the economies going for long. Tip: Saudi Arabia, who has one of the lowest costs to produce oil, needs over $80 oil to keep their economy at close to breakeven. Most of the rest are much worse. ..."
"... They make a lot of noise that other countries need to up capex greatly, but they are not doing it either. So what will? Hint: oil price. ..."
"... In a perfect world, a low priced oil would be what we need. Unfortunately, we are limited by the geology of the earth, and the technology we have to work with. At present, $60 oil price will not bring enough out of the earth to keep the economies growing for very long. ..."
"... With multiple natural disasters to clean up after and a desire by some to pump more money into defense, I can't see business as usual in the US continuing. ..."
Capitalism has always had a Strong State to enforce its rules, often violently, from its emergence
in the 14th Century Italian City States, to its current neoliberal form. It needs a strong government.
You can add that neoliberalism needs to enforce oil prices too (energy prices in general).
Often violently (Iraq, Libya, Syria). It does need cheap oil to function properly with its emphasis
of globalization and extended global supply chains, as well as "low inventories" mantra.
With over $60 per barrel oil price permanent stagnation of global neoliberal economy is a real
threat. For the USA it is given. With over $100 for several years it might produce the global
stock market crash, and another Great Recession (although the previous one did not actually ended).
So naturally the power of the major neoliberal state (the USA) and its diplomatic and military
machine will be applied not to allow this scenario unless this is short term and serves some distinct
purpose.
For example, the direct or indirect decision to fuel shale oil boom under Obama might well
be one of reasons for the previous over $100 per barrel period; I always asked myself -- why money
were flowing so freely at very questionable enterprises? Which have tiny chances of paying them
back outside the "evergreen" loans mode (constant refinancing). Why this boom in shale junk bonds,
kind of micro housing bubble, occurred when experience of 2008 was still very fresh; why nobody
understood the inevitability of the coming bust? Or creation of such a bust was in the plans ?
That's why probably we now see such a prolonged period of low oil prices. And for the US shale
industry in less then $50 dollar per barrel environment, Germans have a nice phase: "The Moor
has done his duty, the Moor can go"
We might also view the current situation as a kind of Hail Mary pass by financial oligarchy
which understands that neoliberalism shelf life is coming to the end and tries to prolong it.
I don't know.
But "paper oil" phenomenon definitely plays an important role in the suppression of the
oil prices. Subsidies (direct and indirect) and naked shorting has the power to manipulate the
prices down, if you can compensate losses at one area, by gains in another. Which is the case
for the US economy as a whole. And neoliberal economy globally.
All that means that people who still provide naïve supply/demand curves here and talk about
the balance of supply and demand based on EIA figures need to think about it ;-).
The experience of 2014-2017 strongly suggests that in casino capitalism the balance of
supply and demand for oil can be achieved at wide range of prices, depending on Wall Street agenda.
And if this means ripping of producers, so be it. They can't stop producing, as their balance
of payment depends on oil revenues and they are part of global neoliberal economy and dollar system.
Considerable part of them have foreign debt that needs to to be serviced, which also helps to
put them in the situation of Wall Street hostages. So they can be taken and were taken for a ride.
So power of Saudi to influence the oil prices is definitely exaggerated (not that Saudi are
independent nation in any case; they are the USA vassal). Currently I think it is the USA which
has most say in setting of global oil prices and even can "overrule" the decisions by OPEC it
does not like, at least for a year or more (at the end, paper oil can't fuel cars or planes,
so increasing "paper oil production" can't be done forever)
The role of finance in setting of oil prices creates problem with the applicability of neo-classical
economics to the casino capitalism environment. Neo-classical economics denies the existence of
the financial sector and the possibility of price manipulations by this sector.
As such it is completely detached from reality. Which makes it another example of voodoo science
(with nice graphs though ;-)
Then the governments need to dig deep into their pockets to provide funds for capital expenditures
for oil, because at $60 oil there won't be enough to keep the economies going for long. Tip: Saudi
Arabia, who has one of the lowest costs to produce oil, needs over $80 oil to keep their economy
at close to breakeven. Most of the rest are much worse.
They make a lot of noise that other countries need to up capex greatly, but they are not
doing it either. So what will? Hint: oil price.
In a perfect world, a low priced oil would be what we need. Unfortunately, we are limited
by the geology of the earth, and the technology we have to work with. At present, $60 oil price
will not bring enough out of the earth to keep the economies growing for very long.
At a much higher price, it has the same effect. So, at present, we are stuck with an imperfect
world, and an oil price that won't generate sufficient capital investment to keep the world moving.
With multiple natural disasters to clean up after and a desire by some to pump more money
into defense, I can't see business as usual in the US continuing.
I think demand will change. Why focus our efforts on getting more oil if we don't have an economy
to support? Lose a ton of cars in floods and fires, and what do you replace them with?
The paper is two years old. Looks how his prediction fared. Stagnation is still with us
althouth low oil prices lifted all the boats. But this period is coming to the end.
Notable quotes:
"... The financial crisis that erupted in 2008 challenged the foundations of orthodox economic theory and policy. At its outset, orthodox economists were stunned into silence as evidenced by their inability to answer the Queen of England's simple question (November 5th, 2008) to the faculty of the London School of Economics as to why no one foresaw the crisis. ..."
"... Six years later, orthodoxy has fought back and largely succeeded in blocking change of thought and policy. The result has been economic stagnation ..."
"... Perspective # 3 is the progressive position which is rooted in Keynesian economics and can be labeled the "destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis" ..."
"... It is identified with the New Deal wing of the Democratic Party and the labor movement, but it has no standing within major economics departments owing to their suppression of alternatives to economic orthodoxy. ..."
"... However, financial excess is just an element of the crisis and the full explanation is far deeper than just financial market regulatory failure According to the Keynesian destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis, the deep cause is generalized economic policy failure rooted in the flawed neoliberal economic paradigm that was adopted in the late 1970s and early 1980s. ..."
"... globalization reconfigured global production by transferring manufacturing from the U.S. and Europe to emerging market economies. This new global division of labor was then supported by having U.S. consumers serve as the global economy's buyer of first and last resort, which explains the U.S. trade deficit and the global imbalances problem. ..."
"... This new global division of labor inevitably created large trade deficits that also contributed to weakening the aggregate demand (AD)generation process by causing a hemorrhage of spending on imports (Palley, 2015) ..."
"... Finance does this through three channels. First, financial markets have captured control of corporations via enforcement of the shareholder value maximization paradigm of corporate governance. Consequently, corporations now serve financial market interests along with the interests of top management. Second, financial markets in combination with corporations lobby politically for the neoliberal policy mix. ..."
"... Third, financial innovation has facilitated and promoted financial market control of corporations via hostile take-overs, leveraged buyouts and reverse capital distributions. Financial innovation has therefore been key for enforcing Wall Street's construction of the shareholder value maximization paradigm. ..."
"... The second vital role of finance is the support of AD. The neoliberal model gradually undermined the income and demand generation process, creating a growing structural demand gap. The role of finance was to fill that gap. Thus, within the U.S., deregulation, financial innovation, speculation, and mortgage lending fraud enabled finance to fill the demand gap by lending to consumers and by spurring asset price inflation ..."
"... this AD generation role of finance was an unintended consequence and not part of a grand plan. Neoliberal economists and policymakers did not realize they were creating a demand gap, but their laissez-faire economic ideology triggered financial market developments that coincidentally filled the demand gap. ..."
"... the financial process they unleashed was inevitably unstable and was always destined to hit the wall. There are limits to borrowing and limits to asset price inflation and all Ponzi schemes eventually fall apart. ..."
"... the long duration of financial excess made the collapse far deeper when it eventually happened. It has also made escaping the after-effects of the financial crisis far more difficult as the economy is now burdened by debts and destroyed credit worthiness. That has deepened the proclivity to economic stagnation. ..."
"... The neoliberal labor market flexibility agenda explicitly attacks unions and works to shift income to wealthier households. ..."
"... That model inevitably produces stagnation because it produces a structural demand shortage via (i) its impact on income distribution, and (ii) via its design of globalization which generates massive trade deficits, wage competition and off-shoring of jobs and investment. In terms of the three-way contest between the government failure hypothesis, the market failure hypothesis and the destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis, the economic policy debate during the Great Recession was cast as exclusively between government failure and market failure. ..."
"... This attitude to fiscal policy reflects the dominance within the Democratic Party of "Rubinomics", the Wall Street view associated with former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, that government spending and budget deficits raise real interest rates and thereby lower growth. According to that view, the US needs long-term fiscal austerity to offset Social Security and Medicare Side-by-side with the attempt to reflate the economy, the Obama administration also pushed for major overhaul and tightening of financial sector regulation via the Dodd- Frank Act (2010). ..."
"... The Obama administration's softcore neoliberalism would have likely generated stagnation by itself, but the prospect has been further strengthened by Republicans. ..."
"... The Obama administration was to provide fiscal stimulus to jump start the economy; the Fed would use QE to blow air back into the asset price bubble; the Dodd-Frank Act (2010) would stabilize financial markets; and globalization would be deepened by further NAFTA-styled international agreements. This is a near-identical model to that which failed so disastrously. Consequently, stagnation is the logical prognosis. ..."
"... Consequently, the economy is destined to repeat the patterns of the 1990s and 2000s. However, the US economy has also experienced almost twenty more years of neoliberalism which has left its economic body in worse health than the 1990s. That means the likelihood of delivering another bubble-based boom is low and stagnation tendencies will likely reassert themselves after a shorter and weaker period of expansion ..."
This paper examines the major competing interpretations of the economic crisis in the US and
explains the rebound of neoliberal orthodoxy. It shows how US policymakers acted to stabilize
and save the economy, but failed to change the underlying neoliberal economic policy model.
That failure explains the emergence of stagnation, which is likely to endure
Current economic
conditions in the US smack of the mid-1990s. The 1990s expansion proved unsustainable and so
will the current modest expansion. However, this time it is unlikely to be followed by
financial crisis because of the balance sheet cleaning that took place during the last
crisis
Revised 1: This paper has been prepared for inclusion in Gallas, Herr, Hoffer and Scherrer
(eds.), Combatting Inequality: The Global North and South , Rouledge, forthcoming in
2015.
The crisis and the resilience of neoliberal economic orthodoxy
The financial crisis that erupted in 2008 challenged the foundations of orthodox economic
theory and policy. At its outset, orthodox economists were stunned into silence as evidenced by
their inability to answer the Queen of England's simple question (November 5th, 2008) to the
faculty of the London School of Economics as to why no one foresaw the crisis.
Six years later,
orthodoxy has fought back and largely succeeded in blocking change of thought and policy. The
result has been economic stagnation
This paper examines the major competing interpretations of
the economic crisis in the US and explains the rebound of neoliberal orthodoxy. It shows how US
policymakers acted to stabilize and save the economy, but failed to change the underlying
neoliberal economic policy model.
That failure explains the emergence of stagnation in the US
economy and stagnation is likely to endure.
Current economic conditions in the US smack of the
mid-1990s. The 1990s expansion proved unsustainable and so will the current modest expansion.
However, this time it is unlikely to be followed by financial crisis because of the balance
sheet cleaning that took place during the last crisis.
Competing explanations of the
crisis
The Great Recession, which began in December 2007 and includes the financial crisis of 2008,
is the deepest economic downturn in the US since the World War II. The depth of the downturn is
captured in Table 1 which shows the decline in GDP and the peak unemployment rate. The
recession has the longest duration and the decline in GDP is the largest. The peak unemployment
rate was slightly below the peak rate of the recession of 1981-82. However, this ignores the
fact that the labor force participation rate fell in the Great Recession (i.e. people left the
labor force and were not counted as unemployed) whereas it increased in the recession of
1981-82 (i.e. people entered the labor force and were counted as unemployed).
Table 1. Alternative measures of the depth of US recessions.
... ... ...
Table 2 provides data on the percent change in private sector employment from business cycle
peak to trough. The 7.6 percent loss of private sector jobs in the Great Recession dwarfs other
recessions, providing another measure of its depth and confirming it extreme nature. 2 Over the
course of the 1981-82 labor force participation rose from 63.8 percent to 64.2 percent, thereby
likely increasing the unemployment rate. In contrast, over the course of the Great Recession
the labor force participation rate fell from 66.0 percent to 65.7 percent, thereby likely
decreasing the unemployment. The decrease in the labor force participation rate was even
sharper for prime age (25 – 54 years old) workers, indicating that the decrease in the
overall participation rate was not due to demographic factors such as an aging population.
Instead, it was due to lack of job opportunities, which supports the claim that labor force
exit lowered the unemployment rate. Table 2. U.S. private employment cycles, peak to trough.
Source: Bureau of labor statistics and author's calculations.
... ... ...
Broadly speaking there exist three competing perspectives on the crisis (Palley, 2012).
Perspective # 1 is the hardcore neoliberal position which can be labeled the
"government failure hypothesis" . In the U.S. it is identified with the Republican
Party and with the economics departments of Stanford University, the University of Chicago,
and the University of Minnesota.
The hardcore neoliberal government failure argument is that
the crisis is rooted in the U.S. housing bubble and its bust. The claim is that the bubble
was due to excessively prolonged loose monetary policy and politically motivated government
intervention in the housing market aimed at increasing ownership. With regard to monetary
policy, the Federal Reserve pushed interest rates too low for too long following the
recession of 2001.
With regard to the housing market, government intervention via the
Community Reinvestment Act and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, drove up house prices and
encouraged homeownership beyond peoples' means.
Perspective # 2 is the softcore neoliberal position, which can be labeled the "market
failure hypothesis" . It is identified with the Obama administration, the Walls Street
and Silicon Valley wing of the Democratic Party, and economics departments such as those at
MIT, Yale and Princeton. In Europe it is identified with "Third Way" politics.
The softcore
neoliberal market failure argument is that the crisis is due to inadequate financial sector
regulation. First, regulators allowed excessive risk-taking by banks. Second, regulators
allowed perverse incentive pay structures within banks that encouraged management to engage
in "loan pushing" rather than "sound lending." Third, regulators pushed both deregulation and
self-regulation too far. Together, these failures contributed to financial misallocation,
including misallocation of foreign saving provided through the trade deficit, that led to
financial crisis. The crisis in turn deepened an ordinary recession, transforming it into the
Great Recession which could have become the second Great Depression absent the extraordinary
policy interventions of 2008-09
Perspective # 3 is the progressive position which is rooted in Keynesian economics and
can be labeled the "destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis".
It is identified
with the New Deal wing of the Democratic Party and the labor movement, but it has no
standing within major economics departments owing to their suppression of alternatives to
economic orthodoxy. The Keynesian "destruction of shared prosperity" argument is that
the crisis is rooted in the neoliberal economic paradigm that has guided economic policy for
the past thirty years. An important feature of the argument is that, though the U.S. is the
epicenter of the crisis, all countries are implicated as they all participated in the
adoption of a systemically flawed policy paradigm. That paradigm infected finance via
inadequate regulation, enabling financial excess that led to the financial crisis of 2008.
However, financial excess is just an element of the crisis and the full explanation is far
deeper than just financial market regulatory failure According to the Keynesian destruction
of shared prosperity hypothesis, the deep cause is generalized economic policy failure rooted
in the flawed neoliberal economic paradigm that was adopted in the late 1970s and early
1980s.
For the period 1945 - 1975 the U.S. economy was characterized by a "virtuous circle"
Keynesian growth model built on full employment and wage growth tied to productivity growth.
This model is illustrated in Figure 1 and its logic was as follows. Productivity growth drove
wage growth, which in turn fuelled demand growth and created full employment. That provided an
incentive for investment, which drove further productivity growth and supported higher wages.
This model held in the U.S. and, subject to local modifications, it also held throughout the
global economy - in Western Europe, Canada, Japan, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina.
Figure 1. The 1945 – 75 virtuous circle Keynesian growth model. Wage growth Demand
growth Full employment Productivity growth Investment
After 1980 the virtuous circle Keynesian
growth model was replaced by a neoliberal growth model. The reasons for the change are a
complex mix of economic, political and sociological reasons that are beyond the scope of the
current paper. The key changes wrought by the new model were:
Abandonment of the commitment
to full employment and the adoption of commitment to very low inflation;
Severing of the
link between wages and productivity growth.
Together, these changes created a new economic
dynamic. Before 1980, wages were the engine of U.S. demand growth. After 1980, debt and asset
price inflation became the engine The new economic model was rooted in neoliberal economic
thought. Its principal effects were to weaken the position of workers; strengthen the position
of corporations; and unleash financial markets to serve the interests of financial and business
elites.
As illustrated in figure 2, the new model can be described as a neoliberal policy box
that fences workers in and pressures them from all sides. On the left hand side, the corporate
model of globalization put workers in international competition via global production networks
that are supported by free trade agreements and capital mobility.
On the right hand side, the
"small" government agenda attacked the legitimacy of government and pushed persistently for
deregulation regardless of dangers. From below, the labor market flexibility agenda attacked
unions and labor market supports such as the minimum wage, unemployment benefits, employment
protections, and employee rights. From above, policymakers abandoned the commitment of full
employment, a development that was reflected in the rise of inflation targeting and the move
toward independent central banks influenced by financial interests.
Figure 2. The neoliberal
policy box. Globalization WORKERS Abandonment of full employment Small Government Labor Market
Flexibility
Corporate globalization is an especially key feature. Not only did it exert
downward inward pressures on economies via import competition and the threat of job
off-shoring, it also provided the architecture binding economies together. Thus, globalization
reconfigured global production by transferring manufacturing from the U.S. and Europe to
emerging market economies. This new global division of labor was then supported by having U.S.
consumers serve as the global economy's buyer of first and last resort, which explains the U.S.
trade deficit and the global imbalances problem.
This new global division of labor inevitably
created large trade deficits that also contributed to weakening the aggregate demand
(AD)generation process by causing a hemorrhage of spending on imports (Palley, 2015)
An
important feature of the Keynesian hypothesis is that the neoliberal policy box was implemented
on a global basis, in both the North and the South. As in the U.S., there was also a structural
break in policy regime in both Europe and Latin America. In Latin America , the International
Monetary Fund and World Bank played an important role as they used the economic distress
created by the 1980s debt crisis to push neoliberal policy
They did so by making financial
assistance conditional on adopting such policies. This global diffusion multiplied the impact
of the turn to neoliberal economic policy and it explains why the Washington Consensus enforced
by the International Monetary Fund and World Bank has been so significant. It also explains why
stagnation has taken on a global dimension.
III The role of finance in the neoliberal
model
Owing to the extraordinarily deep and damaging nature of the financial crisis of 2008,
financial market excess has been a dominant focus of explanations of the Great Recession.
Within the neoliberal government failure hypothesis the excess is attributed to ill-advised
government intervention and Federal Reserve interest rate policy. Within the neoliberal market
failure hypothesis it is attributed to ill-advised deregulation and failure to modernize
regulation.
According to the Keynesian destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis neither of
those interpretations grasps the true significance of finance. The government failure
hypothesis is empirically unsupportable (Palley, 2012a, chapter 6), while the market failure
hypothesis has some truth but also misses the true role of finance That role is illustrated in
Figure 3 which shows that finance performed two roles in the neoliberal model. The first was to
structurally support the neoliberal policy box. The second was to support the AD generation
process. These dual roles are central to the process of increasing financial domination of the
economy which has been termed financialization (Epstein, 2004, p.3; Krippner, 2004, 2005;
Palley, 2013). Figure 3. The role of finance in the neoliberal model. The role of finance:
"financialization" Supporting the neoliberal policy box Aggregate demand generation Corporate
behavior Economic policy Financial innovation The policy box shown in Figure 2 has four sides.
A true box has six sides and a four sided structure would be prone to structural weakness.
Metaphorically speaking, one role of finance is to provide support on two sides of the
neoliberal policy box, as illustrated in Figure 4.
Finance does this through three channels.
First, financial markets have captured control of corporations via enforcement of the
shareholder value maximization paradigm of corporate governance. Consequently, corporations now
serve financial market interests along with the interests of top management. Second, financial
markets in combination with corporations lobby politically for the neoliberal policy mix.
The
combination of changed corporate behavior and economic policy produces an economic matrix that
puts wages under continuous pressure and raises income inequality.
Third, financial innovation
has facilitated and promoted financial market control of corporations via hostile take-overs,
leveraged buyouts and reverse capital distributions. Financial innovation has therefore been
key for enforcing Wall Street's construction of the shareholder value maximization paradigm.
Figure 4. Lifting the lid on the neoliberal policy box. The neoliberal box Corporations
Financial markets
The second vital role of finance is the support of AD. The neoliberal model
gradually undermined the income and demand generation process, creating a growing structural
demand gap. The role of finance was to fill that gap. Thus, within the U.S., deregulation,
financial innovation, speculation, and mortgage lending fraud enabled finance to fill the
demand gap by lending to consumers and by spurring asset price inflation
Financialization
assisted with this process by changing credit market practices and introducing new credit
instruments that made credit more easily and widely available to corporations and households.
U.S. consumers in turn filled the global demand gap, along with help from U.S. and European
corporations who were shifting manufacturing facilities and investment to the emerging market
economies.
Three things should be emphasized.
First, this AD generation role of finance was an
unintended consequence and not part of a grand plan. Neoliberal economists and policymakers did
not realize they were creating a demand gap, but their laissez-faire economic ideology
triggered financial market developments that coincidentally filled the demand gap.
Second, the
financial process they unleashed was inevitably unstable and was always destined to hit the
wall. There are limits to borrowing and limits to asset price inflation and all Ponzi schemes
eventually fall apart. The problem is it is impossible to predict when they will fail. All that
can be known with confidence is that it will eventually fail.
Third, the process went on far
longer than anyone expected, which explains why critics of neoliberalism sounded like Cassandras (Palley, 1998, Chapter 12). However,
the long duration of financial excess made the
collapse far deeper when it eventually happened. It has also made escaping the after-effects of
the financial crisis far more difficult as the economy is now burdened by debts and destroyed
credit worthiness. That has deepened the proclivity to economic stagnation.
IV
Evidence
Evidence regarding the economic effects of the neoliberal model is plentiful and clear
Figure 5 shows productivity and average hourly compensation of non-supervisory workers (that is
non-managerial employees who are about 80 percent of the workforce). The link with productivity
growth was severed almost 40 years ago and hourly compensation has been essentially stagnant
since then.
Figure 5.
... ... ...
Table
3 shows data on the distribution of income growth by business cycle expansion across the
wealthiest top 10 percent and bottom 90 percent of households. Over the past sixty years there
has been a persistent decline in the share of income gains going to the bottom 90 percent of
households ranked by wealth. However, in the period 1948 – 1979 the decline was gradual.
After 1980 there is a massive structural break and the share of income gains going to the
bottom 90 percent collapses. Before 1980, on average the bottom 90 percent received 66 percent
of business cycle expansion income gains. After 1980, on average they receive just 8 percent.
Table 3. Distribution of income growth by business cycle expansion across the wealthiest top 10
percent and bottom 90 percent of households. Source: Tcherneva (2014), published in The New
York Times , September 26, 2014. '49- '53 '54- '57 '59- '60 '61- '69 '70- '73 '75- '79
'82- '90 '91- '00 '01- '07 '09- '12 Average Pre-1908 Average Post-1980 Top 10% 20% 28 32 33
43 45 80 73 98 116 34% 92% Bottom 90% 80% 72 68 67 57 55 20 27 2 -16 66% 8%
Figure 6
shows the share of total pre-tax income of the top one percent of households ranked by wealth.
From the mid-1930s, with the implementation of the New Deal social contract, that share fell
from a high of 23.94 percent in 1928 to a low of 8.95 percent in 1978. Thereafter it has
steadily risen, reaching 23.5 percent in 2007 which marked the beginning of the Great
Recession. It then fell during the Great Recession owing to a recession-induced fall in
profits, but has since recovered most of that decline as income distribution has worsened again
during the economic recovery. In effect, during the neoliberal era the US economy has retraced
its steps, reversing the improvements achieved by the New Deal and post-World War II
prosperity, so that the top one percent's share of pre-tax income has returned to pre-Great
Depression levels.
Figure 6. US pre-tax income share of top 1 percent. Source:
http://inequality.org/income-inequality/. Original source: Thomas Piketty and Emanuel Saez
(2003), updated at http://emlab.edu/users/saez.
As argued in Palley (2012a, p. 150-151) there
is close relationship between union membership density (i.e. percent of employed workers that
are unionized) and income distribution. This is clearly shown in Figure 7 which shows union
density and the share of pre-tax income going to the top ten percent of wealthiest households.
The neoliberal labor market flexibility agenda explicitly attacks unions and works to shift
income to wealthier households.
Share of income going to the top 10 percent 2013: 47.0% Union
membership density 11.2% 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 1917 1923 1929 1935 1941 1947 1953 1959
1965 1971 1977 1983 1989 1995 2001 2007 2013 Source: Data on union density follows the
composite series found in Historical Statistics of the United States; updated to 2013 from
unionstats.com. Income inequality (share of income to top 10%) from Piketty and Saez,
"Income
Inequality in the United States, 1913-1998, Quarterly Journal of Economics , 118(1),
2003, 1-39. Updated Figure 7. Union membership and the share of income going to the top ten
percent of wealthiest households, 1917 – 2013. Source: Mishel, Gould and Bivens (2015).
Table 4 provides data on the evolution of the U.S. goods and services trade balance as a share
of GDP by business cycle peak. Comparison across peaks controls for the effect of the business
cycle. The data show through to the late 1970s U.S. trade was roughly in balance, but after
1980 it swung to massive deficit and the deficits increased each business cycle. These deficits
were the inevitable product of the neoliberal model of globalization (Palley, 2015) and they
undermined the AD generation process in accordance with the Keynesian hypothesis.
Table 4. The
U.S. goods & services trade deficit/surplus by business cycle peaks, 1960 – 2007.
Sources: Economic Report of the President, 2009 and author's calculations. Business cycle
peak year Trade balance ($ millions) GDP ($ billions) Trade balance/ GDP (%) 1960 3,508
526.4 0.7 1969 91 984.6 0.0 1973 1,900 1,382.7 0.1 1980 -25,500 2,789.5
-0.9 1981 -28,023 3,128.4 -0.9 1990 -111,037 5,803.1 -1.9 2001 -429,519
10,128.0 -4.2 2007 -819,373 13,807.5 -5.9
Finally, Figure 8 shows total domestic debt
relative to GDP and growth. This Figure is highly supportive of the Keynesian interpretation of
the role of finance. During the neoliberal era real GDP growth has actually slowed but debt
growth has exploded. The reason is the neoliberal model did nothing to increase growth, but it
needed faster debt growth to fill the demand gap created by the model's worsening of income
distribution and creation of large trade deficits. Debt growth supported debt-financed consumer
spending and it supported asset price inflation that enabled borrowing which filled the demand
gap caused by the neoliberal model. Figure 8. Total domestic debt and growth (1952-2007).
Source: Grantham, 2010.
V The debate about the causes of the crisis: why it matters
The importance of the debate about the causes of the crisis is that each perspective
recommends its own different policy response. For hardcore neoliberal government failure
proponents the recommended policy response is to double-down on the policies described by the
neoliberal policy box and further deregulate markets; to deepen central bank independence and
the commitment to low inflation via strict rules based monetary policy; and to further shrink
government and impose fiscal austerity to deal with increased government debt produced by the
crisis For softcore neoliberal market failure proponents the recommended policy response is to
tighten financial regulation but continue with all other aspects of the existing neoliberal
policy paradigm. That means continued support for corporate globalization, socalled labor
market flexibility, low inflation targeting, and fiscal austerity in the long term.
Additionally, there is need for temporary large-scale fiscal and monetary stimulus to combat
the deep recession caused by the financial crisis.
However, once the economy has recovered,
policy should continue with the neoliberal model For proponents of the destruction of shared
prosperity hypothesis the policy response is fundamentally different. The fundamental need is
to overthrow the neoliberal paradigm and replace it with a "structural Keynesian" paradigm.
That involves repacking the policy box as illustrated in Figure 9.
The critical step is to take
workers out of the box and put corporations and financial markets in so that they are made to
serve a broader public interest. The key elements are to replace corporate globalization with
managed globalization that blocks race to the bottom trade dynamics and stabilizes global
financial markets; restore a commitment to full employment; replace the neoliberal
anti-government agenda with a social democratic government agenda; and replace the neoliberal
labor market flexibility with a solidarity based labor market agenda.
The goals are restoration
of full employment and restoration of a solid link between wage and productivity growth.
Figure
9. The structural Keynesian box Corporations & Managed Financial Markets Globalization Full
Employment Social Democratic Government Solidarity Labor Markets
Lastly, since the neoliberal
model was adopted as part of a new global economic order, there is also need to recalibrate the
global economy. This is where the issue of "global rebalancing" enters and emerging market
economies need to shift away from export-led growth strategies to domestic demand-led
strategies. That poses huge challenges for many emerging market economies because they have
configured their growth strategies around export-led growth whereby they sell to U.S.
consumers.
VI From crisis to stagnation: the failure to change
Massive policy interventions, unequalled in the post-war era, stopped the Great Recession
from spiraling into a second Great Depression. The domestic economic interventions included the
2008 Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) that bailed out the financial sector via government
purchases of assets and equity from financial institutions; the 2009 American Recovery and
Reinvestment Act (ARRA) that provided approximately $800 billion of fiscal stimulus, consisting
of approximately $550 billion of government spending and $250 billion of tax cuts; the Federal
Reserve lowering its interest target to near-zero (0 - 0.25 percent); and the Federal Reserve
engaging in quantitative easing (QE) transactions that involve it purchasing government and
private sector securities. At the international level, in 2008 the Federal Reserve established
a temporary $620 billion foreign exchange (FX) swap facility with foreign central banks.
That
facility provided the global economy with dollar balances, thereby preventing a dollar
liquidity shortage from triggering a wave of global default on short-term dollar loans that the
financial system was unwilling to roll-over because of panic.3
Additionally, there was
unprecedented globally coordinated fiscal stimulus arranged via the G-20 mechanism. 3
The FX
swaps with foreign central banks have been criticized as being a bail-out for foreign
economies. In fact, they saved the US financial system which would have been pulled down by
financial collapse outside
Despite their scale, these interventions did not stop the recession
from being the deepest since 1945, and nor did they stop the onset of stagnation. Table 5 shows
how GDP growth has failed to recover since the end of the Great Recession, averaging just 2.1
percent for the five year period from 2010 – 2014. Furthermore, that period includes the
rebound year of 2010 when the economy rebounded from its massive slump owing to the
extraordinary fiscal and monetary stimulus measures that were put in place
Table 5. U.S. GDP
growth. Source: Statistical Annex of the European Union, Autumn 2014 and author's calculations.
The growth rate for 2014 is that estimated in October 2014.
Table 6 shows employment creation in the five years after the end of recessions, which provides
another window on stagnation. The job creation numbers show that the neoliberal model was
already slowing in the 1990s with the first episode of "jobless the US.
Many foreign banks
operating in the US had acquired US assets financed with short-term dollar borrowings. When the
US money market froze in 2008 they could not roll-over these loans in accordance with normal
practice. That threatened massive default by these banks within the US financial system, which
would have pulled down the entire global financial system.
The Federal Reserve could not lend
directly to these foreign banks and their governing central banks lacked adequate dollar
liquidity to fill the financing gap. The solution was to lend dollars to foreign central banks,
which then made dollar loans to foreign banks in need of dollar roll-over short-term financing.
recovery".
It actually ground to stagnation in the 2001 – 2007 period, but this was
masked by the house price bubble and the false prosperity it created. Stagnation has persisted
after the Great Recession, but the economic distress caused by the recession has finally
triggered awareness of stagnation among elites economists. In a sense, the Great Recession
called out the obvious, just as did the little boy in the Hans Anderson story about the
emperor's new suit
Table 6. U.S. private sector employment creation in the five year period
after the end of recessions for six business cycles with extended expansions. Source: Bureau of
labor statistics and author's calculations. * = January 1980 the beginning of the next
recession Recession end date Employment at recession end date (millions) Employment five years
later (millions) Percent growth in employment Feb 1961 45.0 52.2 16.0% Mar 1975 61.9 74.6*
20.5% Nov 1982 72.8 86.1 18.3% March 1991 90.1 99.5 10.4% Nov 2001 109.8 115.0 4.7% June 2009
108.4 117.1 8.0% The persistence of stagnation after the Great Recession raises the question
"why"? The answer is policy has done nothing to change the structure of the underlying
neoliberal economic model.
That model inevitably produces stagnation because it produces a
structural demand shortage via (i) its impact on income distribution, and (ii) via its design
of globalization which generates massive trade deficits, wage competition and off-shoring of
jobs and investment. In terms of the three-way contest between the government failure
hypothesis, the market failure hypothesis and the destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis,
the economic policy debate during the Great Recession was cast as exclusively between
government failure and market failure.
With the Democrats controlling the Congress and
Presidency after the 2008 election, the market failure hypothesis won out and has framed policy
since then. According to the hypothesis, the financial crisis caused an exceptionally deep
recession that required exceptionally large monetary and fiscal stimulus to counter it and
restore normalcy. Additionally, the market failure hypothesis recommends restoring and
renovating financial regulation, but other than that the neoliberal paradigm is appropriate and
should be deepened In accordance with this thinking, the in-coming Obama administration
affirmed existing efforts to save the system and prevent a downward spiral by supporting the
Bush administration's TARP, the Federal Reserve's first round of QE (November/December 2008)
that provided market liquidity, and the Federal Reserve's FX swap agreement with foreign
central banks
Thereafter, the Obama administration worked to reflate the economy via passage of
the ARRA (2009) which provided significant fiscal stimulus. With the failure to deliver a
V-shaped recovery, candidate Obama became even more vocal about fiscal stimulus However,
reflecting its softcore neoliberal inclinations, the Obama administration then became much less
so when it took office. Thus, the winners of the internal debate about fiscal policy in the
first days of the Obama administration were those wanting more modest fiscal stimulus.4
Furthermore, its analytical frame was one of temporary stimulus with the 4 Since 2009 there has
been some evolution of policy positions characterized by a shift to stronger support for fiscal
stimulus. This has been especially marked in Larry Summers, who was the Obama administration's
goal of long-term fiscal consolidation, which is softcore neoliberal speak for fiscal austerity
Seen in the above light, after the passage of ARRA (2009), the fiscal policy divide between the
Obama administration and hardcore neoliberal Republicans was about the speed and conditions
under which fiscal austerity should be restored.
This attitude to fiscal policy reflects the
dominance within the Democratic Party of "Rubinomics", the Wall Street view associated with
former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, that government spending and budget deficits raise real
interest rates and thereby lower growth. According to that view, the US needs long-term fiscal
austerity to offset Social Security and Medicare Side-by-side with the attempt to reflate the
economy, the Obama administration also pushed for major overhaul and tightening of financial
sector regulation via the Dodd- Frank Act (2010).
That accorded with the market failure
hypothesis's claim about the economic crisis and Great Recession being caused by financial
excess permitted by the combination of excessive deregulation, lax regulation and failure to
modernize regulation Finally, and again in accordance with the logic of the market failure
hypothesis, the Obama administration has pushed ahead with doubling-down and further
entrenching the neoliberal policy box. This is most visible in its approach to globalization.
In 2010, free trade agreements modelled after NAFTA were signed with South Korea, Colombia and
Panama. The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment
Partnership (TTIP), two mega-agreements negotiated in secrecy and apparently bearing chief
economic adviser when it took office. This shift has become a way of rewriting history by
erasing the memory of initial positions. That is also true of the IMF which in 2010-2011 was a
robust supporter of fiscal consolidation in Europe. similar hallmarks to prior trade
agreements, are also being pushed by the Obama administration
The Obama administration's softcore neoliberalism would have likely generated stagnation by itself, but the prospect has
been further strengthened by Republicans.
Thus, in accordance with their point of view,
Republicans have persistently pushed the government failure hypothesis by directing the policy
conversation to excessive regulation and easy monetary policy as the causes of the crisis.
Consequently, they have consistently opposed strengthened financial regulation and demands for
fiscal stimulus.
At the same time, they have joined with softcore neoliberal Democrats
regarding doubling-down on neoliberal box policies, particularly as regards trade and
globalization Paradoxically, the failure to change the overall economic model becomes most
visible by analyzing the policies of the Federal Reserve, which have changed the most
dramatically via the introduction of QE. The initial round of QE (QE1) was followed by QE2 in
November 2010 and QE3 in September 2012, with the Fed shifting from providing short-term
emergency liquidity to buying private sector financial assets.
The goal was to bid up prices of
longer term bonds and other securities, thereby lowering interest rates on longer-term
financing and encouraging investors to buy equities and other riskier financial assets. The
Fed's reasoning was lower long-term rates would stimulate the economy, and higher financial
asset prices would trigger a positive wealth effect on consumption spending. This makes clear
the architecture of policy.
The Obama administration was to provide fiscal stimulus to jump
start the economy; the Fed would use QE to blow air back into the asset price bubble; the
Dodd-Frank Act (2010) would stabilize financial markets; and globalization would be deepened by
further NAFTA-styled international agreements. This is a near-identical model to that which
failed so disastrously. Consequently, stagnation is the logical prognosis.
VII
Déjà vu all over again: back to the 1990s but with a weaker economy
The exclusion of the destruction of shared prosperity hypothesis, combined with the joint
triumph of the market failure and government failure hypotheses, means the underlying economic
model that produced the Great Recession remains essentially unchanged. That failure to change
explains stagnation. It also explains why current conditions smack of "déjà vu
all over again" with the US economy in 2014-15 appearing to have returned to conditions
reminiscent of the mid-1990s.
Just as the 1990s failed to deliver durable prosperity, so too
current optimistic conditions will prove unsustainable absent deeper change The
déjà vu similarities are evident
in the large US trade deficit that has started
to again deteriorate rapidly;
a return of the over-valued dollar problem that promises to
further increase the trade deficit and divert jobs and investment away from the US economy;
a
return to reliance on asset price inflation and house price increases to grow consumer demand
and construction;
a return of declining budget deficits owing to continued policy disposition
toward fiscal austerity; a return of the contradiction that has the Federal Reserve tighten
monetary policy when economic strength triggers rising prices and wages that bump against the
ceiling of the Fed's self-imposed 2 percent inflation target; and renewal of the push for
neoliberal trade agreements
All of these features mean both policy context and policy design
look a lot like the mid-1990s. The Obama administration saved the system but did not change it
Consequently, the economy is destined to repeat the patterns of the 1990s and 2000s. However,
the US economy has also experienced almost twenty more years of neoliberalism which has left
its economic body in worse health than the 1990s. That means the likelihood of delivering
another bubble-based boom is low and stagnation tendencies will likely reassert themselves
after a shorter and weaker period of expansion
This structurally weakened state of the US
economy is evident in the further worsening of income inequality that has occurred during the
Great Recession and subsequent slow recovery.
... ... ...
Thomas I. Palley, Senior Economic Policy Advisor, AFL-CIO Washington, D.C. [email protected]
An ambitious gas pipeline project connecting Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria
received a shot in the arm on Thursday (28 September), when all of the involved parties
signed a memorandum of understanding for the project, a vital part of Europe's efforts to
wean itself off Russian gas
"We are at a very advanced stage with the BRUA project. We issued the building permit, we
are conducting procedures for assigning the construction works, and contracts have already
been signed for the design part and for the part concerning equipment for stations," Romanian
Energy Minister Toma Petcu revealed.
"In December, the contracts for the execution part are going to be signed and pipe
procurement is going to be finalised," Petcu added
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BRUA will be able to transport gas from the Black Sea and, when supply comes online at the
end of the decade, from the Caspian too.
It is intended to cut Eastern and Central Europe's dependence on Russian gas, an
important part of the European Commission's third energy package and the CESEC group's
objectives.
Black Sea gas? Where again? Crimea does apparently have significant off-shore deposits of
undeveloped gas. It is difficult to find an article via Google on the subject that does not
have an anti-Russian slant (you know, something like just facts) but here is something on the
topic:
Thinking more about the BRUA pipe line, It could be a make work project for the region with
PC overtones (e.g. Crimea's little escapade will soon end bringing Black Sea gas back to
Europe). The usual graft and corruption will also keep Brussels bureaucrats and local
counterparts fat and happy.
It fits in to the Energy Union progapanda that Brussels is spreading. There at least it makes
some sense that where ever you are in the EU, member states will have access to energy
resources from wherever else in the EU. Of course, the real question is of price and is
something completely different. Does anyone else think it is insane to ship LNG to Krk off
Croatia to be pipelined to the rest of the Balkans? Is this a bribe to Qatar or something? Or
American LNG to say Antwerp or through the Med?
Still, the EU pipeline projects are small change compared to the amount spend on the
Common Agricultural Policy and other stuff. I guess its just another 'Do Something' schtick
to make Brussels seem relevant to EU citizens like me. Speaking of which, I enjoyed data and
telecoms free roaming this summer when I went to the g/f's folk's place this summer. It was..
surreal. And normal. The fact that national EU telecomms operators have been shafting their
own customers so hard and for so long and it took f($*ing Brussels to force it through
shows which side their own states are on. A sorry state indeed!
It must be said again – Russia does not intend to sit idle in the LNG business either.
And if the planned Kaliningrad terminal comes online by the end of this year as planned , it will not
only position Russia attractively in the LNG market (does it cost more to bring European gas
cargoes from Kaliningrad, or across the Atlantic?), it will bring increased energy
independence to Kaliningrad itself. A cruise terminal is planned as well.
These clowns are a combination of corrupt and delusional. The only non-Russian gas coming via
the Black Sea would be hypothetical sources via Turkey from Qatar/Iran and the Caspian basin.
There is no source of natural gas in the Black Sea that, for example, Bulgaria could develop
to feed this pipe.
Europe is forever bragging about weaning itself off of Russian gas, when what it is mostly
doing is taking Russian gas and moving it around through connectors, and then reselling it to
each other. A prime example – although not European – is Ukraine, which claims to
have taken no Russian gas throughout 2015 and 2016 during which time it sourced most of its
gas from Slovakia, supplied at 90% and above levels by Russia.
Ukraine claims to be getting gas from Yurrup at cheaper prices than Gazprom offered for
direct supplies. If that's true, Slovakia is selling gas to Ukraine for less than it paid for
it. And there's a word for people like that.
"... This year's rise is likely to be closer to about 500,000 barrels, far off an initial forecast by the U.S. Energy Information Administration, according to Hamm, the chairman of Continental Resources Inc. and a pioneer in the shale industry. ..."
"... The EIA projection is "just flat wrong," failing to take into account a new discipline among U.S. drillers, Hamm said in an interview Thursday on Bloomberg TV. "We have capability of producing a whole lot, but you have to get a return on investment," he said, adding, "that's where people have been this last quarter and this year." ..."
"... . "When we're lagging the Brent world price by $6 a barrel, that's not putting America first, that's putting America last. And that's the result of this exaggerated amount that EIA has out there." ..."
"... Once it's clear the EIA is off base, prices could rise to $60 a barrel from around $50 now, Hamm said. ..."
"... Too bad Oilpro shut down. Lots of non-US E & P Industry folks posted there. They absolutely could not stand US shale and the US shale CEO smack talk. Hundreds of thousands out of work, because of shale smack talk and Wall Street encouragement of same, which crashed oil prices below $30. ..."
"... Shale better come through. No one seems to be taking serious the possibility of a supply shock if it cannot. ..."
"... When shale clearly peaks, what is to keep OPEC and Russia from suddenly making a big cut, driving prices past $200 and crashing Western economies? Why wouldn't they afterthe hubris of US shale CEO's, the Wall Street guys who pull their strings, and the US business media who report everything they say as gospel? ..."
Shale oil entrepreneur Harold Hamm is back doing interviews on the business networks again. Now
he is speaking out against how the oil prices are low due to the EIA.
Shale Billionaire Hamm Slams 'Exaggerated' U.S. Oil Projections
Billionaire oilman Harold Hamm says the government was way too optimistic with its prediction
of more than 1 million new barrels a day in U.S. production, and the snafu is "distorting" global
crude prices.
This year's rise is likely to be closer to about 500,000 barrels, far off an initial forecast
by the U.S. Energy Information Administration, according to Hamm, the chairman of Continental
Resources Inc. and a pioneer in the shale industry.
The EIA projection is "just flat wrong," failing to take into account a new discipline
among U.S. drillers, Hamm said in an interview Thursday on Bloomberg TV. "We have capability of
producing a whole lot, but you have to get a return on investment," he said, adding, "that's where
people have been this last quarter and this year."
The government scenario has contributed to worries about an oversupply that puts U.S. oil at
a steep discount to international crude, according to Hamm. "It's distorting," he said . "When
we're lagging the Brent world price by $6 a barrel, that's not putting America first, that's putting
America last. And that's the result of this exaggerated amount that EIA has out there."
Once it's clear the EIA is off base, prices could rise to $60 a barrel from around $50
now, Hamm said.
The EIA is making these projections because knuckleheads in the C suite at US shale companies
went hog wild at the first sign of oil price improvement and made these growth projections for
their individual companies, and the EIA just totaled them up.
Every Shale CEO bashes OPEC. OPEC tried to give shale a break by cutting production, and shale
absolutely blew it, just like shale absolutely blew it in late 2014 by not pretty much shutting
down. Instead, shale has lied about profitability for 3 years, and the world E & P industry has
paid the price.
Too bad Oilpro shut down. Lots of non-US E & P Industry folks posted there. They absolutely
could not stand US shale and the US shale CEO smack talk. Hundreds of thousands out of work, because
of shale smack talk and Wall Street encouragement of same, which crashed oil prices below $30.
Shale better come through. No one seems to be taking serious the possibility of a supply
shock if it cannot.
When shale clearly peaks, what is to keep OPEC and Russia from suddenly making a big cut,
driving prices past $200 and crashing Western economies? Why wouldn't they afterthe hubris of
US shale CEO's, the Wall Street guys who pull their strings, and the US business media who report
everything they say as gospel?
I'd guess a lot of the non-US E&P people complaining about LTO would by from offshore, and I think
that side has been just as much to blame for boom and bust mentality with rose tinted specs. (see
below the UK investment which went nuts when oil went above $100 and now they have nothing much
left).
I'd question with the jobs are going to come back offshore even with a big price rise.
As I keep pointing out, there have to be discoveries before development, and there have to
be lease sales before that. We're not seeing either, and though exploration is down compared with
2011 to 2014, there's still a significant amount going on, but wildcat, frontier success rates
are what have fallen the most (even with the best seismic methods and computer models we have
ever had).
Shallow, I too miss the hell out of Oilpro. That community could debate the unconventional
shale phenomena without bias and with a clear understanding of how it has completely changed
the world oil order.
American's, on the other hand, simply enjoy cheap gasoline; they don't care how they get
it, what it costs, who ultimately pays for it or that it will not last forever. The American
public, and the politicians that govern it, have been lied to and completely deceived about
shale oil and shale gas abundance. It is a matter of American nationalistic pride to believe
what one reads on the internet and to otherwise be stupid about our hydrocarbon future.
I suggested to you several years ago that OPEC and the rest of the world's producing oil
countries were not dumb; they read shale oil K's and Q's and have the same access to SEC
filings we do. They know the shale oil phenomena is failing financially and that in the
process America is drilling the snot out of its last remaining, bottom of the barrel oil
resources. OPEC's production cuts in late 2016, in my opinion, were an effort to give the US
shale oil industry just enough rope to eventually hang itself. It has done just that; in the
past 24 months it has bankrupted out on another $50B, borrowed yet another $50B and is now
back over $300B of upstream long term debt with no current ability to pay that back. Hope
(for higher oil prices) is not a plan. The Bakken and the Eagle Ford have peaked and now well
productivity in the Permian is starting to fade. In a few more years the rest of the world
will have the US right back it its teet and will dictate what the price of oil well be. I
think in the next 12-18 months we are going to see big reserve impairments in the US, again,
and a pretty big shale oil company will end up the toilet, bankrupt. They'll be a bunch of
fist pumping going around the world when that happens.
Harold Hamm is whiner; he has always blamed OPEC for lower oil prices, demanded that OPEC
cut more production, he needs more pipelines, fewer regulations (where are those, by the
way?), needs to be able to export his oil, warned OTHER shale oil companies in the Permian
not to overproduce and drive the price of HIS oil down, the sun is always in his eyes now its
the EIA's fault. He, like the rest of America's shale oil industry, is desperate for
attention and desperate for help. Once again, Shallow, you are spot on.
Mike. It might be worth mentioning here the recent judgment a small OK producer won against
Devon Energy.
Apparently one of Devon's high volume fracs destroyed one of the the conventional
producers' wells.
When I read about these frac hits, I really worry that US is not properly managing these
shale oil resources.
From some reading it appears frac hits are a big deal in PB, and that just a few years in,
PB shale could wind up unperformimg due to reservoir damage from these massive fracs.
So if we assume that since 2014 at least 8 million barrels per day were lost due to aging
fields. Who provided additional supply to keep it steady. Something is fishy here.
Notable quotes:
"... If you're not bringing new production online and the global decline rate is call it 5% then each year from now until 2020 we should see a loss of about four and a half million barrels per day off of supply ..."
"... And in 3 years that's 13 million barrels per day supply reduction and there is no way countries can feed themselves with that quick level of scarcity. ..."
"... Venezuela dropping to 0 while the Lybian civil war flames up again – and there isn't 3 MB/D spare capacity left. Nobody besides SA perhaps does frenetic infill drilling for capacity he don't need and use. Or develops fields and put them on idle. ..."
"... Venezuela is the best example of low oil prices making high one – the production will halt sooner or later. ..."
Way too glib a presumption of supply shortage in the 2020 time frame.
If you're not bringing new production online and the global decline rate is call it 5%
then each year from now until 2020 we should see a loss of about four and a half million
barrels per day off of supply
And in 3 years that's 13 million barrels per day supply reduction and there is no way
countries can feed themselves with that quick level of scarcity.
When one says "supply shortage" the consequence of significance is not higher prices; the
consequence is unfilled orders.
RIO DE JANEIRO, Sept 27 (Reuters) – Only one block in Brazil's prized offshore Santos
basin received a bid in the country's 14th oil round on Wednesday, a sign low global oil
prices may have reduced the allure of potential new crude and gas investments in Latin
America's largest economy.
A lot more interest in the other basins though, especially Campos. It can't be just oil price
that is against Santos, maybe it's similar to the mirror province in Angola, Kwamza, and it's
turning out to be a bust.
I think this year has killed off a few of the promising frontier basins now – Kwanza in
Angola – bust, deep water offshore Canada – mostly bust, Barents – mostly
bust, Santos – looks bust, ultra deep US GoM – mostly played out or uncommercial,
offshore Colombia – looks bust for oil, couple of West Africa areas – dry holes,
offshore Ireland – half way to bust, UK North Sea – very poor lease sale, also
one other lease sale (maybe Oman?) I think didn't do very well from memory.
MARKET SHOULD PREPARE MORE FOR OIL SQUEEZE THAN OPEC SUPPLY GAIN, CITIGROUP SAYS
Those in the oil market fearing a flood of OPEC supply next year will probably be better
off preparing for a shortage, according to Citigroup Inc.
Five countries in the group -- Libya, Nigeria, Venezuela, Iran and Iraq -- may already
be pumping at their maximum capacity this year, Ed Morse, the bank's global head of
commodities research, said in an interview. Rather than a surge in output, there's a risk
of a market squeeze emerging as early as 2018, driven by those nations because of weaker
investment in exploration and development, he said.
"Fear in the market has been that OPEC production will rise dramatically," said Morse.
However, "there could be a supply gap emerging, which could point to a tighter market," he
said in Singapore on the sidelines of the S&P Global Platts APPEC Conference.
Geology has to do a lot with oil prices – the run up in price the last 40 years is
mostly due to geology.
Why? The original oil was the kind of very conventional land based oil. Once discovered,
the most costly thing was the infrastructure to transport it away.
This came to a limit in the 70s. After this, more and more expensive projects where
necessary.
Off shore oil, deep sea oil, small spots on land, arctic oil and last fracking oil. And
old fields with injections, infill, pressure control.
All things with big investments – much more than "we build an oil terminal for
supertankers and drill a few holes".
And so the market gets more and more unstable – these big investments have to pay
out, even when done by a state. And you have bigger and bigger planning time lags, so the
classical pork cycle can get investors in the false moment.
US fracking oil adds to the chaos – it's expensive, but fast rampup – but not
able to replace deep sea oil due to it's pure size.
Old cheap fields are in decline, or not longer cheap as the chinese giants on secondary or
tertiary recovery enhancements. So more and more expensive technology with long planing
horizonts comes to a short paced market, together with the political chaos describes by
you.
And geology gets more complicated, so the long project times you describe will get
longer.
I, without a mathematically model, expect a chaotic market in the future until oil gets
(hopeful) phased out and put in the steam engine age.
Low oil prices make high oil prices, and high ones low. The demand is very inelastic on
the short term, trucks have to drive and people have to drive to work (and the aunt wants the
chrismas visit). Only mid way demand gets flexible, a japanese car instead a SUV next or a
house nearer at the job. Or a company reduces work travelling.
Many 3rd world countries have regulated gas prices – so a price spike don't reduce
demand here on the short term. That makes things even more scary when something happens on
the political scale.
Venezuela dropping to 0 while the Lybian civil war flames up again – and there
isn't 3 MB/D spare capacity left. Nobody besides SA perhaps does frenetic infill drilling for
capacity he don't need and use. Or develops fields and put them on idle.
Venezuela is the best example of low oil prices making high one – the production
will halt sooner or later.
I think there are a few things happening. For offshore there is an effect from moving to
deeper fields, these tend to be higher pressure and have higher initial production for a
given bore size but also much higher decline rates. There has been more smaller fields tied
in and these often only use a single production line with no injection support – hence
they start declining immediately with no plateau. Horizontal wells also may play a role
(onshore and offshore) as they can maintain high rates for longer but then drop off
precipitously once the water interface gets to the drainage volume for the well. Cut backs on
infill drilling and planned maintenance are probably big parts of the picture as well –
those could be reversed if prices went high enough (but still might not be worth the expense
on fields at end of life); the other causes not so much.
Mature, offshore oil fields now decline at a rate of -8% per year, whereas the same fields
declined by only -5% in 2014. And as a consequence, one million barrels of oil have been
removed from production balances.
Goodness! They expect US shale production to triple within five years! You read an informed
article that mostly gets your interest, then they start speaking in unknown tongues. Bet the
guy's head did a 360 degree turn while he was saying this.
He's been snorting the same stuff
as the EIA people are.
Even if the oil companies would lay out the HUGE capex necessary for this to happen, they
should be shot by shareholders. Look how badly they got burned the last time. They were
drilling wells with first year's production at 70k, and happy with it, at the time, because
oil was at $100.
At $30 oil, they sucked wind when those wells pumped. There is a definite
limitation on the number of locations that can spew out over 200k barrels the first year.
Even in the highly touted Permian.
Realistically, to continue at a certain level of capex
from year to year, you have to expect that your current wells completed will return your
capex for the next year. Plus, those wells have to produce more than the capex, to allow for
additional drilling. Due to current limitations on borrowing, it's not likely to get too much
better than that.
Where is the capex to come from, and who is the CEO who going to jump out
of the airplane first?
EOG had net profit of about 1% on their gross income. So,
theoretically, they may be able to add 1% more wells if the net income was all cash flow. How
long does that take to triple production?
"... In fact, forty percent of the Permian basin in Texas would be economically unviable without subsidies, and for the home of Bakken crude production, Williston Basin, that number jumps to 59 percent, according to the researchers. ..."
"... But what happens with these subsidies when the price of oil is over $100 per barrel, as it was several years ago? The authors of the study report that, under such a scenario, government subsidies are simply "transfer payments" to oil investors. The oil would be profitable without the subsidies, which become, at that point, simply free cash for investors. ..."
A new study published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Energy found that 50 percent
of new oil production in America would be unprofitable if not for government subsidies. The
study, performed by researchers at the Stockholm Environment Institute and Earth Track, Inc.,
found that, at prices of $50 per barrel, light oil produced by hydraulic fracturing
("fracking") was heavily dependent on subsidies.
In fact, forty percent of the Permian basin in Texas would be economically unviable
without subsidies, and for the home of Bakken crude production, Williston Basin, that number
jumps to 59 percent, according to the researchers.
In addition, the study highlights what this additional fossil fuel production means for
impacts to the climate:
" continued subsidies for oil investment could produce oil (and associated gas) that,
once burned, will yield CO2 emissions equivalent to nearly 1 percent of the remaining global
carbon budget for all sectors of all economies."
At current oil prices, perhaps the most effective "keep it in the ground" strategy
might be to stop subsidizing oil production.
But what happens with these subsidies when the price of oil is over $100 per barrel, as
it was several years ago? The authors of the study report that, under such a scenario,
government subsidies are simply "transfer payments" to oil investors. The oil would be
profitable without the subsidies, which become, at that point, simply free cash for
investors.
While this study provides valuable insight into how subsidies affect oil production and
the climate, it notes that its conclusions are not unique. The authors point out: "As others
have found regardless of the oil price, the majority of taxpayer resources provided to the
industry end up as company profits."
"... Inventory numbers are not a count of oil. They are a mathematical calculation of what had to be used, based upon baseless numbers. One could base an argument, that because production was really lower, more should be deducted from inventory each week. Some have made that claim. I just think all of the numbers are highly suspect. It is materially in error, and all of the numbers should be questioned. ..."
"... It really appears to me that US production is closer to 8,900,000 barrels a day versus 9,200,000 a day. ..."
"... You would imagine that Customs must know how much oil is traded per month. And that refineries must know how much oil they use. But even looking at the monthly data it's difficult to know what is accurate and what isn't. ..."
Looked at what EIA posted for "final" numbers for Texas for July. 3474. Now, July 2016 had
higher numbers for initial production than July 2017. Much higher with condensate, though I
can't find the original condensate number, but they were running over 9 million at the time.
Texas final number for July 2016, at this point, is 3110. EIA has 3161 for July 2016. I
don't need to do a lot of mathematical computations by looking backwards.
Just using EIA numbers for 2016, its over by about 313,000. Undoubtedly more.
Substituting, that puts US production at 8,925,000. Even though we had the shutdowns Aug
and Sep for Harvey, EIA has production on the latest weekly at 9,547,000.
Does seem a might high, and that doesn't count a questionable increase in the GOM on the
EIA July "final" numbers.
If the production is that far off, what else on the weekly report is way off? Total
inputs, imports, exports, inventory draws?
At first, my thought was, why are they doing this? Then the more I thought of it, there is no
nefarious intention. Any organization who uses their calculation to come up with "drilling
productivity", can't have both oars in the water. Or, as a popular movie reiterates: "stupid
is, as stupid does".
The EIA estimates (tight oil estimate) about a 510 kb/d increase in US tight oil
production from July 2016 to July 2017, about 411 kb/d was from the Permian Basin (Texas and
New Mexico). See
I was thinking that the EIA's monthly Supply and Disposition numbers are more accurate that
the weeklies. But even the monthly figures have an adjustment factor and it spiked up to +558
kb/day in July. So far, it seems that only the inventory figures are reliable. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRUA_NUS_2&f=M
Inventory numbers are not a count of oil. They are a mathematical calculation of what had to
be used, based upon baseless numbers. One could base an argument, that because production was
really lower, more should be deducted from inventory each week. Some have made that claim. I
just think all of the numbers are highly suspect. It is materially in error, and all of the
numbers should be questioned.
It really appears to me that US production is closer to
8,900,000 barrels a day versus 9,200,000 a day.
You would imagine that Customs must know how much oil is traded per month. And that
refineries must know how much oil they use. But even looking at the monthly data it's
difficult to know what is accurate and what isn't.
If you calculate monthly production using the equation but without the adjustment you get
the blue line on the chart
Refinery Input = Production + Imports – Exports + Inventory Change + Adjustment
Analysts version on Twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIILKvVoAE_dMS.jpg
The EIA did make some changes but looking at weekly vs monthly it is still the export/import
numbers that show the largest revisions. Although also wondering how accurate the monthly
data is.
MarketWatch – Aug 31, 2016 – Oil market cheers EIA changes to weekly
statistics
On Wednesday, the EIA's Today in Energy report said the agency is now publishing its weekly
petroleum export and consumption estimates based on "near-real-time export data" provided by
U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It was previously using weekly export estimates based on
monthly official export data published by the U.S. Census Bureau about six weeks following
the end of each reporting month.
"Exports should be more accurate, and 'net imports' should be better, but still with
uncertainty," said Michael Lynch, president of president of Strategic Energy & Economic
Research.
U.S. Refinery & Blender Net Input
Monthly vs Weekly, the average difference from Jan-2016 to Jul-2017
Monthly – Weekly = -32 kb/day (average over 19 months since Jan-2016)
If you just look at January, for the last 4 years, the January weeklies underestimate the
demand drop every year
Monthly – Weekly = -189 kb/day (average over last 4 Januarys)
Monthly vs Weekly, the average difference from Feb-2016 to Jul-2017 (without Jan-2017)
Monthly – Weekly = -7 kb/day (average over 17 months since Feb-2016, without
Jan-2017)
Or more correctly "only tax breaks and ability to issue junk bonds make oil profitable in the
USA". Those tax breaks and other subsidies is pretty much devous anti-market game as the US as a
state is partially compensated from the discount on the imported oil. If this is not state
capitalism, then what is?
Notable quotes:
"... The effects of the tax deductions are highly connected with oil prices. At $30 per barrel oil, almost no new fields would be profitable to develop, even with those tax provisions, the researchers say. Of course, at $100 oil, revenues from new projects would be enough to sanction nearly all developments without any tax provisions. "In such a case, nearly all of the subsidy value would go to extra profits," the study says. ..."
"... Almost simultaneously with this study, environmental advocacy group Oil Change International said in a report that "U.S. taxpayers continue to foot the bill for more than $20 billion in fossil fuel subsidies each year." ..."
The high Gulf of Mexico 'subsidy-dependence' isn't a surprise either, considering that
mostly integrated oil companies operate there, and they're not enjoying as much tax deductions
as the independent producers that are doing business in shale basins.
"About 10 billion barrels of Permian oil are in fields that would be profitable at $50 per
barrel even without subsidies, but subsidies bring on enough extra fields to produce an
additional 6.5 billion barrels of oil," the study says.
The effects of the tax deductions are highly connected with oil prices. At $30 per
barrel oil, almost no new fields would be profitable to develop, even with those tax
provisions, the researchers say. Of course, at $100 oil, revenues from new projects would be
enough to sanction nearly all developments without any tax provisions. "In such a case, nearly
all of the subsidy value would go to extra profits," the study says.
"Our findings show that removal of tax incentives and other fossil fuel support policies
could both fulfill G20 commitments and yield climate benefits," researchers say.
Almost simultaneously with this study, environmental advocacy group Oil Change
International said in a report that "U.S.
taxpayers continue to foot the bill for more than $20 billion in fossil fuel subsidies each
year."
In the other camp, the American Petroleum Institute (API)
says that "It's out there; the myth that America's oil and natural gas industry receives
federal subsidies. Subsidies are cash outlays from the U.S. Treasury, and the oil and natural
gas industry doesn't get them."
API points to the fact that other industries also get tax-deductible expenses and other tax
provisions and breaks.
The debate about tax breaks for the oil industry is certainly not new. Those who support the
current provisions argue
that they have supported an industry critical for the U.S. economy and energy security. Those
against say that the provisions are singling out favorites while shifting the tax burden to
others.
Environmentalists say that with climate change a real threat, it's just illogical and wrong
to support fossil fuel development with tax breaks.
Here we are talking about 0.7 million BPD, around a half of OPEC cut...
Unless Reiter misquotes Putin (which is rather common case) it is rather strange to see
President Putin as a defender of oil price slump, engineered to hurt Russia...
President Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday that Turkey would soon close
its border with northern Iraq and shut its air space in response to last week's Kurdish independence
referendum.
Erdogan, who held talks in Tehran on Wednesday with Iranian leaders, also
said Turkey would decide jointly with Iran and Iraq's central government in Baghdad whether
to cut oil exports from Kurdish northern Iraq.
On Wednesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that it was in no-one's interest to
cut off oil supplies from Iraq's Kurdistan, which would raise oil prices.
Erdogan, however, brushed off those concerns, saying the final decision would be made by
Turkey, Iran and Iraq.
Six oil production platforms in New Orleans -- out of the 737 manned platforms in the Gulf
-- had been evacuated as of midday Thursday, according to the Bureau of Safety and
Environmental Enforcement's New Orleans office.
No drilling rigs were evacuated, but one movable rig was taken out of the storm's path. The
agency estimated less than 15 percent of the current oil production in the Gulf of Mexico has
been shut-in, which equates to 254,607 barrels of oil per day.
Tropical Storm Nate's path is forecast to brush across the tip of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula
early Friday night, then later hit the U.S. Gulf Coast as a hurricane by Sunday morning.
Higher than $50 per barrel WTI essential for a meaningful return on capital. May be even
higher then $65 per barrel. right now shale oil production is possible only by simultaneous
generation of junk bonds.
Notable quotes:
"... Higher than $50 per barrel WTI essential for a meaningful return on capital ..."
"... if WTI remains stuck at about $50 per barrel, U.S. shale drillers might be forced to reign in their ambitions, because they won't generate enough cash to reinvest in growth. Second, shale drillers might actually worsen their financial position if they pursue growth. Spending more to produce more -- while that could lead to more oil sales -- might not necessarily be the wisest strategy. ..."
"... For similar reasons, Jim Chanos, short-seller and founder of Kynikos Associates, has made some headlines shorting Continental Resources. He argues that shale companies simply have to spend too much to keep production going. Shale drillers "are creatures of the capital markets," he told Bloomberg . "Because the wells deplete so quickly, they constantly need to raise money to replace the assets. And this is the crux of the story." ..."
"... Another significant observation is that the shaky financial position for some shale drillers also suggests that the downside risk to oil prices might not be as serious as once thought. ..."
"... "The market may well discover it has been asleep at the wheel and far too relaxed about shale keeping a ceiling on prices forever," Ben Luckock, a senior executive at oil trader Trafigura, told an industry conference in Singapore last week. ..."
"... All of the highly-touted cost reductions and efficiency gains have already been "realized." Moody's lowered its outlook for these large oil companies in 2018 from "positive" to simply "stable ..."
The
extraordinary cost reductions achieved by North American oil and gas companies have likely
reached their limit, and any boost in profitability for much of the U.S. shale and Canadian
oil sands industries will have to come from higher oil prices, according to a new report from
Moody's Investors Service.
Moody's studied 37 oil and gas companies in Canada and the U.S., concluding that although
the oil industry has dramatically slashed its cost of production in the past three years and
is currently in the midst of posting much better financials this year, there is little room
left for more progress.
"After substantially improving their cost structures through 2015 and 2016, North American
exploration and production (E&P) companies will demonstrate meaningful capital efficiency
to the extent the West Texas Intermediate (WTI) oil price is above $50 per barrel and the
Henry Hub natural gas price is at least $3.00 per MMBtu," Moody's
said . In other words, WTI will need to rise further if the industry is to improve its
financial position.
The report is another piece of evidence that suggests the U.S. shale industry is perhaps
struggling a bit more than is commonly thought. U.S. shale has been portrayed as nimble, lean
and quick to respond to oil price changes. And while that is largely true, strong profits
remain elusive, despite the huge uptick in production.
Shale drillers have substantially lowered their breakeven prices, but further reductions
will be difficult to achieve, Moody's Vice President Sreedhar Kona said in a statement.
" Higher than $50 per barrel WTI essential for a meaningful return on capital ,"
Moody's said.
The findings are important for a few reasons. First, it suggests that if WTI remains
stuck at about $50 per barrel, U.S. shale drillers might be forced to reign in their
ambitions, because they won't generate enough cash to reinvest in growth. Second, shale
drillers might actually worsen their financial position if they pursue growth. Spending more
to produce more -- while that could lead to more oil sales -- might not necessarily be the
wisest strategy.
For similar reasons, Jim Chanos, short-seller and founder of Kynikos Associates, has
made some headlines shorting Continental Resources. He argues that shale companies simply
have to spend too much to keep production going. Shale drillers "are creatures of the capital
markets," he told
Bloomberg . "Because the wells deplete so quickly, they constantly need to raise money to
replace the assets. And this is the crux of the story."
Another significant observation is that the shaky financial position for some shale
drillers also suggests that the downside risk to oil prices might not be as serious as once
thought. The oil market has tried to assess how quickly shale production would come
roaring back. Reports that shale companies were posting juicy profits at very low oil prices
has likely factored into heady projections for shale output. The EIA has repeatedly projected
that shale output would average 10 million barrels per day next year (although they have
revised that down recently to just 9.8 mb/d).
But that might be overly optimistic if a long list of shale companies are not posting
"meaningful" returns on capital.
"The market may well discover it has been asleep at the wheel and far too relaxed
about shale keeping a ceiling on prices forever," Ben Luckock, a senior executive at oil
trader Trafigura,
told an industry conference in Singapore last week. Bloomberg surveyed a bunch of
oil traders and energy executives at the conference, and the general sense was that oil would
trade between $50 and $60 per barrel, up from an informal consensus of between $40 and $60
last year. While there are many reasons for the newfound bullishness, more modest
expectations about shale growth is certainly one of them.
In a
separate report focusing on larger integrated oil companies, Moody's came to a similar
conclusion -- that the substantial improvement in the financial position of the oil industry
over the past year is poised to slow down. All of the highly-touted cost reductions and
efficiency gains have already been "realized." Moody's lowered its outlook for these large
oil companies in 2018 from "positive" to simply "stable ."
The quote attributed to Mark Twain and Yogi Berra "It's Difficult to Make Predictions, Especially About the Future"
still holds. This assessment by Pete Escobar about forthcoming bankruptcy of KAS need to be verified
in three years from now. It is unclear whether the key future events (such as prediction that the
current Crown Prince might be
deposed with the CIA help) will take place.
It is, nevertheless, clear that KAS economics is under considerable stress due to low oil prices
and that eventually can bankrupt the kingdom as foreign currency reserves shrink rapidly. What
such economic crisis might entail for KAS we can only guess by reshuffling at the top is quite
probably in this case. So in a way the future of KAS hangs on how soon oil prices will be
pushed back into $100 range.
Notable quotes:
"... MBS is surrounded by inexperienced thirty-something princes, and alienating just about everyone else. ..."
"... "the CIA is outraged that the compromise worked out in April, 2014 has been abrogated wherein the greatest anti-terrorist factor in the Middle East, Mohammed bin Nayef, was arrested." That may prompt "vigorous action taken against MBS possibly in early October." And it might even coincide with the Salman-Trump get together. ..."
"... Asia Times' Gulf business source stresses how "the Saudi economy is under extreme strain based on their oil price war against Russia, and they are behind their bills in paying just about all their contractors. That could lead to the bankruptcy of some of the major enterprises in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Arabia of MBS features the Crown Prince buying a US$600 million yacht and his father spending US$100 million on his summer vacation, highlighted on the front pages of the New York Times while the Kingdom strangles under their leadership." ..."
"... MBS's pet project, the spun-to-death Vision 2030, in theory aims to diversify from mere oil profits and dependency on the US to a more modern economy (and a more independent foreign policy). That's completely misguided, according to the source, because "the problem in Saudi Arabia is that their companies cannot function with their local population and [are] reliant on expatriates for about 70% or more of their staff. Aramco cannot run without expatriates. Therefore, selling 5% of Aramco to diversify does not solve the problem. If he wants a more productive society, and less handouts and meaningless government jobs, he has to first train and employ his own people." ..."
"... The similarly lauded Aramco IPO, arguably the largest share sale in history and originally scheduled for next year, has once again been postponed – "possibly" to the second half of 2019, according to officials in Riyadh. And still no one knows where shares will be sold; the NYSE is far from a done deal. ..."
"... I n parallel, MBS's war on Yemen, and the Saudi drive for regime change in Syria and to reshape the Greater Middle East, have turned out to be spectacular disasters. ..."
"... The Islamic State project was conceived as the ideal tool to force Iraq to implode. It's now public domain that the organization's funding came mostly from Saudi Arabia. Even the former imam of Mecca has publicly admitted ISIS' leadership "draw their ideas from what is written in our own books, our own principles." ..."
"... Salafi-jihadism is more than alive inside the Kingdom even as MBS tries to spin a (fake) liberal trend (the "baby you can drive my car" stunt). The problem is Riyadh congenitally cannot deliver on any liberal promise; the only legitimacy for the House of Saud lies in those religious "books" and "principles." ..."
"... In Syria, besides the fact that an absolute majority of the country's population does not wish to live in a Takfiristan , Saudi Arabia supported ISIS while Qatar supported al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra). That ended up in a crossfire bloodbath, with all those non-existent US-supported "moderate rebels" reduced to road kill. ..."
"... In Enemy of the State, the latest Mitch Rapp thriller written by Kyle Mills, President Alexander, sitting at the White House, blurts, "the Middle East is imploding because those Saudi sons of bitches have been pumping up religious fundamentalism to hide the fact that they're robbing their people blind." That's a fair assessment. ..."
"... In terms of what Washington wants, the CIA is not fond of MBS, to say the least. They want "their" man Nayef back. As for the Trump administration, rumors swirl it is " desperate for Saudi money , especially infrastructure investments in the Rust Belt." ..."
"... This piece first appeared in Asia Times . ..."
No wonder, considering that the ousted Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef – highly regarded in the
Beltway, especially Langley – is under house arrest. His massive web of agents at the Interior Ministry
has largely been "relieved of their authority". The
new Interior Minister
is Abdulaziz bin Saud bin Nayef, 34, the eldest son of the governor of the country's largely Shi'ite
Eastern Province, where all the oil is. Curiously, the father is now reporting to his son. MBS
is surrounded by inexperienced thirty-something princes, and alienating just about everyone else.
Former King Abdulaziz set up his Saudi succession based on the seniority of his sons; in theory,
if each one lived to the same age all would have a shot at the throne, thus avoiding the bloodletting
historically common in Arabian clans over lines of succession.
Now, says the source, "a bloodbath is predicted to be imminent." Especially because "the CIA
is outraged that the compromise worked out in April, 2014 has been abrogated wherein the greatest
anti-terrorist factor in the Middle East, Mohammed bin Nayef, was arrested." That may prompt "vigorous
action taken against MBS possibly in early October." And it might even coincide with the Salman-Trump
get together.
ISIS playing by the (Saudi) book
Asia Times' Gulf business source stresses how "the Saudi economy is under extreme strain based
on their oil price war against Russia, and they are behind their bills in paying just about all their
contractors. That could lead to the bankruptcy of some of the major enterprises in Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi Arabia of MBS features the Crown Prince buying a US$600 million yacht and his father spending
US$100 million on his summer vacation, highlighted on the front pages of the New York Times while
the Kingdom strangles under their leadership."
MBS's pet project, the spun-to-death Vision 2030, in theory aims to diversify from mere oil
profits and dependency on the US to a more modern economy (and a more independent foreign policy).
That's completely misguided, according to the source, because "the problem in Saudi Arabia is that
their companies cannot function with their local population and [are] reliant on expatriates for
about 70% or more of their staff. Aramco cannot run without expatriates. Therefore, selling 5% of
Aramco to diversify does not solve the problem. If he wants a more productive society, and less handouts
and meaningless government jobs, he has to first train and employ his own people."
The similarly lauded Aramco IPO, arguably the largest share sale in history and originally
scheduled for next year, has once again been postponed – "possibly" to the second half of 2019, according
to officials in Riyadh. And still no one knows where shares will be sold; the NYSE is far from a
done deal.
I n parallel, MBS's war on Yemen, and the Saudi drive for regime change in Syria and to reshape
the Greater Middle East, have turned out to be spectacular disasters. Egypt and Pakistan have
refused to send troops to Yemen, where relentless Saudi air bombing – with US and UK weapons – has
accelerated malnutrition, famine and cholera, and configured a massive humanitarian crisis.
The Islamic State project was conceived as the ideal tool to force Iraq to implode. It's now
public domain that the organization's funding came mostly from Saudi Arabia. Even the former imam
of Mecca has publicly admitted ISIS' leadership "draw their ideas from what is written in our own
books, our own principles."
Which brings us to the ultimate Saudi contradiction. Salafi-jihadism is more than alive inside
the Kingdom even as MBS tries to spin a (fake) liberal trend (the "baby you can drive my car" stunt).
The problem is Riyadh congenitally cannot deliver on any liberal promise; the only legitimacy for
the House of Saud lies in those religious "books" and "principles."
In Syria, besides the fact that an absolute majority of the country's population does not
wish to live in a
Takfiristan , Saudi Arabia supported ISIS while Qatar supported al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra). That
ended up in a crossfire bloodbath, with all those non-existent US-supported "moderate rebels" reduced
to road kill.
And then there's the economic blockade against Qatar – another brilliant MBS plot. That has only
served to improve Doha's relations with both Ankara and Tehran. Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani
was not regime-changed, whether or not Trump really dissuaded Riyadh and Abu Dhabi from taking "military
action." There was no economic strangulation: Total, for instance, is about to invest US$2 billion
to expand production of Qatari natural gas. And Qatar, via its sovereign fund, counterpunched with
the ultimate soft power move – it bought global footballing brand
Neymar for PSG , and the "blockade" sank without a trace.
"Robbing their people blind"
In Enemy of the State, the latest Mitch Rapp thriller written by Kyle Mills, President Alexander,
sitting at the White House, blurts, "the Middle East is imploding because those Saudi sons of bitches
have been pumping up religious fundamentalism to hide the fact that they're robbing their people
blind." That's a fair assessment.
No dissent whatsoever is allowed in Saudi Arabia. Even the economic analyst Isam Az-Zamil, very
close to the top, has been arrested during the current repression campaign. So opposition to MBS
does not come only from the royal family or some top clerics – although the official spin rules that
only those supporting Muslim Brotherhood, Turkey, Iran and Qatari "terrorism" are being targeted.
In terms of what Washington wants, the CIA is not fond of MBS, to say the least. They want
"their" man Nayef back. As for the Trump administration, rumors swirl it is "
desperate for
Saudi money , especially infrastructure investments in the Rust Belt."
It will be immensely enlightening to compare what Trump gets from Salman with what Putin gets
from Salman: the ailing King will
visit Moscow in late October. Rosneft is interested in buying shares of Aramco when the IPO takes
place. Riyadh and Moscow are considering an OPEC deal extension as well as an OPEC-non-OPEC cooperation
platform incorporating the Gas Exporting Countries Forum (GECF).
Riyadh has read the writing on the new wall: Moscow's rising political / strategic capital all
across the board, from Iran, Syria and Qatar to Turkey and Yemen. That does not sit well with the
US deep state. Even if Trump gets some Rust Belt deals, the burning question is whether the CIA and
its friends can live with MBS on the House of Saud throne.
At this year's Asia-Pacific Petroleum Conference (APPEC) in Singapore last week, the mood
was the most bullish since the 2015 APPEC annual gathering, with most executives polled by
Bloomberg predicting oil prices at $50-$60 next year, compared to last-year predictions
that we'd be at the low end of the $40-$60 band. Still, just a few of the two dozen executives
surveyed expect oil prices to average more than $60 in 2018.
One notable exception from the herd is oil trader Trafigura, whose co-head of group market
risk, Ben Luckock, said at a
presentation at the conference, as carried by the Financial Times:
"We are nearing the end of 'lower for longer'."
"This theory may have had its best days," the manager noted.
By the end of 2019, demand could outstrip supply by up to 4 million bpd, due to
underinvestment during the downturn, and U.S. shale supply won't be able to fill in the gap,
according to Luckock.
Citi has also warned
that oil supply would be tighter next year, as some OPEC members are already pumping at
capacity, and can't boost their oil output as much as the oil market thinks they might after
the end of the OPEC cuts.
"... Now EIA is out with official oil and fuels inventory figures and these figures will certainly make oil bulls perk up. The authority said crude oil inventories in the week to September 29 dropped by as much as 6 million barrels to 465 million barrels. ..."
Now EIA is out with official oil and fuels inventory figures and these figures will certainly
make oil bulls perk up. The authority
said crude oil inventories in
the week to September 29 dropped by as much as 6 million barrels to 465 million barrels.
This compares with an average analyst
expectation of a 300,000-barrel draw, although the actual forecasts ranged from a build of 2.7
million barrels to a decline of 3 million barrels among 11 analysts polled by the Wall Street Journal.
For gasoline stockpiles, the EIA had some not so good news for traders, but it could have been
worse: inventories of the fuel rose by 1.6 million barrels last week, suggesting that the drop in
gasoline demand following the end of driving season is already in progress. Still, it's not as bleak
as API's figures yesterday that foretold of a 4.19-million-barrel build.
How comes? Annual world demand raises around 1.5 million BPD per year. So since 2014 it rose
probably 4 million BPD. And there is no sizable new discoveries. Iran and Libya cards were
already played and total from them is less then 4 million barrel per day. US output is stagnant.
Canadian is down. Where all this additional oil is coming from ?
Iran is currently exporting about 3 million BPD of crude and condensate vs. less than 1
million BPD when the sanctions were in place.
Libya and Nigeria have increased production by about 0.5 BPD undercutting the 1.2 million BPD
OPEC production cut.
Turkey already threatened to close their border with Iraqi Kurdistan, halting the 0.6 BPD of
oil that the Kurds are exporting through Turkey.
Venezuela problems might take another million BPD off the global market.
KSA has recently been forced to borrow $12.5 billion after borrowing $17.5 billion last
year.
Notable quotes:
"... The cartel revised global oil demand growth for 2017 upward by 50,000 barrels per day (BPD) to 1.42 million BPD. ..."
"... China's oil demand rose by 690,000 BPD in July, marking a 6 percent year-over-year (YOY) increase. China's total oil demand reached 11.67 million BPD in July. Year-to-date data indicates an average growth of 550,000 BPD, more than double the 210,000 BPD growth recorded during the same period in 2016. ..."
OPEC crude oil production decreased by 79,000 BPD in August to average 32.8 million BPD.
This marks the first OPEC production decline since April and was primarily driven by sizable
outages in Libya.
The cartel revised global oil demand growth for 2017 upward by 50,000 barrels per day
(BPD) to 1.42 million BPD. The group reports strong growth from the OECD Americas, Europe,
and China. Global oil demand for 2018 is expected to grow by 1.35 million BPD, an upward
revision of 70,000 BPD from the previous report. Growth next year is expected to be driven by
OECD Europe and China.
China's oil demand rose by 690,000 BPD in July, marking a 6 percent year-over-year (YOY)
increase. China's total oil demand reached 11.67 million BPD in July. Year-to-date data
indicates an average growth of 550,000 BPD, more than double the 210,000 BPD growth recorded
during the same period in 2016.
China's gasoline demand was higher by around 0.10 million BPD YOY, driven by robust sports
utility vehicle (SUV) sales, which were around 17 percent higher than one year ago. China's
overall vehicle sales in July rose by 4 percent YOY, with total sales reaching 1.7 million
units.
The numbers from China are interesting given the constant refrain of weakening Chinese
demand. This seems to be wishful thinking based on China's investments in clean technology.
No so fast... Five years later (the article was written in 2013) the US empire is still
going strong. meanwhile from 2013 to 2017 it managed to counterattack resource
nationalists (killing Kaddafi) and and win in Libya, making the country a colony again.
I think Venezuela is the next. Oil prices
dropped more then 50% in 2014 (from over $100 to less then $50 per barrel ) and did not yet recovered...
Notable quotes:
"... For an example of the ethical problems of empire, think about the completely unjustifiable attacks on civilians done by the U.S. in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and most prominently in Pakistan and Yemen, especially done by drones. Or consider U.S. use of torture, from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay. As everyone knows by now, ethical and humanitarian appeals have been completely and categorically rejected by U.S. leaders, not beginning with 9-11, certainly rejected with greater vigor since then. ..."
"... But there is another, often overlooked, analysis of U.S. actions, that is the logical result of engaging in the actions of Empire, and that concerns the logical consequence of using massive amounts of resources to attempt to control the resources being used (the second use of the term resources here includes citizens; the people of a city or nation). As the economic, logistic, and humanitarian costs all rise in direct proportion to Empire's actions, the sustaining of the Empire becomes impossible, on the basis of its own internal logic. ..."
"... When the issue of blowback is added "i.e. that other nations and peoples are unlikely to cooperate willingly in having their resources, humanity, and very lives removed from them "the end result, Empire's fall, could be hastened, and is certainly assured. We can now predict not only how it will happen, but also its imminent coming. ..."
"... First, the heaviest resource consumers of fossil fuels, in order, are the U.S. military, U.S. citizens, China, and India. The Department of Defense per capita energy consumption is 10 times more than per capita energy consumption in China, or 30 times more than that of Africa. ..."
"... Oil accounts for more than three-fourths of DoD’s total energy consumption. The Post Carbon Institute estimates that abroad alone, the U.S. military consumes about 150,000 barrels per day. In 2006, for example, the Air Force consumed 2.6 billion gallons of jet-fuel, which is the same amount of fuel U.S. airplanes consumed during all of WWII (between December 1941 and August 1945) (from The Resilience Group of the Post Carbon Institute, www.resilience.org ). ..."
"... This essays suggests that these two solid arguments should now be combined with an institutional-logical analysis to demonstrate not only the intrinsic, natural limits to empire, but to show reasons how and why empire must and will ultimately disintegrate due to the hubris of ignoring natural limitations of unbridled consumption coupled with attempts at singular control over others' resources and peoples. ..."
There are numerous legal and ethical arguments that can and have been made in opposition to
U.S. foreign policy of raw aggression. For an example of the illegalities of U.S. Empire,
examine the Geneva Conventions, all four of which directly proscribe what they each call
outrages to human dignity, in particular
humiliating and degrading treatment (I, 1, 3). The
outrages are named specifically as torture, mutilation, cruel
treatment, taking hostages, murder, biological experimentation, and passing sentences on
prisoners without benefit of a regularly constituted
court.
Additionally, the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 both underscore the Geneva Conventions
and expand the traditional ethical concerns to rights and duties of neutral states by banning
the use of poison gases or arms, destroying or seizing enemy private property, attacking towns
and cities that are undefended, pillaging, collective punishment, servility of enemy citizens,
and bullets made to wreak havoc once inside the human body. Prescriptions to limit the conduct
of war include the requirements to warn towns of impending attacks, to protect cultural,
religious, and health institutions, and to insure public order and safety.
For an example of the ethical problems of empire, think about the completely unjustifiable
attacks on civilians done by the U.S. in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and most prominently
in Pakistan and Yemen, especially done by drones. Or consider U.S. use of torture, from Abu
Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay. As everyone knows by now, ethical and humanitarian appeals have been
completely and categorically rejected by U.S. leaders, not beginning with 9-11, certainly
rejected with greater vigor since then.
But there is another, often overlooked, analysis of U.S. actions, that is the logical result
of engaging in the actions of Empire, and that concerns the logical consequence of using
massive amounts of resources to attempt to control the resources being used (the second use of
the term resources here includes citizens; the people of a
city or nation). As the economic, logistic, and humanitarian costs all rise in direct
proportion to Empire's actions, the sustaining of the Empire becomes
impossible, on the basis of its own internal logic.
In whatever historical epoch you choose, if you take your compass and draw a circle around
any given tribe, you can see the desired extent of their territorial claims for resource
control. One thus can see that particular group's
resource consumption;
and
circle of desired resource control. But when two further historical developments are
added, such as
technologically-driven consumption (e.g. fossil-fuel guzzling appliances and
cars, etc.); and
now necessary desires for global resources needed to feed that
group's consumption habits "then the situation expands
sufficiently to become one of using extensive amounts of the very resources one is attempting
to control (in the U.S. case, oil and money) for the sake of controlling the resources over
which one needs to exert control! This circular logic cannot be maintained when it meets
a
scarcity of resources; and
the natural-institutional-logical antinomy of using resources in
massive amounts to control the resources you are using for control. In other words, the empire
based on this pattern must end when it runs headlong into resource scarcity, and/or
natural-logical contradictions involving its own internal (economic and resource) limitations.
This argument against U.S. Empire is not based on ethical or legal grounds (although those
remain the best arguments in favor of voluntarily ending empire and regaining our citizenship
[civil rights] and humanness) "since those arguments have been put asunder by the
U.S. administrators of empire. Rather, the institutional-logical analysis argues that an empire
such as the U.S. has constructed exhausts itself by being unable to expand fast enough to
control everything it seeks in order to continue its dominance.
When the issue of blowback is
added "i.e. that other nations and peoples are unlikely to cooperate willingly in
having their resources, humanity, and very lives removed from them "the end result,
Empire's fall, could be hastened, and is certainly assured. We can now
predict not only how it will happen, but also its imminent coming. Here's
how.
First, the heaviest resource consumers of fossil fuels, in order, are the U.S. military,
U.S. citizens, China, and India. The Department of Defense per capita energy consumption is 10
times more than per capita energy consumption in China, or 30 times more than that of Africa.
Oil accounts for more than three-fourths of DoD’s total energy consumption. The Post
Carbon Institute estimates that abroad alone, the U.S. military consumes about 150,000 barrels
per day. In 2006, for example, the Air Force consumed 2.6 billion gallons of jet-fuel, which is
the same amount of fuel U.S. airplanes consumed during all of WWII (between December 1941 and
August 1945) (from The Resilience Group of the Post Carbon Institute, www.resilience.org ).
Second, concerning the global dimension of resource control, one needs only to understand
the preferred method that U.S. Empire acolytes use to justify their actions abroad: the
state of emergency that was declared after 9/11 has continued
unabated since then, due to the ongoing threat of
terrorism (see Jeremy Scahill, Dirty Wars: The World is a
Battlefield , for the latest detailed instances of this process.). The domestic equivalent
to his war has been well underway since 9-11. (For detail on
the domestic front, see also Trevor Aaronson, Terror Factory , regarding FBI domestic
use of the ongoing threat of terrorism to deny basic civil
rights to citizens).
This allows U.S. government administrators to maintain a state of
exception to the rule of law. Georgio Agamben, in his book States of
Exception , defines this phrase as extraordinary governmental actions resulting from
distinctively political crises. As such, the actions of such administrators are in-between
normal political operations and legal ones. This no
man's land of government policy is not only difficult to
define, but brings in its wake a suspension of the entire existing
juridical order. Thus, states of exception are those in which a government in fact
suspends the rule of law for itself, while attempting to maintain some semblance of legal
order, for the purpose of consolidating its power and control (see Georgio Agamben, States
of Exception , Chapter Two).
Regarding the scarcity of resources issue, none other than the World Bank produced a
detailed study of demand and supply projections for the immediate future. The study projects
that, on the basis of current consumption and immediately precedent rises in it, the demand for
food will rise by 50% by 2030, for meat by 85%, for oil by 20 million barrels a day, and for
water by 32%, all by the same year.
This is met by alarming statistics and predictions from the
supply side. In their report, they state that global food growth rates fell by 1.1% over
the past decade, and are continuing to fall, while global food consumption outstripped
production in seven of the eight years between 2000 and 2008. Further, the Food and
Agricultural Organization and the UN Environment Program estimate that 16% of the arable
land used now is degraded. Intensifying competition between different land uses is
likely to emerge in future, including food crops, livestock, etc., and the
world's expanding cities. Current rates of water extraction from
rivers, groundwater and other sources are already unsustainable in many parts of the world.
Over one billion people live in water basins in which the physical scarcity of water is
absolute; by 2025, the figure is projected to rise two billion, with up to two thirds of the
world's population living in water-stressed conditions (mainly in non-OECD
countries).
On oil , the International Energy Agency has warned consistently that there
is a significant risk of a new supply crunch as the global
economy recovers. Additionally, the IEA's
chief economist argues that peak production could take place by 2020 (from the
World Development Report 2011, Background Paper: Resource Scarcity, Climate
Change and the Risk of Violent Conflict, www.worldbank.org ).
The conclusion from all of these points is nearly obvious: if resources are even relatively
scarce, and the habits of and desires for consumption continue to rise among nations, and
especially among the citizens of Empire (as has been documented in part above), and if control
over those resources is the goal of Empire, but if the Empire consumes more resources than it
can logistically or economically control due to natural limitations of those resources
themselves, and/or to the consumption of more resources than is either available to it or that
it needs to survive, then the power of the Empire will naturally-logically end in a sharp
decline, and soon (For applicable details on this, see Richard Heinberg,
The Brief, Tragic Reign of Consumerism "and the Birth of a
Happy Alternative, www.postcarbon.org ).
With all indicators predicting that the contradictions of Empire's
resource consumption, circle of desired resource control, scarcity of resources, and
contradiction in resource use and control, are all about to collide in a few years, not
decades, it is time to start planning for a post-Empire future. To that end, any psychologist
reading this analysis will recognize themes of realistic conflict
theory, which is a theory which explains how intergroup hostility can arise as a
result of conflicting goals and competition over limited resources
The key point in bringing
this psychological theory into the discussion is that in this theory, it is concluded that
friction between groups can be reduced only in the presence of superordinate goals that promote
united, cooperative action (see Wikipedia on Realistic Conflict
Theory for a good overview, summarized here. https://en.wikipedia.org ). Note the agreement of the ethical,
legal, and psychological analyses of Empire's oppression: the most effective
resolution to oppression, (empire) dominance, and conflict is united, cooperative action, not
the attempt to control or destroy people and nations who stand in the way of our control.
We have seen that progressives have had available to them a standard two-pronged argument
against empire "American or any other". Progressives have for good reason appealed
consistently to the ethical and the legal arguments available to help stem the desires for
world and resource domination.
This essays suggests that these two solid arguments should now
be combined with an institutional-logical analysis to demonstrate not only the intrinsic,
natural limits to empire, but to show reasons how and why empire must and will ultimately
disintegrate due to the hubris of ignoring natural limitations of unbridled consumption coupled
with attempts at singular control over others' resources and peoples.
War in Yemen is perfect destruction from internal problems facing Saudi regime. And Wahhabism
is like albatross around the neck on any attempts to reform the county. So as soon as oil ends
Saudi Arabia will end as a state too. that means it is unclear if they still exist in 2050 or
2100.
Perhaps the prince is purposefully driving us to distraction...
Intensified brutality has not been
limited to Saudi soil. As defense minister, Mohammed bin Salman was the architect of a more
interventionist posture for Saudi Arabia -- motivated far less by quashing terrorism than its
regional and sectarian rivalries. In particular, he shaped a policy that flagrantly violated
humanitarian norms against Yemen's civilian population. Even the most jaundiced skeptic about
the United Nations would regard Secretary-General Antonio Guterres as a highly credible voice
on humanitarian situations given that he is the former high commissioner for refugees and
former prime minister of Portugal. His special representative for children abused in wartime,
Virginia Gamba, has
documented hundreds of cases of Yemeni children killed and maimed by the Saudi's
indiscriminate use of force.
There will never be any science in Saudi Arabia. It isn't a part of their civilisation. It
has never been in history. The great Islamic science of the Middle Ages existed in entirely
different places: Iran, Mesopotamia, Syria and Egypt. The territory to the south has always
been a scientific desert. No "human rights" or feminism can change this fundamental historic
tradition.
It has to be said that this near-existential crisis sneaked up on OPEC nations rather
swiftly. I can't see how a pampered and indulged populace can get around to educating itself
and working for a living in short order. There is a lot of tumultuous years ahead for these
nations.
Saudi Arabia has no chance to emerge from the middle age unless it leaders admit that
their religion Wahhabism is obsolete and need to be revisited.
The trouble is that Wahhabismm and strict Sunnism, contrary to Shiism, forbids any attempt to
revisit the teaching of the Sunna ( Koran + Hadith). Wahhabism can't evolve.
Therefore Saudi Arabia is trapped in that scheme and can never get out of it. The only way
out is the total collapse of the kingdom as a whole. Maybe that is the real Vision!
And these are the sort of people Trump visited first and they are USA allies in
fratricidal war in Syria...there are actually lots of similarity between USA and Saudi
Arabia;they are both sadistic governments.
Since the actual military/defense/intelligence related spending is 1 trillion dollars a
year, including about 100 billion in interest we pay on it, if we cut the spending a little
and rely on national guard more since I've read it is cheaper to fund and if necessary
nationalize our oil and gas industry like a lot of other countries we could start paying off
our debt. :D
The whole world must prepare for the post-petroleum order. But it's not, so there will be
chaos and war. A country like Australia could fare better than most - if it could defend
itself.
The much reduced growth of US production paves now the way for higher oil and gas prices. As
oil prices will be low for a while due to global surplus capacity and substitution of oil demand,
the chances for much higher gas prices over the next few months are very high.
Notable quotes:
"... Global costs are expected to decline but cost of US onshore (i.e. tight oil) is increasing by approx. 16% in 2017. The industry has increased its leverage (i.e. more debt) and direct investment to short cycle projects. ..."
Not much new for those who follow the industry. Upstream investment declined substantially
in 2015 and 2016 (44% for the two years combined) but has been increasing modestly this
year.
Global costs are expected to decline but cost of US onshore (i.e. tight oil) is
increasing by approx. 16% in 2017. The industry has increased its leverage (i.e. more debt)
and direct investment to short cycle projects.
I guess this is a gentle way of saying that not much exploration is done at the moment,
the industry expects (or needs) higher prices but will be less agile if/when that
happens.
Crude oil vs NGLs
I've now included China (NBS, LPG) and The Russian Federation (JODI Data, LPG) in the list of
countries that provide separate crude oil & NGLs production data. Since 2013, total
liquids production has increased +7.77 million b/day, crude oil +5.01 million b/day, NGLS
+2.76 million b/day and so NGLs account for 35% of the overall total liquids increase.
says: 09/21/2017 at 11:01
am I don't scroll much on tablets. So somewhere up above there was talk of condensate and
why GOR in the Bakken meant or didn't mean something . . . for reported oil production.
Condensate has definition problems. When used casually it usually means liquid that flows
from an OIL well, though the proper term for that liquid would be lease condensate. Condensate
from gas wells is generally NGLs and not liquid at room temp/pressure.
But Lease Condensate is liquid at room temp/pressure. Nat Gas from a crude oil well,
creating or associated with a flow of NGLs AND lease condensate, will essentially mean a flow
of liquid-at-roomtemp with API 45-75 added in with the crude oil liquid. That's definition for
lease condensate. API 45-75. It won't have hardly any diesel or kerosene in it.
Lots of potential for fuzzing up pricing. There seems to be a glib wave of the hand and a
"the higher the API, the easier it is to refine so it's more valuable." But this can't be so if
a refiner has diesel and kerosene customers to serve.
The Bakken API number is higher than previous claims, per Statoil's February assay. This is
all getting no attention. Reply
No, I'm afraid you have that completely wrong. Lease condensate comes from a gas well, as the
pressure is let off some liquid drops out (it's a complicated process and can be due to the
gas cooling as it expands and a phenomenon called retrograde condensation – it depends
where the starting and finishing points are in relation to the phase envelope). That is
condensate (mostly pentanes with some heavier, and lighter stuff absorbed). The gas left over
goes to a gas plant and NGLs are removed (C2, C3 and C4). Associated gas from an oil well
also goes to a gas plant and NGLs get removed from it as well, there may be some drop out
from the gas in the pipeline which arrives at the gas plant – that is also called
condensate, but it is not lease condensate as it is metered separately (i.e. it is part of
the gas a far as the lease owner is concerned).
Lease condensate
When most people talk about condensates they are referring to lease condensates, so defined
because they are produced at the lease level from oil or gas wells. These condensates can be
produced along with significant volumes of natural gas and are typically recovered at
atmospheric temperatures and pressures from the wellhead gas production. These "raw"
condensates come out of the ground as mixtures of various hydrocarbon compounds including
NGLs, pentanes (C5s, so called because they have five carbons in the molecules), C6s
(hexanes), and depending on the condensate, a menagerie of heavier hydrocarbons in the C7, C8
and even heavier range.
A lease condensate has an API gravity ranging between 45 to 75 degrees. Those with a high
API contain lots of NGLs (including ethane, propane and butane) and not many of the heavier
hydrocarbons. These condensates are clear or translucent in color. The condensates with a
lower API gravity down at the 45 degree level look more like crude oil (black or near black)
and have much higher concentrations of the heavier C7, C8 and heavier compounds.
The WestTexas guy posted a graph some time ago showing relative concentration of middle
distillates as a function of API degree number. The amount crashes around API 42. Looking for
link . . . .
Someone can find his post if they like. I stored the chart and am uploading it to
imgur.
"... I know it's an analogy I have used before – as Lucy in the Peanuts ..."
"... Washington is the big brother Poroshenko turns to when he wants help to stymie Russia's efforts to build circumferential commercial links around Ukraine, and instead for Ukraine to have an important linking role in Russia's energy business with Europe – in short, for Russia to continue using Ukraine to transit its gas to Europe. ..."
"... In Ukraine's current condition, it is at serious risk of collapse. And a country that sends its gas across Ukraine is a country that cannot afford to let Ukraine turn into a failed state, at any cost. Just to put a cherry on top of this splendiferous vision, complications actually can be introduced, at a whim, into Europe's energy supply, should they get uppity. ..."
"... This is no time for Russia to weaken in its resolve. But it is also no time for Germany to allow itself to be rolled. Somebody is going to be a major gas hub for Europe, and in the current climate it is going to be Germany or Ukraine. Germany should ask itself what Ukraine has done for it which would merit such sacrifice. ..."
First, I ran across
an hilarious post on Interfax Ukraine, which I was just going to offer for everyone's amusement.
It featured the 17-year-old CEO of Naftogaz, Andriy (it's very important to Ukrainians that they
spell their names differently from the Russian spelling, because they are not ignorant Slavs like
the Russians, but the descendants of billion-year-old-carbon extraterrestrials) Kobolev, blubbering
about how Siemens had caved in to pressure from the Russians, and stopped the sale of compressors
to Naftogaz that it needed to modernize its Gas Transit System (GTS). He's not really 17, of course;
he just has that
Richie Cunningham kind of face that makes him look perennially pubescent, complete with red hair.
That's part of what makes the article funny. There's more, but we'll get to that, in a bit.
Then it occurred to me that I've seen a loose series of pieces lately which mention Ukraine and
gas transit, such as Ken Rapoza's
piece for Forbes (which I mentioned already, in the comments to the previous post), where he
unaccountably suggests that Russia has discovered it still needs Ukraine. As I argued on that occasion,
Ukraine's soulful big-eyed caricature of trustworthiness is unlikely to fool anyone in Russia, and
merely underscores how important it is for Russia's continuing progress and uncoupling from the west
that it circumvent Ukraine, and not rely on it for anything.
But then I ran across
this . The EU is again taking the position, or at least it appears so from the gobbling of the
human turkey Maros Sefcovic, that transit of Russian gas through Ukraine after 2020 is a priority.
And I thought, holy shit. Are we really going to go through all this all over again? And
then I thought, what's a word for people who are incapable of learning? It's plain that western bureaucrats
see themselves – and I know it's an analogy I have used before – as
Lucy in the
Peanuts comic strips , holding the football for Charlie Brown (Russia), only to snatch
it away at the last second so that Charlie Brown/Russia falls ignominiously on his ass, to great
amusement. What's a word for people who are so stupid that they believe everyone else is too stupid
to see through their self-interested mendacity?
So I searched "What do you call people who are incapable of learning?"
This site – somewhat unkindly – suggested "thick". Fair enough, I thought.
... ... ...
But that wasn't the part that made me laugh. No, what I found funny was Kobolev's
pouty insistence that Nord Stream II be opposed as a 'politically-motivated project'. Just as if
leaning on the jellyfish President of the European Commission to force Russia to continue transiting
Europe's gas through the slow-motion collapse that is Ukraine had nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
Nope, that just stands out as a solid business decision in every way, doesn't it?
Let's get something up-front and on deck right now, so that there is no ambiguity to confuse the
issue. Washington was behind the Maidan turning into a violent insurrection, and the USA remains
behind the scenes
pulling the strings at the SBU . A
very frank phone conversation
between State Department neoconservative cookie-distributor Victoria Nuland and United States Ambassador
to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, in which the eventual composition of the coup government was planned in
unambiguous detail should be all the evidence anyone needs that the entire process was manipulated
and micromanaged. Lest anyone forget, Nuland's choice, 'Yats' – Arseniy Yatsenyuk – was
such a political dung-magnet that he lasted only 26 months in the job. To be fair to him, he
was tasked with implementing the IMF's favourite reform (because it's the only one the IMF really
knows); austerity, in the poorest country in Europe. And it is the United States of America which
continues to have its arm up the back of Kiev's shirt, making its mouth move. Washington is the big
brother Poroshenko turns to when he wants help to stymie Russia's efforts to build circumferential
commercial links around Ukraine, and instead for Ukraine to have an important linking role in Russia's
energy business with Europe – in short, for Russia to continue using Ukraine to transit its gas to
Europe.
Why is that, do you suppose? What's in it for Washington?
Dragging Ukraine into the west's orbit has long been a goal for Washington, dating back to the
late and mostly-unlamented Zbigniew Brzezinski's 'grand chessboard' strategy – a geostrategic imperative,
he said, to ensure American primacy in the world. Russia without Ukraine, quoth the pushing-up-daisies
Pole, would never attain great-power status. And America has sort of gotten to like the feeling of
being the only great power in the world.
The strategic value of Ukraine, then, is manifold. It can be stirred at any time to whip up global
ire against Russia. NATO military exercises in Ukraine can be used to parade western might across
Russia's doorstep. But its real value lies in continued gas transit by Russia between the source
and Russia.
For one thing, it's the money – more than $ 2 Billion a year out of Russia's pocket and into Ukraine's,
in transit fees. Once Russia is committed to continuing to use Ukraine as a transit country, transit
fees can always be used as leverage to negotiate sweet energy deals for Ukraine, against the threat
of interrupting Europe's gas supply. Europe would play its part by acting hysterically terrified
and victimized. But that's still pretty small potatoes.
In Ukraine's current condition, it is at serious risk of collapse. And a country that sends its
gas across Ukraine is a country that cannot afford to let Ukraine turn into a failed state, at any
cost. Just to put a cherry on top of this splendiferous vision, complications actually can be introduced,
at a whim, into Europe's energy supply, should they get uppity.
There is no room in this sugarplum daydream for an independent Germany which is a gas hub for
Europe, perhaps not even with Mutti Merkel at the helm.
Perhaps some sort of medal could be struck for Sefcovic, for his relentless determination to herd
Russia into a horrible bargain which would see it constantly bargaining and negotiating with greedy
and lawless Ukraine for the expensive privilege of transiting its gas through Ukraine's whistling,
creaking pipelines. In other circumstances, such dedication might be admirable. But I'm pretty confident
that nobody in Russia is buying it. Europe has made an increasingly half-hearted attempt to stop
Nord Stream II, and has learned instead that if it wanted to make a sensible legal argument, it should
never have allowed the first pipeline; that's what, in the legal business, is known as 'precedent'.
All of which leads us to suspect that the real remaining antagonist to the Nord Stream II pipeline
is somebody whom it should not by rights concern at all, since that entity is neither part of the
supply chain nor the end user of the product – Uncle Sam.
This is no time for Russia to weaken in its resolve. But it is also no time for Germany to allow
itself to be rolled. Somebody is going to be a major gas hub for Europe, and in the current climate
it is going to be Germany or Ukraine. Germany should ask itself what Ukraine has done for it which
would merit such sacrifice.
"... The critics allege that Nord Stream 2 is a political project. So what? When the Obama Administration authorised liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports from the United States, did it have politics in mind? Sure. When the Lithuanians turned to LNG to lessen their reliance on Russia, were they pursuing a political project? Well, the importing vessel is called "Independence." Saying that Nord Stream 2 is a political project does not get you very far ..."
"... I can't believe it has taken this long for Euractiv to post a normal article on NordStream II. Sure, it is not the Russophobic shitrag that EUObserver carrying bs opinions from self-acclaimed 'apolitical' energy expert Srijben de Jong, but absence of common sense articles on the issue are few and far between. I'll give this a '1 Hurrah!'. Let see if if it spreads. ..."
Nord Stream 2 continues to divide Europe. That's a pity. For all the noise, Nord Stream 2 is
just a distraction – it doesn't really matter. Here's why, writes Nikos Tsafos.
Nikos Tsafos is president of enalytica, an energy consulting firm, and an adjunct lecturer
at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).
The critics allege that Nord Stream 2 is a political project. So what? When the Obama Administration
authorised liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports from the United States, did it have politics in
mind? Sure. When the Lithuanians turned to LNG to lessen their reliance on Russia, were they pursuing
a political project? Well, the importing vessel is called "Independence." Saying that Nord Stream
2 is a political project does not get you very far
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I can't believe it has taken this long for Euractiv to post a normal article on NordStream
II. Sure, it is not the Russophobic shitrag that EUObserver carrying bs opinions from self-acclaimed
'apolitical' energy expert Srijben de Jong, but absence of common sense articles on the issue
are few and far between. I'll give this a '1 Hurrah!'. Let see if if it spreads.
Nord Stream 2 as such is economically more attractive than transit via Ukraine. The gas pipeline
into the Baltic Sea will cost Gazprom $16.9 by our data, while gas supply to Germany via Ukraine
on the contact tariffs is twice as expensive - $32.48. On new tariffs, which Gazprom does not recognize,
it will cost even more - $45.
Supposing that equal volumes (22.5 billion cu m) of gas will be supplied to Waidhaus and Baumgarten
entry points through Nord Stream-2, the annual expenses on the Ukrainian route will prove higher
than on the Nord Stream-2 by $377 million on current contract price and by $920 million on new prices.
... ... ...
The contract with Naftogaz of Ukraine will expire in 2019 and Gazprom will not be able to pay
for the transit on the current prices any longer, irrespective of Stockholm Arbitration Tribunal's
ruling. So, after 2019, the Russian Holding should be guided by the new prices Ukraine's national
watchdog set in 2016. The difference in the expenses on transit via Ukraine and supplies through
Nord Stream-2 is dramatic. $920 million is sufficient to get payback for Nord Stream-2 within 12
years and receive energy efficiency for 412 billion within the following 13 years. This amount is
enough to earn, cover expenditures on gas pipelines built in Russia, including the ones for Nord
Stream-2. For instance, new gas pipelines Bovanenkovo-Ukhta-2 and Ukhta-Torzhok-2 designed to supply
additional gas from Yamal deposits is estimated at some $8 billion.
Naftogaz of Ukraine insists that increased rates are connected with "accelerated amortization,"
since Gazprom plans to refuse from Ukraine, which has no other large client for its gas transportation
system. Kiev promises a 10-fold reduction of transit price by Naftogaz of Ukraine starting 2020 if
Gazprom pays the increased transit price of $16 billion for four years.
"It is a bluff," says Dmitry Marunich , Co-chair of the Energy Strategies Fund. "With the rate
of $4.5 Naftogaz of Ukraine will not manage to ensure operation of its gas transportation system
even if annual transit makes up 120 billion cu m of gas. Needless to say, the gas transportation
system itself needs modernization, since most of the pipelines are more than 40 years-old already."
Naftogaz of Ukraine receives more than $2 billion from Gazprom for gas transit. Meantime, gas
prices inside Ukraine has increased 8-fold during the last few years. However, this money too is
insufficient for Naftogaz to import gas. The company refused from gradual modernization of the gas
transportation system that will cost $3.2 billion by estimates of Mott McDonald, UK, yet long ago.
What all this may result in, for instance, for the southern route of gas supply to Hungary, Turkey,
Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania, one can learn from a letter by leadership of Ukraine's gas transportation
system operator to Naftogaz of Ukraine. The text of the letter is available on zn.ua.
" refusal from implementation of separate reconstruction projects for line pipes of main gas pipelines
will affect future technical condition and uninterrupted operation of main gas pipelines: delivery
point for Hungary, 'Soyuz,' 'Progress,' SHDO (Shebelinka-Dnepr-Odessa), RI (Razdelnaya-Ismail), SHDKRI
(Shebelinka-Dnepr-Krivoy Rod-Ismail)," reads Ukrtransgaz PJSC leadership's letter to Andrey Kobolev
, Chairman of Board, Naftogaz of Ukraine NJSC dated March 2, 2017.
Supposing that Gazprom will keep a considerable volume of gas transit via Ukraine, they will have
to include into Naftogaz of Ukraine's transit rate also significant funds for modernization. They
have nowhere to get such funds, except the transit rate. That is why, transit rate cannot be low
or equal to the current one. In addition, Ukrainian watchdog is expected to impose a 20% VAT on the
new rate for gas transit, according to the website of the National Commission. Gas recovery companies
litigated the given provision and VAT is so far paid only by traders importing gas from EU.
It is quite possible that Ukraine will change its stance, like it has done many times before.
However, even if the current contract price of gas transit is left unchanged for Gazprom, the pipelines
passing by Ukraine will be still more profitable. Evidently, Turkish Stream and Nord Stream 2 projects
are much more profitable for Gazprom. Besides, it will give Russia quite new gas infrastructure from
the deposits in Yamal to Europe without mediators influenced by U.S. rivals. As for Ukraine, it has
become too "narrow" and dangerous an energy corridor not only for Russia, but also for Europe. This
motivates the sides to complete construction of gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine even more now, after
the U.S. president has approved new sanctions on Russia.
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2017/08/04/what-will-russia-lose-refusing-from-gas-pipelines-bypassing-ukraine
The specially-built ship completed the crossing in just six-and-a-half days setting a
new record, according to tanker's Russian owners.
The 300-metre-long Sovcomflot ship, the Christophe de Margerie, was carrying gas from
Norway to South Korea .
The Christophe de Margerie is the world's first and, at present, only ice-breaking LNG
carrier.
The ship, which features a lightweight steel reinforced hull, is the largest commercial
ship to receive Arc7 certification, which means it is capable of travelling through ice up to
2.1m thick. ..
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Another misleading headline, which is a pity because I wanted to say that the downside
would be that it makes for shit Gin & Tonics if there is no ice!
Just as a reminder of FAKE news by the previous President that was met with raptured
adulation by the professional media:
You are absolutely correct about her not being "pro-Russian", albeit she is an "ethnic"
Russian: she is pro-Yulia Tymoshenko, nothing else..
Tymoshenko started off as a businesswoman in Dnepropetrovsk (now Dnipro), her home town,
and with the help of the former governor of her home province, the unbelievably corrupt
former Ukrainian prime minister, "Mr. 50%" Lazarenko, became immensely wealthy in an
amazingly short time, not least because, for an appropriate fee, Prime Minister Lazarenko
gave her control of the Ukrainian gas industry.
Tymoshenko was a brunette when she started of her business career and at that time only
spoke Russian, which is both her mother tongue and the first (and probably only) language of
her Russian mother. Her first foray into business was running a video-hire firm in
Dnepropetrovsk, where she flogged off bootleg soft-porn imported from Poland.
The "Gas Princess" then saw that there was much more wealth to be further garnered by her
entering what is laughably called in the Ukraine "politics". She changed her image to one of,
I suspect, a latter-day Lesya Ukrainka, and the rest is history.
She also seriously studied the Ukrainian language, which on her own admission, she did not
speak until she was in her 30s: she speaks nothing else now, in public at any rate.
The "Orange Revolution" for dear Yulia was just another opportunity for her to make even
more lolly.
Ukrainians remember that in the 1990s, before the braids, Tymoshenko was a shrewd
businesswoman with dark hair and a dark side: tough, unrelenting, unforgiving, and in a
league with then-Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko. She amassed an enormous fortune in the
natural gas business. People started calling her "The Gas Princess." And there she was helped
by the sweetheart deals Lazarenko allegedly sent her way.
Given all the talk that later charges against Tymoshenko were trumped up or falsified
in the Ukraine, it's probably important to know that her ally Lazarenko was prosecuted in the
United States, where he was convicted and imprisoned for money laundering and other crimes.
Tymoshenko was not charged in that case and she has denied wrongdoing, but she was named
explicitly as part of the conspiracy detailed in the indictment.
"Lazarenko received money from companies owned or controlled by Ukrianian [sic]
business woman Yulia Tymoshenko in exchange for which Lazarenko exercised his official
authority in favor of Tymoshenko's companies, and Lazarenko failed to disclose to the people
and government of Ukraine that he was receiving significant amounts of money from these
companies."
Tymoshenko moved from business to politics when she entered parliament in 1996. Three
years later, when Lazarenko fled the country (claiming people were out to kill him),
Tymoshenko helped found the Fatherland Party on an anti-Lazarenko anti-corruption
platform.
That prosecution is important, because the USA knows full well many of the details of
Tymoshenko's business relationship with Lazarenko. Consequently, it could probably make or
break her – exactly the position Uncle Same likes to be in with his relentless spying
and snooping on everyone and everything.
The same Naftogaz which plans to
tack on an extra $5 Billion
to its demands from Gazprom – already $12.3 Billion
– for what it says was underpayment of transit fees between 2009 and 2016. The same
Naftogaz that squeals what a reliable partner it is whenever there is mention of building a
pipeline around Ukraine so Russia will not have to transit gas through it.
Certainly doing a lot to help themselves, aren't they?
Lithuania helps America conquer Europe
Lithuania has accepted the first batch of liquefied natural gas from the USA
.... ... ...
The first consignment of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States has arrived
at the port of Klaipeda. The Lithuanian authorities hope that the country will become a
regional distribution centre (hub) for US gas. They also believe that supplies of overseas
raw materials will help reduce gas prices in neighbouring countries and Lithuania
itself.
Analysts do not consider Lithuania's gas policy rational and effective, noting that
Russian pipeline gas is now much cheaper than LNG.
There is nothing you can do to stop an ideologue who turns up his/her nose at cheaper local
supply of a particular commodity because he/she dislikes the supplier, and elects to purchase
more expensive goods from an alternate source. The fact is, Lithuania could become a hub for
US LNG, and bring down gas prices for its customers so that they were eager to purchase it.
Lithuania could accomplish this through the simple expedient of buying American gas at a high
price – compared with Russian pipeline gas – and selling it at a lower price than
Russia was willing to do. Of course, somebody would have to absorb the cost of the price
difference, and that would be Lithuania. If Lithuania is willing to do that, as I said, she
cannot be stopped from doing it by anything short of the poverty which will eventually
result.
Knock yourself out, Grybauskaitė. If you were ordered to describe her policies in one
word, 'irrational' would probably do quite well. Americans will be comforted to know there is
more than one irrational president in the world.
Sanctions, but US still buying billions of dollars worth (including baksheesh) of rocket
engines and screwing around with international space station boondoggle (million dollar
toilet seats, hammers and widgets). And more baksheesh.
Try to google search a fixed price on one Russian rocket engine.
The pipeline hypotheses do not stand up to the realities of how energy is transported through
the Middle East in the 21st century
3. No Qatari offer to Damascus
The pipeline narrative, from 2013 onwards, also makes much mention of Damascus rebuffing
an alleged Qatari offer in 2009 to build a pipeline. This part of the story hinges around
statements by unnamed diplomats in a 2013 Agence France-Presse article about a meeting
between Russia's President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Arabia's Bandar bin Sultan.
Qatar's then-Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani (R) and First Lady Sheikha Mozah
bint Nasser al-Misned (L) welcome Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his wife Asma at
Doha airport in January 2010 (AFP)
The report says: "In 2009, Assad refused to sign an agreement with Qatar for an overland
pipeline running from the Gulf to Europe via Syria to protect the interests of its Russian
ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."
But Dargin says:
"There are no credible sources that show that Qatar even approached
Syria in 2009 and was rebuffed in the process. I am not saying it definitely did not occur,
rather there is no evidence supporting this claim."
Syrian experts also support Dargin's rebuttal, highlighting the burgeoning economic and
political ties between Doha and Damascus.
'An important aspect that we don't talk about is the Syrian government never said the
Qataris were fighting for a pipeline'
- Jihad Yazigi, Syria Report
Yassin-Kassab says: "The absurdity is that relations between the Assad regime and the
Qataris were excellent until summer 2011. Assad and his wife and the Qatari royal couple
were also being portrayed as personal friends."
Although Assad may have repeatedly criticized Qatar since late 2011 onwards for
supporting "terrorists," he has never publicly stated that Qatari support for the rebels
was over a future pipeline.
Jihad Yazigi, editor of economy website Syria Report, says: "An important aspect that we
don't talk about is the Syrian government never said the Qataris were fighting for a
pipeline; that is telling in itself, that Assad never mentioned it."
4. The Moscow-Tehran connection
Then there's the other part of the Pipelineistan puzzle – the Iran-Syria pipeline,
also known as the Islamic Pipeline.
Yazigi explains: "The Islamic pipeline has been talked about for years. There were
pre-contract memorandums of understanding, but
until July 2011, there was no formal
signing [between Syria and Iran]. You can't argue this is a serious reason to destroy the
whole country.
"
While the project was politically expedient, it ignored economic and energy realities.
First, the project was estimated to cost $10 billion, but it was unclear who would foot the
bill, particularly as Tehran was – and still is – under US and international
sanctions, as is Syria, since 2011.
Second,
Iran lacks the capabilities to export significant amounts of gas.
Sanctions mean it cannot access the advanced US technology that would allow it to exploit
gas from the South Pars field that borders Qatar.
@71 James, there are many small contractors involved in Nordstream in several countries. The
sanctions are designed to squeeze them out and make Nordstream impossible.
It's not unlike the strategy being used against NK. They are designed to make life even
more difficult for ordinary people....perhaps drive them into China and cause China to attack
NK.
"Not me! Term limits mean nothing more than the elimination of the ability of the voters
to assess candidates based on legislative track records. The result is that every two years
the voters will have to choose representatives with no past history of legislation.
Disaster."
Gag me with a spoon. This argument is so old and so worn thin. Statistically 95+% of these
fools are reelected because the highly cerebral voters you refer to have elevators that
almost never go to the top of the building.
Money, money money. That's what drives the engine of elections. Incumbents have it working
for them in so many ways: PACs, corporate centers of influence; radio and teevee.
All of the alternatives you propose are red herrings. They are only workable in heaven,
not here on Terra Firma.
Remember, all of that institutional memory brought about by all of the 'experienced'
members of congress got us where we are today. And, it's gotten them a 10% approval
rating.
Something to consider when dealing with the Revolutionary time period is what part of the
populous is considered "The People," as in "We The People"? And just how equal in reality
were those people in 1776 when the phrase "All men are created equal" appeared?
This is of great importance when we look at the proportion of the populous that was
allowed to have a stake in the process and compare that with the amount of time it took until
a majority was finally deemed to have equal rights under the law--1920 within USA
Although it can be argued that full equality under the law is still lacking as Glenn
Greenwald did to great affect in
With Liberty and Justice for Some: How the Law Is Used to
Destroy Equality
. Two works providing info on this issue are
The Right to Vote: The
Contested History of Democracy in the United States
and
People of Paradox: An Inquiry
Concerning the Origins of American Civilization
, although there are many others.
Is the United States federal government reformable? IMO, as currently constituted, no. A
new document and associated institutions needs to be written and built, although some current
institutions will have a place within the new construct.
Yes, I did write a Constitution 3.0 using Madisonian principles not long after the fiasco
of the 2000 election to use as a classroom discussion tool. But to have any chance at making
that reality, the Rule of Law must be reinstated within the Outlaw US Empire in order to
bring the Deep State to Justice and thus its destruction.
One jewish journalist (link was posted here few days ago) nicely pointed out these sanctions
are the stupidest thing US could have possibly done. Not only it forges even closer
Russia-China-Iran alliance, it also alienates the closest and strongest ally US have - the
EU.
@18 - or the opposite. If Trump really is isolationists and if he wants USA isolate itself
on the two Americas, then he has two options: make America turn its back on the world, or
make the world turn its back on America. The first option he failed, DC regime is stronger
than POUTS. Then - the second option.
Not only it forges even closer Russia-China-Iran alliance, it also alienates the closest
and strongest ally US have - the EU.
Posted by: Arioch | Aug 7, 2017 1:30:51 PM | 96
What's wrong about that statement is that the EU nations are not US Allied states - they
are US vassal states. A bit of a difference between those two: "allied state" and "vassal state"
New U.S. sanctions will make it harder for Russia to build two gas export pipelines to Europe
but the projects are unlikely to be stopped.
U.S. President Donald Trump has reluctantly signed into law further sanctions on Russia but some
of the measures are discretionary and most White House watchers believe he will not take action against
Russia's energy infrastructure.
This would allow Gazprom's two big pipeline projects to go ahead, although at a higher price and
with some delays.
... ... ...
Gazprom warned investors last month that the sanctions "may result in delays, or otherwise impair
or prevent the completion of the projects by the group."
With all that in mind, the Russian gas giant is taking steps to reduce the impact of sanctions.
It has accelerated pipe-laying by Swiss contractor Allseas Group under the Black Sea for TurkStream
- even though there is no final agreement on where the pipeline will make landfall in Turkey. It
is also hurriedly building a second TurkStream line to export gas to Europe.
"The construction of the second line is underway just in case the sanctions hit," a senior Gazprom
source told Reuters.
A spokesman for Allseas said 100 km of the 900-km first line have been built since June 23 and preparatory
work is underway for the second line.
THE UKRAINIAN CONNECTION
The biggest cost of any delays to the new lines could come from increased transit fees paid to
Ukraine, the route by which Russian gas has traditionally reached Europe. Nord Stream 2 and TurkStream
bypass Ukraine, but if they are brought into use late, Gazprom will have to continue using the Ukrainian
route and may have to pay more for the privilege.
The European Union, fearing sanctions will hurt oil and gas projects on which it depends, said
it was ready to retaliate unless it obtained U.S. guarantees that European firms would not be targeted.
Five Western firms that have invested in Nord Stream 2 - Wintershall (BASFn.DE) and Uniper (UN01.DE)
of Germany, Austria's OMV (OMVV.VI), Anglo-Dutch Shell (RDSa.L), and France's Engie (ENGIE.PA) -
say it is too early to judge the impact of sanctions.
For now, they are standing by their pledge of up to 950 million euros ($1.13 billion) each to
finance the 1,225 km (760 mile) Nord Stream 2.
... ... ...
RISK PREMIUM
The sanctions law is however expected to hamper Gazprom's efforts to raise money. "The price of
any project automatically increases," said Tatiana Mitrova, director of the Skolkovo Energy Center.
Don't know whether you've have seen this article and the navettes of various
Iraqi Shi'a authorities to Riyadh, in particular Muqtada's visit this week:
When Sadr arrived in Jeddah, an anonymous Twitter user known as Mujtahid -- noted for his regular leaking of alleged developments within the secretive
House of Saud -- tweeted that the warm welcoming of Sadr "and prior to him al-Araji,
offering thousands of [hajj] visas to PMU [Popular Mobilization Units], celebrating
the [liberation] of Mosul, are all attempts to get closer to Iran so that they
can convince the Houthis to have mercy on bin Salman." Thamer al-Sabhan in a
July 31 tweet attacked "[Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini's version of Shiism" and
praised what Sabhan called "genuine Shiism." Less than 24 hours later, however,
that tweet was removed. It is still unclear whether Sadr is really attempting
to mediate between Tehran and Riyadh. However, a senior Iranian official who
spoke to Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity expressed doubt that such an endeavor
would succeed in ending the rivalry between the two regional powers.
Don't know whether you've have seen this article and the navettes of
various Iraqi Shi'a authorities to Riyadh, in particular Muqtada's visit
this week:
When Sadr arrived in Jeddah, an anonymous Twitter user known as Mujtahid -- noted for his regular leaking of alleged developments within the secretive
House of Saud -- tweeted that the warm welcoming of Sadr "and prior to him
al-Araji, offering thousands of [hajj] visas to PMU [Popular Mobilization
Units], celebrating the [liberation] of Mosul, are all attempts to get closer
to Iran so that they can convince the Houthis to have mercy on bin Salman."
Thamer al-Sabhan in a July 31 tweet attacked "[Ayatollah Ruhollah] Khomeini's
version of Shiism" and praised what Sabhan called "genuine Shiism." Less
than 24 hours later, however, that tweet was removed. It is still unclear
whether Sadr is really attempting to mediate between Tehran and Riyadh.
However, a senior Iranian official who spoke to Al-Monitor on condition
of anonymity expressed doubt that such an endeavor would succeed in ending
the rivalry between the two regional powers.
"... The sanctions bill has been promoted as one that appropriately penalizes Russia for its international misbehavior. The always-cited examples being the invasion of Georgia in 2008 and the (alleged) invasion of Ukraine in 2014. (As though these in any way rival in their impact and ramifications of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, based on lies, in 2003, or the U.S./NATO-led assault on Libya sold in the UN Security Council as a "humanitarian" intervention supported by Russia, that turned out to be a grotesque regime change operation culminating with Hillary Clinton's public orgasm following Muammar Gadaffi's sodomy-murder. "We came, we saw, he died!") ..."
"... Russia is always depicted in the corporate media as an "adversary." It acts, we are told ad nauseam, against U.S. "interests" around the world. Its involvement in Syria is (to support the survival of the secular modern Syrian state against the most savage opponents imaginable) is somehow objectionable (whereas U.S. bombing of Syria, condemned by Damascus as a violation of Syrian sovereignty and clearly in violation of international law, is treated as a matter of course). Its role in the bombing of Aleppo, resulting in the reconquest of the city from al-Nusra and its allies, was depicted by the U.S. media as a bad thing. Meanwhile U.S. bombing of Mosul, to retake that city from ISIL, is treated as heroic, however many thousands perish in "collateral damage." Anyway CNN won't cover it and has fewer reporters on the ground there than RT does. ..."
"... Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev matter-of-factly tweeted: "The Trump administration has shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way." But where will this power lead? ..."
But U.S. policy now, under the Trump administration, is to promote U.S. energy exports to Europe
to replace Russian ones. It is both old-fashioned Cold War Russophobia and old-fashioned inter-capitalist,
inter-imperialist contention.
The sanctions bill has been promoted as one that appropriately penalizes Russia for its international
misbehavior. The always-cited examples being the invasion of Georgia in 2008 and the (alleged) invasion
of Ukraine in 2014. (As though these in any way rival in their impact and ramifications of the U.S.
invasion of Iraq, based on lies, in 2003, or the U.S./NATO-led assault on Libya sold in the UN Security
Council as a "humanitarian" intervention supported by Russia, that turned out to be a grotesque regime
change operation culminating with Hillary Clinton's public orgasm following Muammar Gadaffi's sodomy-murder.
"We came, we saw, he died!")
Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi: We came, we saw, he died
Russia is always depicted in the corporate media as an "adversary." It acts, we are told ad nauseam,
against U.S. "interests" around the world. Its involvement in Syria is (to support the survival of
the secular modern Syrian state against the most savage opponents imaginable) is somehow objectionable
(whereas U.S. bombing of Syria, condemned by Damascus as a violation of Syrian sovereignty and clearly
in violation of international law, is treated as a matter of course). Its role in the bombing of
Aleppo, resulting in the reconquest of the city from al-Nusra and its allies, was depicted by the
U.S. media as a bad thing. Meanwhile U.S. bombing of Mosul, to retake that city from ISIL, is treated
as heroic, however many thousands perish in "collateral damage." Anyway CNN won't cover it and has
fewer reporters on the ground there than RT does.
Russia is depicted as "provocative" when it mobilizes military forces within its own territory
(and Belarus), in response to massive NATO exercises involving 31,000 troops in Poland last June
that the German foreign minister criticized as "warmongering."
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev matter-of-factly tweeted: "The Trump administration has
shown its total weakness by handing over executive power to Congress in the most humiliating way."
But where will this power lead?
The concept, as articulated by Sen. John McCain and Sen. John Hoeven in a 2014 Wall Street Journal
op-ed, is to "liberate our allies from Russia's stranglehold on the European natural-gas market."
But as the Washington Post has observed, "The problem is that Europeans don't necessarily want to
be liberated. Russian gas is much cheaper than American LNG, and could become even cheaper to undercut
the United States if it entered the European market. American LNG suppliers prioritize their own
profits over America's strategic advantage anyway, and are likely to want to target more lucrative
markets than Europe, such as Japan. Finally, the Russian gas supply is likely to be more reliable
than the United States', since it involves predictable long-term contracts, whereas U.S. production
capacity rises and falls, as it becomes cheaper and more expensive to extract American unconventional
hydrocarbons."
The McCain-Hoeven piece was of course written before there was any talk about Russian "election
meddling." But that issue was used to justify the sanctions bill. That, plus miscellaneous Russian
actions, basically in response to U.S. actions (as in Ukraine, where!as everyone should know!Hillary
Clinton's crony Victoria Newland helped organize a putsch in February 2014, designed to pull Ukraine
into NATO, although that effort has failed and anyway lacks German support).
The U.S. at this point (under Trump) is taking actions towards Russia that recall those of the
Truman administration. The warm, fuzzy (and miserable, abjectly weak) Russia of the 1990s under Yeltsin
is now a reviving world power within an emerging Eurasian trade system. The relationship between
Russia and China will stay strong even if the U.S. takes measures to sabotage trade relations between
Russia and Europe.
Meanwhile, the sanctions law has produced general European outrage. This is not the anti-Trump
outrage that accompanied his withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. It is outrage at the U.S. legislature
for its arrogance in demanding Europe shoot itself in the foot, to show Washington deference. In
other words, the entirety of the divided, troubled U.S. polity is seen as a problem. This is as a
new Pew Research Center report showing that only 49% of the world's people now hold a positive view
of the U.S.
German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern have publicly condemned
the law, which could prevent them from benefiting from the planned Nord Stream 2 pipeline, declaring:
"we cannot agree with threats of illegal extraterritorial sanctions against European companies which
take part in the development of European energy supply." Brigitte Zypries, head of Germany's Ministry
for Economic Affairs and Energy, says the new sanctions are "against international law, plain and
simple Americans cannot punish German companies because they [do business] in another country." The
foreign ministers of Germany, France, Austria, Italy and Spain have protested. Jean-Claude Juncker,
president of the European Commission, said the bill could have "unintended unilateral effects" on
the EU's energy security, adding, "America first cannot mean that Europe's interests come last."
This is not just a provocation of Russia, but of the whole world. It's leveled by a bipartisan
effort, and general (although insane) consensus that Russia is trying to revive the Soviet empire,
is constantly interfering in foreign countries' elections, and represents an "existential" threat
to the U.S. and its freedoms, etc. (Because!reputable media talking heads opine routinely!Putin hates
freedom and wants to oppose it, by electoral interference in Germany, France, Italy, etc.)
U.S. politicians!many of whom who do not believe in global warming or evolution, and cannot find
Syria or Ukraine on the map!have boldly gone where no one has gone before: to risk a trade war with
traditional allies, to force them to more firmly embrace the principle of U.S. hegemony. This when
the U.S. GDP has dropped below that of the EU, and U.S. clout and credibility in the world!in large
part due to global revulsion at the results of U.S. regime-change wars!is at low ebb.
Medvedev predicts that "relations between Russia and the United States are going to be extremely
tense regardless of Congress' makeup and regardless of who is president. Lengthy arguments in international
bodies and courts are ahead, as well as rising international tensions and refusal to settle major
international issues." No bromance here.
Meanwhile Sen. Lindsey Graham!an extreme reactionary and warmonger now lionized my the mainstream
media as some sort of "moderate" and adult in the room!informs NBC's Today Show that reports that
"there is no military option" on North Korea are "just false."
"There is a military option: to destroy North Korea's nuclear program and North Korea itself.
He's not going to allow -- President Trump -- the ability of this madman [Kim Jong Un] to have a missile
that could hit America. If there's going to be a war to stop him, it will be over there. If thousands
die, they're going to die over there. They're not going to die over here -- and he's told me that
to my face."
"... Of course they are; and it's so bloody transparent that nobody is fooled. Please check the link below: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/eu-ready-retaliate-if-us-imposes-new-russia-sanctions/ri20467 ..."
"... The U.S. is waging full scale war against Russia; economic sanctions are war and Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for almost identical sanctions on oil and energy imports. Vladimir Putin is the Cool Hand Luke of Russia; let hope the outcome is not like the movie. The E.U. seems to have had a recent spinal transplant; let's just see how it plays out ..."
"... The Western, eastern stuff is irrelevant. Russia isn't the aggressor in the situation. Putin will enjoy a population much more willing to stand against U.S. aggression which is largely dependent on an ignorant U.S. population. ..."
"... Merkel will be under pressure as these sanctions are simply a tax on EU citizens and corporations to support American corporate profits without providing better products. Given the EU political structure and the lack of a "cool" President, I suspect the next Congressional delegation will be shocked to find they aren't well received. ..."
"... I personally doubt that the Blob/US financial interests are 'jealous' of them -- they just think that Russia, like other countries, should kowtow to them, and allow them to buy whatever part of the Russian society and economy and land they like. ..."
"... I had thought of it the other way around: that the insistence on unprofitable fracking was to support America as a world power. Got to have some way to bribe Europe away from the Russians. Is there actually enough gas to do that? I know there's quite a bit. ..."
The U.S. is waging full scale war against Russia; economic sanctions are war and Japan
attacked Pearl Harbour for almost identical sanctions on oil and energy imports. Vladimir Putin
is the Cool Hand Luke of Russia; let hope the outcome is not like the movie. The E.U. seems to
have had a recent spinal transplant; let's just see how it plays out
I dare say, Russia is more self sufficient than the U.S. and almost every other country on
the planet. Do the research; it's very enlightening.
The U.S. is a very jealous hegemon and can't bear this reality
Have you ever thought to question your comparitive references? Most views of Russia are western-centric
in the extreme. Russia is not western or European in any sense of that reality; Russia is a very
different culture/s and sees things drastically different than the western-centric POV. Just sayin
The Western, eastern stuff is irrelevant. Russia isn't the aggressor in the situation.
Putin will enjoy a population much more willing to stand against U.S. aggression which is largely
dependent on an ignorant U.S. population.
Merkel will be under pressure as these sanctions are simply a tax on EU citizens and corporations
to support American corporate profits without providing better products. Given the EU political
structure and the lack of a "cool" President, I suspect the next Congressional delegation will
be shocked to find they aren't well received.
I'm confused. Who was it who brought up "Russia is more self-sufficient than the US
and almost every other country on the planet? That implies that you feel self-sufficiency (with
respect to certain metrics) is something that one should value. Let's say other people do not
share that meta value: does that then mean they are wrong?
I personally doubt that the Blob/US financial interests are 'jealous' of them -- they just
think that Russia, like other countries, should kowtow to them, and allow them to buy whatever
part of the Russian society and economy and land they like.
I had thought of it the other way around: that the insistence on unprofitable fracking
was to support America as a world power. Got to have some way to bribe Europe away from the Russians.
Is there actually enough gas to do that? I know there's quite a bit.
It's looking like quite the little diplomatic spat between the EU and Capitol Hill.
Here's the Russian envoy to the EU on talks to ban funding by EU banks for US business, if
the US law is declared invalid in the EU : http://tass.com/politics/957927
Note the bill bans not just business with Russians in Europe, but also Eurasia.
OBOR is clearly a target too.
So are the Chinese going to pipe up?
For this is nothing less than gloves – off imperialism .
Anyone know if it's possible the German's will act w/o the EU? In other words, unilaterally?
I'm asking because the article says EU may not be the "required" unanimous in responding to
the U.S. sanctions & LNG so there may not be an official EU retaliation (though it seems there
was much stronger opposition to the EU imposing Russian sanctions in 2014 in the first place but
supposedly that was a "unanimous" decision).
Will Germany be a total puppet to the U.S.? Or might it start to move towards Russia which
seems to be in Germany's business interest?
Germany wants to ensure stable gas supply for as long as possible. A pipeline thas goes through
the sea and does not depend on third countries that migth disconnect the pipeline (like Ukrania)
allows for a durable contract. So the US is not only intefering with russian interests but with
german ones. I don't think Germany considers US shale LNG supply a robust enough alternative competitive
in price and duration with russian gas. My guess is that in this case, Germany won't be a total
puppet.
Anti Schmoo put it very well "The E.U. seems to have had a recent spinal transplant"
EU has been following every global US initiative enthusiastically even though it only hurts
Europeans: wars and invasions, TTIP, TiSA, CETA etc.
On top of being emasculated and spineless with regards to national and continental interests
the current leaders of EU are neoliberals so they don't care about a new 'market solution' for
gas. Will subsidize the higher prices for companies while the citizens pay the price.
:) q.v. Frank Herbert's very old novel The Dragon in the Sea (aka Under Pressure
.) Being by Frank Herbert, it's about psychology, but it's also about petroleum pirating by submarine.
Yeah, I guess the price per barrel must have been pretty high.
The pipelines that go under the sea have lower capacities. They work to reduce the impact of
ukrainians et al blackmailing gas supplies. They do not eliminate the need to route gas overland.
He's an opportunitist and may advocate something one day and oppose it the next day.
He is absolutely not trustworthy. A total pushover.
And I wouldn't expect much from the rest of the german government, too.
The german media could pick it up and put pressure on politicians.
But due to the pathetic state the germain mainstream media are in (with exceptions),
I expect they'll just stop bringing up this issue and let people forget about it.
Maybe other european countries will be more resistant, maybe
Plus Japan -- a big LNG importer historically as it has no conventional energy sources of its
own -- is going to lessen its LNG demand as the
nuclear restart gathers pace. Whatever you might think of the safety aspects, Japan has 50+gW
of embedded nuclear generating capacity with a residual economic life of 20+ years on average.
It is simply inconceivable that this plant, much of which, unlike Fukushima which was end-of-life,
is mid-life and has decades of viable reactor runtimes available, will be mothballed and decommissioned
without generating another kW of power ever again.
The LNG glut will only continue and probably get noticeably worse once all, or at least the
vast majority, of Japanese reactors are brought back on line, which will be 5 years from now at
the outer limit. Cutting off Russian gas into Europe (and the rest of the world) will be a big
plus for the US. LNG liquefaction plant is a massive capital outlay, has big fixed costs
and is highly operationally geared, so even small reductions below peak output have a big hit
on plant profitability. It is those "wheels" the US plant operators will want to keep turning.
Conversely, the regasification plants (based in EU countries) don't need to operate flat out,
they're designed to have peaks and troughs as LNG consignments come in and get processed, then
sit around for a bit waiting for the next one. Which, again, is why the US is bothered about restricting
Russian supply, the EU not so much.
there is no surplus US LNG to be forced on Europe, it's a myth we are still importing more
natural gas from Canada than we are exporting to Mexico and liquifying for export moreover, our
own natural gas production has been falling year over year for 15 months straight i wrote about
exactly this situation two weeks ago:
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/great-us-natural-gas-exports-myth-6112
all the data is included. you can repost it if you want.
we are contracting to sell US natural gas at below the cost of US production, and it's gonna come
back and bite US natgas users big time when a shortage develops here..
IS natgas users would be anyone who uses American electricity, right? Another 'regressive'
tax on the way. Really, this is not New Cold War oriented, but Class War materiel.
Time for work.
there's been a gradual shift back to coal for generating over the past half year or so whether
that's because of price or because the utilities see what's coming i couldn't tell you..
maybe i'm projecting too much, but i see us heading down the same path that Australia took
How energy-rich Australia exported its way into an energy crisis - Australia exported 62%
of its gas production last year, according to the BP Statistical Review of World Energy. Yet its
policy makers didn't ensure enough gas would remain at home. As exports increased from new LNG
facilities in eastern Australia, some state governments let aging coal plants close and accelerated
a push toward renewable energy for environmental concerns. That left the regions more reliant
on gas for power, especially when intermittent sources such as wind and solar weren't sufficient.
Shortages drove domestic gas prices earlier this year in some markets in eastern
Australia
to as high as $17 per million British thermal units for smaller gas users such as manufacturers.
On the spot market, gas prices have gone from below $1 in 2014 to roughly $7 today .. In
March, Australia's largest aluminum smelter cut production and laid off workers because it said
it couldn't secure enough cheap energy.
the problem is that we are are contracting to export natural gas at today's low prices, which
wont pay for tomorrow's production..
The U.S. much like Team Blue hid behind our "cool" President and 9/11 for so long, no one knows
how to act. This is a trade war where we picked a fight with our most loyal vassals on behalf
of one industry which needs to be replaced anyway. Do you remember Hollande? He joined with Obama
against "OMG Russia." Macron's honey moon is over.
Due to resignations early in the Trump administration, and refusal of the Senate to approve
new FERC nominees, the FERC, whose approval is needed for building interstate energy transport
infrastructure, now lacks a quorum (having only 1 of the minimum 3 members out of 5 total). A
number of pipeline projects originating in marcellus were approved around end of 2016 prior to
the resignations, and are due to come on line in 2018, but many dozens more are now awaiting permitting -- both for domestic use and to transport to LNG export, as the piece above states.
The other interesting thing is that in the past, the explicit strategy of the US was to use
domestic natgas domestically, but no longer, it seems.
Pipelines would raise prices at the wellhead and lower prices elsewhere in the country. If
the lack of approval goes on for a few more years, it may have an impact on: the battle between
natgas and wind for the medium-term dominance of newly added utility scale electric generation
in the US, and the timing of how fast we can retire coal electric.
Lastly, besides Russia, Qatar is also a major natgas exporter to Europe, so they'll get their
gas either way, they'll just pay more. A points of reference there -- I belive Germany is currently
using coal as its main domestic baseload electric fuel – as prices were relatively high until
recently, they're using NG for home heating only. Now everyone needs to retire coal for obvious
reasons.
Jamming up FERC shouldn't be underestimated. They've got a huge amount of discretionary authority
to blast through state and local laws and regulations at will. It's amazing how the oil/gas industry
gets 1-stop shopping for all it's regulatory requirements.
It's sickening to see how much power the Petroleum companies have over Congress. Bribes work
well in our country. We need a wholesale re-haul of CON gress.
Regarding possible EU development of a spine, a recent George Webb video from just about 3
days ago said he's been told by some of his IC sources that Germany has been printing DMs on the
quiet. I take this with a pinch of salt but it's intriguing nonetheless. If true, Germany must
also be looking at the IT issue as well.
EU is still threatening to cancel Poland voting rights for 1 year, even after the President
vetoed the legislation regarding judiciary reform (which was to my understanding the main bone,
albeit the country is keen on going full Adolph). Maybe it has something to do with this?
thanks for this article, it's really a remarkable powerplay. the stakes are so high that it's
unfathomable that it doesn't backfire spectacularly. this looks like an exercise in hubris that
future historians will be long discussing.
more than forcing the EU to use american LNG, it is an attempt to force the EU to back american
efforts to replace assad in syria. remember, syria is what stands in the way between bahraini/saudi
gas and oil pipelines to europe.
the US is already at war against russia, they just haven't yet started shooting at each other.
but also, any chinese silk road to europe will have to use russian assets and infrastructure,
so this, potentially, affects them, too.
All stupidity with the Russia hysteria aside this may be all the faster at forcing a move to
renewables in the US. NG is the bounciest of all carbon based fuels WRT price. Once they start
pumping US NG into more foreign markets the price will climb, which will squeeze utilities that
have moved en mass into NG based generation and prove that renewables are even more cost effective.
Petty politics may end up having a silver lining 5 years down the road, and at this point I am
open to any route to renewables, even the sloppiest, unintentional ones.
Sure, but the ball is in another (higher) cup as the cost graphs go. I suspect it is going
to get increasingly difficult to transition back and forth with the lowering costs of renewables.
Also, coal is not getting any cheaper to extract and it definitely hasn't reduced its externalities.
We'll see, big utilities move in herds and it takes years to make a full transition. They may
flood back to coal, and build new plants (I doubt it), but they will eventually get burnt and
have to swing back again. In the absence of purposeful national level policy (what I prefer) this
is the only way the market based approach will turn away from fossil fuels.
"Instruments of political sanctions should not be connected with economic interests"?
This echoes the rationalizations of Wall Street when they crashed the economy in '08. Let's
not let politics interfere with the right to make money?
The sanctions against Russia were put in place in response to its annexation of Crimea and
its support of insurrection in Eastern Ukraine. They have been extended, and expanded, in response
to Russian meddling in the recent presidential election. To what extent their cyber warfare had
an effect is debatable, but Trump's stonewalling on the issue practically guaranteed the lopsided
vote on the latest sanctions.
The LNG issue has some valid points, but it ignores an issue which I have not seen addressed
on Naked Capitalism: Just how much is Trump- and those in his administration (infested with alumni
of the vampire squid)- beholden to Putin and his fellow oligarchs?
Trump appears to be the Pied Piper of Putin Patsies. I can't help but wonder why.
Crimea was not "annexed". The US destabilized Ukraine. The government in Kiev came in as a
result of a coup even thought elections were scheduled for a mere six weeks later and Yanukovich
would clearly have been voted out. The new government tore up the current constitution and went
through no legal process whatsoever to do that. That is not the behavior of a legitimate government.
Even though neo-Nazis are a very small percentage of the voters, they got 15% of government
positions. The head of the defense department gave a speech in which he encouraged ethnic cleansing
of Ukrainians of Russian origin, saying that any soldiers who removed them could keep their property.
Crimea petitioned to join Russia after a referendum that approved of that move by a large margin.
The US used precisely the same mechanism with Kosovo. Are you about to call that an annexation?
We have repeatedly discussed how the idea that Russia has influence over Trump is nonsense.
Did you suggest it at the time? The newsflow is a gusher right now. It's simply not possible
to give notice to everything. So do feel free to stifle your amazement.
Adding, it is a very good story (although I'm not a Russia hand). So readers may enjoy it even
at this late date which was, I take it, the real point of your comment.
Plus the assertion of Russian "meddling" in the 2016 election was never proven–it was only
asserted and repeated ad nauseum. Recent investigations have shown that in fact the DNC and Podesta
emails were insider leaks, they were not outsider hacks. The technical analysis showed evidence
that Russian "footprints" had been specifically inserted to cause Russia to be blamed.
In contrast the US has a well-established track record of meddling in other countries elections
and setting up regime change in various ways. Ukraine is one example, as Yves described. There
are many others, think of the US-sponsored coups in Latin America. They seem to be trying to pull
off another coup in Venezuela since their 2002 attempt didn't work out. And Obama didn't hesitate
to publicly endorse Macron just a couple days before the French election.
"the latest US sanctions against Russia, which passed the House today by a 419-3 margin ".
and
"Republicans and Democrats agreed almost unanimously, by 97 votes to 2 , to impose new sanctions
on Russia in the Senate on Wednesday"
I have been a member of many organizations, and do not recall seeing this kind of "unanimity"
when voting on significant and controversial resolutions. Clearly, a majority of US Americans
want peace, particularly with Russia (a Christian democracy). How and why did the People's Representatives/Senators
find the "courage" to vote against the People's wishes??? Hmmmmmmmm?
To put the vote into a context, 77 years ago; on
" ..July 14–15, 1940 – Rigged elections held in Latvia and the other Baltic states. Only one
pre-approved list of candidates was allowed for elections for the "People's Parliament". The ballots
held following instructions: "Only the list of the Latvian Working People's Bloc must be deposited
in the ballot box. The ballot must be deposited without any changes." The alleged voter activity
index was 97.6% . Most notably, the complete election results were published in Moscow 12 hours
before the election closed. Soviet electoral documents found later substantiated that the results
were completely fabricated. Tribunals were set up to punish "traitors to the people." those who
had fallen short of the "political duty" of voting Latvia into the USSR. Those who failed to have
their passports stamped for so voting were allowed to be shot in the back of the head.
July 21, 1940 – The fraudulently installed Saeima meets for the first time. It has only one
piece of business!a petition to join the Soviet Union. (The consideration of such an action was
denied throughout the election.) The petition carried unanimously. .."
Read Petrodollar Warfare and The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony for a start and a lot of
this will become more clear. The Iraq war, the U.S. instigated coup in Ukraine, U.S. backed attempt
at regime change in Syria and the demonization of Russia all concern oil supplies and who will
be allowed to supply what to whom, and more importantly in what currency such sales will be denominated.
All of this stuff is about trying to maintain the dollar's reserve currency status. Isn't this
becoming clear by now. Americans are still trying to understand why they invaded Iraq. Was it
WMDs, Al Qaeda, to bring freedom and democracy to the towel heads? Hussein decided in 2000 that
Iraqi oil sales would be denominated in Euros, three years later he was conveniently dead.
While I agree that the US has hegemonic aspirations, the petrodollar thesis is all wet.
Since the 1600s at least, countries have pursued mercantilist policies. That means first of
all that they like running trade surpluses. That allows them to have more jobs than their own
economies would support, keeping their citizens happy. They can also be net savers without having
a drag on the domestic economy.
But who will be the chump that exports jobs and has crappy growth to accommodate the mercantlists?
The US has signed up for that role, in large measure because the US cares more about the 1%, the
0.1%, and the interest of US multinationals than its citizens.
As long as everyone else wants to run trade surpluses and we are the only big player willing
to run sustained trade deficits, the dollar will remain the reserve currency. China has absolutely
zero interest in running trade deficits despite pining after the cachet of having the reserve
currency. The Eurozone maybe could have been a contender, but not with Germany being fiercely
mercantlist and Germany's insistence on not rebalancing within the Eurozone creating perceived
breakup risk.
@Yves
In order to answer your question to German language readers in the article.
There are several differences this time compared to previous instances of perhaps controversial
US-policy in Europe.
First of all the official positions of the German and Austrian government as well as the EU-Commission
are in harsh opposition to the bill while previously only opposition politicians or fringe business
interests voiced negative opinions.
Secondly the issue has been spread around in the relevant German business press a great deal,
yesterday alone about a dozen news agency reports were published, all with pretty much the same
tone and content. It has also been picked up by the op-ed pages in the papers today. This is in
stark contrast to previous instances like a leader from Die Linke blaming the refugee crisis on
US wars in 2015, Nato expansion to the east and troop build up in the Baltic or the planned upgrade
of US nuclear weapons stationed in Germany. All three topics are out of mainstream discussion
and anyone bringing up a negative opinion, like the mentioned politician from Die Linke, is ridiculed.
Thirdly while the EU needs the approval of all members to establish sanctions it could do a great
deal to prosecute a trade war via executive decisions by the EU-Commission alone. While there
has been no official indication how the threatened retaliation is going to look like several simple
measures come to mind. For instance the EU could suspend the EU-US privacy shield agreement thereby
increasing the cost of doing business in the EU for US companies by a significant amount, it would
also be likely that cartell/market dominance investigations might result in harsher fines for
US companies and more restricted mergers, something which has been brought up by EU officials
sometime ago is to require all foreign or only US banking and maybe other financial institutions
to be seperate concerns with full capitalisation and no dependencies on the US-holdings.
To summarise: it looks like a significant amount of the German "business community" is not
amused and views the bill as a direct attack on its interests and tries to use their influence
with the goverment against it. This raises the likelihood of something more than mere talk to
above 0%. In any case the image of the US has taken another hit, this time with a group of people
with mostly very positive opinions about close US-German relations.
thanks for this article, it's really a remarkable powerplay. the stakes are so high that it's
unfathomable that it doesn't backfire spectacularly. this looks like an exercise in hubris that
future historians will be long discussing.
more than forcing the EU to use american LNG, it is an attempt to force the EU to back american
efforts to replace assad in syria. remember, syria is what stands in the way between bahraini/saudi
gas and oil pipelines to europe.
the US is already at war against russia, they just haven't yet started shooting at each other.
but also, any chinese silk road to europe will have to use russian assets and infrastructure,
so this, potentially, affects them, too.
All stupidity with the Russia hysteria aside this may be all the faster at forcing a move to
renewables in the US. NG is the bounciest of all carbon based fuels WRT price. Once they start
pumping US NG into more foreign markets the price will climb, which will squeeze utilities that
have moved en mass into NG based generation and prove that renewables are even more cost effective.
Petty politics may end up having a silver lining 5 years down the road, and at this point I am
open to any route to renewables, even the sloppiest, unintentional ones.
Sure, but the ball is in another (higher) cup as the cost graphs go. I suspect it is going
to get increasingly difficult to transition back and forth with the lowering costs of renewables.
Also, coal is not getting any cheaper to extract and it definitely hasn't reduced its externalities.
We'll see, big utilities move in herds and it takes years to make a full transition. They may
flood back to coal, and build new plants (I doubt it), but they will eventually get burnt and
have to swing back again. In the absence of purposeful national level policy (what I prefer) this
is the only way the market based approach will turn away from fossil fuels.
"Instruments of political sanctions should not be connected with economic interests"?
This echoes the rationalizations of Wall Street when they crashed the economy in '08. Let's
not let politics interfere with the right to make money?
The sanctions against Russia were put in place in response to its annexation of Crimea and
its support of insurrection in Eastern Ukraine. They have been extended, and expanded, in response
to Russian meddling in the recent presidential election. To what extent their cyber warfare had
an effect is debatable, but Trump's stonewalling on the issue practically guaranteed the lopsided
vote on the latest sanctions.
The LNG issue has some valid points, but it ignores an issue which I have not seen addressed
on Naked Capitalism: Just how much is Trump- and those in his administration (infested with alumni
of the vampire squid)- beholden to Putin and his fellow oligarchs?
Trump appears to be the Pied Piper of Putin Patsies. I can't help but wonder why.
Crimea was not "annexed". The US destabilized Ukraine. The government in Kiev came in as a
result of a coup even thought elections were scheduled for a mere six weeks later and Yanukovich
would clearly have been voted out. The new government tore up the current constitution and went
through no legal process whatsoever to do that. That is not the behavior of a legitimate government.
Even though neo-Nazis are a very small percentage of the voters, they got 15% of government
positions. The head of the defense department gave a speech in which he encouraged ethnic cleansing
of Ukrainians of Russian origin, saying that any soldiers who removed them could keep their property.
Crimea petitioned to join Russia after a referendum that approved of that move by a large margin.
The US used precisely the same mechanism with Kosovo. Are you about to call that an annexation?
We have repeatedly discussed how the idea that Russia has influence over Trump is nonsense.
Do they know what they are doing? When the U.S. Congress adopts draconian sanctions aimed mainly
at disempowering President Trump and ruling out any move to improve relations with Russia, do they
realize that the measures amount to a declaration of economic war against their dear European "friends"?
Whether they know or not, they obviously don't care. U.S. politicians view the rest of the world
as America's hinterland, to be exploited, abused and ignored with impunity.
The Bill H.R. 3364 "Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act" was adopted on July
25 by all but three members of the House of Representatives. An earlier version was adopted by all
but two Senators. Final passage at veto-overturning proportions is a certainty.
This congressional temper tantrum flails in all directions. The main casualties are likely to
be America's dear beloved European allies, notably Germany and France. Who also sometimes happen
to be competitors, but such crass considerations don't matter in the sacred halls of the U.S. Congress,
totally devoted to upholding universal morality.
Economic "Soft Power" Hits Hard
Under U.S. sanctions, any EU nation doing business with Russia may find itself in deep trouble.
In particular, the latest bill targets companies involved in financing Nord Stream 2, a pipeline
designed to provide Germany with much needed natural gas from Russia.
By the way, just to help out, American companies will gladly sell their own fracked natural gas
to their German friends, at much higher prices.
That is only one way in which the bill would subject European banks and enterprises to crippling
restrictions, lawsuits and gigantic fines.
While the U.S. preaches "free competition", it constantly takes measures to prevent free competition
at the international level.
Following the July 2015 deal ensuring that Iran could not develop nuclear weapons, international
sanctions were lifted, but the United States retained its own previous ones. Since then, any foreign
bank or enterprise contemplating trade with Iran is apt to receive a letter from a New York group
calling itself "United Against Nuclear Iran" which warns that "there remain serious legal, political,
financial and reputational risks associated with doing business in Iran, particularly in sectors
of the Iranian economy such as oil and gas". The risks cited include billions of dollars of (U.S.)
fines, surveillance by "a myriad of regulatory agencies", personal danger, deficiency of insurance
coverage, cyber insecurity, loss of more lucrative business, harm to corporate reputation and a drop
in shareholder value.
The United States gets away with this gangster behavior because over the years it has developed
a vast, obscure legalistic maze, able to impose its will on the "free world" economy thanks to the
omnipresence of the dollar, unrivaled intelligence gathering and just plain intimidation.
European leaders reacted indignantly to the latest sanctions. The German foreign ministry said
it was "unacceptable for the United States to use possible sanctions as an instrument to serve the
interest of U.S. industry". The French foreign ministry denounced the "extraterritoriality" of the
U.S. legislation as unlawful, and announced that "To protect ourselves against the extraterritorial
effects of US legislation, we will have to work on adjusting our French and European laws".
In fact, bitter resentment of arrogant U.S. imposition of its own laws on others has been growing
in France, and was the object of a serious parliamentary report delivered to the French National
Assembly foreign affairs and finance committees last October 5, on the subject of "the extraterritoriality
of American legislation".
Extraterritoriality
The chairman of the commission of enquiry, long-time Paris representative Pierre Lellouche, summed
up the situation as follows:
"The facts are very simple. We are confronted with an extremely dense wall of American legislation
whose precise intention is to use the law to serve the purposes of the economic and political
imperium with the idea of gaining economic and strategic advantages. As always in the United States,
that imperium, that normative bulldozer operates in the name of the best intentions in the world
since the United States considers itself a 'benevolent power', that is a country that can only
do good."
Always in the name of "the fight against corruption" or "the fight against terrorism", the United
States righteously pursues anything legally called a "U.S. person", which under strange American
law can refer to any entity doing business in the land of the free, whether by having an American
subsidiary, or being listed on the New York stock exchange, or using a U.S.-based server, or even
by simply trading in dollars, which is something that no large international enterprise can avoid.
In 2014, France's leading bank, BNP-Paribas, agreed to pay a whopping fine of nearly nine billion
dollars, basically for having used dollar transfers in deals with countries under U.S. sanctions.
The transactions were perfectly legal under French law. But because they dealt in dollars, payments
transited by way of the United States, where diligent computer experts could find the needle in the
haystack. European banks are faced with the choice between prosecution, which entails all sorts of
restrictions and punishments before a verdict is reached, or else, counseled by expensive U.S. corporate
lawyers, and entering into the obscure "plea bargain" culture of the U.S. judicial system, unfamiliar
to Europeans. Just like the poor wretch accused of robbing a convenience store, the lawyers urge
the huge European enterprises to plea guilty in order to escape much worse consequences.
Alstom, a major multinational corporation whose railroad section produces France's high speed
trains, is a jewel of French industry. In 2014, under pressure from U.S. accusations of corruption
(probably bribes to officials in a few developing countries), Alstom sold off its electricity branch
to General Electric.
The underlying accusation is that such alleged "corruption" by foreign firms causes U.S. firms
to lose markets. That is possible, but there is no practical reciprocity here. A whole range of U.S.
intelligence agencies, able to spy on everyone's private communications, are engaged in commercial
espionage around the world. As an example, the Office of Foreign Assets Control, devoted to this
task, operates with 200 employees on an annual budget of over $30 million. The comparable office
in Paris employs five people.
This was the situation as of last October. The latest round of sanctions can only expose European
banks and enterprises to even more severe consequences, especially concerning investments in the
vital Nord Stream natural gas pipeline.
This bill is just the latest in a series of U.S. legislative measures tending to break down national
legal sovereignty and create a globalized jurisdiction in which anyone can sue anyone else for anything,
with ultimate investigative capacity and enforcement power held by the United States.
Wrecking the European Economy
Over a dozen European Banks (British, German, French, Dutch, Swiss) have run afoul of U.S. judicial
moralizing, compared to only one U.S. bank: JP Morgan Chase.
The U.S. targets the European core countries, while its overwhelming influence in the northern
rim – Poland, the Baltic States and Sweden – prevents the European Union from taking any measures
(necessarily unanimous) contrary to U.S. interests.
By far the biggest catch in Uncle Sam's financial fishing expedition is Deutsche Bank. As Pierre
Lellouche warned during the final hearing of the extraterritorial hearings last October, U.S. pursuits
against Deutsche Bank risk bringing down the whole European banking system. Although it had already
paid hundreds of millions of dollars to the State of New York, Deutsche Bank was faced with a "fine
of 14 billion dollars whereas it is worth only five and a half. In other words, if this is carried
out, we risk a domino effect, a major financial crisis in Europe."
In short, U.S. sanctions amount to a sword of Damocles threatening the economies of the country's
main trading partners. This could be a Pyrrhic victory, or more simply, the blow that kills the goose
that lays the golden eggs. But hurrah, America would be the winner in a field of ruins.
Former justice minister Elisabeth Guigou called the situation shocking, and noted that France
had told the U.S. Embassy that the situation is " insupportable " and insisted that "we
must be firm".
Jacques Myard said that "American law is being used to gain markets and eliminate competitors.
We should not be naïve and wake up to what is happening."
This enquiry marked a step ahead in French awareness and resistance to a new form of "taxation
without representation" exercised by the United States against its European satellites. They committee
members all agreed that something must be done.
That was last October. In June, France held parliamentary elections. The commission chairman,
Pierre Lellouche (Republican), the rapporteur Karine Berger (Socialist), Elisabeth Guigou (a leading
Socialist) and Jacques Myard (Republican) all lost their seats to inexperienced newcomers recruited
into President Emmanuel Macron's République en marche party. The newcomers are having a
hard time finding their way in parliamentary life and have no political memory, for instance of the
Rapport on Extraterritoriality.
As for Macron, as minister of economics, in 2014 he went against earlier government rulings by
approving the GE purchase of Alstom. He does not appear eager to do anything to anger the United
States.
However, there are some things that are so blatantly unfair that they cannot go on forever.
there are some things that are so blatantly unfair that they cannot go on forever.
LOL! Naïve, I think. As long as European countries (and the UK) are prepared to carry on acting
as Washington's bitches, Washington will go on treating them as such.
The political, media and business elites need to be thoroughly cleansed of US apologists. That
won't be easy, especially when Europe and the UK are in the grip of an ideologically anti-nationalist
culture that is essentially treasonous and utterly lacking in national self-respect.
Ending NATO and suppressing the US-backed anti-Russian propaganda that keeps Europe and the
UK subordinate would be the bare minimum first steps, along with cooperating with China and Russia
to promote and use financial systems independent of the dollar.
or even by simply trading in dollars, which is something that no large international enterprise
can avoid
The countries that are regularly targeted for US bullying are building structures that avoid
vulnerability. European countries and the UK need to join with them in doing so (though it's unlikely
they will be trusted very far given their track records of collaboration with Washington).
Also companies that decline to deal in the US market should be protected and supported, on
national security grounds. It should be straightforwardly illegal in all sovereign countries for
the US to try to impose its laws on any company merely for dealing in dollars, and the US should
be held directly responsible when its courts seek to do so. US extraterritoriality has always
been a gross intrusion into and threat to national sovereignty.
In 2014, France's leading bank, BNP-Paribas, agreed to pay a whopping fine of nearly nine
billion dollars, basically for having used dollar transfers in deals with countries under U.S.
sanctions.
Ideally this kind of extortion will be to some extent counterbalanced by retaliatory extractions
from US business assets such as Google and Facebook.
entering into the obscure "plea bargain" culture of the U.S. judicial system, unfamiliar
to Europeans. Just like the poor wretch accused of robbing a convenience store, the lawyers
urge the huge European enterprises to plea guilty in order to escape much worse consequences
The US plea bargain system is a disgrace to any kind of concept of justice and basically means
that no US confessions or guilty pleas can be regarded as meaningful, and nor should any sovereign
country agree to extradition of its own citizens to the US. It is basically a system of organised
blackmail, coerced confessions and corruption of witnesses.
Well, Europe could consider all of these payouts to the US as "reparations for Nazi atrocities".
This will make it go down easier, after all who wouldn't want to enslave himself to Yankees to
repair Nazi atrocities?
"... The near-unanimous vote in both houses of Congress (all "no" votes in the House were from Republicans) testifies to the degree to which the CIA, NSA and other spy agencies directly control the institutions of the state and the personnel that compose them."*** ..."
"... By far the new U.S. bill place the most distressing question mark on the pipeline to northern Europe known as Nord Stream II. Five of Europe's biggest energy companies are all signed on to partner Gazprom in pumping gas westwards. ..."
"... "The Europeans intensely dislike U.S. extraterritoriality, and this will widen the breach between the EU and U.S.," Sir Lyne says. "For the Russians, that is a silver lining." ..."
"... All the Europeans need do is tell Uncle Sam to go fuck himself with his sanctions That will pull the rug out from under the American psychos behind the rabid sanction lunacy ..."
"... American politicians are also under the bizarre delusion that they can replace Russia's piped gas with LNG exports. This delusion is something else. America imports natural gas! It would have to take a major consumption hit, thereby driving up prices since demand will remain, to supply the EU with 150+ billion cubic meters of gas per year that currently comes from Russia. The USA consumed about 780 bcm of gas in 2016. It does not have a spare 150 bcm to sell. ..."
"... As I alluded yesterday, the USA has staked out a position from which it cannot back away, one which is of surpassing stupidity, because it has accustomed itself to being obeyed and fancies itself such a clever manipulator that it will always get its way. It is critical now that Europe actually stand together and speak with one voice; otherwise, America will begin probing for lack of resolve and unlimbering its divide-and-conquer game. ..."
"... It will also be pretty funny if Russia struggled and pleaded and accepted all manner of small-minded insults just to get into the World Trade Organization, only to see it collapse only a few years later. Because I'm pretty sure what America is trying to pull off here is in gross violation of WTO rules as well. ..."
"The new sanctions expose the essential issues behind the "election hacking" campaign of
the US media and political establishment, spearheaded by the intelligence agencies that are
opposed to any shift away from the anti-Russia policy developed under the Obama
administration.
****
The near-unanimous vote in both houses of Congress (all "no" votes in the House were from
Republicans) testifies to the degree to which the CIA, NSA and other spy agencies directly
control the institutions of the state and the personnel that compose them."***
"One key question now is how Europe will react," Sir Lyne says. "Over Ukraine, the US and
EU marched in step. That is not the case now; and the new bill has the potential to make
Europe pay a much higher price than the US."
The EU has never been more dependent on Russian gas, according to Bloomberg, as Russia's
state-run gas monopoly Gazprom now pumps over a third (34 percent) of Russia's gas. At
present, Gazprom has put the kibosh on one pipeline to the EU, known as South Stream but
agreed one that will bring gas on the EU's borders, to Turkey.
By far the new U.S. bill place the most distressing question mark on the pipeline to
northern Europe known as Nord Stream II. Five of Europe's biggest energy companies are all
signed on to partner Gazprom in pumping gas westwards.
Anglo-Dutch group Royal Dutch Shell, Austria's OMV, France's Engie and Germany's Uniper
and Wintershall have agreed to work with Gazprom on the pipeline, collectively covering
around half of the nearly $11 billion cost.
The European Commission President Jean Claude-Juncker warned Wednesday that Brussels needs
to act "within days" if the U.S. does provide Europe with reassurance that the sanctions will
not jeopardize EU interests. A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity told
European news site EUobserver, that the European companies would likely not be punished by
the U.S. as part of the sanctions but called the situation a "risk" regardless.
"The Europeans intensely dislike U.S. extraterritoriality, and this will widen the breach
between the EU and U.S.," Sir Lyne says. "For the Russians, that is a silver lining."
All the europeans need do is tell Uncle Sam to go fuck himself with his sanctions That
will pull the rug out from under the American psychos behind the rabid sanction lunacy
All the Europeans need do is tell Uncle Sam to go fuck himself with his sanctions That
will pull the rug out from under the American psychos behind the rabid sanction lunacy
Of course that is not going to happen, at least not publicly – there will be no
outward sign of European rebellion, because that would be 'playing into Putin's hands', and
the European elite still loathes Putin enough to not want to be seen doing that. At the same
time, Uncle Sam does not want to back down, and an arrangement – even secret –
that America would not apply the sanctions to European companies would completely nullify
their effect. European companies would simply ignore them and carry on with their plans. So
the possibility they might be invoked has to stay, with all the attendant fury that is likely
to cause. Juicy as a mango, I think. Official America has been a bully for so long that it's
the only problem-solving approach it remembers.
The question that keeps nagging at the corner of my mind, though, is "What if the USA were
successful at stopping the construction of Nord Stream II and Russia ceased transit through
Ukraine anyway?" After all, this whole effort is focused on forcing Russia to continue
transiting a big part of Europe's gas supplies through Ukraine, both to keep Ukraine viable
by forcing Russia to engage with it despite its objectionable ideological government, and to
keep Ukraine as a bargaining chip to make Russia appear to be an unreliable supplier.
Washington's assumption is that Russia will continue to transit gas through Ukraine if its
alternatives are removed – after all, it's just a big gas station, and it can't live
without its gas sales to Europe. But what if, once again, Washington guessed wrong? If I were
running Russia – let's pretend, because I'm not – I would orchestrate a series of
'rebel' sabotage attacks on Naftogaz's pipeline network, blowing up substantial parts of it,
and then use that as a reason to cease transit of gas through the line: it's just not safe. I
would then maximize transit through existing pipelines
except
Ukraine, perhaps
accelerating the completion of Turkish Stream, and publicly and loudly blame any shortfall on
American meddling – if Nord Stream had been twinned, you wouldn't have this problem. If
it were managed correctly and everything went according to plan, I think it would
resonate.
Also, Russia has reduced its dependence on energy exports. It might be worth it to allow a
scenario in which Washington got the opportunity to make up for Russian shortfalls, because
it would be a complete failure – the export capability is just not there, and if they
redoubled their efforts they would lose money like crazy because they could not do it for
Russia's prices. Either they would flop at the delivery end, or the Europeans would squeal
like pigs because their gas rates went out of sight, or Uncle Sam would take a bath on
American exports. Those are the only possible scenarios, it should be emphasized.
We have clear evidence that the politicians in the USA do not have a grip on Russia's economy
and exports dependence. By 2019 Russia will have a massive gas pipeline to China. Gas for
this pipeline has to come from somewhere and filling it up with Banderastan transit gas would
be a good start to put the USA and its EU colony in its place. According to the most recent
Awara Group report, the fraction of oil and gas industry in Russia is down to 8% of GDP. Not
only is Russia not dependent on oil and gas for its GDP, it will lose nothing by shifting
supply away from the EU.
American politicians are also under the bizarre delusion that they can replace Russia's
piped gas with LNG exports. This delusion is something else. America imports natural gas! It
would have to take a major consumption hit, thereby driving up prices since demand will
remain, to supply the EU with 150+ billion cubic meters of gas per year that currently comes
from Russia. The USA consumed about 780 bcm of gas in 2016. It does not have a spare 150 bcm
to sell.
"The European powers reacted sharply yesterday to the US House of Representatives' passage
of a bill imposing sanctions on Russia, Iran and North Korea, indicating that it was
unacceptable to European interests and that the European Union (EU) was preparing retaliatory
measures."
"Angry commentary over the sanctions bill in the German press underscore that influential
forces in the German ruling class see the sanctions bill as yet further evidence of hostile
US intent towards Germany and Europe.
"What is particularly dangerous is that supporters of Russia sanctions in Washington are not
only trying to put Putin and Trump in the same bag, but also helping the US economy against
foreign competition," wrote the Sueddeutsche Zeitung. Under the bill, the daily added,
"Europeans would be forced to burn less Russian natural gas and more American liquefied
natural gas. This is an unfriendly act, especially against Germany."
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote that, "with all due respect for the Senate and its
ambition to tie President Donald Trump's hands on Russia policy, the draft law is
unacceptable from a European perspective. First, it breaks the diplomatic alliance between
Europe and the United States in deciding on sanctions against Russia. The argument that
America is promoting Europe's energy security is also quite insolent. That is Europe's
responsibility. This is how you lose friends."
The question that is emerging is whether the US-EU military rivalry and bitter trade
conflicts will now coalesce and escalate into a catastrophic breakdown in US-EU relations!in
the form of a trade war that would bring the world economy to its knees, or of outright
military conflict."
Hmmm .So the RWETA is born.. Russia &Western EuropeTrade Allliance
Why make it more complicated than it is? The French are in the lead for once – such
sanctions are a violation of international law. Consequently no other nations are obligated
to abide by them. If America levied a massive fine against BASF Wintershall, and that company
simply ignored it, what would America do? Start booting out German companies in the USA? Melt
BMW's and pour them down the drains in the street?
As I alluded yesterday, the USA has staked out a position from which it cannot back away,
one which is of surpassing stupidity, because it has accustomed itself to being obeyed and
fancies itself such a clever manipulator that it will always get its way. It is critical now
that Europe actually stand together and speak with one voice; otherwise, America will begin
probing for lack of resolve and unlimbering its divide-and-conquer game.
The really funny part in this, from my viewpoint, is the way the Europeans blame Trump and
his presidency. Granted, he did frame the 'America first' policy, but that's just a
convenient handle for the angry Europeans to grab. Trump entered office with the declared
intention of mending the damaged relationship with Russia, and it was the Democrats who
created an hysterical firestorm of accusation that Russia had greased Trump's way into
office. It has been ideologues outside Trump's circle who crafted the sanctions legislation
with a view to preventing him from lifting the sanctions under his own recognizance.
It will also be pretty funny if Russia struggled and pleaded and accepted all manner of
small-minded insults just to get into the World Trade Organization, only to see it collapse
only a few years later. Because I'm pretty sure what America is trying to pull off here is in
gross violation of WTO rules as well.
"... An increase in Libyan output, together with a surge in US production and signs of recovery in Nigeria, may undercut Opec's strategy to re-balance the market and boost prices. ..."
"... The US frackers (along with all other high-cost producers around the globe) will go bust before the end of the decade. ..."
"... It is garbage articles. Only trading oil shares on stock market is zero sum game so when Mr Buffet makes $1 million many others lost a little bit each to the tune of $1 million. But country producing oil and exporting is not stock market. It is life and life is not zero-sum game. If oil companies in one oil producing country lost 10-20-30 billion it does not mean that oil companies in other oil producing country gained 10-20-30 billion. Glenn, this is so basic. ..."
"... Let the Saudis, the Russians and the cheap money wallstreet companies shoot out their battle – when the first topples (perhaps SA running out of money first, Venezuala soon goes bottom-up) prices will be north of 70$ again. ..."
"... Northsea-oil is another candidate for going bottom-up, the same with old giant fields like chinese super fields where they stopped injecting at 60$. Together with a healthy 1.4 mb demand growth there will be times when even a wide deveoloped Permian can't sustain all demands at 40-50$. ..."
"... Financing in the oil industry will take care of it. If loans and investments dry up as lenders and investors find better deals to make, there will be less drilling. It's the oil industry itself to blame for low prices. ..."
Russia is making less money on oil and gas exports, according to the data published today
by the Federal Customs Service. In 2016, the revenues from oil and gas exports declined by
17.7% (compared to 2015) and amounted to $73.676 billion. Gazprom's revenues from gas exports
declined by 25% and amounted to $31.28 billion.
While output curbs introduced at the start of the year are working, global inventories aren't
yet at the level targeted by Opec and its allies, Saudi energy minister Khalid Al-Falih said
Monday in Beijing alongside his Russian counterpart, Alexander Novak. The ministers agreed
the deal should be extended through the first quarter of 2018 at the same volume of reductions,
they said .
An increase in Libyan output, together with a surge in US production and signs of recovery
in Nigeria, may undercut Opec's strategy to re-balance the market and boost prices.
Oil prices were about 1 percent lower on Monday as investors continued to await strong indications
that an OPEC-led effort to drain a glut was proving effective .
U.S. shale oil production was forecast to rise for the eighth consecutive month, climbing
112,000 barrels per day (bpd) to 5.585 million bpd in August .
Oil prices are less than half their mid-2014 level because of a persistent glut, even after
the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries with Russia and other non-OPEC producers
cut supplies since January.
U.S. shale oil production is forecast to rise for the eighth consecutive month, climbing
112,000 barrels per day (bpd) to 5.585 million bpd in August, the U.S. Energy Department said
in a report on Monday.
The increase comes amid market concerns that rising shale output will dampen the Organization
of the Petroleum Exporting Countries' efforts to curb a global supply glut.
The U.S. shale production level would be the highest since record-keeping began in 2007,
according to the EIA's monthly drilling productivity report.
It is garbage articles. Only trading oil shares on stock market is zero sum game so when
Mr Buffet makes $1 million many others lost a little bit each to the tune of $1 million. But country
producing oil and exporting is not stock market. It is life and life is not zero-sum game. If
oil companies in one oil producing country lost 10-20-30 billion it does not mean that oil companies
in other oil producing country gained 10-20-30 billion. Glenn, this is so basic.
Look this way, very simple way, if you and your neighbour are earning oil royalties on your
Texas land in US$ with exactly same interest and he has to live in Texas (and has to pay living
expense in $US) and you live in Mexico (paying expenses in pesos) it is not the same. For you
"It's morning in Mexico" but for your Texas neighbour is so so.
It depends on your costs whats the best – If you have 49$ costs, the first least will still generate
612.000$ profit, the second only 120.000$ despite pumping the 10 fold amount.
If you have only 1 piece of land and can wait(it's your land, and you have the money), the
first option is the best – if you are a shale company with 1 zillion in debt, the second option
is the best to dish out all your assets to hit your payment rates.
Someone here described at a rule of a thumb you should earn the 3 fold price of drilling costs
to make a good fortune since you have additional costs – so waiting a bit before calling for the
fracking pump can pay out here.
Let the Saudis, the Russians and the cheap money wallstreet companies shoot out their battle
– when the first topples (perhaps SA running out of money first, Venezuala soon goes bottom-up)
prices will be north of 70$ again.
Northsea-oil is another candidate for going bottom-up, the same with old giant fields like
chinese super fields where they stopped injecting at 60$. Together with a healthy 1.4 mb demand
growth there will be times when even a wide deveoloped Permian can't sustain all demands at 40-50$.
But if the total BO from the lease is the same whether it comes out slowly or quickly, then getting
the oil out quickly at a low price is not as good as getting the oil out slowly at a higher price.
Your lifetime return on your lease would be the most important number.
Well that certainly is the conclusion that the Pure and the Humble (aka John D. Rockefeller)
came to in the 1930s after the discovery of the East Texas Field.
But just exactly how do you propose that those "higher prices" be achieved in a competitive,
free market economy?
Or do you advocate for the re-cartelization of the market place for oil, the way it was between
1936 and the 1970?
Financing in the oil industry will take care of it. If loans and investments dry up as lenders
and investors find better deals to make, there will be less drilling. It's the oil industry
itself to blame for low prices.
That's how the business cycle works in a competitive, free-market economy. The down-cycle is
unkind to many, but some make it through and go on to fight another day.
Do you prefer a system where the government picks the winners and losers?
Between depletion and increased production costs and a temporary glut of oil, the market is making
oil and gas investments less attractive.
The government IS stepping in, to the industry's detriment, by selling more leases right now
and encouraging what might be overproduction at the moment.
If market conditions hasten the decline of gas and oil, I won't be sorry because I think we
need alternatives anyway.
Countries that don't want to be dependent on fossil fuel imports have an incentive to find alternatives.
Even if they pay a bit more for them (which doesn't appear will be the case), renewables offer
them more energy independence. If that is America's goal, it is likely to be other countries'
goal as well.
Alternative energy sources also provide an economic advantage for some countries because they
can become energy players even without their own fossil fuels.
Think of alternative energy the way you do military preparativeness. There is value to countries
which taxpayers and governments will support even if there is no direct financial benefit. However
money spent for alternative energy WILL have more economic benefit than military spending.
"A lease that produces 12,000 BO per year at $100/BO generates $1.2 million in revenue.
A lease that produces 120,000 BO per year at $50/BO generates $6 million in revenue."
Glenn,
The only problem is that FEW 120.000 BO cannot pay MANY 12,000 BO. So, picking 120.000 BO wells
is losing game in long term. It is like a stock picking vs indexing in investing. Indexing always
wins. Shale carpet drilling is like trying to find that one 120.000 BO well that will pay for
all losers that are 12,000 BO. Losing game in the long term...
Proppant isn"t free. If you use more of it, it costs more. If you add a different kind it
costs more.
And the executive bonuses are production based, not profit based. If they can get other
people to fund via loans those bonuses then of course they will do it.
You want evidence the proppant pays for itself in production? You can find it. It appears
in the earnings per share number. If it doesn't then there is no evidence.
This is no different than drilling holes to recover pores of oil amounting to 20 barrels,
total. At $45/b you get $900 from that. If someone else pays the $7 million for the hole, why
not drill?
"Investors who'd plowed $2 billion four years ago into a private equity fund that had also
borrowed $1.3 billion to lever up may receive "at most, pennies for every dollar they
invested," people familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal."
It is the same WSJ that last 4 years were writing about "resilience of shale" like
parrots, every day. Of course it is resilient with Gran Ma and Gran Pa money if you look that
it was mostly pension funds that are invested.
"Only seven private-equity funds larger than $1 billion have ever lost money for
investors, according to investment firm Cambridge Associates LLC. Among those of any size to
end in the red, losses greater than 25% or so are almost unheard of, though there are several
energy-focused funds in danger of doing so, according to public pension records."
So now those evil shale people are screwing Grand Pa and Grand Ma out of their hard-earned
savings?
After all, we have it straight from WolfStreet. Wolf Richter blasts the unscrupulous shale
industry when he writes:
"
The renewed hype about shale oil – which is curiously similar to the prior hype
about shale oil that ended in the oil bust – and the new drilling boom it has
engendered, with tens of billions of dollars being once again thrown at it by institutional
investors, has skillfully covered up the other reality: The damage from the oil bust is far
from over, losses continue to percolate through portfolios and retirement savings, and in
many cases – as with pensions funds – the ultimate losers, whose money this is,
are blissfully unaware of it."
There's a problem, however, with using EnerVest to bash the shale industry. And the
problem is very easy to spot for anyone who has even the most rudimentary knowledge of the
oil and gas industry (which of course leaves Richter out): EnerVest's portfolio has very few
shale assets.
• EnerVest is the largest
conventional
oil and natural gas operator in
Ohio
• EnerVest is the largest producer in the Austin Chalk, another
conventional
field.
• EnerVest is the fifth largest producer in the Barnett Shale, which is the only
shale holding listed in the company's list of core areas.
• EnerVest has spent $1.5 billion purchasing assets in the Anadarko Basin since 2013,
again in
conventional
fields.
• EnerVest is a top 20 producer in the San Juan Basin, again a
conventional
field.
So Richter uses the implosion of EnerVest, a company that is predominately a
conventonal
oil and gas producer, to bash shale? That really makes a lot of sense.
Glenn,
shale/no shale, they lost every single penny. and btw wsj lied to you every single day for
the last 4 years about milk & honey in oil patch. how do you feel about it?
Freddy, I doubt you can get this data, but a gassy geology flows liquid that isn't oil. The
relentless march upward of API speaks of NGLs rather than oil. If people just ignore API
degrees and flow liquid that is API 47 or even 51, but still call it oil, the numbers will
all be corrupted and no one will know.
I gotta go research NoDak's taxation regulation on liquids that are not crude.
coffee: Thanks for the heads up on Rockman BK discussion on PeakOil.com. I had quit looking
at that site because it seemed to have become very radical. Rockman is a good poster,
however, lots of knowledge, and a down to earth guy too.
What he describes there is why this is probably going to play out like 1986-1999. Takes
years for US onshore upstream to be placed in the category of "not investible". So $40s or
lower, on average, until mid-2020's, unless there is a prolonged major supply disruption,
which necessarily means a major Middle Eastern war lasting for years.
The possibility of $90 WTI has to be erased from memory, just like $30 WTI had to be
erased from memory from 1986-1998.
Over the course of the history of mankind, more assets have changed hands at a price
completely absent any effect of supply and demand than those that might have cared about such
things. Vastly more. Let's count a few.
1) Every single inheritance. In the history of mankind, every single inheritance.
2) All gifts.
3) All conquests.
4) All manifestations of economic predation. Predatory pricing established those
levels.
5) All monopolies
6) All thefts
7) All taxation
8) All govt decreed excise or tarrif
Want more proof? How about the ultimate:
The purchase of about 2 Trillion dollars of mortgage backed securities by the Federal
Reserve from 2009 to 2015. The pricing of those securities was 0 at mark to market, so mark
to market was disallowed, but even with that, the Fed specified the price to be whatever they
wished, and the sellers didn't have any reason to complain. The price paid was far above
supply and demand (aka 0). $2 Trillion. That probably exceeds amounts for assets from all
history that someone imagined was taking place at a free market price. Not to mention the
ongoing buys from the ECB in progress today.
So the price of oil will be what the lowest priced large sellers want it to be, and they
have no reason to imagine that their victory should be measured in a whimsically created
substance.
The upside potential might be stronger than appears at present for many reasons.
Although the Enervest situation has been conflated with the shale industry, the exact
opposite reality might prove to your (smaller operators) collective benefit as you ride out
this current storm.
Time was, ss, that some camel upwind in the desert somewhere would fart and global oil
markets would reverberate for days.
Now, in hydrocarbon producing countries from Nigeria to the Philippines, including Iraq,
Libya, Yemen, Syria, KSA and others there is conflict raging from low level to all out
warfare. Heck, there were reports the other day of a thwarted attack on a Saudi offshore
facility.
Qatar is virtually quarantined.
Russia is battling international sanctions.
And $46 WTI???
You kidding me???
We ain't in Denmark (most of us), but something's sure is rotten,
SS – It has been my experience that concerning financial matters, nothing "plays out"
like the past. Consider the period 1986-1999: No one was concerned that the world was near
peak oil. OPEC spare capacity was at least 4 times what it is today, [ask Ron], at a time
when final demand was much less. Iraq invaded Kuwait, and then we went to war to get them out
– remember the oil well fires. Russia collapsed. The "BRIC" countries [Brazil, Russia,
India and China] were inconsequential. The Dow Jones was down 22.6% in ONE DAY in 1987. The
International Monetary system almost collapsed in 1997. The world was transitioning from a
period of high inflation to much lower inflation. Japan was booming [until 1990].
You can probably add a dozen significant happenings to the list without thinking too hard.
The point is, so many variables have changed that something as significant as oil is going to
"play out" based upon today's factors, not "like" 1986-1999. Some people are still trying to
analog to the 1930's in order to predict the next great depression in the stock market
– do not listen to them.
I know things never play out exactly as in the past.
However, one has to prepare for the worst, and prices will be low for awhile IMO.
The Rockman BK discussion helped put it in focus for me. The wells will be drilled, and
only when it is clear all large US shale oil basins have hit their limit, will prices begin
to rise. That might not take 12 years, but I think at least 5 is likely.
The only intervenor would be a supply shock from the Middle East.
Another poster on another site also has given me some clarity. He states there has not
been enough suffering experienced yet in the US oil patch by those responsible for the
production boom.
We just went through two bad years of prices in 2015-2016, and at the first sign of light,
the industry was able to raise a ton of cash and go back with guns a blazing. There were no
consequences to the powers that be from the 2015-2016 low prices. Heck, the strip was higher
this time last year, yet we are still adding rigs.
It will take a minimum of five years, until it is universally believed that prices will be
low forever, that supply will be abundant forever, and that the sector is a bad
investment.
Once that happens, look out, price could rocket. But it will be awhile IMO.
Some difference between now and 86-99: i) decline rates are higher, ii) Spare capacity is
_much_ lower (oil stocks are high which apparently is what traders observe) – back in
86 KSA could flood the market, iii) not much new big projects in the pipe after 2019 and
North Sea is declining this time while it was increasing back then.
Rebalancing should go faster this time if (!) demand continues to increase.
EIA numbers are basically worthless, as far as the Permian goes. To analyze it like they are
trying to do, you would have to separate conventional production from horizontal production.
Take more gathering tools than they are using to accomplish that. Until 2015, they were still
drilling 800 a month or so vertical wells, which dropped down to 100 to 150 a month since
then. Looking at district 8A, that production is dropping like a rock. Combining the two,
production appears to be pretty flat for Texas since the first of the year.
"... Intensive drilling is causing a problem called 'frac-hits', which are cross-well interferences. These happen when fracking pressure is accidently transferred to adjacent wells that have less pressure integrity. As a result a failure of pressure control occurs, which reduces production flow. ..."
"... as the following chart from Goldman shows, the number of horizontal rigs funded by public junk bond issuance has not changed in the past 3 months. Is the funding market about to cool dramatically on US shale, and if so, just how high will oil surge? ..."
"... They want control of Russian oil and resources, so it may be cheap for a long, long time. This means the banksters will fund shale production 'til hell freezes over. They want another Russian revolution. ..."
"... Outside of Shale is DeepWater, Artic and Oil Sands. None of these are much better, and I think it will be harder this time for Oil prices to increase to make these non-convensional oil projects profitable. ..."
From Horseman Capital Management's July Monthly Newsleter
...Having grown up, and spent my entire investing career in periods of bubble inflation and
deflation , I am constantly minded to look for where the market is deceiving itself, and then
positioning the fund to benefit from the process of realisation. Many years ago, I could see
that the commodity bubble was ending, and Chinese growth was peaking. This meant that
commodities would be weaker and inflation lower, making a short commodities, long bond position
very effective. It was a great strategy, but its effectiveness ended early last year.
The good news is that new market delusion is now apparent to me. When I moved long emerging
markets, and short developed markets, the one commodity I could not give detailed bullish
reasons for was oil. Unlike most other commodities, the oil industry, in the form of US shale
drillers has continued to receive investment flows throughout the entire downturn
I had shorted shale producers and the related MLP stocks before, and I knew there was
something wrong with the industry, but I failed to find the trigger for the US shale industry
to fail. And like most other investors I was continually swayed by the statements from the US
shale drillers that they have managed to cut breakeven prices even further. However, I have
taken a closer look at the data from EIA and from the company presentations. The rising decline
rates of major US shale basins, and the increasing incidents of frac hits (also a cause of
rising decline rates) have convinced me that US shale producers are not only losing
competitiveness against other oil drillers, but they will find it hard to make money . If US
rates continue to stay low, then it is possible that the high yield markets may continue to
supply these drillers with capital, but I think that this is unlikely. More likely is that at
some point debt investors start to worry that they will not get their capital back and cut
lending to the industry. Even a small reduction in capital, would likely lead to a steep fall
in US oil production. If new drilling stopped today, daily US oil production would fall by 350
thousand barrels a day over the
next month (Source: EIA).
What I also find extraordinary, is that it seems to me shale drilling is a very unprofitable
industry, and becoming more so. And yet, many businesses in the US have expended large amounts
of capital on the basis that US oil will always be cheap and plentiful. I am thinking of
pipelines, refineries, LNG exporters, chemical plants to name the most obvious. Even more
amazing is that other oil sources have become more cost competitive but have been starved of
resources. If US oil production declines, the rest of the world will struggle to increase
output. An oil squeeze looks more likely to me. A broader commodity squeeze also looks likely
to me.
In the latest letter's sector allocation, Clark also added the following section providing a
more detailed explanation why he has boosted his shale short to 15.5%:
We are negative on the US shale sector, during the month we increased the short exposure to
oil exploration and MLPs to about 15.5%. Conventional oil wells typically produce in 3 stages:
the start-up rising production stage lasts 2 to 3 years, it is followed by a plateau stage
which lasts another 2-3 years and a long declining stage, during which production declines at
rates of 1% to 10% per year. These wells generally produce over 15 to 30 years ( Source:
Planete energies).
In contrast, production from unconventional / shale wells peaks within a few months after it
starts and decreases by about 75% after one year and by about 85% after two years (Source
Permian basin, Goldman Sachs). This means that, in order to keep producing, shale producers
need to constantly drill new wells.
Shale drilling is characterised by drilling horizontally into the layers of rock where
hydrocarbons lie. Then hydraulic fracturing which consists of pumping a mixture of water,
proppant (sand) and chemicals into the rock at high pressure, allows hydrocarbons to be
extracted out to the head of the well.
Since 2016, as oil prices rallied, the number of rigs in the Permian basin, which is
currently the most sought after drilling area in the US, rose from about 150 to almost 400 .
Furthermore, operations have moved into a high intensity phase as wells are drilled closer
together, average lateral lengths increased over 80% from 2,687 ft in early 2012 to 4,875 ft in
2016 and the average volume of proppant per lateral foot more has than doubled (Source: Stratas
Advisors).
Intensive drilling is causing a problem called 'frac-hits', which are cross-well
interferences. These happen when fracking pressure is accidently transferred to adjacent wells
that have less pressure integrity. As a result a failure of pressure control occurs, which
reduces production flow.
In the worst cases, pressure losses can result in a total loss of
production that never returns. According to a senior reservoir engineer at CNOOC Nexen,
frac-hits have now become a top concern, they can affect several wells on a pad along with
those on nearby pads (Sources: Journal of Petroleum Technology).
A former engineer for Southwestern Energy said that frac-hits are very difficult to predict,
the best way to respond is with trial and error and experimenting with well spacing and frac
sizes to find the optimal combination.
In May Range Resources reported that it was forced to shut wells in order to minimise the
impact of frac-hits. This month Abbraxas Petroleum said it will be shutting in several
high-volume wells for about a month (Source: Upstream).
In the Permian basin new well production per rig continued to decline in June, from 617
barrels per day down to 602 . In the meantime , legacy oil production, which is a function of
the number of wells, depletion rates and production outages such as frac hits, is continuing to
rise . (Source: EIA)
In light of the above growing short bet on shale, this is how Clark is positioned:
The analysis leads me to be potentially bearish on bonds, bearish on US shale drillers, but
bullish on commodities. Over the month, we have added to US shale shorts, while also selling
our US housebuilder longs . We continue to build our US consumer shorts, where the combination
of higher oil prices and higher interest rates should devastate an industry already dealing
with oversupply and the entry of Amazon into ever more areas . The combination of long mining
and short shale drillers has the nice effect of reducing volatility, but ultimately offering
high returns. The combination of portfolio changes has taken us back to a net short of over
40%. I find market action is supporting my thesis, and the research and analysis is compelling.
Your fund remains short developed markets, long emerging markets.
While we will have more to say on this, Clark may be on to something:
as the following chart
from Goldman shows, the number of horizontal rigs funded by public junk bond issuance has not
changed in the past 3 months. Is the funding market about to cool dramatically on US shale, and
if so, just how high will oil surge?
LetThemEatRand
•Jul 22, 2017 5:44 PM
A short bet on shale is also a bet on no war that disrupts supply/increases demand. It is
also a bet against any kind of crisis in the dollar. As it stands now, that seems pretty
risky to me.
NoWayJose -> LetThemEatRand
•Jul 22, 2017 6:12 PM
I'd rather be long oil services - the inevitable conclusion of the author is that fracked
oil depletes faster, the quality drops, that they cannot get more financing and that
production will fall? And you want to be 'short' when all this happens?
LetThemEatRand -> NoWayJose
•Jul 22, 2017 6:31 PM
Agreed. A lot of people have already forgotten that oil dropped massively after the US
decided (under zero) that it wanted to punish Russia because "Russia invaded Crimea."
I didn't fully believe that TPTB had so much control over the price of oil before it
happened, but the timing could not have been coincidental. When they want oil to go back up,
it will.
When that happens is anyone's guess for those of us not in the Big Club, but the idea that
oil is in a new normal price range is not supported by history. Oil was double or almost
triple its current price under similar economic conditions in the past.
daveO -> LetThemEatRand
•Jul 22, 2017 10:10 PM
They want control of Russian oil and resources, so it may be cheap for a long, long
time. This means the banksters will fund shale production 'til hell freezes over. They want
another Russian revolution.
AGuy -> NoWayJose
•Jul 23, 2017 2:43 AM
"I'd rather be long oil services"
Seems likely oil services will get hit hard when the shale bubble pops. Its likely they are
owed money by shale drillers.
Outside of Shale is DeepWater, Artic and Oil Sands. None of these are much better, and I
think it will be harder this time for Oil prices to increase to make these non-convensional
oil projects profitable.
Consumers and business are even deeper debt than they were in
2008-2009. With the Boomers entering retirement, Companies moving to automation and
technology reducing the need for travel, its likely that Oil consumption will start to
decline. Hire energy prices would accelerate the declines via demand destruction
Deep Snorkeler
•Jul 22, 2017 6:00 PM
1. Fracked fields deplete fast.
2. Frackers need low interest financing for more fracking.
3. Increased fracking density depletes fields even faster.
4. Fracked wells produce ever poorer oil quality.
EROI is against all you frickn fracking f**kers. There is no economic theory that addresses
resource depletion.
fattail -> Deep Snorkeler
•Jul 23, 2017 8:08 AM
There is no economic theory that addresses resource depletion.
How about printing a fiat currency so that you can buy them all up? Backed by nothing.....
Except.... 11 carrier groups and 18 submarines loaded with nuclear missles?
TeraByte
•Jul 22, 2017 10:18 PM
This is not at all that black and white. Dirty and expensive shale extraction however had
advantages and saved trillions dollars in war expense now required to keep the "cheap" ME oil
flowing...
"I had shorted shale producers and the related MLP stocks before, and I knew there was
something wrong with the industry, but I failed to find the trigger for the US shale industry
to fail.
And like most other investors I was continually swayed by the statements from the US shale
drillers that they have managed to cut breakeven prices even further. However, I have taken a
closer look at the data from EIA and from the company presentations.
The rising decline rates of major US shale basins, and the increasing incidents of frac
hits (also a cause of rising decline rates) have convinced me that US shale producers are not
only losing competitiveness against other oil drillers, but they will find it hard to make
money.
If US rates continue to stay low, then it is possible that the high yield markets may
continue to supply these drillers with capital, but I think that this is unlikely.
More likely is that at some point debt investors start to worry that they will not get
their capital back and cut lending to the industry. Even a small reduction in capital, would
likely lead to a steep fall in US oil production. If new drilling stopped today, daily US oil
production would fall by 350 thousand barrels a day over the next month. (Source: EIA)."
I view low oil price more like sophisticated financial scam than the result of cost
cuts.
For the USA dumping shale oil on the market at below cost prices makes perfect sense.
In 2016 the USA imported 3,681,395 thousand barrels or 10 million BPD. That means the
subsidizing domestic production just in order to drop the prices of imported oil (dumping)
makes perfect sense up to the same number.
That's probably why they are trying to increase shale oil production as if there is no
tomorrow. And the money are still flowing unabated, although the stupidity of investors can't
be completely discounted taking into account the amount of propaganda in WSJ and the USA MSM
in general. Critique of shale oil is suppressed. Articles about shale oil in WSJ do remind me
Soviet propaganda about successes of socialism.
That also helps to explain the EIA optimism. After all, the agency was created in order to
keep prices low, not to propel them high :-)
Oxy is the biggest producer in the [Permian Basin], at 270,000 bpd–half the
company's worldwide total. Hollub says it will double that within a decade. "It's pretty
hard to drill a dry hole there. We don't have to explore to find it. It's just a matter of
engineering the right way to get it out." The geology is so stacked with oil layers that
it's like having ten fields in one–a petroleum layer cake .
Thanks to better technology and better fields, Oxy has reduced its total cost per barrel
(including overhead, capital and operating costs) by more than half, to just $28.
At $60 WTI (my preferred oil price) OXY earns approximately $1.5 billion, or $1.96 per
share. Still would be a 30+ PE ratio and earnings would be less than current dividend
payments.
OXY spun off its California assets (California Resources Corporation) and loaded it with
$6 billion of debt at the height of oil prices. In my opinion this was the most strategically
important decision made by OXY. Take a look at what CRC shares are worth.
Occidental Petroleum produces less than 1/4 of its oil and gas output in the Permian, and
some of that is labeled South Texas conventional. This silliness is all small potatoes. Hell,
just about 1/2 OXY's BOE output is not even in the US. And it would be even more than 1/2 but
for a service outtage in Columbia and planned maintenance (during that quarter) in the Middle
East.
Their chemical business made them $170 million that quarter, and their total oil/gas
income was $220 million, most of which was from international flow.
OPEC and Russia's plan to clear the global oil glut hasn't worked as they hoped, but
there's little expectation the world's largest producers will act more aggressively when
they meet this weekend.
Oil has slumped into a bear market and inventories remain stubbornly high despite a deal
between OPEC and 10 countries outside the group to cut output. The implementation of supply
curbs is faltering as Libya and Nigeria restore lost production.
The trouble for ministers meeting in St. Petersburg to review the progress of the deal
is the alternatives look little better than the status quo. If the Organization of
Petroleum Exporting Countries abandons the deal and increases oil output, a further plunge
in prices would inflict more pain on their economies. And while deepening the production
cuts would spark a rally, that might encourage even bigger flows from U.S. shale
drillers.
"They're between a rock and a hard place," said Mike Wittner, head of oil market
research at Societe Generale SA in New York. "The bottom line is, it hasn't worked" and "if
they cut more, the more they support prices, the more they support U.S. production." .
The failure of the accord is driving Saudi Arabia to consider taking extra steps by
itself, according to a report by consultants Petroleum Policy Intelligence, citing
information from "key players" in OPEC. The kingdom's exports would probably drop by
600,000 barrels a day this summer as local demand peaks, and it may deepen the reduction to
1 million a day, it said.
Energy-rich Gulf Arab nations have scrambled to adjust to the slump in oil prices since
2014. Three years on, their economies are mired in weak growth .
Absent a rebound in oil prices, analysts say it's unlikely that these nations can repair
their finances without deeper spending cuts that could further hurt growth. The standoff
between a Saudi-led bloc and Qatar is also undermining investor confidence at a time when
the GCC is seeking foreign funds.
Five charts illustrate oil's dominance and the challenges facing the region.
Stumbling around the web, I ran across the record of a hearing in 1996 by the House
sub-committee on energy and the environment. Part of it has predictions from the EIA's Annual
Energy Outlook 1996, which apropos to this post by Ron, predicted that OPEC in 2015 would be
producing just over 52 million bpd in the reference case, 61 million bpd in the low-price
case, and 47 million bpd in the high price case.
See page 7 of:
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/archive/aeo96/pdf/038396.pdf
Well, they only blew that prediction by a factor of about 2.
(Russia-OPEC thinks the price is too low, so 61 million bpd predicted vs. 33 actual.)
Their predicted price is about right – inflation adjusted, but no hint of the 2008
spike.
"Well, they only blew that prediction by a factor of about 2."
but don't forget at least they were "courageous" enough to make that failed prediction,
right Dennis. All it takes is courage not accuracy. I would be curious for those among us who
have the courage, how may failed prediction does one get to make before you are no longer
courageous and are a compete fool? not that applies to any body here . but for profit
doomsayers seem to be able to go on for decades either being courageous or foolish and get by
with it. Al Gore comes to mind Michael Mann likewise ..and any and all who continue repeat
and support these complete freking fools
Two months ago I knew less than squat about wind power.
Now, I'm inclined to think that – east of the Mississippi – the US will never
embrace wind to any significant degree.
Factors leading to that conclusion
1. Falmouth Massachusettes legal/political saga
2. Ice throws
3. Flickering shadows
4. Easement restrictions for takeaway power lines
5. Infra sound
6. 1/4 mile setbacks proposed from ROADS?
7. Legislation to move Maryland offshore out to 20 miles
8. Windham/Grafton Vermont vote which, supposedly, led to a Republican winning Vermont
governorship
9. Blade throw
10. 20 year lifespan
12. 45 decibel noise, 5 mile distance hearing the whirleys
13. View shed spoilage. I really got a kick out of this one. Environmental ju jitsu at its
finest.
14. Operations/Maintenance requires blade repair from some kind of rope-trained guys who
semi-dangle while doing epoxy repair (temperature, humidity, and wind permitting)
Blade repair is #3 breakdown issue after gearbox blowups and lightening strikes. Seems like
bats and birds cause leading edge damage when they are getting chopped up.
15. Won't even get into the particulars of offshore repairs (which was the original impetus
for my research). Suffice to say it is bokoo expensive.
Dunno, Mr. G, but I think the huge supply of natgas fueled plants will be the favored
choice far off into the future.
Our cousins down in South Australia and – shortly, New England – may provide us a
glimpse of what a carbon-diminished society has to offer.
Could be. Local politics can be ahem idiosyncratic. A few thoughts:
Anti-wind propaganda is widespread. Be very skeptical of websites that talk about things
like bird strikes or noise problems.
Wind and solar are local. Some people care about import independence. Germany is farther
north than New England, and at least as dense population-wise, but they're willing to push
hard on wind and solar, in part because they put a high value on domestic production. Maybe
Boston doesn't care about getting power from Pennsylvania gas. But, I suspect they do –
why else would they consider off-shore wind, when they could get power from Iowa's wind
farms, which are much cheaper, and fairly close to the western edge of the PJM grid?
Finally, a key question for natural gas is the same as for other fossil fuels – what
are the external costs, and when will we recognize these real costs in our official
accounting? Let me ask you – what do you think the costs of pollution are for NG?
To be clear, I have always been neutral regarding wind, although perhaps a bit more wary
of claims by proponents, more so when emanating from industry connected sources. (Kinda like
you guys in relation to shale company-produced info).
Still, I was somewhat taken aback at the real world operational challenges this industry
faces, to say nothing about the political.
Nick, as I mentioned to Mr. Mason, the US has the natgas option for juice generation and
you better believe that industry is poised to attack the whirley boys at every
opportunity.
Regarding 'external costs' of natgas consumption you kiddin' me?
I'd readily choose three non anesthetized root canals listening to Taylor Swift acapella
before I attempted to engage in that topic on this site.
"... Not only will enhanced recovery affect the economics of present unconventional operations, it has the potential to greatly expand the application to numerous, older conventional sources as well as undeveloped – yet recognized – formations with hydrocarbons within them ..."
"... But the problem isn't so much whether oil is still in the ground, but how much it costs to get it out. ..."
"... New technologies that don't reduce costs to make oil profitable to drill aren't all that helpful in keeping the oil flowing. Right now we have LTO because the system accepts financial loss. That could change if alternatives promise a better financial return. ..."
"... The way I understand the term Maximum Reservoir Contact (MRC) is that it refers to multiple laterals being drilled from a single vertical wellbore. ..."
"... From what I have read MRC technology is a great fit for a number of fields in the gulf countries and may be practical in other places including USA. Of course one of the problems applying it here is that I think you need a unitized field, or at least a very large area to be implemented. ..."
"... At that time, I was amazed to learn of the multi lateral, extended reach drilling using ultra sophisticated whipstocks in the mid east, offshore, and – if memory serves – Sakhalin. Probably do need large reservoir to be viable. ..."
"... The article says this: "On the supply side, global oil production advanced by 0.5 percent to reach 92.2 million BPD." You know, factoring in both population growth and world economic growth, this isn't much. There might be a crunch coming. ..."
New technologies did postoned the day f reconing, but they can't increase the total amount
of oil availble so the effects are temporary. Adn they are costly. right now low oil price is
financial scam.
I agree with George that getting stuff wrong is no reason to quit trying. To do so would be
stupid. To look back at why projections were wrong is a much more interesting thing. To that
end, I have been looking back at predictions from the 2005 to 2010 period, starting with
Simmons and progressing to the oil drum and some others. I do not have the technical
expertise that many of these people had, but looking back is a lot easier than looking
forward.
In my opinion, there are two big reasons the projected decline hasn't come about yet.
First, most of the work done was based upon inferred data. Because, the GCC countries don't
release much, most of the folks making these projections took whatever info was available and
ran with it. I don't blame them for this, as I believe they did what they could with what was
out there, but I think they went too far in some instances, and confirmation bias is
evident.
A part of Mr Simmon's efforts to deal with the lack of hard data was his review of many
SPE papers dealing with various issues. I believe one of these papers is a key to
understanding how KSA and others have exceeded projected production. Paper (SPE 88986) deals
with well "Shaybah-220 A Maximum Reservoir Contact (MRC) Well and its implications for
developing tight-facies reservoirs."
https://www.onepetro.org/download/journal-paper/SPE-88986-PA?id=journal-paper%2FSPE-88986-PA
This paper by N.G. Saleri describes the efforts to develop the Shaybah Field. After some
initial efforts to produce there were unsatisfactory, Aramco kept on trying and came up with
the Shaybah 220, a well with eight laterals of around 40,000 feet of reservoir contact, and
producing around 12,000 bbls per day for its first year. Saleri describes this as a
"disruptive technology".
Simmons devoted a lot of attention to Shaybah, calling it "The difficult last Giant". He
included a discussion of horizontal and MRC wells including the aforementioned paper, but I
don't think he fully appreciated these MRC wells. They have allowed KSA to produce lots of
oil in many fields that were in decline. Another example is shown by the 2008 paper by Mr
Asaad Al-Towalib on "Advanced completion technologies in successful extraction of attic oil
reserves in a mature giant carbonate field." In this paper they describe how this technology
was adapted to produce the attic oil of Abqaiq, KSA's oldest giant. To summarize, Abqaiq had
been produced since the 40's, and had produced about 57% of the original oil, but had around
25 feet of attic oil in poorer reservoir that they had not been able to produce. They tried
to produce this attic oil via vertical and conventional horizontal wells with little success.
They improved their technology and eventually completed many successful MRC wells with
geosteering which allowed them to follow structure, and intelligent completions which delay
the effects of coning.
So, much as most of us would have underestimated how successful our light-tight frac oil
has now become, many underestimated how successful MRC, and associated technology has been
for many gulf nations.
I think the next question is what happens next, so using Abqaiq as an example, after
successfully producing that attic oil is there another encore or does it become just a
depleted field? They have also used this technology to get more out of Ghawar and many other
fields, do they have room to run, or are they done?
That is simply an outstanding display of, and description of, a serious effort in
understanding what is unfolding in the world of hydrocarbon production.
I would suggest that the entire concept of MRC is being currently applied in this 'shale
revolution' primarily in the area of maximizing recovery rates, aka better
fracturing/completion processes.
Not only will enhanced recovery affect the economics of present unconventional
operations, it has the potential to greatly expand the application to numerous, older
conventional sources as well as undeveloped – yet recognized – formations with
hydrocarbons within them
But the problem isn't so much whether oil is still in the ground, but how much it costs
to get it out.
New technologies that don't reduce costs to make oil profitable to drill aren't all
that helpful in keeping the oil flowing. Right now we have LTO because the system accepts
financial loss. That could change if alternatives promise a better financial return.
I kind of 'flipped' the MRC concept in dc's post of 'more iron meeting' oil to 'more oil
meeting iron' via the greatly enhanced fracturing/conductivity recently taking place in the
shales.
Regarding multilaterals, the early (2007-2009) Bakken wells regularly contained 2 or 3
lateral from one vertical.
They used the term "turkey legs' and can still be easily seen on the ND DMR Gis map.
Virtually no one except Slawson still does this and even then, only rarely.
(Correction, might still be done in Madison formation, especially Bottineau county. Would
have to check. Gis map is easiest way to literally see this).
BHP said a year ago that they would attempt to try this in the future, but I've not kept
close track of their efforts.
Thank you very much coffee, I appreciate your kind words.
From what I have read MRC
technology is a great fit for a number of fields in the gulf countries and may be practical
in other places including USA. Of course one of the problems applying it here is that I think
you need a unitized field, or at least a very large area to be implemented.
I'm pretty sure you know a whole lot more about this stuff than I do.
I started digging into it a few years back when the series of stunningly high IPs started
to emerge from the Deep Utica.
Big buzz developed about feasibility of sharing hardware/facilities to develop Marcellus and
Utica together.
At that time, I was amazed to learn of the multi lateral, extended reach drilling
using ultra sophisticated whipstocks in the mid east, offshore, and – if memory serves
– Sakhalin. Probably do need large reservoir to be viable.
Time will tell if this approach makes sense in the shales. Like everything else, economics
will be the ultimate determinator.
The article says this: "On the supply side, global oil production advanced by 0.5 percent
to reach 92.2 million BPD." You know, factoring in both population growth and world economic
growth, this isn't much. There might be a crunch coming.
The 1973 so-called "oil embargo" which reduced oil supply to the USA by somewhere around 3%
or 4%. It slammed the US economy, caused the largest stock market crash since the great
depression, doubled gasoline prices, severely damaged US industry and caused a 55 MPH
national speed limit which remained in effect for ten years.
Just wait until we experience a 10% or 20% drop in oil supplies. In a few years or sooner
we certainly will. When it hits the economic and social damage will be catastrophic.
The end of Western Civilization, from China to Europe, to the US, will not occur when oil
runs out. The economic and social chaos will occur when supplies are merely reduced
sufficiently. As former Saudi Oil Minister Sheikh Yamani once said "The Oil Age may come to
an end for a shortage of oil".
They are talking about 25-30% and the verbage talks about it being in railcars . . . the
suggestion is it's part of the total Bakken flow of 1 million bpd. 25-30% of that is ethane?
What a scam this would be.
Someone wanted the public to know that the new Saudi clown prince Mohammed Bin Salman (MbS)
took up his new position by unceremoniously disposing his predecessor Mohammed bin Nayef (MbN)
by force. The juicy details, true or not, were briefed
to
Reuters,
the
Wall Street Journal and
the
New York Times on the same day:
As next in line to be king of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Nayef was unaccustomed to being told
what to do. Then, one night in June, he was summoned to a palace in Mecca, held against his
will and pressured for hours to give up his claim to the throne .
By dawn, he had given in, and Saudi Arabia woke to the news that it had a new crown
prince: the king's 31-year-old son, Mohammed bin Salman.
Bin Nayef was a darling of the CIA and his disposal was not welcome. It may well be that the
author of the tale of his ouster has his office in Langley, Virginia.
We had correctly
called
the MbN removal a coup and predicted that "the old al-Saud family king [..] will be
offed soon." From the current Reuters piece:
Quoting a witness at the palace, one Saudi source said King Salman this month pre-recorded a
statement in which he announces the transfer of the throne to his son. The announcement could
be broadcast at any time, perhaps as soon as September
We also wrote that "[m]any Arab peninsula citizens will want to see [the new clown prince's]
head on a pike."
The details of how MbS deposed the previous crown prince MbN will enrage further parts of
the Saudi citizens. Additional
leaks
about extensive MbS contacts
with Israel will increase the bad feelings against him. This especially as Israeli is further
encroaching
on the
al-Haram a-Sharif and the Al-Aqsa mosque on the (likely falsely) claimed Jewish temple
mount.
MbS' attempt to push Qatar around has,
as predicted
, failed. The four countries that had joined against Qatar
could not agree
to increase the pressure. The demands made to Qatar have now
been
retracted
. This is a huge loss of face for MbS and his Emirati mentor Mohammad bin Zayed.
The Saudi war against Yemen kills many civilians and costs lots of money but is militarily
lost. The announced big economic reforms have made no progress. The Gulf Cooperation Council is
defunct and may fall further apart.
Everything MbS has touched failed. His actions violate traditions and religious
commandments. His coup has set an example that can now be used against himself. It would not be
astonishing to see a revolt against Mohammed Bin Salman even before he is able to make himself
king.
thanks b.. i really resent the war on yemen by this asshole in power.. i hope he is gone soon
and for that matter - saudi arabia - israel - and all the rest of the rot contributing to
de-stability in the mid east all go the way of the dodo bird..
Recently, several articles, including the one above, at Southfront were republications of
items originating at a new--to me--site, other barflies may want to explore,
http://theantimedia.org/
JEDDAH: Saudi Arabia created a new apparatus for state security in Royal Decrees issued
Thursday.
The new body, State Security Presidency, will be cornered all matters related to state
security and be overseen by the king.
...
all matters related to combating terrorism and financial investigations to be separated
from the Ministry of Interior and added to the State Security Presidency.
Everything related to the Security Affairs Agency and other functions related to the
Ministry of Interior tasks including employees (civil and military), budgets, documents and
information are to be added to the State Security Presidency.
The (just newly installed) interior minister is said to be a friend of MbS but
he is from the family of MbN and thereby a danger. Must be disarmed ...
Sorry to monopolize the beginnings of this thread. At the end of his essay about events in
Mosul, Craig Murray has this to say about Saudi:
"The other interesting silence is from Saudi Arabia, which poses as the defender of Sunni
Islam throughout the world, but actually has no interest at all in it, except as a tool for
promoting the much more worldly interests of the Saudi elite....
"For the Saudi elite, the money they pumped into ISIS in Iraq was a trifle; Mosul ISIL
were pawns to be sacrificed and the Sunni civilian population of Mosul is no more important
to them. By the combination of funding the spread of Wahhabi ideology and providing unlimited
arms and organisational financing, the Saudis can pop up another Al Qaida, Al Nusra or ISIL
more or less anywhere, any time it seems useful. Meantime they are focused on cementing their
burgeoning axis of Saudi Arabia/Israel/USA to continue the violent promotion of Saudi
regional ambition."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/07/mosul-worse-srebrenica/
It now appears the Unipolarists are reduced to just 4 nations: Outlaw US Empire, UK,
Zionist Occupied Palestine, and Saudi Arabia. If Corbyn can become UK's PM, then that number
might get reduced to 3.
B: I think your last sentence is key. Some grown-ups, in the US and in the Gulf, leaked this
because they want to prevent current crown prince of becoming King, and hope to see him
replaced as future king before Salman bites the bullet.
I mean, Mohammed BS has shown how bad he is at managing slightly complex crises, be it Yemen,
current jihadi setbacks in Syria, or Qatar - the latter being the biggest indictment I
suppose, considering the long-term consequences. So, some smarter people want to push him out
before he can become king and weaken the Saudi kingdom to the breaking point.
Not sure what was meant by that, though: "on the (likely falsely) claimed Jewish temple
mount"
...According to our information, for the last 17 months (in other words, since the
announcement of the negotiations between Washington and Teheran, which have in fact been
proceeding for the last 27 months), Tel-Aviv has been engaged in secret negotiations with
Saudi Arabia. Extremely high-level delegations have met five times – in India, Italy
and the Czech Republic.
The cooperation between Tel-Aviv and Riyadh is part of the US plan to create a " Common
Arab Defence Force ", under the auspices of the Arab League, but under Israeli command.
This " Force " is already effective in Yemen, where Israeli pilots fly Saudi bombers within
the framework of an Arab Coalition whose headquarters have been installed by the Israelis
in Somaliland, a non-recognised state situated on the other side of the the Bab el-Mandeb
straits [1].
However, Riyadh does not intend to officialise this cooperation as long as Tel-Aviv
refuses the Arab Peace Initiative, presented to the Arab League in 2002 by Prince Abdullah
before he became king [2].
Israël and Saudi Arabia have reached agreement on several objectives.
On the political level :
To " democratise " the Gulf States, in other words, to associate the people in the
management of their countries, while affirming the intangibility of the the monarchy and
the Wahhabite way of life ; To change the political system in Iran (and no longer wage
war on Iran) ;
To create an independent Kurdistan in such a way as to weaken Iran, Turkey (despite
the fact that it is a long-standing ally of Israël), and Iraq (but not Syria, which
is already seriously weakened).
On the economic level :
To exploit the Rub'al-Khali oil-fields and organise a federation between Saudi
Arabia, Yemen, and perhaps Oman and the United Arab Emirates ;
To exploit the Ogaden oil-fields, under Ethiopian control, secure the Yemeni port of
Aden, and build a bridge linking Djibouti and Yemen.
In other words, while Tel-Aviv and Riyadh are making the best of a bad deal, and
accepting that two thirds of Iraq, Syria, and half of Lebanon will be controlled by Iran,
they intend :
To ensure that Iran gives up on the exportation of its revolution ;
To control the rest of the region by excluding Turkey, which took over from Saudi
Arabia in the supervision of international terrorism, and has just lost in Syria...
Do not underestimate the power of the religious autorities. When I was there (admittedly
many, many years ago), the monarchy was very careful to always have their agreement for any
policy change. Even now with the strict laws governing behaviour (ie. Women, TV and prayers)
their impact on ordinary Saudi society apparently hasn't changed much. It may have even got
worse.
So the Clown prince's closer ties with Israel - are going to be under close scrutiny.
Particularly if Netanyhu continues with the "isolation" and alienation of the Al-Aqsa mosque.
Note that the numbers of people hurt in IDF actions against demonstrators has been totally
under-reported, if at all. (reported 70 the first day and 35 another. Those wounded include
an Imam.)
This is going to pose an ethical problem for ALL the Gulf states. They will have to be seen
doing something to retain credibility.
On a jovial note; The traditional way, if the reigning Leader did not hand down part of
the money to the other tribesmen according to tradition - was to slit his throat. (The King
gets it all, then hands down part of it to Princes, who then hand down part of what they
recieved to tribesmen and so on right to the bottom. (widows in the Souk with no family).
When there is a lot this works fine. I do not know if this will work when there is less to go
round.)
"Israel is going to build a new field hospital in the Israeli-occupied part of the Golan
Heights in Syria. According to the Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Koler, the hospital will be
located on the Syrian side of the fence build by Israel in the Golan Heights and may become
operational next month."
The United Arab Emirates orchestrated the hacking of Qatari government news and social media
sites in order to post incendiary false quotes attributed to Qatar's emir, Sheikh Tamim Bin
Hamad al-Thani, in late May that sparked the ongoing upheaval between Qatar and its
neighbors, according to U.S. intelligence officials.
Officials became aware last week that newly analyzed information gathered by U.S.
intelligence agencies confirmed that on May 23, senior members of the UAE government
discussed the plan and its implementation . The officials said it remains unclear whether the
UAE carried out the hacks itself or contracted to have them done.
That the UAE and/or the Saudis were involved in the hack was pretty clear from the get go.
They were the only ones who had a clear motive. Qatar already
had
specific evidence
for the source of the hacking. Congressional anti-Russian sources ignored that and
accused
,
as
usual
, Russia and Putin.
Tillerson's real message is not the hacking accusation. The hacks themselves are not
relevant to the spat and to Tillerson's efforts to defuse it. The "leak" sets the UAE and Saudi
leadership on notice that the U.S. has sources and methods to learn of their government's
innermost discussions. The real threat to them is that other dirt could be released from the
same source.
It is doubtful that this threat will change the minds of these rulers. They believe in their
own invincibility. Ian Welsh describes the mindset in his prediction of
The Death of Saudi Arabia
and
other Gulf states:
This is fairly standard: all dynasties go bad eventually because the kings-to-be grow up in
wealth and power and think it's the natural state of things: that they are brilliant and
deserve it all, when it was handed them on a platter . Perhaps they are good at palace
intrigue and think that extends beyond the palace.
It doesn't.
Welsh comes to the same conclusion
as I did
when the recent GCC infighting broke out:
No matter how the spat with Qatar ends, the GCC unity has (again) been exposed as a sham. It
can not be repaired. Saudi "leadership" is shown to be just brutal bullying and will be
resisted. U.S. plans for a united GCC under Saudi leadership and U.S. control are in
shambles.
...
The Saudi under their new leadership overestimate their capabilities. So did Trump when he
raised their role. The Saudi "apes with Macbooks" do not have the capabilities needed for a
serious political actor in this world. Their money can paper over that for only so long.
The step Tillerson and some "intelligence officials" now took may be a sign panic. The
"leak" revealed "sources and methods". Like every other government the UAE senior officials
suspect that the U.S. is trying to listen to their internal deliberations. But they now know
for sure. The specific date given in the "leak" will help them to take some countermeasures.
Leaking "sources and methods" is not done lightly. That it has to resort to such measures shows
that the U.S. administration is not in control of the situation.
During the fall of the Ottoman empire Britain
created
today's
Saudi Arabia. Two world wars exhausted Britain's power. The U.S. took over the management of
the empire including the Gulf states. It needs Saudi Arabia for its fossil energy and the
related reserve currency status of the U.S. dollar. Unrest in Saudi Arabia is not in the U.S.
interest but such is now in sight. The "leak" is just a tactical measure of an inexperienced
administration. It is not enough to defuse or mitigate the conflict and its consequences.
What strategies will Washington develop to counter the foreseeable instability in Saudi
Arabia and other Gulf states?
The petro dollar has been around some time now and has given US control of the world trade
currency. As far rich kids being handed everything on a platter, the US government is no
different to the Saudi's. This will be interesting.
Nothing beyond sell them weapons and eavesdropping technology. But this only buys some
time, and time unfortunately for the GCC countries, isn't on their side.
With increasing swiftness, across the world technologies are being improved on and
invented which will eventually wean everyone off fossil fuels. This won't happen overnight,
and even when it does, petroleum will still have value as it is used in innumerable
applications. But the price will fall, making the latest crash look like a road bump. When
that happens, the show's over folks. The GCC countries will become ungovernable, then
uninhabitable. There simply are too many people, too few resources.
The only hope the GCC states have is to diversify their economies. Not MBS's 'Prosperity
through Austerity' but a multi-pronged tract to develop all critical sectors. The UAE and
Qatar are trying, but betting the house on finance and real estate to the detriment of
everything else. Petro dollars are still propping up those houses of cards. Oman is the only
one seemingly doing things right: good relations with neighbors, trade, and developing
domestic industry. If the rest of the GCC doesn't follow Oman's lead, they are simply
finished.
Thanks for calling the trolling. Its comment was almost 100% disinformation.
In answer to b's query, the Outlaw US Empire cannot save itself let alone any of its
vassals. They will be used until they are no longer of use. And that time is rapidly
approaching. Although, the Qataris seem best positioned to avoid extinction.
Now that I know of them, I get to purchase Mark Curtis's line of books documenting British
Imperialism and its association with terrorism. Thanks b!
The United States and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are ontologically inseparable. You can't
have one without the other. The penetration of the U.S. deep state by al-Saud -- whether it's
D.C. think tanks or Fortune 500 executive boards -- is complete.
Tillerson knows this, that's why his "woe is me"
shuttle diplomacy
is nothing more than Kabuki.
This doesn't mean that al-Thani is without wires into the U.S. deep state; it has plenty.
That's what makes this GCC throw-down so delightful. The U.S. is at a point where it can no
longer sublate all the contradictions produced by its hegemony.
Re: hack:
Perhaps we shouldnt accept claims about UAE just like that. Lets be honest.
I agree. Consider the source at WAPO. Some credibility gap there. I would guess that
Tillerson is not the sole source for whatever might have been leaked (if not invented).
Also, as far as sources and methods, it's one thing to burn an inside informer type of
asset, but leaking SIGINT in the form of general pronouncements without physical evidence
doesn't burn the source, only indicates a potential weakness in the cyber defenses of the
target. For all we know there was no hack, per se, given that a lot of US and allied
contractors were probably in on the installation and operation of UAE computer systems.
My impression, not to contradict b's analysis but to propose a direction of thought, is
that the WAPO is promulgating a brag, that the US can look up anyone's skirt anytime and tell
whatever they want. Thus, reminding the players that they'd better stay in line, as b
states.
Considering Saudi Arabia's creation, its falling to pieces would be considered Nature's
reaction to an artificial construct. Soon, instead of Saudis buying Outlaw US Empire
weaponry, it will be asking for handouts as it did during its formative years when the UK
held its reins. Given its role in the violent histories of the British and Outlaw US Empires,
the remaining nations of the planet will be quite pleased to see its demise--even more so
given that the three constitute the nest for Global Terrorism. Dan Glazebrook's series
detailing the history of "British collusion with sectarian violence" at RT, one of which b
linked to, are well worth the time; this links to the first installment,
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/338247-uk-extremists-syria-isis-violence/
It seems that it is not the US, but Israel which owns the most advanced spying hacking
technology. The US sublet fiber optic data interception to Israeli companies NARUS and
Verint. These companies have since been folded (hidden) into other multinational holding
companies, but still (Boeing, Carlisle Group).
When is this a good idea for "National Security" (which is the constant refrain when
withholding information from the public)?
It seems that it is not the US, but Israel which owns the most advanced spying hacking
technology. The US sublet fiber optic data interception to Israeli companies NARUS and
Verint. These companies have since been folded (hidden) into other multinational holding
companies, but still (Boeing, Carlisle Group).
When is this a good idea for "National Security" (which is the constant refrain when
withholding information from the public)?
The step Tillerson and some "intelligence officials" now took may be a sign >[of]<
panic.
Posted by b on July 17, 2017 at 02:33 PM | Permalink
The last monarch to get "mixed messages" from USA was the late Shah of Iran. Qatar and
"Saudi" Arabia, take note.
Voltaire network is pushing an interesting deep analysis that we are witnessing ex-Empire
strikes back, with the Occulted British ex-Empire putin' [haha] the finishing touches on
their expulsion of the ex-Colonial Empire from "their" sphere of influence (aptly named by
the slimy blood sucking limeys as "their" "Middle East").
The dismantling of the "Hyperpower" is nearly complete. Bankster power remains
untouched.
thanks b.. i have been yammering on about 2020 as a critical turning point in world events
and that saudi arabia is very central to all this.. in my astro comments on nov 2, 2013 i
stated "below is a chart for the next conjunction of saturn/pluto set to riyadh. this exact
conjunction happens only once in early 2020, but i suspect given how close it is to the astro
positions in the 1902 chart for saudi arabia, that if this chart has legs, this conjunction
is going to bring about a transformation of present day saudi arabia and it will probably not
be a pretty or easy transition given the issue of terrorism associated with these religious
groups i have also mentioned.. saturn and pluto have a connection to terrorism as i
understand it and were in the long opposition at the time of 9-11 as well... on the other
hand, perhaps it indicates a further clamp down on freedoms and a type of totalitarianism. i
suspect it will fluctuate between the two.. and, it is probably already in the process of
developing here in 2013.. " from
this thread..
@8 mike maloney... i fully concur to your words here: "The U.S. is at a point where it can
no longer sublate all the contradictions produced by its hegemony."
saudi arabia and the world by extension are going to look very differently come 2020...
lol - how is that for a lousy astro prediction? that is like saying, tomorrow things will
look differently.. of course i have mentioned this about saudi arabia in the past at
moa...
i enjoyed the article "The Death of Saudi Arabia".. it was fun reading the comments to
that post too.. i recognized a few regulars in the comment section from sst and moa..
The US continues the strategy they have started less than decade ago: Weaken Saudi Arabia to
the point it will accept a peace deal with Israel.
The US threw the Saudis into the Syrian quagmire, the Egyptian quagmire, then in the Yemen
quagmire, now in the Qatar quagmire.
When the Saudi kingdom will come out of these, it will be exhausted and in a state of terror
in front of the Iranian steadily growing political and economical strength. The threat of the
collapse to their family ruled system is looming.
The USA seems to have accepted that the Iran Islamic republic's semi-democratic system is
here to stay and evolve while the GCC autocratic monarchies are threatened of extinction.
Buying billions of weapons from the USA seems to give these dying entities the illusion that
the USA is on their side. In fact the USA has been backstabbing them continuously thus
weakening them by the day and preparation for their collapse.
The emirates will have make reforms of a democratic nature if they want to survive.
Saudi Arabia is doomed.
I have seen a lot of confusion/deception as to the nature/history of the Arabia. In order
to understand history properly, one must be willingly open-minded and examine as much
evidence as possible. Especially, evidence that is contrary to your understanding. This takes
intellectual honesty, critical thinking, and courage. History is written by the
winners/manipulators. You rarely hear from the other side. Meaning, you never get the
complete picture. Therefore, you cannot get historical accuracy unless you do a bit a honest
digging. Ex., Anybody with a working brain stem understands that the official story of 9-11
is a big pile of Donkey Doughnuts.
I am not a biblical scholar nor am I very religiously inclined. I prefer historical
accuracy over warm and fuzzy beliefs.
I realize there are many readers who are religious and may be ingrained in their beliefs.
What I am presenting below will challenge your root understandings. Please try to have an
open mind and use logic, reason, evidence(both pro and con), and patterns of behavior to
better your knowledge base. Below are links pertaining to the Arabia/Israel:
Second external link from above article. You need to use Google translate for this
article. The Israeli Govt loves to scrub inconvenient facts about their history.
http://www.hayadan.org.il/bible-no-evidence-291099/
To find a cure, one must address the root causes of the illness - Sloopyjoe
In May of last year I was attempting to figure out if there was an asymmetric play to be had
in the land of sand and black gloop. There were a lot of moving pieces to deal with. I think
it's worth revisiting but first it's worth reviewing what I thought just over a year ago. Much
has subsequently happened so we can piece a little bit more together now.
Only Two
Options For The Saudi Sheikhs
A few years ago, when living in Phuket, Thailand, a group of
Saudis stayed for a week's holiday in a neighboring villa. Outside of the religious and social
confines of the land of black gold and endless sand, this group made a bunch of spoiled 5-year
olds left to run amok in a candy shop without adult supervision look positively angelic. They
were very visible, with an entourage of young Thai "ladies" and a fleet of Land Cruisers to
haul them about. On one occasion, after my son witnessed one of the guys buying a beer and
throwing a US$100 bill at the waiter, telling him to keep the change, he asked me how come they
had so much money to waste. I explained that Saudi Arabia has two things in abundance: sand and
oil. And though the world doesn't need sand as much as it does oil, they have grown very
wealthy selling the oil to the rest of the world. Depending on whose numbers you take,
somewhere between 75% and 85% of Saudi Arabia's revenues come from oil exports, and fully 90%
of revenues come from oil and gas. Clearly the Kingdom is dependent on oil revenues in the same
way that an infant is dependent on its mother's milk. And unless you've been living under a
rock for the last few years, you'll have noticed that the price of oil has collapsed. Now, in a
"normal" market the reduced revenues would manifest in a weaker local currency as demand for
Riyals declines. But governments and central bankers don't believe in "normal" markets and so
the Saudi riyal has been pegged at 3.75 to the US dollar since 1986. It's not hard to see a
situation where Saudi Arabia may very well be forced to de-peg the currency to curb the fall in
the country's FX reserves should low oil prices persist. Let's look at some of the potential
catalysts for this.
Could Yellen Kill The Peg?
While the Sheiks contemplate how to deal
with their predicament from diamond encrusted cars and
golden toilets,
across the pond we find that monetary policy in the US has been tightening
albeit modestly. What's important to understand is that in order for Saudi Arabia to maintain
its currency peg it needs to follow FED monetary policy. By following Yellen the Saudis land up
sacrificing growth, and by diverging they sacrifice FX reserves in order to maintain the peg.
Clearly neither are attractive propositions. According to the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency
(SAMA), for every 100 basis point increase in the Saudi Interbank Offered Rate (SIBOR) this
leads to a 90 basis point decline in GDP in the subsequent quarter, and a further 95 basis
points in the following quarter. Falling GDP in a country where over 60% of the population are
under 30 brings about its own set of problems. Political instability in the Kingdom has been
rising and the royal family is increasingly fighting for survival. After all, they had the
experience of watching the Arab Spring unfold on their flat screens. If, on the other hand,
they opt not to follow the stumpy lady, the gap between interest rates in the US and Saudi
Arabia will be quickly exploited by people like me as arbitrage opportunities open up. So this
is what we're all looking at right now: SAMA will have to buy riyals in the open market by
selling from its hoard of dollar reserves. Any rise in interest rates in the US will mean SAMA
will have to further deplete reserves. As I have mentioned before,
all pegs eventually break.
The
question is one of timing. How long do the Sheiks have under current oil prices? The falling
oil price since mid-2014, has significantly reduced Saudi Arabian revenues. So much so that the
scorecard for 2015 showed a deficit of $98bn, and SAMA is estimating a further $87bn deficit
this year. The Saudi government have been funding this deficit by drawing down on forex
reserves, spending $132bn in the year to January of this year. With current prices and current
reserves they can easily last another 4 years. Some things I'm thinking about:
Iran will bring additional supply to a market in surplus. Saudi Arabia will be forced to
keep the pedal to the metal on production, not wanting to lose any market share. And so I'm
not convinced we'll see oil rising in the next 12 to 24 months.
Internal domestic political pressures can be "addressed" with creating an external
pressure or conflict. It wouldn't be the first time.
We're in a US dollar bull market as I've stated
here,
here,
and
here
and many other times. Dollar strength will put pressure on the price of oil and thus
revenues to the Kingdom.
This could certainly get interesting and traders have begun
speculating on a de-pegging from the dollar. Should low oil prices persist for the next 3 to
4 years, Saudi Arabia will be forced to decide whether it prefers to either cut the
production or loosen the currency peg. I could be wrong but I feel like it's too early to
play this trade and the costs of entry are not astoundingly cheap. Saudi Arabia has almost no
debt and can easily access the credit markets. With debt to GDP of just 2% they have a lot of
room to move. Coupled with the upcoming partial listing of Aramco their ability to tap
international markets for capital is certainly a factor I'm not sure all currency speculators
are considering. What is worth watching are neighbour states. While Kuwait, Qatar, and the
UAE all have dollar pegs, they too have vast central bank reserves and sovereign wealth
funds. But what looks pretty precarious to me are Oman and Bahrain who could run out of
reserves in less than three years. Both these countries have resorted to issuing debt to
extend the longevity of their reserves but issuing dollar denominated debt which is
essentially asset underwritten by the price of oil in an environment of persistently low oil
prices certainly looks like a precarious bet to be making. Investors looking for asymmetry in
markets will do well paying attention to the currency markets, and existing dollar pegged
currencies in particular. As I mentioned before all pegs break, and the returns that can be
made in such situations are of the life changing variety. – Chris "If Saudi Arabia was
without the cloak of American protection, I don't think it would be around." – Donald
Trump
Ok, so that was over 12 months ago. Fast forward to today and we have some of the
answers... and we're a little further down the road.
Oil
Still looks like isht. The supply and demand setup hasn't gotten any better, and this is
not what the house of Saud wants. Nothing shocking to what we expected
anyway.
Rates
The tubby lady at the FED has gone ahead with a divergent policy (raising rates). As you
can see, I discussed in that article what effect the raising of rates could (or would have)
on the finances in Saudi Arabia. Again, nothing we never expected.
Conflict
I penned an article on
Qatar here.
I
do think the spat with Qatar has less to do with them than it has to do with Iran and with
the Saudi's domestic problems - both financial and political. In the article above, I
mentioned some stupid conflict but wouldn't have put it up there as a probability over 50%.
And yet now it's happening in real time. Does it subside, does it blow up, or something
else?
The question I think we need to ask ourselves today is this: now that the conditions
have been met that do nothing to assist the Saudis with their finances (and at the same
time they've chosen a path of "external" enemy) where does that leave us with original idea
of looking for an asymmetric payoff on the riyal having to de-peg their currency?
I'm watching the dollar index very, very closely. If we break higher, then the Saudis
will have a very, very serious problem on their hands as their balance sheet blows out.
This could get interesting... and profitable.
- Chris
"Rockefeller once explained the secret of success. Get up early, work late - and strike
oil." -- Joey Adams
"... "Libyans enjoyed the highest quality of life in all of Africa. Libyan citizens enjoyed free universal health care from prenatal to geriatric, free education from elementary school to post-graduate studies and free or subsidized housing. We were told that Gaddafi ripped off the nation's oil wealth for himself when in reality Libya's oil wealth was used to improve the quality of life for all Libyans. ..."
"... We were told that Libya had to be rebuilt from scratch because Gaddafi had not allowed the development of national institutions. If we knew that infant mortality had been seriously reduced, life expectancy increased and health care and education made available to everyone, we might have asked, "How could all that be accomplished without the existence of national institutions?" ..."
"Libyans enjoyed the highest quality of life in all of Africa. Libyan citizens enjoyed free
universal health care from prenatal to geriatric, free education from elementary school to post-graduate
studies and free or subsidized housing. We were told that Gaddafi ripped off the nation's oil
wealth for himself when in reality Libya's oil wealth was used to improve the quality of life
for all Libyans.
We were told that Libya had to be rebuilt from scratch because Gaddafi had not allowed the
development of national institutions. If we knew that infant mortality had been seriously reduced,
life expectancy increased and health care and education made available to everyone, we might have
asked, "How could all that be accomplished without the existence of national institutions?"
Knowledge is the antidote to propaganda and brainwashing which is exactly why it is being increasingly
controlled and restricted."
State-owned gas monopoly ahead of schedule on politically important Siberian pipeline
The Power of Siberia gas pipeline, the first to connect Russia and China, will start pumping
in December 2019, Gazprom said on Tuesday, paving the way for a 30-year supply agreement of more
than 1.15tn cubic metres of gas for the Kremlin-controlled export monopoly
Mr Miller's affirmation is important. The project, which will cost Gazprom more than $55bn
just to build the necessary infrastructure to get the gas flowing, is one of the most critical
investments for Russia's energy sector, which has targeted a long-term strategic supply link with
China to match its market penetration in Europe. ..
Power of Siberia is expected to run significantly below capacity in its first few years
of operation, as China instead runs down its domestic gas reserves. The 30-year supply agreement
is set to kick in around 2025 .
####
The report's loaded with info. Production can certainly be increased, but it's all the
other infrastructure that's required for the market to expand, particularly regasification
terminals.
The Saudis tried to make a public IPO of Aramco a while back. This has fizzled, probably in
recognition of the fact that Saudi is almost running on empty. One reason behind the Qatar
lunacy might be a wish to take over Qatar's resources to keep Saudi solvent for a while at
least.
interview with Chas Freeman last week: Qatar Crisis Could Lead to War: Veteran US Diplomat
if you don't know who Chas is, please wiki was ambassador to Saudi, was Nixon's
interpreter in China, that's right, he speaks mandarin and arabic not just knowledgeable,
also very funny remember when AIPAC vetoed his appointment by Obama?
Yes, that's exactly how that Reuters story reads to me too. The prime target is the US.
Extraordinarily powerful move by Qatar, using a weapon that it knows and owns completely and
in massive scale, and with an understanding of the damage it can do to its enemies.
Asymmetrical warfare indeed. Priceless.
~~
I'm really hoping that over the years, as Qatar rubs shoulders with the multi-polar world,
it will reform itself to renounce and atone for its former support of terrorism. As I watch
its moves in this situation I'm struck with a certain admiration. It would be nice to be able
to root for it someday as one of the good guys.
Unless the Saudis can reconfigure their economy and train their populous to do actual
work, their kingdom will sink ..
karlof1 at 1
This is impossible.
Laguerre at 10. > see also response from karlof1 at 20.
The curse of black gold + a rentier economy coupled with an authoritarian repressive State
that enslaves the 'people.' The two are often soldered: dominating class capts the profits
and co-opts slave labor, and pays off citizens with 'stipends.' Escaping or changing such a
template is imho incredibly difficult or impossible in the case of KSA.
The rentier class, aka Royals and hangers-on is several tens of thousands of ppl, not
detailed on wiki. (Comp. with US not the 1%, but the 20%..) In fact it is one of the problems
of such arrangements, some gang of 'hangers on' has to be appeased and maintained, they have
quite some power. Because the 'authoritarian' schema deploys in a clear top-down, to down
further, a fixed ladder - way, and once some lower layer is stiffed, objections and
obstructions may fly and richochet to the top. For the system to endure, these HAVE to be
appeased.
A power sharing scheme like this also mandates that women are kept from acting in any way.
The easiest and cheapest way to control half the population, plus all children, ask the MB,
the Taliban, KSA.
The crazed moves of the new Prince are vain attempts to escape the self-constructed trap.
Floundering, flailing, about, considering that killing others, war, (e.g. Yemen), engaging in
aggro (Qatar) might help - as that might please the USA, who encourages all aggro and sells
arms, etc. Won't end well for KSA for sure all Internationals are wondering who will grab
what when collapse it is.
Try to put aside, for the moment, the insufferable arrogance of American meddling in Europe's
energy market, with a view to restricting its choice while – laughably – pretending it is broadening
European energy options.
The readers and commenters of this blog will be well aware, since it has been a topic of discussion
for years here, that a critical underpinning of the western plan to seize Ukraine and wrest it into
the western orbit was the premise that Russia would be forced by simple momentum to go along with
it. As long as events continued to unfold too quickly to get ahead of, Russia would have to help
supply the sinews of its own destruction. And a big part of that was the assumption that Russia would
help to finance Ukraine's transition to a powerful western fulcrum upon which to apply leverage against
it, through continued trade with Ukraine and continued transit of Europe's energy supply through
Ukraine's pipeline system.
But Russia slapped a trade embargo on most Ukrainian goods, and rescinded its tariff-free status
as it became clear Brussels planned to use it to stovepipe European trade goods into the Russian
market, through Ukraine – thus crushing domestic industries which would not be able to compete on
economically-favorable terms. The armchair strategists nearly shit a brick when construction of the
South Stream pipeline commenced, bypassing Ukraine and depriving it of about $2 billion annually
in transit fees. But
pressure ultimately forced Bulgaria to throw a wrench into the works, and the pipeline plans
were shelved, to much victory dancing in the west. There was
not quite as much happy-dancing in Bulgaria , but they were only ever a pawn anyway.
Sidebar for a moment, here; while the $2 Billion annually in transit fees is extremely important,
Ukraine's pre-crisis GDP was $163 Billion. The funds realized for transit fees are important because
(a) Russia has to pay them and (b) the west will have to come up with the equivalent in aid if Ukraine
loses out on them. But the real value intrinsic to Ukraine as a transit country is its physical
reality as an interface for Russian gas transit to Europe – what is a bridge can be easily turned
into a wall. Any time Washington thinks Russia needs some more shit on its face, Ukraine can be prodded
to announce a doubling of its transit fees, or to kick off some other dispute which the popular press
will adroitly spin to make Russia appear to be an unreliable supplier. Therefore, it is essential
to western strategy that significant amounts of Russian gas continue to transit Ukraine. Sufficiently
so that Europe continues to evolve
ever-more-desperate contingency plans in order to keep receiving gas through the country which
was known to have provoked the previous shutoff of European supplies by siphoning Europe-bound gas
for its own use. That's despite the assurances of Germany and western partners of Gazprom in the
Nord Stream line that it will mean cheaper gas prices for Europe.
"... Mohammed ben Nayef Al Saoud was considered as the US's man. He has been trained first in Oregon, then later by the FBI and Scotland Yard. He obtained results in struggles against Al-Qaeda dissidents. With his removal, the hopes of the Nayef branch coming to the throne have come to an end. ..."
"... Mohammed ben Salmane does not have an academic training. At the very most, he is the holder of a baccalaureate awarded by a local school, and we do not know if you actually need to study to obtain this qualification. ..."
"... Washington had approved the chosen solution to the issue of succession. This solution had been adopted by 31 of 34 members of the allegiance council (the Family Council). It skips two generations. Henceforth, Mohammad ben Salmane is placing young people at the head of different administrations of the country, a country where the average age of the population is 27 years. ..."
King Salmane ben Abdelaziz Al Saoud (81 years old) has removed from office 57 year old Emir Mohammed
ben Nayef Al Saoud. The latter was the Crown Prince, Vice-Prime Minister and the Minister of Home
Affairs, all at the same time.
De facto, the King's son, Prince Mohammed ben Salmane Al Saoud (31 years), will become the new
Crown Prince.
Mohammed ben Nayef Al Saoud was considered as the US's man. He has been trained first in Oregon,
then later by the FBI and Scotland Yard. He obtained results in struggles against Al-Qaeda dissidents.
With his removal, the hopes of the Nayef branch coming to the throne have come to an end.
Mohammed ben Salmane does not have an academic training. At the very most, he is the holder
of a baccalaureate awarded by a local school, and we do not know if you actually need to study to
obtain this qualification. He made his political debut as the assistant to his father, first
the Governor of Riyadh and then the Minister of Defense. When Salmane becomes king in 2015, Mohammed
succeeded his father as the Minister of Defense and engaged his country's troops in the disastrous
conflict in Yemen. Having royal power at his disposition, he launched a vast project for economic
reform (Vision 2030), which ushered in the privatization of Aramco (the country's only source of
revenue) and his country's development beyond the oil sector. He is particularly well known for his
jet-set life-style and for buying a yacht, Serene, for half a billion euro.
It seems that King Salmane should shortly abdicate, leaving his son in charge. Thus the difficult
question of succession is provisionally settled, in a country where up until now was governed by
a rule requiring the oldest son of the dynasty's founder to accede to power. Thus the current king,
King Salmane, is the 25th of Abdelaziz ben Abderrahmane Al Saoud's 53 sons.
At King Abdallah's death (January 2015), his half brother, Prince Moukrine ben Abdelaziz Al Saoud,
had been appointed Crown Prince. But three months later (April 2015), he had been rudely cut out
of the order of succession, something quite unprecedented. He was replaced by Prince Mohammed ben
Nayef, who in turn has just been removed from the picture.
As a consolation prize, the Nayefs secured that a son-in-law of Prince Mohammed ben Nayef replaces
him at the Ministry of Home Affairs. It would be a son-in-law and not a son, because Prince Mohammed
ben Nayef did not have male progeny.
The next king, Mohammed, could rule for about fifty years. But were he to die, then his eldest
son, also a minor, would succeed him.
Washington had approved the chosen solution to the issue of succession. This solution had been
adopted by 31 of 34 members of the allegiance council (the Family Council). It skips two generations.
Henceforth, Mohammad ben Salmane is placing young people at the head of different administrations
of the country, a country where the average age of the population is 27 years.
"... Was the downing of the Russian Su-24 Erdogan's "oil revenge" for Turkey's losses from the destruction of oil smugglers' truck fleet bombed by the Russian Air Force in Syria? Or maybe it is just the tip of a very big iceberg, F. William Engdahl asks. ..."
"... Still, whatever profits Erdogan is purportedly receiving from oil smuggling it is highly unlikely that the Turkish President would sacrifice Russo-Turkish relations for some fishy business. ..."
"... My masculine intuition tells me that Recep Erdogan would never risk such a dangerous bold and illegal action against Russia on whom Turkey depends for 50% of her natural gas imports and a huge part of her tourism dollar earnings merely because the family ISIS oil business was being bombed away by Russian jets," the researcher underscores." ..."
"... Engdahl expresses his confidence that there were "clearly serious silent backers" encouraging Erdogan to launch an attack on the Russian Su-24 plane. ..."
"... Indeed, despite Ankara's hardly convincing explanation of the treacherous attack, almost all NATO leaders have sided with Turkey, justifying its "act of self-defense." ..."
"... Interestingly enough, US warmongering neocons have repeatedly called for "shooting down" Russian planes. ..."
Was the downing of the Russian Su-24 Erdogan's "oil revenge" for Turkey's losses from the
destruction of oil smugglers' truck fleet bombed by the Russian Air Force in Syria? Or maybe it is
just the tip of a very big iceberg, F. William Engdahl asks.
... ... ...
Engdahl calls attention to reports saying that Israel's IDF was spotted messing with ISIL in the
Golan Heights region. Engdahl also refers to Israeli media outlets narrating that since June 2014,
Israel imported about 75 percent of its oil needs from Iraq. It still remains unclear whether the
oil was transported from the Kurdish area of Iraq. Still, some independent sources claim that Iraqi
oil is being smuggled by ISIL to Turkey and then redistributed to Israel via Turkey's Mediterranean
port of Ceyhan.
Engdahl cites Chris Dalby, an analyst with Oilprice.com, who characterized ISIL as "a largely
independent financial machine" due to its numerous oil fields in Iraq and Syria.
Still, whatever profits Erdogan is purportedly receiving from oil smuggling it is highly unlikely
that the Turkish President would sacrifice Russo-Turkish relations for some fishy business.
"My masculine intuition tells me that Recep Erdogan would never risk such a dangerous
bold and illegal action against Russia on whom Turkey depends for 50% of her natural gas imports
and a huge part of her tourism dollar earnings merely because the family ISIS oil business was
being bombed away by Russian jets," the researcher underscores."
Engdahl expresses his confidence that there were "clearly serious silent backers" encouraging
Erdogan to launch an attack on the Russian Su-24 plane.
Indeed, despite Ankara's hardly convincing explanation of the treacherous attack, almost all
NATO leaders have sided with Turkey, justifying its "act of self-defense."
Interestingly enough, US warmongering neocons have repeatedly called for "shooting down" Russian
planes.
In considering the terrifying but also sadly predictable news of a Russian fighter jet being downed
by two Turkish fighters, let's start with one almost certain assumption - an assumption that no doubt
is also being made by the Russian government: Turkey's action, using US-supplied F-16 planes, was
taken with the full knowledge and advance support of the US. In fact, given Turkey's vassal status
as a member of US-dominated NATO, it could well be that Ankara was put up to this act of brinksmanship
by the US.
What makes the downing of the Russian jet, and the reported death of at least one of its two pilots
(the other was reportedly captured alive by pro-turkish Turkmen fighters on the Syrian side of the
Syria-Turkish border, and will presumably be returned to Russia) so dangerous is that as a member
of NATO, supposedly a "mutual assistance" treaty that binds all members to come to the defense of
one that is attacked, if Russia were to retaliate by downing a Turkish military plane, NATO countries
including the US would be obligated to come to Turkey's defense.
"... The cooperation between U.S. and Turkish military and especially the air forces is quite tight. It is hard to believe that there was no communication about what was prepared to happen. ..."
"... It does not make sense to destroy the Syrian state and to just hope that the outcome would be something better than an emboldened IS or AlQaeda ruling in Damascus. That outcome is certainly not in Europe's interest. But a global coalition is not in U.S. or Turkish interests. It would end their common plans and efforts to overthrow the Syrian government and to install a "Sunni" state in Syria and Iraq as a Turkish protectorate. ..."
"... Obama continues his immensely destructive policies in the Middle East with zero regard to the all the bad outcomes these are likely to have for the people there as well as for Europe. One again wonders if all these action follow from sheer incompetence or from some devilish, ingenious strategic planning. ..."
"... Very good article. One minor quibble. While it's true that it is common practice to use the name of the head of state to denote a state's actions, the US is simply not governed by whoever is elected by its people. Since the coup in 1963 no president has really had control of the US's foreign policy. US presidents, after JFK's assassination, have essentially been the song-and-dance men for the military-industrial complex. Obama couldn't turn this ship around if he tried. Of course, he won't try. ..."
"... Erdogan's problem is clear - Russia is going after his family's business ties. Are British business ties involved, too? ..."
But there is also a bigger game going on and it is likely that Erdogan has
a new contract and Obama's backing for this escalation. James Winnefeld, the deputy chief of
General Staff of the U.S. military,
was in Ankara when the incident happened. The cooperation between U.S. and Turkish military
and especially the air forces is quite tight. It is hard to believe that there was no communication
about what was prepared to happen.
After the Islamic State attack in France President Hollande attempted to create a global coalition
against IS which would include Russia and Iran as well as the U.S. led anti-ISIS block. But such
a coalition, which makes a lot of sense, would have to agree to leave Syria alone and to help Syrian
ground forces to effectively fight the Islamic State. It does not make sense to destroy the Syrian
state and to just hope that the outcome would be something better than an emboldened IS or AlQaeda
ruling in Damascus. That outcome is certainly not in Europe's interest. But a global coalition is
not in U.S. or Turkish interests. It would end their common plans and efforts to overthrow the Syrian
government and to install a "Sunni" state in Syria and Iraq as a Turkish protectorate.
The Russian jet incident decreased the likelihood of such a coalition. Holland, visiting Washington
yesterday, had to pull back with his plan and was again degraded to parrot Obama's "Assad must go"
nonsense. Obama feels
emboldened and now pushes to widen the conflict in Syria:
The Obama administration is using the current moment of extreme anger and anxiety in Europe to
press allies for sharp increases in their contributions to the fight against the Islamic State.
Suggestions include more strike aircraft, more intelligence-sharing, more training and equipment
for local fighters, and deployment of their own special operations forces.
...
While new contributions would be added to anti-Islamic State campaigns across the board, the attention
is clearly on Syria, marking a shift in what began as an "Iraq first" focus when Obama authorized
airstrikes in the region last fall.
...
Obama, speaking beside Hollande on Tuesday, restated his insistence that Assad is part
of the problem, not the solution, and that he must go.
The Obama administration is also preparing to install the Turkish dream of a "safe zone" between
Aleppo and the Turkish border north of it.
Among several coalition priorities in Syria, the United States has begun a series of airstrikes
in an area known as the "Mar'a line," named for a town north of Aleppo in the northwest. There,
a 60-mile stretch to the Euphrates River in the east is the only remaining part of the Syria-Turkey
border under Islamic State control.
The administration had delayed beginning operations in the area because U.S. aircraft were
needed in operations farther east, and it has been uncertain that local opposition forces would
be able to hold the territory if it could be cleared with airstrikes.
The increased Russian air defense and the likely increase of its deployed planes will make those
"safe zone" plans impossible.
But Obama, in my conclusion, still wants to drag NATO into Syria and wants to assemble enough
forces "against ISIS" to be able to overwhelm the Syrian government and its Russian protectors. If
that does not work he at least hopes to give Russia the Afghanistan like "quagmire" in Syria he and
other U.S. officials
promised. The again
increasing tensions with U.S. proxy Ukraine only help in that regard.
But there is even more to that plan. Just by chance (not) the NYT op-ed pages launch a trial balloon
today for the
creation of a Sunni state in east Syria and west Iraq. But that (Islamic) State is already there
and the "containment" strategy Obama practices towards it guarantees that it will fester.
Obama continues his immensely destructive policies in the Middle East with zero regard to
the all the bad outcomes these are likely to have for the people there as well as for Europe. One
again wonders if all these action follow from sheer incompetence or from some devilish, ingenious
strategic planning.
An interesting aspect of the Turkish attack: The Russians have a technology that they recently demonstrated against the newest US missile
cruiser and Israel's US jet fighters. The technology shuts down the communication systems of hostile
forces, leaving them blind. He wonders if the Russian aircraft was shot down in order to encourage
the Russians to use its unknown technology whenever Russian aircraft are in the vicinity of NATO
and Israeli aircraft. He bets that the US has sent every Raven and ELINT specialist to the area
in hopes that Russia's use of the technology will allow them to learn enough about the system
to duplicate it or learn how to block it.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/24/turkey-has-destroyed-russias-delusion-of-western-cooperation-paul-craig-roberts/
Seems to me that whether the Obama-Bolton dream--a Sunni state in eastern Syria that serves
as a "safe zone" for the empire's strike force of Salafist mercenaries--is realized depends on
the Kurds. And whether Erdogan and the Kurds can work together to feed such a monster.
Afghanistan was not a quagmire for the Russians. In 9.5 years, they lost about 15,000 dead.
That was what the number of dead the Soviet Union lost in a couple of average days while fighting
the Germans on the Eastern Front. It was a drain on resources but the Soviet Union agreed to a
negotiated settlement (which the Saudis and Americans promptly ignored) because of the problems
with the Soviet economy.
It suited the idiots in Washington to claim that it was the war in Afghanistan that brought
down the Soviet Union because it made it look like an American victory rather than a Soviet failure.
The side effect of this was to persuade the jihadis that they had defeated the Soviet Union so
they could go on to defeat the United States with disastrous consequences for all. As usual, the
Americans continue to believe their own propaganda and are probably too stupid the realize that
they and the Turkish regime probably just destroyed their last chance to have any real input into
the political solution in Syria which will come about at a time that suits Russia and will almost
certainly ignore any demands that Assad step down before the transition.
Very good article. One minor quibble. While it's true that it is common practice to use
the name of the head of state to denote a state's actions, the US is simply not governed by whoever
is elected by its people. Since the coup in 1963 no president has really had control of the US's
foreign policy. US presidents, after JFK's assassination, have essentially been the song-and-dance
men for the military-industrial complex. Obama couldn't turn this ship around if he tried. Of
course, he won't try.
Bob In Portland | Nov 25, 2015 12:14:31 PM | 14
Paul Craig Roberts said.. "Each step along the way the Russian government has held strong cards
that it did not play, trusting instead to diplomacy. Diplomacy has now proven to be a deadend.
If Russia does not join the real game and begin to play its strong cards, Russia will be defeated".
Yes Russia does hold most of the cards, it was obvious that Turkey was facilitating Islamic state
and that Saudi Arabia and Qatar provided the financial angle.
Putin acknowledged this when he accused some members of the G20 of supporting terrorism and that
the US knowing all these things,yet the US still train and supply arms to the so called "moderate"
terrorists [as rare as unicorns] who promptly sell them to other not so moderate terrorists yet
refuse to do anything to stop them.
How the West [with a straight face]as Penelope pointed out @115 yesterday, can ask other countries
to confront Islamic State when its ally and fellow NATO member's Head of National Intelligence
[MIT] Hakan Fidan and one of Erdogans staunchest allies, wants Islamic state to open a consulate
in Turkey, he said.. "ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized
and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to
revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart
Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr.
Fidan as saying on Sunday.
Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving
to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political
office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for
all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious
affiliation.http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-intelligence-chief-putin-s-intervention-in-syria-is-against-islam-and-international-law,-isis-is-a-reality-and-we-are-optimistic-about-the-future
You just could not make this stuff up. Unbelievable.
I disagree with your assertion that the US MIC steers the ship. I posit that the global
plutocrats that own private finance, all those MIC companies and a majority of our politicians
steer the ship.
Interesting. It certainly sounds as if Britain was on board
with Turkey. I am still not sure about the plan. Did they really think Russia would cease and
desist? And why undercutting Turkey with all this Reuters mumbling about the few seconds in Turkey's
airspace, and the shot in Syrian airspace?
The only use of this would be destroying the chances of an agreement on Syria - or generally
an agreement with Russia.
Erdogan's problem is clear - Russia is going after his family's business ties. Are British
business ties involved, too?
1. The U.S. is saying they warned about the incursion to the Russians.
2. U.S. hung Turkey out
to dry by leaking that the jet was hit inside Syrian airspace.
3. Obama talked about closing the borders, not a safe zone, which will not happen.
4. The Russians bombed that area with impunity last night while the Turkish Air Force remained
grounded. Pound of flesh extracted. Now this is how it will likely go-in a few days, after investigations
and a cool-down period, Erdogan himself will contact Putin and express his condolences and apologize
for the miscalculation. Putin will accept this so he can move on to his political goals in Syria.
Turkey, however is alone and isolated, and for all intents and purposes, no longer backed by NATO.
The President spoke today by phone with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey to discuss
Turkey's downing of a Russian aircraft. The President expressed U.S. and NATO support for Turkey's
right to defend its sovereignty. The leaders agreed on the importance of deescalating the situation
and pursuing arrangements to ensure that such incidents do not happen again. They reiterated
their shared commitment to efforts to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL.
I read those last sentences as being about Obama scolding Erdogan.
The Russian Air Force base in Latakia will be reinforced with S-400 SAM system, which will
soon be deployed there, Russia's Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Wednesday.
"S-400
will be deployed on Khmeimim airbase in Syria," Shoigu said at a Defense Ministry meeting.
Of course if the Russians had had the integrity to fulfil the contracts they signed, to deliver
the s-300 systems to both Syria and Iran, then the recent history of both those countries might
have been a whole lot different.
In truth Russia has no one else but itself to blame for the Syrian quagmire it now finds itself
in.
In the future it might be best for the Russians to actually fulfil the contracts they signed.
Otherwise why sign them in the first place? Was it just to get some money into the current account?
"... It implies that it is money supply that contributes to inflation. However it is not money supply that contributes to inflation it is income. That is money times the velocity of money ..."
Now I just read an article by some guy with the typical quantitative easing is bad because it
just dilutes everyones wealth , debases the currency value and and all that
This is nonsense
It implies that it is money supply that contributes to inflation. However it is not money
supply that contributes to inflation it is income. That is money times the velocity of money
and in fact it is not income that contributes to inflation it is income times the propensity
to consume of that income
money in bonds is not really actively involved in income except for the interest it's earning
so when the central bank "prints money" and then uses that money to buy bonds all the central
bank is doing is exchanging one form of inactive wealth with another form of inactive wealth
that is neither the value of the bond nor the value of the money that the fed printed by the
bond were actively involved in income anyway, except for the interest earned
therefore they do not affect inflation
in fact the value that bond at this point wasn't about to be used for consumption anyway, it
was just being held
after the fed purchases the bond, that the former bondholder now has cash that is no longer
getting a return, (as now the fed is getting the return)
which will prompt the former bondholder to look for a place to put that money
the idea is that the former bondholder will invest the money, that that money will find its
way into funding ventures that cause increased employment, income and production
and it is that investment that will stimulate the economy
like maybe buy other bonds and the issuer of the bond gets that money and can invest in their
business, creating jobs and income and production for their employees.
Which then will have the usual multiplier effect if we are at less than full employment
and at any point the fed can sell back the bond reducing the money supply
in the meantime we might have been able to keep the economy functioning at a high level, keep
more people from being excluded from the benefits, and not lose all that production that is so
essential to increasing our quality of life
"... Yamal is projected to double Russia's share of the growing global LNG market by the time it reaches full capacity of 16.5m tonnes a year - equivalent to more than 80 per cent of China's annual demand - by 2021. Construction is three-quarters complete and production from the first phase of the project is due to commence by the end of this year. ..."
"... More than 95 per cent of Yamal's expected output has already been sold through 15 to 20 year contracts, with customers mostly in Asia and Europe. ..."
Truth is Russia has been looking for an excuse to get out of the business of Shipping Natural
Gas to the West and the South, altogether and these US Sanctions and EU Complaints about Gazprom
Pipeline Construction, may just be the out they have been looking for. In Jan 2016, Russia completed
7 Massive High-Pressure Gas Pipelines, 2 to India and 5 to China. The ones to India make 4 total
Gas Lines to India, but the 5 to China are the first time China, has had access to Russian Natural
Gas. The contracts India and China signed with Gazprom are 50 years, and the price of NG starts
at more than double the highest rate Gazprom charges in Europe, the icing on the cake however
is that the currency is not US Paper Promissory Notes(Petro Dollars), but Gold Bullion. At full
capacity those pipelines can use every single NG resource Gazprom, has at the present time, and
all future NG resources. So, Gazprom would be foolish not to want to cut all off its Western and
Southern pipelines off, and divert Maximum Flow East. In addition to these NG Pipelines, there
are Crude Oil and Diesel pipelines under construction, going to China and India – Completion date
scheduled for between November 2017 and January 2018. Chinese and Indian Construction Crews completed
their internal distribution pipeline networks in 2016, and have 7 Oil Refineries in various stages
of completion. -– All American III Percenter and Combat Disabled US Veteran"
Now..remind me what was this stuff about 'Murica shipping LNG to europe???
LOL!!!!
That would indeed be delightful if there were even the whiff of truth about it; but, unfortunately,
there is not. Europe is still Russia's most important gas market by far. Numbers on the Russia-China
gas deal are hard to come by and
reporters who quote the price China will pay are just guessing because nobody has officially
disclosed that figure and will not; it is strictly confidential.
However, the China-vs-EU figures are not even close; starting next year, Russia will export
30-38 BcM annually to China, and that might go as high as double as the agreement evolves. So,
say 65 BcM annually, in a couple of years. That's still far less than half
what Gazprom exports annually
to Europe – 178.3 BcM in 2016, a significant jump over the previous year's 158.6 BcM.
Moreover, nearly all the increases in the past decade have been to imports by western
Europe. Despite all the preaching in the media, the only countries which seem to be seriously
trying to wean themselves off of Russian gas – with little to limited success, it must be said
– are eastern European countries. One of the biggest yappers in the west is the UK but the UK
went from zero imports of Russian gas in 2003 to the
fourth-biggest European importer in 2013 .
That little quick-reference pocket guide is actually chock-full of useful facts which you can
whip out and quote whenever some pea-brained bucket-mouthed know-nothing is trying to blizzard
you with blue-sky bullshit. Here's a few:
1. All the blather and angst about reducing Europe's dependency on Russian gas imports conveniently
ignores one buzzing fly in the ointment – long-term contracts. Of 178.6 BcM imported by Europe
in 2013, 166 BcM of it was under 30-year contracts. By far the most of it. And you know what would
happen if the EU broke a contract in order to reduce its imports, even if it could practically
do so under conditions in which domestic sources of supply are rapidly drying up, which it can't.
Also, contract supplies are by definition sanctions-exempt.
2. Home-grown Shale gas is not going to ride to the rescue. Even if Europe could tap supplies
which are not sour with so much nitrogen that you can't even burn it, in order to reach shale
gas supplies of only 28 BcM annually Europe would have to drill 800-1000 new wells every year
for 10 years. Let's see that spun as fiscally viable, or sensible in any way, shape or form.
3. Blabber about the Southern Gas Corridor was always nothing more than that – supplies from
Azerbaijan to Europe were never expected to total more than 30 BcM, about what Russia expects
to export to China starting in 2018, and it would have taken until 2030 to reach that capacity.
4. LNG actually holds the best promise of undercutting Russian supply, and Europe's regassification
terminals actually could handle more than the combined total of Russian imports now; 200 BcM.
But LNG supplies to Europe depend entirely on whether they can be profitable, and all current
objective studies find that Russia can keep LNG away as long as it likes, simply by consistently
pricing its pipeline supplies lower than LNG. Given what it would cost Uncle Sam to get his supplies
to market, Gazprom can still easily do that and turn a handsome profit.
I'm glad you brought that up; quite apart from the very interesting information contained in
the article itself, it is a springboard to a larger discussion – is Russia equally committed
to reducing its dependency on European pipelines as the Europeans are? Some say yes: Russia's
$27 Billion icebreaking LNG Carrier project is an eye-opener which has been more or
less entirely left out of energy discussions. And
its target market is Asia .
Yamal is projected to double Russia's share of the growing global LNG market by the
time it reaches full capacity of 16.5m tonnes a year - equivalent to more than 80 per cent
of China's annual demand - by 2021. Construction is three-quarters complete and production
from the first phase of the project is due to commence by the end of this year.
More than 95 per cent of Yamal's expected output has already been sold through 15 to
20 year contracts, with customers mostly in Asia and Europe.
That's hardcore! Thanks Mark. So the Chinese stepped in to take up the slack created by US
sanctions against Timchenko's Novatek part of the project. Another US epic fail.
It's curious that the West's interpretation of 'globalization' hasn't turned out as expected.
They saw it as western globo-corporations buying in around the world, but globalization has
naturally progressed as 'multi-polarization' of global power, away from the US & the West's
dominance. The Chinese stepping in is a perfect example. It shows that Russia has real options
which it is building and if needs be, at some point in the future, tell the 'No thanks!'.
"... Trump is capricious, ignorant and impetuous. His understanding of international relations and history seems woefully inadequate. He also appears to be unscrupulous and reckless. It's all about making money that matters to him. ..."
"... From the earliest opportunity, the Saudi prince wheedled his way into Trump's court. He was greeted in the White House back in March, one of the first foreign leaders to do so. Then two months later, Trump ventured on his maiden foreign trip as president in which he made Saudi Arabia his first stop. ..."
"... The power-struggle antics among the absolute rulers of the House of Saud have promoted a prince who has a reckless outsized ego and lust for dominance. President Donald Trump seems cut from the same cloth. ..."
The United States' decades-long "special relationship" with Saudi Arabia has always carried major
downsides. Yes, the Saudis are a pillar in maintaining the American petrodollar system to prevent
the collapse of the US economy; and, yes, the Saudi rulers are lavish spenders on US weapons, which
props up the Pentagon military-industrial complex – another lifeline for American capitalism.
However, the Saudi rulers are also longtime
sponsors of Wahhabi fundamentalism which has injected deadly sectarian poison into the Middle
East region and beyond. Washington is complicit in fomenting sectarianism through its relationship
with Saudi Arabia, and the price for that Faustian pact is a world in turmoil from terrorism.
Donald Trump's presidency is an unfortunate marriage of interests with Saudi Arabia. Trump is
capricious, ignorant and impetuous. His understanding of international relations and history seems
woefully inadequate. He also appears to be unscrupulous and reckless. It's all about making money
that matters to him.
From the earliest opportunity, the Saudi prince wheedled his way into Trump's court. He was greeted
in the White House back in March, one of the first foreign leaders to do so. Then two months later,
Trump ventured on his maiden foreign trip as president in which he made Saudi Arabia his first stop.
Trump was royally received by the House of Saud with
sword-waving ceremony . And then the Saudis signed record arms deal with the US worth up to $350
billion – the biggest ever in history.
It was during Trump's Saudi visit that the policy of increased hostility towards Iran and isolation
of erstwhile Saudi and American ally Qatar was hatched. This reckless, clueless embrace of Saudi
Arabia by Trump has led to a dangerous escalation in tensions across the Middle East, which are seen
playing out in Syria and towards Iran and Russia.
Trump the tycoon and the Saudi upstart-prince are a duo who are plunging the world into danger
of all-out war. The pair are a match made in hell, both being rash and irresponsible in their behavior.
Nobody outside Saudi Arabia had heard of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman until his father become
king in January 2015 on the death of King Abdullah. In the space of two years, the young prince has
been made defense minister and de facto chief of Saudi's oil economy. Now, this week he has been
shunted into becoming heir to the throne, sidelining his elder cousin and nephew to the king.
The precocious prince has only enjoyed this meteoric rise in the House of Saud because of his
father's favoritism. Other more senior royals feel ousted and see the new Crown Prince as undeserving
of his assigned authority. In short, he is out of his depth.
In the Saudi succession rules, the royal line is supposed to pass from brother to brother. There
are still surviving brothers of the Saudi founding king, Ibn Saud, who have been removed from the
succession. The present King Salman
first broke the rules when he made his nephew Mohammed bin Nayef the Crown Prince back in April
2015. Now he has broken the rules again by making his own son the heir and unceremoniously pushing
bin Nayef to the side. Such are the hijinks of despots.
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is the architect behind the disastrous war in Yemen, which is
turning into a Vietnam-style quagmire for Saudi Arabia, costing the kingdom billions of dollars every
month. He is also reportedly the architect behind the policy of renewed hostility towards Iran. In
an interview before Trump's Saudi trip, Mohammed bin Salman said he would never talk to Iran and
even threatened to unleash violence on Iranian territory. That threat was followed by the deadly
terror attack in Tehran on June 7 in which up to 17 people were killed by Daesh suicide squads.
The hiked-up hostile policy towards Iran has, in turn, led to Saudi Arabia blockading Qatar and
causing a bitter rift in the Persian Gulf because Qatar is perceived as being too soft on Iran.
The power-struggle antics among the absolute rulers of the House of Saud have promoted a prince
who has a reckless outsized ego and lust for dominance. President Donald Trump seems cut from the
same cloth. Courting the young Saudi heir may be lucrative for American weapons-dealing and no doubt
the Trump business brand in the oil-rich region. But the consequences of such capricious and clueless
"leadership" are throwing the region and the world into increasing conflict.
This week the US State Department flatly
contradicted Trump's policy of supporting the
Saudi-led
blockade on Qatar . It said it was mystified that the Saudis had not presented any evidence to
justify the blockade. This is just one example where Trump is being made to look a total fool by
following stupid Saudi policy – policy that is made by a prince who has gathered a record for disaster
in several other spheres.
What a double act. Saudi despotism marries Trump cluelessness. And the world is reaping the calamity
of clowns.
An attack from Saudi Arabia to Iran will mean the demise of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia . And the intervention of the USA in support of Saudi Arabia would mean a war of the USA against the SCO (Shangai Cooperation Organization). Those are BAD odds.
Quote from article: "America's deepening and
reckless military involvement in Syria is a
result of Trump cozying up with the Saudi
despots."
America's deepening and reckless military
involvement in Syria is a result of Trump
obeying Israel's orders. America's military
was recklessly involved in Syria long before
Trump became president. The chaos in Syria was
instigated by USA. US military trained, armed
and supported terrorists, bombed Syrian
military and civilians and established
military base in Syria during Obama
presidency.
Trump is "cozying up with the Saudi despots"
because he got his orders from Netanyahu and
Israelis. Before he began "cozying up with the
Saudi despots", Trump ordered shooting
missiles into Syrian military airport because
his Zionist Jewish daughter and son-in-law
told him to do so. If Netanyahu and/or his
Zionist Jew son-in-law Jared Kushner were to
order Trump to bomb Saudi Arabia, Trump would
bomb Saudi Arabia.
All along, Trump was blaming Saudis for 9/11
inside job attacks and was threatening Saudis
that they should be coming up with more money
to USA just as he expected NATO members to pay
for US wars costs. He was badmouthing Saudis
until he got his orders from Netanyahu and
Israel.
Saudis are puppets of USA; Saudis do exactly
what USA wants them to do and USA does exactly
what Israel wants it to do. Note that the
Saudi demands against Qatar are to distance
itself from all who resist Israel, namely,
Lebanese Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran and Syria.
Also, Israel was very pleased that Trump
signed billions of dollars worth of weapons
agreement with Saudi Arabia because these
weapons will be used against Israel's
perceived enemies and some will be given to
terrorists Israel supports in that region.
Israel rules and Trump wants to make Israel
great.
"... The U.S. is on track to produce 10 million barrels of oil per day on average next year, according to a forecast from the Energy Information Administration -- a milestone that would shatter a record set in 1970. ..."
"... Although "dominance" may be hyperbole in that context as well -- given totals that exporters such as Qatar are achieving -- capturing world markets for US LNG exporters is a major driver of US policy. Ukraine, the nonsense about Russian interference in US elections, and the new Senate sanctions against European companies working with Russia on the Baltic Sea pipeline are three cases in point. ..."
Trump is set to deliver a speech at the Energy Department on Thursday focused
almost entirely on energy exports -- describing how the foreign sale of U.S.
natural gas, oil and coal helps strengthen the country's influence globally,
bolster international alliances, and help stabilize global markets. Energy
Secretary Rick Perry may touch on similar themes when he speaks Tuesday with
analysts and executives at the U.S. Energy Information Administration
conference in Washington.[..]
Ironically, some of Trump's policies could exacerbate the market challenges
facing oil, gas and coal, by spurring more domestic production at a time when a
supply glut is already suppressing prices.
The U.S. is on track to produce 10 million barrels of oil per day on average
next year, according to a forecast from the Energy Information Administration
-- a milestone that would shatter a record set in 1970.
'Dominance' Sought
Trump's theme of "energy dominance" marks an evolution. For years, the catch
phrase of choice has been "energy independence," as politicians and industry
officials sought to highlight how a new era of abundance was helping the U.S.
wean itself from foreign sources of oil and natural gas.
That was in turn a dramatic change from the 1970s, when former President
Jimmy Carter turned down the White House thermostats and used a televised
address in February 1977 to urge consumers to conserve energy amid a permanent
"shortage." After that, federal energy policy became rooted in the view that
oil and gas were in short supply.[.]
"Trump is reorienting our national rhetoric toward 'dominance,'" said Kevin
Book, analyst with ClearView Energy Partners LLC. "Captives crave independence;
competitors strive to dominate. It's a shift from getting by to getting ahead."
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Reminds of the old song – "Dream, dream, dream"
Forecast is 10 million bbls per day 2018 and we are proposing dominance in
global energy production!! What a twit.
48) Yep, it is funny. According to above quoted US Energy Information administration
the US consumed 19.68 million barrels of petroleum products per day in 2016.
Mainly the reference to "dominance" applies to liquefied natural gas. Comparing
LNG exports during the first 3 months of 2015 with the first 3 months of 2017
shows an increase by a factor of 30.
Although "dominance" may be hyperbole in that context as well -- given totals
that exporters such as Qatar are achieving -- capturing world markets for US LNG
exporters is a major driver of US policy. Ukraine, the nonsense about Russian
interference in US elections, and the new Senate sanctions against European
companies working with Russia on the Baltic Sea pipeline are three cases in point.
Mainly the reference to "dominance" applies to liquified natural gas. Comparing LNG exports
during the first 3 months of 2015 with the first 3 months of 2017 shows an increase by a factor
of 30.
.[capturing] world markets for US LNG exporters is a major driver of US policy.
My comment was it's on someone's wish list and dreaming on.
Do you have any idea the cost to set up LNG terminals and cost to transport from US to global
- for starters, to compete with Russia, Iran, Qatar and others in the EU and Asian markets?
Austrian Federal Chancellor Christian Kern (SPÖ) and German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel
(SPD) commented as follows today (15 June) on the approval by the United States Senate of legislation
regarding sanctions against Russia:
...
It is in the common interest of the EU and the US to take resolute and unified action with
a view to resolving the conflict in Ukraine.
We cannot, however, accept the threat of illegal extraterritorial sanctions being imposed
on European companies that are participating in efforts to expand Europe's energy supply network!
The draft bill of the US is surprisingly candid about what is actually at stake, namely
selling American liquefied natural gas and ending the supply of Russian natural gas to the
European market. The bill aims to protect US jobs in the natural gas and petroleum industries.
Political sanctions should not in any way be tied to economic interests. Threatening to
impose penalties on companies in Germany, Austria and other European countries with regard
to their business in the United States if they participate in, or fund, natural gas projects
involving Russia, such as Nord Stream 2, impacts European-American relations in a new and very
negative way. This is about the competitiveness of our energy-intensive industries, and about
thousands of jobs. We therefore strongly support the efforts of the US Department of State
to amend this draft bill.
"... A pipeline through Syria would have been a great boost to national economy for a number of years & could raise a port of the country to one of global importance, just at a time that Turkey started turning the spigot of Euphrates off ..."
"... Consider that Qatar would have been a captive ally for Syria, a commodity rather in short supply for that country. The best part of it is, perhaps, that Syria presumably had a natural aversion to the transit fees. ..."
"... There is another interesting story in this regard, which is to do with (at least) three rounds of exploration for gas in Saudi Arabia, all failed, and the special need for gas to service its petrochemical industry. If memory serves, the reason is they want to upgrade the heavy crude portion of their production, which has steadily been growing, and which the Saudis might have to sell as bunker oil at great discount, if they fail to find gas. ..."
"... the Qataris were told in no uncertain terms that their gas 'had to remain in the peninsula' (Arabian subcontinent) for consumption, to serve the oil sector. ..."
"... If this is right (honestly, I do not know), it might explain quite a bit about the rivalries of the extremist Moslem clergy, and their activities both within the Moslem world and abroad, why not, even developments in Europe & the States. ..."
|Jen@31 writes about the legendary Qatari pipeline. That story made its appearance early in
the conflict, and if anybody knows its origin, I would be keen to be let know.
That story goes that Assad would not let Qatar have its pipeline because, presumably, Russians
wanted to retain their stranglehold on European gas supplies.
The subtext is that those Russians
must be very hard task masters and Assad, the lowliest of low lives, a terrified thug. And when
the troubles started, Assad did not go back to the Qataris to discuss the matter over.
Sorry, I cannot square that.
A pipeline through Syria would have been a great boost to national economy for a number of
years & could raise a port of the country to one of global importance, just at a time that Turkey
started turning the spigot of Euphrates off (this is a sense I have, do not know if it is right)
& a protracted drought and economic hardship all hit the country at the same time.
Consider that
Qatar would have been a captive ally for Syria, a commodity rather in short supply for that country.
The best part of it is, perhaps, that Syria presumably had a natural aversion to the transit fees.
There is another interesting story in this regard, which is to do with (at least) three
rounds of exploration for gas in Saudi Arabia, all failed, and the special need for gas to service
its petrochemical industry. If memory serves, the reason is they want to upgrade the heavy crude
portion of their production, which has steadily been growing, and which the Saudis might have
to sell as bunker oil at great discount, if they fail to find gas.
The story was run in the English papers of the Gulf circa 2012, whereby the Qataris were told
in no uncertain terms that their gas 'had to remain in the peninsula' (Arabian subcontinent) for
consumption, to serve the oil sector.
Once I chanced on an article on the educational proclivities of the thousands of the Saudi
princes. Any guess? Yes, a good portion of them goes in for religious studies! Somehow I do not
think they aspire to be lowly priests; but if not, where might they wish to have their sees? What
if the other principalities of the Gulf have nobilities with similar outlooks & hopes?
If this is right (honestly, I do not know), it might explain quite a bit about the rivalries of
the extremist Moslem clergy, and their activities both within the Moslem world and abroad, why
not, even developments in Europe & the States.
@36 & @31 I think you are both right. The Pipelinistan angle is a major part of this feud.
A probable change of heart from Qatar who has seen the light that no regime change will happen
in Syria therefore making a Fars --> Iraq --> Syria -> Lebanon LNG pipeline a realistic endeavor
is causing panic in KSA/US/IS who are trying to pressure Qatar to back-off from any deals with
Iran..
If Turkey is firm on protecting Qatar then the ultimatum will come to pass and be null
and void..
Don Bass | Jun 24, 2017 1:34:34 AM | 57
@ Vic
Y'know, when I read a comment such as yours: "~ I don't reckon its got anything to do with
a pipeline ~" I immediately think of that old trope: Better to remain silent and be thought a
fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubts"
Vic: instead of visiting here to blatantly display your ignorance, how about more usefully
spending that typing time to research the topic, hmmm?
The Imperial drive to crush Syria has been in play since the early 1980s, when Assad senior
was in power.
"... "In my view this is a deep power struggle between Qatar and Saudi Arabia that has little to do with stated reasons regarding Muslim Brotherhood and Iran. The action to isolate Qatar was clearly instigated during US President Trump's recent visit in Riyadh where he pushed the unfortunate idea of a Saudi-led "Arab NATO" to oppose Iranian influence in the region. ..."
"... Moreover, Qatar was acting increasingly independent of the heavy Wahhabite hand of Saudi Arabia and threatening Saudi domination over the Gulf States. Kuwait, Oman, as well as non-Gulf Turkey were coming closer to Qatar and even Pakistan now may think twice about joining a Saudi-led "Arab NATO". Bin Salman has proven a disaster as a defense strategist, as proven in the Yemen debacle. ..."
"... Kuwait and Oman are urgently trying to get Saudi to backdown on this, but that is unlikely as behind Saudi Arabia stands the US and promises of tens of billions of dollars in US arms. ..."
"... This foolish US move to use their proxy, in this case Riyadh, to discipline those not "behaving" according to Washington wishes, could well be the turning point, the point of collapse of US remaining influence in the entire Middle East in the next several years." ..."
"... KSA could not have taken this course of action all by itself. Someone somewhere must be egging them on. But who? The US seems to have no interest in a Saudi-Qatari conflict. Israel might, but only if said conflict is resolved in Saudi favor. ..."
"... I am therefore coming to the conclusion that there is no longer clear leadership of US policy and there are different factions within the US government. The white house and CIA are supporting the Saudis while the Pentagon supports Qatar. This is just a hunch, but it seems like it could make sense. Perhaps this is what happens when a government is in a state of decompensation. ..."
"... It is mind boggling that a fundamental reshaping of the Middle East was most likely put in motion by Trump completely oblivious of what he was doing shooting from the hip on his Saudi trip. ..."
"... Outside of an outright invasion of Qatar by Saudi Arabia, it is hard to see this as a once in a life time geopolitical gift to Russia, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Iran. ..."
"... Now when July 3 comes and goes, Saudi Arabia will look completely impotent in the eyes of the countries in the region. ..."
"... Gaddafi's speech to the Arab League in Syria 2008 was so prescient ..."
"... "We [the Arabs] are the enemies of one another I'm sad to say, we deceive one another, we gloat at the misfortune of one another, and we conspire against one another, and an Arab's enemy is another Arab's friend. ..."
"... I quite like the WWI parallel. Trump as Kaiser Wilhelm? There certainly are some striking similarities in character. ..."
"... "...gifted, with a quick understanding, sometimes brilliant, with a taste for the modern,-technology, industry, science -- but at the same time superficial, hasty, restless, unable to relax, without any deeper level of seriousness, without any desire for hard work or drive to see things through to the end, without any sense of sobriety, for balance and boundaries, or even for reality and real problems, uncontrollable and scarcely capable of learning from experience, desperate for applause and success, -- as Bismarck said early on in his life, he wanted every day to be his birthday-romantic, sentimental and theatrical, unsure and arrogant, with an immeasurably exaggerated self-confidence and desire to show off, a juvenile cadet, who never took the tone of the officers' mess out of his voice, and brashly wanted to play the part of the supreme warlord, full of panicky fear of a monotonous life without any diversions, and yet aimless, pathological in his hatred against his English mother." ..."
"... It also stands to reason if you simply consider Saudi's importance regionally: A lot is made of Iran's threat to Saudi influence, but Turkey - thanks in part to considerable investment by Qatar currently while investment from elsewhere has reduced massively -- is also very threatening to Saudi's influence, especially on the religious front. ..."
"... Iran representing Shia interests in the region and Turkey representing Sunni interests is not a difficult future to imagine. It would of course grate with Saudi Arabia given that it had poured vast amounts of money into the Turkish economy and the diyanet. ..."
"... Hassan Nasrallah has given his annual International Al-Quds Day speech with plenty of fire aimed at the usual suspects. The Daily Star reports: 'Nasrallah accused Saudi Arabia of "paving way for Israel" in the region. ..."
"... Actually, I hope for many more benefits will show up from this quarrel than improved profits for Iranian produce growers. It is worthwhile to observe that Dubai, a component emirate of UAE, has gigantic economic links with Iran, which must be tolerated by overlords from Abu Dhabi: they had to bail out their cousins after real estate collapse, so they have big money stake in Dubai being prosperous. Potentially, Dubai and especially the hapless vegetable and dairy producers in KSA can lose a bundle (the latter had to invest a lot in farms for Qatari market, it is not like letting cows graze on abundant grasslands plus planting cucumbers and waiting for the rain to water them). Aljazeera and Muslim Brotherhood are more irritating to KSA and UAE than an occasional polite missive to Iran. ..."
"... Qatar opened the Middle East's first centre for clearing transactions in the Chinese yuan on Tuesday, saying it would boost trade and investment between China and Gulf Arab economies. ..."
"... The only hope for Saudi Arabia is to re-denominate oil sales in multiple currencies such as the WTO drawing rights, of course based on another formula, perhaps based on the countries that purchase the most oil. This would be the only way for the royalty to gain longevity as rulers of the country. Any other scenario spells disaster. ..."
William Engdahls views. "In my view this is a deep power struggle between Qatar and Saudi
Arabia that has little to do with stated reasons regarding Muslim Brotherhood and Iran. The action
to isolate Qatar was clearly instigated during US President Trump's recent visit in Riyadh where
he pushed the unfortunate idea of a Saudi-led "Arab NATO" to oppose Iranian influence in the region.
The Saudi move, clearly instigated by Prince Bin Salman, Minister of Defense, was not about
going against terrorism. If it were about terrorism, bin Salman would have to arrest himself and
most of his Saudi cabinet as one of the largest financiers of terrorism in the world, and shut
all Saudi-financed madrasses around the world, from Pakistan to Bosnia-Herzgovina to Kosovo. Another
factor according to informed sources in Holland is that Washington wanted to punish Qatar for
seeking natural gas sales with China priced not in US dollars but in Renminbi. That apparently
alarmed Washington, as Qatar is the world's largest LNG exporter and most to Asia.
Moreover, Qatar was acting increasingly independent of the heavy Wahhabite hand of Saudi
Arabia and threatening Saudi domination over the Gulf States. Kuwait, Oman, as well as non-Gulf
Turkey were coming closer to Qatar and even Pakistan now may think twice about joining a Saudi-led
"Arab NATO". Bin Salman has proven a disaster as a defense strategist, as proven in the Yemen
debacle.
As to the future, it appears that Qatar is not about to rollover and surrender in face of Saudi
actions. Already Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani is moving to establish closer ties with Iran,
with Turkey that might include Turkish military support, and most recently with Russia.
Kuwait and Oman are urgently trying to get Saudi to backdown on this, but that is unlikely
as behind Saudi Arabia stands the US and promises of tens of billions of dollars in US arms.
This
foolish US move to use their proxy, in this case Riyadh, to discipline those not "behaving" according
to Washington wishes, could well be the turning point, the point of collapse of US remaining influence
in the entire Middle East in the next several years."
KSA could not have taken this course of action all by itself. Someone somewhere must be egging
them on. But who? The US seems to have no interest in a Saudi-Qatari conflict. Israel might, but
only if said conflict is resolved in Saudi favor.
I am therefore coming to the conclusion that there is no longer clear leadership of US
policy and there are different factions within the US government. The white house and CIA are
supporting the Saudis while the Pentagon supports Qatar. This is just a hunch, but it seems like
it could make sense. Perhaps this is what happens when a government is in a state of decompensation.
It is mind boggling that a fundamental reshaping of the Middle East was most likely put in motion
by Trump completely oblivious of what he was doing shooting from the hip on his Saudi trip.
Outside
of an outright invasion of Qatar by Saudi Arabia, it is hard to see this as a once in a life time
geopolitical gift to Russia, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Iran.
Now when July 3 comes and goes, Saudi Arabia will look completely impotent in the eyes of the
countries in the region.
I wonder if there is some sort of interest between Russia, Turkey, Qatar,
and Iran on a coup in Saudi Arabia. I can't imagine it would be that difficult. I know it is not
Putin's policy to play these types of games like the US Regime, but one has to assume that people
are just fucking done with the clowns running Saudi Arabia.
Gaddafi's speech to the Arab League in Syria 2008 was so prescient..
"We [the Arabs] are the enemies of one another I'm sad to say, we deceive one another, we
gloat at the misfortune of one another, and we conspire against one another, and an Arab's
enemy is another Arab's friend.
Along comes a foreign power, occupies an Arab country [Iraq] and hangs its President,and
we all sit on the sidelines laughing. Any one of you might be next, yes.
Peter AU "Is Qatar, like Turkey, already heading for a multi-polar world? For 25 years, the US
was the only game in town, but with Russia's move into Syria there are now options."
Hard to see the world heading in that direction:
Russia and China will no longer allow the US Regime to use the same tactics to start wars
against Iraq and Libya anymore.
China is methodically closing off the South China Sea to the US Regime
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization is starting to increase their shared defense
Europe is openly talking about creating its own independent defense force
I wonder if Qatar is already in talks with China about joining the Silk Road Initiative now
that it is openly moving into the Russia and Iran sphere.
@17 The best is yet to come. There's a chance Netanyahu will fly into Riyadh to tell everybody
what to do. I'm sure he wants what's best for the region.
I quite like the WWI parallel. Trump as Kaiser Wilhelm? There certainly are some striking
similarities in character.
Quote from Thomas Nipperdey:
"...gifted, with a quick understanding, sometimes brilliant, with a taste for the modern,-technology,
industry, science -- but at the same time superficial, hasty, restless, unable to relax, without
any deeper level of seriousness, without any desire for hard work or drive to see things through
to the end, without any sense of sobriety, for balance and boundaries, or even for reality
and real problems, uncontrollable and scarcely capable of learning from experience, desperate
for applause and success, -- as Bismarck said early on in his life, he wanted every day to
be his birthday-romantic, sentimental and theatrical, unsure and arrogant, with an immeasurably
exaggerated self-confidence and desire to show off, a juvenile cadet, who never took the tone
of the officers' mess out of his voice, and brashly wanted to play the part of the supreme
warlord, full of panicky fear of a monotonous life without any diversions, and yet aimless,
pathological in his hatred against his English mother."
Last month at the China-Arab Cooperation Forum in Doha, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi postulated
that Qatar should take part in the realization of China's Silk Road Initiatives.
Yeah, you're right. I hadn't looked into the question sufficiently. Of course the Chinese are
looking for more external finance for the project. They don't want to be the only ones who pay.
Fat chance, though. The Qataris have been in austerity since the decline in the oil price. Someone
I know who works in the Qatar Museum has seen all her colleagues let go. And now the crisis with
Saudi.
The Qataris may even have signed contracts with China. But if you know anything about the Gulf,
there's a wide gap between signing a contract, and actually getting paid. It depends upon how
the prince concerned feels about the project when the question of payment comes up. A company
I worked for in the 80s took two years to get payment, even though they were experts in Gulfi
relations.
The issue of the threat regarding the Turkish base didn't surprise me much, though. I think
it's clear that if MB is the target, then of course Turkey has to become a target, and Qatar -
Turkey ties have to be broken. It stands to reason.
It also stands to reason if you simply consider Saudi's importance regionally: A lot is
made of Iran's threat to Saudi influence, but Turkey - thanks in part to considerable investment
by Qatar currently while investment from elsewhere has reduced massively -- is also very threatening
to Saudi's influence, especially on the religious front.
Iran representing Shia interests in the region and Turkey representing Sunni interests
is not a difficult future to imagine. It would of course grate with Saudi Arabia given that it
had poured vast amounts of money into the Turkish economy and the diyanet.
On a slightly different note there's a scandal going on in western Turkey, in Duzce, at the
moment because the local authority has unveiled a statue of Rabia - the four fingered Muslim Brotherhood
salute! :-)
Hassan Nasrallah has given his annual International Al-Quds Day speech with plenty of fire
aimed at the usual suspects. The Daily Star reports: 'Nasrallah accused Saudi Arabia of
"paving way for Israel" in the region.
You did not address the argument I made, namely, that Aljazeera editors apparently belong
to "Muslims, who immediately set out to support it [Darwinian theory of evolution] unaware
of the blasphemy and error in it." These guys pretend to be nice Wahhabis, dressing in dishdashas,
their womenfolks in abayas, but in fact they spread heretical and blasphemous doctrines. However,
I am more of a Khazar than a Wahhabi and I do not treat this argument seriously.
It is the fact that compared to other government supported TV/online venues, say RT or PressTV,
Aljazeera is well written and edited, has plenty of valuable material, etc. It is a worthwhile
place to check when you want to get a composite picture on some issues. And it irritates KSA
potentates in a myriad of ways, precisely because it targets "politically engaged Muslim".
It is a good example that pluralism has inherent positive aspects, devils that quarrel are
better than "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all,
and in the darkness bind them."
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Actually, I hope for many more benefits will show up from this quarrel than improved profits
for Iranian produce growers. It is worthwhile to observe that Dubai, a component emirate of UAE,
has gigantic economic links with Iran, which must be tolerated by overlords from Abu Dhabi: they
had to bail out their cousins after real estate collapse, so they have big money stake in Dubai
being prosperous. Potentially, Dubai and especially the hapless vegetable and dairy producers
in KSA can lose a bundle (the latter had to invest a lot in farms for Qatari market, it is not
like letting cows graze on abundant grasslands plus planting cucumbers and waiting for the rain
to water them). Aljazeera and Muslim Brotherhood are more irritating to KSA and UAE than an occasional
polite missive to Iran.
One pattern in Syrian civil war were persistent and bloody feuds between jihadists that formed
roughly four groups:
"salafi", presumably funded by KSA,
"brothers", presumably funded by Qatar and Turkey,
al-Qaeda/al-Nusra/something new that was forcing the first two groups to surrender some
weapons (and money?),
and ISIS that had more complex sources (or more hidden).
Medium term strategy of Syrian government and allies for the near future is to "de-escalate"
in the western part of the country and finish off ISIS, partitioning hitherto ISIS territories
in some satisfactory way, while maintaining some type of truce with the Kurds. Then finish off
the jihadists, except those most directly protected by Turkey. Finally, take care of the Kurds.
Some sufficiently safe federalism can be part of the solution, but nothing that would lead to
enclaves with their own military forces and their own foreign policy, like Iraqi Kurdistan.
That requires the opposing parties to exhibit somewhat suicidal behavior. A big time official
feud between "brothers" and "salafi + Kurds" (a pair that shares some funding but with scant mutual
affection" can help a lot. Most of all, a big time feud between Turkey and KSA can stabilize the
situation in which jihadists from Idlib and northern Hama observe a truce/de-escalation, while
their colleagues from south Syria get clobbered, and definitely will induce them to refrain from
attacking Syrian government while it is busy against ISIS. After Erdogan was prevented from marching
onto Raqqa, he has two options: "Sunnistan" in eastern Syria under domination of YPG or a much
smaller YPG dominated territory that can be subsequently digested. Option one is a true nightmare
for Erdogan, more than a mere paranoia. However, Erdogan is also "pan-Sunni" Islamist, so he could
be tempted to backstab infidels from Damascus, as he was doing before. An open feud with Sunnistan
sponsors should help him to choose.
Qatar opened the Middle East's first centre for clearing transactions in the Chinese yuan
on Tuesday, saying it would boost trade and investment between China and Gulf Arab economies.
"The launch of the region's first renminbi clearing center in Doha creates the necessary
platform to realise the full potential of Qatar and the region's trade relationship with China,"
Qatar's central bank governor Sheikh Abdullah bin Saud al-Thani said at a ceremony.
"It will facilitate greater cross-border renminbi investment and financing business, and
promote greater trade and economic links between China and the region, paving the way for better
financial cooperation and enhancing the pre-eminence of Qatar as a financial hub in MENA (Middle
East and North Africa)."
Industrial and Commercial Bank of China's (ICBC) Doha branch is the clearing bank for the centre,
which intends to serve companies from around the Middle East.
A clearing bank can handle all parts of a currency transaction from when a commitment is
made until it is settled, reducing costs and time taken for trading.
The centre "will improve the ease of transactions between companies in the region and China
by allowing them to settle their trade directly in renminbi, drawing increased trade through
Qatar and boosting bilateral and economic collaboration between Qatar and China," said ICBC
chairman Jiang Jianqing.
At present, Qatar and the Gulf's other wealthy oil and gas exporters use the U.S. dollar
much more than the yuan. Most of their currencies are pegged to the dollar, and most of their
huge foreign currency reserves are denominated in dollars.
Laguerre @27
Date of article April 24, 2017
In April 2015, Qatar opened Qatar Renminbi Centre (QRC), the region's first clearing centre
for the Chinese currency. This allows for trades priced in RMB to be cleared locally in Qatar
rather than in other centres such as Shanghai or Hong Kong.ICBC has since become the designated
clearance bank servicing the QRC, which has handled more than 350bn yuan ($52.6bn) since its inception.
http://emerge85.io/blog/the-middle-kingdoms-big-four-and-the-gulf
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Trending and not very far to seeing what is now held under the table. Oil will also be priced
in RMB because KSA, to maintain their share of exports to China, will need to get on board. For
now, it's been reaffirmed, SA does the whipping and USA protects the Royals.
About Sunni-Shia split. My impression is that this is mostly KSA + UAE obsession. For example,
there is a substantial Shia minority in Pakistan, but the dominant thinking among the Sunnis seems
to be "Muslim solidarity". There is a minority that is virulently anti-Shia, but they are politically
isolated and despised exactly on the account of breaking that solidarity. After all, Pakistan
forms the boundary of the Umma with non-Muslim India. I base that opinion on comments in online
Pakistani newspapers, and what I have heard from an acquaintance who was a religiously conservative
Sunni Pakistani. To him, the attack on Yemen by KSA was wrong "because they are Muslim". So even
if Pakistan is to a certain extend in Saudi pocket, and its deep state has an extremist Sunni
component, overt siding against "fellow Muslim" is out of the question.
Egypt is another case. One can find rather isolated anti-Shia outbursts, like writings of some
fossils in Al-Azhar (who are responsible for the state religion), but the government steers away
from that, and in spite of hefty subsidies, it joined Yemen war only symbolically and for a very
short time (unlike Sudan that really needs the cash for its mercenaries). As you move further
away from the Persian Gulf, the indifference to the "split" increases. As far as Qatar and Aljazeera
are concerned, probably no one detests them more than Egyptian elite, as they were valiantly fighting
Muslim Brotherhood for the sake of progress with some occasional large massacres (killing several
hundreds of protesters, issuing hundreds of death penalties to participants in a single protest,
in absentia! incredible idiocy+cruelty). That explains why al-Sisi joined KSA against Qatar.
However, the civil war in Libya that embroils Egypt is a classic case of unexpected alliances.
Egypt with a help from Russia, KSA and UAE supports the "eastern government" that bases legitimacy
on democratic parliament re-assembled in Tobruq on Egyptian border, and dominated by military
strongman Haftar. The latter has the best chance of all people to become a military strongman
of all Libya, but apparently has meager popularity and thus, too few troops. He patched that problem
by an alliance with a Salafi group that had a numerous militia, currently partitioned into smaller
units and incorporated into Haftar's brigades. Even with that, his progress on the ground is very,
very gradual. Against him is the government in Tripolis, legitimized by a more fresh parliament
and UN/EU, plus a military force that includes several militias. Part of the parliamentary support
stems from Muslim Brotherhood, and some part of military support comes from Salafi militias. There
are also aspects of a "war of all against all", seems that Saharan tribes collected a lot of fresh
blood feuds.
Thus Qatari+Turkish support for Tripoli government is aligned with EU, and Egyptian support
for Tobruq government is aligned with Russia and KSA.
I thought I might just throw this out there and see what sticks. US policy is based on power and
control. Saudi Arabia has been a good ally but it does not serve use policy or strategic goals
any longer. Not really. I think the grand prize for destabilizing the middle east is Saudi Arabia.
It would be the only way to truly control the development of other nations or more specifically,
to control their rivalries and save the the US from complete economic breakdown. The Saudi's are
being plumbed by the best of them, telling them they are you friends, we have your back and so
long as Saudi Arabia loses more money and keeps lossing money in needless wars etc.
The only hope for Saudi Arabia is to re-denominate oil sales in multiple currencies such
as the WTO drawing rights, of course based on another formula, perhaps based on the countries
that purchase the most oil. This would be the only way for the royalty to gain longevity as rulers
of the country. Any other scenario spells disaster. Of course, it would be a rough go for
them for a while, but in the end, a slight change in outlook and the unfair advantage given to
the US would go a long way, economically to stabilizing large blocks of countries. They also could
of course change their outlook on the world, but that is certainly a difficult challenge. If the
Muslim world came together based on their similarities, they could be a very powerful block.
The US no longer has the financial velocity it once maintained and this is much more due to
insane ideas about being a hegemon. I never thought revolution would be possible in the US, but
it is coming and it won't take much. The country does not appear to have intelligence peddle back
a number of policies, drunk on its own poison, it makes capitalism look disgusting. A new business
model is needed, one that developes mutual trade based on respect from within the exchange itself.
Saudi Arabia needs to cultivate multi-channel support for its biggest resource so that when the
returns are no longer there, they will have also developed multiple avenues to prosperity. Just
a thought.
"... They are relying on what looks like a watertight scholarly analysis to support their call: the work of a prominent energy systems engineer from Stanford University, Mark Z. Jacobson. With three co-authors, he published a widely heralded article two years ago asserting that it would be eminently feasible to power the American economy by midcentury almost entirely with energy from the wind, the sun and water. What's more, it would be cheaper than running it on fossil fuels. And yet the proposition is hardly as solid as Professor Jacobson asserts. ..."
"... "I had largely ignored the papers arguing that doing all with renewables was possible at negative costs because they struck me as obviously incorrect," said David Victor of the University of California, San Diego, a co-author of the new critique of Professor Jacobson's work. "But when policy makers started using this paper for scientific support, I thought, 'this paper is dangerous.'" ..."
"... The conclusion of the critique is damning: Professor Jacobson relied on "invalid modeling tools," committed "modeling errors" and made "implausible and inadequately supported assumptions," the scholars wrote. "Our paper is pretty devastating," said Varun Sivaram from the Council on Foreign Relations, a co-author of the new critique. ..."
This may seem like an irrelevant question, given that both the White House and Congress are controlled
by a party that rejects the scientific consensus about human-driven
climate change . But the proposition that it could, long a dream of an environmental movement
as wary of
nuclear energy as it is of fossil fuels, has been gaining ground among policy makers committed
to reducing the nation's carbon footprint. Democrats in both
the United States Senate and in
the California Assembly have proposed legislation this year calling for a full transition to
renewable energy sources.
They are
relying on what looks like a watertight scholarly analysis to support their call: the work of
a prominent energy systems engineer from Stanford University, Mark Z. Jacobson. With three co-authors,
he published a widely heralded
article two years ago asserting that it would be eminently feasible to power the American economy
by midcentury almost entirely with energy from the wind, the sun and water. What's more, it would
be cheaper than running it on fossil fuels. And yet the proposition is hardly as solid as Professor Jacobson asserts.
In a
long-awaited
article published this week in
The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences - the same journal in which Professor Jacobson's
manifesto appeared - a group of 21 prominent scholars, including physicists and engineers, climate
scientists and sociologists, took a fine comb to the Jacobson paper and dismantled its conclusions
bit by bit.
"I had largely ignored the papers arguing that doing all with renewables was possible at negative
costs because they struck me as obviously incorrect," said David Victor of the University of California,
San Diego, a co-author of the new critique of Professor Jacobson's work. "But when policy makers
started using this paper for scientific support, I thought, 'this paper is dangerous.'"
The conclusion of the critique is damning: Professor Jacobson relied on "invalid modeling tools,"
committed "modeling errors" and made "implausible and inadequately supported assumptions," the scholars
wrote. "Our paper is pretty devastating," said Varun Sivaram from the Council on Foreign Relations,
a co-author of the new critique.
The experts are not opposed to aggressive investments in renewable energy. But they argue, as
does most of the scientific community represented on the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change , that other energy sources - atomic power, say, or
natural gas coupled with technologies to remove carbon from the atmosphere - are likely to prove
indispensable in the global effort to combat climate change. Ignoring them risks derailing the effort
to combat climate change.
But with the stakes so high, the gloves are clearly off.
Professor Jacobson is punching back hard. In an article
published in the
same issue of the Proceedings and in
a related blog post , he argues that his critics' analysis "is riddled with errors and has no
impact" on his conclusions.
In a conversation over the weekend, he accused his critics of being shills for the fossil fuel
and nuclear industries, without the standing to review his work. "Their paper is really a dangerous
paper," he told me.
But on close examination, Professor Jacobson's premise does seem a leap of faith.
Renewable sources provide
only about a tenth
of the United States' energy consumption. Increasing the penetration of intermittent energy sources
from the sun and the wind is
already proving a challenge for the electricity grid in many parts of the world.
Professor Jacobson not only claims renewables' share can be ramped up on the cheap to 100 percent
within a few decades, but also that it can be done without bioenergy, which today
contributes
about half of the country's renewable-energy production.
And yet under
the microscope of the critics - led by Christopher Clack, chief executive of the grid modeling
firm Vibrant Clean Energy and formerly with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and
the University of Colorado, Boulder - his proposed system
does not
hold together .
The weakness of energy systems powered by the sun and the wind is their intermittency. Where will
the energy come from when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing? Professor Jacobson addresses
this in two ways, vastly increasing the nation's peak hydroelectricity capacity and deploying energy
storage at a vast scale.
"To repower the world, we need to expand a lot of things to a large scale," Professor Jacobson
told me. "But there is no reason we can't scale up."
Actually, there are reasons. The main energy storage technologies he proposes - hydrogen and heat
stored in rocks buried underground - have never been put in place at anywhere near the scale required
to power a nation, or even a large city.
His system requires storing seven weeks' worth of energy consumption. Today, the 10 biggest storage
systems in the United States combined store some 43 minutes. Hydrogen production would have to be
scaled up by a factor of 100,000 or more to meet the requirements in Professor Jacobson's analysis,
according to his critics.
Professor Jacobson notes that Denmark has deployed a heating system similar to the one he proposes.
But Denmark adapted an existing underground pipe infrastructure to transport the heat, whereas a
system would have to be built from scratch in American cities.
A common thread to the Jacobson approach is how little regard it shows for the political, social
and technical plausibility of what would undoubtedly be wrenching transformations across the economy.
He argues for the viability of hydrogen-fueled aviation by noting the existence of a hydrogen-powered
four-seat jet. Jumping from that to assert that hydrogen can economically fuel the nation's fleet
within a few decades seems akin to arguing that because the United States sent a few astronauts to
the moon we will all be able to move there soon.
He proposes building and deploying energy systems at a scale that has never been achieved and
at a speed that nobody has ever tried. He assumes an implausibly low cost of capital. He asserts
that most American industry will easily adjust its schedule to the availability of energy - unplugging
when the wind and sun are down regardless of the needs of workers, suppliers, customers and other
stakeholders.
And even after all this, the system fails unless it can obtain vast amounts of additional power
from hydroelectricity as a backup at moments when other sources are weak: no less than 1,300 gigawatts.
That is about 25 percent more power than is produced by all sources combined in the United States
today, the equivalent of 600 Hoover Dams.
Building dams is hardly uncontroversial. So Professor Jacobson proposes adding this capacity with
"zero increase in dam size, no annual increase in the use of water, no new land," simply by adding
a lot more turbines to existing dams. It is not obvious that so many of them can be added, however,
or at what cost. Especially considering they would be unproductive 90 percent of the time and for
use only as a backstop. What's more, adding turbines does not increase the available energy at any
given time unless there is more water pushing through them.
Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science, one of the lead authors of the critique,
put it this way: The discharge rate needed from the nation's dams to achieve the 1,300 gigawatts
would be equivalent to about 100 times the flow of the Mississippi River. Even if this kind of push
were available, it is not hard to imagine that people living downstream might object to the release
of such vast amounts of water.
"The whole system falls apart because this is the very last thing that is used," Professor Clack
noted. "If you remove any of this, the model fails."
It is critically important to bring this debate into the open. For too long, climate advocacy
and policy has been inflected by a hope that the energy transformation before us can be achieved
cheaply and virtuously - in harmony with nature. But the transformation is likely to be costly. And
though sun, wind and water are likely to account for a much larger share of the nation's energy supply,
less palatable technologies are also likely to play a part.
Policy makers rushing to unplug existing nuclear reactors and embrace renewables note: Shuttering
viable technological paths could send us down a cul-de-sac. And we might not be possible to correct
course fast enough.
Correction: June 20, 2017
An earlier version of this column included an outdated affiliation for one scientist, Christopher
Clack. He is now chief executive of the grid modeling firm Vibrant Clean Energy; he is no longer
with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Colorado, Boulder.
"It is critically important to bring this debate into the open. For too long, climate advocacy
and policy has been inflected by a hope that the energy transformation before us can be achieved
cheaply and virtuously - in harmony with nature. But the transformation is likely to be costly.
And though sun, wind and water are likely to account for a much larger share of the nation's energy
supply, less palatable technologies are also likely to play a part."
Eduardo Porter on the debate as to whether 100% of our energy needs can be met by renewables.
OK - it may involve certain costs increasing this from a mere 10% to something closer to 100%
even if we do not entirely get to 100%. But not trying would be very costly.
One thing that certainly annoys me about this, is that to me the incentives must be wrong.
I see the German railway building solar banks on perfectly good land (which could for instance
grow trees), and the railways rolling past large numbers of houses with south-facing roofs and
no solar panels.
I see electric cars being built without solar panels on the roof, parked in the sun. I sort
of wonder - something is wrong here, why?
I read in the scientific American that people are thinking of locating solar panels to provide
shade to irrigation canals. Or we could use solar panels to provide weather protection to bike
lanes (shade + rain + snow protection). There are so many two-fers out there - why are we missing
all these opportunities?
Think of another possibility (a sliding solar on the roof of an electric car - so it could provide
windscreen shade when parked and have extra collecting area as well).
Ok, ok it is summer and 34 degrees C here today, so solar energy is everywhere.
One thing that certainly annoys me about this, is that to me the incentives must be wrong.
I see the german railway building solar banks on perfectly good land (which could for
instance grow trees), and the railways rolling past large numbers of houses with south-facing
roofs and no solar panels.
I see electric cars being built without solar panels on the roof, parked in the sun.
I sort of wonder - something is wrong here, why?
I read in the scientific American that people are thinking of locating solar panels to
provide shade to irrigation canals. Or we could use solar panels to provide weather protection
to bike lanes (shade + rain + snow protection). There are so many two-fers out there - why
are we missing all these opportunities?
No LNG carriers are currently registered under the US flag, and if the USA plans to be a serious
exporter it is going to need about 100 new LNG carriers over the next 30 years, something which is
frankly not practically achievable considering it takes about 2 years to build one, at a cost of
about $200 Million apiece". Of course, miracles can be made to happen if you pour enough money into
them.
The US's intervention is even more pathetic than it seems.
This is not a stand alone anti-Russia bill which would signal strength from the US, but an
adjunct to the anti-I-ran sanctions bill that continues to seek to punish I-ran in the vague hope
that it will pull the plug on the cast-iron nuclear deal it has signed with international partners.
The irony there is that I-ran Air is recapitalizing with both Airbus & Boeing (also ATR),
100 odd a piece, not to mention other significant investment opportunities for western firms.
They're quite the Gordian Tits!
Not only is there the potential of the Levianthan gas field off Cyprus/Israel/whatever, brutal
dictator Azeri gas will also be arriving in (larger, but not gigantic) quantities. Not to mention
that significant buyers of LNG, like the UK, have it come straight from Qatar. Is the US prepared
to sell LNG at a discount compared to Qatar that has strategic agreements and its own fundamental
interests to be protected by the Western (European) states as well?
So if this plan seems to damage not only the USA's allies but the USA itself, then what is
its purpose? Stick it to Trump. Mire any plans to re-balance relations with Russia almost at
any cost . It's a no brainer for Democrats as they neither hold a majority in the House or
the Senate, and there seem to be enough dog whistle Republicans willing to go along with it, including
those with mental problems like John 'Insane' McCaine. Ukraine is almost peripheral except as
a convenient tool. It think the US accepts they've screwed the pooch on the Ukraine so its only
value is to be used as a festering sore on Russia's frontier. Kiev mops up the completely free
public political support whilst it is being kicked in the bollox by the same people.
some interesting info on the sale of jets to qatar worth 12 billion and stuff like that..
and this
"QUESTION: Switching gears, Germany and Austria sharp – have sharply criticized the U.S. Senate
today for moves aimed at advancing a new legislation packaging new sanctions against Russia, which
tangentially deal with European countries as well. Austrian federal chancellor and German foreign
ministry released a joint statement, and I wanted to read one line from it to get your response
to this particular line: "The draft bill of the U.S. is surprisingly candid about what is actually
at stake, namely selling American liquefied natural gas and ending the supply of Russian natural
gas to the European markets."
MS NAUERT: Sorry, back up for a second? What did you say about the liquefied natural gas?
QUESTION: That the bill is trying to basically peddle U.S. LNG to the – to the European markets
– markets instead of the Russian natural gas. The bill aims to protect U.S. jobs and the natural
gas and petroleum industries. So what's your response to that?
MS NAUERT: Well, first, I'm not going to comment on anything that those nations said and their
criticism of anything going on on Capitol Hill. We would see it – and we talked about this last
week – we welcome the shipment of liquefied natural gas to Poland, to countries in that region,
if that were to come – become available to them, because it helps give them another option, another
option to get natural gas from other countries that are perhaps more stable or other countries
that can perhaps provide a regular flow of natural gas.
Much of the natural gas in Poland, as I understand it, comes from Russia, and that can be inconsistent.
Russia has the ability, as you well know, to turn off that natural gas, and that puts the Polish
people in a very difficult situation. So the U.S. provided another option. A regular source of
natural gas, especially in the winter months, we see as important for the United States and for
our allies."
Although unlikely, it would be amusing if support for Qatar led to an improvement in the
Iran/Turkey relationship.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 17, 2017 3:00:24 PM | 34
I agree Turkey is having its problems, but the Russian pipeline is moving along and managed
by Russia; Syria, Iraq and Iranian gas could all become clients of the pipeline, generating
significant revenue and jobs for Turkey as its hub. Far better that Turkey looks to Russia
with its sane international policies than to the the US's EU puppet.
Turkey has fallen in yet another trap set by the USA to weaken Erdogan.
Turkey has no more 'neighbors' friends, no more European friends, little american
sympathy, and now it is about to loose his rich Gulf friends.
Erdogan's foreign policy is close to total disaster.
The AKP success came from the economical reforms stimulated by the EU promises of
adhesion and to the smart and peaceful influence of Gulen in Turkey's institutions
and foreign policy.
Now Gulen and his allies are enemies. Turkey has gradually become a rogue state
controlled exclusively by a megalomaniac man blinded by religion and money.
After the Syria quagmire, the Qatar-Saudi conflict and its impact on Turkey's
economy, may turn to be fatal to Erdogan ruling.
Any Darwin Awards fans out there? For those few who have never heard of them, the Darwin Awards
celebrate those individuals who have rendered a significant service to mankind by taking themselves
out of the global gene pool. In preparing to discuss today's subject, I am reminded of unfortunate
1999 award-winner 'James' from Missouri, who became so fixated upon his love interest that he
tried to lop off
his own head with a chainsaw to demonstrate his commitment to an outcome on his terms. Although
he was ultimately unsuccessful on both counts, he did fatally injure himself, and died in hospital.
Ashes to ashes; dust to dust.
My intent today is to demonstrate clear destructive similarities between the above emotional decision
and the equally
simpleminded decision of the US Senate to impose further economic sanctions on Russia, this time
explicitly tying them to penalizing of European companies which do business with Russia – moreover,
in a clear attempt to stop the latter from proceeding with the Nord Stream II gas pipeline project.
This, in turn, is clearly an attempt by the USA to make Europe a captive market for its own energy
products, in the form of shipborne LNG. Significantly, that goal is also finally becoming clear to
Europe; or at least to the parts of it that matter, such as Germany (thanks for the tip, James!)
Try to put aside, for the moment, the insufferable arrogance of American meddling in Europe's energy
market, with a view to restricting its choice while – laughably – pretending it is broadening European
energy options.
The readers and commenters of this blog will be well aware, since it has been a topic of discussion
for years here, that a critical underpinning of the western plan to seize Ukraine and wrest it into
the western orbit was the premise that Russia would be forced by simple momentum to go along with
it. As long as events continued to unfold too quickly to get ahead of, Russia would have to help
supply the sinews of its own destruction. And a big part of that was the assumption that Russia would
help to finance Ukraine's transition to a powerful western fulcrum upon which to apply leverage against
it, through continued trade with Ukraine and continued transit of Europe's energy supply through
Ukraine's pipeline system. But Russia slapped a trade embargo on most Ukrainian goods, and rescinded
its tariff-free status as it became clear Brussels planned to use it to stovepipe European trade
goods into the Russian market, through Ukraine – thus crushing domestic industries which would not
be able to compete on economically-favourable terms. The armchair strategists nearly shit a brick
when construction of the South Stream pipeline commenced, bypassing Ukraine and depriving it of about
$2 billion annually in transit fees. But
pressure ultimately forced Bulgaria to throw a wrench into the works, and the pipeline plans
were shelved, to much victory dancing in the west. There was
not quite as much happy-dancing in Bulgaria , but they were only ever a pawn anyway.
Sidebar for a moment, here; while the $2 Billion annually in transit fees is extremely important,
Ukraine's pre-crisis GDP was $163 Billion. The funds realized for transit fees are important because
(a) Russia has to pay them and (b) the west will have to come up with the equivalent in aid if Ukraine
loses out on them. But the real value intrinsic to Ukraine as a transit country is its physical
reality as an interface for Russian gas transit to Europe – what is a bridge can be easily turned
into a wall.
Any time Washington thinks Russia needs some more shit on its face, Ukraine can be prodded to
announce a doubling of its transit fees, or to kick off some other dispute which the popular press
will adroitly spin to make Russia appear to be an unreliable supplier. Therefore, it is essential
to western strategy that significant amounts of Russian gas continue to transit Ukraine. Sufficiently
so that Europe continues to evolve
ever-more-desperate contingency plans in order to keep receiving gas through the country which
was known to have provoked the previous shutoff of European supplies by siphoning Europe-bound gas
for its own use. That's despite the assurances of Germany and western partners of Gazprom in the
Nord Stream line that it will mean cheaper gas prices for Europe.
But we knew this was coming, didn't we? Yes, we did, because as recently as last month, Democratic
senator Jean Shaheen, who sits on the Senate Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on European Affairs, announced
that the United States was
considering involving itself in the Nord Stream II pipeline project , with a view to killing
it stone dead. The purpose, as already mentioned, is to make way for LNG cargoes to Europe, cutting
Russia out of the business, on the assumption that without energy sales the Russian economy will
crumble and the country will collapse. Destroying Russia remains Washington's overriding strategic
objective.
So the stakes are high; high enough to provide context for Washington's bizarre and aggressive
behavior, and for its continued ridiculous insistence that Russia tampered with the 2016 US presidential
election. What are the chances Washington will succeed with its latest adventure in global bullying?
Not good, according to multiple sources. Let's take a look at how Platts views the prospects;
Platts, a division of S&P Global , is
headquartered in London and employs over 1,000 people in more than 15 offices worldwide. These include
global business centers such as New York, Shanghai and Sao Paulo, and major energy centers such as
Houston, Singapore and London, where Platts is based. Having hopefully established the firm's credentials
as someone who knows what they are talking about in the energy business, let's see what Platts has
to say about
the potential American LNG market in Europe . Mmmm .the review is mixed. At the outset, Platts
is admiring of Cheniere Energy's go-to-hell expansion. But a couple of things about that are cause
to curb enthusiasm. One, only 8 American LNG cargoes had gone to Europe so far; that was as of April
this year, when the report was released. Of those, 4 went to Spain, 3 to Portugal and 1 to Italy.
Two, the Iberian Peninsula is acknowledged by Platts as not particularly significant in terms of
gauging Europe's welcome of American LNG.
"Indeed, the fact that Portugal and Spain were the first European countries to import LNG
from the US is telling The Iberian Peninsula is considered an "island market" with poor interconnection
to the rest of Europe, so the delivery of US LNG into the region is not likely to be seen as a
sign that it will take hold in the wider European market."
The same passage points out that Russia does not supply the Iberian Peninsula with pipeline gas,
and so is unlikely to be very concerned about the impact of US LNG on that market.
Three, Cheniere's rapid expansion has come at a terrifying cost, and the company is currently
– as of fall 2016 –
overleveraged
with approximately $20 Billion in long-term debt . It is unprofitable, with interest payments
representing 60% of revenues, the living embodiment of 'bicycle economics'; the second you stop pedaling,
you crash.
For what it's worth, few great business breakthroughs have occurred without risk, and while Cheniere
is plunging ahead with what seems like recklessness, it could just as easily pay off with complete
domination of the North American export market. That's a hell of a debt load, though; not much margin
for bad news. That does expose a flaw in the American strategy, as well – wrestling control of the
European supply market from Russia would be frighteningly expensive.
No LNG carriers are currently registered under the US flag, and if the USA plans to be a serious
exporter it is going to need about
100 new LNG carriers over the next 30 years , something which is frankly not practically achievable
considering it takes about 2 years to build one, at
a cost
of about $200 Million apiece . Of course, miracles can be made to happen if you pour enough money
into them. But we've already somewhat nervously mentioned how much all this is costing – how does
the likely return on investment shape up?
Well, what the fuck? Platts comes right out and says that Russia has the option of cutting
its prices to ensure it undercuts LNG costs in order to keep its share of the European market!
"Russia clearly does have the option to undercut the US LNG price to ensure it keeps its
share of its key European markets and could flood the market with cheap gas, maximizing revenues
and cash flow at a time when producers worldwide are suffering from the impact of such low prices."
So, let me get this straight. All the attempts by the west, led as usual by Washington, to force
energy prices down and keep them low actually benefit Russia by putting the USA in an unacceptable
profit/loss loop so that it cannot afford to sell its LNG to Europe and still make money? That appears
to be pretty much how it shakes out.
"Russia, thanks to the bearish oil price environment and an enhanced export strategy from Gazprom,
increased its exports to Europe by 15% (through the Nord Stream, Yamal, and Brotherhood pipelines)
to 118 Bcm, taking back its place as Europe's largest gas supplier in the process."
Wait! I think I see a solution. All the USA needs to do is apply its global leverage to make energy
costs rise!
"But US LNG could face problems of its own – the current low prices are forcing ever growing
numbers of US producers into bankruptcy. According to a recent report by Haynes and Boone, 90
gas and oil producers in the US and Canada have filed for bankruptcy between January 2015 and
the start of August 2016."
Oh, hey; I just realized – if forcing energy prices back up were an option, how is that going
to hamstring an opponent who was already able to undercut you at the lower price, and still turn
a profit?
Platts closes out this dismal synopsis with the consolation prize that, while US LNG is less competitive
with pipeline gas given narrow Henry Hub-NBP spreads, it is coming to Europe regardless. More of
that old American can-do. It will have to be, though, on what is described as a short-run marginal
cost basis. Would you feel comfortable with that forecast if you were carrying, say, $20 Billion
in debt?
And it's not just Platts who sounds a warning; Forbes has a similar, if slightly more mocking
outlook of the situation .
"Most of this is just political posturing and noise. The U.S. is not now and nor will it be
in the near future a key resource for Europe's energy needs According to EIAs Annual Energy Outlook,
published in April, the United States remains a net importer of fuels through 2040 in a low oil
price scenario. In a high oil and gas price scenario, the United States becomes a net exporter
of liquid fuels due to increased production by 2021. A lot can happen in seven years. By then,
Exxon will likely be back to its deal with Rosneft in Russia's Arctic Circle."
As well, Forbes adds the interesting perspective that foreign sales of American gas will be a
tough sell domestically if the pressure remains on the American leadership to achieve greater energy
self-sufficiency and reduced dependence on foreign sources. This situation can only be exacerbated
by a rise in anti-American sentiment around the world, and is likely to spike if energy prices rise.
But if they stay low, American LNG exports won't make any money. If they go up, pipeline gas will
undercut LNG prices and make it noncompetitive. Jeez, we just seem to be going around in circles.
Say, did you notice that little item in there, in which the author mentions the only possible way
the USA could compete with Russia in the natural gas market in Europe would be if it had national
rights to substantial supplies of gas abroad? Did that give your memory a little tickle, and make
you think of
Burisma Holdings, and Hunter Biden ?
The Brookings Institute, for God's sake,
warned that US LNG could not compete price-wise before the first LNG cargo ever left the USA.
Given its sympathies, it seems probable it was intended as a sobering restraint meant to keep the
United States from doing something stupid that might expose it to failure and even ruin; it is much
less likely to have been an endorsement of Russia's global business practices.
As so often happens, an unhealthy fixation on taking down a largely imagined enemy results in
increased risk-taking and a totally unrealistic appraisal of the likelihood of success – it becomes
worth doing simply to be doing something. The costs in this instance have included the alienation
and infuriating of Germany, the European Union's anchor economy, and angry murmurs from the Gulf
States that Washington negotiated production cuts simply to make its own product more competitive.
All for nothing, as it happens, because a nation with surplus swing production can always undercut
your price, and the nation with the world's lowest production costs should be last on your list of
"People I Want To Start A Price War With".
If you were opposed to official Washington's swaggering, bullying modus operandi , this
whole unfolding of events probably seems pretty delicious to you. But I've saved the most delicious
for last – Trump dares not make any effort to overrule the Senate vote, or get it reframed, because
of the successful media campaign to portray him as Putin's secret agent. Any effort to mollify Germany's
fury will be seized upon by the reality-challenged Democrats as an opportunity to further discredit
the Trump government, by making it appear to be negotiating in Russia's behalf.
One should never underestimate peoples` willingness to spend vast sums of money on worthless projects.
Witness the Canadian government's recent announcement of its plans to increase defense spending
by 70%.
When the dust finally settles, the Chinese will end up on top.
I think you're probably right about that. And if it turns out to be the case, British Columbia
will turn out to be the most progressive province in Canada, with its large numbers of Chinese
citizens and its Chines-language television stations. At bottom I am mostly a peaceful guy and
I don't really care very much who rules the world so long as it doesn't impact my lifestyle.
Once I would have argued strongly for American global leadership, based on a perception that
it offered the best chance for prosperity and enlightenment for everyone, but events since have
changed my view. Now I think other countries should be left alone in terms of interference, helped
where you can lend a hand, and global leadership is an unrealistic aspiration for any country
led by humans, since human nature tends to favour self-interest.
I don't know what the Liberals think they are doing, pushing what is essentially an unachievable
Conservative platform where defense is concerned. To what end? So we can interfere more effectively
on the USA's behalf? We have a good military. There's nothing wrong with keeping it up to date
and well-supplied and trained. But a 70% increase is impractical and is only likely to incur the
wrath of the non-military portion of the electorate, since the money has to come from somewhere.
I hadn't been aware of the connection between the sanctions and LNG, so thanks for pointing that
out.
Meanwhile, I read this:
'Germany and Austria on Thursday sharply criticized the U.S. Senate's plan to add sanctions
on Russia, describing it as an illegal attempt to boost U.S. gas exports and interfere in Europe's
energy market. [ ]
"We cannot accept a threat of extraterritorial sanctions, illegal under international law,
against European companies that participate in developing European energy supplies," [German
Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern said in a joint statement].
"Europe's energy supply is Europe's business, not that of the United States of America."'
After all, many other European leaders have publicly clamored for U.S. LNG imports as a
way to ease their dependence on Gazprom.
Who? The Baltics? Thanks for that. It's mostly a rehash of the other article, but it does include
some interesting insights, and it has a little more credibility than ZeroHedge, although there's
little in that with which I can find fault and its breaking news is usually accurate.
That the EU's energy policies are completely outside the USA's remit is correct, but it's a
surprise to hear someone of Gabriel's stature actually say it. It seems the USA has decided that
forcing Germany to abandon its support for the project is worth trying. That will turn out to
be a disastrous mistake, because the business community in Germany contains some of America's
staunchest supporters, while anti-Americanism among the German population – especially its youth
– is a growing problem. This will do nothing to help it, and it most certainly is not going to
persuade Germany to order American LNG.
I urge you to digest the Platts Report in detail, at your leisure – it's illuminating, and
I'm sure you will note that Russia's LNG export capability is already far, far ahead of the USA's.
So even if pipeline gas proved only competitive with LNG, why would anyone depend on supplies
which have to cross the ocean rather than supplies that can come from Kaliningrad?
She's funny: "How can you shout about the transition to renewable, environmentally safe energy
and at the same time make plans to increase gas flows into Europe?"
Uhh, Zhenichka, Russia is part of Europe, you can shout about it if you are increasing your
energy dependence on both, and if one pipeline is simply replacing another. That's how. That was
easy.
"Five European companies are involved but for some mysterious reason, 100% of the shares belong
to Gazprom."
Because GazProm is paying $$$ for it. Zhenichka, in a Capitalist Society, those who pay for
the shares, get the shares. Did I solve that mystery for you?
"Five European companies are involved but for some mysterious reason, 100% of the shares
belong to Gazprom."
There is nothing mysterious about it; in fact, it is typical Guardian dishonesty. The Nord
Stream II Project originally included minority shareholders
as shown here . Then Poland introduced its anti-monopoly action and announced the pipeline
could not be built. The partners dropped out, and left Gazprom to take the heat alone. When Poland
failed in its bid to stop the project and it became clear the EU was all out of arrows – having
never had a defensible legal basis – the partners hopped back on, but as investors only. I daresay
they stand to make a good return on their investment even without being shareholders. Meanwhile,
American meddling is only likely to make Europeans grateful attempts to stop the pipeline failed.
I would not like to see their reaction if it ever became clear their governments had committed
them to paying higher gas prices just to spite Russia, particularly in view of the USA's limited
ability to provide reliable and constant supply.
The Guardian is just being a good American footsoldier, and trying to throw mud in the works
for Uncle Sam.
Beautiful article, and great timing Mark! I love it. This was one of the dumbest bills ever passed.
It aimed at Russia, but it's just a take down of Germany. Reminds me of a recent Russian joke:
Obama: "America is mighty! Because of us, Russia's Economy is in ruins!"
Poroshenko: "not Russia's, sir. Ukraine's."
Obama: "Who gives a shit! It's in ruins!"
Also, here's what I'm wondering – can't Russia deliver it by truck or train? Won't that still
be less expensive than delivering it by ship?
Nordstream 2 is primarily a gas pipeline project under the Baltic Sea.
The main attraction of Nordstream 2 is it avoids transit through countries where tolls and
transit fees would have to be paid, whether through land-based pipes, truck or train, and all
these expenses added to the eventual cost that would be paid by the end consumer (ie the general
public). Plus trucks and trains can be held up or subjected to attacks and gas in land-based pipelines
can be siphoned off and diverted as was being done when the gas was passing through Ukraine originally.
No such problems if the gas were being delivered through underwater pipelines though we can be
sure that Swedish naval submarines (how many of those are there – one?) will be watching them
very closely for phantom Russian subs.
Ah, I thought UCGS' original comment referred to your original post, not the one you sent at 5:58
pm yesterday.
Wouldn't transporting LNG by underground pipeline under its own pressure be a less risky and
cheaper option than sending it by train? Trains carrying LNG can only carry so much and have to
be specially adapted to transporting it. Plus they share rail networks with other trains so there
are issues like how saturated the rail networks supporting LNG rail traffic, other cargo traffic
and passenger traffic become, and the pressure this puts on drivers and maintenance of railway
tracks, and building more rail lines in and through areas where pipelines could be laid down instead.
It's possible; I'm afraid I don't know enough about it. It seems that when they speak of an LNG
'train', it refers to the liquefaction
and purification facility , not a transport vehicle. In order to transport LNG it must be
liquefied, which implies freezing it to below -161C. Naturally it must be maintained at a temperature
which guarantees its stability as a liquid, until it is appropriate to return it to its gaseous
form for use in that form. That's the purpose of the huge
container vessels on an LNG tanker – you have to get it cold and then keep it cold.
I just don't know how you would do that in a pipeline. And obviously it would be wildly impractical
for a train, I don't know what the hell I thought I was talking about. It could be done, but why?
You'd need a hundred miles of teeny little flatcar-sized container vessels to equal what you can
transport in an LNG carrier.
Your pipeline would have to originate at an LNG 'train' and terminate at another, somewhere
else, so that the liquefaction/gasification process could be practically carried out, much as
current NG pipelines use pumping stations. But you would also have to keep the LNG below -160C
all the time it was in the pipeline. That's probably physically possible, too, if expense is no
consideration, but it seems terribly impractical when NG already goes by pipeline safely at a
fraction of what it would cost to transport LNG the same way.
Ah, I see now of course you wouldn't need to transport NG in liquid form under 160C through
pipelines. To transport it by ship or train though, it must be in liquefied form, presumably because
as a liquid NG can be measured and quantified, and then exporters can work out how much they can
charge for producing and transporting LNG. Not to mention of course that transporting commodities
in gaseous form by train and ship is harder and riskier than transporting them as liquids.
As well, it needs to be liquefied in order to be compressed, to
get the volumes
you are looking for . One of those container vessels full of uncompressed NG wouldn't be much
more than a good-sized European town would need for its barbecues.
LNG achieves a higher reduction in volume than compressed natural gas (CNG) so that the
(volumetric) energy density of LNG is 2.4 times greater than that of CNG or 60 percent that of
diesel fuel. This makes LNG cost efficient to transport over long distances where pipelines do
not exist. Specially designed cryogenic sea vessels (LNG carriers) or cryogenic road tankers are
used for its transport. LNG is principally used for transporting natural gas to markets, where
it is regasified and distributed as pipeline natural gas.
That does highlight, as well, that if you can use road tankers there really is no reason you
could not use trains. But anywhere it is practical to use trains or road transport, you would
be asking yourself, "why can't I use a pipeline here?"
The US's intervention is even more pathetic than it seems.
This is not a stand alone anti-Russia bill which would signal strength from the US, but an
adjunct to the anti-I-ran sanctions bill that continues to seek to punish I-ran in the vague hope
that it will pull the plug on the cast-iron nuclear deal it has signed with international partners.
The irony there is that I-ran Air is recapitalizing with both Airbus & Boeing (also ATR),
100 odd a piece, not to mention other significant investment opportunities for western firms.
They're quite the Gordian Tits!
Not only is there the potential of the Levianthan gas field off Cyprus/Israel/whatever, brutal
dictator Azeri gas will also be arriving in (larger, but not gigantic) quantities. Not to mention
that significant buyers of LNG, like the UK, have it come straight from Qatar. Is the US prepared
to sell LNG at a discount compared to Qatar that has strategic agreements and its own fundamental
interests to be protected by the Western (European) states as well?
So if this plan seems to damage not only the USA's allies but the USA itself, then what is
its purpose? Stick it to Trump. Mire any plans to re-balance relations with Russia almost at
any cost . It's a no brainer for Democrats as they neither hold a majority in the House or
the Senate, and there seem to be enough dog whistle Republicans willing to go along with it, including
those with mental problems like John 'Insane' McCaine. Ukraine is almost peripheral except as
a convenient tool. It think the US accepts they've screwed the pooch on the Ukraine so its only
value is to be used as a festering sore on Russia's frontier. Kiev mops up the completely free
public political support whilst it is being kicked in the bollox by the same people.
"Try to put aside, for the moment, the insufferable arrogance of American meddling in Europe's
energy market, with a view to restricting its choice while – laughably – pretending it is broadening
European energy options."
"Invisible Hand of the Market" [nod, nod].
"And a big part of that was the assumption that Russia would help to finance Ukraine's transition
to a powerful western fulcrum "
At first I read it as "western furuncle". That's what it became in the end.
First Rule of the Ukraine: "Every Peremoga turns into Zrada".Want to hear about yet another
zrada ? Russia (okay – Mikhail Friedman) bought a German firm Rheinisch-Westfälisches Elektrizitätswerk
(RWE) for $5.72 blns in 2015
. Why it's important? Well, because this firm carries out the reverse gas transition to the
Ukraine, thus ensuring its [ha-ha, sorry, sorry!] "Energy Independence" which was officially
proclaimed in the same 2015 A.D.
"No LNG carriers are currently registered under the US flag, and if the USA plans to be
a serious exporter it is going to need about 100 new LNG carriers over the next 30 years, something
which is frankly not practically achievable considering it takes about 2 years to build one, at
a cost of about $200 Million apiece". Of course, miracles can be made to happen if you pour enough
money into them.
And usual stuff, said by the people who believe that the Free Market will "Get the Things Straight"
without governmental meddling. Like, Musk will invent cheap multi-use drone-rackets which will
deliver gas to the clients across the Ocean. Why not?! They believe in all kinds of stupid stuff
already!
The article is fresh breeze of actual facts and hard data – not your usual hurr-durring opinion
pieces, passed as "analytics" by the esteemed think-tankers.
Thanks very much, NS!! I read a book some time ago which used newspaper and wire reports of the
various times to thoroughly debunk most of the incidents of ships and aircraft 'disappearing without
a trace' in the Bermuda Triangle. In incidents which resulted in total losses of the crew, the
author also offered reasonable explanations for what likely happened. I have sailed through it
many times myself and observed nothing untoward, although that does not mean much considering
the amount of marine traffic which routinely does the same without incident.
Owners of LNG Carriers likewise play up how safe they are, and to the best of my knowledge
there has never been a serious accident. However, on the scale of supply the USA is suggesting
it wishes to achieve for itself, there could be no days taken off for bad weather, and carriers
would have to transit the North Atlantic in winter – which is not generally a fun place to be.
Most of my concern with the shipped method is its inherent unreliability compared with pipeline
gas.
"But Gazprom could block a lot of those cargoes by stepping up export volumes and selling them
at prices below what can be achieved by U.S. LNG. Gazprom can export pipeline gas to Europe for
$3.50 per million Btu (MMBtu) while American LNG would need prices of $4 to $5/MMbtu. Currently,
Gazprom sells gas to Europe at a price of about $5.80/MMBtu on average, but could lower the price
to beat U.S. LNG"
I do not see how the USA could begin to economically prevail over the Russians in a
"gas' war..given the above numbers.
"Of course, viewed another way, the growing U.S. export capacity – the mere existence of a
competing source of supply – should push down the price that Gazprom is able to charge, a victory
for Europe and a blow to Gazprom. Without U.S. LNG, its proponents argue, Russia would not be
forced to accept lower prices. "It's the start of the price war between U.S. LNG and pipeline
gas," said Thierry Bros, an analyst at Société Générale, according to the WSJ."
Moreover doesn't keeping a lid (cap) on what the Russians can charge for Gazprom gas ipso facto
prevent the Americans from competitively pricing their LNG product..particularly in view of the
first quote????
Either I'm a little dense today,or the American strategy here makes no sense whasoever.!!!!
The latter – the American strategy makes no sense, and its proponents are so high on can-do that
you might have to shoot them to get them down. The USA cannot supply either the volume or the
consistency of supply to snatch the gas market from Russia, and that must be evident to all but
the crazy. As usual, Washington just hopes to get itself into the mix so it will have a seat at
the table, because it cannot bear being left out of things and has long been of the opinion that
America makes its own reality. Once again, if America owned or controlled substantial gas reserves
on the continent and it were practical for the USA to run its own pipeline to Europe, it might
be in with a chance if it had sufficient supply, and it is attempts to do that that we should
be watching out for. There was speculation much earlier that control of substantial gas holdings
was exactly what Burisma Holdings and Hunter Biden were up to in Ukraine, but gas extraction is
not practical there right now and id assay results had been positive you can bet there would be
a lot more American pressure to bring the war to a close.
On that note, I noticed over at Sputnik yesterday that Turchynov was pressuring Poroshenko
to bag the ATO and turn it into a full-press military operation, which is just what recent reports
said they did not dare to do in case the Ukrainian Army loses. The same report said Poroshenko
is about to sign legislation which orders by decree that Donbas resume its place as part of Ukraine.
If they say "Pound sand up your ass" as we know they will, Poroshenko may have little alternative
to throwing everything he has at them. Of course, I can't find it now; I knew I should have drawn
attention to it when I saw it.
I assume the (shipped) American LNG would have to be regasified at a european import terminal.
Consulting page six at the link, is it not problematic to then transport the regasified lng product
to its (receiving) nation destination. The whole scheme smacks of going around the well to get
an expensive cup of water!!!!!
http://documents.jdsupra.com/c6c4403f-ad9f-4740-b184-9fc1f88550ab.pdf
The liquid LNG can only be unloaded at an LNG terminal, and so far as I am aware a feature of
them is that they are connected to a gas hub, so that they can regasify the product directly into
the system.
What I do not understand is why Russians can't increase natural gas consumption dramatically and
need to export that much: is it so difficult to build several large chemical plants, increase
usage in city transport as less polluting fuel to 100%, promote dual fuel private cars, etc.
In this case they can export saved oil instead using regular tankers which is much simpler
then LNG.
I think the current suppression of oil prices by Wall Street (and the new US method of production
using along with production of shale oil a parallel production stream of junk bonds which will
never be repaid) can't last forever. "Break even" oil price for most shale wells is probably over
$60 per barrel. If not $80.
Also without capital investment the annual decline of conventional fields is around 5% a year
(most of those fields are really old). Which means approximately 5 million barrels per day are
taken off the market automatically each year (no OPEC action is needed), if zero capital investment
are done.
Of course Sechin is IMHO a corrupt player here, who cares mostly about his own pocketbook (and
stupidly increased investment just before the crash, which later required bailout of the company
by the government), but still Russian government has the means to enforce its will even on rogue
players.
"Big Ships Account for 80 Percent of Shipping's CO2"
By Paul Benecki...2017-06-13...20:16:44
"At Nor-Shipping 2017, researchers with DNV GL released a study that points to the difficulty
of reducing the industry's CO2 output below current levels. The problem is structural: big cargo
vessels emit 80 percent of shipping's greenhouse gases, but they're also the industry's most efficient
ships, and squeezing out additional improvements may be a challenge.
Just 35 percent of the fleet – mostly large bulkers, tankers and container ships – is responsible
for 80 percent of shipping's fuel consumption, according to Christos Chryssakis, DNV GL's group leader
for greener shipping. Unfortunately, these are already the fleet's most efficient vessels per ton-mile.
"This is a paradox, but if we want to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions, we actually have to improve
the best performers," Chryssakis says."...
Similar situation with trucking, but in the USA around one half of gas consumption goes into
private cars. So by improving efficiency of private fleet by 100% you can cut total consumption
only by 25%. All this talk about electrical cars like Tesla Model 3 right now is mostly cheap talk. They
by-and-large belong to the luxury segment.
I would say precious metals are subject to tighter physical
constraints (first of all, availability) than most of what
have been considered "fiat" currencies.
E.g. emergency
"fiat" coin has been produced from cheaper metals, e.g. iron,
aluminum, or brass. Forgery-resistant paper currency is not
cheap, but probably still cheaper than precious metals.
All that is beside the point - today's currencies are only
virtual accounting entries (though with a not so cheap
supervision and auditing infrastructure attached to enforce
scarcity, or rather limit issuance to approved parties).
Gold and silver prices are
determined by labor costs of production.
Cartels act to limit global supply to push prices above
labor costs, but even the Cartels have trouble resisting
selling into the market when the price far exceeds labor cost
of the marginal unit of production.
In today's political economy, the barrier to entry is rule
of law which requires paying workers to produce without
causing harm to others. The lowest cost new gold production
is all criminal, involving theft of gold from land the miners
have no property rights, done by causing harm and death to
bystanders, with protection of the criminal operations coming
from criminals who capture most of the profit from the
workers.
Estimates vary, but some believe 90% of all gold mined in
5000 years is still held by humans as property. If a method
of extracting gold from sea water at a labor cost of $300 an
ounce, the "destruction of wealth" would be many trillions of
dollars.
All that's needed is a method of processing sea water that
could be built for $300 per ounce of lifetime asset life. A
$300 million in labor cost processing ship that kept working
for 30 years producing over that 30 years a million ounces of
gold would quickly drive the price of gold to $350-400. If it
doesn't, a thousand ships would be quickly built that would
add a billion ounces to the global supply in 30 years
representing 1/6th global supply after 5000 years.
Unless gold suddenly gained new uses, say dresses that
every upper middle class women had to have, and that cost
more than $300 an ounce to return to industrial gold, such
production would force the price of gold to or below labor
cost.
However, a dollar coin plated one atom thick in 3 cents of
gold will always have a value of a dollar's worth of labor.
The number of minutes of labor or the skills required for
each second of labor can change, but as long as the dollar
buys labor, it will have a dollar of value.
If robots do all the work, then a dollar becomes
meaningless. A theoretical economy of robots doing all the
work means a car can be priced at a dollar or a gigadollars,
but the customers must be given that dollar or that
gigadollars, or the robots will produce absolutely nothing.
Robots producing a million cars a month which no one has the
money to buy means the cars cost zero. To simply produce cars
that are never sold means the marginal cost is zero.
Money is a rationing mechanism to control the use and
distribution of scarce economic resources. Labor (of various
specializations) is a scarce resource, or the scarcest
resource commanding the highest price, only if other
resources are more plentiful.
There are many cases where
labor, even specialized labor, is not the critical
bottleneck, and is not the majority part of the price. E.g.
in the case of patents where the owner can charge what the
market will bear due to intellectual property enforcement. Or
any other part of actual or figurative "toll collection" with
ownership or control of critical economic means or
infrastructure. That's pure rent extraction.
Some things cost a lot *not* because of the labor involved
- a lot of labor (not spent on producing the actual good) can
be involved because the obtainable price can pay for it.
The value of precious metals or gems is also entirely
arbitrary. They only have value because someone says they do,
as they have little utilitarian value.
The initial allure of bitcoin has been "anonymity", until
people figured out that all transactions are publicly
recorded with a certain amount of metadata. This can be
partially defeated by "mixing services", i.e. systematic
laundering. There have also been alleged frauds (complete
with arrests) that got a lot of press in the scene, where
bitcoin "safekeeping services" (I don't quite want to say
"banks") "lost" currency or in any case couldn't return
deposits to depositors. No deposit insurance, not much in the
way of contract enforcement, etc.
Then there were stories
about computer viruses and malware targeted at stealing
account credentials or "wallet files".
FWIW, I regard bitcoin as a colossal folly intended to appeal
to crazed libertarian idiots, goldbug nutters, and criminals
and has little utility or real value. Investing in bubble gum
cards makes more sense.
"the President cited this NERA study, commissioned by the American Council for Capital Formation,
and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Why didn't the President rely upon his own experts within the
White House?"
Because his CEA is not yet staffed. The NERA "study":
NERA uses its "model" to forecast that the cost to real GDP by2040 will be a 9% shortfall and
the cost to employment will by 31.6 million jobs. Now that sounds BAD, BAD. But it sort of reminds
me of the kind of "quality analysis" we might expect from the Heritage Foundation. Of course that
is what the American Council for Capital Formation, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce paid NERA
to do.
I learned much reading this about Russia's taxing of its crude oil...you may find it interesting
as well...
Careful though, Irina Slav neglected to mention that Russia never stopped producing as much
oil as it could during OPEC's deal to cut production so this is hardly a balanced article
Putin and the Russian Oligarchs are not going to cut production, Mother Russia (Putin) needs
the cash flow (as do the other OPEC cheaters)
"OPEC Cuts Send Russia's Oil Heartland Into Decline"
By Irina Slav...Jun 03, 2017,...2:00 PM CDT
"Western Siberia is to Russia what the Permian is to the U.S. Well, kind of. Kind of in a sense
that it's one of the longest-producing oil regions and there's still a lot of oil in it. Yet,
thanks to the production cut deal with OPEC, Russian companies have had additional motivation
to move to new territories in the east and the north, where taxes are lower.
In Russia, the older the fields, the higher the taxes operators have to pay. Now that the country
has pledged to continue cutting 300,000 bpd for another nine months, the most obvious choices
for the cut are the mature Western Siberian fields. In the first quarter of 2017, for example,
output at Rosneft's Yugansk field fell by 4.2 percent, Bloomberg reported.
Production at other Western Siberian fields is set for a decline as well, with the daily output
rate from lower-tax deposits in the Caspian Sea, Eastern Siberia, and the North seen to rise to
866,000 bpd by the end of the year, or 74 percent on the year. The shift away from mature fields
to new ones will continue over the medium term, according to BofA analyst Karen Kostanian, as
overall Russian output grows. No wonder, as tax relief on new projects sometimes reaches 90 percent.
Lukoil's output from the Filanovsky field in the Caspian, for instance, is taxed at 15 percent
at a price per barrel of US$50. The average for mature fields is 58.1 percent, in a combination
of mineral resource tax and export duty.
And this is not the end of it: in 2018, the Kremlin will test a new tax regime for the oil
industry as it seeks to maintain production growth and the respective revenues, contributing a
solid chunk of federal budget revenues. The new regime, Deputy Energy Minister Alexei Texler told
Reuters, will first be introduced for a selection of 21 fields with a combined output of 300,000
bpd for a period of five years.
In case the government is happy with the results from the test, the new regime would be expanded
to the whole industry. Hopes are for a substantial increase in output thanks to the new tax regime:
up to 20 percent over the five-year period. These hopes seem to be limited to the Energy Ministry,
however, the Finance Ministry worries that the new regime will make it harder to control the flow
of tax money. The treasury is also against combining the new regime with already existing tax
incentives for the industry.
So, the move away from what Bloomberg calls the oil heartland of the world's top producer is
all but inevitable. It will come at a cost for the state coffers of some US$25 a barrel of Western
Siberian oil, or US$2.7 billion annually, according to a Renaissance Capital analyst, but the
cost will be worth it. The cost would increase, too, if the current output cut arrangement with
OPEC fails to push up prices, which for now is exactly what we are seeing, while the ramp-up in
the U.S. oil heartland continues."
"With enough thrusts pigs can fly. It is just dangerous to stand were they are going to land."
This quote is perfectly applicable to OPEC and Russia oil production now.
Neglecting maintenances and using "in fill" drilling just shorten the life of the traditional
oil fields. And new large oil fields are difficult to come by.
My impression is that most of "cuts" in production by Russia and OPEC are "forced moves". Production
was declining from mid 2016 when old investment were already all put into production and few new
investments were made since late 2014.
If we assume the lag period of two years, than in mid 2018 we will feel the results of decisions
to cut investments made in 2016.
In this situation announcing cuts allow to save face.
The net result is the same -- the oil price should rise to the level when it is economical
to develop "more expensive oil" (deep see drilling, Arctic oil and such) as replacement rate in
traditional fields is insufficient to maintain the production.
As long as The US government allow shale companies to generate junk bonds (which will never
be repaid representing kind of hidden subsidy) along with "subprime oil", shale can slightly compensate
the decline in production, but my impression is that this card was already played. Despite all
hoopla from WSJ and other major MSM.
The fact that oil production for some time was artificially kept flat or slightly rising is
strange and might be politically motivated (Saudi) which put other producers in situation when
they were force to follow Saudi lead or lose customers. China played Russians against Saudi pretty
well and got what they want at lower prices.
Those "intensification of production" were short term measures which in a long run are detrimental
to old oil fields output.
They might even lessen the total amount of oil that can be extracted from a given field.
The key question here is: Does Russian oil firms has the amount of money needed to maintain
production on the current level (at the current oil price levels ) or not.
Obama has a chance to move the US personal fleet to hybrid and more economical cars. He lost
this chance. SUV is now dominant type of personal cars int he USA, the trend opposite to what
it should be. Even hybrid SUVs like RAV4 hybrid get only around 33 miles highway, less in city
traffic.
Transition to Prius type cars (with their around 50 miles per gallon) would allow US consumers
to save almost half of oil spend on personal transportation (which probably represent around 60%
of total US consumption
http://needtoknow.nas.edu/energy/energy-use/transportation/
)
They are that wasteful,
they never had to look for costs, they need foreign workers for anything
they do – that won't work out.
At the moment they have zero income without energy sector, if you don't
count the Hadsch around Mekka as income.
And they are too big to copy the Dubai model, just to build real estate as
an industry to live from.
They could go solar – but then they should start to invest billions in
infrastructure to sell the stuff to Europe and China now.
"... There is disconnect between the real world and Central Banks fantasy world represented by stock market valuations. That is all. CB can't even normalize the rates. Even A 50bp hike would be a "monetary shock". So, CB are left only to blow real state bubbles and print extraction of remaining uneconomical oil from the ground. ..."
I do not know if I am kidding or not, I am not smart enough to know what future oil demand
will be.
I noticed this week a big push by the media to get Tony Seba's predictions out there of $25
oil and demand down to 70 million BOPD worldwide in 10 years.
I have a hard time envisioning all of this EV, ride sharing, autonomous stuff, but I do note:
Toyota Motor Corporation P/E 9.92 Market Cap: $159 billion
Ford Motor Company P/E 11.62 Market Cap: $43.63 billion
General Motors Company P/E 5.10 Market Cap: $49.79 billion
Telsa, Inc. P/E: no earnings Market Cap: $53.33 billion
It is really kind of like shale, makes no sense in terms of making money, but that does not
matter. It is a disruptive technology, like Facebook, Google, etc. That seems to be the big thing.
There is disconnect between the real world and Central Banks fantasy world represented by stock
market valuations. That is all. CB can't even normalize the rates. Even A 50bp hike would be a
"monetary shock". So, CB are left only to blow real state bubbles and print extraction of remaining
uneconomical oil from the ground.
And you know probably more than anybody else (when looking at shale balance sheet) that is
bleak picture when even crap shale appeals attractive for CB/Fed to throw money in order to keep
those fairy tale of FB, Tesla sky high valuations. Society is throwing real resources to keep
fantasy world of market valuations alive. Total insanity.
US shale production increase scenarios at different $WTI prices and cost inflation levels assuming
no new debt (no mention of paying down existing debt?)
May 24, 2017 – Leslie Wei – Rystad Energy
Figure 3 shows the estimated Y/Y growth in NA liquids shale production for different WTI oil prices
and cost inflation scenarios compared to 2016 cost levels. The "Call on shale" highlighted section
represents the 1.3 million bbl/d average taken from figure 2. The key assumption for this analysis
is that the E&P companies will balance the investments with operational free cash flow (cash neutrality).
For example, in a 70 USD/bbl oil price range, cost inflation within the range of 0% to 25% is
required to meet the 1.3 million bbl/d y/y growth in the "call on shale." In a 50 USD/bbl scenario,
the liquids production may only grow as much as 0.5 million bbl/d on a yearly basis even if the
costs remain flat. To reach the call on shale of a yearly growth of about 1.3 million bbl/d, the
oil price needs to move into the range of 70 to 80 USD/bbl for the companies to stay cash flow
neutral.
https://www.rystadenergy.com/NewsEvents/PressReleases/the-call-on-shale
"Figure 2 shows the necessary yearly growth in shale production to balance supply and demand
from 2017 to 2021. To achieve this, shale has to grow by 1.6 million bbl/d in 2017, and more than
2 million bbl/d in 2021. This implies a total shale oil production of 14.1 million bbl/d in 2021.
To achieve such growth in shale production, the number of spudded shale oil wells has to reach
~20,000 wells in 2021, or two times the number of spudded wells in 2016."
Now we have roundabout 4-5 million b/d shale production – how can only the double number of new
wells bring the triple production?
On the other hand, is shale now unlimited in resources and can supply the whole world with
oil, enough wallstreet silly money (TM) provided?
Oh, and another thing: Do the shale oil wells no more decline rapidly after drilled, but add
up nice to such production numbers.
PS: Here in financtial newspapers the typical shale break even price is now at 23$/barrel.
There are only a few oil wells left production cheaper than US shale oil.
Let us see the well completion numbers from Texas for May first (RRC), and step by step judge
if enough wells are actually completed. The trend is not going right through the roof when looking
at the April oil well completion numbers tbh.
I don´t like the expression "call on shale" as it implies that there is a vast base of resources
there to be exploited, which could turn out to not be true. I also do not like the term "call
on OPEC" as it implies the same.
The countries in OPEC are very different and just some of them can ramp up I can imagine. Who
knows actually with all the secrecy and lack of accurate oil field data coming from some of the
participants in the organisation.
2. The shale column in the Permian Basin is about 4,000 feet thick, whereas in the Eagle Ford
and Williston Basin it is only a few tens or hundreds of feet thick.
3. There are at least seven productive shale zones (which have already been tested), and several
more that have not been tested, stacked like pancakes, one right on top of the other, in the Permian
Basin.
4. The stacked plays in the Permian Basin allow for economies of scale not offered by the other
shale plays.
5. Improved drilling techniques have cut the number of drilling rig days needed from spud to
finishing of drilling operations (that is, the cementing of production casing) substantially.
6. Post-2015 fracking techniques (Fracking 2.0 and Fracking 3.0) are producing far more prolific
wells. Offsetting wells, with identical lateral lengths, and completed with Fracking 3.0 are producing
almost twice as much oil as the pre-2015 wells completed with Fracking 1.0.
7. The Permian Basin, being a mature oil and gas basin, already has a great deal of existing
infrastructure already in place, and is not too terribly far from the refinery complex on the
Gulf Coast, as the Williston Basin is.
The only public company that is solely focused on fracking services in the US shale basins in
Keane Group, ticker symbol FRAC. The company just went public at the end of 2016.
Keane's 10Q for 1/17 is interesting. The company lost $72 million. Their costs of services,
which excludes depreciation, selling, general and administrative expenses and interest, was just
$16 million less than revenues. The margin between revenues and costs of services was just 6%.
This was an improvement over 2016, where costs of services were actually more than revenues.
In the business outlook section, the company states they are seeing higher pricing for services.
In particular, due to greatly increasing volumes of sand per well, the company has seen certain
grades of sand doubling in price since the second half of 2016.
This is not a small company, they are in all shale basins and do work for some of the big names.
Clearly, as more fracking crews are utilized, costs are headed up.
Of course, they still do not have all of their frack crews working. There is still overcapacity
in all service areas, as active rigs are still far below the peak in 2014. Well costs have fallen
several million dollars since 2014. It is interesting that even with the price recovery in Q1,
2017, most upstream US shale companies showed losses or small earnings per share. ExxonMobil,
Chevron, Pioneer, Marathon and EOG all either showed small positive or negative EPS in Q1 from
US upstream.
There were outliers, such as Diamondback(FANG), which showed high EPS. However, a close look
shows FANG's CAPEX is still significantly higher than D,D&A.
Looking back since 2014, very interesting how the US shale industry battled to maintain production.
Saudi Arabia surely didn't anticipate the ability of US firms to operate at a loss for such a
long time. 2 1/2 years later, US service firms are still operating at a loss, if Keane's example
is accurate. US financial markets are very deep, interest rates remain very low on a historic
basis, and executives earning 7-8 figures annually are not simply going to shut down, as no growth
equals lower bonuses.
The numbers reported in 2015 and 2016 in aggregate by US shale firms clearly show that the
vast majority of 2015 and 2016 shale oil wells were operated at a loss. Almost all will not reach
payout in 36-60 months at the current futures strip. Hopefully, when this shale phenomenon has
concluded, there will be some in depth studies conducted of the financial side. Those reports
should make for very interesting reading.
Our small family business was not immune from cutting, such that 2016 was in the black, despite
well head prices for the year it just $36. True, we are not drilling still, and production is
slowly declining. This will continue until prices solidly rise into the $55-65 WTI band we desire.
However, we can take several more years of $45-53 WTI, if that is what the future holds. The consensus
in our small oil patch is that we need to be more worried about future demand, than future supply.
As US shale continues to climb the wall, taking total US C+C to 10, 11 or even 12 million BOPD,
that climb will get tougher, and more expensive per barrel. Maintaining 10-12 million BOPD for
a few years will take more CAPEX than is currently being spent. Maybe Dennis knows how much more?
It seems more of the public is pushing for EV, ride sharing, autonomous vehicles, etc. I have
tough time envisioning this, living in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of "fly over territory".
But, even though these initiatives are also generally hemorrhaging cash, just as shale has, dollars
and cents do not seem to matter. Kind of like how a company like Facebook can be worth $450 billion,
yet I have not used it once and see it as nothing but online gossip and a complete waste of time.
I can't understand it, but it is reality.
> In particular, due to greatly increasing volumes of sand per well, the company has seen certain
grades of sand doubling in price since the second half of 2016.
Son of a gun. Imagine that. Here's my fave photo of fracking in the Bakken. It's from 2012:
Look real careful. Bags of ceramic proppant. From China. It's better at holding fractures open
than sand. Sand was the downshift because of cost. hahahahahaha
We never do hear about the lower ultimate recoveries simply accepted from use of inferior proppant.
Not part of the narrative.
There seems to be increasing mention of Occidental being bought out by someone with extremely
deep pockets. Owning over 2 million net acres, Oxy is the biggest leaseholder in the Permian.
Two points in following up on Glen's post
The productive footprint of the Permian continues to expand up into New Mexico.
The output from wells in many of the basins has significantly increased in the past 12 months.
More precise targeting, staying in zone near 100%, and diversion processes are the biggest reasons.
aaannd, speaking of Oxy, they just loaded the first VLCC – Very Large Crude Carrier, capacity
2.2 million barrels – at their dock at Corpus Christi.
66 foot draft is too deep, presently, for the channel so 60% loading at dock and balance from
smaller vessel when out in deeper water.
Red balance sheet ink doesn't matter for shale companies – as long as there is a story. They'll
get new loans, or enough investors buying new stock.
Shale companies are like .coms in the 2000s – they are about the story, not paying big dividents.
That's what old oil is for.
If now everyone of big oil drills in perminal and abandones deep water and other long run projects
– it's a 0 sum game in global supply. Perhaps permian can get really 15 millions or more barrels
a day, but without deep see and Alaska + other difficult projects, that's not 1 barrel more in
global supply.
And it will be the mother of all oil rushes, with not being able to see a piece of Texas without
drilling towers.
HOUSTON - May 4, 2017 - Occidental Petroleum Corporation (NYSE:OXY) today announced reported
net income of $117 million, or $0.15 per diluted share, compared with a reported loss of $272
million, or $0.36 per diluted share, for the fourth quarter of 2016 .
"Our focus remains on areas that generate the best returns and we are seeing improvements
in margins across all of our businesses," said President and Chief Executive Officer Vicki
Hollub.
"Permian Resources continues to be a growth engine for our company, with a 5 percent improvement
in production this quarter, reflecting increased drilling activity and well productivity in
the Delaware Basin."
I know the information I am providing is anathema for those who have been waiting around with
baited breath for the last forty years, hoping to see the last gasps of the Age of Oil. But it
looks like you might have to wait a bit longer for that longed-for event, maybe quite a bit longer.
It is also anathema to those like Mike and shallow sands, and OPEC and Russia, who with their
conventional oil portfolios had hoped for the quick demise of shale. After all, if the cost to
produce that marginal barrel is now $50 to $60, and it remains at that cost, there is little hope
for an oil price recovery much above that price. Shale killed the price of oil, and may continue
to do so for some time in the future. This is not what those vested in conventional oil had hoped
for, and continue to hope for.
When Khalid Al-Falih arrived at Davos in late January, the Saudi oil minister was exultant .
Almost five months later, U.S. production is rising faster than anyone predicted and his
plan has been shredded .
[S]hale has defied the naysayers. By the time OPEC meets in Vienna on May 25, U.S. output
will be approaching the 9.5 million barrels a day mark - higher than in November 2014 when
OPEC started a two-year price war. The rebound has been powered by turbocharged output in the
Permian basin straddling Texas and New Mexico.
Forced to adjust to lower prices, shale firms reshaped themselves into leaner operations
that can thrive with oil just above $50 a barrel.
Since OPEC agreed to cut output six months ago, U.S. shale production has risen by about
600,000 barrels a day, wiping out half of the cartel's cut of 1.2 million barrels a day and
turning the rapid victory Saudi Arabia foresaw is turning into a stalemate .
On Thursday, OPEC's own monthly oil market report said that production from non-members
would rise 64 percent faster than previously forecast this year, driven mainly by U.S. shale
fields.
So far, OPEC hasn't been able to "cut supplies faster than shale oil can increase," said
Olivier Jakob of consultant Petromatrix GmbH .
[T]he cartel faces big risks. The most prominent is that extending cuts lifts the oil price
high enough for shale to hedge again, as it did earlier this year .
Increasingly, the oil market believes the real battle between OPEC and Russia, on one side,
and shale, on the other, will take place in 2018, when an increasing number of observers predict
U.S. production will flood the market as it did in 2014 .
U.S. shale producers used the price spike that OPEC triggered earlier this year to lock-in
revenues for 2017, 2018 and, in some cases, even 2019. With their financial future relatively
secure, they started deploying rigs. Since the count of active rigs in the U.S. reached a low
last, producers have added an average seven units per week, the strongest recovery in 30 years .
According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, American crude production will
surpass the 10 million barrel a day mark by late next year, breaching the record high set in
1970. The shale boom will propel non-OPEC output up 1.3 million barrels a day next year, effectively
filling up almost all the expected growth in demand.
"The supply and demand balance for 2018 looks very bad," said Fared Mohamedi, chief economist
at consultant The Rapidan Group in Washington. "That's when the big fight is going to happen."
Occidental
profit beats; shares fall on weak output forecast | Reuters : "Occidental Petroleum Corp's
quarterly profit beat estimates on Thursday but the company's shares fell to a near eight-year
low as the oil and gas producer forecast lower-than-expected production for the current quarter."
Oxy is still largely a conventional producer.
Permian EOR is conventional, not sure about South Texas. Non-US accounts for almost half of total
output.
So Oxy's 1Q results are not representative for the shale sector in general
In fact, during the years of the shale boom, in 2011-14, OXY was one of the very few publicly
traded U.S. E&Ps with positive free cash flow. All of those 3 or 4 companies had large non-shale
operations. On the contrary, all pure shale players had significant negative free cash flows.
I agree that "negative free cash flow is not bad in itself". The question is for how long
negative free cash flow is not bad?
Most shale companies had negative free cash flows since 2011 (already 6 years), having accumulated
large debts. There was a short period in 2H16 when, due to sharply reduced capex, the shale sector
was
free cash flow neutral. But recovering investments since 2017 will result in renewed period of
burning cash (as evident from 1Q17 results). So how many more years the markets will tolerate
shale companies' negative free cash flows?
I personally think that the shale sector could remain cash flow neutral or even slightly free
cash flow positive, especially with gradually rising oil prices. But that would imply very modest
growth in capex, and hence in production. And that still does not solve the problem of repaying
accumulated debt, unless shale companies sell part of their assets and/or issue new shares, diluting
existing shareholders.
Exposure to shale operations has actually proven a burden for the U.S. oil companies' financials
In Oxy's case,from 2014 to 1Q17, domestic upstream operations were a negative contributor to
the company's earnings (unlike international oil and gas). Positive 1Q17 earnings were due to
non-shale operations that offset a $122 million loss from the US oil and gas segment. For 2016
as a whole, U.S. oil and gas had a net loss of $999 million, while all other segments, combined,
have shown net earnings of $493 million. The same is true for the large US integrateds, like Exxon,
which consistently had negative earnings in its US upstream segment in the past few years due
to shale exposure.
"Most of the giant oil companies seem to think they're not, as they write off or sell their crown
jewels of 2011 – 2014 (Shell, Conoco and Exxon have all done so with their Canadian sands, and
as you point out Oxy did with its Bakken shale) and pivot towards the Permian shale. It's called
creative destruction, as older producing properties and techniques can no longer compete with
the new ones."
Glenn,
To make a sale someone must buy. Logic does not apply that the sellers are smart and the buyers
are dumb at this point. There was a seller and there was a buyer and that is all that we can say
about oil sand deals. We don't know the real reasons for these sales. It is just interesting that
all deals with oil sands with majors happened in downturn and that all buyers are Canadian companies.
And there is nothing creative about Shell, Exxon, Conoco acquiring all these oil sands properties
at inflated prices when oil was at north of $100 during 10 years span and selling all at ultimate
bottom when price at one point was $26.
For Q1, 2017:
US upstream -$191 million
Foreign upstream $418 million
Chemicals $170 million
Marketing and Midstream -$47 million.
The above are pre-interest and pre-tax. Oxy paid quite a bit in foreign taxes, received a large
US tax benefit due to US losses, and paid over $70 million in interest, a good chunk being on
debt incurred by spending in excess of cash flow on US unconventional in 2010-2014. OXY lost a
good chunk of change in the Bakken and completely left the area including a multi-million $ regional
headquarters they had just built in Dickinson, ND. Took a big write down on it.
I have looked a OXY Permian unconventional wells. Many pre-2016 were bad, sub 100K BO to date.
I assume they are getting better, like the rest of the Permian.
If I am not mistaken, XOM, CVX and COP made positive EPS other than in US upstream in Q1, 2017.
CLR broke even, PXD posted a small loss, EOG posted small net income.
FANG and XEC were outliers with strong EPS, but upon closer look, these numbers were aided
greatly by low DD&A per BOE, as both elected to not place substantial CAPEX on DD&A yet.
Although I'd like $55-65 WTI, can live with $45-53. We will see how many years it takes for
Permian to top out, akin to Bakken and EFS. Could take awhile, given land area. Will take awhile
to see how much of the Permian is "good".
My issue isn't about production. It's the underhanded methods to switch from one measurement to
another to suit their narrative.
When US production was declining last year they stopped posting US production charts. The moment
that changed and production had consistent increases the charts reappeared. I don't understand
their issue with being honest.
They have some good stuff there, but for anyone paying attention it really detracts and casts
a dark light on them.
The EIA makes lots of predictions and many of them are wrong. Conventional output will decline,
GOM will be flat or declining and LTO may increase by as much as 2 Mb/d from the previous peak
by 2023 and will then decline sharply (peak LTO will be about 6.5 Mb/d at most, but other US C+C
output will decrease by 1 Mb/d at 3%/year annual decline). US output might reach 10.5 Mb/d, but
not until 2022 rather than 2018, note that this does not satisfy 2016 crude inputs to refineries
and blenders which was about 16 Mb/d, unless demand decreases by 5 Mb/d from 2017 to 2022.
I doubt that will be the case, by June 2019 we will probably see $80/b (2016$) for Brent crude.
and by June 2020 the price may be North of $100/b (2016$).
Texas oil production has increased in Districts 5,7c,and 8 since October 2014. All the other 10
districts have dropped by a total of 714,406 bbls per day. I am using Texas RRC District production
October 14 to January 17.
There's a plausible sounding theory, even though posted on Zero Hedge, that the Chinese have been
filling their SPR over the last two years, and that is about to stop. This would mostly account
for why OECD storage levels only took about 35% of the supply-demand imbalance. If they do stop
then about 1 mmbpd of demand would suddenly be lost, but it might also imply that the real economy
demand growth in the period since January 2015 has only been half what it looks to have been.
Taking account of the sudden drop and a slower growth in demand would mean a longer time would
be needed to draw down OECD stocks. However if the China SPR scenario is correct then almost all
the drawdown would come from OECD. By my reckoning this would push a balancing out to late 2018
(although by then we may be seeing some bigger supply drops as the pipeline for new project start-ups
will be drying up). But if the balancing is pushed out then the chances of many FIDs this year
or next will decline and the possibility of a sudden supply crunch in 2019 through 2022 would
be greater. The green curve below gives possible drawdown under this scenario. The red one was
a previous assumption that the OECD stocks would be drawn down at only about 35% of the imbalance
(as happened when they were rising). I seemed a bit iffy when I fitted it that way, and I think
the China SPR filling is a better explanation.
SPRs in general try to have 90 days of domestic consumption in them. This was a standard put into
place mostly in Europe. China has embraced it.
The US at 750ish million barrels and having a consumption (net of production) of about 11 million
bpd (remember, this is real stuff . . . consumption, no refinery gain BS allowed) and so not quite
70 days domestic consumption.
China, at net consumption of about 7 million bpd X 90 needs an SPR of 630 million barrels.
That's about what they have, but of course with 5% consumption growth they'll have to adjust up,
but for now . . . all is well.
There probably is no flow in or out of China for SPR reasons. Already full. Have been for a
while.
This is the chart Zero Hedge had, or linked to – the key is Xinhua CFC, who have Chinese data
not otherwise available and charge a lot of money for it. I don't know how you'd go about checking
if it's correct.
Hello, don't forget that Xinhua doesn't publish China's SPR figures. The SPR figure in the chart
is an estimate based on (Production + Imports – Refinery Inputs). I'm not sure if all the teapots
are included in the official refinery data.
I guess that Chinese demand must be higher than estimated. Like this article was suggesting
Bloomberg – October 11th 2016
China's appetite for oil.
Fuel use grew by about 5 percent in the first half of 2016, according to China's biggest oil refiner,
faster than the 0.4 percent derived from government data. That "official" number is clouded by
rising gasoline exports - blends that don't show up in official figures, according to the International
Energy Agency, Sinopec Group and Energy Aspects Ltd.
Chinese authorities are also having trouble tracking refinery activity because of the surge of
processing by independent refiners, known as teapots, according to Energy Aspects' Meidan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-10/gasoline-cocktails-mix-with-gaps-in-data-to-cloud-china-oil-view
?
Enno's shaleprofile.com is full of facts. I went back and looked at his 1/17 summary of all US
oil producing shale fields. Interesting that despite adding over 13,000 new wells since the peak
in 3/15, US as of 1/17 was still 600K bopd below the 3/15 peak.
I do realize data is somewhat incomplete due to TX. I also realize not all wells are included.
Still, going to take a lot of CAPEX to climb the ladder back to 5, 6 and maybe 7 million bopd
from the shale fields.
Soon, GOM will start declining. Onshore conventional is like the sun setting. Just 60 or so
straight hole rigs active, half of the 1998-99 trough. Alaska doesn't appear to add anything.
Unless demand tanks, per Tony Seba's theories, maybe its time to be bullish? When it is clear
US shale has hit the wall, price could sky?
XOM – Potential 2nd Downgrade – unless APPL or Bazos jumps to the rescue. /
sarc
"However,
unlike its peers such as Chevron and BP, Exxon Mobil is
not targeting meaningful growth in production.
Although Exxon Mobil is working on a number of shale oil, conventional oil
and LNG projects which will come online in the near term, they will largely
help the company in offsetting the negative impact of field declines and asset
sales -
Shell, Chevron, and BP carry debt loads of $91.6 billion, $45.3
billion and $61.8 billion, respectively. "
"... Canada is the 10th largest oil consuming nation in the world, Mexico the 11th and the UK the 18th. America, on the other hand, is the largest oil consuming nation in the world, by a wide margin. We do not have the LTO resources to achieve, nor sustain, hydrocarbon independence. Forget the costs, and the additional burden that attempting to achieve hydrocarbon independence would place on our national debt, it can't be done. There is not enough of it. ..."
"... I dislike the American shale oil industry, in general, because it cannot function without borrowed capital and it no longer has the ability, in my opinion, to pay back the hundreds of billions of dollars it owes. ..."
"... I also dislike the lying the shale oil industry engages in that convinces other stupid people that we have all the shale oil we ever need in America, enough for ourselves, and anybody else in the world that wants to buy it. ..."
"... I also embrace oil price stability as that leads to employment stability and a healthier oil industry for America's future. I also believe it is important to conserve our remaining hydrocarbon resources in America and to otherwise develop what is left of those resources at a pace that is commensurate with the world crude oil market. ..."
Got it tee-tee; America is still a net importer of crude oil. That's some
good investigative reporting there.
Look, inventory levels are still at an all time high in America and the
bulk of that is light tight condensate. The export ban has been lifted in
the US for over three years now; nobody afar wants to import LTO, or much of
it, and we still can't lower those inventories. The price of oil is low, and
volatile. In the mean time all those big wells you own in Oklahoma are just
making the problem worse. And while all this is going on, hold onto your
knickers .oil imports into America are going UP, not down. Google it.
Canada is the 10th largest oil consuming nation in the world, Mexico the
11th and the UK the 18th. America, on the other hand, is the largest oil
consuming nation in the world, by a wide margin. We do not have the LTO
resources to achieve, nor sustain, hydrocarbon independence. Forget the
costs, and the additional burden that attempting to achieve hydrocarbon
independence would place on our national debt, it can't be done. There is
not enough of it.
I dislike the American shale oil industry, in general, because it cannot
function without borrowed capital and it no longer has the ability, in my
opinion, to pay back the hundreds of billions of dollars it owes. I
understand that doesn't bother you, and I understand why.
I also dislike the
lying the shale oil industry engages in that convinces other stupid people
that we have all the shale oil we ever need in America, enough for
ourselves, and anybody else in the world that wants to buy it.
Personally, I would rather sell my oil for a higher price than current
prices, but then again I have to pay to get it out of the ground, unlike
yourself, I am sure, who gets it free and clear of all costs.
I also embrace
oil price stability as that leads to employment stability and a healthier
oil industry for America's future. I also believe it is important to
conserve our remaining hydrocarbon resources in America and to otherwise
develop what is left of those resources at a pace that is commensurate with
the world crude oil market.
Again, I understand completely why you don't get
that. I can't help you.
Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei launched his latest rhetorical broadside at Iran's arch-rivals
in Saudi Arabia from a ceremony commemorating the Muslim holiday of Ramadan on Saturday. Khamenei
said the Saudi rulers are "worthless, inept, and villainous."
Khamenei also
insulted the Saudis as "idiots" for thinking they could purchase the friendship of "pagans and
enemies" with their oil money, describing them as "milk cows for the Americans."
Khamenei said the Muslim world is in "grave danger" because of leaders like the Saudis and their
"refusal to follow the Koran and lack of belief in the truth." The Saudi monarchy is a major force
in the world of Sunni Islam, while Iran's theocracy leads the Shiites, putting them on the opposite
side of a
religious schism that reaches back to the 7th Century.
That ancient conflict is mixed with contemporary geopolitical concerns, such as the civil war
in Yemen, which has become a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
The Supreme Leader of Iran, which supports the Shiite Houthi insurgents against the internationally
recognized government of Yemen, blamed the Saudis for the continuing bloodshed in that war-torn country,
as well as the oppression of Shiites by the Sunni government of Saudi Arabia's allies in Bahrain.
Iran's Foreign Minister recently added another link to that chain of blame by
accusing U.S. President Donald Trump of emboldening the government of Bahrain to crack down on
Shiite demonstrators.
"They act cordially towards the enemies of Islam while having the opposite behavior towards the
Muslim people of Bahrain and Yemen. They will face certain downfall," Khamenei predicted.
He
blasted the Saudis for signing a multibillion-dollar arms deal with the "infidel" Americans,
saying that the money should have been used to "improve the lives of their own people."
Fox News notes that recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, whose more moderate
approach is frequently at odds with the "hardline" ayatollahs, has been calling for improved relations
with Sunni nations.
"We want the rule of moderation and rationality in the relations between countries and we believe
that a political solution should be a priority. The countries of the region need more cooperation
and consultations to resolve the crisis in the region and we are ready to cooperate in this field,"
Rouhani said during a telephone conversation with the Emir of Qatar.
Rouhani's outreach to Qatar might be a little on the opportunistic side, since the emirate is
currently experiencing a bit of
turbulence in its relationships with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and other major Saudi states. In fact,
on Monday a minister from the United Arab Emirates
described the rift as a "severe" crisis that could pose a "grave danger" to the future of the
Gulf Cooperation Council.
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) has agreed
to extend until March 2018 an oil output cut deal that was sealed last year to
help shore up prices.
The cuts would lower the collective production of producers by 1.8
million barrels per day (mb/d).
A dozen non-members led by top oil producer Russia, which reduced output in
tandem with OPEC, would also join the scheme.
OPEC members Nigeria and Libya would still be excluded from cuts as their
output remained curbed by unrest.
Iran would also be allowed to keep its oil production by 3.8 mb/d over the
next nine months. The country has been exempted from the existing six-month
oil output cut deal that would expire in June.
Iran's Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh told reporters on the sidelines of the
OPEC meeting that Iran's oil production would not change as it stood around the
same level that the Organization announced in its meeting in Vienna today.
Saudi Energy Minister Khalid al-Falih praised what he described as OPEC's
consensus over the move.
"We do have consensus. My job has been very easy. There is great solidarity
among members," Falih said.
"I think everybody sees the benefits and everybody appreciates this
collective action."
Iraq's Oil Minister Jabbar Ali Hussein Al-Luiebi said his country strongly
supported extending the oil output cut deal.
"We fully support nine months...it will have more impact on the
market..stability and the prices, it will have more benefit in 9 months and we
think it is a period that will have more stability in the market," he said.
OPEC cuts have helped to push oil back above $50 a barrel this year, giving
a fiscal boost to producers, many of which rely heavily on energy revenues and
have had to burn through foreign-currency reserves to plug holes in their
budgets, Reuters reported.
Given Donald Trump's new commitment to support military adventurism by Saudi Arabia in Yemen and
more generally against Iran, it might be worth reconsidering how this alliance developed.
The beginning for Saudi Arabia was in 1744 when a wandering radical cleric, Mohammed bin Abdel-Wahhab
met up with a local chieftain, Mohammed bin Saud in the village of Diriyah, whose ruins are now located
in the suburbs of the current Saudi Arabian capital, Riyadh. Wahhab converted Saud to his cause of
spreading the strictest of the four Sunni shari'as, the Hanbali code, throughout the world, and this
remains to this day the ideology of the House of Saud, the ruling family of Saudi Arabia, with this
ideology widely known as Wahhabism. The territory ruled by the early Saudis expanded to cover a fair
amount of the Nejd, the central portion of the Arabian peninsula, but when they threatened control
of Mecca in 1818, ruled by Egyptians under the Ottomans who collected the moneys gained from pilgrims
visiting there, the Egyptian leader, Muhammed Ali, invaded the Nejd and destroyed Diriyah. The Saud
family moved to the next village over, Riyadh, and reconstructed their small state, which expanded
again in the mid-1800s, although near the end of the century they were defeated and exiled to Kuwait
by the rival Rashid family from Hail to the north of Riyadh.
In 1902 the 27 year old family leader, Abdulaziz bin al-Rahman bin Faisal al Saud, reconquered
Riyadh and would eventually establish the modern Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) through marital and
martial conquests, with its modern boundaries established in 1932, and Abdulaziz (known in the West
as "Ibn Saud") bearing the title of King and Protector of the Two Holy Places (Mecca and Medina),
which he had conqurered in 1924. He would have 43 sons, and today's king, 81-year old Salman, is
one of the last of them, and Abdulaziz would die in 1953. It should be noted that Saudi Arabia was
independent of the Ottoman Empire, and was one of the few parts of the Muslim world that did not
fall under the rule of a European power, along with Turkey, Persia/Iran, and Afghanistan.
In the early years, especially in the 1920s, he sought outside advice and support from the British,
especially St-John Philby, the rival at Whitehall of T.E. Lawrence, and the first European to cross
the Empty Quarter of the Arabian peninsula. Philby was especially helpful during the revolt by the
combined forces of the Rashidi and the Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) whom Abdulaziz managed to defeat
in 1929, with the rebels pushing an ultra-fundamentalist line against Abdulaziz (an replay of this
revolt occurred 50 years later in 1979, with the Ikhwan seizing control of the Grand Mosque in Mecca
for a time). Philby would convert to Islam and take several wives. He was also the father of later
Soviet spy, Kim Philby.
The first interest by anybody in the US came out of two agreements in 1928 and 1929, the Red Line
Agreement that gave the territories of the former Ottoman Empire to a set of British and French companies,
and then the As Is agreement of 1929 between Sir Henri Deterding of Royal Dutch Shell, Baron John
Cadman of Anglo-Persian (now BP), and Walter Teagle of New Jersey Standard (now Exxon Mobil) at Deterding's
Achnacarry Castle in Scotland. These agreements amounted to an early effort to divide up the oil
producing world in a cartel. Out of this, Jersey Standard got Saudi Arabia, although at the time
oil had not been discovered there. It would be in 1938 by geologists from Jersey Standard, and agreements
for production with cash payments for Abdulaziz in gold bars were made. In 1948, Abdulaziz would
become the first leader of an oil-producing nation to succeed in getting a 50-50 profit sharing agreement,
and as oil production surged there in the 1950s and after, the money would begin to flow into Saudi
Arabia providing the basis for its modernization, even as it retained its highly traditional and
strict version of Wahhabist Islam and Hanbali shari'a law code.
While Saudi Arabia initially favored Nazi Germany at the beginning of World War II, much like
Iran then, it gradually shifted to the Allied side, with FDR declaring the protection of Saudi oil
reserves a US national interest in 1943, and the Saudis officially declaring war on Germany in early
1945. It is widely viewed in KSA that the alliance was sealed in 1945 when FDR was returning from
Yalta shortly before his death and met briefly on a boat in the Suez Canal with King Abdulaziz, producing
a famous photograph of the two of them smiling and shaking hands, shortly before FDR's death. And
indeed, despite some ups and downs, the alliance has held since, with oil at its center.
Given that, the nature of the relationship has changed substantially over time. One major change,
signaled initiallly by that 50-50 profit sharing agreement in 1948, was an increase in Saudi control
over the oil aspect of it, with OPEC founded in 1960, which would impose a quadrupling of oil prices
in 1973 in the wake of the Saudi oil export embargo against the US for the US supporting Israel in
the Yom Kippur war of that year. Prior to that embargo, KSA had managed to nationalize ARAMCO, the
Arabian-American Oil Company, which produced the oil in Saudi Arabia, the original owners of ARAMCO
being Jersey Standard, New York Standard (Mobil, now merged with Exxon), Texaco, and California Standard
(now Chevron). These companies, especially Exxon Mobil, continue to have an active relationship with
ARAMCO, but the Saudis have been in control of their oil and their oil industry since the beginning
of the 1970s. This shifted the relationship to being one more of the US becoming the protector of
KSA, providing it with arms as the petrodollars poured in, and this aspect of the relationship has
reached a new height with this latest visit and arms deal, arranged by former Exxon Mobil CEO and
now SecState, Tillerson.
It is worth noting also that for most of the postwar period probably the major irritant in the
Saudi-US relationship has been Israel, which even now KSA does not recognize, and Trump's flight
from Riyadh to Tel Aviv was the first such direct flight on that route ever. Israel supporters for
many years complained about "Arabists" in the US State Department who were more oriented to worrying
US oil interests in the Middle East and especially in Saudi Arabia. But today there is now an alliance
of convenience between KSA and Israel in their mutual dislike of Iran.
Which brings us to the current situation. I personally think that the current Saudi leadership
has gone off the rails in their anti-Iran attitudes. The differences are both sectarian and ethnic,
Sunni versus Shi'i Islam and Semitic Arabs versus Indo-European Iranians, with this manifesting itself
in a regional power struggle. But this is a relatively recent conflict, only getting going since
the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran, and only getting really hot with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein
by the US under George W. Bush. It was the Saudis who convinced Bush's dad not to go to Baghdad to
overthrow Saddam in the 1991 Gulf War, arguing that he kept a balance of power as a Sunni Arab leader
against Iran. And they argued with Bush, Jr. not to go in for the same reason, although they would
support the US effort modestly once it happened, even though it aggravated Osama bin Laden and al
Qaeda against the Saudi monarchy for supporting the US so openly (even though the US had supported
the decision by then Saudi intel chief, Turki bin Faisal, to send bin Laden to Pakistan to aid in
the anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan). But the replacement of a Sunni-led regime in Iraq by a
Shi'i led one supported by Iran has upset the Saudis greatly. They also do not like Iranian support
of Assad in Syria, who appears to have won his war against largely Sunni rebels, many of them supported
by KSA, and now the Saudis are bogged down in a war in Yemen against local Zaydi Shi'a, whom they
claim (not with full credibility) are being supported by Iran. So they, and the Israelis, want the
US to join them in an anti-Iran crusade.
I think we are at a dangerous moment here. The nuclear deal with Iran is the most importantdeal
that Obama made, and even the Saudis and Israelis know it. What they do not like about it is that
it meant that the economic sanctions on Iran were relaxed. But most of those sanctions were only
put on to get Iran to the nuclear negotiating table. There is no way they can be reimposed without
Iran returning to having a nuclear program. The most influential person in KSA now appears to be
the son of King Salman, 31-year old Mohammed bin Salman, Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister,
who gets lots of good press in the US. But for all the talk of reform, he has not moved to let women
drive or to desegregate workplaces by gender. He seems to be a warmongering hothead who has pushed
this so far fruitless and destructive war in Yemen, which has led to incipient famine in that nation
as well as its likely falling apart into pieces. He has even talked about "taking the war to Iran,"
which we can only hope that he will not be tempted to do with all those fancy arms that he is buying
from the US. Trump, or whoever is in charge of US foreign policy in the near term, will really have
to both defend the nuclear deal with Iran and resist this warmongering push by our longtime erstwhile
ally. Let us hope that this is done.
I'm not sure what the drivers of the US hate on Iran are, beyond beltway irritation at a smallish
country that refuses to acknowledge US supremacy. War is, I think, unlikely - Iraq nearly broke
the US army, and Iran would be much worse; Iran has an open backer in Russia, and a silent one
in China, and reasonable relations with all its neighbours (so nowhere to base an invading force).
It's also quite careful diplomatically - it does what it feels to be in its interests, but does
not go out of its way to provoke.
KSA could panic as the Shi'a consolidate power in Iraq and Syria and their prestige rises across
the Islamic world but, again, they lack the access, forces and local allies to do much - and can
they afford a defeat?
btw, Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program, and is unlikely to start one even if the
US reneges on the deal. Aside from religious objections, Russia and China would not approve, and
it would deprive Iran of a chance to split the EU from the US.
All that said, Bush II was staffed by some of the dumbest fucking guys on the planet, and they
were geniuses compared to Trump's picks.
Good stuff. But while Ikhwan means "Brethren" or "Brotherhod" and the Muslim Brotherhood's
name in Arabic contains the word "Ikhwan", I don't think the Saudi Ikhwan is related to the modern
Muslim Brotherhood in any way other than both using the word in their name.
The Ikhwan was the part of the Al-Saud military forces in the early 20th century who eventually
revolted against the Saudi regime when the Ikhwan felt the Saudi's had gone too "soft" in their
religion and refused to spread the Wahhabi creed via Jihad to the Trans-Jordan, Kuwait, and other
areas controlled by the British. When the Ikhwan raided British areas the Brits retaliated and
the Saudis didn't want trouble with the British so they fought the Ikhwan with the help of the
British. The Ikhwan were defeated with the help of British airplanes and military vehicles.
According to wikipedia the remnants of the Ikhwan formed what is today the Saudi Arabian National
Guard which is apparently tasked with protecting the royal family and crushing internal dissent.
Actually they had a nuclear weapons program that dated to the time of the Shah and that was
initially supported by, well, the US. It was shut down after the Islamic Revolution. Then it was
started up again under Rafsanjani in the late 1990s, only to be shut down about the time the US
invaded Iraq, arguably one of the few positive things to come out of that invasion. Official US
National Intelligence Estimates (NIE)s after then agreed that there was no active Iranian nuclear
weapons program. In effect what the Iran nuclear deal did was to scale back their capability to
have one, although they still have such a capability, and, of course, they have a civilian nuclear
power program that is very popular in Iran.
No argument - although I think the program under Rafsanjani was more exploration than active development.
Iranians are touchy about the civil nuclear program because for them it's a touchstone for respect
for their rights as an independent nation. In their view, they joined the IAEA, signed up to the
NPT, abided by all the rules and got sanctions, theft of frozen money and threats.
If the US priority were fighting terrorism, then Iran (and even Syria) would be better allies
than Saudi (or Pakistan). But history has its own inertia...
Total agreement with Peter T that if fighting terrorism is a priority, hostility to Iran makes
little sense. All the major terror groups are Shia with the exception of Hezbollah, but it not
a threat to the US or Europe.
Unknown said...
... All the major terror groups are Shia with the exception of Hezbollah, but it not a threat
to the US or Europe.
He means they are all Sunni with the exception of Hezbollah, which is Shia.
(In reality Hezbollah was never a terrorist group in the traditional sense of fostering attacks
against civilians. Their sin was fighting the Israelis.)
Not to be lost in the shuffle is the amount of financial engineering that
goes into creating unsustainable debt levels at fossil fuel companies. Exxon
Mobil has gone on a binge of share buy backs and dividend payments that
combined with the shifting marketplace led to a credit rating downgrade last
year:
..and share buybacks/dividends is what you do when there isn't anything
else useful you can see to do with the money . or at least it was until
predator capitalism became the thing. But for government-owing behemoths
like Exxon-Mobile that is still true.
And actually it probably is predator capitalism because what I am talking
about is a wind down of the assets existing in the firm, but as you point
out they seem to be borrowing money to do this.
Unless you are extremely wealthy or have connections to people who are,
your wellbeing probably won't be on the list of "necessary purposes" if a
doomsday scenario like the one the article discusses plays out.
After decades of bigging up consumer capitalism as the only "good life" worth living the reality
of global warming now requires us to dismantle the system of gratuitous consumption if we are to
avoid seriously compromising our species longevity (non-human life forms are even more threatened
by extinction).
Our collective response has been to bury our heads firmly in the sand and gamble our future on
the comforting delusion that consuming our way out of the crisis is possible until some awesome technology
comes online at the 11th hour to save the day.
Part of the problem is climate change is framed as something that may happen in the future and
that "innovation" and "creativity" will invent nifty new technologies that will save the day, no
compromises required! (We won't think about the "issues" that will face the global south as the atmosphere
heats up.)
Neoliberalism and its co-opting of the state, which prevents governments from passing legislation
that does not benefit the capitalist class, is a massive stumbling block. The oligarchs and their
enablers had no qualms throwing Greece under the bus and even less exploitng earthquake ravaged Haiti,
as a well known former presidential candidate knows all about.
Neoliberal kleptocrats teaming up with neocon Blofeldian fantasists to save the world what could
possibly go wrong?
gamble our future on the comforting delusion that consuming our
way out of the crisis is possible until some awesome technology comes
online at the 11th hour to save the day.
+10 agreed. Wunderenergie is one of the biggest collective delusions of our time.
Lets be realistic here. You can interpret what I said any way you want,
but as yet, there is no alternative to kerosene for airline travel ..so
whether or not we stop using oil for other reasons, we are still going
to need some for the airlines.
Sooo ..what are your ideas for fueling air flight? Because if you want to completely stop the
use of oil, you'd better have some No, we are never going to nuclear power plants for airplanes.
Or maybe you think we will get rid of airplanes?
I would love it if we stopped using fossil fuels – I don't think we can do that entirely, but
we can certainly cut back on their use with other actually CLEAN energy sources ..remember as
with everything it is the dose to the environment that counts
"... While many modeled scenarios have been published claiming to show that a 100% renewable electricity system is achievable, there is no empirical or historical evidence that demonstrates that such systems are in fact feasible On the basis of this review, efforts to date seem to have substantially underestimated the challenge and delayed the identification and implementation of effective and comprehensive decarbonization pathways. ..."
I think the key thing to take from that article you link to is the demonstration
that there has been massive investment in compact nuclear technology by the
military (indeed, by several major miltaries) for nearly 70 years now. And its
failed. The latest nuclear subs are still using pretty much the same basic reactor
technology as the Nautilus 60 years ago, and almost all modern reactors are
essentially scaled up versions of the same thing. The Soviets got closest in
the 1960's with their
lead bismuth reactors
for the Alfa Class subs, but they couldn't make them
reliable and cost effective.
So remember this next time someone starts arguing that the latest thing in smart, modular nuclear
power is going to save the world – it doesn't matter whether its
pebble bed reactors
, thorium based fuel, sodium modulated cores, or whatever – countless billions
of dollars, pounds, francs, yuen and roubles have been thrown into that technology by the military
research establishments for many decades, with nothing to show for it.
In the meanwhile, wind and solar, with, in comparison, small change invested in research, has
been advancing in cost and output terms in leaps and bounds and is proven practical in almost all
environments.
Wind and solar are proven practical in almost all environments? Hardly.
They're deeply impractical on any cold winter night with low wind. That's
the real problem with wind and solar. How do you deal with the intermittency?
An all-renewable power grid can actually be accomplished when 70%+ of
it is hydro. [Hydro actually has some controllability because you can let
water pile up behind the dam for a later release.] But if hydro only provides
7% of your power needs (like it does in the US), the grid interconnection
and ENERGY STORAGE requirements become deeply problematic.
"
While many modeled scenarios have been published claiming to show
that a 100% renewable electricity system is achievable, there is no empirical
or historical evidence that demonstrates that such systems are in fact feasible
On the basis of this review, efforts to date seem to have substantially underestimated
the challenge and delayed the identification and implementation of effective
and comprehensive decarbonization pathways.
"
When I read articles claiming that 100% renewables is feasible, the first
thing I look for is a description of the energy storage requirements. Specifically,
how many gigawatt-hours. If that information isn't described, their analysis
is incomplete. Do you know how many GW-hr it would take for renewables to
supply all of US electricity? Do you know how large the biggest battery energy
storage system is in comparison? The answers are NOT pretty.
We turn away from nuclear at our peril. Right now, it's the only carbon-free
technology that we actually
know
will work.
The SCALE at which we currently live is wasteful and unnecessary for
survival. Our current thinking of energy needs is based on our capitalistic
consumer based life style and economy. Therefore, your assumption on energy
needs is based on maintaining the current economic models which we all
know to be falling apart at the seams.
It is obvious no matter how many of us dig in that this next level
of change is unstoppable. What may be left will be the random outcomes
that exist with survivability. Feasible will be what ever gets you to
the next day?
The "scale" at which we live is indeed wasteful and unnecessary
for survival, but people LIKE it. People don't want to live in 250
square-foot "microhomes" and bicycle to work every day regardless of
the weather. And how would we prevent people from doing otherwise?
Seize and scrap their cars? Kick people out of their 3500 square-foot
McMansions and tear them down? It would be the largest forced migration
in human history.
Given that people LIKE the modern lifestyle, I see that we have
three choices:
[1] Let people live their lives and watch carbon pour into the sky
because we can't get enough renewables online to make a meaningful
difference. Wait to see if it all crashes.
[2] FORCE people to embrace a leaner existence. At gunpoint if necessary.
[3] Let people live their lives and use low-footprint, carbon-free
energy technology that actually works (like nuclear) to minimize the
impact on the environment.
Population levels in developed countries are stabilizing. If we
quit growing food for biofuels, we could actually let a lot of farmland
revert to a natural state. I don't think we're doomed yet, but as of
today we're heading down path #1.
I agree that we are currently heading down path #1. The problem
is, long before things get mandatory-Jimmy-Carter-cardigan-sweater
unpleasant, the climate will have changed enough that crops will
start failing. Maybe not huge failures, but if you're subsisting
now, you won't be then. When masses of people start starving, #1
turns into #2 pretty quickly. The 4 Horsemen travel together
"Some are born lean, some achieve leanness " We need to get serious
about #2 before we have "leanness thrust upon us."
"... Actually the US position of being able to control the world reserve currency is due to its having been able to maintain military dominance over the rest of the world.. And the primary role of the armies of the Empire has been to maintain access to the world oil supply by simply printing money and using it to keep the oil flowing into our SUV tanks. ..."
"... No amount of bloodshed can change the fact that a finite resource that is in high demand will eventually become scarce. In the case of an energy source the measure of impending scarcity is decreasing EROI. Cooking oil out of tar sands, drilling from floating platforms 10,000′ above the sea bed, squeezing oil out of shale rock, and trying to build platforms in icebound arctic seas-- could there be more graphic signs that the end is nigh? ..."
I believe the fact that the US's status as reserve currency in large part
due to oil, ensures the oil industry will not be phased out or collapse from
internal pressure.
It is too integral to the hegemon's status to be allowed to fail, ever.
The US is shortsighted enough that the geopolitical and economic benefits of
an oil backed reserve currency, will likely outweigh the negative midterm
effects of climate change and environmental instability.
The most likely scenario is, oil isn't going anywhere until climate change
gets so bad the US (nor anyone else) can play hegemon.
Oh, dunno 'bout that. Has the perfect combination of re-flation and
depressionary cost increase due to currency being whacked 50-75%. Neo
dreamlike quality stuff. Cut 100% of the 99ers purchasing power combined
with depressed economy and increased job dependence to pay off debt
overhang.
Black donut hole economics – without any human intervention necessary.
The Neolibcon World runs itself – hands off! Self driving global economy.
WW3 as a jobs guarantee. But no one shows up because gas costs too much.
Stagflation sets in. Everyone waits it out in Flyover Camp. Malls start
doing well.
I do agree that the US will be a big problem.. but it's less than 5% of
the world's population. So when you say "oil isn't going anywhere".. that
might just be exactly the problem.
It won't be going into the
Chinese/Indian's/Europeans suddenly non-existent gas tanks. It may literally
not go anywhere at all just sit in Oklahoma until our government finds a
way to force feed it down our (again, 320million/7+billion) American
throats.
"US's status as reserve currency in large part due to oil"
Actually the US position of being able to control the world reserve
currency is due to its having been able to maintain military dominance over
the rest of the world.. And the primary role of the armies of the Empire has
been to maintain access to the world oil supply by simply printing money and
using it to keep the oil flowing into our SUV tanks.
No amount of bloodshed can change the fact that a finite resource that is
in high demand will eventually become scarce. In the case of an energy
source the measure of impending scarcity is decreasing EROI. Cooking oil out
of tar sands, drilling from floating platforms 10,000′ above the sea bed,
squeezing oil out of shale rock, and trying to build platforms in icebound
arctic seas-- could there be more graphic signs that the end is nigh?
which can now generate more energy than oil for every unit of energy
invested .
--
I doubt all energy inputs were included. Our entire economic system runs on oil
and the development of new technology depends on the entire system. Huge sunk
costs.
No big technological developments without transportation which is oil
intensive something tells me they are not including the energy requirements of
all global infrastructure that permits the development it these new
technologies.
Also, I thought they were starting to see problems with the supply of
silicon
"... Note how quickly the price of oil fell, when the objective was to economically harm revenues of the "gas station masquerading as a nation" (as McCain called his enemy), Russia. They wouldn't do that to benefit ordinary Americans, though they could have, long ago. ..."
"... And how quickly they were ready to export our own domestic oil surplus, and ordered laws be passed to do it, rather than have it accrue to the Americans to whom it really belongs. ..."
"... No, those "American Interests" are not the same as the interests of the millions of American people. ..."
"... Believe it or not, the CEOs of Exxon-Mobil, Shell or any other multinational hyper corporation don't consider what our opinions are, in the least, unless it creates a PR nightmare, in which case lawyers and liars are dispatched to distract ..."
"'Nor are these US interests that are of such geopolitical importance to politicians, congruent
with the interests of hundreds of millions the actual American people.
"Unless those people want 'cheap' oil ?"
Note how quickly the price of oil fell, when the objective was to economically harm revenues
of the "gas station masquerading as a nation" (as McCain called his enemy), Russia. They wouldn't
do that to benefit ordinary Americans, though they could have, long ago.
And how quickly they were ready to export our own domestic oil surplus, and ordered laws be
passed to do it, rather than have it accrue to the Americans to whom it really belongs.
No, those "American Interests" are not the same as the interests of the millions of American
people.
Believe it or not, the CEOs of Exxon-Mobil, Shell or any other multinational hyper corporation
don't consider what our opinions are, in the least, unless it creates a PR nightmare, in which
case lawyers and liars are dispatched to distract.
"Global oil discoveries fell to a record low in 2016 as
companies continued to cut spending and conventional oil
projects sanctioned were at the lowest level in more than 70
years, according to the International Energy Agency (EIA).
Both trends could continue this year, and the EIA warns
that global oil supply could lag demand after 2020 unless new
investments are approved soon."...
Posted on
April 25, 2017
by
Yves Smith
Yves here. The article makes a comment in passing
that bears teasing out. The inflation that started
in the later 1960s was substantially if not entirely
the result of Lyndon Johnson refusing to raise taxes
because it would be perceived to be to pay for the
unpopular Vietnam War. Richard Nixon followed that
approach.
By Michael Bordo, Professor
of Economics, Rutgers University. Originally
published at
VoxEU
Scholars and policymakers interested in the
reform of the international financial system have
always looked back to the Bretton Woods system as an
example of a man-made system that brought both
exemplary and stable economic performance to the
world in the 1950s and 1960s. Yet Bretton Woods was
short-lived, undone by both flaws in its basic
structure and the unwillingness of key sovereign
members to follow its rules. Many commentators hark
back to the lessons of Bretton Woods as an example
to possibly restore greater order and stability to
the present international monetary system. In a
recent paper, I revisit these issues from over a
half century ago (Bordo 2017).
The Bretton Woods system was created by the 1944
Articles of Agreement at a global conference
organised by the US Treasury at the Mount Washington
Hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, at the height
of WWII. It was established to design a new
international monetary order for the post war, and
to avoid the perceived problems of the interwar
period: protectionism, beggar-thy-neighbour
devaluations, hot money flows, and unstable exchange
rates. It also sought to provide a framework of
monetary and financial stability to foster global
economic growth and the growth of international
trade.
The system was a compromise between the fixed
exchange rates of the gold standard, seen as
conducive to rebuilding the network of global trade
and finance, and the greater flexibility to which
countries had resorted in the 1930s to restore and
maintain domestic economic and financial stability.
The Articles represented a compromise between the
American plan of Harry Dexter White and the British
plan of John Maynard Keynes. The compromise created
an adjustable peg system based on the US dollar
convertible into gold at $35 per ounce along with
capital controls. The compromise gave members both
exchange rate stability and the independence for
their monetary authorities to maintain full
employment. The IMF, based on the principle of a
credit union, whereby members could withdraw more
than their original gold quotas, was established to
provide relief for temporary current account
shortfalls.
It took close to 15 years to get the Bretton
Woods system fully operating. As it evolved into a
gold dollar standard, the three big problems of the
interwar gold exchange standard re-emerged:
adjustment, confidence, and liquidity problems.
The
adjustment
problem in Bretton Woods
reflected downward rigidity in wages and prices
which prevented the normal price adjustment of the
gold standard price specie flow mechanism to
operate. Consequently, payment deficits would be
associated with rising unemployment and recessions.
This was the problem faced by the UK, which
alternated between expansionary monetary and fiscal
policy, and then in the face of a currency crisis,
austerity – a policy referred to as 'stop-go'. For
countries in surplus, inflationary pressure would
ensure, which they would try to block by
sterilisation and capital controls.
A second aspect of the adjustment problem was
asymmetric adjustment between the US and the rest of
the world. In the pegged exchange rate system, the
US served as central reserve country and did not
have to adjust to its balance of payments deficit.
It was the
n-1th
currency in the system of
n
currencies (Mundell 1969). This asymmetry
of adjustment was resented by the Europeans.
The US monetary authorities began to worry about
the balance of payments deficit because of its
effect on
confidence
. As official dollar
liabilities held abroad mounted with successive
deficits, the likelihood increased that these
dollars would be converted into gold and that the US
monetary gold stock would eventually reach a point
low enough to trigger a run. Indeed by 1959, the US
monetary gold stock equalled total external dollar
liabilities, and the rest of the world's monetary
gold stock exceeded that of the US. By 1964,
official dollar liabilities held by foreign monetary
authorities exceeded that of the US monetary gold
stock (Figure 1).
Figure 1.
US gold stock and
external liabilities, 1951-1975
Source
: Banking and Monetary
Statistics 1941‐1970, Washington DC Board of
Governors of the Federal Reserve System, September
1976, Table 14.1, 15.1.
A second source of concern was the dollar's role
in providing
liquidity
to the rest of the
world. Elimination of the US balance of payments
deficits (as the French and Germans were urging)
could create a global liquidity shortage. There was
much concern through the 1960s as to how to provide
this liquidity.
Robert Triffin (1960) captured the problems in
his famous dilemma. Because the Bretton Woods
parities, which were declared in the 1940s, had
undervalued the price of gold, gold production would
be insufficient to provide the resources to finance
the growth of global trade. The shortfall would be
met by capital outflows from the US, manifest in its
balance of payments deficit. Triffin posited that as
outstanding US dollar liabilities mounted, they
would increase the likelihood of a classic bank run
when the rest of the world's monetary authorities
would convert their dollar holdings into gold
(Garber 1993). According to Triffin when the tipping
point occurred, the US monetary authorities would
tighten monetary policy and this would lead to
global deflationary pressure. Triffin's solution was
to create a form of global liquidity like Keynes'
(1943) bancor to act as a substitute for US dollars
in international reserves.
Policies to Shore Up the System
The problems of the Bretton Woods system were
dealt with by the IMF, the G10 plus Switzerland, and
by US monetary authorities. The remedies that
followed often worked in the short run but not in
the long run. The main threat to the system as a
whole was the Triffin problem, which was exacerbated
after 1965 by expansionary US monetary and fiscal
policy which led to rising inflation.
After a spike in the London price of gold to
$40.50 in October 1960 – based on fears that John F
Kennedy, if elected, would pursue inflationary
policies – led the Treasury to develop policies to
discourage Europeans from conversing dollars into
gold. These included:
Moral suasion on Germany with the threat of
pulling out US troops;
The creation of the Gold Pool in 1961, in
which eight central banks pooled their gold
reserves in order to keep the London price of
gold close to the $35 per ounce parity price;
The issue of Roosa bonds (foreign currency
denominated bonds);
The General Arrangements to Borrow in 1961,
which was an IMF facility large enough to offer
substantial credit to the US;
Operation Twist in 1962, in which the US
Treasury bought long term debt to lower long
term interest rates and encourage investment,
while the Federal Reserve simultaneously sold
short-term Treasury bills to raise short-term
rates and attract capital inflows; and
The Interest Equalization Tax in 1963, which
imposed a tax on capital outflows.
The US Treasury, aided by the Federal Reserve,
also engaged in sterilised exchange market
intervention.
The main instrument used by the Fed to protect
the gold stock was the swap network. It was designed
to protect the US gold stock by temporarily
providing an alternative to foreign central bank
conversion of their dollar holdings into gold. In a
typical swap transaction, the Federal Reserve and a
foreign central bank would undertake simultaneous
and offsetting spot and forward exchange
transactions, typically at the same exchange rate
and equal interest rate. The Federal Reserve swap
line increased from $900 million to $11.2 billion
between March 1962 and the closing of the gold
window in August 1971 (see Figure 2 and Bordo et al.
2015)
Figure 2.
Federal Reserve swap
lines, 1962 –1973
Source
: Federal Reserve System.
The swaps and ancillary Treasury policies
protected the US gold reserves until the mid-1960s,
and were viewed at the time as a successful policy.
The Breakdown of Bretton Woods, 1968 to 1971
A key force that led to the breakdown of Bretton
Woods was the rise in inflation in the US that began
in 1965. Until that year, the Federal Reserve
Chairman, William McChesney Martin, had maintained
low inflation. The Fed also attached high importance
to the balance of payments deficit and the US
monetary gold stock in its deliberations (Bordo and
Eichengreen 2013). Beginning in 1965 the Martin Fed
shifted to an inflationary policy which continued
until the early 1980s, and in the 1970s became known
as the Great Inflation (see figure 3).
Figure 3
. Inflation rates
Source
: US Bureau of Labor
Statistics, IMF (various issues).
The shift in policy mirrored the accommodation of
fiscal deficits reflecting the increasing expense of
the Vietnam War and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society.
The Federal Reserve shifted its stance in the
mid-1960s away from monetary orthodoxy in response
to the growing influence of Keynesian economics in
the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, with its
emphasis on the primary objective of full employment
and the belief that the Fed could manage the
Phillips Curve trade-off between inflation and
unemployment (Meltzer 2010).
Increasing US monetary growth led to rising
inflation, which spread to the rest of the world
through growing US balance of payments deficits.
This led to growing balance of payments surpluses in
Germany and other countries. The German monetary
authorities (and other surplus countries) attempted
to sterilise the inflows but were eventually
unsuccessful, leading to growing inflationary
pressure (Darby et al. 1983).
After the devaluation of sterling in November
1967, pressure mounted against the dollar via the
London gold market. In the face of this pressure,
the Gold Pool was disbanded on 17 March 1968 and a
two-tier arrangement put in its place. In the
following three years, the US put considerable
pressure on other monetary authorities to refrain
from converting their dollars into gold.
The decision to suspend gold convertibility by
President Richard Nixon on 15 August 1971 was
triggered by French and British intentions to
convert dollars into gold in early August. The US
decision to suspend gold convertibility ended a key
aspect of the Bretton Woods system. The remaining
part of the System, the adjustable peg disappeared
by March 1973.
A key reason for Bretton Woods' collapse was the
inflationary monetary policy that was inappropriate
for the key currency country of the system. The
Bretton Woods system was based on rules, the most
important of which was to follow monetary and fiscal
policies consistent with the official peg. The US
violated this rule after 1965 (Bordo 1993).
Conclusion
The collapse of the Bretton Woods system between
1971 and 1973 led to the general adoption by
advanced countries of a managed floating exchange
rate system, which is still with us. Yet this
outcome (at least at the time) was not inevitable.
As was argued by Despres et al. (1966) in
contradistinction to Triffin, the ongoing US balance
of payments deficit was not really a problem. The
rest of the world voluntarily held dollar balances
because of their valuable service flow – the deficit
was demand-determined. In their view, the Bretton
Woods system could have continued indefinitely. This
of course was not the case, but although the par
value system ended in 1973 the dollar standard
without gold is still with us, as McKinnon (1969,
1988, 2014) has long argued.
The dollar standard was resented by the French in
the 1960s and referred to as conferring "the
exorbitant privilege" on the US, and the same
argument was made in 2010 by the Governor of the
Central Bank of China. However, the likelihood that
the dollar will be replaced as the dominant
international currency in the foreseeable future
remains remote. The dollar standard and the legacy
of the Bretton Woods system will be with us for a
long time.
'Because the Bretton Woods parities, which
were declared in the 1940s, had undervalued the
price of gold, gold production would be insufficient
to provide the resources to finance the growth of
global trade.'
Twenty years on from Britain's "lost decade" of
the 1920s - caused by repegging sterling to gold at
the pre-World War I parity - the same mistake was
repeated at Bretton Woods. (The US had made the
identical error in 1871, which required 25 years of
relentless deflation to sweat out Civil War
greenback inflation.)
Even as the Bretton Woods conference was underway
in 1944, it went unnoticed that the US Federal
Reserve had embarked on a vast buying spree of US
Treasuries. This was done to peg their yield at 2.5%
or below, in order to finance WW II at negative real
yields. By 1945, US Treasuries (shown in blue and
orange on this chart) loomed larger in the Fed's
balance sheet than gold (shown in chartreuse):
Obviously a fixed gold price is utterly
incompatible with a central bank expanding its
balance sheet with government debt, reducing its
gold holdings to the tiny residual that they
constitute today.
Bretton Woods might have worked by limiting
central banks' ability to monetize gov't securities.
Or it might have worked with the gold price allowed
to float with expanding central bank assets,
according to a formula.
What was lost with Bretton Woods was fixed
exchange rates, which are conducive to trade. Armies
of traders seeking to extract rents from
fluctuations between fiat currencies are a pure
deadweight loss to the global economy.
In North America, sharp depreciations of the
Mexican and Canadian currencies against the USD are
fanning US protectionism, in forms ranging from a
proposed border wall to countervailing duties on
Canadian lumber and dairy products. What a mess.
Irredeemable fiat currencies are a tribulation
visited on humanity. When the central bank blown
Bubble III explodes in our fool faces, this insight
will be more widely appreciated.
Fiat currency is a tribulation visited on
capitalist trade advocates and their financial
backers.
International trade, which is hobbled by fiat
currencies as you say, was a rounding error in
most peoples lives until the Thatcher/Reagan
neoliberal innovations.
Since then that rounding error has rounded
away most of the distributive properties of the
economic systems so distorted to facilitate
capital profits through long distance trade that
they are impoverishing enough people that Brits
vote Brexit, Yanks vote Trump and French vote Le
Pen.
Bretton Woods would have worked a lot better
if Keynes had won the argument in favor of
"bancor", but he was arguing from a position of
weakness and lost out.
And yes, when this blows, as it will, it will
all become more widely appreciated.
missing from the article is the decision to
raise the price of oil in order to put most of
the 3rd world into debt slavery. This
exasperated the inflation mentioned, caused by
US deficits. Because the US was still a
manufacturing leader and the Unions were strong
– we had the wage price stagflation of the
70's,. The elites solution – Nixon went to China
– not to open up a market of a billion people
but to make use of a disciplined labor force
that would work for cheap – breaking the power
of the unions with globalisation aided by
computers. The Republicans in the US and
Thatcher in England broke the unions in the
80s.Clinton went along in the 90s. Was that plan
a factor in the decision to leave the gold
standard?
This was most interesting for its lack of regret
for losing a dollar pegged to $35 oz. gold. It is
almost a rationale for letting inflation and deficit
spending occur because in the end the system using a
reserve currency works as good as anything. I do
think the expense of the Vietnam war and the obvious
policy that it was necessary to allow inflation
(from the 70s onward) was incomplete, looking at
everything today, because it was based on an
assumption that we humans could just aggressively
keep growing our way into the future like we had
always done. Already in 1970 there were
environmental concerns, well-reasoned ones, and
global warming was being anticipated. If it had been
possible to use a hard gold standard we might not be
in this ecological disaster today, but there would
have been some serious poverty, etc. The obvious
policy today is to put our money into the
environment and fix it and by doing that put people
to work for a good and urgent cause. As opposed to
bombing North Korea; building a Wall to nowhere;
giving money to corporations which do not contribute
to repairing the planet; and impoverishing people
unnecessarily, etc. Money, in the end, is only as
valuable as the things it accomplishes.
Wrong on your poverty concept. It is the
inflation associated with a reckless fiat
monetary system that causes much of the poverty.
Prior the fiat era there was minimal inflation.
As Keynes explained in his prophetic criticism
of the Treaty of Versailles, The Economic
Consequences of the Peace, when he called
attention to Lenin, of all people:
"By a continuing process of inflation,
governments can confiscate, secretly and
unobserved, an important part of the wealth of
their citizens. By this method, they not only
confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily;
and, while the process impoverishes many, it
actually enriches some. The sight of this
arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not
only at security, but at confidence in the
equity of the existing distribution of wealth.
Those to whom the system brings windfalls . . .
become 'profiteers', who are the object of the
hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism
has impoverished not less than the proletariat.
As the inflation proceeds . . . all permanent
relations between debtors and creditors, which
form the ultimate foundation of capitalism,
become so utterly disordered as to be almost
meaningless.
Lenin was certainly right. There is no
subtler, nor surer means of overturning the
existing basis of society that to debauch the
currency. The process engages all the hidden
forces of economic law on the side of
destruction, and does it in a manner which not
one man in a million is able to diagnose."
The core problem with hard currency is
the power asymmetry of the fixed interest
contract in whatever form.
Because costs are constant and growing
under such contracts, income requirements
become "sticky": in a market reverse, wage
earners, renters, mortgage holders etc are
obligated by these contracts and cannot
accept a cut in their wage unless they have
adequate financial reserves. Recessions soak
these reserves from debtors to creditors
despite the loose underwriting of creditors
in the speculative and ponzi phases of the
Minsky cycle being the root cause of the
business cycle, not profligacy or
irresponsibility by wage earners and small
business people. In a depression, this
liquidationist dynamic starts working its
way up the the industrial supply chain,
dismantling the actual means of production.
The main potential public benefit of fiat
currency is that in such conditions it costs
the state nothing to preserve the wealth of
those not implicated in causing the collapse
and to preserve those means of production.
Unfortunately, what we saw in 2008 was
Bush/Obama using the innocent victims of the
business cycle to "foam the runway" for the
institutions that caused it.
Poverty is a simple result of being cut
off from possible income sources. To the
extent that inflation is managed with what
Keynes called "a reserve army of the
unemployed", high levels of poverty are
assured. In the high wage, high cost era of
the New Deal, the intent was take what
burden of financial risk could be taken off
of workers and small producers and to
provide good paying opportunities for one
cycle's economic losers to get back on their
feet in the next cycle. But this only works
with full employment where labor has the
power to bid for a share of the overall
returns on investments.
I found this fascinating and quite
persuasive.
But unless you can posit the existence
of a state that will reliably act to
"preserve the wealth of those not
implicated in causing the collapse and
to preserve those means of production"
it is just a useless academic exercise.
I do not see any such state anywhere in
view, with the possible exception of the
Chinese, who seem to understand
"preserving the means of production" as
a state priority. For the West however
that idea is a real howler.
If it had been possible to use a hard
gold standard we might not be in this
ecological disaster today, but there would
have been some serious poverty, etc.
Some serious poverty only if because the
elites would have been even more neoliberal.
The last gold-standard-free 50 years of
innovation and growth have made extinct
1. Shoes that last more than a few months
2. Clothes that you can pass on to future
generations
3. Likewise, furniture
4. Milk or Coke in glass bottles
etc.
Isn't that because we have evicted
competition from our global commercial model
and replaced it with planned production so
every factory knows the size of its likely
market?
At what point would China, for example, be able
to assert more of a reserve currency, or at least
alternative, role based on its economic and trade
power and build-up of hard and financial assets? Or
is their near-term internal surplus recycling
through uneconomic lending enough to keep them
off-balance for quite a while on the world financial
stage? Many in the West are watching the development
of the One Belt/One Road infrastructure and shifting
country linkages and alliances with grave concern.
The key to reserve status is large external
holdings of your monetary instruments: for
foreigners to transact in your currency they
must have it. China, thus far, fails profoundly
on this count, no one has its currency.
The inverse of this is that the best way for
the US to end the dollars reserve status is to
eliminate the "National Debt", which is in fact
nothing other than the inventory if dollar
instruments the rest of the world holds in order
to be able to spend dollars into our system:
eliminate that inventory and the dollar will no
longer be a reserve currency.
This raises the large question of whether
"reserve status" is actually beneficial.
Apparently it consists largely of being
enormously in debt – and in fact, it's been
a way for Japanese and Chinese to buy up
large chunks of our "means of production."
The prosperity of my original home town,
Columbus, IN, rests on Japanese
"investment." It does mean some good
Japanese restaurants in town.
To me the question is, who benefits
from it? It has been of great benefit to
a very particular set of people here in
the US and quite destructive since the
70s to most everyone else.
It is a power relationship that has
been used for imperial aims rather than
for the good of citizens. It needn't be
that way, but as US power has become
increasingly unaccountable its abuse of
this particular tool has grown.
First, the US could just as easily
deficit spend. We are not "in debt"
because the US can always create more
dollars to retire Treasury bonds.
The requirement for being a reserve
currency is running trade deficits. That
does require that furriners take and
hold your paper. They prefer bonds or
other investments to cash to get some
yield.
Running ongoing trade deficits also
means that you are using your domestic
demand to support jobs overseas. That is
the problematic feature, not all of this
other noise.
The concept of a reserve currency came
about from resolution 9 of the Genoa
Monetary Conference of 1922. The idea was
that any currency that was convertible to
gold was de facto equivalent to gold and
therefore an acceptable central bank reserve
asset. In other words there is really no
such thing as an international reserve
currency without gold in the system
according to the very reasoning that
established the idea. The U.S. pulled off
the greatest bait and switch in history when
it "suspended" the gold window in 1971. The
whole system because an enormous debt based
Ponzi scheme after that and we are now
dealing with the consequences.
And yes the key to reserve status: is
large external holdings of your monetary
instruments for foreigners to transact in".
But what incentive do they have to hold such
a currency and transact in it? Remember they
don't need it since they generally run trade
surpluses. The answer was, because that
currency was convertible to gold. What about
now when it is not tied to gold? Why hold
the currency of profligate debtor nation?
Answer provided in post below.
And anyone who thinks that running large
trade and budget deficits is the secret to
reserve currency status is a moron.
Argentina or Paraguay could just as easily
produce the necessary surplus liquidity
under that logic.
" But what incentive do they have to
hold such a currency and transact in it?
Remember they don't need it since they
generally run trade surpluses. "
Restart back at the very beginning,
forget everything you know, and try
again.
"They" got foreign reserve currency
by selling to the US and getting paid in
dollars. Their banks then traded the
dollars to the PBoC central bank for
freshly printed renimbi.
yes, but why would the central
bank endlessly collect another
country's debt?
And you inadvertently point out
one of the key frauds in the system.
The dollar supports a double pyramid
of credit, one domestic and the
other foreign. There is also a third
pyramid of credit, the euro dollar
market, which is built on top of the
U.S. domestic pyramid of credit, but
lets ignore that for now.
So "they" give us real stuff made
of raw material and labor inputs and
we give them wampum!!! Greatest scam
in history.
"The dollar supports a double
pyramid of credit, one domestic
and the other foreign. "
Except the PBoC prints the
Many Yuan to buy dollars from
the Chinese banking system. The
value of the Many Yuan is backed
by sales of exports, in that
case. A tiny little subset where
MMT (The imaginary version) is
actually in force. Then the PBoC
buys our debt with these foreign
reserves, which we wisely spend
on our country and citizens.
Next, the Chinese banking
system, thru the power of The
Money Multiplier, uses that base
money to make loans and expand
credit to Chinese.
" The value of the Many
Yuan is backed by sales of
exports, in that case."
WTF? The value the "Many
Yuan" is backed by the sale
of exports which yields
wampum, uh I mean dollars,
and they purchase the
dollars with the many yuan
they created. The PBoC
expands its balance sheet to
buy those dollars with yuan
created from nothing, hence
the double pyramid of
credit. The dollars get lent
back to us in the form of
U.S. government securities
because we issue the word's
"boomerang" currency.
And yes you can run a
system like this; for how
long? That is the big
question.
And you have misunderstood
what those reserves are for. The
Fed also can't spend all of
those US assets it holds on its
balance sheet either, now can
it?
The use of foreign currency
reserves is to defend the
currency and keep the IMF away.
Having a currency depreciate
rapidly leads to a big inflation
spike (unless you are close to
being an autarky) due to the
prices of foreign goods, in
particular commodities, going up
in your currency.
China is not self sufficient
in a whole bunch of things,
including in particular energy.
It had a spell last year when
it was running through its FX
reserves at such a rate that it
would have breached the IMF
trouble level for an economy of
its size if it had persisted for
4-6 months more.
A chemist, a physicist and
economist are ship wrecked on a
deserted island with only some
canned goods for food. They sit down
to figure out how they are going to
open the cans. To which the
economist says: "assume we have a
can opener"
Three MMT Economists are
stranded on a desert island.
They say, "WTF's a can
opener? That sounds like work!"
and live 3 months and are then
rescued by Skipper, Gillian,
Mary Ann and the Perfesser too,
on an Easter Break Tour. Ginger
and Mr. Howe are downstairs busy
downstairs knocking up.
They are living happily ever
after in Kansas City, Mo.
Seems to me the dollar system will work until
it doesn't. And those who run it have been doing
all within their power for about 15 years to
encourage anyone who can to come up with an
alternative.
None look viable, and they won't until
suddenly one is.
The euro isn't one due to the mess its
banking system is in. Japan doesn't want the
job and in any event is a military
protectorate of the US.
China is a minimum of 20 years away. Even
though it would like the status of being the
reserve currency, it most decidedly does not
want the attendant obligations, which are
running ongoing trade deficits, which is
tantamount to exporting jobs. Maintaining
high levels of employment and wage growth
are the paramount goals for China's leaders.
There are underreported riots pretty much
all the time in China due to dissatisfaction
over labor conditions now. The officialdom
is not going to commit political suicide.
Domestic needs always trump foreign goals.
Just getting around to reading Piketty's
doorstopper and was struck by his argument that
prior to WWI there had been very little inflation
worldwide for centuries. It was the need to pay off
all the war debt that shook things up.
Graeber's book on debt also makes the argument
that money as physical circulating metal currency
came about because of the need to pay for wars.
Something similar seems to have been going on
with the Bretton Woods agreement.
I know it's crazy but I'm just going to throw it
out there – maybe if we'd like a more stable economy
we could try starting fewer very destabilizing,
extremely expensive wars???
That is exactly my thought. There is a
disturbing cycle of war, monetary expansion to
pay for the war, post-war deflation leading to
political instability, leading to a repeat of
the cycle, at least in Europe and the U.S.
One can see this even in the period between
the creation of the Bank of England through the
end of the Napoleonic wars.
It is evident as well in the United States
pre- and post-Civil war.
Deficit hawks never seem to have a problem
with war-time deficit spending, only general
welfare deficit spending.
We could have a system where the fiscal power
of the state is fully harnessed for the general
welfare, but that would threaten the current
system which allows a small minority to
overwhelmingly reap the benefits of the money
creation power of the state and private banks.
This renders the issue a political one more
than a purely economic one. If history is any
guide, we will continue to have the kind of
political uncertainty we've experienced until
there has been enough war spending to start the
cycle over again. :(
" The inflation that started in the later 1960s
was substantially if not entirely the result of
Lyndon Johnson refusing to raise taxes "
I'm almost afraid to ask, but how does this make
sense? Any increase in taxes will be passed on to
the consumer to increase prices even more. If you
doubt this, watch what Trump's import taxes do to
prices.
No, you have been propagandized by the right
wing anti tax people.
Taxes drains demand from the economy. Lower
demand means more slack, more merchants having
to compete with each other, some headcount cuts,
etc.
By deficit spending in an economy that was
already at full employment, Johnson basically
guaranteed inflation. Both his own former
economist, Walter Heller, and Milton Friedman
warned against it. But because Heller was a Dem
and an outlier (most Dems weren't gonna
challenge their own party's policies), it was
Friedman's warnings that were publicized.
Another subject that is relevant to the current
post 2008 collapse and FED shenanigans to save the
day. i.e. save their cronies. And what it is
completely missing in this piece written by the
insiders is exactly that Bretton Woods; Cui
Bono:namely US ruling elite and new world order
after WWII.
Bretton Woods was a monetary session of the
overall conference 1944-1945 of new world order
namely a formal switch from British empire global
dominance system into American global dominance
system and trade/monetary policies were just an
important but small part of overall new global
political and military arrangement.
Global pound was killed, global dollar has been
created and blessed by western sphere of influence
and defended by supposedly the most powerful US
militarily in the world, [as was British navy
before] US military of global reach via US navy and
air force.
The political symbolism of Bretton Woods
conference correlated with invasion of Normandy in
June 1944, the last step in defeating Nazism in
Europe cannot be understated.
Also the dominance of two figures of White and
Keynes in this conference is an exemplification of
closing era of British empire as a world [decaying
at that time] leader which was accelerated by the
role of Japanese and German/Italian aggression in
colonial Asia, Africa [also helped by French
surrender to Nazis that spurred western support for
independent French colony of Algeria] and ME boosted
up the anti-colonial movements and political
parties, which like in Vietnam even US supported
during WWII.
Little known fact is that Nazis championed
themselves as anti-colonial force in ME while they
attempted to colonize eastern Europe.The many Arabs
fell for this propaganda siding with Nazis against
British colonialism in Palestine setting themselves
against Jews vehemently anti Nazi at that time.
In other words Bretton Woods was a consequence of
the fact that British empire was collapsing fast
ironically with the help of its allies and that
Included Soviets. Also helped that British were
broke and all the British Gold was already in the US
as a payment for bankrolling British defenses in
Europe since 1940 and elsewhere, so were Soviet gold
payments for military technology and materiel they
received from US and allies.
The political void had to be filled or it would
have been filled by Soviets, and hence the Bretton
Woods system was not based on unfettered
exploitation of slaves of newly expanded US empire
what US Oligarchy would have liked and was freely
practicing before 1929, but for ideological reason
was aimed for economic improvements in order to stem
massive anti-capitalist, communist and anti-colonist
movements that threatened western hegemony over the
world and hence the dreaded anti-capitalist words
used by in Bretton Woods system like fixed exchange
rate or blasphemous capital controls, things the
would crucify you if you utter them today during a
seminar in any Ivy league economy department.
Bretton Woods was primarily a tool into an
ideological war west and Soviets knew they would
have to fight, cold or hot.
This [economic dominance] war ended in mid
nineteen sixties when seeds of collapse of Soviet
Union and betrayal of leftist ideals and
socialist/communists movements all over the world
were sawed and hence Bretton Woods was no longer
needed and brutality of unfettered capitalist could
begin to return starting with Kennedy tax cut
freeing capital in private hands and then FED going
full fiat in later 1960-ties, capital flow
deregulation, free floating currencies, all that for
benefit of oligarchic class and of colossal
detriment to American workers, devastating result of
which we are experiencing now.
One of the great ironies of Bretton Woods is
that Harry Dexter White, the US rep at the talks
was in fact a Soviet agent. I wonder if he
understood monetary economics enough to hope
that the Bretton Woods gold standard system, as
opposed to Keynes bancor proposal, would self
immolate with a run on US gold stocks and take
the West down with it.
Let's think of "root causes", both Keynes
and White were big fans of Soviet-style
command and control top-down planned
economies ("I have seen the future and it
works!"). So that's what they divined and
devised for money: a top-down price-fixing
regime.
So while people would laugh themselves
silly if you told them we were going to
price things the way the Soviets did ("we'll
raise X number of cows because we'll need Y
quantity of shoe leather"), we somehow
accept central planning for the price of the
most important item of all: money itself.
The supreme geniuses at the Fed et al, with
their supreme formulae, can divine at any
moment precisely what the price of money
should be. This, of course, is folly.
And people should understand that the
gold standard (not the gold-exchange
standard it is often confused with) was not
designed, was not somehow imposed, and was
not agreed upon by some collective body. It
simply arose organically because time and
again through painful experience throughout
history it was shown that any system where
people can simply vote themselves more money
ends in tears. Not usually, but always.
You'd think that a 100% historical failure
rate would clue people in to rethink the
head-hammer-hitting approach.
And as Dr. Haygood points out above,
"everything floating against everything
else" is nothing but a colossal waste of
time and money. You wouldn't attempt to
build or make something without an agreed
and immutable unit of measure.
Completely untrue of Keynes. He ran
the UK Treasury twice very pointedly in
the interests of industrial capitalists.
He was however very opposed to financial
rents, a real classicist in that regard.
Keynes ran the UK treasury twice more
or less along classical lines: in favor
of industrial capitalism and against
financial rents. Not top down, not
Soviet. Its not clear where you get your
facts, fiat systems have lasted hundreds
of years many times. They tend to arise
in empires with secure borders. They
depend on the productive relations of
their societies for the value of their
money rather than a commodity hedge.
Warfare favors the commodity hedge
because the productive relations in a
society are frequently destroyed by war.
Because of the stickyness of wages, hard
currency tends to choke economic growth
because a fixed money supply has to be
spread increasingly thin as more real
wealth is created to be denominated with
a fixed quantity of specie, requiring
wages to drop because there is more
stuff to purchase.
Each has benefits and costs, both are
tools and while the one favors growth
and the other war, neither must be used
for either. A representative system will
use either as its constituencies direct,
an authoritarian one according to the
intent of the authority. It isn't tools
that make the problems, though some are
better for some purposes than others. It
is the intent of the powerful that is
expressed and from which others suffer.
@jsn " fiat systems have lasted
hundreds of years many times."
what? can you please back that
statement up. Only major fiat system
in history that I have ever seen
written about is the one that
existed in China several hundred
years ago. If there were others you
need to give some examples.
I think you objected to my
comments without actually refuting
them:
1. We have a top-down price fixing
money system;
2. Keynes and White were a big fans
of Soviet central planning (see The
Battle for Bretton Woods for chapter
and verse);
3. And I've never understood the
"fixed quantity of specie" argument.
Surely it's about price, not
physical quantity. You could easily
run the world economy on 100 tons of
gold if it was priced accordingly.
Michael Hudson's book Superimperialism, published
astonishingly in 1972, nailed it. Details some great
history of FDR's economic diplomacy during the late
Depression and WW2 period that preceded the Bretton
Woods settlement. Worth a read.
yes Michael Hudson is great, but that is why
he must be marginalized/ignored. Can't maintain
control of the official narrative if people like
Hudson were to ever be taken seriously..
"However, the likelihood that the dollar will be
replaced as the dominant international currency in
the foreseeable future remains remote. The dollar
standard and the legacy of the Bretton Woods system
will be with us for a long time."
That is the BIG question and the answer remains
to be seen. I for one don't believe it will continue
much longer, but then again nobody knows. Bordo also
leaves out a critical part of the narrative, i.e.,
the U.S. secret deal with Saudi Arabia in 1974 to
officially tie the dollar to oil. See link below for
details. Without this secret arrangement the dollar
would have never survived as the international
reserve currency. The Saudis reportedly pushed for
greater use of the SDR, but the U.S. made them a
deal they couldn't refuse and the Saudi royal family
realized that if they didn't go along with U.S.
demands the CIA would find some other branch of the
family that would.
The system is a mess and it is retarded to allow
one country's currency to serve as the main reserve
asset for the system. That is the ultimate free
lunch and the equivalent to believing in a perpetual
motion machine. It is hard to believe in can
continue much longer despite of Bordo's view that it
will. It has reached a point where it has created
massive problems that can not continue.
So in a sense when China and Russia are
forced to hold dollars for global trade,
they're essentially paying for the Pentagon
to do what it's doing. You can see why
they'd be mad.
It is almost a gift from heaven when fixing a
single problem offers the chance to fix a whole
bunch of them. This IMHO is very possibly one of
those gifts. Without this "ultimate free lunch"
the globalization scam of allowing this
country's and the world's 1% to keep adding
zeros to their bank accounts ("to keep score" as
Pres. Trump puts it) would not have been
possible. Without countries like Saudi Arabia
willing to keep accepting more "debt that can't
be repaid (and) won't be", the US military
industrial complex would not be able to keep
increasing its threat to world peace and
threatening the survival of humanity. Without
the Saudi stranglehold over politics and US
Middle Eastern policy the US could stop killing
Muslims in its bogus 'war on terror'. It could
get busy replacing its fossil fuel energy
sources with renewable ones and its oil-powered
transportation system with an electrified one
(yes, maybe even a few EVs)
It is hard to believe in can continue
much longer despite of Bordo's view that it
will.
And yet where is the dollar's replacement?
If you'd told me ten years that the
petrodollar as an institution enforcing
compliance w. the dollar as global reserve
currency could end and yet the dollar would
continue with that status, I'd have laughed at
you. However, that increasingly looks like it
might happen.
Yes, yes, I know - we await the basket of
currencies solution pushed by China and Russia,
and others sick of the situation. We've been
waiting for a while now.
I'm thinking globalization has something
to do with the dollar's longevity. Strip a
country of the ability to support itself by
exporting its jobs and it's people become
dependent on a strong military to insure
it's money continues to be "accepted" even
when it's people no longer have anything to
trade for what they really need.
@Moneta, these numbers are
roughly correct. The U.S. defense
budget is about $600 billion, the
trade deficit is about $600 billion
and last year we issued $1.4
trillion in incremental debt.
Foreigners own about 40% of U.S.
debt. 40% of of $1.4 trillion is
$560 billion so yes there is a
pretty strong correlation. Massive
defense budget wouldn't be possible
without reserve currency scam.
I'm completely confused. Anything available in
plain English for laypeople?
"The adjustment problem in Bretton Woods
reflected downward rigidity in wages and prices
which prevented the normal price adjustment of the
gold standard price specie flow mechanism to
operate"
Canada which was one of the founding members of
Bretton Woods pulled out as early as 1949 in order
to move to a floating exchange rate and full capital
mobility. Bretton Woods was dead before it ever
began.
MOSCOW - The American and European sanctions against the Russian
oil industry
have dashed, at least for now, the Western oil majors' ambitions to
drill in the Arctic Ocean.
But drilling will continue all the same, Russian government and state oil company
officials have been taking pains to point out, ever since
the sanctions
took effect over the summer.
"We will do it on our own," Igor I. Sechin, the president of Russia's
state-controlled oil company, Rosneft, told journalists in October. "We'll continue
drilling here next year and the years after that."
Rather than throw in the towel in the face of Western sanctions intended to halt
Russia's Arctic oil ambitions by stopping technology transfers, the Russians have
responded with plans to "Russify" the technology to be deployed in the world's
largest effort to date to extract oil from the thawing Arctic Ocean.
The solution to tapping the Arctic, Yevgeny Primakov, a former prime minister, told a
group of high officials in October, "is found first of all in our own industrial
base."
A major hurdle is already cleared: An Exxon-led joint venture discovered oil in the
Russian sector of the Arctic Ocean in September, proving the region holds
commercially viable volumes of oil.
Rosneft is already laying plans to drill without Western oil major cooperation. Along
with Exxon, Eni of Italy and Statoil of Norway had joint ventures to work with
Rosneft in the Kara, Laptev, and Chukchi seas above Russia.
After the September sanctions
suspended those deals
, Rosneft negotiated to rent from Gazprom four Russian
ice-class drilling rigs for next season's exploration work, should Exxon still be
sanction-barred from doing the work next summer.
Rosneft has also booked six rigs from North Atlantic Drilling, a unit of Seadrill of
Norway, under contracts signed in July and grandfathered in under the sanctions.
The Russians are in early talks with the Chinese over sailing rigs from the South
China Sea to the Arctic Ocean, industry executives say.
This spring as the threat of sanctions loomed, Rosneft bought the Russian and
Venezuelan well-drilling business of Weatherford, adding to its in-house
capabilities.
A further "Russification" of the industry seems inevitable. In October, President
Vladimir V. Putin approved the creation of a state-owned oil services company, RBC, a
Russian business newspaper reported. The intention is to duplicate, as well as
possible, the services purveyed now by Halliburton, Baker Hughes and Schlumberger.
Certainly, some in the oil industry see the Russian official response as bluff,
asserting Rosneft has neither the skills nor the capital to drill for oil in its 42
offshore licenses blocks. Under the joint ventures, the Western companies financed
and managed the exploration work.
The three companies, Exxon, Eni and Statoil, were to invest $20 billion in
exploration, and the company has been mute on how it will replace that. Just this
summer, Exxon paid $700 million to drill the Universitetskaya-1 well in the Kara Sea.
Russia, meanwhile, does not even manufacture subsea hardware like well heads.
Rosneft's finances are restricted to 30-day loans under sanctions.
Yet the company and the Russian industry are already tooling up for just such an
effort.
The sheer uncertainty of sanctions is pushing the Russian industry to turn inward.
Russian companies, even those who prefer to work with U.S. oilfield equipment or
services providers because the cost or quality is better, can never know when new
sanctions might scuttle a deal.
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"The client looks at you and says 'I like you, I like your product, but you are not
dependable,' " Alexis Rodzianko, the director of the American Chamber of Commerce in
Russia said in an interview.
Russia now has a "hierarchy of procurement" placing domestic and Asian companies
first, U.S. companies last.
"The consensus in Russia is this is not a one-off, short-term problem," Ildar
Davletshin, an oil analyst at Renaissance Capital in Moscow, said in an interview, of
the Russian effort to pivot to domestic and Asian suppliers.
"Nobody will just sit and wait" for sanctions to be lifted, he said.
Whether Russian technology can fill the gap left by Western oil majors as the country
prepares for the extraordinary engineering challenge of oil drilling under the Arctic
ice remains an unsettled question within the industry.
Russia brings Soviet legacy technologies, including the world's only fleet of nuclear
icebreakers, awesome machines of immense power, with names like 50 Years of Victory
and Yamal, which sail year-round in the Arctic Ocean.
"Let's not underestimate them," said one oil company executive who visited Exxon's
West Alpha rig this summer, but could not speak publicly because of company policy.
Russians are no strangers to the north, and the cold. "They are determined to do it.
They might do it on their own."
The Russian intention to do just that became clear out on the Arctic Ocean at the end
of the short drilling window this summer.
Ice floes were already creeping down from the polar ice cap in tongues when the U.S.
government announced Sept. 12 that Exxon was to halt all assistance to Rosneft by
Sept. 26, in response to Russian military assistance to a rebel counteroffensive
against the Ukrainian Army in late August.
The Exxon crew stopped drilling, though the well was only about 75 percent complete.
In an early indication of the Russians' intentions to go it alone after sanctions,
Rosneft executives told Exxon they would not allow the
West Alpha rig
to leave Russian waters without finishing the well, according to
the oil company executive familiar with events on the platform in September.
If Exxon withdrew American engineers, Rosneft would fly out a Russian replacement
crew, putting the localization plan into immediate action, the executive said.
Rosneft's press service contested this characterization of the company's position,
calling it a "fiction."
In the end, Exxon obtained an extension on its waiver to the sanction from the U.S.
Treasury Department, stretching the window for work with Rosneft in the Arctic until
Oct. 10.
The Arctic Ocean, Mr. Sechin said later that month in the interview with Bloomberg
News at the drilling site in the Kara Sea, is Russia's "Saudi Arabia" of oil, vast
and pivotal to Russia's national interests.
Rosneft's website estimates the Kara Sea's reservoirs hold about 87 billion barrels
of oil and the equivalent in
natural gas
, calling this more than the deposits of the Gulf of Mexico, the
Brazilian shelf or the offshore potential north of Alaska and Canada.
After a daylong pause on Sept. 12 to Sept. 13, the Russian brinkmanship worked: The
American crew continued drilling and about a week later, in mid-September, discovered
a vast oil deposit, holding about 750 million barrels of oil. Mr. Sechin thanked
Western partners for the find, and named the field Pobeda, or Victory.
MOSCOW - The Russian government announced Wednesday that it will sell nearly 20 percent of its
state
oil company,
Rosneft , to the Swiss commodity trading firm Glencore and the
sovereign wealth fund of Qatar.
The deal defies expectations that no investor would dare buy a share in the Russian asset, given
Western sanctions against the government of President Vladimir V. Putin.
But the emergence of foreign money suggests that investors are reassessing the sanctions after
the election of Donald J. Trump, who has advocated warming ties with authorities in Moscow and is
considering the chairman of Exxon Mobil, Rex W. Tillerson, as a candidate for secretary of state.
Mr. Tillerson criticized the sanctions as harmful for business after they halted an Exxon joint
venture with Rosneft to drill for oil in the Kara Sea, in
Russia 's sector of the Arctic Ocean.
The deal will bring Moscow $11.3 billion to help plug a widening budget deficit as Russia fights
two wars, in Syria and Ukraine, and has struggled to meet pension payments and public-sector payrolls.
The agreement came as a surprise twist in the privatization of Rosneft. With an end-of-the-year
deadline looming, no buyers had come forward for the 19.5 percent share in the world's largest publicly
traded oil company, as measured by production and reserves. The apparent lack of bidders was a pessimistic
sign for investor interest in Russia.
The Russian government had for most of the year planned to sell shares back to the majority state-owned
company itself, which would hardly have qualified as a genuine privatization.
The sanctions limit long-term lending and transfer of American technology for drilling offshore
and shale oil deposits.
The deal carries other risks as well. Both Glencore and the Qatari fund, the Qatar Investment
Authority, have extensive investments in emerging markets. The Qatar fund is also an investor in
Glencore.
The announced price valued Rosneft at $58 billion, slightly less than the company's stock market
value at the close of trading in Moscow on Wednesday, of just under $59 billion.
Both the market price of shares and the sale price for the 19.5 percent stake announced Wednesday
are a relative bargain, indicating the Russian government's eagerness to cut a deal to shore up its
finances.
Saudi Arabia has reportedly canceled or restructured economic and
infrastructure projects worth billions of dollars.
Reuters in a report quoted government sources as saying that the Saudi
government had ordered ministries and organizations to review the projects to
either scrap or make them more efficient.
The report added that most of the projects that had been targeted were those
that had been devised during lavish government spending buoyed by crude oil
prices above $100 per barrel.
However, they would no longer be cost-efficient with oil at below $55 per
barrel.
Riyadh's Bureau of Capital and Operational Spending Rationalization is now
assessing the projects that are under 25 percent complete, the sources told
Reuters.
"Some projects could be retendered so they can be executed in partnership
with the private sector, possibly through build-operate-transfer (BOT)
contracts," one source familiar with the plan told the agency.
"Other projects could be suspended if they do not meet the current economic
objectives," the source said.
The finances of Saudi Arabia, the world's second largest crude producer
after Russia and largest oil exporter, have been hit by a downturn in oil
prices that were above $100 a barrel in 2014, but start to plunge to well below
$40 in 2016.
The plunge in global oil prices prompted Riyadh to rein in public spending
in a bid to save money. The kingdom's economic measures are being led by
Salman's son, Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud.
Earlier last year, the Riyadh regime cancelled financial perks for public
sector employees and slashed salaries of ministers and members of the
Consultative Assembly of Saudi Arabia, also known as the Shura Council.
It further froze major building projects and made unprecedented cuts to fuel
and utilities subsidies.
Ren Lugay
18
hours ago
Hmmm, no money to complete social infrastructure projects
but always spare cash to buy cluster munitions from the
Great Satan and Israel to bomb innocent civilians in
Yemen.
Saudi Arabia has launched a massive multi-billion-dollar plan which is
expected to increase the kingdom's production of electricity from renewable
sources by 10 percent within the next few years.
Reuters said in
a report that the plan envisaged the construction of 30 solar and wind projects
by 2023.
The projects – that would be meant to boost the kingdom's electricity
generation and reduce crude oil burning – could generate 9.5 gigawatt of
renewable energy.
The initiative involves investment estimated between $30 billion and $50
billion, Reuters reported.
On a related front, the news service said the Saudi Energy Minister Khalid
al-Falih on Monday announced the beginning of the bidding for a project to
produce 300 megawatt of solar power.
The project is expected to come online by 2018-2019.
"The energy mix to produce electricity will change, today the kingdom uses
large quantities of oil liquids, including crude, fuel oil and diesel," Falih
was quoted as saying.
"So the percentage of renewable energy by 2023 (will be) 10 percent of total
installed capacity in the kingdom."
Based on an ambitious economic reform program launched last year, known as
Vision 2030, Saudi Arabia is seeking to use non-oil means to generate much of
its additional future energy needs to avoid running down oil resources and
diversify its economy.
The kingdom is restructuring its energy sector as part of Vision 2030 and a
focus on renewable projects is a pillar of this transformation as it would help
develop the private sector and create thousands of jobs, Reuters added.
"... Hopefully everyone involved in defending Bakken production upswings will not disappear into the woodwork next month, or the month after, when production drops again. ..."
"... Of course marginal shale oil wells that are at or below economic limits get shut in during winter, or get shut in and stay shut in because workover costs to restore production simply do not make economic sense. ..."
"... Re-frac's cost more money. At $20.00 per barrel net back prices a $2.5-3.0M re-frac requires ANOTHER 137,000 BO to payout. Productivity should never be confused with profitability (or lack thereof); in the end the latter always wins out. ..."
"... A little more time and realized production data will prove that downsizing actually reduced UR per incremental well and was yet another economic disaster in a string of economic disasters for the shale oil industry, the biggest being oversupply and an ensuing 70% drop in product prices. ..."
Hopefully everyone involved in defending Bakken production upswings will not disappear into
the woodwork next month, or the month after, when production drops again.
Of course marginal shale oil wells that are at or below economic limits get shut in during
winter, or get shut in and stay shut in because workover costs to restore production simply do
not make economic sense. There are gazillions of those kinds of well in all three of America's
shale oil basins. There need not be a flush 'uptick' of production when those wells come back
on line (that's investor presentation dribble), in fact it can be just the opposite because of
bubble point/higher water saturations.
Re-frac's cost more money. At $20.00 per barrel net back prices a $2.5-3.0M re-frac requires
ANOTHER 137,000 BO to payout. Productivity should never be confused with profitability (or lack
thereof); in the end the latter always wins out.
Imagine a situation where you are drilling these $6.5M wells so close together (Marathon at
330 feet, toe to toe) that you have to "protect" them by shutting them in for prolonged periods
of time while you frac a new well 3000 feet away. That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
A little more time and realized production data will prove that downsizing actually reduced
UR per incremental well and was yet another economic disaster in a string of economic disasters
for the shale oil industry, the biggest being oversupply and an ensuing 70% drop in product prices.
The actual reserve that is being produced in the Bakken was "discovered, undeveloped and developed"
in 2013, and not covered by the USGS. It's difficult to find break out information for individual
areas in most companies reports but I don't think there was more than about 5 Gb developed and
undeveloped reserves in 2013, and it might have declined a bit since then, even including actual
production.
When I give the cumulative output of the scenarios, it is
from the start of production in the Bakken/TF in ND, about 1.6 Gb had
been produced at the end of 2015 and Bakken Three Forks proved reserves
were about 5 Gb at the end of 2015, that gets us to 6.6 Gb, typically
there are probable reserves as well, though we would have to guess at how
much. Also as oil prices increase in the future 2P reserves are likely to
increase.
Note that the F95 USGS TRR estimate for the ND Bakken Three Forks is
about 7.2 Gb, if we assume probable reserves at the end of 2012 were zero
(in my view not a very good assumption). What do you think is a
reasonable estimate for probable reserves if proved reserves are 5 Gb?
Your guess would be better than mine. For UK North Sea a typical number
would be 3 Gb of probable for 5 Gb of proved (all UK North Sea reserves).
For the Bakken it would likely be lower, maybe 1 Gb of probable for 5 Gb
of proved reserves might be a reasonable guess.
Bakken average well profile from June 2015 to Dec 2017 shown below
(after that the EUR decreases).
If you pull up data at shaleprofile.com
and look at wells from 2014 to 2017, there are 1388 Three Forks wells
that have been producing for 20 months (cumulative is 118kb) and there
are 1689 Middle Bakken wells (cumulative is 143kb@20 months). So
lately (past 3 years) a fairly large proportion of wells have been
Three Forks wells (about 45%). After 36 months the difference in
cumulative output is about 30 kb (TF is lower at 155kb@36 mo, Bakken
is 185 kb at 36 months).
I think you are mixing proved reserves from EIA with the
undiscovered numbers from USGS. The proved reserves might have some
basis and 5 to 6 might be right, I haven't sen any kind of detail
of how they are arrived at. But that is not the same oil as in the
USGS report – it was mostly already known about in 2012 when the
E&Ps stopped drilling wildcats. Since then they have been
converting probable to proven, and in some cases writing off some
of the reserves. If you want to include the USGS data then it
should be added to whatever there was as 2P in 2012 as a final
recovery.
I don't know where there 1300+ Three Forks wells come
from – the ND production wells for January shows only 1 well in the
Three Forks and 45 Three Forks / Bakken. There are other pool's
like Sanish and Madison. Madison is a big producer so maybe that is
counted as Three Forks in USGS. The ND DMR overall production up to
2015 gives 10 million for Three Forks / Bakken, 1600 for Bakken,
950 for Madison and < 1 for Three Forks alone.
The 220,000 EUR I quoted was for the Three Forks alone from
USGS, not Bakken.
The money lines which can not be more accurate as it relates to those on this forum who take
1 or 2 data points and make industry wide conclusions
are:
"Changes in technology and industry practices, combined with an increased understanding of
the regional geologic framework, can have a significant effect on what resources become technically
recoverable. "
"It's amazing what a little more knowledge can yield," said USGS scientist Stan Paxton, lead
author of the assessment."
Which means gas prices will stay low, further killing coal.
And it may also mean more support for the Paris Accord so that gas producers will see pressure
for countries to switch from coal to gas. Gas producers will have something to gain if coal burning
is phased out.
It also occurred to me that if natural gas prices stay low, that should keep electricity prices
low, which should help EVs. I've already seen my local utility promoting the Nissan Leaf.
If electric utilities can move into transportation that gives them a very big new market. It
also expands their influence.
China crude oil imports increased to a record 9.21mb/day in March 2017 versus 8.32mb/day in February
2017 (7.33 barrels per ton conversion) – Chinese customs data. I guess China is still filling
it's SPR.
Before I had read this I had been wondering why news articles were saying that world
oil inventories had decreased a little. Inventories often build into April. Also news agencies
estimates are still saying that OPEC oil exports are holding steady and have not decreased in
line with their production cuts, I guess that they have been exporting from their inventories.
"... I tend to now think oil shortages may be sooner rather than later. ..."
"... A couple of big project start-ups for Angola and Kazakhstan have been delayed for a year, Iran and Iraq are not developing at all as quickly as they'd planned (and others expected), there are much fewer, short cycle, small tie backs getting approved than I thought would be the case, offshore drilling in general just isn't picking up, and there seems to be early indications that the cuts in maintenance and brownfield investments from 2014 are impacting availabilities (e.g. with more unplanned downtime) and decline rates (i.e. steeper). So instead of late 2018 for start of big stock draws it may be autumn this year. ..."
"... It depends also, of course, on how demand changes, whether OPEC (really Saudi) are making voluntary cuts and have increasing spare capacity, or are following a forced decline due to surface facility limitations, and what happens in the Permian which at the moment seems increasingly desperate and bonkers by both investors and the E&Ps, but may turn out to be exactly right. ..."
"... I think this is a neoclassic way of thinking. Oil is the strategic, political tool. So price of oil is a politically important variable. That's why oil wars were fought. As simple as that. ..."
"... We already saw that world oil production was virtually flat in 2015 and 2016 (2015: 96.80 vs. 2016: 97.17 ) but demand increased (1.4 Mb/d per year I think, so around 2.8 Mb/d for two years) which for some reason did not affect much oil prices. ..."
"... I think the elephant in the room is the financial system and its interaction with the oil industry. They are now new OPEC and are able to dictate the price (within certain limits) via derivatives. Probably not without some help from KSA, which practiced damping in 2015 and 2016. ..."
"... Most assumed that in a year or year and a half max prices will return to more or less "normal" levels, as non-OPEC producers, which usually have higher cost of production, will be decimated. And then should move higher. ..."
"... At prices below $80 or so shale oil production is impossible without generating junk bonds and that means that money are still flowing to shale drillers. Not as much as in good old times, but they are flowing; despite clear indication that most probably those loans will never be repaid in full. Something is really fishy here. ..."
"... I wonder if the USA is able to keep oil under $60 (outside few spikes) for two more years. ..."
I think I tend to agree with the banks – i.e. I don't really have a clue, and cover myself
by changing my mind every couple of days.. But I tend to now think oil shortages may be sooner
rather than later.
A couple of big project start-ups for Angola and Kazakhstan have been delayed for a year,
Iran and Iraq are not developing at all as quickly as they'd planned (and others expected), there
are much fewer, short cycle, small tie backs getting approved than I thought would be the case,
offshore drilling in general just isn't picking up, and there seems to be early indications that
the cuts in maintenance and brownfield investments from 2014 are impacting availabilities (e.g.
with more unplanned downtime) and decline rates (i.e. steeper). So instead of late 2018 for start
of big stock draws it may be autumn this year.
It depends also, of course, on how demand changes, whether OPEC (really Saudi) are making
voluntary cuts and have increasing spare capacity, or are following a forced decline due to surface
facility limitations, and what happens in the Permian which at the moment seems increasingly desperate
and bonkers by both investors and the E&Ps, but may turn out to be exactly right.
On the other hand IEA OMR report come out yesterday – and their worries about a supply crash
soon, which were evident a few months back, seem to have gone away, at least for the moment.
"Indeed, although the oil market will likely tighten throughout the year, overall non-OPEC
production, not just in the US, will soon be on the rise again. Even after taking into account
production cut pledges from the eleven non-OPEC countries, unplanned outages in Canada as well
as in the North Sea, we expect production will grow again on a year-on-year basis by May."
I don't really have a clue, and cover myself by changing my mind every couple of days..
LOL
You are not alone. I tend to think eventually output will fall below demand and oil prices
will rise if that ever occurs. When that actually happens? I do not know, perhaps never, my latest
guess is first half of 2018 (tomorrow the guess may change.)
I suppose over the short term there will be cycles. In a very optimistic scenario by 2032 the
3 year centered moving average of World C+C output will be trending lower (with three year average
output peaking at 87 Mb/d). A more pessimistic scenario has the 3 year peak in 2016 at about 80.5
Mb/d and a reasonable guess is mid way between these scenarios with a 3 year average peak in 2024
at about 84 Mb/d. Growth rates will vary with the boom bust cycle, so smooth trend lines will
not be followed, output will cycle above and below in ways that are difficult to predict in advance.
I think this is a neoclassic way of thinking. Oil is the strategic, political tool. So
price of oil is a politically important variable. That's why oil wars were fought. As simple as
that.
We already saw that world oil production was virtually flat in 2015 and 2016 (2015: 96.80
vs. 2016: 97.17 ) but demand increased (1.4 Mb/d per year I think, so around 2.8 Mb/d for two
years) which for some reason did not affect much oil prices.
I think the elephant in the room is the financial system and its interaction with the oil
industry. They are now new OPEC and are able to dictate the price (within certain limits) via
derivatives. Probably not without some help from KSA, which practiced damping in 2015 and 2016.
I think there are powerful forces that will try to keep oil below $60 because that's
the difference between the US economics in secular stagnation mode and the US economics in recession.
In this sense the balance of supply and demand does not matter until there are real oil shortages.
Only in the latter case derivatives are of no or little help.
It is very interesting how primitive was behavior of OPEC in late 2016: they decided to cheat
on themselves as Ron pointed out. This is really primitive, almost tribal level of thinking. And
it might repeat. That's another factor that might limits upside. Unless they are really in trouble
and reached peak production capacity.
Rereading posts and articles from early 2015 is also very sobering if you assume neoclassical
"supply and demand stochastic equilibrium" exists for oil (which IMHO is a false assumption).
It suggests that few people in 2015 understood the predicament. Most assumed that in a
year or year and a half max prices will return to more or less "normal" levels, as non-OPEC producers,
which usually have higher cost of production, will be decimated. And then should move higher.
That did not happen. Instead we have had almost flat level of non-OPEC production(2015: 58.77
vs. 2016: 58.18 ); it lies probably within the accuracy of measurements +- 0.5 MB/d .
At prices below $80 or so shale oil production is impossible without generating junk bonds
and that means that money are still flowing to shale drillers. Not as much as in good old times,
but they are flowing; despite clear indication that most probably those loans will never be repaid
in full. Something is really fishy here.
Also please compare your old views with the current situation:
As the Wall Street Journal's Benoit Faucon and Summer Said report: "Saudi Arabia, Iraq and
Kuwait believe $60 a barrel will lift their economies and allow for more energy-industry
investment, the officials said, without jump starting too much American shale output, which can
be ramped up and down with prices more easily than most oil production. Saudi Arabia, Iraq and
other members of the 13-nation cartel have signaled they will push to extend those cuts for
another six months on May 25, when they meet in Vienna." Crude prices are influenced by a hard to
predict group of variables, from Chinese demand and supply disruptions in the Middle East to the
amount of crude U.S. frackers pull out of the ground. Oil prices hit $100 a barrel in 2014 before
the market collapsed.
If the Federal Reserve can create trillions of dollars with a single keystroke, and the Fed
is the government's bank, then why does President Obama claim we've "run out" of money?
Why have Democrats and so-called progressives supported job-killing budget cuts in the name
of "shared sacrifice"? Why are we throwing away the equivalent of $9.8 billion in lost output
every single day? Why don't we do something about our $2.2 trillion infrastructure deficit, 25
million underemployed and unemployed Americans, 100 million Americans in or very near poverty,
and so on?
The answer is simple. Most of us don't understand the monetary system. Instead of deciding
how the government should wield its power over the dollar, we live in fear of the ratings agencies,
the Chinese, the bond market vigilantes and other imaginary evils. And this holds all of us back.
Unused resources abound, human needs go unmet, and the vast majority of Americans believe that
'There Is No Alternative' (TINA). Or, as Warren Mosler says, "Because we fear becoming the next
Greece, we're turning ourselves into the next Japan."
There is an alternative. And it begins with an understanding of the monetary system. The cat
is already out of the bag. Chairman Bernanke confirms it. Money is no object.
RGC,
the people here have been brainwashed and can not think for themselves. If it has not been approved
by their favorite academic, it is a crank theory. they'd rather believe in fairy tales like NGDP
level targeting - the fed will wish it into reality. Rather than pay attention to the MMT that
you and I subscribe to.
Moreover it is logical for them to stick to the "the Fed is omnipotent" as it bids up asset prices
and maintains the status quo. It vests more power in the institutions that benefit the people
you see here.
Blame the right, blame the deregulators, blame the tax cutters, blame the liberatarians, etc.
that is the how they maintain the status quo. And Mosler is right on - Bernanke turned us into
Japan trying to save us from that fate. And he is sliding down the rabbit hole - "I should have
doubled down on my failed strategy"
why? because he was able to bid up the stock market? I bet you everyone of the Fed worshippers
here benefit personally from the asset price binges that the stupid Fed has gotten us addicted
to.
Per Rubin and his cronies in the Wall Street banking cartel, the Fed is fine as it is...serving
the interests of the Wall Street banking cartel. The cartel has a good think going...why disrupt
it by taking into account the public good?
Has Rubin ever done anything in the interest of the public?
China and Currency Values: Fast Growing Countries Run
Trade Deficits
I don't generally comment on pieces that reference me, but
Jordan Weissman has given me such a beautiful teachable
moment that I can't resist. Weissman wrote * about Donald
Trump's reversal on his campaign pledge to declare China a
currency manipulator. Weissman assures us that Trump was
completely wrong in his campaign rhetoric and that China does
not in fact try to depress the value of its currency.
"It's pretty hard to argue with that. Far from devaluing
its currency, China has actually spent more than $1 trillion
of its vaunted foreign reserves over the past couple of years
trying to prop up the value of the yuan as investors have
funneled money overseas. There are some on the left, like
economist Dean Baker, who will argue that Beijing is still
effectively suppressing the redback's value by refusing to
unwind its dollar reserves more quickly. But if China were
really keeping its currency severely underpriced, you'd
expect it to still have a big current account surplus,
reminiscent of 10 years ago, which it doesn't anymore."
Okay, to start with, I hate the word "manipulation" in
this context. China isn't doing anything in the dark of the
night that we are trying to catch them at. The country pretty
explicitly manages the value of its currency against the
dollar, that is why it holds more than $3 trillion in
reserves. So let's just use the word "manage," in reference
to its currency. It is more neutral and more accurate.
It also allows us to get away from the idea that China is
somehow a villain and that we here in the good old US of A
are the victims. There are plenty of large U.S. corporations
that hugely benefit from having an under-valued Chinese
currency. For example Walmart has developed a low cost supply
chain that depends largely on goods manufactured in China. It
is not anxious for the price of the items it imports rise by
15-30 percent because of a rise in the value of the yuan
against the dollar.
The same applies to big manufacturers like GE that have
moved much of their production to China and other developing
countries. These companies do not "lose" because China is
running a large trade surplus with the United States, they
were in fact big winners.
Okay, but getting back to the issue at hand, I'm going to
throw the textbook at Weissman. It is not true that we should
expect China "to still have big current account surplus" if
it were deliberately keeping its currency below market
levels.
China is a developing country with an annual growth rate
of close to 7.0 percent. The U.S. is a rich country with
growth averaging less than 2.0 percent in last five years.
Europe is growing at just a 1.0 percent rate, and Japan even
more slowly. Contrary to what Weissman tells us, we should
expect that capital would flow from slow growing rich
countries to fast growing developing countries. This is
because capital will generally get a better return in an
economy growing at a 7.0 percent rate than the 1-2 percent
rate in the rich countries.
If capital flows from rich countries to poor countries,
this means they are running current account surpluses. The
capital flows are financing imports in developing countries.
These imports allow developing countries to sustain the
living standards of their populations even as they build up
their infrastructure and capital stock. In other words, if
China was not depressing the value of its currency we should
it expect it to be running a large trade deficit.
This is actually the way the world worked way back in the
1990s, a period apparently beyond the memory of most
economics reporters. The countries of East Asia enjoyed
extremely rapid growth, ** while running large trade
deficits. This all changed following the East Asian financial
crisis and the disastrous bailout arranged by Secretary of
Treasury Robert Rubin and friends. *** Developing countries
became huge exporters of capital as they held down the value
of their currencies in order to run large trade surpluses and
build up massive amounts of reserves.
But Weissman is right that China is no longer buying up
reserves, but the issue is its huge stock of reserves. As I
explained in a blogpost **** a couple of days ago:
"Porter is right that China is no longer buying reserves,
but it still holds over $3 trillion in reserves. This figure
goes to well over $4 trillion if we include its sovereign
wealth fund. Is there a planet where we don't think this
affects the value of the dollar relative to the yuan?
"To help people's thought process, the Federal Reserve
Board holds over $3 trillion in assets as a result of its
quantitative easing program. I don't know an economist
anywhere who doesn't think the Fed's holding of assets is
still keeping interest rates down, as compared to a scenario
in which it had a more typical $500 billion to $1 trillion in
assets.
"Currencies work the same way. If China offloaded $3
trillion in reserves and sovereign wealth holdings, it would
increase the supply of dollars in the world. And, as Karl
Marx says, when the supply of something increases, its price
falls. In other words, if China had a more normal amount of
reserve holdings, the value of the dollar would fall,
increasing the competitiveness of U.S. goods and services,
thereby reducing the trade deficit."
So, there really are no mysteries here. China is holding
down the value of its currency, which is making the U.S.
trade deficit worse. It is often claimed that they want their
currency to rise. That may well be true, which suggests an
obvious opportunity for cooperation. If the U.S. and China
announce a joint commitment to raise the value of the yuan
over the next 2-3 years then we can be fairly certain of
accomplishing this goal.
This should be a very simple win-win for both countries.
Walmart and GE might be unhappy, but almost everyone else
would be big winners, especially if we told them not to worry
about Pfizer's drug patent and Microsoft's copyright on
Windows.
== quote ==
In much of the world, of course, electricity demand is still
growing. In China, per-capita electricity use has more than
quadrupled since 1999. Still, most other developed countries
have experienced a plateauing or decline in electricity use
similar to that in the U.S. over the past decade. And while
the phenomenon has been most pronounced in countries such as
the U.K. where the economy has been especially weak, it's
also apparent in Australia, which hasn't experienced a
recession since 1991.
== end of quote ==
From comments:
One interesting data point that should be within that
"industrial" number: "U.S. aluminum production has gone from
2.5 million tons in 2005 to 1.6 million in 2015."
http://www.seattletimes.com...
Aluminum smelting uses a lot of electricity, and that's a
36% decline. I'm not sure of the total electricity use of the
aluminum industry in the U.S. but it's conceivably big enough
to make a difference in that last graph.
It is unfortunate that Donald Trump seems closer to the
mark on China and trade than many economists and people who
write on economic issues for major news outlets. Today,
Eduardo Porter gets things partly right in his column *
telling readers "Trump isn't wrong on China currency
manipulation just late." The thrust of the piece is that
China did in fact deliberately prop up the dollar against its
currency, thereby causing the U.S. trade deficit to explode.
However, he argues this is all history now and that China's
currency is properly valued.
Let's start with the first part of the story. It's hardly
a secret that China bought trillions of dollars of foreign
exchange in the last decade. The predicted and actual effect
of this action was to raise the value of the dollar against
the yuan. The result is that the price of U.S. exports were
inflated for people living in China and the price of imports
from China were held down.
Porter then asks why the Bush administration didn't do
anything when this trade deficit was exploding in the years
2002–2007. We get the answer from Eswar Prasad, a former
I.M.F. official who headed their oversight of China:
"'There were other dimensions of China's economic policies
that were seen as more important to U.S. economic and
business interests,' Eswar Prasad, who headed the China desk
at the International Monetary Fund and is now a professor at
Cornell, told me. These included 'greater market access,
better intellectual property rights protection, easier access
to investment opportunities, etc.'"
Okay, step back and absorb this one. Mr. Prasad is saying
that millions of manufacturing workers in the Midwest lost
their jobs and saw their communities decimated because the
Bush administration wanted to press China to enforce Pfizer's
patents on drugs, Microsoft's copyrights on Windows, and to
secure better access to China's financial markets for Goldman
Sachs.
This is not a new story, in fact I say it all the time.
But it's nice to have the story confirmed by the person who
occupied the International Monetary Fund's China desk at the
time.
Porter then jumps in and gets his story completely 100
percent wrong:
"At the end of the day, economists argued at the time,
Chinese exchange rate policies didn't cost the United States
much. After all, in 2007 the United States was operating at
full employment. The trade deficit was because of Americans'
dismal savings rate and supercharged consumption, not a cheap
renminbi. After all, if Americans wanted to consume more than
they created, they had to get it somewhere."
Sorry, this was the time when even very calm sensible
people like Federal Reserve Board Chair Ben Bernanke were
talking about a "savings glut." The U.S. and the world had
too much savings, which lead to a serious problem of
unemployment. Oh, we did eventually find a way to deal with
excess savings.
Anyone remember the housing bubble? The demand generated
by the bubble eventually pushed the labor market close to
full employment. (The employment rate of prime age workers
was still down by 2.0 percentage points in 2007 compared to
2000 - and the drop was for both men and women, so skip the
problem with men story.)
Yeah, that bubble didn't end too well. So much for
Porter's no big deal story.
But what about the present, are we all good now?
Porter is right that China is no longer buying reserves,
but it still holds over $3 trillion in reserves. This figure
goes to well over $4 trillion if we include its sovereign
wealth fund. Is there a planet where we don't think this
affects the value of the dollar relative to the yuan?
To help people's thought process, the Federal Reserve
Board holds over $3 trillion in assets as a result of its
quantitative easing program. I don't know an economist
anywhere who doesn't think the Fed's holding of assets is
still keeping interest rates down, as compared to a scenario
in which it had a more typical $500 billion to $1 trillion in
assets.
Currencies work the same way. If China offloaded $3
trillion in reserves and sovereign wealth holdings, it would
increase the supply of dollars in the world. And, as Karl
Marx says, when the supply of something increases, its price
falls. In other words, if China had a more normal amount of
reserve holdings, the value of the dollar would fall,
increasing the competitiveness of U.S. goods and services,
thereby reducing the trade deficit.
At the beginning of the piece, Porter discusses the
question of China's currency "manipulation." (I would much
prefer the more neutral and accurate term "currency
management." There is nothing very secret here.) He tells
readers:
"It would be hard, these days, to find an economist who
feels China fits the bill."
Perhaps. Of course it would have been difficult to find an
economist who recognized the $8 trillion housing bubble, the
collapse of which wrecked the economy. As the saying goes,
"economists are not very good at economics."
Dr Krugman ignored another wrinkle in France leaving the euro; the euro
itself.
While GB joined the EU, it retained the british pound. So, Brexit won't
affect it monetarily. France, on the other hand, did convert to the euro
(in hindsight, another enormous mistake). Each euro has an identifier, similar
to how we designate the origin by Fed Reserve, which designates it's country
of origin.
So, should France leave the EU, would euros held by, say, someone in
Italy then become worthless? This isn't someone most people concern themselves
with. When was the last time someone on this blog check to see which dollars
in your wallet came from the Denver Fed? But, it may well be that the EU
would stop honoring French euros, should they leave.
Interesting conjecture, but a Euro printed in France belongs to the Euro
Area rather than to France in the same way that a dollar printed in Denver
belongs to the United States. There is by the way, to my understanding,
no treaty provision describing how any country in the Euro Area might leave.
"Start with the euro. The single currency was and is a flawed project, and
countries that never joined – Sweden, the UK, Iceland – have benefited from
the flexibility that comes from independent currencies. There is, however,
a huge difference between choosing not to join in the first place and leaving
once in."
Okay, but then the bank reserves
which are held at the Fed by law could be defined as part of "outside money", because they
aren't backed by anything in the private economy. Those reserves are established, or insisted
upon, by government fiat, in essence. We know those reserves are not really backed by a precious
metal or anything else but faith. So why are bank reserves held at the Fed not included in
the definition of "outside money"?
From the standpoint of the private
economy, reserves are 'outside money", because they circulate only within the Fed system. Currency
is inside money because it circulates within the private economy, although it also circulates
between government and private banks.
The monetary base is both currency and reserves.
So it takes a clear understanding of the purpose of the discussion and maybe even a Venn
diagram.
Outside money
is money that is either of a fiat nature (unbacked) or backed by some asset that is not in
zero net supply within the private sector of the economy.
Thus, outside money is a net asset for the private sector. The qualifier outside is short
for (coming from) outside the private sector.
Inside money is an asset representing, or backed by, any form of private credit that circulates
as a medium of exchange.
Since it is one private agent's liability and at the same time some other agent's asset,
inside money is in zero net supply within the private sector.
The qualifier inside is short for (backed by debt from) inside the private sector.
These are entries in accounts owned by the banks and put there by the banks and
are money. These can not be 'taken' by the govt without compensation per law.
JF, Sorry, I only meant that
the minimum reserves are established by the decree of the public-private partnership known
as the central bank. So I was using "fiat" in the sense of "law". I should not have written
that the bank reserves are established by gov't "fiat" in a discussion about money, because
that is confusing.
And the reason for this law is to make sure that banks can cover their
needs for cash, to prevent a run on the banking system.
But what this means, is that the ultimate foundation of part of the individual's trust in
the money that is used, is based upon the existence of the requirement for bank reserves. Otherwise,
people wouldn't trust the money supply. The trust is not based on any function more basic than
bank reserves.
What else do people trust? Well of course people already trust paper notes and coins in
daily transactions: they automatically suppose that the gov't backs it up. Backs it up, with
what?, they do not know; but it works. And for checks and debits, they suppose that the bank
is good for the cash -- which ultimately is based on the reserve requirement. So therefore,
"trust" of money by the common folk is presently based upon 2 things, the existence of currency
and the (vaguely understood yet reassuring) existence of bank reserves.
Well, the "money base" is defined as reserves + cash & coin. However, this seems to me to
be the same definition as "outside money". So I am still wondering if there is another difference
between the definitions.
Certainly people think of gold & silver as money, but if that is the only difference between
"monetary base" and "outside money", I think it would be easy to alter the definition of "currency"
to include them.
"... The developments in Syria should be factored in as an additional risk premium in the oil price going forward, especially now that oil inventories are drawing down and the market is no longer in massive surplus," ..."
"... which means we are likely to see $60 printed at times during this period ..."
"
The developments in Syria should be factored in as an additional
risk premium in the oil price going forward, especially now that oil
inventories are drawing down and the market is no longer in massive
surplus,"
said Bjarne Schieldrop, an analyst at SEB.
He expects
Brent to average $57.50 in the second quarter, "
which means we are
likely to see $60 printed at times during this period
."
Oil is in a solid
range that will keep oil pumping from all sources, there will be no shortages and price will be capped
by supply, imo, no higher than $56 to $60.
"EIA reports first weekly U.S. crude-oil supply decline in a month"
By Myra P. Saefong, Markets/commodities reporter...Apr 12, 2017...10:37 a.m. ET
"Oil futures extended gains Wednesday after data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration
showed that domestic crude supplies fell by 2.2 million barrels for the week ended April 7. The American
Petroleum Institute late Tuesday reported a 1.3 million-barrel decline, according to sources, while
analysts polled by S&P Global Platts forecast a climb of 125,000 barrels. Gasoline supplies also
declined by 3 million barrels, while distillate stockpiles were down by 2.2 million barrels last
week, according to the EIA. May crude CLK7, -0.24% rose 13 cents, or 0.2%, to $53.54 a barrel on
the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was trading at $53.46 before the supply data."
Denmark's government is proposing amending legislation to allow it to ban pipeline projects
on the grounds of foreign and security policy, due to concerns raised by Russian efforts
to build a disputed gas pipeline through Danish waters.
"We want to have the possibility to say yes or no from a perspective of security
and foreign policy," the minister of energy and climate, Lars Christian Lilleholt, told
Reuters, adding that it was currently only possible to veto such projects on the grounds
of environmental concerns .
Denmark and Sweden earlier this year requested that the European Commission intervene
in Nord Stream 2 before the two states agree on permits for the pipeline to pass through
their waters. EU diplomats said there was little scope for either nation to block the plan.
The current regulatory framework does not allow Denmark to say "no" to the construction
of transit pipelines in territorial waters on the basis of foreign policy considerations,
the ministry said in a statement .
EU sources have said the Commission, sensing that there may ultimately be no legal basis
to block approval of Nord Stream 2, is delaying it as long as possible .
Denmark's right-wing minority government would now negotiate with other parties to
win support for the proposal.
####
' sensing that there may ultimately be no legal basis to block approval..' – Well that's
quite a polishing of the EU turd when we
know
that the EU has no legal way to block
the pipeline, sic the opinion of the EU's own Legal Service. How delicate the EU stuffed
suits are that they cannot just admit it outright. Oh, but that would be a propaganda victory
for Russia. They should be grateful because if they had blocked it, it would have been a
very clear message that the EU's
Rule of Law
which it proudly pronounces around the
world is barely a fig leaf that is dropped as the slightest political pressure. It's a joke
already, but with a project as big as . as it has done with much political decisions
While they're creating magic out of whole cloth, why not a law that anyone who discovers
significant gas deposits anywhere must immediately hand them over to the EU for their exclusive
use and disbursement? Or a law that orders massive new gas deposits be discovered in Denmark?
I suspect that the government is having a slow news day and as there is absolutely no consequence
to Russophobia as it is essentially a free gift that keeps on giving when and wherever is
needed, i.e. to distract from domestic politics.
The Whole G7 'How can we f/k up Russia further' conveniently segues with the improvement
of Russia's economy and the continued failure of G7 sanctions against Russia. I'm not really
sure what else they can do without shooting themselves in the foot.
There's already been some whinging that the West's actions have only further driven it
in to China's arms, so WTF? I guess they have to come up with something that looks tough,
but isn't. After all, they will need to put out a key statement signed by them all. IN short,
'This spade is far too small. Let's go and get another one!'.
...But Larry is surprisingly blasé about a China problem:
excess savings (really, an East Asia problem, as Brad Setser
points out). I associate this problem with Summers' own work
on "secular stagnation"-persistent demand shortfalls even in
recovery. Another way to view sec stag is as a function of
excess savings: the globe is awash in more savings that we
have good, productive uses for. That, in turn, can lead to
depressed interest rates, credit bubbles, large trade
surpluses in savings glut countries, which in turn force
large trade deficits elsewhere, and high unemployment,
depending on what offsets are in play in trade deficit
countries. Larry himself has recognized this problem (as has
Ben Bernanke since the mid-2000s in his seminal savings glut
speech) and wisely called for public infrastructure
investment to help offset it.
Our trade deficit with China is 1.6 percent of GDP; that's
a significant drag on demand. In terms of offsets, the Fed is
pushing in the other direction (tightening) and the fiscal
authorities um Congress can't find the light switch. We're of
course doing better than most other advanced economies, but
here we are in year eight of an expansion and (slight) output
gaps still persist...
To Jared Bernstein - Bernanke's savings glut theory is a
classic exercise in
1) theory that is NOT backed up by
data. just because there is a persistent deficit vs China in
the US does not mean they are consuming less. we could be
consuming too much. (was there a savings glut vs. Japan
before East Asia and Europe before then?) The US has run
deficits since the Vietnam era. Surpluses do not prove
anything just like deficits dont prove US is overconsuming.
2) shifting blame to someone else. which is what Jared is
doing here and Bernanke was doing when he came up with this
bs.
3) If you look at China, gross investment rates at 50% of
GDP rates have left the country with debt levels that are
astronomical. A lot of people say a debt crisis is coming. If
you look at the reality on the ground, it is excess
investment. what demand shortfall?
Am I supposed to take the mutterings of these clueless
academics like Bernanke who blew 2 bubbles and blew up the
economy in 2007-08?
Give me some evidence, or give me a break from these
fanciful notions of a savings glut.
"... Probably the biggest single factor was public employment was savagely cut during the Obama presidency which would have kept economic activity higher at a fairly cheap cost. ..."
"... the owning/lending class tends to dislike inflation for some reason... ..."
"... I think this is highly dependent on one's understanding of "equitable". Monetary policy can be used in a way that ensures safe income streams to those who already own many financial assets. Some people think that is how it should be and therefore "equitable". ..."
"The central bank remains important for useful tasks - the clearing of checks, the replacement of
worn and dirty banknotes, as a loan source of last resort. These tasks it performs well.
With other public agencies in the United States, it also supervises the subordinate commercial
banks. This is a job which it can do well and needs to do better. In recent years the regulatory
agencies, including the Federal reserve, have relaxed somewhat their vigilance. At the same time
numerous of the banks have been involved in another of the age-old spasms of optimism and feckless
expansion. The result could be a new round of failures. It is to such matters that the Federal Reserve
needs to give its attention.
These tasks apart, the reputation of central bankers will be the greater, the less responsibility
they assume. Perhaps they can lean against the wind - resist a little and increase rates when the
demand for loans is persistently great, reverse themselves when the reverse situation holds.
But, in the main, control must be - as it was in the United States during the war years and the
good years following - over the forces which cause firms and persons to seek loans and not over whether
they are given or not given the loans."
-From "Money: Whence it came,Where it went" 1975 - pgs 305,6.
[Mariner Eccles explained it
way back in the 1930's:]
"Pushing on a String: An Origin Story
There's a long-standing metaphor in monetary policy that the central bank "can't push on
a string." It means that while a central bank can certainly slow down an economy or even drive
an economy into recession with an ill-timed or too-large increase interest rates, the power
of monetary policy is not symmetric.
When a central bank reduces interest rates in an attempt to stimulate the economy, it may
not make much difference if banks don't think it's a good time to lend or firms and consumers
don't think it's a good time to borrow. In other words, monetary policy is like a string with
which a central bank can "pull" back the economy, but pushing on a string just crumples the
string.
The "can't push on a string" metaphor appears in many intro-level economics texts.
It has also gotten a heavy work-out these last few years as people have sought to understand
why either economic output or inflation wasn't stimulated more greatly by having the Federal
Reserve's target interest rate (the "federal funds" rate) near zero percent for going on seven
years now, especially when combined with "forward guidance" promises that this policy would
continue into the future and a couple trillion dollars of direct Federal Reserve purchases
of Treasury debt and mortgage-backed securities.
The first use of "pushing on a string" in a monetary policy context may have occurred in
hearings before House Committee on Banking and Currency on March 18, 1935, concerning the proposed
Banking Act of 1935. Marriner Eccles, who was appointed Chairman of the Fed in 1934 and served
on the Board of Governors until 1951, was taking questions from Rep. Thomas Alan Goldsborough
(D-MD) and Prentiss M. Brown (D-MI). The hearings are here; the relevant exchange is on p.
377, during a discussion of what the Fed might be able to do to end deflation."
The Fed didn't try very hard
with its unconventional monetary policy. It was always worried about inflation. Plus it had
to overcome the unprecedented austerity which Congress pushed on the economy.
If you look
at the recovery and say monetary policy didn't work, you are either insane or highly ideological.
Now, the recovery could have been much quicker and better with the help of fiscal policy
and other policies.
Must be so, because the following certainly is not true =
"We are all Keynesians now"
OK, not all one way or the other but the Keynesians are under siege by monetarists including
ones that do not know what a monetarist is or that they are one.
It is not that monetary policy
is entirely ineffective at stimulating demand, but that its effects are very limited according
to the very narrow channels in which its effects are most pronounced, intermediation risks,
widening the term spread or yield curve, and making short term business loans and related prime
rate small short term loans. It does next to nothing towards reducing credit rationing by financial
institutions after a shock, which would be highly stimulative compared to just lowering the
FFR. Purchase of the riskiest assets by the Fed was probably most effective at reducing credit
rationing since it lowered the risk of bank loan portfolios. Just buying up safe assets had
mixed results on lowering long term interest rates, but was more successful on that than reducing
credit rationing.
All your jargon obscures the
point that the Fed didn't really try that hard with its unconventional policy b/c of politics.
It's like arguing that the ARRA didn't work very well. It did work and could have been bigger
and better but policymakers are too conservative when it comes to macro policy.
Tight money means credit rationing.
Cheap money does not necessarily get looser. Yes, widening the term spread helps loosen, but
narrowing the term spread does not. Other forms of monetary policy such as government loan
guarantees on small business loans loosen money more than QE.
Because you're wrong and misleading.
The Fed does the minimal amount of experimental unconventional policy - always paranoid over
inflation - while Congress forces unprecedented fiscal austerity on the economy. I'd say monetary
policy works. Doesn't mean fiscal policy doesn't work better.
"Now here we are, in 2017, after
the Obama Administration has brought the deficit down from $1.5 trillion in Fiscal Year 2009
to $621 billion in FY2016, "
Via Max Sawicky, below. $900 billion in austerity that monetary
policy had to fight against.
I don't think it is as simple
as you have outlined here. Debt as a percentage of GDP has doubled since 2009 so that has provided
some relief.
Probably the biggest single factor was public employment was savagely cut
during the Obama presidency which would have kept economic activity higher at a fairly cheap
cost.
"Debt as a percentage of GDP
has doubled since 2009 so that has provided some relief."
wut?
The largest difference was there was little to no Federal aid to the states which had to
run balanced budgets.
We can all agree after the ARRA ran its course, there was massive, unprecedented austerity
forced on the economy by Republicans, just as in the UK and we see the results when central
banks didn't do enough unconventional policy to fully offset it.
A crappy recovery and the election of Trump/Brexit.
I think this is highly dependent
on one's understanding of "equitable". Monetary policy can be used in a way that ensures safe
income streams to those who already own many financial assets. Some people think that is how
it should be and therefore "equitable".
I have no idea how monetary policy with its currently defined policy tools can be used effectively,
by itself, to redistribute wealth in the other direction, which is probably most people's understanding
of "equitable".
If it was, by itself, able to cause large jumps in inflation, that might feed back into
rapidly rising nominal wages and large losses to the current holders of financial assets like
bonds and loan books. That might be considered more "equitable" to some, but current limitations
on monetary policy prevent it from creating inflation all by itself.
RGC
April 08, 2017 at 06:53 AM
Re: The Economy May Be Stuck in a Near-Zero
World - Justin Wolfers
...................
"In a nutshell, the American economy appears to have changed in a way that undermines the effectiveness
of monetary policy but not fiscal policy, which may need to be wielded more actively."
......................
[The economy hasn't changed. Monetary policy has always been ineffective in stimulating demand and
is an instrument that neoclassical/neoliberal economists have used to avoid discussion of fiscal
policy. They serve their plutocratic masters in that way and thus reap their rewards of tenured professorships,
lucrative consulting positions, government positions and media acclaim.]
RGC -> RGC...
,
April 08, 2017 at 07:17 AM
As John Kenneth Galbraith remarked:
"The central bank remains
important for useful tasks - the clearing of checks, the replacement
of worn and dirty banknotes, as a loan source of last resort.
These tasks it performs well.
With other public agencies in the United States, it also supervises
the subordinate commercial banks. This is a job which it can
do well and needs to do better. In recent years the regulatory
agencies, including the Federal reserve, have relaxed somewhat
their vigilence. At the same time numerous of the banks have
been involved in another of the age-old spasms of optimism and
feckless expansion. The result could be a new round of failures.
It is to such matters that the Federal Reserve needs to give
its attention.
These tasks apart, the reputation of central bankers will
be the greater, the less responsibility they assume. Perhaps
they can lean against the wind - resist a little and increase
rates when the demand for loans is persistently great, reverse
themselves when the reverse situation holds.
But, in the main, control must be - as it was in the United
States during the war years and the good years following - over
the forces which cause firms and persons to seek loans and not
over whether they are given or not given the loans."
-From "Money: Whence it came,Where it went" 1975 - pgs 305,6.
[Mariner Eccles explained it way back in the 1930's:]
"Pushing on a String: An Origin Story
There's a long-standing metaphor in monetary policy that the
central bank "can't push on a string." It means that while a
central bank can certainly slow down an economy or even drive
an economy into recession with an ill-timed or too-large increase
interest rates, the power of monetary policy is not symmetric.
When a central bank reduces interest rates in an attempt to
stimulate the economy, it may not make much difference if banks
don't think it's a good time to lend or firms and consumers don't
think it's a good time to borrow. In other words, monetary policy
is like a string with which a central bank can "pull" back the
economy, but pushing on a string just crumples the string.
The "can't push on a string" metaphor appears in many
intro-level economics texts. It has also gotten a heavy work-out
these last few years as people have sought to understand why
either economic output or inflation wasn't stimulated more greatly
by having the Federal Reserve's target interest rate (the "federal
funds" rate) near zero percent for going on seven years now,
especially when combined with "forward guidance" promises that
this policy would continue into the future and a couple trillion
dollars of direct Federal Reserve purchases of Treasury debt
and mortgage-backed securities.
The first use of "pushing on a string" in a monetary policy
context may have occurred in hearings before House Committee
on Banking and Currency on March 18, 1935, concerning the proposed
Banking Act of 1935. Marriner Eccles, who was appointed Chairman
of the Fed in 1934 and served on the Board of Governors until
1951, was taking questions from Rep. Thomas Alan Goldsborough
(D-MD) and Prentiss M. Brown (D-MI). The hearings are here; the
relevant exchange is on p. 377, during a discussion of what the
Fed might be able to do to end deflation."
The Fed didn't try very hard with its unconventional monetary
policy. It was always worried about inflation. Plus it had to
overcome the unprecedented austerity which Congress pushed on
the economy.
If you look at the recovery and say monetary policy
didn't work, you are either insane or highly ideological.
Now, the recovery could have been much quicker and better
with the help of fiscal policy and other policies.
Must be so, because the following certainly is not true =
"We are all Keynesians now"
OK, not all one way or the other but the Keynesians are under
siege by monetarists including ones that do not know what a monetarist
is or that they are one.
It is not that monetary policy is entirely ineffective at stimulating
demand, but that its effects are very limited according to the
very narrow channels in which its effects are most pronounced,
intermediation risks, widening the term spread or yield curve,
and making short term business loans and related prime rate small
short term loans. It does next to nothing towards reducing credit
rationing by financial institutions after a shock, which would
be highly stimulative compared to just lowering the FFR. Purchase
of the riskiest assets by the Fed was probably most effective
at reducing credit rationing since it lowered the risk of bank
loan portfolios. Just buying up safe assets had mixed results
on lowering long term interest rates, but was more successful
on that than reducing credit rationing.
All your jargon obscures the point that the Fed didn't really
try that hard with its unconventional policy b/c of politics.
It's like arguing that the ARRA didn't work very well. It did
work and could have been bigger and better but policymakers are
too conservative when it comes to macro policy.
"... When the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to close to zero during the financial crisis, it was an extraordinary move. The central bank had hit the limits of conventional monetary policy, leaving the recovery to sputter along with less help than it needed ..."
"... A new study suggests that near-zero interest rates - accompanied by a lackluster recovery - may become a common occurrence. ..."
" When the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to close to zero during the financial
crisis, it was an extraordinary move. The central bank had hit the limits of conventional monetary
policy, leaving the recovery to sputter along with less help than it needed ."
This is a huge lie. The Fed did not do what it could have done. It did the minimal amount possible,
always afraid of setting off inflation. The Fed said it delivered the recovery it wanted. It gave
the economy exactly the help the Fed thought it needed. Then why the dishonesty from Wulfers.
It's the kind we get from PGL the Facile.
Why did the Fed deliver a lame recovery is the question Wolfers should be asking, but it's
the kind of thing mainstream economists like him and PGL avoid. It's class war.
" A new study suggests that near-zero interest rates - accompanied by a lackluster recovery
- may become a common occurrence.
That's troubling for many reasons. If the Fed can't cut rates as much as required to fight
a slowing economy, then recessions will become more common and more painful. It suggests an urgent
need to reconsider how we will counter the next bout of bad economic news, preferably before it
arrives. If monetary policy won't be enough, perhaps fiscal policy will be. Certainly, this is
no time for complacency."
Yes fiscal policy would help deliver a better recovery as the Fed has repeatedly said, but
again Wolfers is misleading his readers. The Fed could do more. It's not out of bullets. It's
raising rates. Wolfers is really doing a disservice to his readers in an apparent attempt to talk
up fiscal policy in a dishonest way. WTF.
"But when normal interest rates are closer to 3 percent, the Fed can cut rates only a few times,
because rates can only go so low - perhaps as low as zero, maybe a tad lower. This means that
in even a typical downturn, the Fed may be unable to cut rates as much as it would like."
But then it turns to unconventional policy. Seriously. WTF.
"This dynamic can feed on itself. The less ammunition the Fed has to blast the economy out
of its malaise, the weaker and slower will be the recovery, making it more likely that the next
bad shock will require the Fed to cut rates more than is feasible."
It doesn't have less ammunition. Now Wolfers finally admits there's something called unconventional
policy.
"The Fed has already been experimenting with monetary policy, but it hasn't been enough. In
the wake of the financial crisis, for example, it bought bonds in a program known as quantitative
easing, cutting long-term interest rates once short-term rates were near zero. The resulting stimulus
was relatively small, reducing long-term rates by only a fraction of a percentage point, and the
program was politically unpopular.
The authors suggest an alternative approach in which the Fed makes up for "missing stimulus"
by promising to keep rates lower, for longer periods. In their view, the Fed needs to make up
for the interest rate cuts that it wishes it could have made, but couldn't. Promising this in
the depths of a downturn would offer businesses reason to be optimistic, they say, boosting the
recovery. The Fed would need to keep rates low, even as inflation overshot its target.
It's a promising approach, but would people really believe the Fed's promises? I know a lot
of central bankers, and I fear they are incapable of sitting still while inflation rises above
their stated target."
Wolfers admits that central bankers haven't pushed very hard on unconventional policy, shattering
his thesis. They're paranoid over inflation.
"Perhaps the answer lies outside the Fed. It may be time to revive a more active role for fiscal
policy - government spending and taxation - so that the government fills in for the missing stimulus
when the Fed can't cut rates any longer. Given political realities, this may be best achieved
by building in stronger automatic stabilizers, mechanisms to increase spending in bad times, without
requiring Congressional action."
That's a good idea no matter whether unconventional monetary policy works or not. But Republicans
are blocking it, so monetary policy is all we have. It doesn't help to say it doesn't work and
we must suffer long painful recoveries.
"The general distrust of fiscal policy may well have made sense; many economists are more likely
to trust the technocrats at the Fed to manage the business cycle than the election-driven politicians
on Capitol Hill. But in a world of low interest rates in which the Fed is frequently hamstrung,
we may not have that choice."
No the sidelining of fiscal policy never made any sense. But that doesn't mean we should sideline
monetary policy when fiscal policy isn't forthcoming.
"... "Russia is reducing its oil production in stages, in accordance with the plans we worked out voluntarily with our production companies," ..."
"... "We anticipate complying with the figure outlined in the agreement by the end of April," ..."
"... "Undoubtedly, and this could be an even more important factor, is the situation on the market linked with the balance between supply and demand and the situation with regards to the development of the situation with oil reserves and oil product reserves in the OECD countries and the countries in the world as a whole," ..."
"... "And we will be following this closely; it will be important for us to know what's going to happen in April, the forecasts for May and June and the second half of next year," ..."
"... "Currently, we are producing about 17 percent of our total oil production in the Arctic. In 20 years, in accordance with our strategic plans, this share will increase to as much as 26 percent. But the figures for gas will be even more interesting to you. We currently produce 80 percent of our gas in the Arctic," ..."
"... "As far as energy independence is concerned I don't think this is anything new for the United States. It's unlikely that at any time it was ever US policy to increase its dependence on imported energy resources," ..."
"... "It's clear that we are all assessing the situation in a sober fashion, we understand that there will be a rise in the production of shale oil. Again I want to say that we need to look at the situation as a whole throughout the world," ..."
Moscow is fully complying with the deal to cap oil production, while accurately
evaluating longer-term structural developments in the market, according
to Russian Energy Minister Aleksandr Novak.
In March, the country's producers reduced output by 200,000 barrels per
day as the decrease in January and February was ahead of the original
plans, according to the minister.
'Largest
discovery' of oil off Scottish coast could raise chances of independence
"Russia is reducing its oil production in stages, in accordance
with the plans we worked out voluntarily with our production companies,"
Novak said in an interview with CNBC at the International Artic Forum
in Arkhangelsk on Thursday.
"We anticipate complying with the figure outlined in the agreement
by the end of April,"
he said, stressing that the reduction target
was 300,000 barrels per day.
According to Novak, overall supply and demand trends will be a major
reason for Russia to support renewing the agreement at the end of May.
"Undoubtedly, and this could be an even more important factor,
is the situation on the market linked with the balance between supply
and demand and the situation with regards to the development of the situation
with oil reserves and oil product reserves in the OECD countries and the
countries in the world as a whole,"
said the energy minister.
"And we will be following this closely; it will be important for
us to know what's going to happen in April, the forecasts for May and
June and the second half of next year,"
he stressed.
The minister has also pointed to the importance of the Arctic region
for Russia's energy strategy.
"Currently, we are producing about 17 percent of our total oil production
in the Arctic. In 20 years, in accordance with our strategic plans, this
share will increase to as much as 26 percent. But the figures for gas
will be even more interesting to you. We currently produce 80 percent
of our gas in the Arctic,"
he said, adding that new production was
ongoing on the Arctic shelf.
The minister's comments followed the recent
changes in US policy to increase the country's energy independence. There
has been a resurgence in the activity of US shale producers that could
lead to increased supply to the global market given a rebound in the oil
price.
"As far as energy independence is concerned I don't think this is
anything new for the United States. It's unlikely that at any time it
was ever US policy to increase its dependence on imported energy resources,"
he said.
At the same time, the boost in shale oil production may reach
up to 400,000 barrels a day this year, according to Novak.
"It's clear that we are all assessing the situation in a sober
fashion, we understand that there will be a rise in the production of
shale oil. Again I want to say that we need to look at the situation as
a whole throughout the world,"
the energy minister concluded.
"... Meanwhile, demand will continue to grow, eventually overtaking supply. The IEA projects global demand to reach 104 million barrels per day (mbd) by 2020, with the " call on OPEC ..."
"... The IEA warns that unless a wave of new upstream projects are given the greenlight by exploration companies, OPEC's spare capacity will fall to low levels and oil prices will rise sharply. ..."
"... One of the more eye-opening predictions from the IEA is that oil demand will continue to rise without interruption. The agency noted that global oil demand grew by a whopping 2 mb/d in 2015 because of low prices, then by another strong 1.6 mb/d in 2016. Moving forward, demand rises steadily, year after year, by an average of 1.2 mb/d through 2022. India takes over as the largest source of demand growth, a mantle long-held by China. ..."
"... For all these reasons, the much-discussed peak for oil demand remains some years into the future, ..."
"... "[W]e are emphasising an important message: more investment is needed in oil production capacity to avoid the risk of a sharp increase in oil prices ..."
"... This article was originally published on Oilprice.com ..."
Three years of drastic cuts to upstream spending because of the
meltdown in oil prices could result in a shortage of oil supply in a
few years, according to a new report from the International Energy
Agency.
When oil prices collapsed in 2014, oil producers quickly took an ax to their spending.
Global oil and gas investment dropped by a quarter in 2015 and by an
additional 26 percent last year, the IEA estimates. A long list of
projects, particularly very large ones, were put on ice.
Because many of these projects take years to develop, the sharp
slowdown between 2014 and 2016 could result in very few sources of new
supply hitting the market towards the end of the decade.
To be sure, supply is already coming back. The US has added more
than 500,000 bpd since last summer, and shale drillers are ramping up
activity. The IEA says that the shale industry achieved cost
reductions of about 30 percent in 2015 and 22 percent in 2016, making
the average shale well more profitable today than it was before the
downturn. That is already leading to a rebound.
But even the nascent recovery in drilling this year will be a far
cry from the investment prior to the 2014 oil bust.
Moreover, the IEA thinks that even the revival of U.S. shale at
lower prices won't be enough to head off a supply shortage by 2020.
The pipeline of new projects is too small.
Meanwhile, demand will continue to grow, eventually overtaking
supply. The IEA projects global demand to reach 104 million barrels
per day (mbd) by 2020, with the "
call on OPEC
" reaching 35.8
mbd, up from 32.2 mbd last year.
The market may ask for much higher supply from OPEC, but that would
force the group to burn through its spare capacity, which could shrink
to well below 2 mb/d. Spare capacity – the ability to ramp up or down
supply on short notice – has been one of the key cushions to the oil
market for decades. Knowing that Saudi Arabia could plug any supply
gap in a pinch helped reduce oil market volatility, and also reduced
the risk premium that would hit the market when unforeseen
geopolitical flashpoints inevitably cropped up.
The IEA warns that unless a wave of new upstream projects are
given the greenlight by exploration companies, OPEC's spare capacity
will fall to low levels and oil prices will rise sharply.
One of the more eye-opening predictions from the IEA is that
oil demand will continue to rise without interruption. The agency
noted that global oil demand grew by a whopping 2 mb/d in 2015 because
of low prices, then by another strong 1.6 mb/d in 2016. Moving
forward, demand rises steadily, year after year, by an average of 1.2
mb/d through 2022. India takes over as the largest source of demand
growth, a mantle long-held by China.
The IEA, unlike a growing chorus of analysts, thinks that electric
vehicles might only have a marginal impact on demand, slowing
consumption growth but ultimately not reversing it. On top of that,
oil demand will grow in various sectors not related to passenger
vehicles, including freight, marine transit, and aviation. "
For
all these reasons, the much-discussed peak for oil demand remains some
years into the future,
" the IEA wrote.
So we have rising demand and a shortage of new supply. But, surely
U.S. shale, with its falling breakeven prices and resurgence at $50
per barrel can meet the supply gap? The IEA does think that shale will
see significant growth, rising by 1.4 mb/d through 2022, assuming oil
prices at $60 per barrel. If prices rise to, say, $80 per barrel, then
U.S. shale could see growth of 3 mb/d. But the IEA's working
assumption is that all non-OPEC countries together contribute an extra
3.3 mb/d of supply over the next five years.
The problem with that figure is that demand is expected to rise by
7.2 mb/d over that same timeframe. The end result will be a strain on
OPEC supplies. In light of these numbers, the IEA issued a warning.
"[W]e are emphasising an important message: more investment is
needed in oil production capacity to avoid the risk of a sharp
increase in oil prices
" by the early 2020s.
"... "The immediate reason for the move was an unplanned production outage in the North Sea," ..."
"... "We have seen a significant reduction in global oil supply since January, with oil on water going from 978 million barrels on Jan. 1 to 812 million barrels on April 3," ..."
"... "These changes are a signal that the rebalancing is happening faster than many in the market believe," ..."
Brent crude, the international benchmark for oil in the region,
rose 54 cents to $54.71 per barrel. US West Texas Intermediate (WTI)
crude futures were up 52 cents, at $51.55 per barrel. For both
benchmarks, this is the best performance since March, 8.
"The immediate reason for the move was an unplanned production
outage in the North Sea,"
said Sukrit Vijayakar, director of
energy consultancy Trifecta, as quoted by Reuters. He was referring to
an unpredicted production outage at the Buzzard oil field.
Crude prices were also propped up by expectations the Organization
of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) would continue looking at
cutting production.
Moreover, there has been information that shipped oil supplies have
dropped by 17 percent this year, according to oil analysis firm
Vortexa.
"We have seen a significant reduction in global oil supply
since January, with oil on water going from 978 million barrels on
Jan. 1 to 812 million barrels on April 3,"
said Vortexa chief
executive Fabio Kuhn.
"These changes are a signal that the rebalancing is happening
faster than many in the market believe,"
Kuhn added.
According to Reuters, OPEC shipments fell to 813.7 million barrels
at the end of March from 796.6 million barrels at the beginning of the
year.
While US oil stockpiles dropped by 1.8 million barrels last week to
533.7 million, this is still close to a record.
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked
to find that gambling is going on in here!
– From the classic scene in
Casablanca,
made in 1942
The latest scandal du jour seems to be about what is now called
LIBORgate. But is it a scandal or is it really just business as
usual?
And if we don't know which it is, what does that say about how
we organize the financial world, in which $300-800 trillion, give
or take, is based on LIBOR?
This is actually just the second verse of the old song about
derivatives, which is a much larger market. Which of course is a
problem that was not solved by Dodd-Frank and that has the
potential to once again create true havoc with the markets, whereas
LIBOR can only cost a few billion here and there. (Sarcasm
intended.)
The problem is the lack of transparency. Why would banks want to
reveal how much profit they are making? The last thing they want is
transparency. This week I offer a different take on LIBOR, one
which may annoy a few readers, but which I hope provokes some
thinking about how we should organize our financial world.
There Is Gambling in the House? I Am Shocked...
Let's quickly look at what LIBOR is. The initials stand for
London InterBank Offered Rate. It is the rate that is based on what
16 banks based in London (some are US banks) tell Thomson
Reuters
they expect to pay for overnight loans (and other
longer loans). Thomson Reuters throws out the highest four numbers
and the lowest four numbers and then gives us an average of the
rest. Then that averaged number becomes about 150 other "rates,"
from overnight to one year and in different currencies. The key is
that the number is not what the banks actually paid for loans, it's
what they
expect
to pay. Also, please note that the
British Banking Association, on its official website, calls this a
price "fixing."
Most of the time the number is probably pretty close to real, or
close enough for government work. But then, there are other times
when it is at best a guess and at worst manipulated.
Back in the banking and credit crisis panic of 2008 the
interbank market dried up. No bank was loaning other banks any
money at any price. Thus there was clearly no way for the LIBOR
number to be anything
but
fictitious. Anyone who was not
aware of this was simply not paying attention.
The regulators certainly knew on both sides of the Atlantic. All
along there were clear records, we now learn, that bankers were
telling the FSA (the Financial Services Authority) that they had
problems. Regulators were worried about what was happening but were
pointing out that there was a large hole in the ship that was
already admitting water, and they didn't want to make it any
bigger. Timothy Geithner, then President of the New York Federal
Reserve Bank (and now Secretary of the Treasury) wrote a rather
pointed letter to the FSA, suggesting the need for better
practices.
Some banks reported lower rates, to make it appear they were
better off than they were (since no one was actually lending to
them), and others might have given higher rates, for other reasons.
Remember, this was a British Banking Association number. Whether
you personally won or lost money on the probably wrong price
information depends on whether you were lending or borrowing and
whether you really wanted the entire market to appear worse than it
already was.
This was the equivalent of an open-book test where you got to
grade your own paper. And we are supposed to be shocked that there
might have been a few bad "expectations" here and there by bankers
acting in their own self-interest, with the knowledge of the
regulators? The more amazing proposition would be that in a time of
crisis the number had any close bearing on reality to begin with.
Call me skeptical, but I fail to see how we should be surprised.
The larger question that really needs to be asked is how in the
name of all that is holy did we get to a place where we base
hundreds of trillions of dollars of transactions worldwide on a
number whose provenance is not clearly transparent. Yes, I get that
the methodology of the creation of the number
after
the
banks call in their "expectations" is clear, but the process of
getting to that number was evidently not well understood and looks
to be even muddier than my rather cynical previous understanding of
it.
It now seems that there will be a feeding frenzy as politicians
and regulators hammer the various banks for improper practices. And
they are pretty easy targets: there is just no way you can explain
this that does not sound bad.
You're a big banker. The world is falling down before your eyes.
No one trusts anyone. If you put out a bad number (whatever "bad"
means in a time of sheer utter blind panic) the markets will kill
you even more than they already are and you could lose your job.
You have got to come up with a number in ten minutes.
"Hey, Nigel, what do you think we
should tell Tommie [Thomson Reuters]?"
"I don't know, Winthorpe, maybe
Mortimer has an idea; let's ask him."
Simply fining a few bankers is not going to fix the larger
problem: the lack of transparency for arguably the most important
number in financial markets. A very clear methodology needs to be
developed, along with guidelines for what to do in times of crisis
when the interbank market is frozen and there really is no number.
Having no number might be worse than having a number that is a
guess. But having a number that can be fudged by banks for their
benefit is also clearly not in the public's interest.
The point of the rule of law is that it is supposed to level the
playing field. But the rule of law means having a very transparent
process with very clear rules and guidelines and penalties for
breaking the rules.
I had dinner with Dr. Woody Brock this evening in Rockport. We
were discussing this issue and he mentioned that he had done a
study based on analysis by an institution that looks at all sorts
of "fuzzy" data, like how easy it is to start a business in a
country, corporate taxes and business structures, levels of free
trade and free markets, and the legal system. It turned out that
the trait that was most positively correlated with GDP growth was
strength of the rule of law. It is also one of the major factors
that
Niall Ferguson
cites in his book
Civilization
as a
reason for the ascendency of the West in the last 500 years, and a
factor that helps explain why China is rising again as it emerges
from chaos.
One of the very real problems we face is the growing feeling
that the system is rigged against regular people in favor of "the
bankers" or the 1%. And if we are honest with ourselves, we have to
admit there is reason for that feeling. Things like LIBOR are
structured with a very real potential for manipulation. When the
facts come out, there is just one more reason not to trust the
system. And if there is no trust, there is no system.
Opacity and Credit Default Swaps
Which brings me to my next point. We just went through a crisis
where derivatives were a major part of the problem, and
specifically the counterparty risk of over-the counter (OTC)
derivatives.
Taxpayers
had to back-stop derivatives sold by banks (and
specifically
AIG
) that were clearly undercapitalized. That cost tens of
billions. Yet the commissions and bonuses paid for selling those
bad derivatives went on being paid. Congress held hearings and
expressed outrage, but in the end Dodd-Frank sold out.
"Efforts to create an exchange-traded futures contract tied to
credit-default swaps haven't yet gained traction after 18 months of
talks, but banks dealing in the private multitrillion-dollar market
for credit derivatives believe such contracts will eventually
appear for a simple reason: They should attract new players.
"Credit-default swaps function like insurance for bonds and
loans. Investors use them to hedge or speculate against changes in
a borrower's creditworthiness. If a borrower defaults, sellers of
the protection compensate buyers.
"The swaps – traded over the phone or on-screen, with prices
known only to trading partners – are the domain of asset managers
and hedge funds with the sophistication and financial wherewithal
to take on complex risks.
"Futures, by contrast, are more routine instruments used by
institutions and individual or "retail" investors. Futures prices
are displayed publicly on exchanges, and customers can trade them
directly with other customers – unlike in the swaps market, where a
dealer is on one side of every trade.
"Dealers have long been fiercely protective of keeping the
status quo in credit-default swaps or 'CDS' because they have
booked fat profits from customers not being able to see where other
customers are trading." (Market Watch)
And that is the issue. Bankers do not want transparency, because
it will seriously cut into their profits. And while I like everyone
to make a profit, the implicit partner in every trade is the
taxpayer and, last time I looked, we do not get a piece of that
trade. Derivatives traded on an exchange were not part of the
problem during the last credit crisis; OTC derivatives were.
An exchange makes it very clear where the counterparty risk is
and what the price mechanism is. It creates a transparent rule of
law and places the risk on the backs of those buying and selling
derivatives and not on the taxpayer. Exchange-traded derivatives do
not pose a potential threat to the economies of the world, while we
don't know the extent of the threat posed by OTC trades. JPMorgan
has lost around $6 billion on the trading of their "London Whale."
If
Jamie Dimon
and the JPM board couldn't guarantee reasonable
corporate governance, then why should we assume that in another
crisis we won't find another AIG?
Dodd-Frank needs to be repealed and replaced. The last time, the
process was too clearly in the hands of those being regulated and
has contributed to their profits. Enough already.
Credit default swaps and any other derivative large enough to
put the system at risk must be moved to an exchange, to make clear
the counterparty risks.
This FT -- the most deep neoliberal swamp among mainstream newspaper. So they do not like any
critique of thier beloved neloneral world order with the dominance of reckless financial oligarchy
as one of the key components.
Notable quotes:
"... She argues that under our deregulated financial system "commercial bankers can create credit . . . effectively without limit, and with few regulatory constraints." She says that because the government and central banks impose no restrictions on what credit is used for, banks increasingly lend for speculative activities, rather than "sound, productive investment". ..."
"... The collateral for this borrowing is in the form of "promises to pay", which can "evaporate" and be defaulted upon - which risks dragging down the rest of the system. ..."
"... many of the remedies Pettifor recommends are, as she acknowledges, fairly mainstream: monitoring the evolution of credit relative to national income, limiting loan-to-value mortgage ratios more strictly, imposing stronger regulation on banks and issuing government debt at low interest rates across the maturity spectrum. ..."
"... Less mainstream are her calls for controls on international capital flows through a Tobin tax on financial transactions, and for central banks to "manage exchange rates over a specified range by buying and selling currency". ..."
"... its confrontational style - criticising financial market players, most economists, politicians and ideas from other left-leaning economists ..."
'The Production of Money', by Ann Pettifor - a financial education
16 HOURS AGO by: Review by Gemma Tetlow
Ann Pettifor's The Production of Money, is a work in three parts. It provides an explanation
of how money and credit are created in modern economies and of some of the problems that helped
foment the financial crisis. The author, an economist, then sets out her views on how these problems
should be fixed, including introducing controls on international capital flows. Finally, and less
obviously from the title, the book strays into a critique of fiscal austerity.
"Citizens," Pettifor argues, "were unprepared for the [financial] crisis, and remain on the
whole ignorant of the workings of the financial system." This is one reason why policymakers have
failed to address its failings. One of her objectives is to "simplify key concepts in relation
to money, finance and economics, and to make them accessible to a much wider audience".
Chapter two provides a clear, intuitive explanation of how money is created and how this can
facilitate economic growth. Money creation is a complex and intangible concept in a world where
it is no longer backed by gold bars held by the central bank, and Pettifor provides the most accessible
and thorough explanation I have seen.
In the rest of the book, the author sets out her diagnosis of the problems afflicting the world's
monetary system and her prescription for how they should be fixed. She argues that under our deregulated
financial system "commercial bankers can create credit . . . effectively without limit, and with
few regulatory constraints." She says that because the government and central banks impose no
restrictions on what credit is used for, banks increasingly lend for speculative activities, rather
than "sound, productive investment".
The collateral for this borrowing is in the form of "promises to pay", which can "evaporate"
and be defaulted upon - which risks dragging down the rest of the system.
The description is informative as far as it goes. However, it does not provide the sort of
compelling, insightful account of the problems before the crisis that is provided by, for example,
Michael Lewis in The Big Short.
She strikes a revolutionary tone when setting out the problem. But many of the remedies Pettifor
recommends are, as she acknowledges, fairly mainstream: monitoring the evolution of credit relative
to national income, limiting loan-to-value mortgage ratios more strictly, imposing stronger regulation
on banks and issuing government debt at low interest rates across the maturity spectrum.
Less mainstream are her calls for controls on international capital flows through a Tobin tax
on financial transactions, and for central banks to "manage exchange rates over a specified range
by buying and selling currency".
Her support for these measures is consistent with her belief - expressed throughout the book
- that everything was well until the global financial system began to liberalise following the
breakdown of the Bretton Woods system in 1971.
The evidence she provides to support her belief that policies in place during the Bretton Woods
era were superior to those operating now appears rather selective. She cites data presented in
Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff's book, This Time is Different, as evidence that "financial
crises proliferated" after the 1970s. However, Reinhart and Rogoff's thesis was that we have been
here before in centuries past - and will be again.
The Production of Money presents one view of issues afflicting the world's financial systems
and how they should be dealt with, and will be useful to readers unfamiliar with these issues.
But in other places it provides a partial or rather confusing descriptions of aspects of the monetary
system. Saying the global economy "is once again at risk of slipping into recession" and faces
"deflation" are statements that have aged badly.
This book will help the public "develop a much greater understanding" of how banking and financial
systems work. However, its confrontational style - criticising financial market players, most
economists, politicians and ideas from other left-leaning economists - may put some readers off
before they get to the meat of the argument. The characterisations of these groups' views are
selective and her criticisms are at times not well supported by the evidence she presents.
For a while there it looked like the US and its main trading partners
had
finally achieved escape velocity.
Growth was up, inflation was poking through
the Fed's 2% target, and most measures of
consumer sentiment
were bordering on euphoric.
Then it all started to
evaporate.
Lackluster manufacturing and consumer spending reports sent the
Atlanta Fed's reading of Q1 GDP
off a cliff to less than 1%:
And this morning the Wall Street Journal highlighted some recent changes in the yield
curve that point towards further slowing:
Long-term Treasury yields have declined modestly, while short-term yields have
risen.
A flattening of the Treasury yield curve in 2017 is a worrying sign for investors
banking on resurgent U.S. inflation and growth.
Long-term Treasury yields, which are largely driven by the U.S. economic and
inflation outlook, have declined modestly this year, following a sharp rise in the
wake of the November election of Donald Trump as president. The 10-year U.S. Treasury
yield has fallen to 2.396% from 2.446% at the end of 2016.
At the same time, short-term yields, which are more influenced by monetary policy,
have risen in 2017 as Federal Reserve officials have made clear that they expect to
continue raising the fed-funds rate through the rest of the year.
As a result, the yield premium on the 10-year note relative to the two-year
note-known in the market as the 2-10 spread-slipped Wednesday to 1.107 percentage
points, its lowest level since the election.
FIRST QUARTER REPORT CARD
While the yield curve, like all market indicators, is subject to the ebb and flow
of investor sentiment, economic data and political developments, a flattening yield
curve gets special attention from investors world-wide because it can serve as an
early signal of both economic slowing and overpricing in riskier asset classes.
Those concerned that U.S. share prices were getting ahead of themselves took note
in the first quarter when they "started to see the flattening of the yield curve,"
said David Albrycht, president and CIO of Newfleet Asset Management, the fixed-income
affiliate of Virtus Investment Partners . The Dow industrials have fallen 2% since
hitting a record of 21115 on March 1.
Though economic data in the first quarter were mixed, many investors believe the
flattening of the curve is the result of the unwinding of "Trump trade" bets that
inflation and growth would pick up imminently with the adoption of tax cuts and
fiscal stimulus President Donald Trump has promised. Hopes of a so-called
reflationary agenda have been set back by the defeat in Congress of a White House
sponsored health-care bill. That raised questions about whether Mr. Trump can get
other legislation through Congress.
Expectations for higher long-term yields and a steeper curve rested on two
pillars: first, that the economy on its own was showing signs of improvement, and
second, that it would get an extra lift from promised tax cuts, infrastructure
spending and regulatory relief.
At the outset of the second quarter, both of those pillars are still standing, yet
neither is looking as sturdy as before.
The Journal goes on to note that the spreads between Treasuries and junk bonds are
widening, which indicates growing fears of a slowdown-induced credit crunch. And that
junk bond issuance is soaring, which implies a desire on the part of
sub-investment-grade borrowers to raise cash while they can.
What's happening? There are several possibilities
:
1) There never really was a recovery.
The post-election pop was, as
the Journal asserts, just the human nervous system responding to a "new and improved" US
government the way grocery store shoppers instinctively reach for boxes that promise a
better version of an old stand-by. Now that the novelty has worn off, the markets are
experiencing a "same corn flakes, different box" let-down. In which case 1% – 2% growth
might be the ceiling, and debt/GDP will continue to soar world-wide. Make no mistake,
this is an epic worst-case scenario.
2) Oil spiked in 2016, which led many to conclude that the global economy was
growing because it was demanding more energy.
But then crude gave back most of
its gains, extinguishing the previous optimism and causing economic indicators like
consumer spending to stall (because we're all paying a bit less for gas lately). So
risk-off: sell stocks and junk bonds, buy Treasuries. It's no more complicated than
that.
3) No one has the slightest idea what's happening as insane levels of debt
distort the models economists use to predict the future.
From here on out, it's
unpleasant surprises all the way down.
Time will tell, but door number 3 is an increasingly safe bet.
"Please, understand that if the amount of money in a closed system
doubles, the value of each monetary unit halves, and the price of
everything, including stocks, increases 100%."
If it were that simple,
it would be that obvious. Like a microwave oven on HI, newly-created
money heats the economy unevenly, bidding up the prices of some assets
like stocks and real estate (behold! an economic recovery!) while
ignoring other things like oil and food (behold! no inflation!)
In Weimar Germany, speculators borrowed trillions of marks, bought
anything they could move, and sold it in other countries for hard
currency. There are no "other countries" this time because the
money-printing madness is global. This has never happened before so we
don't know how it will end.
On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden,
brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States
Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY,
FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON.
The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the
Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON.
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most
corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve
Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has
cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United
States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and
iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several
times over.
"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the
people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically
bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law
under which it operates, through the maladministration of that law by the Fed
and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.
"Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks
United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey
upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their
foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and
predatory money lender. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those
who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those
who send money into states to buy votes to control our legislatures; there are
those who maintain International propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us
into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past
misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime.
"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully
and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from
Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions.
Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against
Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to
help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and
Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed
Trotsky's passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the
destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian
Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky's disposal
in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might
be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their
natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the
dispersal of American children. "Mr. Chairman, there should be no partisanship
in matters concerning banking and currency affairs in this Country, and I do
not speak with any.
"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the
chairmanship of the late Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, made a report and presented
a vicious bill called the National Reserve Association bill. This bill is
usually spoken of as the Aldrich bill. Senator Aldrich did not write the
Aldrich bill. He was the tool, if not the accomplice, of the European bankers
who for nearly twenty years had been scheming to set up a central bank in this
Country and who in 1912 has spent and were continuing to spend vast sums of
money to accomplish their purpose.
"We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank.
The men who rule the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they
were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while
they held the
reigns
of government. Thirteen months
later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the
tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House,
established here in our free Country the worm-eaten monarchical institution of
the "King's Bank" to control us from the top downward, and from the cradle to
the grave.
"The Federal Reserve Bank destroyed our old and
characteristic way of doing business. It discriminated against our 1-name
commercial paper, the finest in the world, and it set up the antiquated 2-name
paper, which is the present curse of this Country and which wrecked every
country which has ever given it scope; it fastened down upon the Country the
very tyranny from which the framers of the Constitution sough to save us.
PRESIDENT JACKSON'S TIME
"One of the greatest battles for the preservation of this
Republic was fought out here in Jackson's time; when the second Bank of the
United States, founded on the same false principles of those which are here
exemplified in the Fed was hurled out of existence. After that, in 1837, the
Country was warned against the dangers that might ensue if the predatory
interests after being cast out should come back in disguise and unite
themselves to the Executive and through him acquire control of the Government.
That is what the predatory interests did when they came back in the livery of
hypocrisy and under false
pretenses
obtained the
passage of the Fed.
"The danger that the Country was warned against came upon
us and is shown in the long train of horrors attendant upon the affairs of the
traitorous and dishonest Fed. Look around you when you leave this Chamber and
you will see evidences of it in all sides. This is an era of misery and for the
conditions that caused that misery, the Fed are fully liable. This is an era
of financed crime and in the financing of crime the Fed does not play the part
of a disinterested spectator.
"It has been said that the draughts man who was employed
to write the text of the Aldrich bill because that had been drawn up by
lawyers, by acceptance bankers of European origin in New York. It was a copy,
in general a translation of the statues of the
Reichsbank
and other European central banks. One-half million dollars was spent on the
part of the propaganda organized by these bankers for the purpose of misleading
public opinion and giving Congress the impression that there was an
overwhelming popular demand for it and the kind of currency that goes with it,
namely, an asset currency based on human debts and obligations.
Dr.
H. Parker Willis had been employed by Wall
Street and propagandists, and when the Aldrich measure failed- he obtained
employment with Carter Glass, to assist in drawing the banking bill for the
Wilson administration. He appropriated the text of the Aldrich bill. There is
no secret about it. The test of the Federal Reserve Act was tainted from the
first.
thank you for sharing... i have a question though.
how does one reconcile
Carter Glass and his duplicitous role in the above and the creation of the
Glass-Steagall Act? i suppose he could correctly assume the banks would not
need to manage both sides of a Wall Street trade when granted sole
independent authority over our nation's money. but par for the course,
subsequent greedy banksters weren't satisfied with keys to the kingdom; they
wanted the peasants to feel the pain of oppression and desolation. the world
is not enough.
" if Obama had not created 5 years of shelter to small oil drill baby fracking on private land
with oil embargoes limiting global supply in conjunction with restrictions on oil production on
Federal leases?"
This would be an interesting myth: the myth about this great oilman Obama ...
Do you know how much junks bonds were issued during this spectacular increase is shale oil
output ?
and it was really spectacular: from 5.7 million barrels/day in 2011 to 9.2 million barrels/day
in 2014 and 9.4 million barrels/day in March 2015.
The United States increased production by 5.1 million barrels per day (Mb/d) from 2010 to 2015.
In comparison, the increase in production from Persian Gulf was less at 5.0 Mb/d. Total world
production increase was 8.4 Mb/d. Which means the rest of the world oil producers declined by
some ~ 1.7 Mb/d. This was despite Canadian production rising 1.0 Mb/d plus increases from Russia,
and Brazil. Most oil producing countries are now in a long term decline or plateau at best. US
is in decline, but that might reverse with prices hitting $70.
But it was not just oil production. It was oil plus junk bonds production and it is unclear
in what area they were the most efficient :-).
If you add cost of bankruptcies in 2015-2017 to the cost of US shale oil it becomes so high,
that it would be more cost efficient to buy it elsewhere and do not risk ecological consequences.
"Half of the current [US] producers have no legitimate right to be in a business where the
price forecast even in a recovery is going to be between, say, $50, $60. They need [above] $70
oil to survive,"
And even now then prices somewhat recovered to $50 per barrel level the only possibility to
survive for US shale oil producers are "evergreen" loans.
That might change if the price hits $70 or higher. But I would keep my fingers crossed on that:
something is happening in the world if oil managed to get this low and stay at this level in 2015-2017.
But Obama has one thing under the belt: his administration managed to crash oil prices and
this way "saved" Obama recovery, while partially wiping out the US shale.
How much of the trade deficit is caused by imported oil?
How much worse would the trade deficit be if Obama had not
created 5 years of shelter to small oil drill baby fracking
on private land with oil embargoes limiting global supply in
conjunction with restrictions on oil production on Federal
leases?
Us oil production doubled while Obama was president,
before dropping back, the first president since Carter to see
net oil production increase during his term, and the largest
increase in production during a president's term since never.
"The 2016 petroleum deficit ($56.8 billion) was the lowest
since 1998 ($42.8 billion).
The 2016 non-petroleum deficit ($677.5 billion) was the
highest on record." (Nominal)
"The 2016 real dollar petroleum deficit ($109.2 billion)
was the lowest on record.
The 2016 real dollar non-petroleum deficit ($684.2 billion)
was the highest on record."
(2009 Chain-weighted Dollars)
These are "goods" only. Trump focuses on goods only.
You are right - we have a trade surplus re services. Now
if Trump had said we have a $675 billion deficit in terms of
goods trade only but a $200 billion surplus in terms of trade
in services - that would be accurate. And actually rather
meaningless.
So he did not make it as explicit as you did. In a word,
Trump still lied.
You raise two important points here. Yes - a lot of our trade
deficit represents oil imports. Does Trump want to reduce
this by expanding dangerous low paying coal jobs that give us
environmental damage.
The 2nd point was implicit but
important. Let's say goods manufacturing is capital intensive
while the provision of services is labor intensive. Wouldn't
a shift towards the former away from the latter reduce the
overall demand for labor?
James Hamilton does some fancy statistics on www.eia.gov data
but the bottom line is simple.
Price of gasoline per
gallon = $1 + oil price per barrel/40.
The $1? $0.40 for Federal and state taxes.
$0.25 for the distributor gross margin
$0.35 for the refinery gross margin
All of this varies but let's assume oil sells for $50 a
barrel. The model predicts $2.25 per gallon or which $1.25
goes for oil and $0.35 goes for refining.
It is not simple. The crude don't stop at gasoline. That
boils off at a low temperature. More heat and you boil off
more product. Enough heat it "cracks" into sweet things like
turbine fuels.
At the end is the stuff we use for roads.
It's been too many years since I read APA journals. That
was when I could look in the mirror before coming into weapon
systems development.
Yes, the total volume
of refined products is
higher then the volume
of oil from which they
are produced. Because
some important refined
products are lighter
then oil (gasoline is
one). But the total
mass is approximately
the same.
In 2007, our energy trade deficit was $325 billion. In
2006, this had declined to less than $60 billion. I guess
that is what Obama meant by energy independence. Now whether
fracking is a good idea is a separate matter.
" if Obama had not created 5 years of shelter to small oil
drill baby fracking on private land with oil embargoes
limiting global supply in conjunction with restrictions on
oil production on Federal leases?"
This would be an
interesting myth: the myth about this great oilman Obama ...
Do you know how much junks bonds were issued during this
spectacular increase is shale oil output ?
and it was really spectacular: from 5.7 million
barrels/day in 2011 to 9.2 million barrels/day in 2014 and
9.4 million barrels/day in March 2015.
The United States increased production by 5.1 million
barrels per day (Mb/d) from 2010 to 2015. In comparison, the
increase in production from Persian Gulf was less at 5.0
Mb/d. Total world production increase was 8.4 Mb/d. Which
means the rest of the world oil producers declined by some ~
1.7 Mb/d. This was despite Canadian production rising 1.0
Mb/d plus increases from Russia, and Brazil. Most oil
producing countries are now in a long term decline or plateau
at best. US is in decline, but that might reverse with prices
hitting $70.
But is was not just oil production. It was oil plus junk
bonds production and it is unclear in what area they were the
most efficient :-).
If you add cost of bankruptcies in 2015-2017 to the cost
of US shale oil is so high, that it would be more cost
efficient to buy it elsewhere and do not risk ecological
consequences.
"Half of the current [US] producers have no legitimate
right to be in a business where the price forecast even in a
recovery is going to be between, say, $50, $60. They need
[above] $70 oil to survive,"
And even now then prices somewhat recovered to $50 per
barrel level the only possibility to survive for US shale oil
producers are "evergreen" loans.
That might change id the price hits $70 or higher. But I
would keep my fingers crosses on that: something is happening
in the world if oil managed to get this low and stay at this
level in 2015-2017.
But Obama has one thing under the belt: his administration
managed to crash oil prices and this way "saved" Obama
recovery, while partially wiping out the US shale.
My impression is Obama administration was somewhat
incompetent in energy issues, or preoccupied with other
issues which they considered to be of higher priority. They
also wasted a lot of money on useless wars and training and
supplying jihadists in Syria and Iraq (although lion share
were Saudi money), money that could upgrade national grid
creating East -West high voltage line necessary for expansion
of electricity generation from renewables as well as for
increase of the fleet of electrical cars in southern state
(in North-West, in winter electrical cars are not very
practical; even dangerous as the heater consumes 5 KW/h and
drains battery (total for a "low end" electrical car battery
is around 30 kW/h; 75 kW/h for luxury cars like Tesla).
If they created hysteria about oil prices when they were
above $100 with the same efficiency as they created
anti-Russian hysteria, treating this even as a national
threat, the USA would be in much better shape today to face
the energy challenges of tomorrow.
Now with proliferation of SUVs USA might need drastic
measures to force private car fleet into hybrids and small
(European size, where Corolla is a family car) cars with at
least 40 miles per gallon.
Without those measures tendency of the US economics to
stagnate might increase when gas expectantly moves to over $4
per gallon. Also few people will be able to use small trucks
as a personal transportation vehicle.
High oil prices (let's assume that this means over $100
per barrel ) might also slow down the process of neoliberal
globalization. So Trump might well be just ahead of time in
this area.
A lot of interesting changes in neoliberal economics await
us with oil steadily hovering above $100, but it is unclear
when (but not if) this moment come. It might be as close as
within a decade.
These days, I'm super-skeptical of literally everything coming out of the financial press about oil
production, oil prices, the wisdom of investment in oil companies, etc. All it takes is a rumor about
more drill-rigs moving into the Permian Basin to drive down WTI prices by 5-10%, or so it seems to
the uninitiated.
So if the optimistic scenarios described above come to pass, they're also simultaneously the pessimistic
scenarios, because apparently all the OPEC nations are also capable of flooding the global market
with abundant un-needed oil as well. It seems to the Guy on the Street that the fracking boom is
the sound of the oil and gas industries blowing up their own business model. Over and over and over
again.
Since our mission in writing a blog is an alternative-far Leftist (or "Snowflake Stalinist" I've
been told) analysis of what is wrong with the economic system, and how it has to change so that the
younger generations can survive at least at a Second-World living standard, it's important to get
the narratives right. I live in Wisconsin, which I would place in the very bottom 5 states in terms
of long-term sustainability as the petroleum era coasts slowly to a close, whenever that may be.
Besides being the frac-sand capital of North America, we're also one of the biggest crude oil corridors
(Enbridge, with 5 and soon going to 6, or, 7, or 8, depending on Line 5's fate.
I think if we don't build-out a 100% renewable-energy-powered mass transit system starting within
the next 2 decades, even the Second-World living standard for Wisconsin is way too optimistic. And
of course, we're not going to do that, because there's just "plenty of oil" out there (or fracked
natural gas, for electric vehicles) waiting to be pumped up and burned. Also, there's no money remaining
for that option.
Whether the oil prices bounce around will depend on OPEC and demand. I think we could see
consistently high oil prices until 2040 if OPEC and Russia choose to moderate their output
to match demand in order to keep oil prices high. Also note that by the time US LTO reaches
6.5 Mb/d there may be a serious shortage of oil due to the lack of investment from 2015 to
2018 (oil sands and deepwater). After 2021 US LTO output will fall no matter how high oil prices
are, though potentially we could see some LTO output from other nations (China and Russia?)
which might mitigate the decline a bit (this seems a bit too optimistic even to me), the EIA
claims about 320 Gb of LTO resources outside the US, in my opinion we are unlikely to see an
ERR of more than 35 Gb for non-US LTO output from 2016 to 2070.
It's looking like the shorter cycle times for LTO just means the the
volatility acts over higher frequency but doesn't go away. A fundamental
problem remains that all the E&Ps use basically the same model, and
therefore they all make essentially the same decisions at around the same
time, and therefore you get boom and bust. Volatility may be the biggest
contribution to delaying or preventing long term investment in bigger
(principally deep water and oil sand) projects, but I think the impact of
the big drop off in discoveries is significant, and not being fully
appreciated.
The backlog of discoveries are mostly difficult and expensive
developments that were not considered as top prospects when oil was over
$100.
The few larger, new discoveries are also in frontier, and therefore
generally more expensive, regions. E&Ps are turning to gas, or near field
developments, or are giving up on offshore altogether. Much higher, and
stable, prices might be needed to get these big projects going. If high
prices cause a fast demand collapse, by whatever mix of mechanisms, then
they might well not get done.
Jason Furman
(PIIE)
March 21, 2017 6:00 PM
The US economy will likely grow at a rate of around 2 percent a year over the next
decade. While this estimate seems low relative to the average annual growth rate
of 3.5 percent from 1950 to 2000, it is not reflective of some newly found
pessimism. Instead, it is largely based on two demographic facts: aging baby
boomers entering retirement and the end of the influx of women into the workforce.
In fact, without the cyclical boost in recent years from the falling unemployment
rate, achieving even 2 percent annual growth will require substantially faster
productivity growth than the United States has seen in recent years, along with a
stabilized labor force participation rate on an age-adjusted basis.
A piece I
wrote on
Vox
(link is external)
explores plausible variations around this central expectation, either due to luck
or to policy. A possible range of this uncertainty-that is, how different
assumptions about productivity growth and labor force participation would affect
this growth forecast-is shown in the table below. The
Vox
piece also
documents how policy can make a small difference but cannot radically change the
picture.
The NHS was designed in 1948 by scaling up the Tredegar
Medical Aid Society – a mutual health provision organisation in
South Wales set up by miners and their families that had run for
over fifty years. By scaling up this local community-controlled
structure, the founders of the NHS fundamentally transformed the
economy and politics of healthcare nationwide. Today, we need a
comparable transformation of energy provision. Could Eigg in
Scotland – an island owned collectively by its inhabitants and entirely
supplied by renewable electricity – be the Tredegar Medical Aid
Society of energy?
This article seeks to explore energy alternatives that break with the
foundational assumptions of the neoliberal order. Our argument is that,
rather than begging for small palliative scraps, the left must make the
argument for a new energy and economic settlement. This is necessary
for survival, and for justice. We need a fundamental change of direction
on energy.
Energy corporations, finance and the state
In Nigeria 72 per cent of people are forced to use wood for cooking,
while their country exports 950 billion cubic feet of gas every year.
Much of it is shipped to Britain. Yet when Platform invited Niger Delta
activist Celestine AkpoBari to London, he was astounded to hear that
Britain suffers the worst levels of fuel poverty in Western Europe, with
one person dying of cold every six seconds last winter. So who benefits
from this disparity? The answer lies in record energy company profits.
Together, the big five oil companies – BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips,
ExxonMobil and Shell earn more in one minute than 90 per cent of UK
couples earn together in a year.
A century-long strategic alliance between fossil fuel corporations
and Western governments has fostered an energy system that has been
structured by imperial, extractivist and then neoliberal power. Global
neoliberal extractivism – based on the exploitation of non-renewable
natural resources – is now trying to solve the dwindling of easily
accessible oil reserves by violently pushing for new reserves to be
exploited. Cue Arctic drilling, fracking and efforts to extract from
beneath the pre-salt ultra-deep waters off Brazil. Once discovered and
measured, geological deposits are represented as 'proven reserves' and
they then become financial assets that are tradable and valued on the
FTSE.
This process thrives on accumulation by dispossession: the
expulsion of people from their land, the occupation of villages by
soldiers, and the poisoning of groundwater. Military, diplomatic and
financial support from states to corporations is key to its facilitation.
The aim of Western states is to maintain imperial power by keeping
their corporations in control of fuel flows. London is now a centre of
both financial and energy imperialism.
Neoliberal common sense persuades us that there is little we can do
about this. We are addressed as individual passive consumers of energy,
purely as 'customers' – and this serves to obscure our other identities, as
Doreen Massey argued in the manifesto instalment on Vocabularies of
the Economy. We are encouraged to believe that BP and Shell, British
Gas and EDF are the organisations best placed to 'efficiently' extract,
process and generate energy, and that the market will deliver the best
prices to us as the big companies compete among themselves for our
custom. Our choices as customers supposedly influence this market.
But in practice, the dominance of a small number of multinational
corporations annihilates the possibility of any choice that could
generate significant change. As Beatrix Campbell writes, global
capitalism 'deploys the language of freedom, choice and competition to
oust solidarity, co-operative creativity and equality'.1
As a result of these companies' dominance, itself the culmination of
successive privatisations by Conservative and Labour governments,
Britain's fuel poverty rates are now among the highest in Europe. One in
five households was in fuel poverty in 2010; 10,000 people died in
winter 2013-4 from cold homes. Yet the Big Six energy companies take
£1 billion per year in premiums that are charged predominantly to
disadvantaged users.
As even a study commissioned by the Oil and Gas UK lobby group
admitted: 'the market has not delivered the most efficient outcome for
UK gas consumers'.3 Meanwhile, under the liberalised regime in which
the industry operates, the upward volatility of gas prices – which is
partly due to breakdown in the ageing UK gas supply infrastructure – is
allowed to feed through into immediate price spikes.
The ability to pick between different energy suppliers is a false
freedom. Those who use the energy are excluded from influencing
decisions on how any surplus should be invested – into fossil fuels or
renewables, imported fuel or local sources – or on how to structure
prices.
Nor does government make these decisions on people's behalf.
Under the market fundamentalist regimes of both the Conservatives
and New Labour, the UK government gave up this power to
corporations. Even though energy regulator Ofgem has been slightly
re-empowered in recent years, it still has no role in such decisions, or
any capacity for investment into energy infrastructure.
In an earlier period decision-making power over North Sea oil
was also largely handed over to private oil and gas corporations.
Moreover, since the 1980s, taxes on their profits have been
consistently cut, leaving Britain with by far the lowest effective tax
ratio of the four North Sea oil and gas extracting countries; its tax
regime is the second most generous to private oil companies in the
entire world, after Ireland.
The outcome has been a dramatically reduced government take, and
a fiscal regime that has been described as 'a vehicle for the delivery of
corporate welfare on a grand scale'.4 In the six years prior to 2008 the
UK lost out on £74 billion. As companies used the cash flow from the
North Sea to subsidise drilling in other parts of the world and oil prices
rose further, the government succumbed to demands for ever more
subsidies. Enormous revenues were accumulated by oil companies and
recycled through the City of London.
Fossil fuel corporations have woven around themselves a Carbon
Web – the set of legal, cultural, financial and government institutions
that enable them and prevent democratic control. Decisions made
behind closed doors in corporate headquarters, Whitehall and at
£1,500-a-ticket conferences lock us all into decades of fossil fuel use.
Individuals and wealth flow through the revolving doors between the
state, oil and finance. Britain has become a petrostate, and London an
oil city, extracting wealth from fossil fuels from Nigeria to the North Sea,
from Azerbaijan to Egypt.
Financial holdings in the City are concentrated into fossil fuels, with
20 per cent of the FTSE 100 made up of just BP and Shell. As London's
role as a central node in a global fossil fuel economy has grown, so
Britain's body politic has become increasingly skewed, at the expense
both of the de-industrialised regions of the UK and frontline
communities in the Global South.
The big energy companies work hard to convince us that they are
essential to the functioning of modern society. In a plastic world, we all
use synthetic fabrics, petrol and gas heating. How could we cope
without BP and Shell to provide for us? How could national cultural
institutions like the Tate or the British Museum function without oil
funding? (Hint: Less than 0.5 per cent of their income comes from BP.)
This is aimed at creating a perception of dependency, that will allow the
continued intense accumulation of wealth by corporations and elite
classes.
Re-imagining our energy future
There is always more in reality than one can experience or express
at any given moment. A greater sensitivity to the latent potential of
situations may encourage us to think about things not only as they
are, but also in terms of what they may become.
Individual consumption does not begin to encompass the manifold
relationships we have to energy. We take buses, we work in heated
offices, we buy frozen icecream. Our public wealth is used to subsidise
oil companies, our cultural institutions to launder their image, and our
government sends troops to support resource grabs. We have political
and economic relationships to North Sea oil, wind turbines in the
Thames estuary and carbon dioxide molecules in the atmosphere.
The whole relationship of society to energy needs to change. We
need to shift power away from the entangled interests of finance and the
big companies, and challenge the current monopolised energy system,
so that these relationships can become intentional and active, so that
energy consumers can become producers, distributors, owners, sharers
and collective users of energy. We need to democratise energy. This
means commoning resources, dispersing economic power and ending
dependence on the multinationals that exploit public resources for
private profit.
How can we increase our sensitivity to the 'latent potential' of our
energy structures? We need to be able to envision and describe a
functional energy system that provides for people's needs and does not
entrench exploitation or rely on constant expansion. To do this we need
to articulate a new common sense that builds on what Gramsci called
'good sense' – working with the grain of existing values and collective
practices. One way of doing this is by learning from positive, albeit
contested, experiences elsewhere, including Bolivia, Denmark,
Venezuela and Norway.
New strategies also need to interact with present struggles, like those
of frontline communities in Lancashire and Yorkshire who are blocking
fracking rigs; or the Greater London Pensioners Association and Fuel
Poverty Action who are using direct action casework to fight for warm
homes and democratically-owned, renewable energy; or the Hackney
housing estate residents, Islington councillors and Balcombe villagers
who are setting up locally owned energy schemes.
How Money Made Us Modern
: About 9,500 years ago in the
Mesopotamian region of Sumer, ancient accountants kept track of
farmers' crops and livestock by stacking small pieces of baked
clay, almost like the tokens used in board games today. One piece
might signify a bushel of grain, while another with a different
shape might represent a farm animal or a jar of olive oil.
Those humble little
ceramic
shapes might not seem have much in common with today's
$100 bill, whose high-tech anti-counterfeiting features include a
special security thread designed to turn pink when illuminated by
ultraviolet light, let alone with credit-card swipes and online
transactions that for many Americans are rapidly taking the place
of cash.
But the roots of those modern modes of payment may lie in the
Sumerians' tokens. ...
The article is poorly researched. The author needs to read
Innes, Graeber, Ingham, Wray and Hudson on the history of
money from the perspective of credit instead of relying on
Davies, who emphasizes commodity money and doesn't
distinguish between bullion and chartal.
I was speaking specifically of the early history in my
comment, but the entire article was rather one-sided. The
debated on the history and nature of money is nuanced and
the author made it seem as through the article presents a
definitive version. The audience to which it is addressed
would not glean that from the article and would likely
come away with a one-sided and simplistic perspective on
the history and nature of money.
Michael Hudson offers a wonderful piece on the ancient
middle east, how they handled oppressive debt, and how, in
the Anglo-Saxon word, the biblical word for debt got
translated into 'sin.'
"From the actual people who study
cuneiform records, 90% of which are economic, what we have
surviving from Sumer and Babylonia, from about 2500 BC to
the time of Jesus, are mainly marriage contracts, dowries,
legal contracts, economic contracts, and loan contracts.
Above all, loans....
The rulers had what we would call an economic model.
They realized that every economy tended to become unstable
as a result of compound interest. We have the training
tablets that they trained scribal students with, around
1800 or 1900 BC. They had to calculate: How long does it
take debt to double its size, at what we'd call 20%
interest? The answer is 5 years. How does long it take to
multiply four-fold? The answer is 10 years. How much to
multiply 64 times? The answer is 30 years. Well you can
imagine how fast the debts grew.
So they knew how the tendency of every society was that
people would run up debts. Now when they ran up debts in
Sumer and Babylonia, and even in in Judea in Jesus' time,
they didn't borrow money from money lenders. People owed
debts because they were in arrears: They couldn't pay the
fees owed to the palace. We might call them taxes, but
they actually were fees for public services. And for beer,
for instance. The palace would supply beer and you would
run up a tab over the year, to be paid at harvest time on
the threshing floor. You also would pay for the boatmen,
if you needed to get your harvest delivered by boat. You
would pay for draught cattle if you needed them. You'd pay
for water. Cornelia Wunsch did one study and found that
75% of the debts, even in neo-Babylonian times around the
5th or 4th century BC, were arrears.
Sometimes the harvest failed. And when the harvest
failed, obviously they couldn't pay their fees and other
debts. Hammurabi canceled debts four or five times during
his reign. He did this because either the harvest failed
or there was a war and people couldn't pay.
What do you do if you're a ruler and people can't pay?
One reason they would cancel debts is that most debts were
owed to the palace or to the temples, which were under the
control of the palace. So you're canceling debts that are
owed to yourself.
Rulers had a good reason for doing this. If they didn't
cancel the debts, then people who owed money would become
bondservants to the tax collector or the wealthy
creditors, or whoever they owed money to. If they were
bondservants, they couldn't serve in the army. They
couldn't provide the corvée labor duties – the kind of tax
that people had to pay in the form of labor. Or they would
defect. If you wanted to win a war you had to have a
citizenry that had its own land, its own means of
support."
http://michael-hudson.com/2017/01/the-land-belongs-to-god/
"The focus of my talk today will be Jesus' first sermon
and the long background behind it that helps explain what
he was talking about and what he sought to bring about."
Glad you are researching the ancient history of monetary
regimes. Especially since your research into monetary
history over the past 150 years is so incredibly wrong.
"Non-OPEC oil producers keep on pumping, deliver just 64%
of pledged output cuts in Feb, source says"
Reuters...3-17-2017...7 Hours Ago
"Eleven non-OPEC oil producers that joined a global deal
to reduce output to boost prices delivered 64 percent of
promised cuts in February, an industry source said on Friday,
still lagging the higher levels of OPEC itself.
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries
(OPEC), Russia and other producers agreed to cut production
by 1.8 million barrels per day (bpd) from Jan. 1 to boost
prices and reduce a supply glut.
On Thursday, Saudi Energy Minister Khalid Al-Falih urged
better delivery from exporters that have vowed to reduce
their oil supply.
"It's a learning process for some countries and we want
them to accelerate that learning and get on board fully," he
told CNBC.
Compliance numbers were reviewed at a meeting in Vienna on
Friday comprised of officials from countries monitoring
adherence to agreed output levels - OPEC members Kuwait,
Venezuela, Algeria plus non-OPEC Russia and Oman.
Russia plans to step up its adherence, saying on Friday
that it will cut output by the full amount it had pledged -
300,000 bpd - by the end of April and will maintain that
level until the deal expires at the end of June.
Last week, Al-Falih told CNBC that Russia had cut more
slowly than he would have liked in the first two months of
the deal, but confirmed Moscow was accelerating reductions in
March. Saudi Arabia has provided the lion's share of output
curbs to date.
The meeting on Friday also discussed OPEC's own
compliance, which it put at 106 percent..."
"A few comments from Steven Kopits of Princeton Energy
Advisors LLC"
Mar 17, 2017:
• The US oil rig count was up by 14 this week to 631
• US horizontal oil rigs were up by 14 to 530
...
• This was another very aggressive rig add, but curiously
came from outside the major plays. This suggests that either
the business is spreading beyond its historical boundaries,
or that some technical and non-recurring issues may be at
play.
The writing on the wall for the oil industry is pretty clear: (1) high oil
prices are needed to finance recovery of the remaining dirty, hard-to-get oil, but
(2) high oil prices drive a collapse in demand as consumers respond by turning to
efficient technologies and renewable energy.
The oil industry, from multinationals like Exxon to state actors like OPEC
members, is thus trying to keep prices in a narrow band that is just high enough
to make things like fracking and shale oil profitable, but not so high as to
accelerate demand collapse. The highest-cost dirtiest oil is being abandoned, for
example
Exxon just wrote off tar sand oil holdings:
The company said Wednesday in its annual 10-K filing to the Securities and
Exchanges Commission that it has cut its estimate of recoverable reserves by a
net 3.3 billion barrels of oil equivalent (or "bboe"), to just under 20
billion, a result of low crude prices that have made some of its investments in
high-cost oil uneconomic to extract. Specifically, the company de-booked its
entire pro rata 3.5 billion barrels of reserves in a Canadian oil sands
project.
Clearly the long-term picture is a shift to highly efficient vehicles (Toyota's
133-mpg Prius just came out), electric vehicles, low-pollution fuels like natural
gas for the trucking industry, etc. – meaning that gasoline and diesel are heading
the same way as coal, slowly but surely. Smart investors should be unwinding their
oil holdings as fast as possible.
Toyota's Prius Prime isn't rated at 133 mpg on gas – it's closer to 50-60
mpg and the Prius Prime is more expensive than the conventional prius. The
primary benefit of the prius prime is that it has bigger batteries and 'plug
in' capabilities. It goes 133 miles on the electricity equivalent of 1 gallon
of gas but its batteries are so small that it can only go about 20 miles on
electricity until it switches over to gas.
Meanwhile, Toyota's Camry (a 30 mpg car) is losing its sales volume to the
Rav4 (a 24 mpg SUV). America's desire for SUVs and AWD has resulted in a pretty
constant fleet mpg average over the past two decades with gains in efficiency
offset by gains in vehicle mass and capability.
I recently talked to somebody from Toyota and he mentioned that their
production mix in North America is skewed compared to their demand. Their
production mix 45:55 passenger cars to trucks/SUV's right now, but the
demand is 40:60 and it's shifting further to the heavy side, they expect
this year to be 35:65.
This is despite heavy promotions and discounts they are doing on smaller
vehicles to try to get them off the lot. On the truck side, they sell them
as soon as they are out of the factory. Cheap oil is driving the demand for
larger vehicles and killing the hybrid/electric sales.
The basic issue is that electric motors approach 99% efficiency at
converting stored electric charge to power, while gasoline and diesel
internal combustion engines tend to operate at 15-25% efficiency when
converting gasoline or diesel to power. At current fuel & electricity
prices, costs per-mile are at least 3 times higher for fossil fueled
vehicles vs. electric vehicles.
What effect would a 10% drop in demand for gasoline and diesel have on
crude oil prices? And at those low prices, what would be the effect on
investment in exploration and production of oil? That's the downward death
spiral for the fossil fuel industry.
"The basic issue is that electric motors approach 99% efficiency at
converting stored electric charge to power,"
This is not true. Electric motor in cars works via transmission, not
directly because they rotate at higher speeds then is necessary to rotate
the wheels.
Which impose at least 20% losses.
Battery also impose 10% losses as it has internal impedance and
conversion of chemical energy into electrical and vise versa in not 100%
efficient.
Efficiency of the battery drops with age and three year battery is
even less efficient. Another 5% losses are in charging devices and
transmission.
Add to this that electrical car needs to heat cabin with 5 KW heater
or cool it with 3 KW air conditioner and outside California hybrids beat
electrical vehicle to the punch in all important technological
parameters.
That means that electrical car right now is more of a status symbol,
then a practical solution for regular folks.
Electricity is still mostly being produced by fossil fuel. If you
factor in distribution loss and the much higher energy cost for producing
batteries electric cars are less efficient. That is unless you take to
producing electrity from renewables. But the renewables are not always on
line and therefore you need to have the same amount of legacy power
stations as before. You need to find a way to store energy but we are
still very far from that and I personally don´t think we will ever return
to the days when one unit of energy yields 100 units of energy in oil.
Renewables will never provide these kinds of yields. And it isn´t at all
clear to me why one had to move one ton of iron to get somebody from A to
B. It is all in the mind .
Quite a bit of the enduring switch to larger, lower mpg vehicles seems to
be fueled by lending practices that favor big-ticket big machines. Absent
this market-distorting 'push' from car manufacturers' affiliated finance
arms .. this preference might disappear. From the user perspective there are
benefits to owning larger vehicles, but on our increasingly congested roads
there are obvious drawbacks as well.
You are – implicitly – claiming consumers naturally prefer the big
vehicles that are pushed on them by financing gimmicks. I see the almighty
consumer as being gamed on this matter.
There are definitely regional and cultural differences that you are
correct to point out, and status symbols corresponding.
I think there are generational differences, also. Young people are
much less into cars than the older crowd. Plus they prefer cities
more, where cars become more of a hassle.
With rising default rates and rising interest rates, the auto
lending sector looks set to take a bath in the next year or two.
If you are going to be stuck in trafic for hours on end, with the
kids in the back seat, would you rather be in a closterfobic combac or
a spatious SUV?
In MA I see a ton of shiny, otherwise normal looking pickups with
commercial plates. I've always assumed it was tradesmen or plowers who
could plausibly claim a tax break for these vehicles.
Peak oil consumption equals stranded resource. The race is on to pump as
much as possible before demand dries up even more and prices collapse to $10
p/b. There is so much debt leverage against oil in the ground that pumping must
be ramped to pay it off making a price collapse even more certain.
I wish we live in such a comfortable Universe as you describe. But this
is a Utopia. In reality:
1. There no peak oil consumption on the horizon world wide. Mankind
adds around one million barrels per day in consumption each year. China
and India consumption is growing and probably will continue to grow for
at least a decade. Consumption in other Africa and Asian countries is
growing too.
2. There are very few oil fields were you can profitably extract oil
at prices below $50 per barrel. And those fields are old and are closer
and closer to depletion (those fields are mainly KSA, Iraq and other Gulf
fields). Neither US shale nor Canadian oil sands belong to this category.
But with oil prices above 60 or 70 the US economy will stagnate, unless
supported by printing money. See nonsense factory post above. This is a
new Catch 22 but will pretty menacing implications.
3. Junk bonds generated by shale companies in the USA is a bubble (or
Ponzi finance in Minsky classification, if you like) that will eventually
collapse/deflate. Few bondholders will ever be paid.
Borio is head of the Monetary and
Economic Department at the Bank of
International Settlements. In turn, BIS
was set up in 1930 and its membership is
made up of 60 central banks from all
over the world. BIS acts as a bank for
central banks in certain international
financial transactions, and also holds
meetings and does research to encourage
communication between central banks.
Under Borio's leadership, the BIS has
been a strong voice expressing concerns
over financial cycle and their
deleterious effects, so no one who knows
the BIS research output will be
surprised that he finds fiscal cycle
drag, rather than secular stagnation,
the more plausible explanation for slow
growth. Here's how he lays out the
argument (for readability, citations,
footnotes, and references to graphs are
omitted):
The secular stagnation hypothesis can
be summarised in three propositions.
First, the world has been haunted for
a very long time, well before the
crisis, by a structural aggregate
demand deficiency that is likely to
persist well into the future and keep
growth sluggish. Many factors are
typically mentioned in this context,
including ageing populations, growing
income and wealth inequality, and
falling tangible investment owing to
technological change. Second, the
pre-crisis financial boom (or
"bubble") was the only reason why
output reached potential, ie full
employment. Third, and more
technically, the natural (or
equilibrium) real interest rate has
been falling steadily and has been
negative for some time. Now, the
natural or equilibrium interest rate
is typically defined as the rate that
would prevail if output was at its
potential level and hence inflation
was stable. So, in plainer language,
given the major structural demand
deficiency, real (inflation-adjusted)
interest rates must be negative in
order to ensure that the economy
operates at full employment and to
avoid a costly deflationary spiral.
Such a spiral would arise because,
with nominal interest rates stuck at
the zero lower bound, falling prices
would raise real interest rates,
which would cut spending further,
which, in turn, would depress output
and employment and hence prices, and
so on.
The financial cycle drag hypothesis
can also be summarised in three
propositions – largely the mirror
image of the previous ones. First,
the world has been haunted by the
inability to restrain financial booms
that, once they turn to bust, cause
huge and long-lasting economic damage
– deep and protracted recessions,
weak and drawn-out recoveries, and
persistently slower productivity
growth. Such outsize financial cycles
are best characterised by the joint
fluctuations in credit and asset
prices, especially property prices,
as risk-taking ebbs and flows. And
they tend to be much longer than
"traditional" business cycles (say,
15–20 years rather than 8–10).
Second, the pre-crisis boom actually
pushed output above potential and
undermined productivity. In other
words, it was not even required to
achieve full employment. Third, the
natural or equilibrium real interest
rate is positive and considerably
higher than the secular stagnation
hypothesis would suggest. There are
two related reasons for this.
Defining and measuring an equilibrium
rate without explicitly considering
the build-up of financial imbalances
is too narrow an approach. In
addition, the global demand
deficiency has been overestimated
while the role of primarily positive,
and benign, secular supply side
global factors in driving inflation
has been underestimated. ...
The [secular stagnation] hypothesis
is quite compelling in some respects,
but even a cursory look at the facts
raises some questions. The hypothesis
was originally developed for the
Unites States, a country that posted
a large current account deficit even
pre-crisis – hardly a symptom of
domestic demand deficiency. True, US
growth pre-crisis was not
spectacular, but it was not weak
either – recall how people hailed the
Great Moderation, an era of
outstanding performance. Likewise,
the world as a whole saw record
growth rates and low unemployment
rates – again, hardly a symptom of
global demand deficiency. Finally,
recent declines in unemployment rates
to historical averages – and, in some
cases, such as the United States,
close to estimates of full employment
– point to supply, rather than
demand, constraints on growth.
At the same time, a number of
specific pieces of evidence support
the financial cycle drag hypothesis.
First, there is plenty of evidence
that banking crises, which occur
during financial busts, cause very
long-lasting damage to the economy.
They result in permanent output
losses, so that output may regain its
pre-crisis long-term growth trend but
evolves along a lower path. There is
also evidence that recoveries are
slower and more protracted. And in
some cases, growth itself may also be
seriously damaged for a long time. If
so, given the GFC's almost
unprecedented depth and breadth, the
subsequent evolution of output is not
that surprising – although it would
have been so for forecasters that did
not adjust their "models" to take
such patterns into account.
Second, BIS research has found
evidence that financial (credit)
booms tend to undermine productivity
growth, further helping to explain
the post-crisis weakness ... Drawing
on a sample of over 40 countries and
over 40 years, the data suggest that
this happens mainly as a result of a
misallocation of resources towards
lower-productivity growth sectors,
notably construction, and that the
impact of the misallocations that
occur during the boom is twice as
large in the wake of a subsequent
banking crisis. The reasons are
unclear, but may reflect, at least in
part, the fact that overindebtedness
and a broken banking system make it
harder to reallocate resources away
from bloated sectors during the bust.
... The findings could help explain
the faster pace of the long-term
decline in productivity growth seen
in recent years.
Third, measures of output gaps used
in policymaking now show that output
was indeed above potential
pre-crisis. ... The reason is simple:
the symptom of unsustainable
expansion was not rising inflation,
which stayed low and stable, but the
buildup of financial imbalances, in
the form of unusually strong and
persistent credit growth and property
price increases.
Or course, one need not make a totally
black-or-white choice between the
secular stagnation and the fiscal cycle
drag hypotheses. For example, one could
believe in secular stagnation, and still
feel that it's pretty important to find
ways to prevent financial cycles from
blowing up into bubbles and crises.
"Spanish oil company Repsol SA said on Thursday that it
had discovered a giant oil field in Alaska, a potential find
big enough to help stem production declines in the state.
Repsol said two wells drilled this winter with
Denver-based partner Armstrong Oil & Gas, Inc. indicate that
recent discoveries in an area that lies between existing
operations in the state's North Slope could hold as much as
1.2 billion barrels of oil.
First production from the discoveries could come as soon
as 2021, with output of as much as 120,000 barrels a day,
Repsol : "
"The US Department of Interior (DOI) has recently made public its plan of leasing 73
million acres in the Gulf of Mexico for crude oil and natural gas production. The areas in question
are blocks off the coasts of Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida and Texas" [
Economic
Calendar
]. "The proposed plan echoes the previous administration's plan for the Gulf of Mexico
fossil fuels production. However, the Obama administration was somewhat more humble, suggesting a
lease of 64 million acres."
With oil's recent somnolent, low-vol levitation at their back, the number of hedge funds and
other speculators who were soothed by the gradual move higher and betting on the success of OPEC
reflationary strategy, had recently grown to an all time high, as seen in the chart below showing
the number of long net-spec positions in the combined oil futures market.
... ... ...
In total, options equivalent to to than 800 million barrels of crude oil exchange hands
yesterday, an amount that is well more than half the total outstanding net long spec positions.
The "thirty-year crisis" of capitalism, which encompassed two world wars and the Great Depression,
was followed by a period that some economists call the Golden Age of capitalism. Today, however,
capitalism is once again enmeshed in a crisis that portends far-reaching consequences. I am not referring
here to the mere phenomenon of the generally slower average growth that has marked the system since
the mid-1970s. Rather, I am talking specifically of the crisis that started with the collapse of
the U.S. housing bubble in 2007-8 and which, far from abating, is only becoming more pronounced.
The Western media often give the impression that the capitalist world is slowly emerging from
this crisis. Since the Eurozone continues to be mired in stagnation, this impression derives entirely
from the experience of the United States, where there has been talk of raising the interest rate
on the grounds that the crisis is over, and inflation is now the new threat. There are, however,
two points about the U.S. "recovery" that need to be noted.
First, the so-called recovery has been greatly influenced by the boost in consumer demand, which
in turn was stimulated by the drastic fall in oil prices. However, this increased demand has not
been accompanied by any notable increase in investment activity, despite the fact that long-term
interest rates are near zero-that is, despite a monetary policy that has been as supportive as it
can be. We have, in other words, a repeat of the situation of the late 1930s, prior to the U.S. rearmament
drive, when capacity utilization improved in the consumption goods sector without much recovery in
the capital goods sector.
1
Secondly, even this limited recovery in the United States has coincided with an extraordinarily
high rate of unemployment. Official statistics show an exactly opposite picture, of a decline in
unemployment to just 5 percent at present. But what is missed in these figures is the large exodus
from the labor force: millions have become too discouraged to continue seeking work, and are therefore
no longer counted as unemployed. In fact, if one takes the labor force to working-age population
ratio (the labor force participation rate) from 2007, when the Great Recession began, and recalculates
the size of the current labor force on that basis, then the current unemployment rate would be around
11 percent.
2 Many would put the figure even higher, on the grounds that the official size of the labor force
is an underestimate even for the base date.
To claim, therefore, that the United States is experiencing a full recovery is, in terms of working
class well-being and economic security, wrong. And if we consider the rest of the world, especially
recent developments in the "emerging economies," the situation is much worse.
II
The most significant of these developments is the slowing down of the growth rate in countries
like India and China-that is, the spread of the crisis to the so-called emerging economies, especially
China. Let us locate this slowdown in its proper context.
Since 2005, the trade-weighted exchange rate (TWER) of China-its exchange rate vis-à-vis a basket
of currencies, where the weight of each currency depends upon its relative importance in China's
trade-has appreciated by 50 percent. Even between 2009, when the TWER spiked, and 2015, the extent
of appreciation was 20 percent. This basically meant that the Chinese economy was creating more room
for the rest of the world to compete with it, and hence, in effect, to grow at China's own expense.
China could afford to do so because an asset price bubble was then sustaining its domestic growth
rate. In a sense, therefore, China was supporting the growth rate of the rest of the world, in much
the same way that the United States had done decades earlier-though of course the stimulus provided
by China was not as large. This Chinese support explains why the crisis continued, but not in as
accentuated a form as it would have otherwise.
But the asset price bubble in China has now collapsed, which, together with the effect of global
stagnation on Chinese exports, has slowed the nation's growth rate. This explains the recent devaluation
of the yuan by a little less than 4 percent, and the Chinese government's apparent willingness to
effect greater devaluation in the future, camouflaged as a commitment to make the yuan more "market-determined."
In a number of ways, the devaluation of the yuan, and official hints that further devaluations
cannot be ruled out, constitutes the start of a whole new dynamic. First, it marks the beginning
of a spate of competitive currency depreciations-apparently effected by the market but with the connivance
of their respective governments-and hence of "beggar-thy-neighbor" policies, another echo of the
1930s, after the collapse of the gold standard. Indeed, after the devaluation of the yuan, several
currencies have also depreciated vis-à-vis the dollar. This is because the "market"-that is, speculators-have
expected such depreciations and hence behaved in a way that actually brings them about. Meanwhile,
goverments have been either unwilling to intervene to support their currencies, since that would
hurt competitiveness and reduce net exports, or unable to do so, in cases where they lack adequate
foreign exchange reserves.
This spate of currency depreciations, which are likely to recur, represents, in effect, a struggle
between countries for a larger share in a non-expanding world market. I discuss the issue of non-expansion
below, but two points about this struggle over markets should be noted here. First, the United States
is at a disadvantage in this struggle, since the currency depreciations are all vis-à-vis the U.S.
dollar. This means that there is no way that the dollar itself can be made to depreciate relative
to other currencies. The United States has predictably postponed the increase in its interest rate,
which the Fed has been promising for some time, since such an increase would only have appreciated
the value of the dollar still further. Unfortunately, the Fed cannot lower its interest rates any
further since they are already close to zero, and monetary policy is incapable of pushing them into
negative digits.
Thus, while the United States cannot use monetary policy to defend its net exports and hence prevent
the additional unemployment arising from a reduction in net exports, it also cannot even hope that
the value of the dollar vis-à-vis other currencies will stabilize at their current level. When other
currencies fall relative to the dollar, it only strengthens the tendency of wealth-holders around
the world to flock to the dollar. This means that the undermining of the United States' net-exports
position will continue, thereby exacerbating U.S. unemployment. In short, the dollar's role as a
universal medium of wealth-holding, which has allowed the United States to finance massive current
account deficits, will act as an albatross at the level of domestic activity and employment.
To defend its domestic activity, the United States therefore has no alternative policy measure
but to impose implicit or explicit trade restrictions, such as those in the Bring Jobs Home Act introduced
in the Senate in July 2014. For even if the United States were to overcome the neoliberal aversion
to fiscal activism in pursuit of larger employment and actually undertake a fiscal stimulus, without
trade restrictions, the employment-generating effects of such a stimulus would leak out abroad even
more than before. But any imposition of trade restrictions would undermine the neoliberal order,
presided over by international finance capital, which the United States is committed to defending.
The second point to note about this struggle over a non-expanding world market is that it would
no longer just remain "non-expanding" in the weak sense of the term, but would actually begin to
contract. This is because in a situation of widespread currency depreciation all currencies do not
move up or down exactly synchronously. Consequently the calculation of profitability on projects
becomes more difficult, as costs and revenues can fluctuate over any arbitrary stretch of time. Hence,
the risks associated with investment increase, causing everywhere a shrinking of investment below
what it otherwise would have been, and with it an overall contraction in the world market.
This brings us to the second aspect of the new dynamic. The recent fall in China's growth rate
has led to a collapse in world commodity prices (though some, like oil, began falling even earlier).
This has already affected the growth rates of a whole range of countries dependent on commodity exports,
like Australia, Chile, and Brazil, with the latter now "officially" declared to be suffering from
a recession. The generalized fall in commodity prices will serve to shrink the world market still
further.
True, I said earlier that the fall in oil prices was a factor in boosting demand in the
United States and hence provided a demand stimulus for the world economy. But there is a difference
between the effect of a fall in oil prices alone and that of a fall in commodity prices in general.
In the case of oil, the mean "marginal propensity" to spend-to use a Keynesian term-is higher for
the buyers than for the sellers (since the latter are dominated by kings and sheikhs), while the
opposite is likely to be true for other commodities.
Though the fall in commodity prices in itself constitutes an additional cause of the worsening
crisis, it poses a still greater threat through another channel, namely the prospect of what the
early twentieth-century economist Irving Fisher called "debt deflation."
3 Fisher argued that if primary commodity prices, and consequently manufactured goods prices,
fall, then the real burden of debt goes up for those for whom such goods appear on the asset side,
against money-denominated debt obligations on the liability side. To improve their balance sheets,
therefore, they try selling these assets, which only makes things worse, leading to huge falls in
asset prices and hence to bankruptcies that deepen the recession. The advanced capitalist countries
have been on the brink of deflation for a long time; current developments may push them over the
edge and compound the crisis greatly.
The third feature of the current crisis is the tendency toward falling stock prices. This can
be part of the above-mentioned process of a commodity price fall-induced debt deflation itself. And
insofar as the prospect of slower growth leads to stock price falls, independent of any fall in commodity
prices, it can be an autonomous source of debt deflation. Falling stock prices, in other words, would
also increase the pressure for balance sheet adjustments, which result in further falls in stock
prices-and so on.
What is particularly noteworthy here is that these three aspects-falls in exchange rates (vis-à-vis
the U.S. dollar), in commodity prices, and in stock prices-are likely to reinforce one another, as
is happening now. World capitalism, in short, is poised for a serious accentuation of the crisis.
And at the core of this crisis is the fact that there are no expansionary factors working towards
an increase in the size of the world market. On the contrary, even the long-run tendency is now in
the opposite direction, toward contraction. Let us now examine this latter issue.
III
A long line of argument going back to Rosa Luxemburg and Michał Kalecki states that a capitalist
economy requires exogenous stimuli, as distinct from endogenous stimuli, for its sustained growth.
4 "Endogenous stimuli" are those stimuli for increased productive capacity that arise from the
very fact that the economy has been growing. Their inadequacy for explaining sustained growth arises
from the following problem: just as an economy subject to growth generates expectations of future
growth, and hence induces capitalists to add to capacity in anticipation of such expansion, thereby
keeping the momentum of growth going, so any slackening must work in the opposite direction. Capitalists
must cut back on additions to productive capacity, and this will exacerbate such slowing of growth.
And if an economy is caught in stagnation with no expansion at all, then capitalists have no reason
to expect any growth (if endogenous stimuli are all that exist), and hence will not add to productive
capacity, which in turn, by suppressing demand, would tether the economy to stagnation.
Since this has not been the actual experience of capitalist economies, then there must be exogenous
stimuli that bring forth investment, or autonomous additions to demand, quite independently of whether
the economy has been growing. Exogenous stimuli, in short, prevent the economy from remaining trapped
in stagnation and explain sustained long-term growth.
This argument follows quite simply from a rejection of Say's Law, that is, from a recognition
of the possibility of a deficiency of aggregate demand. The fact that aggregate demand may be deficient
is what makes capitalists assess demand prospects before deciding to increase capacity, and this
in turn is what makes endogenous stimuli insufficient for explaining growth, and giving rise to the
need for exogenous stimuli.
5
Among exogenous stimuli, three in particular have received attention from economists: pre-capitalist
markets, state expenditure, and innovations. I use the last term in its widest sense: advances which
make capitalists, with access to some new process or product, undertake additions to capacity in
the hope of stealing a march over their rivals (or at least of not falling behind). However, the
role of innovations as exogenous stimuli has been questioned, in my view legitimately, by a number
of writers.
6 In oligopolistic markets, where price cuts to sell at the expense of rivals are generally eschewed,
capitalists tend to give whatever investment they would have otherwise undertaken the form
that innovation demands, rather than actually undertaking additional investment (that is, adding
further to capacity), and in that case innovations cease to be genuinely exogenous stimuli. This
is also confirmed by economic historians, who show that during the interwar Great Depression, the
available innovations, instead of helping capitalism overcome its crisis, actually remained unused,
and were introduced only in the postwar period of high aggregate demand.
Pre-capitalist markets, or more generally the phenomenon of capital pushing outwards from its
metropolitan core, played an important role as an exogenous stimulus in the pre-First World War period.
The picture, however, was not as straightforward as Rosa Luxemburg suggested, in which capitalism
simply selling at the expense of the pre-capitalist producers in the colonies. It was much more complex.
Both labor and capital migrated from the metropoles of Europe toward the temperate regions of white
settlement, such as the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Argentina.
Over four-fifths of all capital exports went to these regions. But the goods produced in the metropolis,
especially in Britain, the largest capital exporter of the period, were not necessarily the ones
most in demand in these developing "new regions," which rather required raw materials and foodstuffs
from the tropical zones. Metropolitan goods were sold in the tropical colonies, and the tropical
goods were exported to the new regions.
The important point is that the tropical goods exported from the tropical colonies to the new
regions in this system, which was dominated by the British, were not just equal in value to the metropolitan
goods imported to the tropical colonies. That is, the tropical colonies were not merely used to change
the form of the goods exported to the new white settler regions. The tropical exports to the "new
world" were of much greater value than the goods the tropical countries received as imports from
the metropolis, and while the domestic currency payment to the local producers of this export surplus
came out of the colonial government's tax revenue (extracted largely from the very same producers),
the gold and foreign exchange earnings from this export surplus were appropriated by the metropolitan
country, without the tropical colony acquiring any claims upon the metropolis. This difference
therefore constituted a gratuitous extraction by the metropolis from the tropical colonies without
any quid pro quo (an imbalance that Indian nationalist writers, who were the first to uncover it,
called a "drain of surplus" from the colonies).
The exogenous stimulus in the pre-First World War period, in other words, came from the colonial
system, which incorporated both the colonies of conquest, like India, and the colonies of settlement,
like the United States, through a complex mechanism. This mechanism had three interlinked elements:
a process of "deindustrialization," that is, displacement of pre-capitalist producers, notably textile
manufacturers, inflicted upon the colonies of conquest by imports from the metropolis, which Rosa
Luxemburg highlighted; the drain of surplus described above; and through this drain the ability of
the metropolis to export capital for developing regions of recent settlement, in the commodity-form
of tropical primary commodities, which these regions needed. The largest colony of conquest, India,
posted the second largest merchandise trade surplus in the world for fifty years before 1928-second
only to the United States-but its exchange earnings were entirely appropriated for supporting the
metropolitan balance of payments.
7
This entire arrangement, which underlay the secular boom spanning the Victorian and Edwardian
eras, fell apart after the First World War. We need not enter here in detail into the reasons for
this collapse, which included, inter alia , the "closing of the frontier"; the encroachment
by Japan on the Asian colonial markets of Britain; and the world agricultural crisis, which led to
a collapse of the colonies' exchange earnings, undermining the triangular system of payments.
8
The subsequent interwar period was thus one when capitalism was without any exogenous stimulus,
with the colonial system no longer effective and state intervention in "demand management" not yet
even part of the theoretical discourse.
9 Is it any surprise then that the Great Depression of the 1930s occurred precisely during this
period?
State intervention to boost aggregate demand was tried first in Japan under Finance Minister Takahashi
in 1931, but was extended by the Japanese militarists far beyond what Takahashi had wanted-to the
point of having him murdered when he objected to higher military spending. It was introduced in Germany
in 1933 with the Nazi rearmament drive. In the liberal bourgeois economies, it came on the eve of
the war itself, with a stepping up of military expenditure necessitated by the fascist threat. It
became a normal feature of capitalism, as distinct from a mere contingent necessity, only in the
postwar years when, under the twin impact of the socialist threat from outside and of working-class
restiveness from within, metropolitan capitalism was forced to abandon for the moment the principles
of "sound finance." Such working-class agitation within the metropolis arose because workers who
had made great sacrifices during the war were unwilling to return to their pre-war situation of unemployment
and poverty.
The postwar years of state intervention in demand management, which produced low levels of unemployment
unprecedented in the history of capitalism, and hence high levels of growth (in response to the high
demand), high levels of growth in labor productivity, and high levels of growth in real wages, have
been described as a Golden Age of capitalism. While state intervention occurred in nearly every nation,
the entire system was also buttressed by massive military expenditure by the United States, which
opened (and maintains) a string of military bases all over the globe. As the Vietnam War escalated
and U.S. military expenditure swelled, financed by printed dollars-decreed to be as good as gold
under the Bretton Woods system-the rest of the world was obliged to hold on to these dollars, even
as excess demand generated inflation. This inflation prompted a shift to commodities, and later to
gold, resulting in the abandonment of the Bretton Woods system. An engineered recession followed,
made worse by the fact that the price of one crucial commodity, oil, was kept up by a cartel, OPEC,
even as other prices subsided.
But if the mid-1970s recession in the capitalist world was the start of the dismantling of state
intervention in demand management, the basis for this dismantling lay elsewhere. It lay in the phenomenon
of the globalization of capital, especially finance capital, which had been occurring since the late
1960s and which had since gathered momentum. The regime of globalized finance meant that while finance
was international, the state remained a nation-state. All nation-states therefore had to bow before
the demands of finance capital in order to prevent any capital flight.
This in turn meant controlling fiscal deficits, because, as we have seen, finance capital favors
"sound finance" and dislikes fiscal deficits; it also meant reducing the tax burden on capitalists.
These together snuffed out the scope for state intervention in demand management. Any stimulation
of activity, either through a fiscal deficit or through a balanced budget multiplier (where revenues
are raised to match increased state expenditure by taxing the rich) became well-nigh impossible.
10 Subsequently, of course, austerity in government spending was projected as a virtue on the
purported grounds that private investment was crowded out by government "profligacy," an argument
which was only Say's Law (supply creates its own demand) in a new guise.
The point of this disquisition is to suggest that capitalism in the present era, the era of globalization
which entails above all the globalization of finance, is without either of its two main exogenous
stimuli-pre-capitalist markets and state spending to boost demand. The only stimulus for a boom therefore,
apart from debt-financed enhancement of consumer expenditure (which can only be transient), arises
from the formation of occasional asset-price bubbles. But such bubbles, even though they may produce
occasional booms, inevitably collapse, so that the average level of activity through booms and slumps
is lower than under the regime of state intervention. Besides, asset-price bubbles cannot be made
to order; the system cannot hold a gun to the heads of speculators and force them to feel the kind
of euphoric expectations that underlie bubbles. Consequently there may be long intervals, even during
this period of general slow growth, when the system is submerged in prolonged stagnation and recession.
There is, however, an additional factor of great importance that makes matters even worse in the
era of globalization. Let us turn to it now.
IV
In the period before the current globalization, the world economy was deeply segmented. Labor
from the South was not allowed to move freely to the North. As W. Arthur Lewis pointed out, there
were two great streams of migration in the nineteenth century: a migration of labor from tropical
and subtropical regions like India and China, which went as "coolie" or indentured labor to other
tropical or subtropical regions; and a migration of labor from temperate zones of Europe, which went
to other temperate regions like the United States, Canada, and Australia.
11 Once the era of slavery had run its course, these two streams were kept strictly separate
through severe restrictions on tropical migration to the temperate lands.
But while tropical labor was not free to move into the temperate regions, capital from the latter
was free to move into the former. Yet despite this formal freedom, capital chose not to
do so except in specific spheres like mines, plantations, and external trade. In particular, it did
not move manufacturing to the tropical regions, despite the very low wages prevailing there-a result
of the process of deindustrialization mentioned earlier. Capital from the temperate regions generally
moved into other countries within the temperate region itself, complementing the flow of labor migration.
The world economy was therefore segmented between the tropical and the temperate regions. In this
segmented universe, the labor reserves of the South did not restrain the rise of real wages in the
North when labor productivity increased. There was consequently, on the one hand, a widening of inequalities
between the North and the South that encompassed even the workers, and on the other hand, a boost
to demand in the North from rising wages that would not have occurred in the absence of this segmentation.
12
Contemporary globalization has brought this segmentation to an end. Even though labor from the
South is still not free to move to the North, capital from the North is now far more willing than
before to locate manufacturing and service-sector activities-the latter largely through outsourcing-in
the South. This now makes real wages in the North subject to the baneful influence of the massive
labor reserves of the South. Not that real wages in the United States or any other advanced country
are anywhere near parity with Southern real wages. However, they tend to remain stagnant even as
labor productivity increases in the North. In fact, in the period of globalization, while the vector
of real wages across the world remains more or less unchanged owing to the restraining influence
of third-world labor reserves, the vector of labor productivities increases across the world. Both
in individual countries and in the world as a whole, therefore, the tendency is for the share of
surplus in output to increase. It is this context which explains Joseph Stiglitz's finding that even
as the labor productivity in the United States has increased substantially between 1968 and 2011,
the real wage rate of an American male worker has not increased during this period; indeed if anything
it has marginally declined.
13
This has two major implications. First, the increase in inequality now is not so much between
two geographical parts of the globe (indeed, several third-world countries have experienced faster
per capita income growth than the advanced capitalist world) as between the working people of the
world on the one side and the capitalists of the world and others living off the surplus on the other.
It is this increase in "vertical" as distinct from "horizontal" inequality that is reflected in recent
works by several mainstream economists, like those of Thomas Piketty, though they attribute this
inequality to altogether different and unpersuasive reasons.
The second implication is that, since the "marginal propensity to consume"-again to use a Keynesian
expression-is higher from wage income than from incomes derived from economic surplus, this growing
vertical inequality in incomes (or, more precisely, the tendency toward a rise in the share of surplus
in world output) produces a tendency toward a deficiency of aggregate demand and the problem of surplus
absorption.
This of course is an ex ante tendency, which could be kept in check if-as Baran and Sweezy
argued, noting a tendency toward such stagnation in the United States a half-century ago-state expenditure
could be appropriately increased to counteract it.
14 But what is noteworthy about the current period of globalization is that it both produces
an ex ante tendency towards global demand deficiency and also prevents any
possible counteracting state expenditure to overcome this tendency, due to the opposition of the
vested interests to fiscal deficits and taxes on the rich. (It should be noted that larger state
expenditure financed through taxes on the poor and the working class, who have a high propensity
to consume anyway, does not boost aggregate demand, and so cannot counteract the tendency toward
deficient demand.)
The only offset against this trend toward demand deficiency, therefore, can come from the occasional
asset price bubbles discussed earlier. Unfortunately, since they cannot be made to order, and since
they inevitably collapse, the world economy in the era of globalization becomes particularly vulnerable
to crises of recession and stagnation, which is exactly what we are now experiencing.
In other words, when we combine these two features of the current globalization-namely the absence
of any exogenous stimuli together with the endogenous tendency toward a global demand deficiency-we
get an inkling of the structural susceptibility of contemporary capitalism to protracted stagnation.
Either of these two features, i.e., the internal and external contradictions, would produce a tendency
toward stagnation on its own. In the current period, however, the two features act together, and
it is this fact which underlies the travails of contemporary capitalism.
V
The economic implications of protracted stagnation, and the possible systemic responses to it
at the macroeconomic level, are matters I shall not enter into here. I shall, however, end by drawing
attention to an obvious political implication, one that relates to the threat to democracy that this
protracted stagnation poses, of particular significance in the case of my own country, India.
The general incompatibility between capitalism and democracy is too obvious to need repetition
here: capitalism is a spontaneous system driven by its own immanent tendencies, while the essence
of democracy lies in people intervening through collective political praxis to shape their destinies,
including especially their economic destinies, which militates against this spontaneity. The fate
of Keynesianism, which thought that capitalism could be made to operate at close to full employment,
and thereby be made into a humane system through state intervention in demand management, shows the
impossibility of the project of retaining capitalism while overcoming its spontaneity.
This conflict becomes particularly acute in the era of globalization, when finance capital becomes
globalized, while the state, which remains the only possible instrument through which the people
could intervene on their own behalf, remains a nation-state. Here, as already mentioned, the state
accedes to the demands of finance capital, so that no matter whom the people elect, the same policies
remain in place, as long as the country remains within the vortex of globalized finance. Greece is
only the latest example to underscore this point.
But once we reckon with the tendency of the system in the era of globalization to fall into a
protracted crisis, this incompatibility becomes even more serious. In the context of crisis-induced
mass unemployment, the corporate-financial oligarchies that rule many countries actively promote
divisive, fascist, and semi-fascist movements, so that while the shell of democracy is preserved,
their own rule is not threatened by any concerted class action. And the governments formed by such
elements, even when they do not move immediately towards the imposition of a fascist state as in
the case of classical fascism, move nonetheless towards a "fascification" of the society and the
polity that constitutes a negation of democracy. In third-world societies such fascification not
only continues but even increases the scope for "primitive accumulation of capital" at the expense
of petty producers (which also ensures that the world labor reserves are not exhausted).
But that is not all. Since such fascism invites retaliation in the form of counter-fascistic movements,
as in the case of Hindu supremacism in India, which is starting to encourage a Muslim fundamentalist
response, the net result is social disintegration. This disintegration is the denouement of the current
globalization in societies like mine, and no doubt in many others. It is important, of course, to
struggle against this, but at the current juncture, when there are no international workers' movements,
let alone any international peasant movements, and hence no prospects for any synchronized transcendence
of capitalist globalization, any such struggles must necessarily be informed by an agenda of "delinking"
from capitalist globalization. This delinking should entail capital controls, management of foreign
trade, and an expansion of the domestic market through the protection and encouragement of petty
production, including peasant agriculture; through larger welfare expenditure by the state; and through
a more egalitarian distribution of wealth and income.
Notes
↩ For a discussion on this point, see Harry Magdoff, "Militarism and Imperialism," reprinted
in his collection
Imperialism Without Colonies (New York: Monthly Review Press, 2003).
↩ This is calculated from the U.S. Labor Statistics, Department of Labor. If we divide the
number of persons employed in October 2015 (when the unemployment rate was 5 percent) by the workforce
as it would have stood if the employment-population ratio in June 2007 were the same in October
2015, then the employment rate comes to 89.4 percent. This gives an unemployment rate of 10.6
percent, or 11 percent in round numbers. This is pretty close to the U-6 unemployment rate of
the BLS (10 percent), even though the latter is calculated differently.
↩ Irving Fisher, "The Debt-Deflation Theory of Great Depressions," Econometrica
1, no. 4 (1933): 337–57.
↩ See Rosa Luxemburg, The Accumulation of Capital (New York: Monthly Review Press,
1951 [1913]), and Michał Kalecki, "Observations on the Theory of Growth," The Economic Journal
285 (1962): 134–53.
↩ A detailed discussion of this issue can be found in Prabhat Patnaik, Accumulation
and Stability under Capitalism (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1997).
↩ See for instance Joseph Steindl,
Maturity and Stagnation in American Capitalism (New York: Monthly Review Press,
1976); Joan Robinson, introduction to Luxemburg, The Accumulation of Capital ; and
Paul A. Baran and Paul M. Sweezy,
Monopoly Capital
(New York: Monthly Review, 1966). For a discussion of this point in an historical context,
see W. A. Lewis, Growth and Fluctuations 1870–1913 (London: Allen and Unwin, 1978).
↩ For a detailed discussion of the issues involved, see Utsa Patnaik, "The Free Lunch: Transfers
from the Tropical Colonies and Their Role in Capital Formation in Britain During the Industrial
Revolution," in K. S. Jomo, ed., Globalization under Hegemony: The Long Twentieth Century
(New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2006); and "India in the World Economy 1900–1935:
The Inter-War Depression and Britain's Demise as World Capitalist Leader," Social Scientist
42 (2014): 488–89.
↩ While the first of these factors was emphasized by Alvin Hansen in his book Full Recovery
or Stagnation? (New York: Norton, 1938); the second factor, the role of Japanese competition,
is discussed in Prabhat Patnaik, Accumulation and Stability ; and the third, the
world agricultural crisis, in Utsa Patnaik, "India in the World Economy."
↩ Lloyd George's proposal in 1929 for a public works program financed by a fiscal deficit
to provide jobs to the unemployed, whose numbers had by then already risen to a million in Britain,
was shot down by the British Treasury on the basis of an utterly erroneous argument that Joan
Robinson, in her book Economic Philosophy (Harmondsworth: Penguin, 1966), calls "the
humbug of finance." The famous article by Richard Kahn on the "multiplier" effect ("The Relation
of Home Investment to Unemployment," Economic Journal 41, no. 162 [1931]: 173–98),
which provided the theoretical core of the Keynesian revolution, was written as a refutation of
this Treasury view. For a discussion of the arguments involved, see Prabhat Patnaik, "The Humbug
of Finance," in The Retreat to Unfreedom (New Delhi: Tulika, 2002).
↩ The United States no doubt constitutes an exception here: since its currency is still taken
to be "as good as gold," increases in U.S. fiscal deficits do not cause any capital flight and
are therefore sustainable. But at the same time, the consideration that the demand expansion caused
by such an increase would significantly leak out abroad through higher imports, which would mean
greater external indebtedness of the U.S. for generating jobs abroad, stands in the way. The closeness
of the U.S. government to financial interests that frown on fiscal deficits, and the pervasive
prevalence of the ideology of "sound finance," also work in the same direction.
↩ W. A. Lewis, The Evolution of the International Economic Order , (Princeton,
NJ: Princeton University Press, 1978).
↩ This demand aspect is emphasized by Joan Robinson in her introduction to Luxemburg,
The Accumulation of Capital , 26–27.
↩ Joseph Stiglitz, remarks to the AFL-CIO Convention on April 8, 2013.
↩ Indeed, this was the crux of their argument in Monopoly Capital .
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New scientific
research suggests that the world faces an imminent oil crunch, which will
trigger another financial crisis.
A report by HSBC shows
that contrary to the commonplace narrative in the industry, even amidst
the glut of unconventional oil and gas, the vast bulk of the
world's oil
production has already peaked
and is now in decline; while
European government scientists show that the value of energy produced by
oil has declined by half within just the first 15 years of the
21st century.
The upshot?
Welcome to a new age of permanent economic recession driven by ongoing
dependence on dirty, expensive, difficult oil unless we choose a
fundamentally different path.
*****
Last September, a
few outlets
were reporting the counter-intuitive findings of a new
HSBC research report on global oil supply. Unfortunately, the true
implications of the HSBC report were largely misunderstood.
The HSBC research
note - prepared for clients of the global bank - found that contrary to
concerns about too much oil supply and insufficient demand, the situation
was opposite: global oil supply will in coming years be insufficient to
sustain rising demand.
Yet the full, striking
import of the report, concerning the world's permanent entry into a new
age of global oil decline, was never really explained. The report didn't
just go against the grain that the most urgent concern is 'peak demand':
it vindicated what is routinely
lambasted by oil majors as a myth: peak oil - the concurrent peak and
decline of global oil production.
The HSBC report
you need to read, now
INSURGE intelligence
obtained a
copy of the report in December 2016, and for the first time we are
exclusively publishing the entire report in the public interest.
(Read and/or download the
full HSBC report by
clicking here
.)
Headquarted in
London, UK, HSBC is the world's sixth largest bank, holding assets of
$2.67 trillion. So when they produce a research report for their clients,
it would be wise to pay attention, and see what we can learn.
Among the report's most
shocking findings is that "81% of the world's total liquids production is
already in decline."
Between 2016 and 2020,
non-OPEC production will be flat due to declines in conventional oil
production, even though OPEC will continue to increase production
modestly. This means that by 2017, deliverable spare capacity could be as
little as 1% of global oil demand.
This heightens the risk
of a major global oil supply shock around 2018 which could "significantly
affect oil prices."
The report flatly asserts
that peak demand (the idea that demand will stop growing leaving the
world awash in too much supply), while certainly a relevant issue due to
climate change agreements and disruptive trends in alternative
technologies, is not the most imminent challenge:
"Even in a world of slower oil demand growth, we think the biggest
long-term challenge is to offset declines in production from mature
fields. The scale of this issue is such that in our view rather there
could well be a global supply squeeze some time before we are
realistically looking at global demand peaking."
Gas shortage.
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Under the current
supply glut driven by rising unconventional production, falling oil
prices have damaged industry profitability and led to dramatic cut
backs in new investments in production. This, HSBC says, will
exacerbate the likelihood of a global oil supply crunch from 2018
onward.
Four Saudi
Arabias, anyone?
The HSBC report
examines two main data sets from the International Energy Agency and
the University of Uppsala's Global Energy Systems Programme in Sweden.
The latter, it should
be noted, has consistently advocated a global peak oil scenario for
many years - the HSBC report confirms the accuracy of this scenario,
and shows that the IEA's data supports it.
The rate and nature of
new oil discoveries has declined dramatically over the last few
decades, reaching almost negligible levels on a global scale, the
report finds. Compare this to the report's warning that just to keep
production flat against increasing decline rates, the world will need
to add four Saudi Arabia's worth of production by 2040. North American
production, despite remaining the most promising in terms of
potential, will simply not be able to fill this gap.
Business Insider,
the
Telegraph
and other outlets
which covered the report last year acknowledged the supply gap, but
failed to properly clarify that HSBC's devastating findings basically
forecast the long term scarcity of cheap oil due to global peak oil,
from 2018 to 2040.
The report revises the
way it approaches the concept of peak oil - rather than forecasting it
as a single global event, the report uses a disaggregated approach
focusing on specific regions and producers. Under this analysis, 81%
of the world's oil supply has peaked in production and so now "is
post-peak".
Using a more
restrictive definition puts the quantity of global oil that has peaked
at 64%. But either way, well over half the world's global oil supply
consists of mature and declining fields whose production is inexorably
and irreversibly decreasing:
"If we assumed a decline rate of 5%pa [per year] on global
post-peak supply of 74mbd - which is by no means aggressive in our
view - it would imply a fall in post-peak supply of c.38mbd by 2030
and c.52mbd out to 2040. In other words, the world would need to
find over four times the size of Saudi Arabia just to keep supply
flat, before demand growth is taken into account."
A 'Pumps Closed' sign in the window of a petrol station on 42nd
Street and 11th Avenue, New York during a fuel shortage, 19th June
1979. The Mobil Pegasus logo is visible on the right.
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What's worse
is that when demand growth
is
taken into account - and the report notes that even the most
conservative projections forecast a rise in global oil demand by
2040 of more than 8mbd above that of 2015 - then even more oil
would be needed to fill the coming supply gap.
But with new
discoveries at an all time low and continuing to diminish, the
implication is that oil can simply never fill this gap.
Technological innovation exacerbates the problem
Much trumpeted
improvements in drilling rates and efficiency will not make things
better,
because they will only accelerate production in the short term
while, therefore, more rapidly depleting existing reserves. In this
case, the report concludes
:
" the decline-delaying techniques are only masking what
could be significantly higher decline rates in the future."
This does
not mean that peak demand should be dismissed as a serious concern.
As Michael Bradshaw, Professor of Global Energy at Warwick
University's Sloan Business School, told me for
my previous VICE article
, any return to higher oil prices will
have major economic consequences.
The HSBC report
takes the position that prices
will have to
rise eventually, because the drop in investment
due to declining profitability amidst the current glut will make a
supply squeeze inevitable. Better and more efficient drilling
creates a glut now: but it also accelerates depletion, meaning that
the lower prices and oil glut today is a precursor of tomorrow's
higher prices and supply squeeze.
There's another
possibility, which could mean that prices don't rise as HSBC
forecasts. In this scenario, the economy remains too weak to afford
an oil price hike. Demand for oil stays low because economic
activity remains tepid, while consumers and investors continue to
seek out alternative energy sources to fossil fuels. In that case,
the very inertia of a weakening economy would pre-empt the HSBC
scenario, and the industry would continue to slowly crush itself
out of the market due to declining profitability.
Price
spikes, economic recession
But what if the
HSBC supply forecast is correct?
Firstly, oil price
spikes would have an immediate recessionary effect on the global
economy, by amplifying inflation and leading to higher costs for
social activity at all levels, driven by the higher underlying
energy costs.
Secondly, even as
spikes may temporarily return some oil companies to potential
profitability, such higher oil prices will drive consumer
incentives to transition to cheaper renewable energy technologies
like solar and wind, which are already
becoming cost-competitive with fossil fuels
.
That means a global
oil squeeze could end up having a dramatic impact on continued
demand for oil, as twin crises of 'peak oil' and 'peak demand' end
up intensifying and interacting in unfamiliar ways.
May 1938: An oilfield of rotary derricks in the USA.
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The demise of fossil fuels
The HSBC
report's specific forecasts of global oil supply and demand,
which may or may not turn out to be accurate, are part of a
wider story of global net energy decline.
A new scientific
research paper authored by a team of European government
scientists, published on Cornell University's
Arxiv website
in October 2016, warns that the global economy
has entered a new era of slow and declining growth. This is
because the value of energy that can be produced from the
world's fossil fuel resource base is declining inexorably.
The paper –
currently under review with an academic journal – was authored
by Francesco Meneguzzo, Rosaria Ciriminna, Lorenzo Albanese,
Mario Pagliaro, who collectively conduct research on climate
change, energy, physics and materials science at the Italian
National Research Council (CNR) - Italy's premier government
agency for scientific research.
According to
HSBC, oil prices are likely to rise and stabilize for some time
around the $75 per barrel mark due to the longer term decline in
production relative to persistent demand. But the Italian
scientists find that this is still too high to avoid
destabilizing recessionary effects on the economy.
The Italian
study offers a new model combining "the competing dynamics of
population and economic growth with oil supply and price," with
a view to evaluate the near-term consequences for global
economic growth.
Data from the
past 40 years shows that during economic recessions, the oil
price tops $60 per barrel, but during economic growth remains
below $40 a barrel. This means that prices above $60 will
inevitably induce recession.
Therefore, the
scientists conclude that to avoid recession, "the oil price
should not exceed a threshold located somewhat between $40/b
[per barrel] and $50/b, or possibly even lower."
More broadly,
the scientists show that there is a direct correlation between
global population growth, economic growth and total energy
consumption. As the latter has steadily increased, it has
literally fueled the growth of global wealth.
But even so, the
paper finds that the world is experiencing:
" declining average EROIs [Energy Return on Investment]
for all fossil fuels; with the EROI of oil having likely
halved in the short course of the first 15 years of the 21st
century."
The sunset fades beyond the Hillhouse A, left, and Hillhouse
B oil and gas platforms near the Federal Ecological Reserve
in the Santa Barbara Channel near Santa Barbara, CA.
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EROI is
the total value of energy a resource can generate, calculated
by comparing the quantity of energy extracted, to the
quantity of energy put in to enable the extraction.
This means
that overall, despite total liquids production increasing, as
the energy value it generates is declining, the overall costs
of extraction are simultaneously increasing.
This is
acting as an increasing geophysical brake on global economic
growth. And it means the more the economy remains dependent
on fossil fuels, the more the economy is tied to the
recessionary impact of global net energy decline:
"The chance of future economic growth matching the
current trajectory of the human population is inextricably
bound to the wide and growing availability of highly
concentrated energy sources enjoying broad applicability
to energy end uses."
The
problem is that since the 1980s, the share of oil in the
global energy mix has declined. To make up for this, economic
growth has increasingly had to rely on clever financial
instruments based on debt: in effect, the world is borrowing
from the future to sustain our present consumption levels.
In an
interview, lead author Dr. Francesco Meneguzzo explained:
"Global conventional oil peaked around the year 2005.
All the following supply increase was due to
unconventional oil exploitation and, since 2009, basically
to US shale (tight) oil, which in turn peaked around
March, 2015.
What looks like to be even more important, anyway, is
the fact that global oil supply has failed to keep the
pace with the increase in total energy consumption, which
'natural' growth requires to be approximately proportional
to population increase, leading to the decline of the oil
share in the energy mix. While governments have struggled
to fuel their economies with ever increasing energy
supply, other sources have steadily replaced oil in the
energy mix, such as coal in China. Yet, no other
conventional source has proved to be a valuable substitute
for oil, hence the need for debt in order to replace the
vanishing oil share."
On a
business as usual trajectory, then, the economy can quite
literally never recover - unless it transitions to a truly
viable new energy source which can substitute for oil.
"In order to avoid the [oil] price affordable by the global
economy falling below the extraction cost, debt piling
(borrowing from the future) becomes a necessity, yet it is a
mere trick to gain some time while hoping for something
positive to happen," said Meneguzzo. "The reality is that
debt, basically as a substitute for oil, does not work to
produce real wealth, as apparent for example from the decline
of the industry value added as a percentage of GDP."
Where will
this end up?
"Recently, debt has started shrinking, basically
because it has failed to generate real wealth. Assuming no
meaningful (and fast) transition to renewable energy, the
economic growth can only deteriorate further and further."
Basically, this means, Meneguzzo adds, "delocalizing
manufacturing to economies using local, cheaper and dirtier
energy sources (such as coal in China) as well as lower
wages, further shrinking domestic aggregate demand and
fueling a downward spiral of deflation and/or debt."
Is there a
way out? Not within the current trajectory: "Unless that debt
is immediately used to exploit renewable sources on a massive
scale, along with 'accessories' such as storage making them
as qualified as oil, social and political derangements, even
before an economic crash, look to be unavoidable."
What an economic crash might look like.
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Crisis convergence
Seen in this
broader scientific context, the HSBC global oil supply report
provides quite stunning confirmation that for the most part,
global oil production is already in post-peak. That much is
incontrovertible, and derived from industry-validated data.
HSBC believes
that after 2018, this is going to manifest in not simply a
global supply shock, but a world in which cheap, high quality
fossil fuels is increasingly hard to find.
We don't need
to accept this forecast dogmatically - the post-peak oil
market, which HSBC confirms now exists, may function
differently than what anyone can easily forecast.
But if HSBC's
forecast is accurate, here's what it might mean. One possible
scenario is that by 2018 or shortly thereafter, the world
will face a similar convergence of global crises that
occurred a decade earlier.
In this
scenario, oil price hikes would have a recessionary affect
that destabilizes the
global debt bubble
, which for some years has been higher
than pre-2008 crash levels, now at a record $152 trillion.
In 2008, oil
price shocks played a key role in creating pre-crisis
economic conditions for consumers in which rising living
costs helped trigger debt-defaults in housing markets, which
rapidly spiraled out of control.
In or shortly
after 2018, economic and energy crisis convergence would
drive global food prices up, re-generating the contours of
the
triple crunch we saw ravage the world from 2008 to 2011
,
the debilitating impacts of which we have yet to recover
from.
2018 is
likely to be crunch year for another reason.
1 January 2018
is the date when a host of new regulations
are set to come in force, which will "constrain lending
ability and prompt banks to only advance money to the best
borrowers, which could accelerate bankruptcies worldwide,"
according to Bloomberg. Other rules to come in play will
require banks to stop using their own international risk
assessment measures for derivatives trading.
Ironically,
the introduction of similar well-intentioned regulation in
January 2008 (through Basel II) laid the groundwork to
rupture the global financial architecture, making it
vulnerable to that year's banking collapse.
In fact, two
years earlier in July 2006, Dr David Martin, an expert on
global finance,
presciently forecast
that Basel II would interact with
the debt bubble to convert a collapse of the housing bubble
into a global financial conflagration.
Just a month
after that prescient warning,
I was told
by a former senior Pentagon official with
wide-ranging high-level access to the US military,
intelligence and financial establishment that a global
banking collapse was imminent, and would likely occur in
2008.
My source
insisted that the event was bound up with the peak of global
conventional oil production about two years earlier (which
according to
the UK's former chief government scientist Sir David King
did indeed occur around 2005, even though unconventional oil
and gas production has offset the conventional decline so
far).
Having first
outlined
my warning of a 2008 global banking collapse in
August 2006, I re-articulated the warning in November 2007,
citing Dr. Martin's forecast and my own wider systems
analysis at a lecture at Imperial College, London. In that
lecture, I specifically predicted that a housing-triggered
banking crisis would be sparked in the context of the new era
of expensive fossil fuels.
I called
it then, and I'm calling it now.
Some time
after January 2018, we are seeing the probability of a new
crisis convergence in global energy, economic and food
systems, similar to what occurred in 2008.
In the end, I
might be wrong. The crash might not happen in exactly 2018.
It might happen later. Or it might be triggered by something
else, something unexpected, that the model outlined here
doesn't capture.
The point of
a forecast is not to be right - but to imagine a potential
scenario based on the data available that one can reasonably
prepare for; and to adjust the model accordingly in light of
new data.
Whether or
not a crash takes place in precisely the way suggested here,
what's clear from the new research is that the economy is
hugely vulnerable to a financial crisis for reasons that
conventional economists don't talk about - reasons relating
to the energy system on which the economy is fundamentally
dependent.
Today, we are
all supposed to quietly believe that the economy is in
'recovery', when in fact it is merely transitioning through a
fundamental global systemic phase-shift in which the
unsustainability of prevailing industrial structures are
being increasingly laid bare.
The truth is
that the cycles of protracted economic crisis are symptomatic
of a deeper global systemic process.
One way we
can brace ourselves for the next crash is to recognise it
broadly for what it is: a symptom of global system failure,
and therefore of the inevitable transition to a post-carbon,
post-capitalist future.
The future we
are stepping into simply doesn't work the way we are
accustomed to.
The old,
industrial era rules for the dying age of energy and
technological super-abundance must be re-written for a new
era beyond fossil fuels, beyond endless growth at any
environmental cost, beyond debt-driven finance.
This year, we
can prepare for the post-2018 resurgence of crisis
convergence by planting seeds - however small - for that
future in our own lives, and with those around us, from our
families, to our communities and wider societies.
"... A large part of the problem is, as is often repeated, "the cheap oil is gone". How are prices going to fall no matter how efficient things get ("work smart not hard" the project managers used to say when budgets got bust – complete cobblers) when you need to use 15000# Duplex piping instead of 600# mild steel, use latest generation (is it 5th now?) ultra deep water rigs which still only hit one in twenty exploration successes, have miles and miles of anchor cables and riser tubing instead of a short jacket etc. ..."
"... Looking at what Exxon is doing to make itself look good to investors, and then reading articles like this, I wonder if we are seeing the decline of the majors, but people aren't openly saying that yet. They keep hedging their bets by saying the oil business is cyclical, but we are talking about not only lower oil prices, but also declining reserves and higher production costs. ..."
"... The title should be "cost per barrel developed increase 66%". Adjusting for inflation we see that each dollar develops about 70% of the oil it did before. This is reasonable when we consider deep water developments don't have such good wells anymore, and that other areas are mostly limited to pounding increasingly poorer reservoirs or implementing EOR in known fields. ..."
"... Successful efforts accounting methods, as opposed to full cost, are preferred by the shale oil industry because, in my opinion, it helps distort the economic picture and makes them look better than they actually are. Hardly ever is lease acquisition costs (lease bonuses), land work, curative title work, geophysical or infrastructure costs (upstream to midstream gathering systems) used when quoting well costs to the public. This might help answer your question in the Permian: http://info.drillinginfo.com/permian-premium-are-high-prices-justified/ ..."
"... I would say in OKLA the EUR is much to low by a factor of 2-4 for a single horizon, in other words a ~100 acres can be expected to produce any where from 400,000 to 800,000 BO and can have 3 or more productive horizons each capable of those types of production numbers. So for example a ~100 acres can produce 1,500,000BO or more. ..."
"... "Several companies which were early adopters of enhanced completion techniques and have their acreage concentrated in sweet spots have seen significant declines of their IP30 values of new wells, indicating an exhaustion of their acreage. More recent adopters of enhanced completion methods, by limiting drilling to their best acreage, have seen a boost of IP30 of new wells since 2014 but will sooner or later face the same exhaustion problems." ..."
"... The oil and gas sector was particularly hammered in the three-month period, according to the report. The industry employed 3,640 fewer jobs compared to third quarter 2015, a 26 percent drop." ..."
This could probably go into the previous post about petroleum, but I will
put it here.
Oil Majors' Costs Have Risen 66% Since 2011 | OilPrice.com
: "According
to new research from Apex Consulting Ltd., the oil majors are still spending
more to develop a barrel of oil equivalent than they were before the
downturn in prices – in fact, much more. Apex put together a proprietary
index that measures cost pressure for the 'supermajors' – ExxonMobil, Royal
Dutch Shell, Chevron, Eni, Total and ConocoPhillips. Dubbed the
'Supermajors' Cost Index,' Apex concludes that the supermajors spent 66
percent more on development costs in 2015 than they did in 2011, despite the
widely-touted 'efficiency gains' implemented during the worst of the market
slump. It is important to note that this measures 'development costs,' and
not exploration or operational costs."
Interesting article and so was the Reuters one it referenced. One thing I
missed was a discussion of gas versus oil versus oil sands, I assume the
figures are for all combined, but it would be interesting to see how
things changed for each section (though probably the data is only
available internally to the companies or at a big cost from IHS or Rystad).
2011 was an era of mega projects though especially for some huge LNG
(many of which ran way over budget) and oil sands, and would also include
the cost overruns from the Kashagan debacle.
He concludes:
"In other words, the decline in costs post-2014 are, at least in part,
cyclical. Costs will rise again as activity picks up unless oil producers
work with their suppliers to address the underlying structural costs of
oil production."
But is that possible?
A large part of the problem is, as is often
repeated, "the cheap oil is gone". How are prices going to fall no matter
how efficient things get ("work smart not hard" the project managers used
to say when budgets got bust – complete cobblers) when you need to use
15000# Duplex piping instead of 600# mild steel, use latest generation
(is it 5th now?) ultra deep water rigs which still only hit one in twenty
exploration successes, have miles and miles of anchor cables and riser
tubing instead of a short jacket etc.
Looking at what Exxon is doing to make itself look good to
investors, and then reading articles like this, I wonder if we are
seeing the decline of the majors, but people aren't openly saying that
yet. They keep hedging their bets by saying the oil business is
cyclical, but we are talking about not only lower oil prices, but also
declining reserves and higher production costs.
Just as coal
has seen its best days come and go, I think that is happening with
oil, too, but there is a reluctance to call it.
The title should be "cost per barrel developed increase 66%".
Adjusting for inflation we see that each dollar develops about 70% of the
oil it did before. This is reasonable when we consider deep water
developments don't have such good wells anymore, and that other areas are
mostly limited to pounding increasingly poorer reservoirs or implementing
EOR in known fields.
For LTO it's interesting how EagleFord are piling on rigs (5 more this week)
and the permitting seems to have increased dramatically, whereas the Bakken
is steady to maybe slightly down, certainly for permitting at the moment. I
don't know where the difference for this is and I expected the opposite, but
it seems EIA knows something as their predicted flattening in the EFS
decline rate is looking pretty likely know, while Bakken is looking
increasingly weary, with only the outstanding DUCs as a big potential source
of new oil.
During the past 2 years, there has been a tremendous amount of great quality
work concerning the economics of onshore LTO production. Much of it has been
done by those who post here.
But, although I may have missed it, I still have a question that I do not
recall being discussed. Buried in each of these economic models, is there a
land resource cost?
For example what I would like to see separated out for each model is
information such as this (a hypothetical by me, for illustrative purposes
only): "The 60 Gb scenario assumes that each average onshore LTO well
utilizes 100 acres of oil resource; has an average EUR of 200,000 bbl of
oil; at an average leasehold cost of $10,000 per acre. So each average well
has an upfront leasehold cost of $1 million, and that cost is [or is not]
included in the cost per well shown.
However, let me be clear: if that information is not available, I am not
asking anyone to go get it. Just state that it is up to the reader to make
their own assumptions of what the leasehold cost is for an average onshore
LTO well. But, in that regard, it would be usefull to know how many acres
are being used for an average well.
Successful efforts accounting methods, as opposed to full cost, are
preferred by the shale oil industry because, in my opinion, it helps
distort the economic picture and makes them look better than they
actually are. Hardly ever is lease acquisition costs (lease bonuses),
land work, curative title work, geophysical or infrastructure costs
(upstream to midstream gathering systems) used when quoting well costs to
the public. This might help answer your question in the Permian:
http://info.drillinginfo.com/permian-premium-are-high-prices-justified/
"The 60 Gb scenario assumes that each average onshore LTO well
utilizes 100 acres of oil resource; has an average EUR of 200,000 bbl of
oil; at an average leasehold cost of $10,000 per acre."
I would say in OKLA the EUR is much to low by a factor of 2-4 for
a single horizon, in other words a ~100 acres can be expected to produce
any where from 400,000 to 800,000 BO and can have 3 or more productive
horizons each capable of those types of production numbers. So for
example a ~100 acres can produce 1,500,000BO or more.
Current density plots indicate 113 acre drainage will be achieved with
a 7500′ lateral with 660′ between wells. A 10,000′ lateral would be 151
acres. I can also say, because of government interference, "forced
pooling" the average leasehold cost is something under $2000 an acre.
Leasehold cost are usually added to the first producing well as part of
the "full cycle" cost and are a one time expense.
Any given unit may ultimately have 10-15 wells. Once the Unit is HBP
and the primary term of the leases have expired the full land cost will
have been expensed.
My oldest well LTO well in SCOOP has produced over 300,000 barrels of
liquids from approximately 51 acres.
Thanks TT! Since I live in OK, your information appears to be very
positive information for OK – which currently is in a poor economic
environment due to low oil [and gas] prices. However, based upon your
information, why, in your opinion, has this OK play not attracted
nearly as much "hype" as the Permian [or Baaken or Eagle Ford]? Is the
long-term potential [ultimate oil to be extracted from the entire
play] much less?
Good presentation by BTU Analytics. And it shows
that SCOOP and STACK are not a new Bakken, Eagle Ford or Permian
in terms of oil production potential.
In Texas and New Mexico, there is private fee land
and state land. New Mexico also has federal land ownership. Texas has very
little Federal ownership but there are Relinquishment Act Lands, University
Lands, and School Lands, and Stare Fee Lands which would have public records
available to review.
The state and federal agencies are mandated to seek competitive fair
market prices for land leased for oil and gas exploration. If one obtained
the lease sale results from the appropriate state and federal agencies for
each scheduled lease sale for the last ten years you might approximately
determine an average lease bonus by year that the oil and gas industry paid
for both private fee and state lands in an area.
This would not help with acreage acquired early in a play and then
flipped to a subsequent purchaser but I think it would be a reasonable
number to work with for example the Eagle Ford, Delaware Permian or New
Mexico Permian. Colorado, South Dakota, Oklahoma all contain a combination
of private and state or federal lands.
Bakken Oil Producers: IP30 And Well Decline Rate Trends Since 2014 | Seeking
Alpha
:
"Several companies which were early adopters of enhanced
completion techniques and have their acreage concentrated in sweet spots
have seen significant declines of their IP30 values of new wells, indicating
an exhaustion of their acreage. More recent adopters of enhanced completion
methods, by limiting drilling to their best acreage, have seen a boost of
IP30 of new wells since 2014 but will sooner or later face the same
exhaustion problems."
The oil and gas sector was particularly hammered in the three-month
period, according to the report. The industry employed 3,640 fewer jobs
compared to third quarter 2015, a 26 percent drop."
Unburnable Wealth of Nations - Finance & Development, March 2017
: "[Poor
countries] face three special challenges. First, they have a higher
proportion of their national wealth at risk than do wealthier countries and
on average more years of reserves than major oil and gas companies. Second,
they have limited ability to diversify their economies and sources of
government revenues-and it would take them longer to do so than countries
less dependent on fossil fuel deposits.
Last, economic and political
forces in many of these countries create pressure to invest in industries,
national companies, and projects based on fossil fuels-in essence doubling
down on the risk and exacerbating the ultimate consequences of a decline in
demand for their natural resources (see map)."
This article gives a good overview of what is happening in Colorado.
There
is activity, but it is unlikely Colorado will have any sort of boom, like
was talked about a few years ago.
Rebound predicted for Weld crude oil production | GreeleyTribune.com
:
"DJ Basin crude oil sells at a discount of $2 to $3 per barrel to benchmark
West Texas Intermediate oil from the Permian Basin. 'Companies here still
need prices to go a bit higher before we will see a significant increase in
activity,' she said."
This article came out on February 28. I don't think it's been posted here.
Cooking The Books? Saudi Aramco Could Be Overvalued By 500% | OilPrice.com
: "WoodMac
puts Aramco's true value closer to $400 billion, eighty percent less than the Saudi
estimate, and it arrived at the figure by considering future demand and the anticipated
average price of oil (on which profits will depend), as well as Saudi Aramco's status as a
state-run company.
WoodMac doesn't dispute the figure of 261 billion barrels lying under Saudi Arabia and
just offshore; that figure has been confirmed by independent sources. Where things get
complicated, though, is in the management and taxation of Saudi Aramco, which does not
release financial statements."
Seems right to me. As I posted a short while back, in my opinion, no rational investor,
today, would pay anything for production that might occur more than 20 years in the
future. Therefore, only about 88 million bbl of reserves is in play. And those produced
20 years out [risked] have neglible net present value.
Does anybody know which independant sources confirmed the 261 billion barrels lying
under Saudi Arabia? I was under the impression we were just taking their word for it.
Who signed off on confirming it?
Bingo. And VERY OMINOUS that a firm like WoodM would fall for the "independent audit"
story.
Those auditors did not do core drilling. They did no exploration drilling. They
took Aramco data, added it up (accountants add things up) and declared 261 billion
barrels of reserves.
This is such silliness.
There is also the issue of who paid for the audit.
Blast from the past. That is politics not economics and, clearly, as for Taylor, it comes down to the usual question:
are Republicans more stupid of more evil.
Notable quotes:
"... The thing that holds back businesses from deploying their stash of cash, is not "policy uncertainty" or "increased regulation". It is lack of demand. ..."
"... If the demand is there then the product/service will be produced. When demand is not there then the cash will sit idle or be used non-productively for things like stock buybacks or takeover of competitors. Any individual business owner who fail to meet demand (because of policy uncertainty or regulation) will simply give up market share to those of his/her competitors that chose not to be held back by those things. ..."
Here's the Jared Bernstein response to John Taylor that Roger Farmer is referring to:
Taylor v. Summers on Secular Stagnation: ... In a recent speech I've featured here in numerous
posts, Larry Summers raised the possibility that the economy is growing below its potential, with
all the ancillary problems that engenders (e.g., weak job and income growth), and not just in
recession, but in recovery. Stagnation is by definition expected in recession, but not in
an expansion...
Taylor argues, however, that secular stagnation is "hokem." His argument rest on two points,
both of which seem obviously wrong.
First, he claims that the current recovery has been weak is not due to any underlying problems
in the private sector or lousy fiscal policy, but due to "policy uncertainty, increased regulation,
including through the Dodd Frank and Affordable Care Act." But the recovery began in the
second half of 2009, well before either of those measures took effect. And, in fact, since
they've done so, if anything, growth and jobs have accelerated. Financial markets have done
particularly well...
Taylor's antipathy toward fiscal stimulus leads him to completely omit the fact of austerity in
the form of fiscal drag as a factor in the weak recovery. ...
His second argument is that if secular stagnation were a real problem, we would have seen it in
the 2000s expansion, yet instead we saw "boom-like conditions, especially in residential investment."
...
Yes, there was a lot-too much-residential investment, but employment growth was terribly weak...,the
share of the population employed actually declined. Real GDP grew almost a point more slowly
per year over the 2000s business cycle relative to the prior two cycles. Business investment
grew less than half as fast in the 2000s than it did in the 1990s. In fact, after rising
pretty steeply in the 1990s, CBO's estimate of potential GDP fell sharply in the 2000s..., a serious
cost of the problem Summers is raising and Taylor is wrongly debunking.
It's also worth noting that middle-class incomes and poverty rates did much better in the 1990s,
thanks to full employment conditions in the latter half of that cycle, than in the 2000s, when
slack labor markets led to a flattening trend in real median income and increasing poverty rates.
I doubt any of this will convince Taylor and others who simply want to go after the ACA, the Fed,
stimulus measures, et al. But those of us interested in blazing the path back to full employment
should recognize these arguments as politically motivated distractions. ...
The thing that holds back businesses from deploying their stash of cash, is not "policy uncertainty"
or "increased regulation". It is lack of demand.
If the demand is there then the product/service will be produced. When demand is not there
then the cash will sit idle or be used non-productively for things like stock buybacks or takeover
of competitors. Any individual business owner who fail to meet demand (because of policy uncertainty
or regulation) will simply give up market share to those of his/her competitors that chose not
to be held back by those things.
DeDude -> Matt Young...
I am actually not talking about GDP. The issue is why do businesses not hire more people. The
explanation that right wing fools and smart business people love to give is that it's because
of regulations and policies that they don't like. However, as pointed out over on "calculated
risk" they always complain about regulations and there is no correlation between their complaining
(or not) and their actual hire of new employees. The only thing that determine whether a business
will hire more people is whether the demand for its products/services is in excess of what can
be delivered by its current workforce. And they will respond to such demand regardless of cumbersome
regulations - or they will lose market share to competitors that are more than happy to fill the
demand.
Fred C. Dobbs:
(Found out on the web.)
Definition of the term secular stagnation theory is presented. It refers to the protracted economic
depression characterized by a falling population growth, low aggregate demand and a tendency to
save rather than invest.
$200bn in debt looms over American oil and gas Published time: 7 Jan, 2015 17:44 Edited
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"... " the U.S. debt remains , as it has been since 1790, a war debt : the United States continues to spend more on its military than do all other nations on earth put together, and military expenditures are not only the basis of the government's industrial policy; they also take up such a huge proportion of the budget that by many estimations, were it not for them, the United States would not run a deficit at all ..."
"... One element, however, tends to go flagrantly missing in even the most vivid conspiracy theories about the banking system , let alone in official accounts: that is, the role of military power . ..."
"... Karl Marx wrote Das Capital in an attempt to demonstrate that, even if we start from the economists' utopian vision, so long as we also allow some people to control productive capital, and, again, leave others with nothing to sell but but their brains and bodies, the results will be in very many ways barely distinguishable from slavery, and the whole system will eventually destroy itself . ~ David Graeber ..."
" the U.S. debt remains , as it has been since 1790, a war debt : the United States continues
to spend more on its military than do all other nations on earth put together, and military
expenditures are not only the basis of the government's industrial policy; they also take up
such a huge proportion of the budget that by many estimations, were it not for them, the United
States would not run a deficit at all
The essence of U.S. military predominance in the world is, ultimately, the fact that it
can, at will, drop bombs, with only a few hours' notice, at absolutely any point on the surface
of the planet
In fact, a case could well be made that it is this very power that holds the entire world monetary
system, organized around the dollar, together
One element, however, tends to go flagrantly missing in even the most vivid conspiracy theories
about the banking system , let alone in official accounts: that is, the role of military power
. There's a reason why the wizard has such a strange capacity to create money out of nothing.
Behind him there is a man with a gun
Karl Marx wrote Das Capital in an attempt to demonstrate that, even if we start from the
economists' utopian vision, so long as we also allow some people to control productive capital,
and, again, leave others with nothing to sell but but their brains and bodies, the results
will be in very many ways barely distinguishable from slavery, and the whole system will eventually
destroy itself . ~ David Graeber
Nobody uses AA batteries as a prime mover. People
buy the batteries for their convenience.
The next question is 'what is pay'?
Money is just a promise to borrow again later.
That (empty) promise cannot put oil in the ground,
in fact, nothing can. If the amount of work needed
to lift oil is greater than the work that can be
done with the oil the enterprise breaks down. At
present the money system is unraveling due to the
need for borrowings that are greater than what any
number of promises can deliver. There is not enough
borrowing and the oil remains in the ground because
it is unaffordable.
Basically, this is what Exxon said in not so many
words the other day when it wrote off 15% of its
reserves.
"If the amount of work needed to lift oil is greater than the work
that can be done with the oil the enterprise breaks down."
~steve from virginia
Steve is absolutely correct on this.
If the mass (oil and water) and heat removed from a control
volume (oil reservoir) are known, then the Entropy Rate Balance
Equation For Control Volumes can be used to calculate the exact
amount of energy expended in the process. Simple. This is the
Energy Invested (EI) part of the ERoEI of oil.
The chemical energy of the oil, released through it's
combustion, is the Energy Returned (ER).
It is pretty obvious that most people here simply don't
understand even the most basic concepts of physics, or the Etp
model, at all. The article by SK is total gibberish. Amazing.
Out of interest what do you think about the spanish article
linked in the first comment above, also by a highly qualified
and experienced academic who specialises in thermodynamics?
"... We should adopt appropriate fiscal policies that provide for expansionary investment. ..."
"... sanjait repeats the old canard that a rising tide lifts all boats. What the experience of the last 40 years shows is that a rising tide lifts the yachts while small boats gradually sink. ..."
You are reading this because of the long, steady decline in nominal
and real interest rates on all kinds of safe investments, such as
US Treasury securities. The decline has created a world in which,
as economist Alvin Hansen put it when he saw a similar situation in
1938, we see "sick recoveries die in their infancy and
depressions feed on themselves and leave a hard and seemingly
immovable core of unemployment " In other words, a world of secular
stagnation. Harvard Professor Kenneth Rogoff thinks this is a
passing phase-that nobody will talk about secular stagnation in
nine years. Perhaps. But the balance of probabilities is the other
way. Financial markets do not expect this problem to go away for at
least a generation.
Eight reinforcing factors have driven and continue to drive this
long-term reduction in safe interest rates:...
The natural response to this secular stagnation is for governments
to adopt much more expansionary tax and spending (fiscal) policies.
When interest rates are low and expected to remain low, all kinds
of government investments-from bridges to basic research-become
extraordinarily attractive in benefit-cost terms, and government
debt levels should rise to take advantage of low borrowing costs
and provide investors the safe saving vehicles (government bonds)
they value. ..
Critics of Summers's secular stagnation thesis miss the point. Each
seems to focus on one of the eight factors driving the decline in
interest rates and then say that factor either will end soon or is
healthy for some contrarian reason.
Since the turn of the century, the North Atlantic economies have
lost a decade of what we used to think of as normal economic
growth, with secular stagnation the major contributor. Only if we
do something about it is it likely that in nine years we will no
longer be talking about secular stagnation.
John Taylor provides a couterargument (I chose to highlight one
over the other based upon my agreement with the arguments):
"These shifts are closely related to changes in
economic policy-mainly supply-side or structural policies:
in other words, those that raise the economy's productive
potential and its ability to produce. During the 1980s and
1990s, tax reform, regulatory reform, monetary reform, and
budget reform proved successful at boosting productivity
growth in the United States. In contrast, the stagnation
of the 1970s and recent years is associated with a
departure from tax reform principles, such as low marginal
tax rates with a broad base, and with increased
regulations, as well as with erratic fiscal and monetary
policy. During the past 50 years, structural policy and
economic performance have swung back and forth together in
a marked policy-performance cycle."
This is just incorrect. Pure propaganda. The social
democratic post war years so better productivity than the
post-Reagan neoliberal years. (*Middle finger* @ yuan)
During the neoliberal years, productivity growth has
been associated with ponzi bubbles like the dot.com tech
stock bubble and epic housing bubble. And then it goes
away after the bubble pops. Unsustainable. Accounting
tricks.
You think productivity growth in high aggregate growth
years is "accounting tricks"?
I think you *want* to
believe that because "grr neoliberals".
But I think if you sat and thought about it for a few
minutes, you could recognize that high growth causes
improved productivity in the medium term, and if you sat
and looked at sector-specific productivity data, you'd see
the hypothesis that aggregate productivity was cause by
accounting tricks in single sector bubbles makes no sense
at all.
To me the question is
fairly simple, though it seems economists often treat it
as complex and mysterious.
Simply, when the economy is good, workers are thriving
and climbing the ladder, and companies are investing in
efficiency and capacity. Those factors both should lead to
higher productivity in the short and long term. A weak
economy has the converse effect.
sanjait repeats the old canard that a rising tide
lifts all boats. What the experience of the last 40 years
shows is that a rising tide lifts the yachts while small
boats gradually sink.
The fruits of productivity
growth went mostly to the top 1%.
The Bush boom? You are dumber that Jerry FuzzCharts
Bowyer.
Peter K. :
, -1
DeLong and other progressive soft neoliberals promote
fiscal expansion but then there are some asterisks. Better
monetary or trade policy would help as well.
One
asterisk is that politically they supported establishment
Democrat Hillary along with PGL and many others. Her
monetary and trade policy wouldn't have done much to push
against the SecStags.
Her fiscal policy was such that Alan Blinder admitted
it wouldn't effect the Fed's reaction function. If the Fed
wanted to keep giving us slow growth and lame recoveries
they would.
DeLong: "Since the turn of the century, the North
Atlantic economies have lost a decade of what we used to
think of as normal economic growth, with secular
stagnation the major contributor."
Another asterisk is that when Trump provides fiscal
expansion and a possibility of a quicker normalization of
rates, Krugman and PGL point to how Reagan and Volcker
raised rates which deindustrialized America via currency
rates and trade policy.
Another asterisk is if Hillary had provided strong
fiscal action, the Fed would have raised rates more
quickly and drawn capital away from Europe and Japan which
are still engaged in QE for their weak economies.
So the export sector would have shrunk and the DeLongs
would have called for a stronger safety net like they did
in the 90s while Bill Clinton did welfare reform.
"U.S. oil exporters set a new record last week: shipments leaving the country averaged 1.2
million barrels of crude per day, roughly double the levels seen at the end of last year.
Analysts told Bloomberg that the rising American exports are driven in large part by falling
domestic prices. West Texas Intermediate futures (the domestic benchmark) are trading below the
international Brent standard by $2 per barrel or more, and are now cheaper than some Middle Eastern
grades of lesser quality. This makes American crude more attractive to Asian buyers.
There is also an incentive for traders to sell their oil abroad: U.S. storage is costly. If
the price of crude is not expected to rise, brokers have no incentive to hang on to their supply
and pay rent on a tank to put it in."...
You are just regular incompetent chichenhawk. And it shows. Try to read something about US oil
industry before positing. It is actually a very fascinating topic. That's where the battle for
survival of neoliberalism in the USA (with its rampant militarism and impoverishment of lower
50% of population) is now fought.
If you list also domestic consumption, you will understand that you are completely misunderstanding
and misrepresenting the situation. The USA is a huge oil importer (Net Imports: 6.075 Mbbl; see
ilsm post), not an exporter. You can consider it to be exported only after drinking something
really strong.
It refines and re-export refined products and also export condensate and shale light oil that
is used for dilution of heavy oils in Canada and Latin America. That's it.
US shale can't be profitable below, say, $65 per barrel (so called "break-even" price for well
started in 2009-2016), and if interest on already existing loans (all shale industry is deeply
in debt; ) and minimum profitability (2.5%) is factored in, probably $77.
That's why production is declining and will decline further is prices stay low because there
is only fixed amount of "sweet spots" which can produce oil profitably at lower prices. In 2017
they are mostly gone, so what's left is not so attractive at the current prices. And this is an
understatement.
The same is true to Canadian sands. Plans for expansion are now revised down and investments
postponed.
So in order to sustain the US shale industry prices need to grow at least over $65 this year
And those war-crazy militarists from Obama administration essentially continued Bush II policies
and wasted money in Middle East, Afghanistan and Ukraine, instead of facilitating conversion of
passenger cards to hybrids (and electrical for short commutes).
The US as a country waisted its time and now is completely unprepared for down of oil age.
The net result of Obama policies is that SUVs became that most popular type of passenger cars
in the USA. That can be called Iran revenge on the USA.
The conflict between Donald Trump and the US Deep State can be explained that deep state can't
allow Trump détente with Russia and stopping wars on neoliberal expansion at Middle East. That's
why they torpedoed General Flynn. It is not about Flynn, it was about Trump. To show him who is
the boss and warn "You can be fired".
Due to "overconsumption" of oil inherent in neoliberalism with its crazy goods flows that might
cross the ocean several times before getting to customer, US neoliberal empire (and neoliberalism
as social system) can well go off the cliff when cheap oil is gone.
The only question is when it happens and estimates vary from 10 to 50 years.
So in the best case neoliberalism might be able to outlive Bolshevism which lasted 74 years
(1917-1991) by only something like 15 years.
By Arthur MacEwan. Originally published at
Triple Crisis
The Issue Revisited
Around the time that the United States invaded Iraq, 14 years ago, I was in an auditorium at the
University of Massachusetts Boston to hear then-Senator John Kerry try to justify the action. As
he got into his speech, a loud, slow, calm voice came from the back of the room: "O – I – L." Kerry
tried to ignore the comment. But, again and again, "O – I – L." Kerry simply went on with his prepared
speech. The speaker from the back of the room did not continue long, but he had succeeded in determining
the tenor of the day.
Looking back on U.S. involvement in the Iraq, it appears to have been largely a failure. Iraq,
it turned out, had no "weapons of mass destruction," but this original rationalization for invasion
offered by the U.S. government was soon replaced by the goal of "regime change" and the creation
of a "democratic Iraq." The regime was changed, and Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussain was captured and
executed. But it would be very had to claim that a democratic Iraq either exists or is in the making-to
say nothing of the rise of the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) and the general destabilization in
the Middle East, both of which the U.S. invasion of Iraq helped propel.
Yet, perhaps on another scale, the invasion would register as at least a partial success. This
is the scale of O – I – L
The Profits from Oil
At the time of the U.S. invasion, I wrote an article for Dollars & Sense titled "Is It
Oil?" (available online
here
). I argued that, while the invasion may have had multiple motives, oil-or more precisely, profit
from oil-was an important factor. Iraq, then and now, has huge proven oil reserves, not in the same
league as Saudi Arabia, but in group of oil producing countries just behind the Saudis. It might
appear, then, that the United States wanted access to Iraqi oil in order to meet the needs of our
highly oil-dependent lifestyles in this country. After all, the United States today, with just over
4% of the world's population, accounts for 20% of the world's annual oil use; China, with around
20% of the world's population is a distant second in global oil use, at 13%. Even after opening new
reserves in recent years, U.S. proven reserves amount to only 3% of the world total.
Except in extreme circumstances, however, access to oil is not a major problem for this county.
And it was not in 2003. As I pointed out back then, the United States bought 284 million barrels
of oil from Iraq in 2001, about 7% of U.S. imports, even while the two countries were in a virtual
state of war. In 2015, only 30% as much oil came to the United States from Iraq, amounting to just
2.4% of total U.S. oil imports. Further, in 2015, while the United States has had extremely hostile
relations with Venezuela, 24% of U.S. oil imports came from that country's nationalized oil industry.
It would seem that, in the realm of commerce, bad political relations between buyers and sellers
are not necessarily an obstacle.
For the U.S. government, the Iraq oil problem was not so much access, in the sense of meeting
U.S. oil needs, as the fact that U.S. firms had been frozen out of Iraq since the country's oil industry
was nationalized in 1972. They and the other oil "majors" based in U.S.-allied countries were not
getting a share of the profits that were generated from the exploitation of Iraqi oil. Profits from
oil exploitation come not only to the oil companies-ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, British Petroleum,
and the other industry "majors"-but also to the companies that supply and operate equipment, drill
wells, and provide other services that bring the oil out of the ground and to consumers around the
world-for example, the U.S. firms Halliburton, Emerson, Baker Hughes, and others. They were also
not getting a share of the Iraqi oil action. (Actually, when vice president to be Dick Cheney was
running Halliburton, in the period before the invasion, the company managed to undertake some operations
in Iraq through a subsidiary, in spite of federal restrictions preventing U.S. firms from doing business
in Iraq.)
After the Troops
In the aftermath of the invasion and since most U.S. troops have been withdrawn, things have changed.
"Prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, U.S. and other western oil companies were all
but completely shut out of Iraq's oil market," oil industry analyst Antonia Juhasz told Al Jazeera
in 2012. "But thanks to the invasion and occupation, the companies are now back inside Iraq and producing
oil there for the first time since being forced out of the country in 1973."
From the perspective of U.S. firms the picture is mixed. Firms based in Russia and China have
developed operations in Iraq, and even an Indonesian-based firm is involved. Still, ExxonMobil (see
box) has established a significant stake in Iraq, having obtained leases on approximately 900,000
onshore acres and by the end of 2013 had developed several wells in Iraq's West Qurna field. Exxon
also has agreements with the Kurdistan Regional Government in northern Iraq to explore for oil. Chevron
holds an 80% stake and is the operator of the Qara Dagh block in the Kurdistan region of Iraq, but
as of mid-2014 the project was still in the exploratory phase and there was no production. No other
U.S. oil companies have developed operations in Iraq. The UK-headquartered BP (formerly British Petroleum)
and the Netherlands-headquartered Shell, however, are also significantly engaged in Iraq.
While data are limited on the operations of U.S. and other oil service firms in Iraq, they seem
to have done well. For example, according to a 2011 New York Times article:
The oil services companies Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International [founded in Texas,
now incorporated in Switzerland] and Schlumberger [based in France] already won lucrative drilling
subcontracts and are likely to bid on many more. "Iraq is a huge opportunity for contractors," Alex
Munton, a Middle East analyst for Wood Mackenzie, a research and consulting firm based in Edinburgh,
said by telephone. "There will be an enormous scale of investment."
The Right to Access
While U.S. oil companies and oil service firms-as well as firms from other countries-are engaged
in Iraq, they and their U.S. government supporters have not gained the full legal rights they would
desire. In 2007, the U.S. government pressed the Iraqi government to pass the "Iraq Hydrocarbons
Law." The law would, among other things, take the majority of Iraqi oil out of the hands of the Iraqi
government and assure the right of foreign firms to control much of the oil for decades to come.
The law, however, has never been enacted, first due to general opposition to a reversal the 1972
nationalization of the industry, and recently due to continuing disputes between the government in
Baghdad and the government of the Kurdistan Region in northern Iraq.
U.S. foreign policy, as I elaborated in the 2003 article, has long been designed not simply to
protect U.S.-based firms in their international operations, but to establish the right of the firms
to access and security wherever around the world. Oil firms have been especially important in promoting
and gaining from this right, but firms from finance to pharmaceuticals and many others have been
beneficiaries and promoters of the policy.
Whatever else, as the Iraq and Middle East experience has demonstrated, this right comes at a
high cost. The best estimate of the financial cost to the United States of the war in Iraq is $3
trillion. Between the 2003 invasion and early 2017, U.S. military forces suffered 4,505 fatalities
in the war, and allied forces another 321. And, of course, most of all Iraqi deaths: estimates of
the number of Iraqis killed range between 200,000 and 500,000.
Basically the US seems to have invaded for the enrichment of the multinational corporations
at the expense of the rest of the world. Americans will pay a monetary price, but worse many have
died and many more have lost their lives.
Even if it had gone to plan, the average American would not have benefited. They would have
paid the costs for war. Let us face the reality. There was no noble intent in invading Iraq. It
was all a lie.
The ridiculousness of Paul Wolfowitz and his claim that invading Iraq could be paid for through
its oil revenue has become apparent. It has destroyed the stability of the area. We should nor
idealize Saddam, who was a horrible dictator, but the idea that the US is going to be able to
invade and impose its will was foolish.
There was never any need to invade Iraq. If oil was the goal, Washington DC could easily have
lifted the sanctions around Iraq. I doubt that the neoconservatives believed that Saddam was developing
nuclear weapons of destruction or had anything to do with the 9-11-2001 attacks, which is why
they claimed they invaded.
If this madness does not stop, it will do much more damage, and like the Soviet Union, bankrupt
the US.
Great overview of the real tragedy of Iraq-US companies having to share the spoils.
It reminds me of Russia: the US seethes because Putin is the one looting the country and not
them.
Back in the 90s President Clinton issued countless demands to Yeltsin about oil pipelines and
output increases, showing great impatience when the Russians dared to suggest environmental impact
studies. (See the linked UPI article.) If only Putin would have let us frack the Kremlin he'd
be our best friend!
"Noble Energy has sanctioned the first phase of the Leviathan natural gas project offshore Israel,
with first gas targeted for the end of 2019.
Noble Energy is the operator of the Leviathan Field, which contains 22 trillion cubic feet (Tcf)
of gross recoverable natural gas resources.
The announcement was hailed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has played a key
role in negotiations with Noble. Netanyahu says the discovery of large reserves will bring energy
self-sufficiency and billions of dollars in tax revenues, reports The Times of Israel, but critics
say the deal gave excessively favorable terms to the government's corporate partners...
Production will be gathered at the field and delivered via two 73-mile flowlines to a fixed platform,
with full processing capabilities, located approximately six miles offshore."...
"U.S. oil exporters set a new record last week: shipments leaving the country averaged 1.2
million barrels of crude per day, roughly double the levels seen at the end of last year.
Analysts told Bloomberg that the rising American exports are driven in large part by falling
domestic prices. West Texas Intermediate futures (the domestic benchmark) are trading below
the international Brent standard by $2 per barrel or more, and are now cheaper than some Middle
Eastern grades of lesser quality. This makes American crude more attractive to Asian buyers.
There is also an incentive for traders to sell their oil abroad: U.S. storage is costly.
If the price of crude is not expected to rise, brokers have no incentive to hang on to their
supply and pay rent on a tank to put it in."...
You are just regular incompetent
chichenhawk. And it shows. Try to read something about US oil industry before positing. It
is actually a very fascinating topic. That's where the battle for survival of neoliberalism
in the USA (with its rampant militarism and impoverishment of lower 50% of population) is now
fought.
If you list also domestic consumption, you will understand that you are completely misunderstanding
and misrepresenting the situation. The USA is a huge oil importer (Net Imports: 6.075 Mbbl;
see ilsm post), not an exporter. You can consider it to be exported only after drinking something
really strong.
It refines and re-export refined products and also export condensate and shale light oil
that is used for dilution of heavy oils in Canada and Latin America. That's it.
US shale can't be profitable below, say, $65 per barrel (so called "break-even" price for
well started in 2009-2016), and if interest on already existing loans (all shale industry is
deeply in debt; ) and minimum profitability (2.5% is factored in, probably $77.
That's why production is declining and will decline further is prices stay low because there
is only fixed amount of "sweet spots" which can produce oil profitably at lower prices. In
2017 they are mostly gone, so what's left is not so attractive at the current prices. And this
is an understatement.
The same is true to Canadian sands. Plans for expansion are now revised down and investments
postponed.
So in order to sustain the US shale industry prices need to grow at least over $65 this
year
And those war-crazy militarists from Obama administration essentially continued Bush II
policies and wasted money in Middle East, Afghanistan and Ukraine, instead of facilitating
conversion of passenger cards to hybrids (and electrical for short commutes).
The US as a country wasted its time and now is completely unprepared for down of oil age.
The net result of Obama policies is that SUVs became that most popular type of passenger
cars in the USA. That can be called Iran revenge on the USA.
The conflict between Donald Trump and the US Deep State can be explained that deep state
can't allow Trump détente with Russia and stopping wars on neoliberal expansion at Middle East.
That's why they torpedoed General Flynn. It is not about Flynn, it was about Trump. To show
him who is the boss and warn "You can be fired".
Due to "overconsumption" of oil inherent in neoliberalism with its crazy goods flows that
might cross the ocean several times before getting to customer, US neoliberal empire (and neoliberalism
as social system) can well go off the cliff when cheap oil is gone.
The only question is when it happens and estimates vary from 10 to 50 years.
So in the best case neoliberalism might be able to outlive Bolshevism which lasted 74 years
(1917-1991) by only something like 15 years.
...In it, Krugman attempts to account for the no-growth economy by marshaling
the stock-in-trade legerdemain of academic economics: productivity,
demographics, and labor metrics. Krugman actually knows zip about what afflicts
us in the present disposition of things, namely the falling
energy-return-on-energy-investment in the oil industry, which is approaching
the point where the immense activity of getting oil out of the ground won't be
worth the cost and trouble of doing it. And since most of the things we do and
produce in this economy are based on cheap oil - with no reality-based prospect
of replacing it with so-called "renewables" or as yet undiscovered energy
rescue remedies - we can't generate enough wealth to maintain anything close to
our assumed standard of living. We can't even generate enough wealth to pay the
interest on the debt we've racked up in order to hide our growing energy
predicament. And that, in a nutshell, is what will blow up the financial
system. And when that department of the economy goes, the rest will follow.
... ... ...
So, on one side you have Trump and his trumpets and trumpistas heralding the
return of "greatness" (i.e. a booming industrial economy of happy men with
lunchboxes) which is not going to happen; and on the other side you have a
claque of clueless technocrats who actually believe they can "solve" the
productivity problem with measures that really only boil down to different
kinds of accounting fraud.
You also have an American public, and a mass media, who do not question the
premise of a massive "infrastructure" spending project to re-boot the
foundering economy. If you ask what they mean by that, you will learn that they
uniformly see rebuilding our highways, bridges, tunnels, and airports. Some
rightly suspect that the money for that is not there - or can only be summoned
with more accounting fraud (borrowing from our future). But on the whole, most
adults of all political stripes in this country think we can and should do
this, that it would be
a good thing
.
And what is this infrastructure re-boot in the service of? A living
arrangement with no future. A matrix of extreme car dependency that has zero
chance of continuing another decade. More WalMarts, Target stores, Taco Bells,
muffler shops, McHousing subdivisions, and other accoutrement of our fast-zombifying
mode of existence? Isn't it obvious, even if you never heard of, or don't
understand, the oil quandary, that we have shot our wad with all this? That we
have to start down a different path if we intend to remain human?
It's not hard to describe that waiting world, which I've done in a bunch of
recent books. We're going there whether we like it or not. But we can make the
journey to it easier or harsher depending on how much we drag our heels getting
on with the job.
History is pretty unforgiving. Right now, the dynamic I describe is
propelling us toward a difficult reckoning, which is very likely to manifest
this spring as the political ineptitude of Trump, and the antipathy of his
enemies, leaves us in a constitutional maelstrom at the very moment when the
financial system comes unglued. Look for the debt ceiling debate and another
Federal Reserve interest rate hike to set off the latter. There may be yet
another converging layer of tribulation when we start blaming all our problems
on Russia, China, Mexico, or some other patsy nation. It's already obvious that
we can depend on the Deep State to rev that up.
== quote ==
...In it, Krugman attempts to account for the no-growth
economy by marshaling the stock-in-trade legerdemain of
academic economics: productivity, demographics, and labor
metrics. Krugman actually knows zip about what afflicts us
in the present disposition of things, namely the falling
energy-return-on-energy-investment in the oil industry,
which is approaching the point where the immense activity
of getting oil out of the ground won't be worth the cost
and trouble of doing it. And since most of the things we
do and produce in this economy are based on cheap oil -
with no reality-based prospect of replacing it with
so-called "renewables" or as yet undiscovered energy
rescue remedies - we can't generate enough wealth to
maintain anything close to our assumed standard of living.
We can't even generate enough wealth to pay the interest
on the debt we've racked up in order to hide our growing
energy predicament. And that, in a nutshell, is what will
blow up the financial system. And when that department of
the economy goes, the rest will follow.
... ... ...
So, on one side you have Trump and his trumpets and
trumpistas heralding the return of "greatness" (i.e. a
booming industrial economy of happy men with lunchboxes)
which is not going to happen; and on the other side you
have a claque of clueless technocrats who actually believe
they can "solve" the productivity problem with measures
that really only boil down to different kinds of
accounting fraud.
You also have an American public, and a mass media, who do
not question the premise of a massive "infrastructure"
spending project to re-boot the foundering economy. If you
ask what they mean by that, you will learn that they
uniformly see rebuilding our highways, bridges, tunnels,
and airports. Some rightly suspect that the money for that
is not there - or can only be summoned with more
accounting fraud (borrowing from our future). But on the
whole, most adults of all political stripes in this
country think we can and should do this, that it would be
a good thing.
And what is this infrastructure re-boot in the service
of? A living arrangement with no future. A matrix of
extreme car dependency that has zero chance of continuing
another decade. More WalMarts, Target stores, Taco Bells,
muffler shops, McHousing subdivisions, and other
accoutrement of our fast-zombifying mode of existence?
Isn't it obvious, even if you never heard of, or don't
understand, the oil quandary, that we have shot our wad
with all this? That we have to start down a different path
if we intend to remain human?
It's not hard to describe that waiting world, which
I've done in a bunch of recent books. We're going there
whether we like it or not. But we can make the journey to
it easier or harsher depending on how much we drag our
heels getting on with the job.
History is pretty unforgiving. Right now, the dynamic I
describe is propelling us toward a difficult reckoning,
which is very likely to manifest this spring as the
political ineptitude of Trump, and the antipathy of his
enemies, leaves us in a constitutional maelstrom at the
very moment when the financial system comes unglued. Look
for the debt ceiling debate and another Federal Reserve
interest rate hike to set off the latter. There may be yet
another converging layer of tribulation when we start
blaming all our problems on Russia, China, Mexico, or some
other patsy nation. It's already obvious that we can
depend on the Deep State to rev that up.
A big contributor to the legacy oil decline is the unrelenting physics of fluid
phase behavior, with gas becoming more prevalent in the production stream.
Statewide GOR increased from 1200 to 1500:1 cuft/bo in 2015. The legacy wells
will be worse (i.e. the newer wells dampen the effect, which have an initial
GOR of ~ 1000:1). For reference, generally a GOR> 2000:1 is considered a "gas"
well or field.
Most of these LTO fields will eventually be abandoned as gas fields.
note – I tried to post a *.png graph, but the reply tool failed.
I missed to take into account the number of days in the month for
total producing days in my last post. I wanted to investigate this more.
So I did a bit of programing and adjusted each individual well for the
number of days it was in production in December to see what the
production would have been if it produced as many days as it did in
November (adjusted for number of days in that month). I looked at wells
that started production in 2014 and wells that started production in
2010. In short, both groups looked very similar and it turned out that
about 86% of the increase in decline rate, for both 2014 and 2010, were
because of fewer producing days and the rest for other reasons. However
there is more to it than that. First of all, adjusted for number of
producing days, the decline rate should stay the same or decrease a
little every month, not increase. Secondly wells that are of the same age
as the 2014 wells have historically had a monthly decline rate of around
3%. The decline rate in November (days adjusted) was 6,9% and in December
8,1. For the 2010 wells, monthly decline rates should have been around
1,5% but were 5,6% in November and 6,9% in December. So the decline rates
are currently very very high. The huge drop in December could not have
been that huge if the underlying decline rates would not have been that
large.
I think the decline in GOR has something to do with it. If the reason
for the increase in decline rates are that they are choking the wells,
then I expect these high decline rates to be rather temporary, because I
would guess that they adjust the choke only once per well. It may take
some time to adjust all wells they have planned to adjust, but when that
is done then decline rates should normalize. So if that is the reason
then maybe it will take a few months to normalize. If the decline rates
are still very high in a few months, then it doesn´t look good for
Bakken..
I found a bug in my code. For 2014 about 100% of the increase in
decline rates from November to December was because of fewer
production days and decline rate in November was 6,43% and December
6,35% (a bit conservative). For 2010 the numbers are 86%, 4,16% and
5,16%. So lower underlying decline rates, but still very high. Sorry
about that.
Is the 2000 GOR a North Dakota convention? There's no reservoir engineering
reason to designate a depleted well as a gas well when GOR increases to 2000
scf/bo. Depleted oil wells under depletion drive do experience very high
GORs, but they remain oil wells.
My recall is there's a regulation in Texas that classifies liquids from a
gas well as condensate vs oil from an oil well. Almost certainly has some
tax consequence.
Can any of you professional fellows explain the upsurge in "Legacy Oil Well"
production shown in the monthly EIA Drilling Productivity Reports? The major
fields, except. Permian, show that the legacy wells are rising after having
been on seemingly steady downslopes for the years leading up to about early
2015. Are they reworking old wells? What's the industry practice that has
reversed the declines.
The legacy well production graph represents the monthly expected change
in production.
In the example you referenced monthly legacy decline was
about 140,000 bopd at the beginning of 2015. This legacy decline
represents the decline of wells producing in the prior month. This
decline was large because there were many recently drilled legacy wells,
and the recently drilled wells decline more than wells which have
produced for a longer period.
By the beginning of 2017 the legacy decline had decreased to about
80,000 bopd per month because there hadn't been as many wells drilled
recently.
Some of y'all are newishcomers and cannot remember how very many times monthly
production reports would report completely inconsistent with new completions
totals and weather and more or less 15 gazillion other factors we'd throw in.
Point being, don't think you have why the big recent increase or why this big
decrease understood. Your odds on this are poor.
Reminder from last thread:. That Enno chart color coded by year - look at
how shallow the post Peak descent slope 2010, 2011, 2012 is vs 2014. Damn near
vertical. That would be the last non price smash year.
This speaks to EUR, but not loudly because of . . . Wait, do we have proof
these recompletions are happening? Or is this presumption.
Also suggest a read thru of the new rule making paras of the directors cut.
I can remember months when new completions and new wells operating numbers
completely failed to explain a change in quoted oil production that month .
. . and I embarked on chasing down traffic reports and stop light failures
at intersections because trucks hauling oil having been slowed down could
conceivably have been the explanation for the numbers. Nada.
What we DID
conclude was negative - zero explanation for oil output quotes from the
number of wells completed in a month. Number of days of bad weather
preventing completions also failed to explain. Bad weather slowing down
trucks remained a maybe, but for trucks hauling oil, not trucks hauling
proppant.
Ceramic proppant for Bakken. From China. Soon after this it was
magically discovered that special sand from the US was "superior"
(meaning cheaper, but didn't hold the fractures open as well).
Munger would have us import oil and gas now from OPEC so that we can save
our oil and gas for the future when the world is going to have major
shortages."
The day comes when a firebrand is in control and dares to rock the
societal systemic boat by declaring the price of oil will be non monetary.
You want oil from Russia, America? Disarm. You want oil from KSA, America?
Convert to Islam.
"We have enough of your dollars created from thin air. Let's have
something of real value to us before we send you oil. The price is described
above."
But if we haven't wasted our own oil, we'll still have it. And then if
other countries want to give us terms we won't accept, then we don't use
their oil.
Of course, without imports, we won't have enough to run our
country business as usual. But we're going to head that way anyway, as
global supplies become more scarce and/or expensive.
When the shit is well and truly in the fan, in terms of oil available for
import to the USA, which will probably come to pass within the next
couple of decades, barring the technocopians being right in predicting
electricity displacing oil, well
We have both economic and military muscle enough , assuming we wise up
about globalization , and don't export the rest of our industrial base,
to INSIST on oil being sold to us , although getting it for dollars will
be harder from year to year.
Saudia Arabia will never be self sufficient in food until the
population there falls by what, eighty percent or better? If anybody will
have the capacity to export food on the grand scale, it will be the USA.
And if anybody has a military umbrella under which smaller and less
powerful countries can shelter at relatively low risk of the people there
being treated like convicts, it will be the USA.
This is not to say we have been or are altogether NICE about the way
we treat our allies, but compared to other countries, we stack up pretty
well in this respect.
Nothing will move on the world ocean for quite some time if Uncle Sam
finds himself in a corner where in his own interests indicate that
nothing moves.
Of course considering that ninety percent of the leadership in China
consists of engineers and scientists, where as ninety percent plus of
western leadership consists of lawyers and other mostly parasitic types,
it 's only a question of WHEN, rather than IF China will be a military
superpower, and maybe the SOLE super power.
We need to account for the fact that shale oil production was
supported by junk bond issuance. The loss on shale oil junk bonds is
not that big: the U.S. energy companies have defaulted on ~$40 billion
in high-yield bonds in 2016, more then doubling the $15 billion for
2015 according to Fitch. But they do affect future junk bond issuance
What is interesting is that MSM stopped talking about shale junk
bonds in 2015 as if they got some order from above
Most warnings are from 2014, some from 2015:
In this sense, even $ 63 might be too low, if loans became more
expensive and well servicing costs continue t0 rise. Printing junk
bonds is a necessary side effect of shale oil production and this is
now definitely more expensive activity then before.
I think that the return to profitability for shale at oil prices
below $70 bbl is very problematic.
We have now graphed the whole of BP oil
production and consumption and calculated the net export balance which is not
in decline but it has been flat since 2005.
Nice, Thanks!
The net exports available on the global oil markets are some 60% of the
total production. In the case of dropping global oil production it will take
a while for the markets to dry out. If you make this same exercise on coal
and gas, you get different numbers. Only a tiny fraction of global coal and
gas production is available on the global markets. Dwindling global
production will result in disappearing global markets in a very short time
frame.
Bakken production down 86,150 barrels per day to 895,330 bpd. North Dakota production
down
92,029 bpd
to 942,455 bpd. It was noted that this the largest decline ever in North Dakota
production. But it should not be overlooked that the October in crease in production was also the
largest ever increase in North Dakota production.
EIA wildly optimistic in Bakken, Gulf and Texas. Their current numbers have
to be way high in relation to what is actually happening. Even Texas RRC
site is not predicting an upturn until current permits and completions get a
lot higher. At $53 oil, it is not happening, or going to happen.
In my view there is simply a cost issue here. If a
well goes from 100 barrels to 20 barrels per day, the mainenance,
operating and transport costs go up fivefold per barrel, even if
they are the same for the well. So, it might not pay off to send a
crew there and pay for transport. Unless, the oil price does not go
up, these wells and many more wells are likely to shut down for a
while.
I saw a recent story about the rise in the cost of fracking to completion
for these DUC wells. Costs are said to have risen to something like $3.2
million in some of the areas where wells need completion. I believe the
Director's Cut said last month there were 86o wells awaiting completion.
If the story I read was true, then it will be around $2.8 billion to
frack those 860 wells. I don't know what the cost of getting a well to
the DUC stage is, but it sure seems a lot of money to have sunk in the
ground for wells that will be outputting just 100 barrel a day after
their first 24 months.
Bruno Verwimp wrote back in 2016, September 16th, " .Hold your breath for
the next winter. It might bring severe decline in oil production in ND
Bakken ."
I wrote at the same time: " FWIW my 'money' is on Verwimp's observation
and model for the Bakken. I for one will be interested to see your chart
next spring!"
Another 3 months will be interesting. By the look of it, it might well be
down to 700,000 bpd in a year if the uncanny accuracy continues. As I
understand it, his chart has nothing in it derived from price.
That is correct. Verwimp's model has no oil price input. This is a
serious problem since everybody recognizes that oil price has been
determinant in the current oil situation. Therefore one can only conclude
that Verwimp's model is accurate due to chance, and therefore has no
predicting capability. It will continue to be accurate until it doesn't.
It probably represents oil production decay in the absence of sufficient
economical incentive.
Geology absolutely plays a role, especially when oil
prices are relatively high it is clear which fields are constrained by
geology. When oil prices fall by a factor of 3 or 4 fields that are
not constrained by geology will decline due to economic constraints
(poor profitability.) The Bakken only increased in output due to high
oil prices and a high well completion rate. Eventually geology will be
the reason for Bakken decline, low oil prices clearly are the reason
at present.
In Jan 2018 your model predicts about 680 kb/d for ND Bakken/TF
output. My 61 well model predicts about 818 kb/d in Jan 2018 and the
85 well model predicts 900 kb/d in Jan 2018, I expect ND Bakken/Three
Forks output will be around 825 to 900 kb/d in Jan 2018, with a best
guess of 866 kb/d (847 kb/d in Dec 2018). This corresponds to a 75
well model, chart below.
A big contributor to the legacy oil decline is the unrelenting physics of
fluid phase behavior, with gas becoming more prevalent in the production
stream. Statewide GOR increased from 1200 to 1500:1 cuft/bo in 2015. The
legacy wells will be worse (i.e. the newer wells dampen the effect, which
have an initial GOR of ~ 1000:1). For reference, generally a GOR> 2000:1 is
considered a "gas" well or field.
Most of these LTO fields will eventually be abandoned as gas fields.
note – I tried to post a *.png graph, but the reply tool failed.
Is the 2000 GOR a North Dakota convention? There's no reservoir
engineering reason to designate a depleted well as a gas well when GOR
increases to 2000 scf/bo. Depleted oil wells under depletion drive do
experience very high GORs, but they remain oil wells.
My recall is there's a regulation in Texas that classifies liquids
from a gas well as condensate vs oil from an oil well. Almost
certainly has some tax consequence.
Munger would have us import oil and gas now from OPEC so that we can save
our oil and gas for the future when the world is going to have major
shortages."
The day comes when a firebrand is in control and dares to rock the
societal systemic boat by declaring the price of oil will be non
monetary. You want oil from Russia, America? Disarm. You want oil from
KSA, America? Convert to Islam.
"We have enough of your dollars created from thin air. Let's have
something of real value to us before we send you oil. The price is
described above."
"... Looking at Bakken(ND) as one big project, it has now spent an estimated total of about $36Billion more than generated from net operational cash flows (Jan-09 – Dec-16). To reach pay out for the wells started in 2009-2016 requires an estimated oil price of $65/bo (WTI) starting Jan-17. To get a return of 2.5% (which is, call it, an inflation hedge) on the $36B requires an estimated oil price of $77/bo (WTI). ..."
"... To enable a debt reduction requires a net positive cash flow from operations and the longer it takes before positive cash flow happens, the higher the required oil price becomes to earn some return. ..."
"... Some of this $36B debt has already been written down (also through bankruptcies (Chapter 11s), the business model is not sustainable with low oil prices!), which means that the companies now needs to recover less than the $36B. ..."
"... Write downs/impairments shrinks the affected companies' assets/equities and thus debt carrying capacities. Some make forecasts about future developments without considering the companies' balance sheets. ..."
"... At present oil pries (low/mid 50's) the companies may add an average of 60-70 wells/month from cash from operations, this will likely be a mixture of DUCs and "new" wells. ..."
"... For 2017 I expect companies in Bakken(ND) will continue to spend above what is generated from operations. ..."
To keep the Dec-15 output level from Bakken(ND) through 2016, I estimated this would require
the addition of an average of about 95 wells/month (61 wells/month were added through 2016).
In 2016 an estimated $2.0 – $2.5Billion more than (net) cash flow from operations was spent.
This is about 300 – 350 new wells (spud to flow).
Without this external capital infusion fewer wells would have been brought to flow and thus
a steeper decline in production.
Looking at Bakken(ND) as one big project, it has now spent an estimated total of about
$36Billion more than generated from net operational cash flows (Jan-09 – Dec-16). To reach
pay out for the wells started in 2009-2016 requires an estimated oil price of $65/bo (WTI)
starting Jan-17. To get a return of 2.5% (which is, call it, an inflation hedge) on the $36B
requires an estimated oil price of $77/bo (WTI).
To enable a debt reduction requires a net positive cash flow from operations and the
longer it takes before positive cash flow happens, the higher the required oil price becomes
to earn some return.
Some of this $36B debt has already been written down (also through bankruptcies (Chapter
11s), the business model is not sustainable with low oil prices!), which means that the companies
now needs to recover less than the $36B.
Write downs/impairments shrinks the affected companies' assets/equities and thus debt
carrying capacities. Some make forecasts about future developments without considering the
companies' balance sheets.
At present oil pries (low/mid 50's) the companies may add an average of 60-70 wells/month
from cash from operations, this will likely be a mixture of DUCs and "new" wells.
For 2017 I expect companies in Bakken(ND) will continue to spend above what is generated
from operations.
Frenzied Betting, Sleeping Market: Something Must Give in Oil – Bloomberg
:
"Unfortunately for the bulls, the oil market itself has fallen asleep after an
initial surge. As Standard Chartered analysts including Paul Horsnell pointed
out this week, prices have been stuck around a dollar a barrel above or below
$55.50 since mid-December. Meanwhile U.S. crude closed above $54 a barrel only
once since OPEC's Nov. 30 meeting, despite crossing that price level 14 times.
'If crude prices are to break out of their recent range in the next few weeks,
the risk is to the downside,' JBC Energy GmbH in Vienna said Thursday."
In their 11th annual review of oil sands supply costs, the Canadian Energy
Research Institute (CERI) concludes all new oil sands projects unprofitable
(at current oil prices) . . .
The plant gate supply costs, which exclude
transportation and blending costs, are C$43.31/bbl for a SAGD project and
C$70.08/bbl for a stand-alone mine.
After adjusting for blending and transportation, the WTI equivalent
supply costs at Cushing for SAGD projects is US$60.52/bbl, and US$75.73/bbl
for a stand-alone mine. In comparison to last year's update, the WTI
equivalent costs for a greenfield SAGD project are 25 percent lower and 16
percent lower for a stand-alone mine based on lower operating costs, changes
in US/CDN exchange rate assumption and a lack of premium on diluent costs.
At current WTI prices of just above US$50/bbl, one can assume that these
greenfield projects are not economic or have to accept a lower rate of
return.
http://resources.ceri.ca/PDF/Pubs/Studies/Study_163_Executive_Summary.pdf
Suncor Energy announced a scope change, construction delay and capital
cost increase for its upcoming Fort Hills Oil Sands Mine. The revisions were
blamed on the Alberta wildfires and design changes made to the plant's Froth
Treatment facility. Despite the cost increase, Suncor says the project's
capital intensity remains in-line with its sanction guidance of CAD$80,000
to $83,000 per flowing barrel, excluding foreign exchange impacts.
Partner Teck Resources put out a more cautious forecast and estimates the
plant will produce 186,000 bbl/day over the life of the project. Factoring
in a lower Canadian dollar (which has declined over 20% since the project
was sanctioned in 2013), capital intensity could be as high as C$91,000/bbl.
As a point of comparison, capital costs for Imperial Oil's Kearl Oil
Sands project (which has a comparable process and product), were estimated
at $22 billion for 220,000 bbl/day of bitumen production, or C$100,000 per
flowing barrel.
http://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/oilsands-weekly/2017/2/10
Western Canadian Select (WCS), Jan 2017: CAD$52.3 and USD$39.6
By Nia Williams | Reuters | CALGARY, Alberta Wed Feb 15, 2017 | 2:41pm
EST
The provincial regulator ordered privately-held Lexin to cease all
production, saying it failed to comply with multiple orders and lacked
enough staff to manage its more than 1,600 sites.
Calgary-based Lexin also owes more than C$1 million to Alberta's
orphan fund and more than C$70 million in security for its obligations to
clean up its oil and gas facilities at the end of their producing life.
--
Alberta's Orphan Well Association (OWA) is responsible for cleaning up
wells that have no owners financially able to deal with abandonment and
decommissioning costs. It is overseen by the AER and funded by levies
from the oil and gas industry.
The enforcement action by the regulator means the 1,380 wells
belonging to Lexin are now in the care and custody of the OWA, taking the
total numbers of ownerless wells in Alberta to 2,970.
"... Because that's what pays and what brought him where he is now. Krugman is not a scientist ready to be burned for his convictions. He is a despicable presstitute. Such people have no morals. ..."
"... Plato oil might throw a monkey wrench into such projections. Globalization is based on cheap oil and consume obscene amount of it for transportation of food and goods from one continent to another. ..."
"... Also Kunsler question stands: what type of growth do we need? Growth of what? Of Wall Street banks and hedge funds? Of private equity sharks ? Do we need more Wal-Marts, more McDonalds? Do we need more battleships, fighter planes and attack helicopters? ..."
"... Or we need more hybrid and electrical cars, huge upgrade of the US national grid (east-West high voltage lines, new, safer types of nuclear reactors and huge investments in improving oil extraction technologies. ..."
Did he really know nothing of economic history? Did he not think that the US would follow 19th
century free trade colonies and semi-colonies into dustbin and economic hell of deindustrialization?
Had Krugman never honestly heard of the city of Camden? Did he never wonder at the consequences
of 0% tariffs in a mercantilist world?
Time for free trade economists to sit down, be quiet and admit their mistakes.
"Why did Krugman insist free trade would be wonderful?"
Because that's what pays and what brought him where he is now. Krugman is not a scientist
ready to be burned for his convictions. He is a despicable presstitute. Such people have no morals.
Absolutely the best description and explanation of Trump and his presidency that I read
" Trump administration is basing its budget projections on the assumption that the U.S.
economy will grow very rapidly over the next decade - in fact, almost twice as fast as independent
institutions like the Congressional Budget Office and the Federal Reserve expect. There is,
as far as we can tell, no serious analysis behind this optimism; instead, the number was plugged
in to make the fiscal outlook appear better.
I guess this was only to be expected from a man who keeps insisting that crime, which is
actually near record lows, is at a record high, that millions of illegal ballots were responsible
for his popular vote loss, and so on: In Trumpworld, numbers are what you want them to be,
and anything else is fake news. ..."
I'm going to keep this metric in mind whenever Trump or his Administration declares something
to be right and everyone else wrong, i.e., fake news
Plato oil might throw a monkey wrench into such projections. Globalization is based on cheap oil
and consume obscene amount of it for transportation of food and goods from one continent to another.
Also Kunsler question stands: what type of growth do we need? Growth of what? Of Wall Street
banks and hedge funds? Of private equity sharks ? Do we need more Wal-Marts, more McDonalds? Do
we need more battleships, fighter planes and attack helicopters?
Or we need more hybrid and electrical cars, huge upgrade of the US national grid (east-West
high voltage lines, new, safer types of nuclear reactors and huge investments in improving oil
extraction technologies.
The political stability of neoliberal society much like stability of Bolshevism depends on
whether the promises of higher standard of living for everybody are delivered.
If not, and for the bottom 80% they were not, the society enters the period of political instability.
Which in the USA probably has started with the election of Trump.
MSM dogs who are now barking at Trump are barking to the wrong tree.
Article in NYT yesterday re an essentially jobless recovery
in the TX oil industry. Technology has advanced to the point
where they only need a small fraction of workers they did a
few years ago to get the oil out of the ground. (Lose-lose in
that lower extraction costs support lower fuel costs which
support higher CO2 emissions and there's no employment gain.)
Will post the link to the NYT article later.
Texas Oil Fields Rebound From Price Lull, but Jobs Are
Left Behind
The industry is embracing technology, and finding new ways to
pare the labor force. But as jobs go away, what of
presidential promises to bring them back?
By CLIFFORD KRAUSS
The temporary adrenaline shot may help some people
"temporarily" (probably a decade or so), vs. no help at all.
In the long run we are all dead, but you can have had more or
less of a life before that. A decade is a significant period
in anybody's life.
"... Looking at Bakken(ND) as one big project, it has now spent an estimated total of about $36Billion more than generated from net operational cash flows (Jan-09 – Dec-16). To reach pay out for the wells started in 2009-2016 requires an estimated oil price of $65/bo (WTI) starting Jan-17. To get a return of 2.5% (which is, call it, an inflation hedge) on the $36B requires an estimated oil price of $77/bo (WTI). ..."
"... To enable a debt reduction requires a net positive cash flow from operations and the longer it takes before positive cash flow happens, the higher the required oil price becomes to earn some return. ..."
"... Some of this $36B debt has already been written down (also through bankruptcies (Chapter 11s), the business model is not sustainable with low oil prices!), which means that the companies now needs to recover less than the $36B. ..."
"... Write downs/impairments shrinks the affected companies' assets/equities and thus debt carrying capacities. Some make forecasts about future developments without considering the companies' balance sheets. ..."
"... At present oil pries (low/mid 50's) the companies may add an average of 60-70 wells/month from cash from operations, this will likely be a mixture of DUCs and "new" wells. ..."
"... For 2017 I expect companies in Bakken(ND) will continue to spend above what is generated from operations. ..."
To keep the Dec-15 output level from Bakken(ND) through 2016, I estimated
this would require the addition of an average of about 95 wells/month (61
wells/month were added through 2016).
In 2016 an estimated $2.0 –
$2.5Billion more than (net) cash flow from operations was spent. This is
about 300 – 350 new wells (spud to flow).
Without this external capital infusion fewer wells would have been brought
to flow and thus a steeper decline in production.
Looking at Bakken(ND) as one big project, it has now spent an
estimated total of about $36Billion more than generated from net operational
cash flows (Jan-09 – Dec-16). To reach pay out for the wells started in
2009-2016 requires an estimated oil price of $65/bo (WTI) starting Jan-17.
To get a return of 2.5% (which is, call it, an inflation hedge) on the $36B
requires an estimated oil price of $77/bo (WTI).
To enable a debt reduction requires a net positive cash flow from
operations and the longer it takes before positive cash flow happens, the
higher the required oil price becomes to earn some return.
Some of this $36B debt has already been written down (also through
bankruptcies (Chapter 11s), the business model is not sustainable with low
oil prices!), which means that the companies now needs to recover less than
the $36B.
Write downs/impairments shrinks the affected companies'
assets/equities and thus debt carrying capacities. Some make forecasts about
future developments without considering the companies' balance sheets.
At present oil pries (low/mid 50's) the companies may add an average
of 60-70 wells/month from cash from operations, this will likely be a
mixture of DUCs and "new" wells.
For 2017 I expect companies in Bakken(ND) will continue to spend
above what is generated from operations.
Bakken production down 86,150 barrels per day to 895,330 bpd. North Dakota production
down
92,029 bpd
to 942,455 bpd. It was noted that this the largest decline ever in North Dakota
production. But it should not be overlooked that the October in crease in production was also the
largest ever increase in North Dakota production.
If I'm not mistaken, this means that the North Dakota production (BPD) is now
only slightly more than than the existing pipeline capacity leading out of
North Dakota (BPD), which is 851,000 at the end of 2016. Production will
probably be down to the existing pipeline capacity by March.
Now this isn't quite comparable because part of the Williston isn't in North
Dakota, so I'd have to look at the Montana numbers. But still, it looks likely
that the moment Dakota Access is built, there will be a pipeline capacity glut.
So is the Dakota Access Pipeline going to be half-empty, or will some of the
other pipelines be empty and go bankrupt? They're fighting over market share in
a surplus-capacity environment.
"The incremental investment is budgeted to deliver an average
estimated ultimate recovery (EUR) of, or approximately 15% over the
previous average EUR of 850,000 Boe per well. At $55 per barrel WTI,
these completions should generate a cost forward average rate of
return in excess of 100%"
The estimated EUR's appear VERY high
for Bakken wells by my untrained eye. Any thoughts from the
resident experts?
I am certainly not an expert on tight oil but see above. If they
get 30 to 40% extra from gas I think they might make it (GOR of
1500 adds 25% I think, and it looks like it will be more than
that for most wells). What I don't get is a 'previous average'
of 850,000. There's not even one well that looks like that at
the moment, based on Enno Peters' charts.
"The Company plans to complete 131 gross (100
net) operated wells out of its Bakken uncompleted well inventory with
first production commencing by year end. In addition, Continental
plans to complete with first production approximately 17 gross (8 net)
newly drilled Bakken wells in 2017. At year-end 2017, the Company
expects to have 140 Bakken wells in inventory, of which 72 gross (40
net) wells will have been completed but waiting on first sales and 68
gross (47 net) operated wells will be waiting on completion.
The Company also plans to participate in completing 40 net
non-operated wells in 2017, 35 of which will be in the Bakken.
Continental expects to grow Bakken production by approximately 26%
in 2017, when comparing the 2017 exit rate to the fourth quarter 2016.
Approximately $550 million, or 70%, of the operated Bakken capital
investment in 2017 will be focused on completing wells from the
Company's uncompleted well inventory. The Company has five stimulation
crews working currently and plans to average seven crews for 2017 as a
whole.
Continental plans to apply various enhanced stimulation techniques
on all Bakken completions in 2017 to define the optimum designs for
future completions. This includes larger proppant loads, diverter
technology, shorter stage lengths and shorter cluster spacing. The
Company is also applying high-rate production lift technology to
accelerate fluid recovery and early production rates. Combined, these
techniques add an average of approximately $1.4 million to the
previous standard enhanced completion cost of $3.5 million.
For the uncompleted well inventory, the average budgeted completion
cost for the larger enhanced completion is approximately $4.9 million
per well. The incremental investment is budgeted to deliver an average
estimated ultimate recovery (EUR) of 980,000 Boe per well, or
approximately 15% over the previous average EUR of 850,000 Boe per
well. At $55 per barrel WTI, these completions should generate a cost
forward average rate of return in excess of 100%.
The Company also plans to maintain four operated drilling rigs in
the Bakken throughout 2017 and drill 101 gross (57 net) operated
wells, with 17 gross (8 net) of these wells completed in 2017 with
first production. The 17 gross wells will have an average budgeted
well cost of approximately $7.0 million. The average EUR for wells
drilled in 2017 is expected to be 920,000 Boe per well. At a WTI price
of $55 per barrel, these wells should generate over a 40% rate of
return."
According to Enno, an average
Bakken well gives about 200k+ of oil, not 900k. It looks like it's
much more gas than oil, or the numbers are completely bogus. Or
they have bought the sweetest center of all sweet spots in Bakken?
As of 3Q16, oil accounted for 61% of total CLR output.
Apparently, oil's share in CLR production in the Bakken is
higher.
According to Enno, CLR Bakken wells with the first
flow in 2014 have on average already produced > 200kb of oil.
Their average EUR may exceed 400 kb and probably reach 500 kb.
Wells with first flow in 2015 and 2016 perform better.
That said, even including gas, EURs of 900 kboe look
unrealistic
I have mentioned company proved reserves and PV10 quite a bit
here in the past two years.
I am coming to the opinion that these numbers, required by the
SEC, have too many uncertainties to make them worthwhile, at least
as to PUD. PDP may be useful.
They appear to have been increasing well performance since 2014,
maybe getting above 400k for oil if the curves continue (as below).
It looks like they recomplete after some time. It will be
interesting to see how the two 2016 curves go – started high and
then the first took a dive. The late 2015 wells did the same and
then jumped up, which looks like a re-completion. How much area
does one of their new wells drain? Presumably the savings must
mostly be on reduced drilling and completions cost, and maybe front
loading the returns with higher initial production, not overall
additional recovery.
Marathon announced today they'd have six
rigs average this year – up one – not sure if that is enough to
hold the decline near present levels, mostly that depends on
completions rather than rigs though, but they are going for
"multiple enhanced completion trials" and expect to increase
overall USA production by up to 20% (also six rigs in Eagle Ford).
Bakken data were out yesterday and we have seen a steep drop below 900 000
bbl/d nearly 300 000 bbl/d below its peak of 1.164 mill bbl/d in December (see
below chart). Well performance (new and existing wells) is down to a five year
low of 83 bbl per well and falling -20% year over year. This means a cost
increase per produced barrel of 20%, even if new wells are performing better
and costs per rig are down.
Since the well production declines by -20% over two years now, costs per
produced barrel are up 40% and rising fast. No wonder companies seem to abandon
Bakken for less mature fields such as the Permian. New permits are at five year
low and rig count is also grinding down slowly. Inerestingly, number of wells
are also falling – down 100 wells in December – which has been deemed as
impossible in some forecasting models.
2017 offshore activity shows remarkable competitiveness against shale
One of the key reasons for offshore projects starting to becoming competitive again, is the strong deflation of unit prices which
is actually higher for offshore than onshore. In 2016, unit prices for offshore developments have been reduced 27% from the peak
in 2014 for awarded contracts. One of the key segments, which have helped the offshore cost to come down, is related to the immense
pressure on dayrates for drilling rigs. Here, prices have come down more than 50%. https://www.rystadenergy.com/NewsEvents/Newsletters/OfsArchive/ofs-february-2017
Canadian Oil Sands – Wall Street Journal – 2017-02-17
Oil sands projects can require billions of dollars in upfront investment and
seven to 10 years, or more, to bring returns. Instead, companies are
increasingly focusing on new sources of crude oil, such as shale, that don't
require the same massive investment and that can get from development to
production much more quickly.
In their 11th annual review of oil sands supply costs, the Canadian Energy
Research Institute (CERI) concludes all new oil sands projects unprofitable
(at current oil prices) . . .
The plant gate supply costs, which exclude
transportation and blending costs, are C$43.31/bbl for a SAGD project and
C$70.08/bbl for a stand-alone mine.
After adjusting for blending and transportation, the WTI equivalent
supply costs at Cushing for SAGD projects is US$60.52/bbl, and US$75.73/bbl
for a stand-alone mine. In comparison to last year's update, the WTI
equivalent costs for a greenfield SAGD project are 25 percent lower and 16
percent lower for a stand-alone mine based on lower operating costs, changes
in US/CDN exchange rate assumption and a lack of premium on diluent costs.
At current WTI prices of just above US$50/bbl, one can assume that these
greenfield projects are not economic or have to accept a lower rate of
return.
http://resources.ceri.ca/PDF/Pubs/Studies/Study_163_Executive_Summary.pdf
Suncor Energy announced a scope change, construction delay and capital
cost increase for its upcoming Fort Hills Oil Sands Mine. The revisions were
blamed on the Alberta wildfires and design changes made to the plant's Froth
Treatment facility. Despite the cost increase, Suncor says the project's
capital intensity remains in-line with its sanction guidance of CAD$80,000
to $83,000 per flowing barrel, excluding foreign exchange impacts.
Partner Teck Resources put out a more cautious forecast and estimates the
plant will produce 186,000 bbl/day over the life of the project. Factoring
in a lower Canadian dollar (which has declined over 20% since the project
was sanctioned in 2013), capital intensity could be as high as C$91,000/bbl.
As a point of comparison, capital costs for Imperial Oil's Kearl Oil
Sands project (which has a comparable process and product), were estimated
at $22 billion for 220,000 bbl/day of bitumen production, or C$100,000 per
flowing barrel.
http://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/oilsands-weekly/2017/2/10
Western Canadian Select (WCS), Jan 2017: CAD$52.3 and USD$39.6
"... Privilege: still exorbitant. Here's a nice analysis of the international role of the dollar. This is the same argument I tried to make in my Roosevelt Institute piece on trade policy last summer. The Economist* says it better: ..."
"... "Unlike other aspects of American hegemony, the dollar has grown more important as the world has globalised, not less. As economies opened their capital markets in the 1980s and 1990s, global capital flows surged. Yet most governments sought exchange-rate stability amid the sloshing tides of money. They managed their exchange rates using massive piles of foreign-exchange reserves Global reserves have grown from under $1trn in the 1980s to more than $10trn today. ..."
"... Dollar-denominated assets account for much of those reserves. Governments worry more about big swings in the dollar than in other currencies; trade is often conducted in dollar terms; and firms and governments owe roughly $10trn in dollar-denominated debt. the dollar is, on some measures, more central to the global system now than it was immediately after the second world war. ..."
"... America wields enormous financial power as a result. It can wreak havoc by withholding supplies of dollars in a crisis. When the Federal Reserve tweaks monetary policy, the effects ripple across the global economy. Hélène Rey of the London Business School argues that, despite their reserve holdings, many economies have lost full control over their domestic monetary policy, because of the effect of Fed policy on global appetite for risk. ..."
"... America's return on its foreign assets is markedly higher than the return foreign investors earn on their American assets That flow of investment income allows America to run persistent current-account deficits -- to buy more than it produces year after year, decade after decade." ..."
Privilege: still exorbitant. Here's a nice analysis of the international role of the dollar.
This is the same argument I tried to make in my Roosevelt Institute piece on trade policy last
summer. The Economist* says it better:
"Unlike other aspects of American hegemony, the dollar has grown more important as the
world has globalised, not less. As economies opened their capital markets in the 1980s and 1990s,
global capital flows surged. Yet most governments sought exchange-rate stability amid the sloshing
tides of money. They managed their exchange rates using massive piles of foreign-exchange reserves
Global reserves have grown from under $1trn in the 1980s to more than $10trn today.
Dollar-denominated assets account for much of those reserves. Governments worry more about
big swings in the dollar than in other currencies; trade is often conducted in dollar terms; and
firms and governments owe roughly $10trn in dollar-denominated debt. the dollar is, on some
measures, more central to the global system now than it was immediately after the second world
war.
America wields enormous financial power as a result. It can wreak havoc by withholding
supplies of dollars in a crisis. When the Federal Reserve tweaks monetary policy, the effects
ripple across the global economy. Hélène Rey of the London Business School argues that, despite
their reserve holdings, many economies have lost full control over their domestic monetary policy,
because of the effect of Fed policy on global appetite for risk.
During the heyday of Bretton Woods, Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, a French finance minister (later
president), complained about the "exorbitant privilege" enjoyed by the issuer of the world's reserve
currency. America's return on its foreign assets is markedly higher than the return foreign
investors earn on their American assets That flow of investment income allows America to run
persistent current-account deficits -- to buy more than it produces year after year, decade after
decade."
Exactly right. You can have free capital mobility, or you can have a balanced trade for the
US. But you can't have both, as long as the world depends on dollar reserves."
"... As far as the folks with uninsured loans that would have lost, well, many of these people were hedge-fund types and other financial institutions. They would have paid a price for not being very competent. The bailout ensured that they would not be left to suffer the consequences of their actions. ..."
"... As far as the top executives of the banks, while some were shown the door, many of these people continue to earn paychecks in the millions or tens of millions as the financial sector remains hugely bloated. We had an opportunity to downsize the financial sector in one fell swoop, eliminating this enormous albatross which sucks money out of the economy and hands it to the very rich. ..."
"... The narrow securities and commodities trading sector is now close to 2.5 percent of GDP ($470 billion a year). In the seventies, it was around 0.5 percent of GDP. Does anyone believe that capital is being allocated more effectively today than forty years ago or that our savings are safer? ..."
Contrary to What Robert Samuelson Says We Did Bail Out the Bankers and Did Not Prevent a Second Great
Depression
Dean Baker
13 February 2017
Robert Samuelson is unhappy that people continue to believe something that is true - that we bailed
out the bankers - and happy that people still believe something that is not true - that we prevented
a second Great Depression. In his column Samuelson complains:
"The real Dodd-Frank scandal is that this misinterpretation of events, widely embraced by both
parties, has been allowed to stand. In many bailouts, banks' shareholders suffered huge losses or
were wiped out; similarly, top managers lost their jobs. The point was not to protect them but to
prevent a collapse of the financial system."
Okay, let's imagine the counterfactual. We decide to take the free market seriously and let it
work its magic on Citigroup, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and the rest of the high rollers. These
huge banks all go into bankruptcy with the commercial banking parts of the operations taken over
by the FDIC. All insured deposits are fully protected, with the FDIC and Fed having the option to
raise the limits to protect smaller savers.
The shareholders of these banks are out of luck. They have zero. Samuelson is right that share
prices were depressed during the crisis, but that is different than going to zero. Furthermore, operating
with the protection of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's promise of "no more Lehmans," the share
prices soon bounced back.
As far as the folks with uninsured loans that would have lost, well, many of these people
were hedge-fund types and other financial institutions. They would have paid a price for not being
very competent. The bailout ensured that they would not be left to suffer the consequences of their
actions.
As far as the top executives of the banks, while some were shown the door, many of these people
continue to earn paychecks in the millions or tens of millions as the financial sector remains hugely
bloated. We had an opportunity to downsize the financial sector in one fell swoop, eliminating this
enormous albatross which sucks money out of the economy and hands it to the very rich.
The narrow securities and commodities trading sector is now close to 2.5 percent of GDP ($470
billion a year). In the seventies, it was around 0.5 percent of GDP. Does anyone believe that capital
is being allocated more effectively today than forty years ago or that our savings are safer?
The additional money spent operating this sector is a huge waste from an economic standpoint,
which also plays a large role in the upward redistribution of the last four decades.
In terms of preventing a second Great Depression, this is a nice children's story that the elite
like to tell. (And, they get very mad and call people names if they don't agree - we are supposed
to take name-calling by the elites very seriously.) We know how to get out of a depression, we learned
that lesson in the last one. It's called "spending money."
The claim that we would have suffered a decade of double-digit unemployment if we had not bailed
out the banks is premised on a political claim, not an economic one, that we would never have spent
the money needed to boost the economy out of a prolonged slump. This claim is not only that any initial
stimulus would have been shot down, but even after two, three, or five years of double-digit unemployment
the president and congress would not have agreed to a serious stimulus.
This is a pretty strong claim since even tax cuts would serve to provide stimulus, albeit less
than spending. (Anyone ever meet a Republican that didn't like tax cuts?) Remember, the first stimulus
occurred with George W. Bush in the White House and a 4.7 percent unemployment rate. Those making
the claim that in the counterfactual the politicians in Washington never would have done anything
to boost the economy has a really low opinion of these folks intelligence and/or honesty. That would
be a good topic for a column, if someone really believed it.
The report by the Hills Group claims to rely on thermodynamics arguments to
predict oil's price-volume trajectory going forward. If does not stand up to
scrutiny.
Thermodynamic analysis of engineering systems is typically based on the
first law of thermodynamics together with mass balances.
The second law of thermodynamics introduces the entropy as a thermodynamic
property and the related concepts of reversible processes and reversible heat
transfer.
Irreversibilities in real processes are taken into account by assigning a value
of experimentally determined efficiency to equipment such as pumps, compressors
and turbines and
this way the reversible processes are related to the actual ones.
A relatively recent development has been to develop a systematic use of an
exergy balance to examine where in a complex energy system irreversibilities
take place. Exergy is defined as the maximum theoretical work that can be
obtained from a system and its environment as the system comes to equilibrium
with its environment. By combining the first and second laws of thermodynamics
an exergy balance can be written down.
Rudimentary exergy analysis can be found in the 1941 book Thermodynamics by
Joseph Keenan. It was called availability analysis at that time. The most
systematic development of the exergy analysis is in the textbook Fundamentals
of Engineering Thermodynamics by M. Moran, H. Shapiro, D. Boettner and M.
Bailey, 7th ed. John Wiley, 2011.
Although the entropy balance equation can be used (although typically only
for steady state systems) to determine the entropy production, to carry it out
requires that sufficient number of thermodynamic properties and interactions
are known at the system boundaries. Since such a calculation needs to be
carried out after the thermodynamic analysis has been completed, it is seldom
carried out in engineering practice because the knowledge of the same
properties allows the efficiency of the machine or system be determined.
The advocates of exergy accounting claim that knowing where the exergy
destruction takes place in a system is a good way of allocating development
money to improve it.
This kind of analysis has not taken hold in industry either, simply because,
manufacturer, say of turbines know that the irreversibilities are quantified by
measuring the efficiency of the turbine, and they direct their efforts toward
understanding how the blades of the turbine can be shaped in order to reduce
the irreversibilities. Such a task is based on aerodynamic calculations.
Compressors and pump are by the nature of the flow through them machines with
lower efficiency and their improvement requires again experts with fluid
dynamic knowledge to improve them. Similarly improving the heat transfer in a
heat exchanger is carried out by making improvements in the heat exchanger
surfaces and reducing pressure losses.
If these improve the heat transfer, the entropy production is reduced. Here
the expertise of a heat transfer specialist rather than a thermodynamicists is
needed.
One interesting application of exergy analysis is to calculate the second
law efficiency. A high second law efficiency means that the source of energy is
well matched with the application.
Thus heating shower water with a thermal solar heater is a good match as
unfocused solar energy raises the water temperature high enough to serve as
shower water, but not nearly so high as to create superheated steam to power a
steam turbine. Thus the most important insight to be obtained is to match the
source of energy to the application, and once this insight is internalized,
calculation of the second law efficiency adds only marginally to understanding.
For this reason it is seldom used in industry. To be sure, optimization of a
system's second law efficiency is still worth while, but using other metrics
this can be done with topics based on heat transfer, fluid dynamics, stress
analysis and the like.
Where thermodynamic analysis is helpful is in seeing how a thermodynamic
efficiency of a system such as a coal or nuclear power plant can be improved by
increasing the maximum steam temperature of the plant in which the turbine is
but one component. This requires that blades are made of materials that
withstand the stresses generated at these temperatures. Such developments have
increased the maximum temperature of these power plants to about 1000 F, but
further improvements have now stalled over the last half a century. For gas
fired power plants combustion temperature is higher and and turbine designers
implement both cooling technology for the blades and use high temperature
materials, that today are made of single crystals, that withstand the hot
combustion gases. Interestingly exergy analysis shows that most of the exergy
destruction takes place in the combustion of the fuel, but there is not much
one can do to reduce this destruction. For this reason a naive application of
exergy analysis may lead the poor allocation of development funds.
The report by the Hills Group proposes to use the second law of
thermodynamics as the starting point. The unsteady entropy balance for a
control volume with one exit and no inlet is given as
Next comes the assumption that at all times dS_cv/dt = m^dot s_e$. It is
based on the observation that because at the end of oil production when the
reservoir has been completely depleted the flow will stop and nothing much
takes place, then both of these terms are zero. After cancelling these terms
the entropy production is seen to be related to the heat transfer. But his
assumption is clearly unjustified while the oil is being extracted and these
two terms do not cancel each other. The neglect of the terms leads to an
equation that omits the entropy production that is caused by the
irreversibilities of the oil flow through the permeable reservoir rock.
The incorrect canceling leads to the equation
dot Q^dot_j/T_j = sigma^dot_cv or sigma^dot_cv= Q^dot_j/T_j
and this can be cast in these two forms, depending which term is known and
which is unknown. The report by Hills Group does not tell the reader which is a
known quantity and which is to be calculated. In fact, there is no indication
in the report how the heat transfer is calculated? In thinking about the heat
transfer, for a control volume that includes the reservoir only, it appears
that the heat interaction between the system and the surroundings is mainly
caused by the geothermal gradient. That is, heat enters from the lower boundary
and leaves across the upper boundary. This is a passive process.
The fact that the oil and water in the reservoir have some average
temperature in the geological setting only influences the viscosity of the
fluids and thus how well they move through the reservoir, but from the
energetic standpoint the sensible energy is not important. That is, there is no
attempt made to extract this energy in a heat exchanger, nor is the high
pressure used to extract energy in an expander. Rather the oil and water
mixture flows through a set of throttling valves, in which the exergy is
destroyed.
If the entropy production were known independently, then this equation could
be used to calculate the heat transfer, but the answer would be incorrect
because entropy production is caused by both heat transfer and irreversible
processes taking place inside the control volume. For the control volume
consisting of the reservoir, entropy production takes place mainly in the pores
of the permeable reservoir rock as the flow is forced out.
This takes place by local viscous dissipation and although it can be
calculated in principle, in practice such a calculation is nearly impossible to
carry out from first principles. The entropy production rate for the system
would then be calculated by integration of the local values over the entire
reservoir.
Next in the analysis is a calculation of E_Tp. It is defined as the total
production energy, or the total work required to extract, process, and
distribute a volumetric quantity (a gallon) of crude oil. The report offers the
equation
E_Tp = [(m_c C_c + m_o C_o ) (T_R-T_O)]/[m_c]
as a way to calculate it. But this is the energy of the sensible part of the
oil-water mixture above the reference temperature T_O. It does not include the
chemical energy of the crude oil and the formula cannot be reconciled with the
definition of E_Tp.
Thus there are two equations to use for calculating E_Tp and there is no
mention what the independent variables are and what is calculated using these
equations.
If the value of E_Tp is calculated this way then how is the previous equation
used? The only unknowns are the reservoir temperature T_R and the oil-water
ratio, if the total flow rate is determined from the depletion rate equation.
The reservoir temperature can be measured, so the unknown seems to be the water
oil ratio. However, the report makes use of an empirical equation for the
oil/water ratio as a function of the percent depletion of the reservoir.
Finally last equation can only be used to calculate the change in exergy,
and this would necessitate a new symbol to be introduced for exergy, and this
is not the same as energy.
The report next presents calculation of the oil extraction trajectory that
is based on Hubbert's methodology. The calculations are in close agreement what
others have found., with cumulative production 2357 Gb that is somewhat larger
than what Campbell and Laherrere's value 2123 Gb. It is now well known that the
in the calculations based on logistic equation there is a slow drift to large
values of the ultimate production as more data has been included in the
calculations with the passing of the
In the same section is also a discussion of the surface water cut as a
function of the percent of oil extracted from a reservoir. The curve is then
rotated in order to satisfy two criteria set by the authors. Now a rotation of
a curve is a mathematical transformation and a curve cannot be arbitrarily
rotated without destroying the underlying mathematical theory. Furthermore, the
report states that E_Tp cannot exceed E_G, the crude oil's specific exergy. The
terminology is again used loosely applied to both energy and exergy.
Returning to the calculation in Section 4.1 of the report for calculating $E_{Tp}$
by the equation
E_Tp = [(m_c C_c + m_o C_o ) (T_R-T_O)]/[m_c]
The statement on top of page 19 suggests that the water cut is an input
parameter, in which case the value of E_Tp depends only on the reservoir
temperature.
The reservoir temperature in turn is a function of the depth of the well,
owing to the geothermal gradient. This would allow this equation to be used to
calculate the sensible energy of oil-water mixture. But what purpose does this
serve?
The sensible heat of the crude oil is not used in any significant way. The
crude oil cools as it enters the ground facilities and it cools further as it
is transported in the pipelines. No power is generated from the sensible part
of the crude oil's energy. Only the chemical energy is valuable upon
combustion. The rest of the report relates to how prices are linked to the
energy delivered. There is no theory to predict how prices adjust to either
temporary surplus or deficit.
From what has been discussed above, the thermodynamic analysis is incorrect
and therefore any calculations and graphs based on this analysis must also be
unreliable. Readers have noted that the so called analysis predicts a peak in
oil production during the 2017-2018 time frame and troubles by 2023. That this
coincides with the time others have judged the difficulties to appear, seems to
give the report a superficial credibility.
If the authors have a better handle on how much energy is expended in oil
production, they can form the EROIE ratio and it would constitute an
independent check on the work of Hall and his coworkers on EROEI. Such an
independent analysis would have some value
I looked at Mexico production by area as below. The numbers in brackets show
percentage year on year change for exit rate 2016 to 2017. Only the small area
in northern offshore, which is not LMZ or Cantarell, is not declining. Even KMZ
looks like it might be turning over. If it goes like Cantarell as Nitrogen and
or water start hitting the producers then the will be a big acceleration, if
not then the decline might flatten out as the other fields make up increasingly
less of the mix. The plateau that KMZ achieved after N2 injection was started
is now quite long for an offshore field.
"... For the past eight years we were fed the constant stream of stories of mythical economic "recovery" and all the wealth created in this period from the bankers and economist. And as a result of all that illusory "wealth" retail sector was able to sell goods to consumers with empty wallets and maxed credit cards only by smashing prices to the bone – leaving almost nothing for the profit. ..."
"... Imagine the state of economy without this extra unconventional 5-6 mbd and $100 per barrel as a consequence. ..."
Steve,
Oil industry, and particularly Shale & Oil Sands part, lives in hope for the
last 3 years. And that is not reality, because hope means dream. Unless
someone's live in reality, here and now, they are dreaming. They are dead
weight, and tomorrow which will fulfill all their hopes is never to come.
Shale and Oil Sands are mostly North American origin of production with 5-6 mbd.
where we have the most consumption per capita in the entire world.
For the past eight years we were fed the constant stream of stories of
mythical economic "recovery" and all the wealth created in this period from the
bankers and economist. And as a result of all that illusory "wealth" retail
sector was able to sell goods to consumers with empty wallets and maxed credit
cards only by smashing prices to the bone – leaving almost nothing for the
profit.
Imagine the state of economy without this extra unconventional 5-6 mbd
and $100 per barrel as a consequence.
I disagree that it implies subsidies. What is implied is that
when oil is scarce, the price of oil will increase and more of the expensive
oil will be profitable to produce. Eventually the high oil price will lead
to greater efficiency in the use of oil (as measured by real World GDP per
barrel of oil consumed) and also some substitution of natural gas, and
electricity for oil in the transportation sector and after 10 to 20 years
demand for oil might fall below the supply of oil and lead to lower prices.
My main point is that the supply of oil depends on profits, not on net
energy or exergy of the oil produced. Profits will depend on revenue minus
costs and revenue will be determined by the oil price which is a function of
both
supply and demand for oil.
There is strong evidence that the US economy can survive only oil
prices below $100 per barrel without sliding into recession. Some
researchers put this magic "perma-stagnation" oil price as low as $60
per barrel. I think understanding of this fact is partially behind
this prolonged "oil price crush".
So it might well be that we do not have the freedom of "arbitrary"
oil prices in the US economy. and in worst case scenario we have oil
prices already close to the celling, unless the economy is
restructured.
That's why your line of thinking about this problem might be wrong.
In other words, this is a very serious situation for the USA. "The
long emergency" as James Howard Kunstler aptly called it (not that I
agree with his line of thinking or endorse his book).
Meanwhile the US is wasting time and money on the wars of
neoliberal expansion, which partially is "brut force" way of securing
privileged access to remaining oil deposits. Around 5 trillion was
spent so far, or 167 millions of Toyota Priuses at $30K per car, or
half of the US passenger fleet (there were 260 million registered
passenger vehicles in the United States in 2014)
So instead on concentrating on this fundamental problem that nation
is facing, the USA is just "waiving dead chicken" with the military
force. If we add the possibility of Seneca cliff that situation might
be even worse then I described. The nation does need radically cut the
amount of oil spend on personal transportation. Using all ways for
this that are technologically feasible. Because this is the lowest
hanging fruit. But very little was done in this direction on both
federal and state levels.
Meanwhile we expanded the fleet of SUVs for personal transportation
- this is now the most popular "form factor" for personal car, which
overtook sedans. Growth of the fleet of hybrid cars is unacceptably
slow (over 4 million units sold through April 2016; Japan, a much
smaller and compact nation, sold 5 millions).
Even such a symbolic act as switching of all personal government
cars to hybrids was not done by Obama administration, which preferred
only talk about the problem and opened spigot for shale junk bond. The
only their "real" achievement was "Iran deal" which probably was
instrumental in crashing oil prices. Which probably helped Obama much
more than it helped the USA economy as whole, but we should not
inspect the teeth of the horse that was given as a gift, as old saying
goes.
Also attempts to lessen huge traffic jams in large cities like NY
and SF are feeble, despite the fact that the technology is available
both to reroute the cars and to optimize traffic lights.
Converting existing roads network into "one way" network is almost
unheard outside the city center, even when two more or less adequate
parallel roads exists with the short distance of each other.
Variation of the number of lines each way is practiced very rarely,
in some city centers and selected bridges.
Green wave for traffic using Wifi connections between traffic
lights and cameras is in a very rudimentary stage.
The only progress that I noticed is that more and more traffic
lights at night autodetect the presence of the car on intersection and
switch to green light if there is not traffic in "main" direction.
Submitted by Nick Cunningham via OilPrice.com,
Despite the near record increase in U.S. oil inventories last week – an increase of 13.8 million
barrels – oil prices traded up on February 8 and 9 as traders pinned their hopes on a surprise
drawdown in gasoline stocks, which provided some evidence of stronger-than-expected demand.
The abnormal crude stock increase took inventories close to 80-year record levels at 508 million
barrels, and is another bit of damming evidence that should worry oil bulls. But the oil markets
were not deterred. In fact, that has been a defining characteristic of the market in recent weeks
– optimism even in the face of some pretty worrying signals about the trajectory of the market
"adjustment" process.
More signs of optimism abound. Wall Street is pouring the most money into oil and gas companies
in the U.S. since at least 2000, according to Bloomberg. In January alone, drillers and oilfield
service companies raised $6.64 billion in 13 different equity offerings. "The mood is absolutely
different," Trey Stolz, an analyst at the investment banking firm Coker & Palmer Inc., told
Bloomberg. "Go back to a year ago and the knife was still falling. But today, it feels much, much
better."
Thanks for your interesting post. In my view the US oil and gas
industry plays a very important role for the US economy. As long as US oil and
gas production is high, the USD stays strong through a lower current account
deficit. The costs of a weak dollar (and lower US production) would be manifold
higher (higher interest rates) than the current losses of the oil and gas
industry. And the losses are made for private shareholders – who do not care as
long as dividends stay the same. So, who cares?
However, how long can companies sustain this torrid pace? My guess is the
industry wants to sit out the cycle until any spare (net export) capacity is
out of the market (see below chart). So, if OPEC does not have any surplus
capacity left, the oil price will rise as then OPEC has no chance to increase
oil production and anybody can produce as much as he wants. OPEC has cut its
production, yet I have no doubt that they want to bring its spare capacity to
the market. With the current cut OPEC has just bought time to do this at a
higher price. But if the spare capacity is gone, even OPEC will have no
interest in keeping prices stable. When worldwide spare capacity is gone, this
is the time when we have the true oil peak.
As a high USD slows down oil demand, it will take time until the last drop
of spare capacity has gone, yet then it will be a dramatic rise of the oil
price.
Heinrich Leopold you are a rare diamond among a pile of pea gravel in your
analysis. As for the article, when the answer to every problem is to buy
gold and silver I don't give the author that much credit. While he admits he
does not understand the oil and gas business, this article shows he also
does not have any real historic context for his conclusions.
Thanks for your comments. The current situation is at least
very interesting as we will soon see how much substance is behind the
claims of the industry and OPEC.
Saudi Arabia has probably not as much spare capacity as they claim as
the current cut was probably not as much voluntarily as published. On the
other side, the recent quarterly report fom ExxonMobil
http://cdn.exxonmobil.com/~/media/Global/Files/Earnings/2016/news_supp_earnings_4q16_2.pdf
reveals the Exxon had a five time higher loss on its US operations than
in 4q2015, despite higher prices received. This is a hint that there are
enormous cost pressures in US operations. So, the US industry has
probably not so much time just to sit out the whole situation.
From what I have seen it is generally accepted that EROEI for FF has
been and will continue (lots of peer reviewed papers documenting this)
to be in a downward trend. Then it is open for projections how fast
this downward trend will develop and its consequences.
What matters
is net affordable energy that will be made available for societies.
In the short term it is about flows, longer term; size and quality of
remaining stocks.
Selling assets to pay down dividends/buy back stocks is
liquidation.
Further up in this post Nathanel shared some great insights;
"Personally, from my background in general financial analysis,
the two really big metrics I've been watching lately: Dividends in
excess of current earnings mean a company in decline. Borrowing money
to pay the dividend means a company which is in unmanaged,
uncontrolled decline. (Managed decline would involve liquidating
assets to pay dividends, and *paying off* debt.)
"
"Look at what they do and not what they say."
Several big oil companies have used money for stock buy backs, but
another trend I found interesting is also how they move into renewable
(solar and wind). This should be an indicator about what these
companies find profitable.
Just to be clear, I think renewables are great, but we also need to
recognize the dominant role of FF.
"... That calculation is similar to one I heard about the use of a bicycle. It was said that the average commute in a car, starting from the time one turns the key until it's parked only achieves (roughly) 25 mph effective speed. The driver must then work (again, roughly) 1 hour to pay for every hour of automobile travel, so the real effective speed is only 12.5 mph . ..."
"That calculation is similar to one I heard about the use of
a bicycle. It was said that the average commute in a car,
starting from the time one turns the key until it's parked only
achieves (roughly) 25 mph effective speed. The driver must then
work (again, roughly) 1 hour to pay for every hour of automobile
travel,
so the real effective speed is only 12.5 mph
.
A bicycle ridden over relatively mild terrain can easily produce
this speed and the rider gets added benefits from the exercise.
Of course, this only works over short commutes with good roads
and tolerable weather, but it shows how much more efficient
transport systems can be
"... Several companies have already been through bankruptcy proceedings (Chapter 11 primarily) and affected bondholders accepted a haircut. Integrated companies have recognized impairments to their balance sheets. So if only those who makes/supports these claims could come up with documentation of the conduits by which the bondholders/creditors are made whole by central banks it would be helpful. ..."
"... The losses/haircuts/impairments will be spread over several years (perhaps decades) and in relative terms the amounts involved do not pose a systemic risk ..."
"... No, of course not. You're buried in normalcy confirmation bias that believes QE creation of 25% of GDP over about 6 years is completely consistent with markets operating in laissez faire fashion. When did you, oh hell, when did anyone last hear the phrase moral hazard? Think about that when you next posture yourself offended. ..."
Rune, thank you for this. People here I believe had been asking for it, now, unfortunately, it
seems to have gone over most peoples heads. There is a fundamental detachment from reality here;
people think LTO development in America will have a never ending source of funding, regardless
of price, demand,
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/EIA-Slashes-Crude-Oil-Demand-Forecast.html
or the economic/financial woes of the industry itself. I can't say that I understand that
myself.
I did not expect my post would unleash an avalanche with unsubstantiated claims about central
banks making bond holders/creditors whole for losses incurred by shale companies.
Several companies have already been through bankruptcy proceedings (Chapter 11 primarily)
and affected bondholders accepted a haircut.
Integrated companies have recognized impairments to their balance sheets. So if only those
who makes/supports these claims could come up with documentation of the conduits by which the
bondholders/creditors are made whole by central banks it would be helpful.
The losses/haircuts/impairments will be spread over several years (perhaps decades) and
in relative terms the amounts involved do not pose a systemic risk.
Ifcentral banks got involved it would be much easier (and better) to manipulate the
oil price higher.
Dood what substantiation do you need for the claim that if global systemic risk exists financially
from growing shale debt they will be bailed out? You got a problem with that claim? Where were
you in 2008 when nominal and gross credit default swaps were measured in trillions? Know anyone
at the ISDA or even the DTCC?
No, of course not. You're buried in normalcy confirmation bias that believes QE creation
of 25% of GDP over about 6 years is completely consistent with markets operating in laissez faire
fashion. When did you, oh hell, when did anyone last hear the phrase moral hazard? Think about
that when you next posture yourself offended.
Normalcy is gone. It's not coming back. Oil scarcity is relentless and is the likely cause.
I can offer you help in re-evaluating what is and isn't normal:. Have a look at the German 10
year Bund. 0.3%. German inflation? About 1.2%.
I had trouble following the logic – one line seems to be that investors
continue to put money into oil companies because they (the investors)
believe in abiotic oil. I'm pretty sure that is wholly incorrect.
I don't get why the recent uptick in USA production (much of which was
due to GoM projects that had been started several years ago, not just from
shale drilling) has got anything really to do with the losses of the
companies highlighted. Is the suggestion that without that uptick investors
would have suddenly realised that all the oil companies are going down the
toilet? I'm pretty sure that's wrong as well.
LTO is still a relatively small part of ExxonMobil and Chevrons portfolio
(note if you look only at the upstream parts of those companies the losses
actually have been worse than shown, they were saved by downstream profits).
The losses are because of over investment leading to a supply glut. There
has been almost no impact from falling global demand. The over investment
was in all sections not just in LTO. LTO stands out because the supply can
be seen to clearly increase over the past few years, but it had not much
more impact than oil sands (also showing a clear increase) or in fill
drilling in Russia and Opec ME, which just acted to stop decline, and
therefore doesn't stand out so much.
That ETP thing gets thrown in but, apart from being wrong in many
different ways, doesn't seem to be linked to any of the other observations
or conclusions.
Negative cash flow does not automatically translate into unprofitably if
CAPEX is a big portion of it.
There are no doubts that oil companies have taken on more debts, but it
would be more helpful if debts were presented on a specific basis that is $$
of debt per barrel of oil (or oil equivalent) of reserves.
So far I cannot see the author has made any real attempts to explain the
thermodynamic oil collapse.
Good to see you woke up from the DEAD. Haven't seen you posting
much. Glad to know I am able to get you out of BED once in a while.
Anyhow . I would imagine we can use any financial metric to show how
profitable or unprofitable a company is by relating it to this or that
metric, but in the end the figures speak for themselves. The U.S. Major
Oil Industry is in big trouble. Hell, the majority of the economy and
financial system is one big BUBBLE looking for a PIN.
Regardless, ExxonMobil and the rest of the U.S. energy sector is in
serious trouble. While ExxonMobil only has $29 billion in long term debt,
their total liabilities are $169 billion.
There's lots of garbage hidden in these companies that most investors
tend to overlook.
"Let us assume for a moment that there are some places such as LTO
producers or oil sands producers where the net energy of the "petroleum
production system" is close to zero. Why would that prevent the oil from being
produced, as long as oil prices are high enough to make such production
profitable?"
That means subsidies. But where are the sources of those subsidies ? They
are in those oil sources which have high EROEI. So implicitly Russia and KAS
are subsidizing the US shale production due to neoliberal global financial
system based on dollar, because those countries put large part of the income
from their oil sales into US treasuries.
My feeling is that Wall Street (and by extension US intelligence agencies,
which historically were closely connected - look at the career of Allen Dulles)
and oil production are very interconnected.
That's probably why we have such a long period of low oil prices.
Those "free market" supply-demand arguments that have currency here,
probably should be augmented with the brute force considerations. In other
words, this is at least partially a racket, which is based of the US (and its
allies) hegemonic world power and first of all military power.
Russia is definitely unhappy with this situation, and that's why in
2011-2012 the USA attempted to stage a color revolution in this country.
As Roman saying coined it "Vae victis!" 'Woe to the vanquished!'
== quote ==
Famine began to afflict both armies. The Gauls were also affected by
pestilence. They were on low ground between the hills, which had been scorched
by the fires and there was malaria. Many of them died because of disease and
the heat. They started piling the dead bodies and burning them instead of
burying them. They started negotiations with the Romans and called on then to
surrender due to the famine. They also hinted that they could be bought off.
The Roman leaders, who were waiting for Camillus to arrive with an army from
Veii, refused. Eventually, the starving soldiers called for a surrender or an
agreement on a ransom on the best terms they could. Quintus Sulpicius and
Brennus, the leader of the Senones, held talks. They agreed on a ransom of 1000
lbs. of gold. The Senones cheated, using heavier weights to weigh the gold.
When the Romans protested, "Brennus tossed his sword on the scale, uttering
words intolerable to the Roman ears, 'Woe to the vanquished!'" [37]
I'm no expert on the matter but from what I understand about Canadian oil
sands they're basically burning natural gas to make heat/steam and
electricity and using that to mine/refine bitumen into gasoline. I don't
know what the EROI is but it's probably the lowest in the world.
Nonetheless, natural gas doesn't go in my car or run the farm equipment, but
burning natural gas to power the mning/refining of bitumen seems to fill my
tank. Now if Canada runs out of natural gas one day I suppose they could run
some nuclear to produce heat/steam and electricity to power the mining and
refining of bitumen to crude oil products. I don't see why they need a
subsidy. As long as they can turn a profit they're good. It seems to me that
cheap natural gas and expensive oil is the cornerstone of Canadian oil sands
extraction.
You should have written energetical subsidies.
But why should this be an issue? As long as the other energy is cheap an
available, in future it may be green electricity, a energetical subsidy is
not bad. In extremo we are talking about syn-fule from CO2, water and green
energy.
The Hill approach is not convincing because they assume implicitly that
only oil can deliver the subsidy.
Think of oil produced using SAGD and an upgrader as a synthetic product,
manufactured using inputs which are converted into outputs the buyer wants.
As long as the inputs are cheap enough the product is profitable.
So the key to extra heavy oil production is cheap natural gas, or cheap
fusion and solar power. I mention these two because Venezuela's extra heavy
oil sits in a reservoir that's much warmer than usual. This warmth comes
from radioactive decay in basement rocks located under the reservoir sands,
and from the sun, which happens to keep the surface pretty warm.
"... OECD stocks fell 800,000 bpd in Q4/2016. This is before any OPEC cuts. ..."
"... Am I the only one who thinks this is worrying? OPEC was pumping flat out at that point and we still were in a deficit? ..."
"... Strange graph though. Where did the oil go? http://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2017/february/omr-the-first-cut-is-the-deepest.html It looks like a stock build up of ~500,000 bpd in Q4/2016 but OECD inventories are down 800,000 bpd in the same period. ..."
"... Some of it is probably China, but where did the rest of the 1.3 mbd go? tankers? ..."
Why target Russia? Is it because of an impending Seneca cliff in Saudi Arabia?
They were supposed to peak 10 years ago but water and nitrogen injections kept
them afloat. Now?
"I've gotten a couple emails from people who have asked me what I think the
"end game" is in regards to Russia. And, indeed, the government is going into
extra innings with this whole Russia vilification project. This is worse than
someone who has held on to a grudge for years. The government does that, too,
but they haven't done it over ideology (as with Cuba) for quite some time now.
What, then, is the motive?
The motive is perfectly clear: Oil. You see, Russia has already eclipsed
Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest oil producer. This means the big Saudi oil
fields are drying up. And the government knows that, but they can't tell us
this because it'll create a panic. One would think this would motivate the
United States to get cozier with Russia. However, what the United States
government fears is that if we do that, Russia will twig to the motive for it,
and realize it has the United States over a barrel. An oil barrel. At which
point the price goes up. Not to mention extracting concessions in the global
sphere of influence.
Thus, what the United States is playing at here is trying to install a
different "regime" in Russia. That being, one that Vladimir Putin does not
control or have any influence over. This is easier said than done and the
United States knows this. But the stakes are quite a bit higher than
controlling the dwindling oil supply in the Middle East. Russia is obviously in
control of most of the world's remaining oil reserves. The United States needs
a puppet regime in Russia to have access to that oil without paying the correct
market price for it.
At some point, this gambit will fail. Russia is not the Middle East. A war
with Russia cannot be won or cease-fired out of. Nor can a United States-backed
"regime change" succeed over there. This is not the 1990s Russia of Boris
Yeltsin. The United States, however, cannot come clean with the truth to the
American people. The reason is because if the American people knew the truth,
they'd never sleep nights anymore. The truth is this: Our entire economic
system is based on petroleum and low-cost petroleum at that. But the actual
nightmare is that our entire agricultural system is based on cheap oil."
Saudi has had water injection for much longer than ten years on pretty well
all it's fields and I don't think they are using nitrogen injection
anywhere, there may be some small CO2 EOR projects though. Their production
has been maintained by developing three old, heavy oil fields that were
mostly dormant (Manifa, Khurais and Shaybah), by using a lot of in-fill
drilling and intelligent wells (where water breakthrough can be controlled)
on maturing fields and by extensively redeveloping offshore fields with new
wellhead platforms and adding artificial lift.
I don't think their fields are anywhere near drying up; they may be
hitting some limits in surface facilities – probably to do with water
injection or treatment of produced water which means they have to
continually choke back so as not to damage the reservoirs.
"... Furthermore, well productivity in the Eagle Ford is detereorating over time compared to the wells drilled in previous years, which may suggest that longer laterals and bigger fracs result in only slightly higher IPs but much steeper declines. ..."
"... By contrast, new wells in the Permian continue to perform better than older wells. ..."
"... That may explain why drilling/completion activity and LTO production in the Permian have remained more resilient and are quickly recovering; while EFS has seen the biggest decline in production among the key LTO plays. ..."
"There is no data on average well quality for the wells that started production
in 2016. Is that because the data for last year is incomplete?"
If you go to the "Well quality" tab in the first presentation, you'll see 2016 profiles
as well.
The "Ultimate Recovery" overview only supports displaying production histories for wells
of the same age. As there are still 2016 vintage wells on which I have no data (the ones
that started in Nov/Dec), 2016 is not yet shown if you display it by "Year of first flow".
However, if you change the selection to "Quarter of first flow", or "Month of first flow",
then you will see more recent data as well, incl 2016.
You may remember past discussions here where we discussed displaying or omitting incomplete
tails in the well profile graphs. The Well Quality tab can show incomplete tails, while
the Ultimate Recover tab can't.
I just found that the number 2016 in the legend was hidden.
Comparing well performance in the Permian and the Eagle Ford, it seems that average
IP rates are not that different (582 b/d and 510 b/d, respectively, in the second month
of production), but declines in the EFS are much steeper.
As a result, by the tenth month, average well in the Permian produces 210.7 b/d, and
in the EFS only 122.6 b/d.
Furthermore, well productivity in the Eagle Ford is detereorating over time compared
to the wells drilled in previous years, which may suggest that
longer laterals and bigger fracs result in only slightly higher IPs but much steeper
declines.
By contrast, new wells in the Permian continue to perform better than older wells.
That may explain why drilling/completion activity and LTO production in the Permian
have remained more resilient and are quickly recovering; while EFS has seen the biggest
decline in production among the key LTO plays.
It was only a matter of time before drilling, fracking, and oilfield service providers for the
oil and gas industry started raising their prices to reflect the improving prospects for their
clients.
Now the time has come, and drillers and frackers are asking much higher prices for their
services; according to a CNBC
report
, the cost of fracking per well in some cases shot up by 50 percent between bidding and
executing.
... ... ...
The Permian is currently the top spot for shale oil and gas. Everyone is buying acreage there
and everyone is optimistic, not least because of the relatively low production costs in the play.
These production costs, however, are set for a substantial rise, judging by what some small field
operators are saying.
One such operator, Lilis, told CNBC that two months ago it paid $13,900 per day per well for the
drilling of two wells in the Delaware Basin, an especially prolific part of the Permian play.
Now, the lowest going rate per well is US$16,000 per day. Well-fracking cost US$2.2 million two
months ago. Now, the price has gone up to US$3.2 million, Lilis said.
"... Rats continue to abandon ship: (The pay to play is mostly over with) ..."
"... People who voted for Hillary were being conned also. D vs R is con vs con. It doesn't matter who you vote for, you're voting for a con. That's what American politics is. American politics is a political sewer pipe. ..."
You voted for Trump because Clinton was
going to be in Wall Street's pocket.
Trump wants to repeal Dodd-Frank and
eliminate the Fiduciary Rule, letting Wall
Street return to its pre-2008 ways.
You voted for Trump because of
Clinton's emails. The Trump administration
is running its own private email server.
You voted for Trump because you thought
the Clinton Foundation was "pay for play."
Trump has refused to wall off his
businesses from his administration, and
personally profits from payments from
foreign governments.
You voted for Trump because of
Clinton's role in Benghazi. Trump ordered
the Yemen raid without adequate intel, and
tweeted about "FAKE NEWS" while Americans
died as a result of his carelessness.
You voted for Trump because Clinton
didn't care about "the little guy." Trump's
cabinet is full of billionaires, and he
took away your health insurance so he could
give them a multi-million-dollar tax break.
You voted for Trump because he was
going to build a wall and Mexico was going
to pay for it. American consumers will pay
for the wall via import tariffs.
You voted for Trump because Clinton was
going to get us into a war. Trump has
provoked our enemies, alienated our allies,
and given ISIS a decade's worth of
recruiting material.
You voted for Trump because Clinton
didn't have the stamina to do the job.
Trump hung up on the Australian Prime
Minister during a 5pm phone call because
"it was at the end of a long day and he was
tired and fatigue was setting in."
You voted for Trump because foreign
leaders wouldn't "respect" Clinton. Foreign
leaders, both friendly and hostile, are
openly mocking Trump.
You voted for Trump because Clinton
lies and "he tells it like it is." Trump
and his administration lie with a
regularity and brazenness that can only be
described as shocking.
Let's be honest about what really happened.
The reality is that you voted for Trump
because you got conned.
I didn't vote for Trump. But my analysis
shows the Florida vote swung to Trump when
Obama issued a presidential decree allowing
large quantities of rum and cigars be
brought by American tourists returning from
the island of slavery.
People who voted for Hillary were being
conned also. D vs R is con vs con. It
doesn't matter who you vote for, you're
voting for a con. That's what American
politics is. American politics is a
political sewer pipe.
"... Following a January announcement according to which the DOE planned to sell 8 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and which some speculated was the reason for the big buildup in crude inventories in the past several weeks, today the U.S. Energy Department said it will sell 10 million barrels of oil from the government's emergency crude reserve in late February. ..."
Following a January announcement according to which the DOE planned to sell 8
million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and which some
speculated was the reason for the big buildup in crude inventories in the past
several weeks, today the U.S. Energy Department said it will sell 10 million
barrels of oil from the government's emergency crude reserve in late February.
This represents the second sale of oil from the emergency stash this year:
according to Reuters, last month Shell bought 6.2 million barrels from the
reserve and Phillips 66 bought 200,000 barrels, which was below the 8 million
projected for sale.
As explained below, that sale was partially held to fund a
modernization of the SPR itself. More sales are expected be held in coming
years to fund up to $2 billion for the revamp.
Air
conditioning and heat are
not always needed, real
world experience of EV
owners suggests your numbers
are not accurate. At
$2.50/gallon a prius costs 5
cents per mile.
where author gets 5.4
miles per kWhr, if we assume
0.12 cents per kWhr that is
0.022 cents per mile, less
than half the cost of a
Prius at 50 MPG and
$2.50/gallon gasoline.
8,232.2 miles with
1,513.2 kW used = 5.4
Miles-per-kWh
I agree that my previous
example is too extreme
and involve standing a
lot in traffic as in NYC
(say 60 miles each way
with half in heavy
traffic - 2 hour commute
one way) plus eating
lunch in the car as well
as
pre-heating/pre-cooling
the car for 10 min each
day in winter and summer
(say, 200 days a year)
Let's assume less drastic
case when you commute 30
miles spending in traffic
on average 1 hour (each
way) with either air
conditioner or heating
on, and do not eat in the
car. With the consumption
of electricity for travel
only around 0.5 kW per
mile (0.38/(0.9*0.85))
That will bring us to
probably around $3.5 per
gallon price at which
Prius is still
competitive with EV.
I would repeat that we
probably need $4 per
gallon for mass adoption
of EV.
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minutes and 42 seconds)
Please also note that
we should compare
apples to apples and
for its price Prius is
much better car in
comparison with Leaf.
And Lexus GS 450h
($63K) is a much
better car the Tesla S
60 ($71,300, lease
$845 /mo.)
With the EV growth than I wish to see how the government will make money that
they earn from gas taxation. The government is not affording to lose the money
from gas tax. They will tax the electricity? How? I think this will skyrocket!
I think also is going to be a long war till the EV will win.
Fred Lambert, electrek.co, Jan. 31st 2017
7:52 am ET
The [Audi of America President Scott Keogh] expects that most of the
industry will go entirely "battery-electric" within the next 10 years:
"All this fright about where am I going to get a charge is going to go
away extremely fast. The technology on this front is moving at a staggering
pace. You're going to be looking at a marketplace in the next seven, eight,
nine, 10 years where for 30 or 40 some brands their entire business is going
to be battery-electric vehicles."
"
Electric cars offer no savings in energy, money, or emissions at present
.
Electricity supply from renewables cannot cover but an insignificant portion of road vehicles
Should electric cars become ubiquitous,
electricity will be taxed to yield that revenue
As a side issue related to the electrification of the U.S., it may interest you that should
all the cars (200 million of them) be the electric Leafs, and driven as today for 15 000 km annually,
their charging would draw some 80 billion watts based on the earlier MJ/km number. Of course,
not everybody will be satisfied driving a small car so the
overall consumption will be
higher, say 100 GW
.
To put that number into perspective, the present electricity consumption of the whole
country amounts to 450 GW
. That wattage powers everything, from toasters and air conditioners
to factories, hospitals and cities.
Adding that new generating and grid capacity any time
soon is of concern when considering that the present level was being developed since the time
of Edison
."
"As most people are, I too am subjected daily to the mass media reports that broadcast the
need for building renewable, clean energy sources. Those sources are usually identified as 'wind,
solar and others'
followed by a hint at their rapidly increasing output
.
Suspicious, I looked up the sources and their annual output as compiled by our Department of
Energy (doe.eia.gov)
Do renewables matter? Can wind and solar impact global climate change measurably?
Apparently not. There is also no chance
that the US, or individual states,
will meet the repetitious commitments for 20, 50 or 100 percent of energy to 'be derived from
renewable, clean sources' in the usual 5, 10 or 20 years timetable,
numbers repeatedly
proposed by the facts-ignorant politicians and prejudiced media in cohorts with the 'Big Wind
and Big Solar' interests
The above numbers, the graphs, and the proper meaning of terms should help us challenge the
'green' media and the
other-people-money-spending politicians
."
"I have found the subject of
renewable energy
(wind and solar) maddening.
It
simply doesn't work. At all.
I've come at the problem every way I can think
of, and the bottom line is that transforming diffuse, intermittent, weak energy sources into
reliable, powerful energy sources is simply not possible.
For most power sources we are doing the opposite – taking extremely powerful sources of
energy (hydrocarbons, falling water, nuclear energy) and downscaling it to my electrical socket.
In such an effort, inefficiencies and loses don't matter much. In the case of wind and solar,
I'm trying to upscale the energy – take low energy solar power and make it strong enough to
boil water on my stove.
Entropy just doesn't work that way
." ~ Frustrated
Scientist
"
'Clean Energy' is a rhetorical device of unprecedented scope. A poorly defined but
effective shield for any pundit, mouthpiece or messaging agent to use when speaking of a seemingly
uncertain energy future
. 'Clean Energy' has given its name to many formal processes,
organisations, and campaigns. Our climate leaders use the term when they talk about targets, and
renewables, and 'low carbon' futures
As someone who is hellbent on finding a way to destroy fossil fools there is one thing that
is certain,
this juggernaut will not rest till it's all gone. That's how fossil fools
have always played their cronyistic, monopolistic, deeply networked game
. That's how
I look at motive and likelihoods
When I discovered that some of the very same people who were presenting the most popular arguments
for why we should #keepitintheground were also paving the way for carbon capture and storage I
began asking questions about the development of this particular form of energy generation. Questions
like:
Why would organisations that are telling us about carbon bubbles, carbon budgets,
unburnable carbon, and stranded assets be supporting the continued burning of gas, coal, and trees,
and the expansion of geological storage of CO2
under the North Sea in old oil and gas
fields owned by Shell and Statoil? Surely they care about ending the destruction?
I quickly realised I was asking the wrong questions
"
"A fundamental, generally implicit, assumption is that each unit of energy supplied by non-fossil-fuel
sources takes the place of a unit of energy supplied by fossil-fuel sources. However,
owing to the complexity of economic systems and human behaviour, it is often the case that changes
aimed at reducing one type of resource consumption, either through improvements in efficiency
of use or by developing substitutes, do not lead to the intended outcome when net effects are
considered
. Here, I show that the average pattern across most nations of the world over
the past fifty years is one where each unit of total national energy use from non-fossil-fuel
sources displaced less than one-quarter of a unit of fossil-fuel energy use and, focusing specifically
on electricity,
each unit of electricity generated by non-fossil-fuel sources displaced
less than one-tenth of a unit of fossil-fuel-generated electricity
. These results challenge
conventional thinking in that they indicate that
suppressing the use of fossil fuel will
require changes other than simply technical ones
such as expanding non-fossil-fuel energy
production."
Hi George, I'm assuming that you are referring to the calculations in the exercise I linked to,
so to I have copied and pasted it here with each step in the calculation numbered. I myself was
a little confused when I looked back at step 5 so, I converted the TWh figure in step 4 to GWh
(in bold) for clarity. Is that where you are saying "A TWh is 1000 GWh not 100″?
Also at the end in bold, I have added that the assumption that there would be " no reduction
in electricity use to refine the needed motor fuels from crude oil", is not a reasonable assumption.
1) US 2014 Light duty vehicle, short wheel-base Vehicle Miles Traveled – 2,072,071 million
miles (Source US DOT BTS)
2) Worst case EV power consumption 340 Wh/mile (Tesla Model S)
So if all VMT for the US in 2014 were traveled in EVs with the consumption of a Tesla Model
S, the total electricity required would be:
3) 2,072,071 x 1,000,000 x 340 = 704,504,140,000,000 Wh = 704.5 TWh
4) Total Generation at Utility Scale Facilities in the US for 2014 – 4,093,606 GWh = 4,093.606
TWh (Source EIA EPM)
Increase required on top of 2014 total generation to power all Light Vehicle VMT in 2014 if
traveled by EVs nwith the consumption of a Tesla Model S:
5) 704.5 x 100 ÷ 4,093.606 = 17.2%
So, according to the above calculations, if all VMT by light vehicles in the US in 2014,
had been using EVs with the power consumption of a Tesla Model S it would have required the production
of 17% more electricity. This assumes that there is no reduction in electricity use to refine
the needed motor fuels from crude oil, not a reasonable assumption so actually less than 17%
would be required .
The only thing I can see is no inclusion of "charging losses".
Typically about 90% of the energy from the outlet makes it into the battery as there are losses
as the AC voltage is converted to DC to charge the battery and probably some thermal losses in
the charging process.
This may indeed be offset by the electricity consumed by the refining process, extraction,
transport, and distribution processes in the petroleum industry. More wind and solar can certainly
be built and it is not as though the process will happen overnight, it will take 25 to 35 years
before most personal transportation will be replaced by plugin vehicles.
I took the basic US driving statistics and scenario you presented (item 1) and then did NOT
look at your calculations below it, but did my own back-of-the-envelope independent estimate (using
my OWN assumptions based on what my own first-hand EV drving experience has shown me, and my own
calculation process). I came up with 750 TWH/year of EV energy required (at the metered, not at
the battery). I was happy to then look at your calcs and see you had about 705 TWh – just 6% different
from my calcs. So, independent confirmation. Your numbers look good.
Why did not put just 0.1Kw per mile for simplicity? If you do not question the data what is the
value of reproducing the calculations.
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As Dennis pointed out, there's also the issue of charging losses, which I completely ignored.
I'm curious as to why you say the UK grid would need 30% more energy (TWh). Is it that the energy
intensity of the UK economy is lower, such that that the energy required by cars would make up
a larger share of the total electricity consumption than the US?
On the other hand, the UK is so much smaller than the US and I imagine commutes are shorter
resulting in significantly lower VMT per capita. Plus the mass transit systems are so much better.
(On a visit a few years ago, I commuted from London to the NEC in Birmingham by train to attend
a solar trade show rather than stay in Birmingham. It cost me less). In addition, EVs are much
more efficient in slow moving, stop and go traffic if climate control, especially heating, is
not being used.
The issue of intermittency is something else altogether. I expect that the UK will eventually
get most of it's renewable energy from wind since the wind resources in the UK are good (see
http://globalwindatlas.com/map.html
). The profile of the wind resource makes a huge difference. When is it strongest? How much
does it vary? Is it strong at night? It is the general profile of the intermittent resources compared
to the demand profile that is going to determine how much storage will be needed and how much
excess capacity will be needed. Someone with a fairly intimate knowledge of the nature of the
renewable resources in the UK would be best equipped to make that determination.
Current grid has roughly 2 times as much capacity as average load. Transmission already exists.
So for the most part does not need replacing. Existing capacity serves as backup to intermittent
wind and solar. As long as the wind is widely dispersed there would not be too much of an intermitency
issue.
Undersea cable to Ireland and France would reduce the problem further. Offshore wind would help.
Expensive though, nuclear is also an option.
This is definitely a way too optimistic calculation. Probably by a factor of two or three.
You probably should use 0.6-0.7 KW/h per mile at the level of generating stations due to losses
(10% in transmission, 15% in conversion, 10% in battery itself as it has the impedance).
Everything else is just a wishful thinking. But even this is way too optimistic. My feeling
is that 1 Kw/h per mile is more realistic for summer time if you add air conditioning costs.
Double that in winter as battery efficiency drops and heating of the cabin is required.
Add "vampire losses" when the electric car is parked and drop of efficiency of the litium battery
with age when 90% efficiency becomes 80% on the second or third year.
There are a lot of problems with your calculation (which actually assumes that Tesla S is as
efficient as Leaf – a much smaller car).
What I mentioned is just a tip of the iceberg. For gas powered car we can calculate what the
well-to-wheel efficiency is. For electric car this is more difficult as parameters of battery
change with its age and influence of air conditioning and heating is far more greater.
In this sense, with air conditioning and heating factored in, Prius 50 mpg per gallon might
still be quite competitive with 15 cents per kilowatt and three years old Tesla S.
In addition, my car's "vampire" power draw while parked and shut down averaged about 4.5 kWh
per day for the first 10 months, and then about 1 kWh per day after a software update two months
ago. I estimate the vampire draw sucked up an additional 1,400 kWh or so.
That brings total actual energy usage for the year: about 7,100 kWh–putting efficiency at about
466 Wh/mile, or about 2.1 miles/kWh.
The vampire and charging losses bumped the year's real fuel cost up to $820, or about 5.3 cents
per mile. Which is still barely a quarter of the fuel cost of a comparable gasoline car.
Winter vs summer
As with all electric cars, my efficiency was much lower in cold weather. For the April-to-October
period, I averaged 301 Wh/mi, compared to 371 Wh/mi for November to February.
Although I didn't measure month by month, these numbers imply that energy usage in July–the
hottest month–was probably in the range of 290 Wh/mi, while January's was close to 400 Wh/mi.
Earlier this winter, during my first January with the car–which was followed by the coldest
February in recent history around these parts–I found that my energy usage nearly doubled for
the short local trips that I usually take.
Time after time, I'd come home from a run to the grocery store or the chiropractor with an
average consumption of well over 500 Wh/mile. (That's before counting vampire and charging losses.)
Although I didn't measure month by month, these numbers imply that energy usage in July–the
hottest month–was probably in the range of 290 Wh/mi, while January's was close to 400 Wh/mi.
Earlier this winter, during my first January with the car–which was followed by the coldest
February in recent history around these parts–I found that my energy usage nearly doubled for
the short local trips that I usually take.
Time after time, I'd come home from a run to the grocery store or the chiropractor with an
average consumption of well over 500 Wh/mile. (That's before counting vampire and charging losses.)
"... There are two major forces behind secular stagnation: ..."
"... 1. Neoliberalism which undermines the purchasing power of lower 80% of population due to redistribution of wealth up. Like in the "classic Marxism" theory of the absolute impoverishment of the working class under capitalism. ..."
"... 2. End of cheap oil, which undermines both productivity growth and, simultaneously, neoliberal globalization, which was the source of (fake) productivity growth in GDP statistics (which by itself is very suspect). ..."
Short-Run Effects of Lower Productivity Growth
: A Twist on the Secular Stagnation Hypothesis:
Despite interest rates being very close to zero, US GDP growth has been anemic in the last four
years largely due to lower optimism about the future, more specifically to downward revisions in
growth forecasts, rather than legacies of the past. Put simply, demand is temporarily weak
because people are adjusting to a less bright future.
Anne,
> Having read the paper again, the work still reads as
parody. I find no coherence.
I agree. Looks like
There are two major forces behind secular
stagnation:
1. Neoliberalism which undermines the purchasing
power of lower 80% of population due to redistribution of
wealth up. Like in the "classic Marxism" theory of the
absolute impoverishment of the working class under
capitalism.
2. End of cheap oil, which undermines both
productivity growth and, simultaneously, neoliberal
globalization, which was the source of (fake) productivity
growth in GDP statistics (which by itself is very
suspect).
"In a somewhat related aspect, I've not seen
an updated graphic from Rune on the cash flow from major Bakken operators.
I've always felt that single frame told a very powerful tale, but not so much
pessimistic as one might think."
The chart likely referred to looks at Bakken(ND) as one entity and below is
an updated chart as per November 2016 and instead of monthly free net cash flow
it has now been annualized (last 12 months total free net cash flow) to enable
the same units on both axis.
For all 2016 the companies in Bakken will use about $2,500 Million more than
their free cash flow from operations (this is by not including the effects from
natural gas sales).
Using Billions = 1,000 Millions on one axis and Millions on the other may be
deceptive.
Average gross specific interest cost is now at an estimated $7/bo.
Whoever holds that debt
doesn't get repaid. What does that mean?
Nothing. If they are systemically vital to the global financial
structure, the central banks (plural) will create the necessary money and
GIVE IT TO THEM.
It doesn't have to mean anything. And further . . . if YOU were in charge
of the situation . . . YOU would do exactly the same thing. You would create
the money and GIVE IT TO THEM.
How could you not?
There's also another conceptual leap pending.
If that debt is NOT systemically vital to the global financial system,
but IS systemically vital to flowing enough oil for civilization to function
- that gets those debt holders bailed out, too.
whatever is the primary source of funds that flow to the LTO
industry, if they still flow, LTO production will continue. The recent
data suggest that inflows (in the form of IPOs, secondary share
issuances, proceeds from asset sales, acquisitions by the oil majors and
private equity firms, etc.) are again increasing. That means that
investments in shale oil and gas will rise in 2017 and the next several
years, and LTO production will rebound. And that will have an impact on
the global oil market.
As regards (excess) money printing by central banks, it affects all
parts of the economy, not just oil and gas industry. If there were no
money printing, people would not be able to spend thousands of dollars on
electronic gadgets; cars, including EVs; solar panels, wind turbines,
etc.
If they are systemically vital to the global financial structure, the
central banks (plural) will create the necessary money and GIVE IT TO
THEM.
I guess that's what happened to the sub-prime mortgage
crisis. The banks were "systemically vital to the global financial
structure". They all got bailed out. But the purchasers of those
sub-prime mortgages, mostly pension funds and such, were not considered
vital.
They got nothing!
Watcher,
You should write a post and ask for it to be posted on POB where you lay
out what it is we do not get.
I for one did not get the memo on central banks omnipotence.
"... US and EU sanctions only affect Russian offshore projects in the Arctic and development of Russia's tight oil. If sanctions are lifted, projects with foreign participation in these two areas will be able to produce meaningful quantities of oil not before 2025. But these volumes will not be sufficient to flood the market. ..."
"... Russia is participating in OPEC-non-OPEC supply cuts and certainly is not interested in flooding the market and exerting a downward pressure on prices. ..."
"... The only Russia's offshore Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye field developed by Gazpromneft without foreign participation (already producing oil). ..."
"... In general, even if there were no sanctions, Arctic projects would be developed relatively slowly, due to high costs and environmental issues. Russia's long-term energy program anticipates more or less meaningful volumes of oil production in the Arctic offshore only in the 2030s. ..."
"... Everything in that stuff you wrote is baloney. Russia's Black Sea exports go through Novorossysk and Tuapse. There isn't an oil pipeline going to Crimea. Furthermore, putting an oil loading port in Crimea is nutty (because the oil comes from the East and it makes much more sense to load as far to the East as possible). There used to be some oil loaded in Odessa, but that was never a big deal. ..."
"... Regarding the Exxon deal, that's also baloney. But I don't feel like trying to explain the basics to somebody who picks up information from Facebook. ..."
"... From all that I've read, I would conclude that a "flood of oil" out of Russia is about as likely as a "flood of new fracked oil from shales in the United States, not yet drilled." That is, it's rather low on the probability meter. ..."
"... Why target Russia? Is it because of an impending Seneca cliff in Saudi Arabia? They were supposed to peak 10 years ago but water and nitrogen injections kept them afloat. Now? ..."
"... Thus, what the United States is playing at here is trying to install a different "regime" in Russia. That being, one that Vladimir Putin does not control or have any influence over. This is easier said than done and the United States knows this. But the stakes are quite a bit higher than controlling the dwindling oil supply in the Middle East. Russia is obviously in control of most of the world's remaining oil reserves. The United States needs a puppet regime in Russia to have access to that oil without paying the correct market price for it. ..."
"... At some point, this gambit will fail. Russia is not the Middle East. A war with Russia cannot be won or cease-fired out of. Nor can a United States-backed "regime change" succeed over there. This is not the 1990s Russia of Boris Yeltsin. The United States, however, cannot come clean with the truth to the American people. The reason is because if the American people knew the truth, they'd never sleep nights anymore. The truth is this: Our entire economic system is based on petroleum and low-cost petroleum at that. But the actual nightmare is that our entire agricultural system is based on cheap oil." ..."
"Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 to lease over 60 million
acres of Russian land to pump oil out of (which is five times as much land as they lease in the
United States), but all that Russian oil would go through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily
tax the proceeds, and Ukraine was applying for admission into NATO at the time.
Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by
sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean
peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was Hitler style imperialism that broke every international
law in the free world.
After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, Exxon Mobil could only pump oil from approximately
3 of those 60+ million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is soon to be our Secretary of State, and
as of today, there's information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove
all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks.
The Russian government's oil company, Rosneft, will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars
from that much untapped oil, all pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned
by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just for this deal to go through."
______
Now, a flood of oil on the market from Russia would likely keep US oil prices down, thus hurting
US drillers right?
If one is conspiracy-minded, could that be part of the deal, too? Russia uses low oil prices
to take down US oil production, and then tries assert itself as one of the countries left standing.
In about 1780, Catherine the Great and the Ottoman Empire agreed that the Crimea was a part of
Russia. [Yes, there was conflict for years prior (as with any other piece of land in the world).]
In 1954, in honor of the 300th Anniversary of the Republic of Ukraine being a part of Russia,
Nikita Krushchev "gave" the governance of the Crimea to the Republic of Ukraine. It was not constitutional
under the Russian constitution. The UN said nothing about it, nor any other international law
body. Krushchev later trumped up an approval without even a quorum.
So the Republic of Ukraine seceded from Russia and took the Crimea with it. In the US, when
states (republics) seceded [having been states for much less than 100 years, let alone over 300
years] the rest of the states killed as many people as they could until they "agreed to rejoin
the union." People might not like it, but the vast majority of people living in the Crimea had
ties to mother Russia, and they voted to go back to being governed by Russia. So, Putin accepted.
And please, let's not get into an argument about the fairness of elections, unless your candidate
wins.
So, what would we do if Obama gave South Carolina to Florida, and then Florida seceded. I guess
that the rest of the states would just say "shucks, we lost South Carolina too." Especially if
South Carolina had the only warm water port in the US [the Crimea has the only warm water port
in Russia]. The rest of the ports are in the North Sea, etc. And, yes, that is a critical military
point.
"This was Hitler style imperialism that broke every international law in the free world." That
is a pathetic joke! Okay – let's let the US South secede again, since the Cival War broke every
international law in the free world and was exactly the same as Hitler's imperialism.
Just one clarification: the ports in Crimea are not the only warm water ports in Russia.
Russia has several other ports in the Black Sea and Azov Sea.
Other ports are in the Baltic Sea, Arctic seas and the Pacific; not in the North Sea
Perhaps I am wrong, but are those other ports large enough and deep enough for military use [which
I failed to state clearly]? I beleive that Russia still operated their huge military port in the
Crimea even after the Ukraine seceded and prior to Russia taking back the Crimea.
Sevastopol, the largest port in Crimea, was founded by Catherine the Great as Russia's main military
port in the Black Sea.
It had special status when Crimea was part of the Soviet Ukraine, and also when Ukraine became
independent. Russia had a long-term arrangement with Ukraine for using Sevastopol.
Russia also has a large military port in Novorossiisk (Russian part of Caucasus); but you are
right, Sevastopol is deeper, bigger and more convenient.
Rurik set up rule in Novgorod, giving more provincial towns to his brothers. There is some
ambiguity even in the Primary Chronicle about the specifics of the story, "hence their paradoxical
statement 'the people of Novgorod are of Varangian stock, for formerly they were Slovenes.'" However,
archaeological evidence such as "Frankish swords, a sword chape and a tortoiseshell brooch" in
the area suggest that there was, in fact, a Scandinavian population during the tenth century at
the latest.[3] The "Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project" of FamilyTreeDNA commercial genetic genealogy
company reports that Y-DNA testing of the descendants of Rurikids suggests their non-Slavic origin.
Kiev was the Capital of Russia when Moscow was still a hunting camp
It's your choice to use Facebook as the main source of information on the oil and gas industry,
but please don't repost this BS on the oil-dedicated thread.
Exxon Mobil didn't lease any land in Russia. It is the operator of the Sakhalin-1 project in
Russia' Far East (very far from Ukraine); and oil produced from this project is exported by sea
(Pacific ocean).
Exxon's JV with Rosneft has also found an oil field in Kara Sea (Russian Arctic), but this
project was suspended due to the sanctions.
In the past Russia was exporting a small part of its oil by the "Druzhba" ("Friendship") pipeline
through Ukraine and was paying normal transporation fee, not taxes.
Now all Russian oil is exported via Russian oil terminals near Novorossiisk (Black Sea) and
Ust-Luga and Primorsk (on the Baltic Sea). New transporation routes include East-Siberia – Pacific
Ocean (ESPO) oil pipeline linking Russian oil fields in Siberia with the ports on Pacific Ocean
and with China's Daking; as well as oil terminals in the Arctic (Varandey).
If US sanctions on Russia are lifted, Rosneft and Exxon will be able to develop their joint
project in the Artcic, but oil found there certainly is not worth "half a trillion (500 Billion)
dollars', and cannot seriously change the global supply-demand balance.
clueless gave you a good answer on Crimea
BTW, 1) there is no oil terminal in Crimea;
2) Russian oil is taxed in Russia
"It's your choice to use Facebook as the main source of information on the oil and gas industry,
but please don't repost this BS on the oil-dedicated thread."
I never use Facebook as a source of information on the oil and gas industry. The topic never
comes up among my Facebook friends or my news sources on Facebook. When I want gas and oil info,
I use Google to look at legitimate news sources from industry observers.
I just wanted some people's thoughts on that. Your reaction actually tells me a lot about how
you think about it.
We've had quite a few discussions here about how politics, both domestic and international,
shapes oil production, so I was just inquiring about any insight. I'm rather surprised that you
are telling me not to even post a question on the subject. Touchy, maybe?
The relationship between Trump and Russia has triggered some questions, not just among Democrats,
but also the GOP. And some people are wondering if there is some tie in about oil.
"some people are wondering if there is some tie in about oil."
The only "tie in" is Exxon's frozen investments in the Pobeda (Victory) field in the Kara Sea.
But that's no secret; you can find information on this project on Exxon's and Rosneft's websites
and in international business media.
The Sakhalin-1 project is not covered by the sanctions and is being successfully developed.
"Will a flood of Russian oil affect US oil prices?"
US and EU sanctions only affect Russian offshore projects in the Arctic and development of
Russia's tight oil. If sanctions are lifted, projects with foreign participation in these two
areas will be able to produce meaningful quantities of oil not before 2025. But these volumes
will not be sufficient to flood the market.
Russia is participating in OPEC-non-OPEC supply cuts and certainly is not interested in flooding
the market and exerting a downward pressure on prices.
I think Exxon could re-enter the project if the sanctions are lifted. If sanctions are not lifted
for several years, Rosneft will likely develop this field independently, but it would take more
time as Rosneft lacks experience in offshore projects.
The only Russia's offshore Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye field developed by Gazpromneft without
foreign participation (already producing oil).
In general, even if there were no sanctions, Arctic projects would be developed relatively
slowly, due to high costs and environmental issues. Russia's long-term energy program anticipates
more or less meaningful volumes of oil production in the Arctic offshore only in the 2030s.
"Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 to lease over 60 million
acres of Russian land to pump oil out of (which is five times as much land as they lease in the
United States), but all that Russian oil would go through pipelines in the Ukraine"
Almost all pipelines through Ukraine are nat gas. Not oil. There is some minor oil flow. "All"
is just profoundly absurd.
Russia's oil output is going to Asia and northern Europe via Transneft lines to Poland and
Belarus. Not through Ukraine. Haven't looked for where those Exxon leases are, but I'm pretty
sure that's the Rosneft joint venture up around the Arctic.
Nowhere near Ukraine. This is all just completely wrong.
FedBook, er I mean Facebook, is a ghetto of sentimentality. I suggest deleting from it. I joined
Facebook once for a very short time and the only thing I learnt from it was that most of my friends
are idiots.
Everything in that stuff you wrote is baloney. Russia's Black Sea exports go through Novorossysk
and Tuapse. There isn't an oil pipeline going to Crimea. Furthermore, putting an oil loading port
in Crimea is nutty (because the oil comes from the East and it makes much more sense to load as
far to the East as possible). There used to be some oil loaded in Odessa, but that was never a
big deal.
Regarding the Exxon deal, that's also baloney. But I don't feel like trying to explain the
basics to somebody who picks up information from Facebook.
From all that I've read, I would conclude that a "flood of oil" out of Russia is about as likely
as a "flood of new fracked oil from shales in the United States, not yet drilled." That is, it's
rather low on the probability meter.
Again from what I've read (numerous sources) the Russian oil fields are being extracted just
about as heavily as they can be at this time, as are the Saudi fields, again relying on a number
of different sources.
Without getting too "tinfoil-hatty" I'd say most of the stories about the global oil markets
which promise big bursts of production from (heretofore undisclosed) big new oil fields are in
the category of "fake news." These stories serve to boost U.S. consumer confidence and U.S. automobile
and light truck sales, but contradict what people in the industry (such as Art Berman, Tadeusz
Patzek et al.) are saying about future supply.
Why target Russia? Is it because of an impending Seneca cliff in Saudi Arabia? They were supposed
to peak 10 years ago but water and nitrogen injections kept them afloat. Now?
"I've gotten a couple emails from people who have asked me what I think the "end game" is in
regards to Russia. And, indeed, the government is going into extra innings with this whole Russia
vilification project. This is worse than someone who has held on to a grudge for years. The government
does that, too, but they haven't done it over ideology (as with Cuba) for quite some time now.
What, then, is the motive?
The motive is perfectly clear: Oil. You see, Russia has already eclipsed Saudi Arabia as the
world's biggest oil producer. This means the big Saudi oil fields are drying up. And the government
knows that, but they can't tell us this because it'll create a panic. One would think this would
motivate the United States to get cozier with Russia. However, what the United States government
fears is that if we do that, Russia will twig to the motive for it, and realize it has the United
States over a barrel. An oil barrel. At which point the price goes up. Not to mention extracting
concessions in the global sphere of influence.
Thus, what the United States is playing at here is trying to install a different "regime" in
Russia. That being, one that Vladimir Putin does not control or have any influence over. This
is easier said than done and the United States knows this. But the stakes are quite a bit higher
than controlling the dwindling oil supply in the Middle East. Russia is obviously in control of
most of the world's remaining oil reserves. The United States needs a puppet regime in Russia
to have access to that oil without paying the correct market price for it.
At some point, this gambit will fail. Russia is not the Middle East. A war with Russia cannot
be won or cease-fired out of. Nor can a United States-backed "regime change" succeed over there.
This is not the 1990s Russia of Boris Yeltsin. The United States, however, cannot come clean with
the truth to the American people. The reason is because if the American people knew the truth,
they'd never sleep nights anymore. The truth is this: Our entire economic system is based on petroleum
and low-cost petroleum at that. But the actual nightmare is that our entire agricultural system
is based on cheap oil."
Saudi has had water injection for much longer than ten years on pretty well all it's fields and
I don't think they are using nitrogen injection anywhere, there may be some small CO2 EOR projects
though. Their production has been maintained by developing three old, heavy oil fields that were
mostly dormant (Manifa, Khurais and Shaybah), by using a lot of in-fill drilling and intelligent
wells (where water breakthrough can be controlled) on maturing fields and by extensively redeveloping
offshore fields with new wellhead platforms and adding artificial lift. I don't think their fields
are anywhere near drying up; they may be hitting some limits in surface facilities – probably
to do with water injection or treatment of produced water which means they have to continually
choke back so as not to damage the reservoirs.
"... This is really good stuff. And I think it gets to the central core of what is wrong with traditional macroeconomic models: bargaining power. ..."
"... Technology is not driving consolidation. It only enables it, by enabling larger economies of scale. Without IT, managing operations in a large and complex company would require much higher personnel overhead just to handle all the data, information, coordination, conveying orders, etc. This overhead is not a linear function of size. ..."
Last week, we published
the first part
of an extensive three-part interview with Bernard
(Bernie) Yeung, Dean of National University of Singapore's business
school. This is the second part. The third and final part will be
published next week. In the first part of our interview with Bernard
Yeung, we talked about his seminal papers on power concentration, on
which he collaborated mainly with Randall Morck. The discussion there
focused on dominant players and their ability to shape their own
markets, the capital market, and even the economy. In this
installment, we talk about how free trade may have backfired, how
wealth and power are connected, how big corporations can control and
distort the market for ideas, and why governments may actually prefer
markets that are controlled by dominant players rather than by many
competitors. ...
... GR: Can you elaborate on what you call economic conditioning,
mainly the part in which you say it may not be vicious?
BY: Let's imagine I got rich and now own and control a bank. I'm
saying to myself that I know what's right and what's wrong. I cannot
allow new people to set up new banks and compete with me in an unruly
manner. That will create chaos. They will cause people to lose their
jobs. I help to set up barriers to entry in the financial sector. I
myself lend money to my rich friends and they will create many jobs. I
think I'm right-and I am righteous.
I overlook the positive effects that competition will generate for the
economy. I overlook the contributions of new ideas and innovations
which leads to strong future growth and good future jobs. I focus on
my lending to the established, which preserves current jobs and
creates interest earnings for me. I am not [attuned] to the
counterfactuals. I'm conditioned to believe that all I've done is good
for my bank, for the financial sector, and for the country. That's
economic conditioning. I'm not being sinful. I'm not being vicious. I
only see what's good for me, and I believe that's good for the whole
society.
GR: This was the case for the Robber Barons in the U.S. more then a
century ago.
BY: Oh yes, and I believe it's very much how Donald Trump is thinking.
GR: Do you think they genuinely believe that the country should be run
by the incumbent oligarchs?
BY: If it ain't broken don't fix it, right? 'Look at all the good
things I have done. If I'm so rich and keep so many people employed, I
cannot be so bad. I will never see people who cannot get into the
market because of my behavior. I never see them. Indeed, I am always
thinking that, in helping my established friends and using business
judgment that brings me profits, I help society, create jobs and
wealth, and my donations help society further. I see myself and my
friends as pillars of our country.' ...
... In a system with dominance, and I've already put that in paper, I
think there is built-in resistance to change. Rich people don't like
change and competition. And they themselves don't invest too much in
innovations that displace their own business; that is, no creative
self-destruction.
I believe that a vibrant and robust capital market that gives people
with good ideas a chance is very important. The problem is failed
capital markets, lack of transparency and alternatives and dominant
players in control who don't encourage entrepreneurship. ...
... GR: Is there empirical data that shows that, when we take out
economic concentration, we get better growth, better distribution of
income, and a better quality of life?
BY: Yes. Once, Randall, his student, and I looked at a current list of
top firms, compared it to a similar list of 20 years earlier, and
asked ourselves how many survived. We showed that high stability is
correlated with lower growth, lower productivity, and poorer Gini. ...
This is really good stuff. And I think it gets to the central
core of what is wrong with traditional macroeconomic models:
bargaining power.
Traditional models assume a supply curve
and a demand curve, but do not ask *why* particular players
might have a particullar supply or demand curve. If there is
market power, and sooner or later just via random chance the
number of players in any given area will shrink down to a
small numbe rthat have bargaining power, the ultimate rule
is, "Thims that has, gits."
"thims that has, gits" is why libertarianism -- and
neoclassical economic theory -- are ultimately nonsense.
An individual
worker typically has undiversified skills, constraints on
liquidity, constraints on mobility, limited information on
local market wages, few options of potential employers and a
short time horizon to consider.
Labor markets behave in very unideal fashion and generally
disadvantage the worker in negotiations with employers.
Employers, these days, can set up offices anywhere,
outsource, hire from large numbers of candidates, and they
usually know what they can get away with paying. They can
also survive without a position filled for an extended time,
while employees can only go limited time without a job.
think of each corporation as encapsulated by a circle! Each
circle encapsulates the corporate directors, the company's
workers, customers, suppliers, creditors, part time
consultants, institutional share holders, private
shareholders and foreign share holders. Such overlapping
circles constitute a Venn-diagram which provides a view of
innumerable distinct classes of folks.
Technology is not driving consolidation. It only enables it,
by enabling larger economies of scale. Without IT, managing
operations in a large and complex company would require much
higher personnel overhead just to handle all the data,
information, coordination, conveying orders, etc. This
overhead is not a linear function of size.
Fundamentally
with IT this overhead doesn't go away, but the maximal size
at which a company still remains manageable increases.
There is one "driving" aspect of technology - as having
technology becomes mandatory, the technology overhead costs
for smaller businesses tend to be larger, again because of
economies of scale and differentials in variable cost being
low compared to fixed cost, i.e. having an IT installation
that has twice the capacity doesn't cost nearly twice as much
(because it doesn't need twice the equipment and staff).
Actually you did mention the latter aspect. But in the case
you cite it is not only about the equipment and operating
cost of technology, but (by law or de facto) high fixed costs
to manage all kinds of processes and bureaucracy. Again, the
technology is only there to enable or execute the processes
and the complexity.
UNIONDALE, N.Y. - Seeking to meet growing electric demand in the Hamptons with renewable energy,
the Long Island Power Authority approved the nation's largest offshore wind farm on Wednesday,
set for the waters between the eastern tip of Long Island and Martha's Vineyard.
The farm, with as many as 15 turbines capable of powering 50,000 average homes over all, is
the first of several planned by the developer, Deepwater Wind. It will be in a 256-square-mile
parcel, with room for as many as 200 turbines, that the company is leasing from the federal government.
"It is the largest project to date, but it will not be the last project," the power authority's
chief executive, Thomas Falcone, said before the vote as a crowd of supporters erupted in whoops
and applause.
Wind power has struggled to take off in the United States, but the Long Island project signals
that the long-awaited promise of a new, lower-carbon source of electricity is poised to become
part of the national energy mix. ...
... The turbines, each roughly 600 feet tall, would be connected to a substation in East Hampton
by a 50-mile undersea cable. The town has a goal of its own: meeting all of its electric demand
with renewable energy by 2020.
Other offshore wind projects, notably one off Cape Cod, have encountered opposition over their
effect on ocean views. But Deepwater has said the turbines supplying East Hampton would not be
visible from Montauk, on the tip of Long Island, and would barely be visible from Martha's Vineyard,
15 miles away. ...
WE have 135 of those critters in the two townships to the east. At night the simultaneous flash
of 135 airplane beacon lights is kinda cool. Of course we are not Martha's Vineyard here, just
country folks.
Neoliberalism usually does not help countries like Bangladesh as electrification or the rural areas
of the county and creation of the national electrical grid is best done as a state run project. But
those games with PV panels is better then nothing.
Notable quotes:
"... Solar energy is reliable, clean and cheaper in the long run than kerosene and the village's generator. It costs about 3,000 taka ($38) a month for the diesel generator to light a three-room house. But for the solar equipment, Mr. Ali pays 1,355 taka ($17) in monthly installments after a down payment of 6,500 taka ($83) on a loan he expects to pay off within two years. ..."
"... Since 2003, Idcol has installed solar panels in 3.95 million off-grid homes, reaching 18 million people. In terms of individual units served (rather than total wattage), Bangladesh has become one of the world's largest markets for home solar systems. ..."
"... One factor in those comparisons is that solar energy has become a lifeline for low-income Bangladeshis, a great many of whom the grid does not reach. Although its big cities seem bright and bustling, just 25 percent of the population of 160 million have reliable electricity. ..."
"... Since electricity - even in small doses - powers lamps, cellphones, fans, water pumps, health clinics and equipment for businesses, it is critical in improving the lives of the poor. ..."
"... The difference in quality of life between no electricity and even very small amounts of electricity is huge. Cheaper solar panels, controller electronics, and very low power and robust LED lights have been critical to making this possible. ..."
"... Of course, most of these applications also need batteries for power storage. However, water pumps for example can be scheduled to run during the day when sunlight is most intense and solar power output is highest. A fairly modest water pump can eliminate a huge amount of arduous human labor. ..."
In Rural Bangladesh, Solar Power Dents Poverty
By Amy Yee
KAKHIN BIMILE, Bangladesh - Kismat Ali is a 33-year-old mason living in Kakhin Bimile, a village
a few hours drive from Dhaka, Bangladesh's crowded capital. He lives in a large brick home on
a dirt road with his wife, son, parents and five brothers.
This semirural area is off the main electrical grid, so residents rely on kerosene lamps and
electricity from wires strung across the village to a noisy privately owned diesel generator.
It runs about five hours each night.
But Mr. Ali has a new source of electricity he can turn to: solar panels on his corrugated
metal roof. In his home, he flicks a light switch and a bare bulb glows from the ceiling. Mr.
Ali proudly switches on a fan that stirs the stultifying summer air. He says he wants to have
a television one day, but is waiting for an LED TV that would consume less energy than models
available now.
Solar energy is reliable, clean and cheaper in the long run than kerosene and the village's
generator. It costs about 3,000 taka ($38) a month for the diesel generator to light a three-room
house. But for the solar equipment, Mr. Ali pays 1,355 taka ($17) in monthly installments after
a down payment of 6,500 taka ($83) on a loan he expects to pay off within two years.
In rural Bangladesh, especially the coastal southwest, it is common to see tiny solar panels
embedded even in humble thatch-roofed huts. This is mostly the work of Infrastructure Development
Company Limited (Idcol), a government-backed Bangladeshi energy and infrastructure group that
claims more than 90 percent of the country's booming home solar market.
Since 2003, Idcol has installed solar panels in 3.95 million off-grid homes, reaching 18
million people. In terms of individual units served (rather than total wattage), Bangladesh has
become one of the world's largest markets for home solar systems.
By comparison, Selco, a leading solar company in neighboring India, has installed about 350,000
home systems since 1995 in a country of 1.2 billion people. In the United States, even after exponential
growth in solar in recent years, there were just 784,000 home and business solar installations
in 2015.
One factor in those comparisons is that solar energy has become a lifeline for low-income
Bangladeshis, a great many of whom the grid does not reach. Although its big cities seem bright
and bustling, just 25 percent of the population of 160 million have reliable electricity.
Since electricity - even in small doses - powers lamps, cellphones, fans, water pumps,
health clinics and equipment for businesses, it is critical in improving the lives of the poor.
Mahmood Malik, chief executive of Idcol in Dhaka, calls its arrival for the rural poor "a silent
revolution you can't feel sitting in the city." ...
The difference in quality of life between no electricity and even very small amounts of electricity
is huge. Cheaper solar panels, controller electronics, and very low power and robust LED lights
have been critical to making this possible.
Of course, most of these applications also need batteries for power storage. However, water
pumps for example can be scheduled to run during the day when sunlight is most intense and solar
power output is highest. A fairly modest water pump can eliminate a huge amount of arduous human
labor.
And as another benefit, retiring small generators like that, which are among the dirtiest sources
of power.
As I've remarked before, people will voluntarily move to cleaner power when its cheaper and
better. Good to see this happening.
"... Light, sweet crude for March delivery recently fell 90 cents, or 1.67%, to $52.88 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Meanwhile, brent, the global benchmark, dropped $1.02, or 1.8%, to $55.22 a barrel on ICE Futures Europe. ..."
"... We believe the market will soon get the catalyst it has been waiting for to push higher – better inventory stats. Getting ahead of this catalyst is a good risk-reward proposition in our view. ..."
If you were hoping crude oil prices would end the week on a positive note after yesterday's rally,
you're likely to be disappointed.
U.S. and brent crude futures fell Friday as worries about
U.S. drilling activity once again weighed on the market following the release of data showing that
the number of active rigs
rose for a second consecutive week.
Light, sweet crude for March delivery recently fell 90 cents, or 1.67%, to $52.88 a barrel on
the New York Mercantile Exchange. Meanwhile, brent, the global benchmark, dropped $1.02, or 1.8%,
to $55.22 a barrel on ICE Futures Europe.
Crude prices have oscillated between gains and losses over the past several weeks as investor
sentiment has shifted almost daily. OPEC and its allies have so far followed through on promised
production cuts, yet fears linger that U.S. drilling will hurt efforts to curb global supply.
Crude prices
settled Thursday
at their highest prices in several weeks. But today's decline pushed futures contacts into the
red for the week. If U.S. and brent crude contracts settle at current levels, prices will fall more
than 0.6% for the week.
But Vikas Dwivedi and his team at Macquaire recommend increasing
oil exposure, pointing to a tightening sour crude market and storage trends. But he warns that 2018
looks challenging.
We believe the market will soon get the catalyst it has been waiting for to push higher
– better inventory stats. Getting ahead of this catalyst is a good risk-reward proposition in
our view. However, we caution against turning a rally into a structural trade. Our balances
indicate the market is oversupplied again in 2018. Key 2018 drivers include the return of approximately
1.2 MM BPD of post-deal (OPEC and NOPEC ex U.S.) supply and 0.6 MM BPD of U.S. supply growth +
global.
The Energy Select Sector SPDR EnergyETF (XLE)
fell 1.3% in recent market action, while the iShares U.S. Energy ETF (IYE)
dropped 1.2%.
Elsewhere in the ETF realm, the United States Oil Fund (USO)
declined almost 1.8% and the iPath S&P GSCI Crude Oil Total Return Index ETN (OIL
lost 2%. The U.S. Brent Oil Fund (BNO)
also fell 2%.
"... Solar is niche method of producing electricity and will remain as such unless the technological breakthrough are achieved. It will probably never reach over 10% of world electricity production in our life span. ..."
"... A single nuclear reactor with turbines is capable of producing 1,000 megawatts (MW) and there can be a half-dozen of such reactors within a single station, while the largest PV plant which probably costs twice more than a nuclear reactor is limited to around 250 MW for 8 hours a day. ..."
"... At the current technology level CSP plans are probably more viable as they can use molten salts for energy storage and thus continue generating electrical energy in "after sunset" hours ..."
We have a political and an economic problem. Trump campaigned
on trade will try to solve a non-problem. The result will not
be pretty.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Politically, the far left agrees that trade is also the
problem and that reinforces Trump's message and actions. The
far left still wants to fight the NAFTA non-issue and can't
let it go and move on to the real solutions. This cedes the
playing field to Trump. Trade raises powerful emotions and in
the 2016 campaign sucked all the oxygen away from industrial
policy aimed at rust belt and green energy transformation.
That ship has sailed. Trump is not going there. He will
reorganize trade instead. In the next 4 years, China will
dominate the world solar manufacturing and create many new
jobs that could have been in the rust belt. China will be
competitive in the electric car market and may benefit from
Chinese government subsidies that will put American companies
at a disadvantage because BigOil will block subsidies to US
companies. Rust belt voters, living in the past, were
convinced that NAFTA and trade were the problems and were not
willing to listen to messages about economics transformation.
" In the next 4 years, China will dominate the world solar
manufacturing and create many new jobs that could have been
in the rust belt"
I wish Chinese good luck with this. If
they do not have good engineers they need to suffer from
malinvestment.
Solar is niche method of producing electricity and will
remain as such unless the technological breakthrough are
achieved. It will probably never reach over 10% of world
electricity production in our life span.
A single nuclear reactor with turbines is capable of
producing 1,000 megawatts (MW) and there can be a half-dozen
of such reactors within a single station, while the largest
PV plant which probably costs twice more than a nuclear
reactor is limited to around 250 MW for 8 hours a day.
There is a huge issue of ERoEI of PV panels(sorry PV
enthusiasts).
At the current technology level CSP plans are probably
more viable as they can use molten salts for energy storage
and thus continue generating electrical energy in "after
sunset" hours
== quote ==
Solar power is the conversion of sunlight into
electricity, either directly using photovoltaics (PV), or
indirectly using concentrated solar power (CSP). CSP systems
use lenses or mirrors and tracking systems to focus a large
area of sunlight into a small beam.
... ... ...
Commercial CSP plants were first developed in the 1980s.
Since 1985 the eventually 354 MW SEGS CSP installation, in
the Mojave Desert of California, is the largest solar power
plant in the world.
Other large CSP plants include the 150 MW Solnova Solar
Power Station and the 100 MW Andasol solar power station,
both in Spain.
The 250 MW Agua Caliente Solar Project, in the United
States, and the 221 MW Charanka Solar Park in India, are the
world's largest photovoltaic plants.
...In 2013 solar generated less than 1% of the world's
total grid electricity.[58]
== end of quote ==
Percentage of the solar electrical energy production using
PV panels is in single digits right now (may be even less
then 1%) and probably will remain in single digits for the
rest of our lives.
The cost (and the complexity) of integration of wind and
solar into the national grid is tremendous. As Germany
already discovered to their (and especially their neighbors,
grids of which suffered too) great surprise.
Ignoring this cost is a definite "true-believer syndrome".
Please stop posting such nonsense.
There is no sense to exaggerate the value and the future
of solar energy production using PV panels. Even wind is a
better deal.
Trump Revives Keystone Oil Pipeline That Obama Blocked
By PETER BAKER and CORAL DAVENPORT
President Donald J. Trump continued dismantling his
predecessor's policies by clearing the way for a project that
stirred years of debate over the balance between energy
production and preventing climate change.
Barack Obama rejected the proposed 1,179-mile pipeline in
2015, arguing that it would undercut American leadership in
curbing the reliance on carbon energy.
"Studies showed that the pipeline would not have a momentous
impact on jobs or the environment, but both sides made it
into a symbolic test case of American willingness to promote
energy production or curb its appetites to heal the planet."
It does not require a lot of high paying jobs to build a
pipeline. I have no idea about the potential risks to the
environment but I do know that the owners of oil in Canada
wanted to see their prices in line with prices of oil
producers in the North Sea. In other words, more profits.
That is really what this debate is about. Not jobs - just
profits.
"the owners of oil in Canada wanted to see their prices in
line with prices of oil producers in the North Sea"
Nonsense.
The cost for Canadian oil should be higher as oil sands is
a more expensive source of oil then the deep sea drilling.
Also this heavy oil requires dilution.
It might well be that $55 is a minimum for them (actually
depends of the method of extraction used). And average is
probably around $65 or higher. And this is just "break-even"
cost.
== quote ==
The new estimates of plant-gate supply costs: $50.89/bbl
(Can.) for SAGD, $71.81/bbl for stand-alone mining, and
$107.57/bbl for integrated mining. CERI estimates the cost of
stand-alone upgrading at $40.82/bbl.
... ... ..
Total capital requirements during 2014-48 in the oil sands,
excluding those for primary production and EOR, are $597.9
billion (Can.) in the reference case, $636.6 billion in the
high case, and $590.2 billion in the low case.
I have applied the cost model on 3 important Canadian oil sand
producers: Suncor (NYSE:
SU
),
Imperial Oil (NYSEMKT:
IMO
)
and Canadian Oil Sands (
OTCQX:COSWF
).
These companies were together responsible in 2013 for a production of 726k barrel
oil per day from oil sands. All companies are listed on Canadian stock exchanges,
therefore have to comply with accounting standards and to publish regular reports.
Whenever a currency transfer was necessary, I have used CAD1 = US-$0.94. In this
article, I have used the numbers from the company's annual reports for 2013.
By Scott Ferguson, Assistant Professor, University of South
Florida. He is also a Research Scholar at the Binzagr Institute for
Sustainable Prosperity. His current research and pedagogy focus on Modern
Monetary Theory and critiques of neoliberalism, aesthetic theory; the
history of digital animation and visual effects; and essayistic writing
across media platforms. Originally published at
Arcade
James Livingston has responded to
my
critique
of his Aeon essay, "
Fuck
Work
." His response was published in the Spanish magazine
Contexto
y Accion
. One can find an English translation
here
.
What follows is my reply:
... ... ...
This brings me to Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). Far from an "obscure
intellectual trend," MMT is a prominent heterodox school of political
economy that emerged from
post-Keynesian
economics
and has lately influenced the economic platforms of
Bernie
Sanders
,
Jeremy
Corbyn
, and Spain's
United
Left
. For MMT, money is not a private token that states amass and
hemorrhage. Rather, it is a boundless government instrument that can easily
serve the needs of the entire community. International monetary agreements
such the Eurozone's
Maastricht
Treaty
may impose artificial limits on fiscal spending, but these are,
MMT argues, political constraints. They are not economically inevitable and
can immediately be dissolved. In truth, every sovereign polity can afford to
take care of its people; most governments simply choose not to provide for
everyone and feign that their hands are tied.
To be sure, Liberalism has debated the "designation and distribution of
rival goods," as Livingston explains. In doing so, however, it has
overlooked how macroeconomic governance conditions the production of these
goods in the first place. MMT, by contrast, stresses money's creative role
in enabling productive activity and places government's limitless spending
powers at the heart of this process.
In lieu of Liberal "redistribution" via taxation, MMT calls for a
politics of "
predistribution
."
Redistributive politics mitigate wealth disparity by purportedly
transferring money from rich to poor. This is a false and deeply
metaphysical gesture, however, since it mistakes the monetary relation for a
finite resource instead of embracing government's actual spending
capacities. MMT's predistributive politics, meanwhile, insist that
government can never run out of money and that meaningful transformation
requires intervening directly in the institutions and laws that structure
economic activity. MMT does not imply a crude determinism in which
government immediately commands production and distribution. Rather, it
politicizes fiscal spending and the banking system, which together
underwrite the supposedly autonomous civil society that Livingston
celebrates.
MMT maintains, moreover, that because UBI is not sufficiently productive,
it is a passive and ultimately
inflationary
means
to remedy our social and environmental problems. It thus recommends a
proactive and politicized commitment to public employment through a
voluntary
Job
Guarantee
. Federally funded yet operated by
local
governments
and
nonprofits
,
such a system would fund communal and ecological projects that the private
sector refuses to pursue. It would stabilize prices by maintaining aggregate
purchasing power
and
productive activity during market downturns.
What is more, by eliminating forced unemployment, it would eradicate
systemic poverty, increase labor's bargaining power, and improve everyone's
working conditions. In this way, a Job Guarantee would function as a form
of
targeted
universalism
: In improving the lives of particular groups, such a
program would transform the whole of economic life from the bottom up.
Unlike the Job Guarantee, UBI carries no obligation to create or maintain
public infrastructures. It relinquishes capital-intensive projects to the
private sector. It banks on the hope that meager increases in purchasing
power will solve the
systemic
crises
associated with un- and underemployment.
Let us, then, abandon UBI's "end of work" hysteria and confront the
problem of social provisioning head on. There is no escape from our broken
reality. We do better to seize present power structures and transform
collective participation, rather than to reduce politics to cartoonish
oppositions between liberty and tyranny, leisure and toil. Technology is
marvelous. It is no substitute, however, for governance. And while civil
society may be a site of creativity and struggle, it has limited spending
abilities and will always require external support.
It is essential, therefore, to construct an adequate welfare system. On
this matter, Livingston and I agree. But Livingston's retreat from
governance strikes me as both juvenile and self-sabotaging. Such thinking
distracts the left from advancing an effective political program and
building the robust public sector we need.
I really need to be kicked out of the house, to go someplace and do
something I don't really want to do for 8 hours a day.
I've already got too much time to fritter away. I'm fairly certain,
giving me more time and money to make my own choices would not make the
world a better place.
Hmm. No "sarc" tag Really?? More free time and money wouldn't be a
benefit to you and your surroundings? That's hard to believe. To each
their own I guess.
I can see it both ways. Most people see that as sarcasm but I have
more than a few friends whose jobs are probably the only thing keeping
them out of jail. Idle hands being the devil's plaything and all. For
instance, the last thing you want to give a recovering addict is a lot
of free time and money.
As a recovering addict, I must vehemently disagree with ur
statement.
I would love to have as much money and free time on my hands to
work on the fun hobbies that keep me sober like Political Activism,
Blogging, Film, etc.
At no point in the "Job Guarantee" discussion did anyone advocate
forcing you to go to work. However, if you decide to get ambitious and
want a paid activity to do that helps make society a better place to
live, wouldn't it be nice to know that there'd be work available for you
to do?
Right now, that's not so easy to do without lots of effort searching
for available jobs and going through a cumbersome and dispiriting
application process that's designed to make you prove how much you
REALLY, REALLY want the job.
For me, the real silver bullet is the moral/political argument of a
Job Guarantee vs. Basic Income. Job Guarantee gives people a sense of
pride and accomplishment and those employed and their loved ones will
vigorously defend it against those who would attack them as 'moochers'.
Also, defenders can point to the completed projects as added ammunition.
Basic income recipients have no such moral/political defense.
The guaranteed jobs could be for a 20 or 30 hour week. I fear they
won't be as most job guarantee advocates seem to be Calvinists who
believe only work gets you into heaven though.
"MMT, by contrast, stresses money's creative role in enabling productive
activity and places government's limitless spending powers at the heart of
this process."
" [money] is a boundless government instrument "
Limitless spending power is identical to infinite spending powers. If
this is a central tenet of MMT, the whole conceptual construct can easily be
disproved by reductio ad absurdum.
"And while civil society may be a site of creativity and struggle, it has
limited spending abilities and will always require external support."
Sure, the support of Nature, but I guess the author is referring to Big
Brother, the all-knowing and benevolent government, source and creator of
all money, indispensable provider of jobs, jobs, jobs.
Before there was nothing, then came the Government and the Government
said: let there be money.
I would like to see you do that via "reductio ad absurdum" because I
find you absolutely clueless regarding MMT's propositions. Maybe you just
like to spout off?
It's a common 'argument' by people defending status quo. They claim
something is ridiculous and easily disproven and then leave it at
that. They avoid making argument that are specific enought to be
countered, because thay know they don't actually have a leg to stand
on.
Limitless may not have been the best word. Of course the government
can print money till the cows come home; but MMT recommends stopping when
you approach the real resource constraint.
Sloppy language does not help so thank you. So the next question is
how do constraints (natural or other) affect spending power under MMT,
is it asymptotic, is there an optimum, discontinuities?
The other major issue is that although spending power is controlled
by legislatures it must be recognized that wealth creation starts with
the work of people and physical capital, not by the good graces of
gov't. MMT makes it sound as if money exists just because gov't wills
it to exist, which is true in the sense of printing pieces of paper
but not in the sense of actual economic production and wealth
creation. Taxes are not the manner in which gov't removes money but it
really is the cost of gov't sitting on top of the economic production
by people together with physical capital.
Help me understand your last sentence. So, if I'm a farmer, the
time I spend digging the field is economic production, but the time
I spend sitting at my desk planing what to plant and deciding which
stump to remove next and how best to do it, and the time I spend
making deals with the bank etc, these are all unproductive hours
that make no contribution to my economic production?
Yes, Jamie. And as you point out, Ferguson is giving us a
better definition of "productive". He is not saying productivity
produces profits – he is saying productive work fixes things and
makes them better. But some people never get past that road bump
called "productivity."
"MMT makes it sound as if money exists just because gov't wills
it to exist "
No, this is inaccurate, MMT says that the government must SPEND
money into existence, not just issue a legal fiat. Collecting taxes
in the currency creates a need for the currency. This is
historically accurate and can be traced from British colonial
history. They imposed taxes on the colonies in pound sterling, that
compelled the colonies to find something to export to Britain in
order to generate the foreign exchange to pay the taxes.
The debate is over how to get the currency in people's hands.
Should the govt just cut checks and let citizens spend as they see
fit? Or should the government directly employ resources to improve
society where the private sector isn't interested?
Regarding user Jamie's point, I hope I can add to it by saying
that someone is going to do the planning, whether it's the public
sector or the private sector, planning must be done. When
government does the planning, then it's decided democratically (at
least in theory). If the government doesn't do the planning, then
the private sector is left to do it on its own. This gets chaotic
if the private sector doesn't coordinate, or can get parasitic if
the private sector colludes against public interest.
I don't think there's anything wrong with calling money a
"boundless government instrument". The problem here comes from
confounding a potentially infinite resource (money) with the
inherently limited application of that resource. Sovereign money
really is limitless, what one can do with it is not. The distinction
needs to be clarified and emphasized, not glossed over.
"Limitless" is a pretty good word for some arguments. Look what you
get with "limited": every year congress up and says, "Hey dudes,
dudettes, we know you expected some governing from us, but we've
decided not to do that, because we've decided that the money we've
spent has taken us past the Debt Limit. So we're gonna stop now."
They're jerking you around. The rules of fiat money that they're using
don't work that way. In fact, Richard Nixon took the U.S. into a full
fiat money system so he could keep governing without having to worry
about running out of money to do it with.
International monetary agreements such the Eurozone's Maastricht
Treaty may impose artificial limits on fiscal spending, but these are,
MMT argues, political constraints. They are not economically
inevitable and can immediately be dissolved.
So no, not limitless. Rather, the limitations are political ones, not
economic. As long as the sovereignty of the currency is not in threat,
the money supply can be increased.
The author is making some assumptions, and then goes and takes them
apart. It's possilble (I didn't read the article he refers to), that the
assumptions he responds to directly are made by the article, but that
doesn't make them universal assumptions about UBI.
UBI is not a single exact prescription – and in the same way, JG is not a
single exact prescription. The devil, in both cases, is in details. In fact,
there is not reason why JG and UBI should be mutually exclusive as a number
of people are trying to tell us.
and if we talk about governance – well, the super-strong governance that
JG requires to function properly is my reason why I'd prefer a strong UBI to
most JG.
Now and then we get a failed UBI example study – I'm not going to look at
that. But the socialist regimes of late 20th century are a prime example of
failed JG. Unlike most visitor or writers here, I had the "privilege" to
experience them first hand, and thanks but no thanks. Under the socialist
regimes you had to have a job (IIRC, the consitutions stated you had "duty"
to work). But that become an instrument of control. What job you could have
was pretty tightly controlled. Or, even worse, you could be refused any job,
which pretty much automatically sent you to prison as "not working
parasite".
I don't expect that most people who support JG have anything even
remotely similar in mind, but the governance problems still stay. That is,
who decides what jobs should be created? Who decides who should get what
job, especially if not all jobs are equal (and I don't mean just equal pay)?
Can you be firedt from your JG job if you go there just to collect your
salary? (The joke in the socialist block was "the government pretends to pay
us, we pretend to work"). Etc. etc.
All of the above would have to be decided by people, and if we should
know something, then we should know that any system run by people will be,
sooner or later, corrupted. The more complex it is, the easier it is to
corrupt it.
Which is why I support (meaningfull, meaning you can actually live on it,
not just barely survive) Basic Income over JG. The question for me is more
whether we can actually afford a meaningful one, because getting a "bare
survival one" does more damage than good.
That's why any JG would have to be filtered through local governments
or, more ideally, non-profit community organizations, and not a
centralized government. New York City's
Summer Youth Employment Program
offers a good model for this. Block
grants of money are delivered to a wide range of community organizations,
thus ensuring no one group has a monopoly, and then individual
businesses, other community groups, schools, non-profits, etc., apply to
the community organizations for an "employee" who works for them, but the
payment actually comes from the block grant. The government serves as the
deliverer of funds, and provides regulatory oversight to make sure no
abuses are taking place, but does not pick and choose the jobs/employers
themselves.
I don't see it as either/or. Provide a UBI and a job guarantee. The job
would pay over and above the UBI bit, if for some reason, you don't want to
work or cannot, you still have your Universal BASIC Income as the floor
through which you cannot fall.
Private employers will have to offer better conditions and pay to
convince people getting UBI to work for them. They wouldn't be able to
mistreat workers because they could simply bolt because they will not fall
into poverty if they quit. The dirtbags needing workers won't be able to
overpay themselves at the expense of workers because they feel completely
free to leave if you are a self worshipping douche.
It seems that over time the "floor through which you cannot fall"
becomes just that, the floor, as the effect of a UBI becomes the
universal value, well floor.
Was going to be my response as well, why such absolute yes or no
thinking? The benefit of the UBI is that is recognizes that we have been
increasing productivity for oh the last couple millenia for a REASON! To
have more leisure time! Giving everyone the opportunity to work more and
slave away isn't much of a consolation. We basically have a jobs
guarantee/floor right now, its called McDonalds, and no one wants it.
Labor needs a TON of leverage, to get us back to a reasonable
Scandinavian/Aussie standard of living. Much more time off, much better
benefits, higher wages in general. UBI provides this, it says screw you
employers unless you are willing to offer reasonable conditions we are
going to stay home.
Why the Job Guarantee versus Universal Basic Income is not about work,
BUT ABOUT GOVERNANCE!
Yep, agree 100%.
We live in a capitalist society which is dependent on a (wage) slave
population.
UBI? Are you mad?
I for one am mad, give me UBI!
Time to end the insanity of U.S. capitalism
I'm curious to know if either of these systems work if there is no
guarantee of "free" access to healthcare through single-payer or a national
insurance? I'm only marginally informed about UBI or MMT, and haven't found
adequate information regarding either as to how healthcare is addressed. It
seems clear that neither could work in the US, specifically for the reason
that any UBI would have to be high enough to pay insane insurance premiums,
and cover catastrophic illnesses without pushing someone into bankruptcy.
Can anyone clarify, or point me in the direction of useful information on
this?
I think they're basically separate issues although MMT provides a way
of thinking that federal single payer is possible.
MMT is basically anti-austerity and in favor of 'smart' deficits ie
not deficits for no reason but deficits that can improve the economy and
the overall social structure such as single payer, affordable education,
job guarantee program.
Stephanie Kelton has commented that MMT has no real problem with a UBI
if it is done in conjunction with a good job guarantee program. She is
well aware of the dangers of a UBI if it eliminates most other social
programs.
I think that a job guarantee at a living wage would provide a much
better standard for private employment than a UBI which could just work
as a supplement allowing private industry to pay lower wages. As a
supplement to a job guarantee a UBI could help address issues such as
payment for reproductive type work.
There are different flavors of UBI, most don't mention healthcare at
all. Milton Friedman's UBI flavor prefers that it replace all government
spending on social welfare to reduce the government's overall burden. MMT
says there is no sense in not having single payer.
My thought on the last thread of this nature is that if UBI were ever
enacted in the U.S., healthcare access would become restricted to those
with jobs (and the self-employeed with enough spare income to pay for
it). You don't have to be healthy to collect a subsistence payment from
to the government.
Here in Canada we have universal healthcare, as well as a basic income
guarantee for low income families with children and seniors. There is a
movement to extend that as well,
details of one plan here
.
In theory, I think it could be possible for the JG to build and staff
hospitals and clinics on a non-profit basis or at least price-controlled
basis, if so directed (*huge* question, of course - by what agency? govt?
local councils?). Ditto housing, schools, infrastructure, all kinds of
socially useful and pleasant stuff. However, the way the US tends to do
things, I would expect instead that a BIG or a JG would, as others have
pointed out, simply enable employers to pay less, and furthermore,
subsidize the consumption of overpriced goods and services. IOW, a repeat
of the ACA, just a pump to get more $$ to the top.
The problem is not the money, but that the Americans govern themselves
so poorly. No idea what the cure could be for that.
Fixing worker pay is actually VERY easy. It's purely a political
issue. You tie corporate taxes to worker compensation. More
specifically, you set the maximum compensation for CEOs at NO MORE
than (say) 50x average worker pay in their corporation (INCLUDING
temps AND off-shored workers IN US DOLLARS no passing the buck to Temp
Agencies or claiming that $10/day in hellhole country x is equivalent
to $50k in the US. NO, it is $10/day or $3650/yr, period). At 50x,
corporate taxation is at the minimum (say something like 17%). The
corporation is free to pay their top exec more than 50x but doing so
will increase the corporate tax to 25%. You could make it step-wise:
51-60x average worker pay = 25% corporate tax, 61-80x = 33% corporate
tax, etc.
It is time to recognize that CEO pay is NOT natural or earned at
stratospheric levels. THE best economic times in the US were between
the 50s to early 70s when top tax rates were much higher AND the
average CEO took home maybe 30x their average worker pay. We CAN go
back to something like that with policy. Also, REQUIRE that labor have
reps on the Board of Directors, change the rules of incorporation so
it is NOT mainly focused on "maximizing profit or shareholder value".
It must include returning a social good to the local communities
within which corporations reside. Profits and maximizing shareholder
value must be last (after also minimizing social/environmental harm).
Violate the rules and you lose your corporate charter.
There is no right to be a corporation. Incorporation is a privilege
that is extended by government. The Founders barred any corporate
interference in politics, and if a corporation broke the law, it lost
its charter and the corporate officers were directly held responsible
for THEIR actions. Corporations don't do anything, people in charge of
corporations make the decisions and carry out the actions so NO MORE
LLCs. If you kill people due to lax environmental protections or
worker safety, etc, then the corporate officers are DIRECTLY and
personally responsible for it. THEY made it happen, not some ethereal
"corporation".
Durned hippys imagine an IRON boot stamping on a once human face –
forever. OK, now everybody back to the BIG house. Massa wanna reed yew sum
Bible verses. We're going to be slaves to the machines, ya big silly!
I'm sceptical whether a guaranteed job policy would actually work in
reality. There are plenty of historical precedents – for example, during the
Irish potato famine because of an ideological resistence to providing direct
aid, there were many 'make work' schemes. You can still see the results all
along the west coast of Ireland – little harbours that nobody has ever used,
massive drainage schemes for tiny amounts of land, roads to nowhere. It
certainly helped many families survive, but it also meant that those
incapacitated by starvation died as they couldn't work. It was no panacea.
There are numerous practical issues with make work schemes. Do you create
a sort of 2-layer public service – with one level permanent jobs, the other
a variety of 'temporary' jobs according to need? And if so, how do you deal
with issues like:
1. The person on a make work scheme who doesn't bother turning up till 11
am and goes home at 2.
2. Regional imbalances where propering region 1 is desperately short of
workers while neighbouring region 2 has thousands of surplus people sweeping
streets and planting trees.
3. What effect will this have on business and artistic innovation?
Countries with strong welfare systems such as Sweden also tend to have a
very high number of start ups because people can quit their jobs and devote
themselves to a couple of years to develop that business idea they always
had, or to start a band, or try to make a name as a painter.
4. How do you manage the transition from 'make-work' to permanent jobs
when the economy is on the up, but people decide they prefer working in
their local area sweeping the street?
I can see just as many practical problems with a job guarantee as with
universal income. Neither solution is perfect – in reality, some sort of mix
would be the only way I think it could be done effectively.
To provide some context for passers-by, this seemingly too-heated
debate is occurring in the context of the upcoming Podemos policy meeting
in Spain, Feb 10-12.. Podemos seems to have been unaware of MMT, and has
subscribed to sovereign-economy-as-household policies. Ferguson, along
with elements of the modern left, has been trying to win Podemos over to
MMT-based policies like a Jobs Guarantee rather than the Basic Income
scheme they have heretofore adopted rather uncritically.
(Of course Spain is far from "sovereign", but that's another matter
:-(
1) Fire them
2) Prospering region 1 isn't "short on workers" they just all have
private jobs.
3) What a good argument to also have single payer healthcare and some
sort of BIG as well as the JG
4) private companies must offer a better compensation package. One of the
benefits of the JG is that it essentially sets the minimum wage.
Yeah, those are pretty good answers right off the bat. (Obviously I
guess for #1 they can reapply in six months or something.)
Plutonium- I feel like true progress is trading shitty problems for
less shitty ones. I can't see any of the major proponents like Kelton,
Wray or Mitchell ever suggesting that the JG won't come with it's own
new sets of challenges. On the overly optimistic side though: you
could look at that as just necessitating more meaningful JG jobs
addressing those issues.
I was writing that on my phone this morning. Didn't have time to
go into great detail. Still, I wanted to point out that just
because there will be additional complexities with a JG, doesn't
mean there aren't reasonable answers.
1. If you fire them its not a jobs guarantee. Many people have
psychological/social issues which make them unsuitable for regular
hours jobs. If you don't have a universal basic income, and you don't
have an absolute jobs guarantee, then you condemn them and their
families to poverty.
2. The area is 'short on workers' if it is relying on a surplus
public employee base for doing things like keeping the streets clean
and helping out in old folks homes. It is implicit in the use of
government as a source of jobs of last resort that if there is no
spare labour, then you will have nobody to do all the non-basic works
and you will have no justification for additional infrastructure
spend.
3. You miss the point. A basic income allows people time and
freedom to be creative if they choose. When the Conservatives in the
early 1990's in the UK restricted social welfare to under 25's, Noel
Gallagher of Oasis predicted that it would destroy working class rock
n roll, and leave the future only to music made by rich kids. He was
proven right, which is why we have to listen to Coldplay every time we
switch on the radio.
4. This ignores the reality that jobs are never spread evenly
across regions. One of the biggest problems in the US labour market is
that the unemployed often just can't afford to move to where the jobs
are available. A guaranteed job scheme organised on local govenment
basis doesn't address this, if anything it can exacerbate the problem.
And the simplest and easiest way to have a minimum wage is to have a
minimum wage.
1) Kelton always talks about a JG being for people "willing and
able to work." If you are not willing I don't really have much
sympathy for you. If you are not able due to psychological factors
or disability, then we can talk about how you get on welfare or the
BIG/UBI. The JG can't work in a vacuum. It can't be the only social
program.
2) Seems unrealistic. You are just searching to find something
wrong. If there is zero public employment, that means private
employment is meeting all labor demands.
3) I have no idea what you are going on about. I'm in a band. I
also have a full-time job. I go see local music acts all the time.
There are a few that play music and don't work because they have
rich parents, but that's the minority. Most artists I know manage
to make art despite working full time. I give zero shits what
corporate rock is these days. If you don't like what's on the radio
turn it off. There are thousands of bands you've never heard of. Go
find them.
4) Again, you are just searching for What-If reasons to crap on
the JG. You try to keep the jobs local. Or you figure out free
transportation. There are these large vehicles called busses which
can transport many people at once.
Yes these are all valid logistical problems to solve, but you
present them like there are no possible solutions. I can come up
with several in less than 5 minutes.
For a more practical first step--how about getting rid of/slashing
regressive and non-federal income tax deductible sales taxes? shifting that
tax burden to where income growth has been.
Democratic Party-run states/cities are the biggest offenders when it
comes to high sales taxes.
universal basic income in the West + de facto open borders won't work.
just making a reasonable hypothesis.
There might be a psychological benefit to a jobs guarantee vs. UBI. There
are a lot of people that would much rather "earn" their income rather than
directly receiving it.
Which of these tools do you posess:
( ) Machete, pick-axe, big old hemp bag
( ) Scattergun, hound, mirrored shades
( ) Short-shorts, bandeau top, knee pads
( ) RealTree camo ACUs, FLIR scope
( ) ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, fast car
A JG would begin to rebuild the trust and cooperation needed to have a
society based on justice instead of might makes right. Human life is based
on obligations- we are all responsible to one another for the social system
to work. The problem is always about how to deal with cheaters and shirkers.
This problem is best solved by peer pressure and shaming- along with a
properly functioning legal system.
I get a kick out of the "make work" argument against a JG. With planned
obsolescence as the foundation of our economic system, it's just a more
sophisticated way of digging holes and filling them in again. Bring on
robotic automation, and the capitalist utopia is reached. Soul crushing,
pointless labor can be sidelined and replaced with an unthinking and
unfeeling machine in order to generate profits. The one problem is people
have no money to buy the cheep products. To solve that dilemma, use the
sovereign governments power to provide spending credits in the form of a
UBI. Capitalism is saved from is own contradictions- the can is kicked
farther down the road.
The obligations we have to one another must be defined before any system
organization can take place. Right now, the elite are trying to have their
cake and eat it too.
I agree with those who see a need for both programs. I think the critique
of UBI here is a good one, that raises many valid points. But I have trouble
with a portion of it. For instance:
by eliminating forced unemployment, it would eradicate systemic
poverty
treats 'poverty' as an absolute when it is a relative. No matter what
programs are in place, there will always be a bottom tier in our
hierarchical society and those who constitute it will always be
'impoverished' compared to those in higher tiers. This is the nature of the
beast. Which is why I prefer to talk about subsistence level income and
degrees above subsistence. The cost of living may not be absolutely fixed
over time, but it seems to me to be more meaningful and stable than the term
'poverty'. On the other hand, in a rent seeking economy, giving people an
income will not lift them out of poverty because rents will simply be
adjusted to meet the rise in resources. So UBI without rent control is
meaningless.
Another point is that swapping forced unemployment for forced employment
seems to me to avoid some core issues surrounding how society provides for
all its members. Proponents of the JG are always careful to stress that no
one is forced to work under the JG. They say things like, "jobs for everyone
who wants one". But this fails to address the element of coercion that
underlies the system. If one has no means to provide for oneself (i.e. we
are no longer a frontier with boundless land that anyone can have for cheap
upon which they may strike out and choose the amount of labor they
contribute to procure the quality of life they prefer-if ever was such the
case), then jobs for "everyone who wants one" is simply disingenuous. There
is a critical "needs" versus "wants" discussion that doesn't generally come
up when discussing JG. It's in there, of course, but it is postponed until
the idea is accepted to the point where setting an actual wage becomes an
issue. But even then, the wage set will bear on the needs versus wants of
the employed, but leaves out those foolish enough to not "want" a job.
Whereas, in discussing UBI, that discussion is front and center (since even
before accepting the proposal people will ask, how much?, and proper reasons
must be given to support a particular amount-which again brings us to
discussing subsistence and degrees above it-the discussion of subsistence or
better is "baked in" to the discussion about UBI in a way that it is not
when discussing the JG).
While UBI interests me as a possible route to a non-"means of
production"-based economy, the problem I see with it is that it could easily
reduce the populace to living to consume. Given enough funds to provide for
the basics of living, but not enough to make any gains within society, or
affect change. It's growth for growth's sake, not as to serve society.
Something is needed to make sure people aren't just provided for, but have
the ability to shape the direction of their society and communities.
Where I work @3/4 of the staff already receives social security and yet
it is not enough seems to me human satisfaction is boundless and providing
a relative minimum paper floor for everyone is just. Yet the way our market
is set up, this paper floor would be gobbled back up by the rentier class
anyway. So unless there is a miraculous change in our economic rent capture
policies, we are screwed
So yes, just describe to people precisely what it is – a 'paper' floor
not something that has firm footing yet acknowledges inequities inherent in
our current currency distribution methods. And of course couple this with a
jobs guarantee. I have met way too many people in my life that 'fall through
the cracks' .
why is no one bemoaning the rabid over-consumption of the complainers who
suck up much more than they will ever need, hoarding and complaining about
people who do not have enough? the real problem is rampant out of control
parasites
But Ferguson should also adknowledge that Livingston has some points.
Why on earth we politically put limits to, for instance, public
earning-spending while do not put any limit to the net amount that one
person can earn, spend and own?
Upward redistribution is what occurs in the neoliberal framework. UBI is
distribution. Bear in mind that even in the best employment conditions, not
everybody can earn a salary. 100% employment is unrealistic.
The people marketing UBI and MMT have hundreds of years of attempted
social engineereing to overcome. I referring to the " why people want what
they want and why do they believe what they believe." Why?
The only suggestion I have is that, since everybody has a different
relationship to the concept of work, the populations involved need to be
smaller. Not necessarily fewer people, but more regions or nation states
that are actually allowed to try their ideas without being attacked by any
existing "empire" or "wanna be empire" via sanctions or militarily.
It is going to take many differerent regions, operating a variety of
economic systems (not the globalized private banking extraction method
pushed down every one's throat whether they like it or not) that people can
gravitate in and out of freely.
People would have the choice to settle in the region that has rules and
regulations that work most for their lives and belief systems (which can
change over time).
Looking at it from the perspective that there can be only one system that
300 million plus people (like the USA) or the world must be under is the
MAIN problem of social engineering. There needs to be space carved out for
these many experiments.
First, congratulations to everyone who managed to read this all the way
through. IMO both this (and the guy he's responding to), seem like someone
making fun of academic writing. Perhaps with the aid of a program that spits
out random long words.
FWIW, when I lived in Japan, they had a HUGE, construction-based
make-work program there, and it was the worst of both worlds: hard physical
labor which even the laborers knew served no purpose, PLUS constant street
obstruction/noise for the people in the neighborhoods of these make-work
projects. Not to mention entire beautiful mountains literally concreted over
in the name of 'jawbs'.
Different thought: I'm not sold on UBI either, but wouldn't it mess up
the prostitution/sex trafficking game, almost as a side effect? Has anyone
heard UBI fans promote it on that basis?
The sound and fury of disagreement is drowning out what both authors
agree on: guaranteed material standards of living and reduced working time.
If that's the true goal, we should say so explicitly and hammer out the
details of the best way to attain it.
Interesting read society has become so corrupt at every level from
personal up through municipal, regional and federal governments that it cant
even identify the problem, let alone a solution
all forms of government and their corresponding programs will fail until
that government is free from the monetary influences of individuals /
corporations and military establishments, whether it be from donations to a
political establishment or kick backs to politicians and legislators or
government spending directed to buddies and cohorts
I don't pretend to understand the arguments at the level to which they
are written, but at the basic level of true governance it must but open and
honest, this would allow the economy to function and be evaluated, and then
at that point we could offer up some ideas on how to enhance areas as needed
or scale back areas that were out of control or not adding value to society
as a whole
We stand at a place that has hundreds of years of built in corruption
into the model, capable so far of funneling money to the top regardless of
the program implemented by the left or the right sides of society
first step is to remove all corruption and influence from governance at
every level until then all the toils toward improvement are pointless as no
person has witnessed a "free market " in a couple hundred years, all
economic policy has been slanted by influence and corruption
we can not fix it until we actually observe it working, and it will never
work until it is free of bias / influence
no idea how we get there . our justice system is the first step in
repairing any society
Setting aside ground water contamination issues associated
with fracking, barring a major reduction in per capita energy
use even if (when) you replace coal with natural gas the CO2
emission rate is still a problem. Switching to non-fossil
fuel sources needs to be on the to-do list.
EPA said fracking isn't having "widespread, systematic
impacts on drinking water."
Even with non-fossil fuel
sources, C02 emissions rate will still be a problem. You
still need to build the wind turbines and transport them to
locations, you can't get do that until the transportation
sector reduces emissions.
My impression is that the current price of natural gas in
the USA is unsustainable. It is a kind of "subprime gas".
A side effect (externality if you wish) of fracking is
junk bonds bubble. At one point anybody with a lease can get
a loan to drill. Not that different from subprime, just much
smaller. Many people are not aware about it.
In physics, energy economics, and ecological energetics, energy returned on energy invested
(EROEI or ERoEI); or energy return on investment (EROI), is the ratio of the amount of usable
energy (the exergy) delivered from a particular energy resource to the amount of exergy used to
obtain that energy resource.[1][2] It is a distinct measure from energy efficiency as it does
not measure the primary energy inputs to the system, only usable energy.
A fuel or energy must have an EROEI ratio of at least 3:1 to be considered viable as a prominent
fuel or energy source.[3][4]
EROEI = (Energy Delivered)/(Energy Required to Deliver that Energy)
When the EROEI of a resource is less than or equal to one, that energy source becomes a net "energy
sink", and can no longer be used as a source of energy, but depending on the system might be useful
for energy storage (for example a battery). A related measure Energy Store On Energy Invested
(ESOEI) is used to analyze storage systems.[6][7]
This article does a good job of introducing a very complex subject, but a bad job of actually
comparing alternatives. As the author lays out, there are EROIs, FERs, EERs and other measures
of energy balance that all have different boundaries and tell a different story. One cannot cherry-pick
one source's EROI to compare with another's EER. It is long past time, but the physics community
is finally getting involved.
There is an excellent paper just published that goes the furthest yet in developing a rigorous,
apples-to-apples comparison of electrical power generations alternatives (Weißbach et al. "Energy
Intensities, EROIs (energy Returned on Invested), and Energy Payback Times of Electricity Generating
Power Plants." Energy 52 (April 1, 2013): 210–221. doi:10.1016/j.energy.2013.01.029).
The key they have found is to normalize not just across power quantity, but also quality.
A key aspect of quality is "usability," which is the degree to which the supply of power matches
the real-time demand. Intermittent and invariable baseload power sources must be adjusted for
the amount of buffering necessary to match their output to the real world of variable demand.
The study authors did this by requiring each source to have the overcapacity and storage necessary
to be compatible with a large international European grid scenario, and they used pumped-hydro
power storage parameters since it is today's most cost-effective option for storage and buffering.
The study is behind a paywall but the results have been posted online and are being updated as
newer data is reviewed (
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aux2QwQckeWEdE9UbHNKR3l6THItNi1RTUdxa1RrdUE#gid=0).
In their analysis, they found that a minimum EROI of 7:1 was necessary for economic viability.
With that in mind, here are their results:
Between 2008 and 2013, China's fledgling solar-electric panel industry dropped world prices by
80 percent, a stunning achievement in a fiercely competitive high-tech market. China had leapfrogged
from nursing a tiny, rural-oriented solar program in the 1990s to become the globe's leader in what
may soon be the world's largest renewable energy source.
The future is renewable electric. Dirty BigOil is the past.
BigAuto knows it is true. Everyone is working on electric autos.
"The future is renewable electric. Dirty BigOil is the past.
BigAuto knows it is true. Everyone is working on electric autos."
This is not IT, and you are wrong. For private car fleet eclectic might be OK outside of
northern states (where you can freeze in the electrical car in winter) and might be even preferred
solution for southern states if (and only if) the Federal government provides a couple of hundred
billion for the grid upgrade. That's much less that was spend on Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
So I think this is doable.
The key problem is that the current grid is unable of delivering the necessary among of
electricity at night (where most of eclectic car should be charged) if the density of electrical
cars become sizable, let's say one out of ten.
At this moment you need not only expand "renewable" energy capacity (wind and solar, preferably
wind) but also to build a lot of "buffer" gas fired generating stations to balance wind and
solar energy stream and accommodate "bad days" (no wind, no sun) as well as high voltage East-West
lines to take advantage of solar output dependence on the time zone.
To charge 24KW Leaf battery you need 24/8=3 KW/h socket in your house. At 110v that's 27
ampere. Something like an eclectic stove up all the night or additional three 1 KW air conditioners.
That's a lot ...
Solar capacity is growing
exponentially in this country. Prices for installed capacity
have collapsed at a Moore's Law-like rate. Employment in the
sector is large and expanding. It employs more people than
the coal industry.
Tom says solar entrepreneurship has always "ended badly",
but I think he is looking at the wrong metrics. Over
enthusiastic investors have lost a bunch on solar, but the
benefit to the American people is great.
Similarly, if we just focus on comparatives with China we
can also find bad things, like how they are installing more
capacity and net exporters of panels. But again those are not
great metrics. Panel manufacturing is now so inexpensive that
its commodified and there is little profit in it. Smile curve
stuff. And their advantage in installed capacity and capacity
growth is a huge net positive for the world's climate. We
should try to catch up, not because we need to beat them, but
rather because we all need to get clean.
You said it had always ended badly in the past, but in the
past we've seen collapsing prices and rising employment and
capacity, which in a big picture view is a huge success
already.
Like I said ... it depends on the metrics one
looks at.
== quote ==
In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion
kilowatthours of electricity.1 About 67% of the electricity
generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and
petroleum).
Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S.
electricity generation in 2015:1
• Coal = 33%
• Natural gas = 33%
• Nuclear = 20%
• Hydropower = 6%
• Other renewables = 7% • Biomass = 1.6%
• Geothermal = 0.4%
• Solar = 0.6%
• Wind = 4.7%
It might well be that "human induced climate change"
enthusiasts are barking to the wrong tree.
Oil depletion might take care of the "climate change" (as
well as "excessive" humans) even without Trump or and other
politician. This is probably a matter of a decade or two.
The key here is proactive switching the use private car
fleet to more economical models and without draconian
measures such as $4 per gallon gas or $1K per cubic
centimeter of engine volume tax the process is very slow.
Obama administration was pretty inactive in this area,
despite all rhetoric.
There is no justification of using full size SUV or light
truck for communizing to work unless you agree to pay extra
for this privilege.
"... Saudi Arabia's oil minister Khalid Al-Falih says it may not be necessary to extend the deal reached by the group and some non-member nations to cut oil supply by around 1.8 million barrels a day beyond its initial six months, and that doing so could create a shortage. That seems a very quick and painless solution to an oversupply problem that has bedeviled the oil market for the past two years, brought several producers to the brink of collapse and tipped others over it. ..."
"... Saudi oil usage has dropped as natural gas replaces around a third of what it uses for power generation ..."
"... But that changed last year. The start-up of the Wasit gas plant allowed the kingdom to slash the use of crude in power generation by as much as a third -- freeing that oil up for export. In addition, the kingdom cut fuel subsidies, pushing down oil consumption by 2 percent year-on-year in the first eleven months of 2016. That's the first dip since at least 2003, when JODI records begin. ..."
"... In other words oil producers can not afford more then a decade or so with the current oil prices. That means the price in 2026 should be closer to $100 then to $50 per barrel. ..."
"... Also existing wells decline at the rate that can vary from 2% to 16% per year (shale oil) unless you use infill drilling and other measures to stem the decline. The latter requires money or access to junk bond market (business model for the USA shale oil producers). ..."
"OPEC's big drama may well be just a one-act light opera.
Saudi Arabia's oil minister Khalid Al-Falih says it
may not be necessary to extend the deal reached by the group
and some non-member nations to cut oil supply by around 1.8
million barrels a day beyond its initial six months, and that
doing so could create a shortage. That seems a very quick and
painless solution to an oversupply problem that has bedeviled
the oil market for the past two years, brought several
producers to the brink of collapse and tipped others over it.
It took a lot for the Saudis to agree to this deal in
November, but the rationale seemed at least to make sense.
Brimming supply had created financial difficulties for the
kingdom, and also complicated the forthcoming IPO of a small
part of Saudi Aramco.
Saudi Crude Exports
Crude oil exports hit a 13-year high in November, as OPEC
met to agree output cuts
Graphic
The latest numbers from the Joint Organisations Data
Initiative offer a different, and compelling, narrative. It
turns out that, as the deal was being thrashed out, Saudi
Arabia was enjoying a 35-year high in total oil exports.
One big factor was a huge drop in the amount of oil the
country needs to burn to generate electricity. The punishing
Saudi summers boost demand for electricity -- mostly to run
air-conditioners -- to a level that previously required vast
amounts of oil-fired generating capacity to be brought into
use. The direct burning of crude oil in power stations would
roughly double to about 900,000 barrels a day at the height
of the season.
Burning Crude
Saudi oil usage has dropped as natural gas replaces
around a third of what it uses for power generation
Graphic
But that changed last year. The start-up of the Wasit
gas plant allowed the kingdom to slash the use of crude in
power generation by as much as a third -- freeing that oil up
for export. In addition, the kingdom cut fuel subsidies,
pushing down oil consumption by 2 percent year-on-year in the
first eleven months of 2016. That's the first dip since at
least 2003, when JODI records begin.
This left Saudi Arabia with an embarrassment of riches as
the OPEC negotiations were underway last year. Unless it cut
output, it would start flooding the market during the first
half of 2017. The stars were aligned for it to solve the
problem by persuading others to share the burden in a way
that has not been seen since the financial crisis of 2008,
while at the same time restoring its credentials as a team
player within OPEC.
Demand Contraction
We really don't know, and never will, what the true Saudi
motivation for agreeing to production cuts was or is. But
this new read on the Saudis' motivations for agreeing to the
deal has the benefit of explaining why Al-Falih is looking
for a six-month time line and why the kingdom has been
prepared to make such a deep cut in its production. Its
surplus will have disappeared by that time, at which point it
can start to boost production again in order to get exports
back to the level it wants to maintain.
Such a move could easily be the catalyst for the whole
deal to fall apart by June. And there's no way the global
backlog of inventory will be dealt with at that time. This
seems a situation designed to antagonize the rest of the
group and create a raft of bad feeling.
If maintaining exports is more important to Saudi Arabia
than balancing the market, then so is a willingness to back
out on a hard-won deal that took the kingdom and its partners
a lot of political capital to achieve."
'This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of
Bloomberg LP and its owners'
*Julian Lee is an oil strategist for Bloomberg First Word.
Previously he worked as a senior analyst at the Centre for
Global Energy Studies
"*Julian Lee is an oil strategist for Bloomberg First Word.
Previously he worked as a senior analyst at the Centre for
Global Energy Studies"
That tells you a lot. Bloomberg
playing oil short for the last two and half years and
probably will continue to do so.
For Us shale oil "break even" price is over $55. For oil
sands this "price red line" is probably higher -- $65 per
barrel or more.
One cent lower gas prices for a year mean one billion
saved for the USA economy. So this "oil stimulus" for the
last two and half years of Obama presidency was simply
enormous. And in this sense playing Iran card was probably
the most brilliant move Obama ever made. That's probably why
economy looks slightly better right now and we are not in the
recession. So all Yellen noises about 2017 rate hikes are
what they are -- politically inspired noise.
In 2017 "oil stimulus" will decline. EIA average for WTI
are $43.33 for 2016 and $52.50 for 2017 (forecast), the rise
of around 20%. That's around 200 billion taken from the US
economy. Oil closed Friday 53.18, so EIA forecast for 2017
might be too conservative.
The key problem with "low oil price forever" hypothesis
this is that there are very few places where you can get oil
out of the ground for less then $55 per barrel and get a
reasonable profit (or balance state budget for oil states).
And BTW Saudis needs around $75-80 per barrel to balance
the budget. Probably more (close to $100 per barrel) with
Yemen war. Their own oil consumption also continue to grow.
They can sell oil below this price point only as long as
they have foreign currency reserves and can accumulate debt.
If they tighten the belts they can probably survive on
$55-$65 per barrel. But no more military adventures and huge
purchases of arms from the USA. Parasitic Saudi nobility
appetites also need to be curbed.
And KSA case is pretty much what we can expect in the
future: all oil producers will eventually need $75-$80 per
barrel to maintain the current level of production, to say
nothing to expand it.
And the world consumption still grow annually by 1-1.5
Mb/d (million barrels per day) and this pace will probably
continue for the next decade.
In other words oil producers can not afford more then a
decade or so with the current oil prices. That means the
price in 2026 should be closer to $100 then to $50 per
barrel.
Also existing wells decline at the rate that can vary from
2% to 16% per year (shale oil) unless you use infill drilling
and other measures to stem the decline. The latter requires
money or access to junk bond market (business model for the
USA shale oil producers).
Exploration requires money too and all of this stopped in
2015 with the negative effects probably three-four years down
the road.
It is also not unconceivable that we are close to so
called "Seneca Cliff" when all those stop gap measures will
stop working simultaneously and we enter the phase of a steep
decline.
"... Building a massive castle in the desert or providing tax cuts to millionaires may increase aggregate demand, but they would also be wasteful and problematic ways to accomplish that goal." ..."
"... The Longer Depression: But now the wheel of history has turned once again. We have a Second Gilded Age. ..."
"... Summers's core fear is that the global economy-or, at least, the North Atlantic chunk of it-will be stuck for a generation or more in a situation in which, if investors have realistically expectations, then even if central banks reduce interest rates to accommodate those expectations and even if governments follow sensible but not extravagant fiscal policies, private financial markets will still fail to support a level of investment demand compatible with full employment. ..."
"... Thus economic policymakers will find themselves either hoping that investors form unrealistic expectations-prelude to a bubble-or coping with chronic ultralow interest rates and the associated risks of stubbornly elevated unemployment. ..."
"I wrote my speech on what I called the "new view" of
fiscal policy for a conference of Europeans. I was trying to
summarize an interesting wave of recent research and also to
continue our work of persuading Euro-area economies of the
still urgent and important task of using fiscal policy,
either spending increases or tax cuts, to support aggregate
demand. (Their unemployment rate is stuck around 10 percent
while ours is below 5 percent.)"
Germany's is more like 4 percent.
"In this case we have neither an urgent need for stimulus
of this magnitude nor would it have all of the same positive
side effects, like crowding in private investment. We also
have a medium- and long-run fiscal challenge that we would
not want to exacerbate. Finally, priorities matter. Building
a massive castle in the desert or providing tax cuts to
millionaires may increase aggregate demand, but they would
also be wasteful and problematic ways to accomplish that
goal."
So he agrees with Yellen and Krugman. No need for fiscal
expansion. Sounds like the usual neoliberals lies which have
led the Democrats to electoral oblivion.
In my view, the current debate about "secular stagnation"
started by Larry Summers is best thought of as the third
coming of John A. Hobson.
...
The Wheel Has Turned Again
The Longer Depression: But now the wheel of history
has turned once again. We have a Second Gilded Age.
We have had what looks to have been either the second-largest
or the largest adverse financial business-cycle shock in
history. We have had an economic downturn followed by a very
slow recovery that has produced and will produce a cumulative
output gap vis-a-vis potential that will rival and may well
exceed the Great Depression itself as a multiple of the
economy's productive potential.
But it is not just what people call "the Great Recession"
and should call "the Longer Depression". It is the long,
steady decline in safe interest rates at all maturities since
1990: the decline in short-term safe real interest rates from
4% to -1.5%, and the decline in long-term safe real interest
rates from 5% to 1%.
B. Larry's Core Worry:
And so now we have Larry
Summers (2013), reacting to the collapse of the short-term
safe nominal Wicksellian "neutral" rate of interest
consistent with full employment and with central banks'
ability to hit their inflation targets.
We are handicapped because there is not one place in which
Larry has developed his argument: it is evolving. But the
debate Larry has started seems to me, as I wrote, "the most
important policy-relevant debate in economics since John
Maynard Keynes's debate with himself in the 1930s."
Summers's core fear is that the global economy-or, at
least, the North Atlantic chunk of it-will be stuck for a
generation or more in a situation in which, if investors have
realistically expectations, then even if central banks reduce
interest rates to accommodate those expectations and even if
governments follow sensible but not extravagant fiscal
policies, private financial markets will still fail to
support a level of investment demand compatible with full
employment.
Thus economic policymakers will find themselves either
hoping that investors form unrealistic expectations-prelude
to a bubble-or coping with chronic ultralow interest rates
and the associated risks of stubbornly elevated unemployment.
...
C. Seeking Not a Cure But Palliatives:
For Summers,
secular stagnation does not have one simple cause but is the
concatenation of a number of different structural shocks un-
or only loosely-connected with each other in their origin
that have reinforced each other in their effects pushing the
short-term safe nominal Wicksellian "neutral" rate down below
zero. But even though there is no one root cause, there are
two effective palliatives to neutralize or moderate the
effects.
Thus Summers calls for two major policy initiatives:
Larger and much more aggressive progressive tax and
transfer (and predistribution?) policies to end the Second
Gilded Age.
A major shift to an investment-centered expansionary
fiscal policy as the major component of what somebody or
other once called "a somewhat comprehensive socialisation of
investment [as] the only means of securing an approximation
to full employment not exclud[ing] all manner of compromises
and of devices by which public authority will cooperate with
private initiative "
I think he has a very, very strong case here.
D. Achieving Potential:
The standard diss of Larry
was that even though his promise was immense-he was
brilliant, provocative, creative, and so willing to think
outside-the-box that you sometimes wondered whether he knew
where the box was or even if there was a box-there was no
great substantive contribution but only a bunch of footnotes
to lines of inquiry that really "belonged" to others.
1.
Inflation phobia (note it is the NOMINAL interest rate that
has fallen below zero)
2. The policy mix which tries to rely for monetary expansion
almost exclusively on private lending.
3. International capital flows which weaken the leverage of
national economic policy.
4. Rent extraction (for natural resources and for
intellectual property) which are a significant part of 3
above (and of the increasing inequality).
5. Competitive tax policy (i.e. lack of international
co-ordination)
"It's the same sort
of thing conservatives think they've caught Paul Krugman
doing. Back in August, when it looked like Hillary Clinton
was going to win the White House, he wrote that it was still
"Time to Borrow." But now that Donald Trump is getting ready
for the most elegant, most tremendous inauguration ever,
Krugman has said that "Deficits Matter Again." Now, this
might seem like a pretty straightforward gotcha, but only if
you don't read past the headlines. There's actually no
contradiction here.......
It isn't hypocritical to point out that borrowing money to
invest in infrastructure makes more sense than borrowing
money to cut taxes for the rich, especially when borrowing
money isn't the reduced-price lunch it was before. Nor is it
intellectually dishonest to say that what was good stimulus
before is still good policy today. That, after all, is what
made it good stimulus in the first place.
In the end, though, the only thing more predictable than
people changing their minds out of political expediency is
accusing other people of doing so."
Fixing our infrastructure is a good idea now and an even
better idea a few years back when Krugman and other sane
people called for it on a weekly basis. Problem is that the
way to do it is different now because the labor markets have
become tighter and the Fed is increasing interest rates.
All the concerns that GOPsters used to deny Obama's
request for infrastructure spending were pure BS back when
you had negative real interest rates and a large pool of
unemployed people. Now they are of concern and need to be
clearly evaluated. Massive government investments at this
time could compete with the private sector for capital and
labor - driving up the price of both. If the cost was covered
by deficit spending the total cost would not just have to be
calculated with a higher interest cost on the loans for the
project but also as the cost of higher interest rates on our
total national debt. That may be somewhat mitigated by not
putting the cost on the national credit card, but instead
taxing rich people more (to cover the full cost of
infrastructure). The main difference being that you either
invest by getting an interest bearing loan from rich people
(selling them treasuries) or get "a loan" with no interest
and no payments. Main economic difference being that the
later is cheeper.
"... "instead they've had difficulty even getting inflation high enough to hit their inflation target. Maybe the problem is the way the FED is counting dollars." ..."
"... Debt the First 5000 Years ..."
"... looks like ..."
"... "but at some point this must and will end" ..."
"... personal, anecdotal, small-sample, and otherwise qualified observations ..."
"instead they've had difficulty even getting inflation high enough to
hit their inflation target. Maybe the problem is the way the FED is counting
dollars."
Ah, but they did stop deflation. Which was all they really cared about.
Everything else was theater. Bottom line, Federal Reserve is the
counterparty to all the private interests naked shorting the US dollar.
Which always works unless that counterfeiting process starts to go into
reverse. Just like naked shorting in the stock market can go into reverse
and put a big deal of hurt on the naked shorters. But with naked shorting in
the stock market, the party that is doing the counterfeiting of stock
doesn't have a way to prevent the play from going into reverse. In contrast,
the Federal Reserve does, through QE and whatever else they can do. Believe
you me, if things got bad enough, they would have done a true helicopter
drop. Whatever it takes to get their "liquidity pump" working again.
And they got their liquidity pump working again and stopped deflation.
(So hey they were heros, yay! /sarc) And along the way, dollars (either
newly borrowed or already in the economy) ended up in assets. And those
assets keep going up through more inflation. So while they may not have
"levitated the economy", they did levitate the demand for their liquidity
pump. (What's not to love? /sarc)
It just hasn't reached high inflation because main street isn't a player.
Otherwise, if main street was a player too, like they were for the dot com
bubble and housing bubble, well then look out. But everybody on main street
is just trying to survive. As far as the Federal Reserve is concerned that's
a perfect "wall of worry" to provide them all the cover they need to make
sure inflation doesn't get out of hand. To use the words of Adam Smith,
"it's a virtuous cycle". Assets go up, the plebs aren't at the party yet, so
no need to take away the punch bowl.
(And hey look at all the temp jobs that main street has now. Who says the
magic of the Federal Reserve isn't doing good things? /sarc)
Ah yes, "stopping deflation", what a disaster it would be if rent,
food, health care cost less. The horror: people might be able to put a
little away as "savings" and maybe even "invest". Can't have that now can
we.
So we have a system where the Fed controls interest rates (domestic
policy) and Treasury worries about exchange rates (trade and
international). Their objectives align probably 20% of the time.
Meantime "bank underwriting" is a distant memory, just sign the deal, get
your bonus, if/when it goes south Papa (Momma) CB will just smash the
value of the scrip some more
yes djrichard that is a nice synopsis of how this all works but where
does it end? How long can it go on? It is the world's biggest Ponzi
scheme and it almost ended in 2008 when the plebes could no longer take
on the increasing amounts of debt to keep it going. A normal Ponzi scheme
ends when it runs out of fools to fleece but this one is different
because it involves central banks which can step in to keep it all going
once mainstream is tapped out. That's where we are now; they ginned up
massive amounts of base money that was used to prop up asset prices on
behalf of the elites. This whole thing has to be the biggest fraud and
crime in human history but it is so esoteric that most people can't see
it. The masses get buried under inflated costs associated with the asset
bubble, inflation and interest payments while a small sliver at the top
lives in a rentiers paradise.
They have added massive debt to the system since the 2008 debt crisis
and things are now fine? Low interest rates mask the burden but at some
point this must and will end. Once they stripped the gold out of the
system in 1971 they set the groundwork for an explosion of debt. It's a
very scary situation.
However, there has been a lot of unproductive private debt issuance
even so, such as companies issuing debt to buy back stock and student
debt financing overpriced college costs.
This is a good explanation of why private debt, particularly
unproductive household debt, is the danger:
QE is widely misunderstood as printing money when it isn't. It's a
way to lower long term interest rates and spreads (as in lower the
spread of prime mortgages relative to Treasuries).
2. China continues to have a massive debt bubble. And no major
economy has made the transition from being investment and export led
to consumption led without having a major financial crisis.
Are you suggesting that the U.S. monetary system is healthy and
sound?
Completely agree that the creation of unproductive debt is the
real problem in any economy. Michael Hudson has written brilliantly
on that issue. Most debt/money creation should be closely tied to
productive investment.
As for private debt to GDP, I have no basis to comment on
whether it higher or lower than pre-crisis levels without doing a
lot of work. Those types of figures are fraught with complexity
based on source data, assumptions and methodology. Would love to
see those figures by sector, student loan, credit card, auto loan,
mortgage, corporate, municipal, etc. In any case it is unambiguous
that government debt has increased by nearly $10,000,000,000,000.00
since 2008. Does anyone think that is a good thing? And that
excludes retirement and medical costs which dwarf the funded debt.
Federal deficit went up by $1.4 last year, 9/30/16 year-end, after
a 7 year supposed recovery when tax revenues should be peaking.
What's up with that?
The U.S. may be able to borrow in its own currency but because
of its current account deficit it is dependent on foreigners to
play along. How long is that going to last?
Any thoughts on the 1974 deal whereby the Saudis agreed to
secretly support the dollar. What happens to dollar hegemony
without those kinds of deals.
What is going on with Russia right now, why the new cold war?
Russia runs a pipeline through Ukraine and is the leading supplier
of natural gas to western Europe. It's not dollar based. Qatar sits
on the world's largest supplies of natural gas and wants to run
pipeline North through Syria. Asssad said no. U.S. then unleashed a
proxy war to unseat Assad. Qatar is a U.S. client state, like Saudi
Arabia, and they allowed U.S. to build massive air base outside of
Doha. Qatar plays along with U.S. and in return the Al Thani family
remains in power.
I am afraid this is all a bit more complicated and fragile than
meets the eye.
What is your definition of printing money? Is there no such
thing in your mind? Does a central bank ever print money in your
view of the system other than when they ask the U.S. Treasury's
Bureau of Engraving and Printing to create some federal reserve
notes?
I have read two of Randall Wray's books on MMT and Warren
Mossler's Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds. I am fairly well
acquainted with MMT. As for Mossler I wish he had a good
editor because his stuff could read much better. As for
Wray's TWINTOPT ("that which is needed to pay taxes")
definition of money, you can also argue for TWINTOPP ("that
which is needed to purchase petroleum") as a definition of
money. Pricing the world's most important commodity in
"something" is an even more effective of way of causing that
something to be used as money.
As for MMT I like some of the ideas but it seems to suffer
from the same fundamental problems that the current system
does. If the government has a monopoly on producing money, it
is a given that they will overdo it at some point just like
what happens with the current private system where the banks
over did it. You end up with the same rudimentary
questions/problems under MMT or the current type system:
1) what are the rules governing its creation?
2) and who is in charge and gets to decide?
Either system can work if it is intelligently and honesty
run but of course that is asking a lot. Unfortunately men can
not be trusted to run an honest system for any length of time
because creating money is the world's greatest privilege and
it will always be abused at some point; war, greed,
stupidity, it doesn't matter, at some point discipline is
lost. That in summary is the entire history of money.
There's a lot of history behind the MMT conception.
David Graeber, in
Debt the First 5000 Years
describes kings creating money in order to pay the army,
and creating impersonal markets (pp. 226-227) where money
was good in order to feed the army without
a) trundling huge convoys of grain all over the country
all day, every day, or
b) letting the army feed itself, and stripping the country
bare.
The way this had to be done without impersonal markets
is described by
Pierre Loti in Au Maroc
(not sure where to find a
version in English.) Loti was part of a French diplomatic
mission to the depths of Morocco. To feed the mission, the
Sultan sent word in advance to the people near each
nightly stop, ordering them to provide a sufficiently larg
feast. Without the modern features of civilisation, that
was the only way.
One of Gandhi's early campaigns was against a move by
the British governmennt in India to licence all mango
trees. The situation had been that there were feral mango
trees growing all over India, and anyone who was going by
such a tree, and felt like a snack, could pick a mango and
eat it. This scheme provided no role for the government.
The plan was for each tree to be licenced, for a fee, and
to destroy any un-owned, unlicenced tree. Then everybody
would be obliged to pay rupees for their snacks. The
government's control of society through the impersonal
market would be strengthened. Pity that people would get
less to eat. ISTR Gandhi won that one.
I could entertain the doubt that without pre-existing
money and a global impersonal market there would even be
petroleum to buy. Who would drill down to the petroleum,
pump it out of the ground, and ship it halfway around the
world to where you happen to be in the hope that you even
exist, and, if you exist, that you even want petroleum and
have something worthwhile to give in exchange? It takes a
global impersonal market to aggregate personal whims and
accidents into something that we call demand, and find we
can count on in making far-reaching decisions on what to
do. I wonder, could we even have industry without it?
Hmmm
Check out
http://www.monetary.org/lostscienceofmoney.html
History shows abuse of the money supply primarily comes
from two places: 1) true illegal counterfeiting by outside
parties, 2) true legal counterfeiting (ahem borrowing) by
inside parties who are simply shorting the currency when
the economy is publicly biased towards increased private
debt (think Wiemar Republic or Venezuela).
In contrast, Fed Gov fiat (MMT) is not based on a
fractional reserve system. At least not the ones I hear
people talk about. So the magnitude of
debasement/debauchery is a lot less compared to
fractional-based currencies. Plus the monetary base can
always be shrunk by issuing bonds if the will power to tax
is weak.
Thanks for stepping in, Yves. But I have a minor quibble with
that Private Debt to GDP graphic you linked. Because the graph's
Y-origin begins at 195%, the 7.5% reduction since 2008
looks
like
a 500% decrease. Bottom line – private debt to GDP
remains very high and the economy is much weaker than it was in 08.
Unless GDP picks up quickly (less the Ponzi-esque growth in
equities), our financial future does not appear strong.
Is it OK if I hope (against my better judgement) that Trump is
serious about improving U.S. infrastructure through deficit
spending and the loony conservatives in Congress go along?
If this ends, the only way it does so is through deflation. But the
Fed Reserve is always on hand to do "whatever it takes" to prevent
deflation.
If the Federal Reserve loses that fight (and it's hard to think of
a scenario where they could ostensibly lose), then deflation would
take out everybody who is in debt. Which is pretty much everybody,
except people who have no debt and are holding cash. The Fed Gov would
certainly have to step in to provide 3 hots and a cot.
Instead, we have an outcome where the deflation monster is kept at
bay, but everybody is up to their eyeballs in debt (I'm speaking
private debt here. By the way, notice how private debt forgiveness
never enters into the conversation). Except for the elite, they're not
in debt to their eyeballs because the height of their eyeballs can
keep getting higher and higher. The elite know if the wall-of-worry
disappears, forcing the Fed Reserve to raise rates, they'll be caught
with their pants down. But they also know they'll be rescued again
(the ol deflation monster must be defeated once again. We do this for
you little people don't you know). So that's where the economy is
thriving – for the elite.
In aggregate terms the elites hold the other side of all the
debt that was created, that is why they won't tolerate deflation,
everything implodes under such a scenario. The masses are buried
under the debt, while a small minority holds the asset side of it.
Therefore everything will be done to stave off deflation. System is
very fragile, teetering between deflation and potential hyper
inflation. They have threaded a needle so far to keep it stable but
things are not normal. It will be some time before we know how this
resolves itself.
The issue isn't monetary policy, i.e increasing or decreasing the supply
of money, the issue is that the way we've decided to do it is by increasing
and decreasing interests rates. So we end up in this bazzarro world where,
.
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Stop! I know the answer!
Fed Chief Mariner Eccles explained that long ago – "pushing on a string
won't work"
Keynes explains it in English – This doesn't work when in a "liquidity
trap"
Our current Fed are Monetary_keynesians working in the Mariner Eccles
building.
"If we accept that only the Federal Government, through spending and
taxing, can increase or decrease the supply of dollars"
the vast majority of dollars in the economy are actually created by banks
in the form of deposits generated by making loans. The central bank (Federal
Govt.) seeks to control the level of reserves in the interbank market and
has very limited control over the the supply of money in the economy as a
whole. banks do not lend reserves, which is why there can be reserves
sloshing all around the system without causing inflation. As long as there
are idle resources in the economy the danger of inflation is overblown.
Just follow the money. How does monetary policy influence influence the
average person's finances? They don't have access to the discount window.
Business investment is at an all-time low. Just witness the famously large cash
hoards currently collecting dust in the Fortune 500 and companies like Uber
setting billions of dollars on fire trying to get into new markets instead of
developing new products. Instead they're using cheap debt to buy competitors
and fire all their employees. Small businesses are disappearing and there are
fewer new ones to replace them - nobody has collateral.
Until financial policy starts seriously considering "helicopter money" the
economy is just going to sit there spinning its wheels, going nowhere on the
backs of a vast underclass with no money to spend. Government contracts are and
remain the only way the average person might even catch a glimpse of the world
of finance, a fact that must seem appalling to any financial conservative.
Inflation is hidden in plain sight for many consumers. Just take a trip to
the grocery store, or a home improvement big box, or any number of other
retailers. From
personal, anecdotal, small-sample, and otherwise qualified
observations
, retailers held prices low until the election and then
started to raise them. That will add some pop to their fourth quarter earnings,
while people adjust budgets accordingly.
This is not correct and I hate to tell you but your comments on
this topic are very confused, and worse, you are terribly self
confident about your erroneous beliefs.
A fiat currency issuer can deficit spend without creating debt
instruments. You do not take your dollar bills in a fiat regime to the
Treasury and get them redeemed for something material. The only use
you can make of currency with the Treasury is to extinguish your tax
liabilities.
The Fed can only 'lend' fiat. They don't 'spend' fiat, unless
Congress authorizes the purchase (e.g. Tarp). But note that even
foreign currency purchases of the Fed have to be cleared by Treasury
(which happens behind closed doors and no one notices). So no, the Fed
does not bypass Congress.
And if you mean that Fed offers deposit insurance on deposits
(created via private lending) but that's still an authority given to
it by Congress when FDIC was created. And the FDIC has a 'line of
credit' with the Treasury, not the Fed, so again Congress is not
bypassed. In fact, the credibility of the FDIC only exists because of
that line of credit from the Treasury, since it means they are de
facto linked to the currency issuing entity directly.
The Fed NEVER creates fiat for the private sector. It exchanges
green paper money for bank reserve balances–$ for $ exchange. There is
no cost to the Fed or the govt. Not to mention that the Fed's overall
operations are a cash cow for the federal govt (due to its profits via
interest income on securities owned vs. costs of its liabilities and
salaries, etc.), so it never needs Congressional appropriations. As an
MMT expert said of your BTW "This question in the first place shows
that this guy has no idea how any of this works."
This chart from Citibank shows the eye-popping expansion of central bank
balance sheets, from roughly $3 trillion in the year 2000 to $20 trillion
today.
Evidently the "EM" band in green is dominated by China, which accumulated
over $4 trillion in forex (primarily US Treasuries) through 2013. Now it's
having to sell Treasuries to prop up the yuan exchange rate.
But Haruhiko "Mad Dog" Kuroda at the Bank of Japan is picking up the slack
from China with a ferocious buying binge, as Mario "Whatever It Takes" Draghi
closely pursues him.
Common sense would tell you that expanding central bank assets at many
multiples of economic growth is neither sustainable nor even sensible. Central
banksters are giving ol' John Law a run for the money. With any luck they
should be able to produce an epic calamity, since their bubble blowing is
global rather than confined to one country.
Actually, the Fed is just laundering crap from our TBTFs and supporting
the purchasing power of the dollar:
http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/fed_assets_dec_15.png
The grey is crap being invisibly written down at taxpayers expense (actually
holding a very small percentage of its face value, but embarrassing for
Jamie and Lloyd if admitted in public), the baby blue is keeping the imports
made abroad by our multinationals "affordable" without them having to re-patriate
the cash.
I'm pretty sure "grey" is the "good" MBS. They swore up and down it
was Fannie&Freddie MBS they were buying as part of QE – these are
supposed to be the high quality end of mortgage instruments and I think
it really did turn out that way.
The drek mopped up from Bears and others is called "Maiden", and is
the nearly imperceptible dark blue on this chart. If they properly wrote
them down immediately, then they wouldn't show up on a current chart!
This is why "audit" sounds cool. Then we could have a completely
different chart showing how much they did give away to their buddies.
No doubt they did say that, I guess I've just grown less trusting.
Given the proTBTF tilt of all else that transpired I just can't
believe Timmy and The Fed really took possession of anything it would
have pained Jamie and Lloyd to give up.
"Common sense would tell you that expanding central bank assets at many
multiples of economic growth is neither sustainable nor even sensible.
Central banksters are giving ol' John Law a run for the money. With any luck
they should be able to produce an epic calamity, since their bubble blowing
is global rather than confined to one country."
It's inevitable and will make John Law look like a rank amateur when this
thing comes apart.
Personally, I'm looking forward to what happened next: the Regent
toured France with a detachment Dragoons collecting gold from hoarders at
bayonete point!
Yay! This article and its comments exemplifies why I spend far longer on NC
than on any other site on the Web. Not only had it never before occured to me
that The Wizard of Oz was an allegory of anything – tho' it's obvious even to
the dim-witted like me once pointed out – it helped me understand the concepts
and relationships that underlie 'money'. In short, how a pound note can be, as
it says, "worth one pound".
The author's critique of modern central banking seems dead on, the fallacy of pushing on a string
etc, but he seems to think their response was a mistake because what we really lack is fiscal
stimulus. Pardon me if I am confused but didn't the government just engage in the biggest fiscal
stimulus in the history of the world as evidenced by its massive deficit spending to the tune of ten
trillion dollars. Was that not a fiscal stimulus? What is the author's point? That we need even more
of this! If Mr. Ferguson would clarify that would be great.
I happen to think everything they have done is mistake and that what we need is a debt jubilee
which is what William White, one of the world's foremost monetary theorists and former chief
economist of the BIS also thinks.
No, the bailouts were not fiscal spending. They were done mainly by
special facilities and those loans were paid back. QE is also not fiscal
spending.
The US engaged in only about $800 billion of fiscal spending. China did
the most, IIRC about $2 trillion.
William White was very good in the runup to the crisis in identifying the
housing bubbles but is really clueless about the debt of fiat currency
issuers v. that of non-fiat issuers, like US states and countries in the
Eurozone.
There is a slight upside to the frightful monetary policy we have been
obliged to pursue – by creating military mayhem all over the world we have
attracted savings to the US economy for fear it might be lost any where else.
Even UK has proved unsafe and western media is making the EU look dodgy too.
So regardless of the reality of a dormant national economy the money keeps
coming in.
Don't forget the tax havens either – they invest in New York.
But look at the poem that's repeated in there. It's fairly clear that
Frank Baum had opinions on currency. Now that particular poem is a peon to
Mckinley and "honest money". Which would make one think that Baum was a hard
money advocate, as McKinley and "honest money" was the counter William
Jennings Bryan (WJB) arguing against the "cross of gold". But WJB's campaign
for silver had the same failings as gold, they were both banker's money.
Perhaps Baum saw the disadvantages either way.
In any case, Bill Still provides what I think is the better currency
allegory from Frank Baum's story, in that it's an advocation against both
silver (the silver shoes) and gold (the yellow brick road) and was for
"paper money" issued by the Fed Gov (the emerald city). See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sboh-_w43W8
. Now this is purely Bill's
interpretation, just like the refutation you're linking to was admitted to
be an interpretation too. I happen to think Bill's allegory works better and
there's strong reason to think that this is where Baum's head was at (given
he was opinionated on currency and an advocate of the farmer's
vulnerabilities to issues related to currencies).
Littlefield himself wrote to The New York Times letters to the editor
section spelling out that his theory had no basis in fact, but that his
original point was "not to label Baum, or to lessen any of his magic, but
rather, as a history teacher at Mount Vernon High School, to invest
turn-of-the-century America with the imagery and wonder I have always found
in his stories."
Biographers report that Baum had been a political activist in the
1890s with a special interest in the money question of gold and silver,
and the illustrator Denslow was a full-time editorial cartoonist for a
major daily newspaper. For the 1901 Broadway production Baum inserted
explicit references to prominent political characters such as President
Theodore Roosevelt .
Littlefield's knowledge of the 1890s was thin, and he made numerous
errors, but since his article was published, scholars in history,[7]
political science[1] and economics[11] have asserted that the images and
characters used by Baum closely resemble political images that were well
known in the 1890s. Quentin Taylor, for example, claimed that many of the
events and characters of the book resemble the actual political
personalities, events and ideas of the 1890s.[10] Dorothy-naïve, young
and simple-represents the American people. She is Everyman, led astray
and seeking the way back home.[10] Moreover, following the road of gold
leads eventually only to the Emerald City, which may symbolize the
fraudulent world of greenback paper money that only pretends to have
value.[10] It is ruled by a scheming politician (the Wizard) who uses
publicity devices and tricks to fool the people (and even the Good
Witches) into believing he is benevolent, wise, and powerful when really
he is a selfish, evil humbug. He sends Dorothy into severe danger hoping
she will rid him of his enemy the Wicked Witch of the West. He is
powerless and, as he admits to Dorothy, "I'm a very bad Wizard."[12]
Historian Quentin Taylor sees additional metaphors, including:
The Scarecrow as a representation of American farmers and their
troubles in the late 19th century
The Tin Man representing the industrial workers, especially those of
American steel industries
The Cowardly Lion as a metaphor for William Jennings Bryan
In it, there is some discussion of who Frank Baum really was. And other
stuff, like how Yip's song, "Brother Can You Spare a Dime," was regarded:
"Roosevelt and the Democratic Party really wanted to tone it down and keep
it off the radio,"
And why the songs stop in the film:
"on their way to the wicked witch, when all the songs stopped, because they
wouldn't let them do anymore. OK? You'll notice then the chase begins, you
see, in the movie.
AMY GOODMAN:
Why wouldn't they let them do anymore?
ERNIE HARBURG:
Because they didn't understand what he was doing, and they wanted a chase
in there."
Cumulative total of Bakken Formation oil production.
One billion of those barrels produced in the past five years, four billion
barrels to go with the projected 5.7 billion recoverable, another 20 years of
production in the pipeline to go.
By 2035, the Bakken oil will be about done, can't get anymore.
75 new wells per month, 12×20, 240×75=18,000 more wells over twenty years
time.
The price of oil at 50, 4.5 billion barrels of oil, 225 billion dollars.
5,000,000 dollars of cost per well, 90,000,000,000 dollars invested in
drilling those 18,000 new wells, 400,000,000 barrels for the extraction taxes,
money for the state, 20% for royalties, 80,000,000 barrels for mineral owners,
480,000,000 barrels to keep everyone happy all of those years.
The oil companies can keep 3.52 billion barrels to sell to get them some
money.
Times 50 USD per barrel to assess a value, 160,000,000,000 dollars in future
income to pay the 90,000,000,000 dollars owed for oil wells drilled. After
twenty years of production you will have 70,000,000,000 dollars left over for
the buzzards to pick clean.
A measly 3,500,000,000 dollars per year for the oil companies to share. 350
oil companies working, ten million dollars to share amongst stockholders and
employees.
The price of oil has to be more or the Bakken will slow to a crawl, then an
end.
What % of US oil consumption is food transport? This got tricky quickly.
Average US person eats about 5.4 pounds of food a day. That's just the food.
Average meal travels 1500 miles to reach your mouth.
First tricky item - packaging. It has to transport, too. Amazing variance on
this. Glass jar of pickles vs paper around candy bars. The only estimate out
there is numbers for municipal solid waste and estimates of % of that is food
packaging. Year 2000 US waste generation 4.5 pounds/day/person, and growing.
Probably over 6 by now based on the curve, but will use 5 lbs/day cuz round
number.
31% of that is packaging and half of that number is food packaging. Some
2006 study. So 15% of 5 lbs a day is 0.75 pounds added to the 5.4 pounds of
food is 6.15 pounds shipped a day per person.
For 1500 miles.
Eyeballing some charts looks like typical/average truck hauling weight for
stuff hauled is 60,000 lbs. Typical diesel mileage 6 miles/gallon.
6.15 pounds X 320 million mouths = about 2 billion pounds of food moved each
day
1500 miles / 6 = 250 gallons truck burned
2 billion lbs / 60,000 lbs = 33,333 truck trips X 250 gallons/truck trip =
198.4K bpd to move food.
Ain't much. Maybe there's an error in there. Top of my head . . . things not
included, hauling spare parts for the food moving trucks, spare parts for the
packaging gizmos, plastic packaging, agricultural consumption itself.
[Edit] Blurb says 17% of total US oil use is agricultural, up and downstream
(fertilizer plus fuel). This would be far more than food transport.
I am suspicious of that fifteen hundred mile figure, but it may be accurate.
Or it may have assumed a life of it's own, after being tossed out by one or
two people who really just guessed at it.
Most of the food that is produced in truly huge amounts, staple food, is
shipped by water, and or by rail, if it travels a LONG way. A VERY limited
amount of food, in relation to the total amount, is air freighted.
Here in the USA, it's not too likely that very much in the way of
unprocessed or processed staple food is shipped more than a thousand miles
by truck. Exceptions will be mostly fresh high retail value produce, shipped
as directly and quickly as possible from grower to retailer.
The REAL food miles come at the very tail end of the distribution chain.
I never owned an eighteen wheeler, but I did once own a C70 Chevy which
would legally haul about sixteen thousand pounds of apples to market. The
farthest local growers usually go with their own truck of this sort is about
a hundred miles, one way. Thirty gallons of diesel would take me that far,
and home again.
The people who actually bought my apples at retail, after they were
picked up at the wholesale market and delivered around town in smaller
trucks, usually bought no more than five pounds at a time.
I'm guessing, pulling numbers out of my hat, but I suppose a typical
shoppers average grocery purchase weighs from about twenty five to thirty
pounds, up to a hundred pounds,depending on family size, and is made on
roughly a weekly basis, on average.
And I'm guessing that the average trip to the super market is at least
six to ten miles, round trip. THAT's where the food miles really pile up. A
liter of gasoline burnt to get fifty pounds home, the last five miles, times
around a hundred million households, times fifty weeks, adds up. FAST.
Maybe. The pickle jar weighs a LOT and there's not much food weight part
of that. The whole packaging thing is a significant thing, and that's
another food item I didn't include, disposal of it.
I'm going to guess
the 1500 mile thing came from the coasts' pop centers and their daily
bread from Iowa and Nebraska. The various websites talking about this
like to talk about a head of Imperial Valley California lettuce going to
England. X calories burned for 1 or two calories delivered to the mouth.
But that sort of thing definitely would drag the average up. 1500 miles
maybe is legit.
I am surprised the total transport is south of 1 mbpd, if it truly is.
As for shipping, I can't see Iowa bread going to NYC any way but by
truck. Not going to fly it there. And the canals don't reach.
Everybody driving the last 5 miles to the store . . . maybe that
really doesn't show in the diesel calc. Oh! Of course. The issue is not
diesel. It's the 60,000 pounds per trip. A car is carrying the much lower
weight per your estimate. Will redo.
14 billion pounds of food move the last 5 miles by car per week,
probably at 150 lbs per weekly load (family of 4 at 6 lbs/day/mouth
incl packaging)
14 billion / 150 lbs = 93 million car trips per
week.
5 miles in a 25 mpg car is 0.2 gallons. X 93 million /7 and /42 =
an additional 63,000 bpd from the car trips added to the trucks above.
About 260K bpd for food transport.
Hmmm of course if it's 5 miles each way that's a X 2 on the 63K.
And SUVs for that trip, not a Datsun. Might be up nudging 400K.
It occurs to me that Pepsi and Coke may not be food, and they are
heavy.
I'm having problems with this 400ish K number because the
famous 2004 pie chart of US oil consumption said 65%
transportation, and of that 65% it was only 37% passenger cars, 18%
heavy trucks and 27% light trucks (sums to 45%), and that was
before SUVs (called light trucks) had swept up sales. Though F-150s
may have arrived.
0.37 X 0.65 is only 24% of consumption. Trucks light and heavy
rather more. So what are they hauling. Food as a daily consumable
would seem to be the dominant hauled stuff, but apparently not.
Most of the grain or flour that goes from the midwest to the northeast
probably gets there by rail, where it will then be baked into bread,
packaged, and shipped by truck to food distribution centers, or
directly to supermarkets. But the distribution center food warehouse
seems to rule these days, because it's better to load a truck up to
the doors with a variety of stuff all destined for one address or
maybe two or three, than it is to have a truck stop to deliver bread
and nothing but bread to a bunch of different stores. That means a lot
more total time and miles invested in stop and go driving, compared to
the one stop load. That still happens, but not as often as in the
past.
Grain is milled into flour near where it's grown, when possible,
because this reduces total shipping costs, being that the weight and
volume of flour is less than the weight of whole unprocessed grain,
plus the tailings are used mostly in livestock rations, and customer
for that product is most definitely NOT in NYC, lol.
Most of the cows,hogs and chickens we eat are raised in
confinement, and are raised in the mid west and southeast, closer to
the feed supply, and where land and water are cheaper, and neighbors
less fussy, and mostly in localities where neighbors are relatively
few in number.
Nobody's ever going to operate a modern supersize hog farm anywhere
close to the BIG APPLE,
Watcher's conclusion is probably right – not much fuel used to transport
food compared to the total available. On the other hand, some random
thoughts. 5.4 pounds/day/person is too high. Babies, young children,
seniors, etc. Second, the 1500 miles is too high. Some of the basics make up
a significant amount of the weight – like liquid milk, along with other
dairy products, cheese and eggs. These products generally will never go 1500
miles. Vegetables, seafood, fruit, etc yes. But, chicken, pork and beef – I
think that 1500 miles is too high.
Pre oil, railroad cars had no refrigeration to speak of in summer months.
That's where the term cattle car came from. Had to ship beef alive to the
cities.
I am not at all sure just HOW much of a cow winds up as nekkid ape
chow these days, but YOU most definitely don't WANT to know much about
what goes into processed meat products, if you plan on eating them.
Fifty years ago when I had the "insider tour" of a huge and
extremely famous hog slaugher plant that you get only by personal
invitation from management,even back then, they bragged about selling
everything but the squeal.
I'm pretty sure that well over fifty percent of the live weight of
a cow winds up as nekkid ape chow these days, but how much over I
can't say. Fifty to fifty five percent would be a reasonable guess.
Farmers have been breeding cows for more milk and meat, and less
waste, since the beginning. For the last seventy five years or so,
this breeding has been based on high tech such as artificial
insemination, a solid understanding of genetics, and very sharp
pencils. So a typical cow TODAY is going to yield significantly more
more than she did a decade or two back.
Where's the Money go if the Feds sell SPR Crude? Gov Black hole?
Latest from Art:
http://www.artberman.com/the-opec-oil-production-cut-another-year-of-lower-oil-prices/
"In fact, tight oil production is a plus for OPEC. The U.S. must import i n c r
e a s i n g amounts of OPEC heavier oil for blending in order to refine the
ultra-light oil produced from tight oil plays."
Useable North American Tight
Oil just 16 x the US SPR ? Seems like a whole heap of Fracking trouble and
crude imports to make all that LTO useable.
These are only proved reserves of LTO. Recoverable resources are much
bigger.
Berman compares proved LTO reserves classified under strict SEC
rules with unaudited "official" reserve numbers for OPEC countries shown in
BP Statistical Review. Most experts do not trust these numbers, particularly
for Saudi Arabia.
Look, for example, at Rystad Energy's resource estimates, which are much
bigger for the U.S. than KSA, Canada or Venezuela.
If we consider only economically recoverable resources, I'm not sure that
Canadian oil sands or Venezuela's ultra heavy oil is a lower cost resource
than LTO.
Obviously he means 2017. The Brent price averaged about
$44/b in 2016 (nominal) and is about $54/b at the end
of the year. My guess would be about $75/b by the end
of 2017 in 2016$. If Fernando's estimate is in 2016 $
and is the average Brent price for 2017, I agree with
his estimate.
That means he may be wrong, because I
am rarely correct on my oil price estimate.
720 million barrels in the US SPR when full. It's
usually not 100% full and when it is (last happened Dec 2009) it's not
really full because you can't recover 100% of what you store. Oil gets
into pores in the rock and won't come out. Just like less than 100%
recovery of oil from an oil field.
The usual calculation is 720 / 20 mbpd US burn = 36 days of
consumption storage. With US production at about 8.5 mbpd that number
seems to rise to a little less than double - call it 70 days.
But not true. Maximum extraction rate is only 4.4 mbpd (takes 13 days
from the word go for the first barrels to enter the system). Not 11.5. So
the total embargo of imports scenario because Canada wants to save it for
their grandkids means the country goes from 20 mbpd consumption to 12.9
mbpd - for 160ish days (720/4.4) and then just the 8.5 is all we have to
function.
Gonna have to compute oil consumption required to haul/deliver food to
stores and for people to drive to stores to get it. Tricky for the
haulage from central america (fruits).
The Venezuela figure is BS. The reserves outlook gets grimmer by the year,
because the current development strategy is incompatible with enhanced
recovery. The areas under development are mostly the "sirloin steak" in the
Orinoco heavy oil belt, and these high graded areas are now being gutted by
pdvsa and partners. They are going after quick kill primary recovery,
ruining the reservoirs. This means that not only is the 300 billion barrel
figure a poor number, the "real number" is gradually degrading as they
continue to lower reservoir pressures and allow water to penetrate the
developed reservoirs.
Based on what you know I think your estimate for URR for
Orinoco is about 100 Gb, if I remember correctly, due to the poor
development you outline above.
Please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly. Thanks.
It will be interesting to see how replacing Indian Point with
renewable plays out over the next few years.
Replacing the 2,000 megawatts would require ~650 very
large wind turbines at 3 MW each (at full nameplate rating)
or about 6 million solar panels (at nameplate rating again).
Actual yield / nameplate over 24/7/365 is called capacity
factor. Capacity factor for wind turbines is about 30%.
Output might be 10% during peak summer afternoon demand.
Capacity factor for solar PV panels is about 20%.
Clocks ticking.
Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant to Close by 2021
"The Indian Point nuclear plant will shut down by April
2021 under an agreement New York State reached this week with
Entergy, the utility company that owns the facility in
Westchester County, according to a person with direct
knowledge of the deal.
Under the terms of the agreement, one of the two nuclear
reactors at Indian Point will permanently cease operations by
April 2020, while the other must be closed by April 2021.
... the plant is an important supplier of inexpensive
power to the metropolitan area. It has the capacity to
generate more than 2,000 megawatts, or about one-fourth of
the power consumed in New York City and Westchester County.
The prospects for replacing that power are so far unclear,
but potential options include hydropower from Quebec and
power from wind farms already operating across New York,
according to the person."
The U.S. State Dept. has approved nearly $2 billion of
high-voltage transmission lines that will bring low-cost
Canadian renewable energy to the U.S. The department on Dec.
5 approved construction of the $1.2-billion New England Clean
Power Link, between eastern Canada and Vermont, and last
month green-lighted the $710-million Great Northern
Transmission Line, between Manitoba and Minnnesota.
Both received the so-called "presidential permit" that is
required for construction, operation and maintenance of
electric facilities that connect at international borders.
The Clean Power Link is a high-voltage, direct-current
transmission project that originates at Quebec's border and
ends at a high-voltage, direct-current converter station in
Ludlow, Vt., where it will connect to the New England power
grid. It will have the capacity to transmit 1,000 MW of power
to the U.S. Most of the project will be buried under Lake
Champlain.
The project has received eight environmental permits from
Vermont and a final environmental impact statement from the
U.S. Dept. of Energy late last year.
The 100 miles of cable under Lake Champlain is set to be
put in place during one summer construction season, says Don
Jessome, CEO of TDI New England. In water that is 150 ft or
deeper, the cable will be laid on the bottom of the lake. In
shallower water, it will be buried about 4 ft deep.
The remaining underground work will take two summer
seasons, Jessome said.
Construction is set to begin next year and be completed in
2018. Under its U.S. Army Corps of Engineers permit,
construction must be completed by the end of January 2021.
TDI New England has estimated that the project will reduce
power prices in New England by about $2 billion over 10
years, Jessome said. ...
TDI New England last year received a presidential permit
for a 333-mile project that will transport clean power from
the Canadian border to New York City. It will be completely
installed underground and underwater, primarily under Lake
Champlain and the Hudson River.
The $2.2-billion Champlain Hudson Power Express will
transmit 1,000 MW of renewable hydroelectric power from
Quebec and is touted as a way to help New York City reach its
goal of powering city government offices with 100% renewable
energy by 2050. The city government uses between 4 TWh and 5
TWh annually.
The Champlain Hudson project is fully permitted and
awaiting the New York Independent System Operator to complete
the final phase of the interconnection study, Jessome said.
The 1,000-MW direct-current line will include two buried,
5-in.-dia solid-state cables. Construction is expected to
begin in 2017, with commercial operations to begin in 2020.
...
"... But it is not just what people call "the Great Recession" and should call "the Longer Depression". It is the long, steady decline in safe interest rates at all maturities since 1990: the decline in short-term safe real interest rates from 4% to -1.5%, and the decline in long-term safe real interest rates from 5% to 1%." ..."
"... "We're just barely over the border into normality, which is why I think the Fed should hold and we could still use some fiscal stimulus for insurance, and very low rates still make the case for lots of infrastructure spending. But it's not the same as it was.'" ..."
The Longer Depression: But now the wheel of history has
turned once again. We have a Second Gilded Age. We have
had what looks to have been either the second-largest or
the largest adverse financial business-cycle shock in
history. We have had an economic downturn followed by a
very slow recovery that has produced and will produce a
cumulative output gap vis-a-vis potential that will rival
and may well exceed the Great Depression itself as a
multiple of the economy's productive potential.
But it is not just what people call "the Great
Recession" and should call "the Longer Depression". It is
the long, steady decline in safe interest rates at all
maturities since 1990: the decline in short-term safe real
interest rates from 4% to -1.5%, and the decline in
long-term safe real interest rates from 5% to 1%."
Krugman insists things are basically the same. We're
almost back to normal. Progressive Neoliberalism. Really,
these people need to be sidelined.
Bernie Sanders was completely right.
"We're just barely over the border into normality,
which is why I think the Fed should hold and we could
still use some fiscal stimulus for insurance, and very low
rates still make the case for lots of infrastructure
spending. But it's not the same as it was.'"
No it's not the same as it was, as DeLong points out.
1. Jason Furman Obama's chief economist, says, 'Aging
workforce and declining productivity are driving slower
growth' & "Furman noted that productivity is declining all
around the world"
2. "Former Obama chief economist Alan Krueger told the
panel that the administration might have accepted a lower
growth rate in order to foster a "no-drama" economy so that
the financial sector could heal from the financial crisis."
3. "Hubbard and John Taylor, a Stanford University
professor, argued that new policies could make a difference.
Sluggish growth "is due to policy," Taylor said. "What you
need is a whole set of policies" to address the problem"
I am drawn to Krueger and Furman's views b/c they are
based on the past 8 years experience but shocked by Hubbard
and Taylor's since their views are solely based on Trump
Economic Team Hype without reference to specific concrete
Policy or even a known proposal by Trump's team
"Suggesting Trump's economic plans can spark growth closer
to 3% is 'wishful thinking,' Obama adviser says"
'Aging workforce and declining productivity are driving
slower growth, Furman says'
By Greg Robb, Senior economics reporter...Jan 7,
2017...4:42 p.m. ET
"CHICAGO (MarketWatch) - Republican economists were upbeat
Saturday that President-elect Donald Trump's economic
policies could get the economy growing closer to a
sustainable 3% annual rate, but the suggestion was greeted
with skepticism by a senior member President Obama's economic
team.
At the moment, the Congressional Budget Office estimates
the economy's sustainable growth rate is 1.8%, down from a
historical rate above 3%.
During a bipartisan panel discussion at the American
Economic Association meeting, Glenn Hubbard, dean of the
Columbia University Business School, said Trump's plans could
get GDP growth "up to 2.75% or so."
While the details of Trump's policies remain unknown, the
combination of broad-based tax reform, regulatory reform,
infrastructure and military spending could boost the economy,
Hubbard said.
However, Jason Furman, Obama's chief economist, shot back
that Republicans were ignoring the "massive" depressing
impact on growth from an aging workforce.
"This is going to matter a lot. If you forecast something
like 2%-2.2% [growth], it is going to take your budget in one
direction, if you forecast 2.75% or higher, it is going to
take your budget in a different direction, he said.
Furman said of growth rates of 2.75% or higher would be
further away from the forecast of mainstream economists "than
any budget in the last 24 years."
"Part of how you get higher is wishful thinking," Furman
said. Details of any tax cut will matter, he said.
However, Hubbard and John Taylor, a Stanford University
professor, argued that new policies could make a difference.
Sluggish growth "is due to policy," Taylor said. "What you
need is a whole set of policies" to address the problem, he
added.
"Where we are now in this economy...is that some
structural reforms have the potential for not only a
long-term benefit which as economists we emphasize but also
short-run," Taylor said.
Taylor said poor U.S. economic policies "had a huge
influence" on productivity growth, which has been weakening
since 2005.
"There is an opportunity for reversal," he said.
But Furman noted that productivity is declining all around
the world, which suggests that Obamacare and other U.S.
regulations might not be the cause of the decline.
Former Obama chief economist Alan Krueger told the panel
that the administration might have accepted a lower growth
rate in order to foster a "no-drama" economy so that the
financial sector could heal from the financial crisis.
"Part of that was by design, part of that was...an attempt
to make the financial system safer to ensure that banks
raised more capital as a buffer against shocks. It probably
has come at the cost of some growth," Krueger said.
"Going forward...I think we may go from a no-drama economy
to something very different," he added."
They work for the guy who chooses to blame the Russians and
ignore the crooked party he led. Who borrowed $1422B and his
mouthpieces said the deficit was <$600B......
They say the
same things to John Lennon about Peace!
Who knows what happens in the future?
Someone should have heard the guy who said 'it makes no
sense to run Qaddafi's weapons from Benghazi to the jihadis',
and 'don't send the ambassador over there late in the day'.
I am reminded of what the losers, the naysayers said about
Bernie's ideas.
Too much opinion, and not enough let's try it rather than
saying "it cannot be done".
Answer to the point about aging workforce: EPR for under
54 year olds has plenty of slack. As to productivity that is
a "on the one hand" proposition.
I would have a tarot reading before I listened to the
Obama guys.
According to preliminary estimate by CDU TEK, statistical unit of Russia's Energy Ministry, the country's
C+C production in December was 11.21 mb/d, flat month-on-month and close to post-Soviet record of
11.23 mb/d reached in October. Monthly-average output was more than 400 kb/d (3.7%) higher than in
December 2015.
In 2016 in total, output reached 10.96 mb/d, up from 10.71 million in 2015 (+2.3%)
and significantly higher that the energy ministry's initial guidance in the beginning of the year
(10.75 mb/d).
Russia has pledged to cut output by 300 kb/d from October reference levels, but the energy ministry
has said that the reduction would be gradual as production cannot be cut abruptly due to weather
and technological conditions.
According to the ministry's guidance, output will be reduced by 50-100 kb/d in January. By the end
of March it will be 200 kb/d less the October level; and the target of 10.947 mb/d will not be reached
until April or May.
It is interesting that actual monthly-average output in October was 11.230 mb/d (using 7.33 barrels/ton
conversion factor) rather than 11.247 mb/d stated by the Ministry as the reference level.
On my estimate based on ministry's guidance, production in 1st half of 2017 should average around
11.06 mb/d, 100 kb/d higher than the average 2016 level, although lower than in the last four months
of the year.
OPEC and 11 non-OPEC countries agreed to cut output for a six-months period starting January 1st
2017, and nothing was said if and how this deal will be prolonged for the second half of the year.
For 2017 as a whole, the Russian energy ministry is sticking to its oil production forecast of 548-551
million tons, or 11.01-11.07 mb/d, which implies higher output than the target of 10.947 mb/d in
2H2017. According to independent Russian experts, C+C production in 2017 may average 555 million
tons, or 11.15 mb/d. According to a quote in Reuters, the IEA also expects Russian oil production
to rise in the second half of the year: "While little information on the duration of production cuts
has been made public, provisionally we assume that output will rise gradually again during the second
half of 2017."
[
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-oil-output-idUSKBN14M0AZ
].
Important to note, the energy ministry said that Russia's crude oil exports (that had increased
by 4.8% in 2016), will rise again in 2017 despite output cuts.
Russian oil production: actual (2013-2016) and energy ministry's guidance for 1st half of 2017
(mb/d)
Presumably the guy who was buying it with no customer because he has tanks to put it in
and that's where it was to go. Maybe he's a collector of liquids and never intends to sell.
He just has to do without.
Based on the energy ministry's guidance, the actual reduction in Russia'a output will be
less than 300 kb/d, but it will still be a real cut, especially given that Russia was expected
to increase oil production by 200-300 kb/d in 2017.
Two other non-OPEC countries where
the cuts should be real are Oman and Kazakhstan, as they were also expected to increase
output.
In most other non-OPEC countries, including Mexico and Azerbaijan, output reduction will
simply match natural declines.
The table below is from the IEA OMR; the numbers include NGLs
"Presumably the guy who was buying it with no customer because he has tanks to put it in
and that's where it was to go. Maybe he's a collector of liquids and never intends to sell.
He just has to do without."
This is the most awesomely entertaining image of the week,
thank you Watcher!
"Even as oil prices are rebounding, we are closing out one of the worst years for the oil and gas
industry in decades. In 2016, the U.S. oil and gas industry defaulted on $39 billion in high-yield
energy debt, more than twice as much as the $15 billion in defaulted debt in 2015, according to
Fitch."
U.S. independent shale oil and gas producers are now cash flow neutral
From
the IEA Oil Market Report:
"So far, the shale and tight oil industry has always been characterized by
spending levels exceeding cash flow generated. Benefitting from the improved
price environment (including a 50% natural gas price increase over the last six
months), increased activity and enhanced cost efficiency, the US shale industry
is now closer to being able to fund capex programs within operational cash
flows. During 3Q16, for the first time in its history, the sector reached free
cash flow neutrality. In other words, after more two years of very difficult
times, the US shale business model seems on a much more sustainable path.
Nonetheless, it remains to be seen whether companies can remain cash flow
positive when the industry scales up activity and capital spending and as
upward pressure on costs once again takes hold."
Free Cash FLow for US Independents* (USD billion)
* / Free Cash Flow has been calculated analyzing balance sheets of about 50
US shale operators, having more than 80% of their revenues coming from shale
activities and covering over 60% of US tight oil and shale gas production
Operating cashflow
= net income excluding all non-cash items: depreciation and
amortization; asset writedowns; gains and losses on asset sales,
etc.
Operating cashflow includes only those interest expenses and taxes
that were actually paid during a certain period and differ from
"nominal" interest expenses and taxes that are shown in income
statement (as interest can be capitalized, tax payments can be
delayed, etc.).
In my view, operating cashflow is a better metric of oil and gas
companies' operating results than net income.
Free cashflow shows what is left in a company's coffer after it
has spent part of its cash on organic (non-acquisition) capex.
Negative free cashflow means that the company has to borrow money
to cover its expenses.
Positive free cashflow means that the company can pay down part of
its debt or keep free cash on its accounts.
Unlike oil majors, which tend to spend a significant part of
their cash on dividends and repurchase of their own shares, U.S.
E&Ps normally do not pay or pay relatively small dividends.
The above chart from the IEA monthly report shows that the group
of 50 largest shale companies have finally achieved free cash flow
neutrality in 3Q2016, which means their quarterly operating
cashflow is roughly equal to the sum of their capex and dividends.
That was due to a sharp reduction in capex and lower costs.
I came to similar conclusions, as the IEA, after looking at 2Q
and 3Q results from a few large U.S. shale companies.(Of course, my
sample group was much narrower than 50 companies).
The shale oil industry has been in positive cash flow situation
since prices got above 40 dollars a barrel. Sorry, this is a
meaningless assessment of a meaningless article. Positive cash
flow basis to what extent, exactly?
"Free cash flow (two words) shows what is left in a company's
coffer after it has spent part of its cash on organic
(non-acquisition) capex." Negative. This implies that all wells
being drilled by the 50 shale oil companies referenced are now
being paid for out of positive cash flow. I don't think so. If
so, at the expense of deleveraging, so what?
"Negative free cash flow (two words) means that the company
has to borrow money to cover its expenses." Define expenses,
please. Including developmental CAPEX?
"Positive free cash flow (two words) means that the company
can pay down part of its debt or keep free cash on its
accounts." Right. Give me a percentage of the total 50 shale
companies surveyed that paid down debt in 2016 and to what
extent, please. Last I looked even EOG did not have COH to cover
this years maturities.
"The above chart from the IEA monthly report shows that the
group of 50 largest shale companies have finally achieved free
cash flow neutrality in 3Q2016, which means their quarterly
operating cash flow (two words) is roughly equal to the sum of
their capex and dividends." How many of these stinking shale oil
companies even pay dividends? Come on, Alex. That's BS and you
know it. List the 50 and show their losses for 3Q16.
Shallow is right, positive cash flow fills the coke machine
down the hall, for the first time in 25 months, that's it. If
these shale guys are using cash flow to drill more stinking
wells, they are doing so at the expense of deleveraging legacy
debt. The marginal price per barrel of shale oil is a
meaningless metric now. All of these guys are up to their asses
in debt. Folks have got to let this ridiculous IEA, EIA, SPCA
and NCAA bunk go and get planted on earth about this shale oil
stuff. Nothing has changed in the past 5 months except that OPEC
added 5 dollars a barrel to the bottom line. Temporarily.
I guess our goal every time we have borrowed money to buy an
asset, be it an oil lease or otherwise, was to pay down the
loan principal to zero.
Further, we have not borrowed money to drill or work over
wells.
Currently, in the commodity spaces I am familiar with,
most asset values are still high, despite much lower
commodity prices (grains, oil and natural gas).
I assume increasing interest rates may change this, but
maybe not?
We looked at a small oil lease recently. It was priced as
if the price of oil was a steady $80. It sold for the asking
price. In the first quarter of 2016 the lease lost money on
an operating basis. It was barely cash flow positive for
2016. Fifteen years ago, the same lease, being also barely
cash flow positive in 2001, would have sold for 1/10 of the
current sale price, IMO.
Witness record acreage prices paid in the Permian earlier
this year.
Farmland is the same. Grain prices are down for the third
year, yet land is barely off highs. Net cash rental income,
after payment of real estate taxes, is 2.5% or less. This is
pre-income tax returns.
I am not smart enough to know what this means, or what one
should do in this situation, unfortunately.
I will say, however, I believe few now have the goal of
buying assets and paying the debt down to zero. It appears
commodity assets are now about leverage, churn and other ways
to make money from them, besides from the income produced by
the assets themselves.
One area that I think will only get worse is commodity
price volatility. I read a long article recently about this
with regard to grain prices, written by a large, well
respected farm management company. They have really put an
emphasis on marketing, they say farmers that don't
aggressively hedge will have a tough time.
This I believe is true for oil and gas too. Unfortunately,
the cost to hedge has risen dramatically. I recall buying put
options near the market for under a buck a barrel around
12-14 years ago. Those now go for $4+.
AlexS, I do not think operating cash flow is the only
metric to look at. If we had paid $150K per barrel in 2013
with borrowed funds, the fact that we have had positive
operating cash flow in 2016 would be of little solace.
I contend there is mucho debt in the industry that will
continue to be "rolled", little will be paid through net
operating income. However, much may be paid through equity
issuance.
I sure hope the upstream oil and gas industry is not a
microcosm for the whole economy. I'm not smart enough to know
that either.
"I am not smart enough to know what this means, or what
one should do in this situation, unfortunately."
That's
fascinating data, "shallow sand". This is the sort of
information I love to get so that I can analyze it, so
I'll give it a shot. This is first pass.
I think we're watching a bubble. This smells like
bubble.
(1) There is too much money among very rich people
chasing too few good investments. Accordingly, the prices
of investment products are getting bid up in a bubble.
(2) The bubble in oil, in particular, will burst as they
see how terrible the rates of return are.
(3) The middlemen and speculators are of course
exacerbating the bubble; they always do.
(4) When the bubble bursts, a lot of wealth will "vanish"
overnight. It is best to be out of it before it bursts -
sell at the top of the bubble if you can, and switch to
something which is selling with less inflated prices.
(5) Farmland might be the same sort of bubble. The other
possibility is that it might not have the same bubble
behavior: its value might increase - if you get the right
farmland, farmland which is likely to continue to do well
despite climate change - as there are definitely
predictions of droughts and crop failures coming in the
next few years.
(6) Because of the excess of investment money, it may be
impossible to find anything you're comfortable with which
isn't selling at inflated prices, sadly. Paying off debt
is an option if you have debt. Or insuring yourself
against liabilities (are all your well capping and
clean-shutdown costs prepaid?). That sort of thing.
Clueless should weigh in. I've seen the definition get massaged
here and there.
Cash flow is inputs and outputs, and while SS
is asking about interest above, that's not the debt focus. New
borrowing can be called a cash influx. I've seen it done. New
borrowing improves cash flow over a period measured. If you
define it that way, you can borrow your way to prosperity.
Watcher is mostly right. For example, there are only a small
minority of companies that use GAAP earnings as their primary
earnings measure. They all must report GAAP earnings, but
usually tout some other earnings measure as their earnings
that "are more useful for investors to understand the
company's financial performance." The GAAP earnings for the
most part are standardized. The "more useful" numbers are
based upon each company determining for themselves what they
will include/exclude. In many cases, totally self-serving.
However, they must provide a reconciliation between GAAP
earnings and the "more useful" earnings.
With respect to
cash flow, each 10-K (annual) report and 10-Q (quarterly)
report includes a GAAP standardized statement of cash flow.
You may not be able to glean the information that you seek
from that report, but it is the only one that I would trust.
Other statements that a company may make in presentations,
discussions, etc about "cash flow" I would not trust without
a complete detailed discussion of what they were
including/excluding in the calculation.
I used the term for GAAP earnings as being "somewhat"
standardized. With respect to oil and gas exploration
companies, there are 2 different acceptable GAAP standards:
successful efforts and full cost. Successful efforts expenses
dry holes. Full cost capitalizes them into the pool of
depletable costs and expenses them as the reserves are
depleted. [Kind of like a manufacturer. Say that quality
control finds one out of every 500 circuit boards to be
defective. The company does not immediately expense that
circuit board. The total manufacturing costs are allocated to
the inventory of 499 circuit boards.] But, in the event of
significant oil/gas price plunges, the calculation of the
amount of write-downs of capitalized/depletable property is
also different, depending on which method is used. That
becomes a big deal if prices fully recover, because the
write-downs are never reinstated.
Not very busy at this moment, so you got a lot of
rambling, which I hope is mostly correct.
Free cash flow is a widely used measure of a
company's financial performance.
Unlike breakeven price and similar indicators which everyone
calculates using its own methodology (and nobody discloses this
methodology), free cash flow can be easily calculated using the data
from company's SEC fillings.
Below is a definition of free cash flow from investopedia:
Free cash flow (FCF) is a measure of a company's financial
performance, calculated as operating cash flow minus capital
expenditures. FCF represents the cash that a company is able to
generate after spending the money required to maintain or expand its
asset base.
FCF is an assessment of the amount of cash a company generates
after accounting for all capital expenditures. The excess cash is used
to expand production, develop new products, make acquisitions, pay
dividends and reduce debt.
Some believe that Wall Street focuses only on earnings while
ignoring the real cash that a firm generates. Earnings can often be
adjusted by various accounting practices, but it's tougher to fake
cash flow. For this reason, some investors believe that FCF gives a
much clearer view of a company's ability to generate cash and profits.
However, it is important to note that negative free cash flow is not
bad in itself. If free cash flow is negative, it could be a sign that
a company is making large investments. If these investments earn a
high return, the strategy has the potential to pay off in the long
run. FCF is also better indicator than the P/E ratio.
FCF is a good indicator of the performance of a public company.
Many investors base their investment decisions on the free cash
generated by a company or its equity price to FCF ratio.
It may seem strange that shale companies had negative free cash
flow when oil prices were around $100, but achieved FCF neutrality
in 3Q16 when WTI averaged only about $45.
The explanation is very
simple. In 2010-14, shale companies were heavily investing, which
helped them to achieve double-digit growth in production and to
increase overall U.S. LTO output by ~1 mb/d each year in 2012-14.
While negative FCF is not necessarily negative, in this
particular case, shale companies' strategies proved
self-destroying.
1) Negative FCF led to accumulation of very high debt;
2) High demand from shale companies resulted in a sharp increase in
unit costs for oil services and other inputs;
3) Rapid growth in LTO production caused the glut in the the global
oil market and consequent drop in oil prices.
Lower oil prices led to a sharp reduction in shale companies'
operating cash flows. But these companies even more sharply reduced
their capex.
Finally, in 3Q2016 their combined capex was roughly equal to
combined operating cash flow.
The above chart from the IEA Oil Market Report shows it very
clearly.
AlexS. I do not disagree with you that the metrics you are
explaining (very well, I might add) are very important.
However, I assume you agree that balance sheets and estimates
of future cash flows are also important to look at.
In reality, all can be reviewed in SEC filings, which are the
only numbers that are reliable. Company power point
presentations are meant to be promotional material.
FCF is a good shapshot of a company's
financial performance in a particular period. Of course, it
is not sufficient for understanding of this company's whole
financial situation and its future prospects.
FCF neutrality in 3Q2016 means that the group of 50
companies didn't have to increase their debt, but debt
accumulated over the previous years remains on their balance
sheets and is a heavy burden for future development.
Furthermore, FCF neutrality was achieved thanks to lower
capex which resulted in declining oil production.
Higher oil and gas prices expected for 2017 should improve
oil companies' operating cash flows. A number of shale
players have already announced planned increases in capex of
10-50% for next year. That will likely reverse the decline in
LTO output. But higher capex will not allow shale companies
to achieve significant positive FCF, and hence to start
repaying their debt.
At $55-60 they will be able to only slightly increase
output by year-end 2017 vs. year-end 2016, while maintaining
FCF neutrality. A more aggressive increase in capex would
result again in negative FCF and increase in debt.
Furthermore, increase in shale companies' spending will
reverse oil service cost deflation, which was the main
contributor to declining unit costs in 2015-16.
In my view, a conservative financial and operational
strategy, with gradual and modest increases in capex, should
allow a moderate growth in LTO production over the next few
years without significant increase in debt levels.
But a return to previous growth rates of 1 mb/d p.a.
anticipated by some experts (including Rystad Energy) from
2018, would result in further deterioration of shale
companies' financial situation. And it would have a negative
impact on oil prices.
Yeah, something critically important in addition to free
cash flow is the growth (or, in *this* industry, decline)
trajectory. It's great to have free cash flow this year,
but if your wells all run out in two years and you haven't
drilled more, well, your free cash flow this year and next
*is the total value of the company*, because there won't
be any free cash flow in year three.
Well, actually,
it's not even that good: liabilities also have to be
considered.
Easier said than done. Look at the latest 10-Q for CLR. It seems to
me that there would be a lot of questions about their results,
especially when you look at their operating cash flow and notice
the large impairment charge that is added back, thereby not
affecting cash flow from operations negatively. But they lost that
cash almost as surely as if they drilled a dry hole.
clueless. Regarding CLR and SEC filings, I have brought up
several times that the company managed to reduce its estimate of
future production costs by 60% from 2014 to 2015, while only
reducing all categories of proved reserves by just 9% during the
same period.
I believe there were some things pulled to keep
PV10 above long term debt in 2015 and I expect the same for year
end 2016.
the large property impairment charge in CLR accounts
for 3Q2016 ( $57 million for 3Q and $203 million for 9 months of
2016) is the result of negative revaluation of their reserves
(due to lower oil price). It is reflected in the balance sheet
as lower net property and equipment (compared with previous
period) and as lower shareholers equity.
It is also shown in the income statement, but added back in cash
flow statement as that's not real cash paid by the company.
It's a paper loss.
Dry hole cost is very small ( $27 thousands for 3Q and $233
thousands for 9 months of 2016). The cost of drilling wells was
already accounted as capex. Then the cost of of successful wells
was capitalized (and added to PP&E in the balance sheet) and dry
hole costs are expensed and appear in the income statement as
expenses. But they are added back in cash flow statement as cash
paid for both succesful and dry wells was already included in
capex.
Alex, thank you for your detailed explanation of free cash
flow. After 40 years of operating oil and gas wells I
understand the definition very well. It can indeed be used,
as you have said, as a snapshot of financial activity within
in a brief period of time. As I have said, and Shallow, I
believe, it is of little importance in the grand scheme of
things. The shale oil industry is in serious financial
trouble and 5 dollars a barrel on the "hope" of OPEC cuts has
not changed that.
Its curious to me this intense need for some folks to make
predictions about the future. Predicting the role shale oil
might play in that future over the next decade, or decades,
without understanding the financial condition of those
companies extracting it, is a big mistake in my opinion. The
shale oil phenomena has not been paid for yet, nevertheless
you and others are counting on it decades thirty years from
now. I do not understand that, sorry. I really don't have
much to contribute here, it seems.
I agree LTO will contribute very little in the
grand scheme.
Lots of agencies and companies provide outlooks of the
future. The Chart below shows the BP Outlook 2016 for
C+C+NGL and my "medium" scenario for C+C+NGL with URR=3600
Gb for 2015 to 2035.
I don't know who is the author of that
article, but the very first phrase about operating cash
flow is a complete nonsense:
"The way Cash Flow from Operations is calculated is by
starting with net income (equity earnings) which doesn't
include interest paid to debt holders."
Of course, net income includes "Interest expense".
See CLR's 3Q accounts; income statement.
Net interest expense for the quarter was $82 million.
Developing countries, like China and India are urbanizing and their populations are becoming more affluent, this will increase
global energy demand 24% by 2040. This includes the ExxonMobil prediction that energy use efficiency will double (figure 4).
The world population will increase from 7.3 billion today to over 9 billion in 2040, with a much larger middle class population
(defined as >$14,600 and <$29,200 yearly for a family of 4) using energy than today. World GDP will effectively double by 2040.
Living standards will rise dramatically, especially in the developing world.
Natural gas consumption will increase 54 quadrillion BTUs by 2040. Nuclear and renewables will increase 24 and 20 quadrillion
BTUs, respectively. The 2040 energy mix will remain about the same as today (figure 5 and Table 1).
Rising electricity demand will drive the growth in global energy between now and 2040. The increase in the number of homes
with electricity, industrialization of the developing world and our increasingly digital and plugged-in lifestyles will drive
this growth. Half of global electricity demand is from industrial activity; thus good jobs can be lost if electricity costs
are too high. Jobs will move to locations where electricity is cheap, an example is the new Voestalpine steel plant in Corpus
Christi, Texas.
Crude oil and natural gas will remain the world's primary energy source. Even in 2040 oil and natural gas will supply 57%
of all energy demand, this is an increase from 56% today. Oil demand will grow 18% through 2040 and natural gas demand will
grow 44%. The developing world will account for the largest increases. Unconventional ("fracked") oil and gas, oil ("tar")
sands, and deep water oil production will account for over 25% of the liquid supply in 2040.
Carbon dioxide emissions will increase, at least until 2030."
High taxes create a "tax shield". The price at the pump in Europe is approx. 1/3 oil and refining and 2/3 tax and duty (see
http://euanmearns.com/energy-prices-in-europe/ ). Consumption
is therefore less responsive (inelastic) to the international oil market price compared to the USA. Also, Europeans have adapted
to this over time and drive smaller and more fuel efficient cars.
Several oil producers have cut back on subsidies during the last couple of years. This should restrict domestic demand increase.
Most oil exporters' oil consumption/capita will probably level off and never come close to the US figure. However, given the level
of population growth and demographics (young people) in MENA their domestic consumption is unlikely to reduce significantly (slight
increase seems more likely).
The only major exporter not there is Russia at 0.02, but President Trump will help them increase. Not an exporter, but FYI Singapore is highest I've seen at 0.24.
"The only major exporter not there is Russia at 0.02, but President Trump will help them increase."
How? Will he help to increase car fleet in Russia? KSA and its neighbours use a lot of oil for electricity generation.
Russia uses natural gas, nuclear, hydro and coal.
Just to add information, in Europe, taxes are split in two parts: excise (typically fixed amount) and VAT (variable amount). For
gas in Belgium, excise are about 0.60 per litre or half the price of gas.
So price variations due to oil international prices
are attenuated. Add to these that taxes decreases when oil price increase and increase when oil price decrease. This is a way
to guarantee revenue for the State when oil prices decrease.
Iceland is one of the biggest aluminum manufacturers in the world despite
importing 100% of the needed bauxite.
Cheap electricity.
The P&G plant that makes Charmin, Bounty, Luvs and
other products is located in Wyoming county, PA.
This plant has a couple of Marcellus gas wells right on the property that
produce all the heat and electricity needed.
There are currently a couple dozen of the largest, most efficient
Combined Cycle gas plants in the world being built/planned in Ohio, PA,
WV, and VA.
Cabot is directly supplying the gas to some to bypass pipeline
constraints while offering exceptionally economical fuel to these nearby
generators.
An industrial renaissance is in the early stages up that way due to
the massive supply of hydrocarbons.
After the Jean Laherrere post on global reserves I had a go at predicting a future supply trajectory
myself. It is based on 620 Gb developed declining at 4.35% annually; 150 Gb discovered and undeveloped
with about 120 identified from identified conventional projects on companies' books and 30 from
shale; and 25 Gb undiscovered represented by a linear decline from current discovery numbers over
twenty years. That gives 795 Gb reserves remaining – about what he had.
Note the figures in the legend give the overall production in the years shown on the chart.
Extra heavy oil is given as 30 kbpd coming on stream every year until 2023 representing the
drop off in tar sands development and probable falls in Venezuela production, and then 200 kbpd
added for every year after. As the projects take about 5 years to complete this would represent
about 8 in development at any one time, but also requiring projects for 3 or 4 upgraders, 1 or
2 pipelines and a new refinery to be ongoing in parallel.
For new conventional projects I assumed a one-year ramp up, a ten-year plateau and 10% yearly
decline to shut down after 25 years. The numbers coming on line until 2022 I've taken from what
is currently on the E&Ps books with some probable short-term projects that could be developed
in time. After that I just made reasonable guesses, assuming an extra three-year development time
from discoveries for ne fields.
The results aren't very different from Dennis Coyne's except there isn't a new peak (in 2018
which he is predicting – I don't know where that extra production could come from based on current
development activity) and there is a big gap in 2019 to 2022 reflecting the capital cuts over
the past 3 years.
The biggest issue for me is that, assuming exporter countries maintain the same overall internal
demand at about half current production, then net exports would fall by 50% in 2032 and to zero
by 2041. There is also a 20% decline in available exports between 2018 and 2023. Things wouldn't
be quite so clear cut as some countries will continue to export while other producers become net
importers.
If this is close to reality I don't see it making transition very easy. Apart from added renewables
and nuclear, and increasing efficiencies there will be a turn to gas if there is sufficient easily
available, a loss in demand from recession (depression in a lot of places I suspect), and I think
also an inevitable turn back to coal maybe with another push to in-situ gasification.
OK, I have to bring in a not-directly-oil-related comment, because it's related to demand.
My non-oil projections for growth of electric cars - which are the key technology displacing
oil usage. I believe since they are superior technology, they are essentially production-limited.
I believe price issues will be automatically addressed by economies of scale as production
increases.
So my production projections see a big increase in electric car sales in 2018 (thanks
to models we already know about). I believe the high sales in 2018 cause much, much more
capital , which causes much more investment by car companies. This takes 2-5 years to pay
off. So I see a huge increase in production (and therefore sales) in the 2020-2023 time
range.
Specifically - to get back to oil - I believe sometime in that time range, 2020-2023,
is when electric car sales per year become large enough to displace an amount of oil exceeded
the natural decline rate of oil fields (I've seen different estimates for that rate, but
it's a close enough range that it doesn't matter for this projection). This is still well
before market saturation is reached.
So combine this with your projection out to 2022, along with Laherrere's and Coyne's
projections out to 2022, all of which are similar. Before sometime in the 2020-2023 range,
we can expect petroleum demand to remain solid. But after that, demand will be dropping
faster than the natural drop in supply. There will be a *glut* of oil. There will be no
new drilling, or at least not profitably.
If a bunch of oil projects are started in the 2016-2023 period which start producing
after 2023, they won't pay off, they'll be big money-losers and make the glut worse. (With
a three-year project time, the glut will remain brutal for three years afterwards as old
projects go online.)
At that point, low oil prices become the determining factor in the size of reserves.
High-priced producers go bankrupt and shut down. Refineries, now with excess capacity, go
bankrupt and shut down. Refineries have to retool to optimize for aircraft kerosene production
instead of gasoline production. I think it's about this time - after a bunch of bankruptcies
which leave wells in a derelict state - that the regulators start going after the survivors
to cover their environmental liabilities preemptively, making them plug wells properly.
I'm not exactly sure how the rest of the shakeout happens, but I'm glad to be totally out
of the industry before then.
Thanks George. That's a fascinating chart. Thanks for breaking out the different production
sources. How the world is going to get by on 20% less available exports by 2018 to 2023
is going to be interesting. Zero available exports by 2041! That's gonna be a damned mess.
When oil prices rise in 2017 and 2018 there will be
increased output from Russia and OPEC, in my view.
A lot of output in those nations has relatively short time for
development, they just need to develop already discovered reserves, there
will also be some increase in US LTO output and Canadian oil sands output
with higher oil prices. Possibly the peak will be lower, but I expect a
at least a 50% probability that the 2015 peak will be surpassed.
Dennis – can you say what those resources are – i.e. field names,
expected production, time to develop. Because I know of nothing like
that, and can't think of anything in the past where 1 or 2 mmbpd has
been bought on line from FEED to plateau in 18 months, which is what
you seem to be assuming. I can only think of Iran as a possible source
– but most of their stuff is gas flood, that needs big compressors to
provide the injected gas – it is impossible to go through a design,
procurement and start-up cycle on such systems in under 24 months.
There are combined cuts of 1.7 Mb/d. That production from OPEC
and Russia can be brought online in June 2017. Also infill drilling
will increase in other nations as oil prices increase.. My scenario
is pretty conservative relative to IEA and EIA Outlooks.
I do not have information on specific fields and
developments.
The IEA and EIA do have this information and their future
outlooks are quite a bit more optimistic than what I have
presented. I believe that those estimates are too optimistic and
yours may be too pessimistic.
A problem with your analysis is that you seem to assume no
reserve growth just as Jean Laherrere does. I believe an
assumption of no future reserve growth leads to too pessimistic
an outlook.
US reserve growth from 1980 to 2005 was about 63%. I have
assumed C+C minus extra heavy reserves will grow by about 300 Gb
from 2010 to 2060 or 300/850=35% over 50 years. Perhaps that is
too optimistic, time will tell. Also I assume LTO resources in
the US are only about 40 to 50 Gb, possibly too optimistic, but
less so than the EIA.
Oil price appears to be
shyly
creeping up maybe because it's
testing the ceiling at where the economic engine starts sputtering and
backfiring?
A little late, but, just-viewed (and recommended)
The Overnighters
Desperate, broken men chase their dreams and run from their demons in
the
North Dakota oil fields
. A local Pastor risks
everything to help them.
"The Overnighters is a feature documentary produced, directed and
photographed by Jesse Moss was awarded the Special Jury Prize for
Intuitive Filmmaking [etc.]
'The director, Jesse Moss, plays it as it lays. An observational,
near-invisible presence, he fills the frame with the faces of economic
deprivation and bad choices, neither judging nor sugarcoating. What
emerges is a blue-collar meditation on the meaning of community and the
imperative of compassion.' ~ The New York Times, Critics' Pick, Jeanette
Catsoulis
'A remarkable nonfiction essay on golden rules and grand intentions
and oil booms that do not pay off for everyone a rich and troubling
documentary highlight of the year.' ~ The Chicago Tribune, Michael
Phillips
'Like a punch in the gut. I can't remember the last time a documentary
hit me so hard layered, provocative, and surprisingly intimate" ~
Leonard Maltin
'If John Steinbeck were writing in the second decade of the 21st
century, 'The Overnighters' is precisely the story he'd want to tell' ~
Salon, Andrew O'Hehir
Another year; another section of the Russian-roulette rollercoaster ride
(where corkscrews could mean missing rivets )
A ten percent drop in oil production over 12 years appears quite manageable.
All we need is a twenty percent efficiency gain in that time to handle it
easily. It will help push EV production.
Yes, there is value. The long term predicament has
potentially awful implications, and it seems better to prolong the status
quo than face the reality that things are changing. Increased production
efforts now will result in some additional supply coming online a few
years down the road when it will likely be sorely wanted.
Besides, the short term goal is more likely tax reductions and
subsidies that can affect balance sheets in the shorter term. In the oil
business, the long emergency is now. New production for the long term is
less critical than financial survival.
More free money is probably the only thing that will increase
production. I can't see reasoned investment decisions going to E&P in
this uncertain business climate, but free money clouds the view of risk,
so fools will rush in, if history repeats.
Yes, there is value in political hopium. Keeps the masses from
thinking about change.
The politicians won't do what we think they will anyway, for the most
part.
Oil and gas supply is now falling. The chart below shows pretty clearly why
there was a glut: over investment leading to over supply, which is now
correcting. Nothing much to do with demand reduction that I can see. One thing
I haven't seen discussed, and can't find find a lot of analysis on, is how much
either direct motor fuel subsidies (e.g. in producer countries and some other
developing countries) or high taxes in Europe tend to reduce the impact of
prices on demand changes. I'd be interested in any opinions or references.
This is the a boom and bust cycle combined with the end of life in a mature
basin looks like (for the UK – only one new field approval this year to
September).
And this is why the coming bust in supply might be a bit different from
previously – something changed in the oil industry in December 2014 and I
don't think things will play out quite as they have previously, even with
rapidly rising prices, given the debt load.
According to the
Energy Export
Databrowser
they were still exporting about 600,000 bpd in 2015. That
year their exports dropped by 21%. It is entirely possible that export
dropped past zero in 2016 and they became a net importer.
However I guess we will just have to wait until we have the total 2016
data. But if anyone else has any further data I would love to hear it.
"I had read somewhere that the value of imported refined products was
near to equaling the value of their exported crude."
Correct.
The drop in Mexico's net exports of crude oil and refined products was
much steeper in value terms than in volume terms. It declined from
US$26.2bn in 2011 to U.S.15.6 bn in 2014 and just 400 million in 2016.
Mexico: value of the foreign trade of crude oil and refined
products (billion U.S. dollars)
source: PEMEX
"It would be interesting to compare the money they earn exporting
crude to the money they spend importing refined products. Either way,
Mexico is on the brink. Just as Indonesia had to fall back on other
forms of revenue, like destroying their forests, once oil exports
became oil imports, Mexico will have to find something else to lean on
once oil doesn't pay the bills."
A sharp drop in the value of net
crude and product exports had a negative impact on Mexico's foreign
trade balance, which deteriorated from virtually zero in 2012 to a
deficit of US$14-15 in 2015-2016.
But that's not critical, as oil and product exports now account for
only 5% of Mexico's total exports, down from 16% in 2011.
SW, just curious but what do you think will cause this turnaround. That is
from the current glut to demand outstripping supply. US storage is near its
all time high and OECD storage is 300 million barrels above its 5 year
average.
OECD commercial inventories fell in October for the third month in a
row. They have drawn 75 mb since reaching a historical high in July,
but
remain 300 mb above the five-year average.
Product stocks have fallen
twice as quickly as crude during that period. Preliminary data show stocks
falling further across the OECD in November.
How much confidence do we have on oil storage accounting? According to
Art Berman much of it is unaccounted for oil. Looks like a very good way
to manipulate oil prices.
My take is that the powers of the world are
very much afraid of what a new global recession could do to the
shenanigans they have been running at the Central Banks to keep the
system from imploding and are very much decided to do everything on their
power to prevent a new global recession, and a very important part of it
is to keep oil price affordable to prevent the economy from stalling.
They cannot control neither production nor demand except by staging a
war, but as price is determined by the effect of the production/demand
ratio on oil storage, they can control price by rigging the storage
reporting. Unaccounted for oil could be the tool to do that.
For most of the world's oil storage, there is no reporting. We have
only the USA and a wild ass guess at OECD storage. We have nothing for
Eastern Europe, Africa or Asia.
WTI jumps up and down a few cents
when the US storage figures come out each week, but that's about it.
And when that happens the price very quickly reverts to what the
actual supply and demand dictates.
If there were actually storage reporting for most of the world's
oil, then your conspiracy theory might hold water. But there is not
and it does not.
This is a presentation by Amrita Sen at Energy Aspects a few months
ago. At the 4:30 minute mark she discusses worldwide crude draws.
She is claiming the only place in the world we are getting builds
is in the U.S. Not sure where they are getting their information.
Our post was NOT about conspiracy theories. It has number crunching
on the statistical fact that there is a huge discrepancy between US
crude oil production, imports, exports and refinery intakes.
I know the article said nothing about intentional
overreporting of crude oil stocks. It just occurred to me that
if intentional it could have a clear effect on oil prices.
Ron,
That USA is the only one reporting crude oil stocks makes it
easier to manipulate them, not harder.
Is the following correct?:
How do we know that there is a huge global excess in crude
oil?
We know there is some excess from multiple sources, but we only
know that there is a large excess from USA reported oil storage.
Where is that large excess in USA crude oil storage coming
from?
We don't know as 4 out of 5 barrels in USA crude oil storage are
from unaccounted-for oil.
I think the situation demands an explanation as large
unaccounted-for oil is a new phenomenon that started when oil
prices were very high.
"OECD storage is 300 million barrels above its 5 year average."
When
the IEA and all other oil market observers compare current storage levels
with 5-year average they miss two important things:
1) Global oil demand continues to increase. Therefore, in relative
terms (inventories as % of annual demand) the volume of oil in storage is
not as big as if we compare absolute volumes for this year and previous
years.
Thus, according to the IEA, global oil demand in 2017 should average
97.51 mb/d. This is 7.94 mb/d higher than in 2011 (89.57 mb/d) and 5.39
mb/d higher than 5-year (2011-2015) average (92.12 mb/d).
7,94 mb/d = 2898 million barrels/year
5.39 mb/d = 1966 million barrels/year
Now compare this with the 300 mbbls surplus in crude inventories vs
5-year average.
2) There are two "market buffers" that were always used as a measure
of over/under supply in the oil market.
The first are crude and product inventories. They are indeed above 5-year
average.
The second is OPEC spare capacity, which is well below historical
averages.
OPEC output cuts will result in decreasing inventories, but spare
capacity will increase.
"... The first coming of John A Hobson was, of course, Hobson (1902): Imperialism: A Study. In Hobson's schema, unequal income distribution combined with the limited physical capacity to consume of the rich meant that anything like full employment could be maintained only with a growing share of output devoted to government purchases and investment. But where were there vents for additional investment? Abroad, in the growing empire: ..."
"... "Investors who have put their money in foreign lands, upon terms which take full account of risks connected with the political conditions of the country, desire to use the resources of their Government to minimize these risks, and so to enhance the capital value and the interest of their private investments. The investing and speculative classes in general also desire that Great Britain should take other foreign areas under her flag in order to secure new areas for profitable investment and speculation " ..."
"... Moreover, the military apparatus necessary to conquer and to defend what had been conquered soaked up productive capacity that would otherwise have been idle. As Winston Churchill put it with respect to Great Britain's naval construction plans for the year 1909: "The Admiralty had demanded six [Dreadnought-class] battleships: the economists offered four: and we finally compromised at eight." Thus governments that embarked on imperialism and armaments found their domestic economies in relatively good shape with respect to employment, capacity utilization, and profits; while governments that minded their knitting did not. And even though imperialism and militarism were humanitarian and cost-benefit disasters, governments that pursued them tended to remain in office. And this pushed Europe toward World War I. ..."
"The point here is that argument by gotcha is even
worse now than usual. If you see progressive economists
saying different things about Trump deficits than they said
about Obama deficits, it's because the situation has changed,
and the very same models that called for fiscal stimulus when
Republicans pretended to be fiscally responsible say that
deficits are no longer good now that they're showing what
they always were."
Krugman isn't progressive, he's a "progressive neoliberal"
as opposed to democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders and
his supporters. Unlike the very, very angry thugs here in comments.
As Hillary said, "we're not Denmark." DeLong is right even as he strays off of the neoliberal
reservation. There are strong arguments for fiscal stimulus and
government investment. Progressive neoliberals have delivered us to this place
with their lackluster macro and corporate free trade. Krugman makes straw man arguments about "deficits." Nobody
is arguing about deficits.
I. The Third Coming of John A. Hobson
In my view, the current debate about "secular stagnation"
started by Larry Summers is best thought of as the third
coming of John A. Hobson.
The first coming of John A Hobson was, of course,
Hobson (1902): Imperialism: A Study. In Hobson's schema,
unequal income distribution combined with the limited
physical capacity to consume of the rich meant that anything
like full employment could be maintained only with a growing
share of output devoted to government purchases and
investment. But where were there vents for additional
investment? Abroad, in the growing empire:
"Investors who have put their money in foreign lands,
upon terms which take full account of risks connected with
the political conditions of the country, desire to use the
resources of their Government to minimize these risks, and so
to enhance the capital value and the interest of their
private investments. The investing and speculative classes in
general also desire that Great Britain should take other
foreign areas under her flag in order to secure new areas for
profitable investment and speculation "
Moreover, the military apparatus necessary to conquer
and to defend what had been conquered soaked up productive
capacity that would otherwise have been idle. As Winston
Churchill put it with respect to Great Britain's naval
construction plans for the year 1909: "The Admiralty had
demanded six [Dreadnought-class] battleships: the economists
offered four: and we finally compromised at eight." Thus
governments that embarked on imperialism and armaments found
their domestic economies in relatively good shape with
respect to employment, capacity utilization, and profits;
while governments that minded their knitting did not. And
even though imperialism and militarism were humanitarian and
cost-benefit disasters, governments that pursued them tended
to remain in office. And this pushed Europe toward World War
I.
"And
meanwhile I and other
Keynesians are getting
mail accusing us of
being the hypocrites"
Who is saying this?
Nobody. None of Thoma's
links have said this.
Krugman is just
setting up a straw man
argument. He ignores
what DeLong has to say.
Krugman:
"Now deficits are
fine at precisely the
moment when the economy
seems to be fairly close
to full employment, the
Federal Reserve is
starting to hike rates,
and the case for fiscal
expansion, while not
completely absent, is
fairly subtle, resting
mainly on the
precautionary motive."
The argument for
fiscal expansion isn't
subtle.
Bernie Sanders made
it very plainly. DeLong
makes it in his
discussion of the
secstags and Larry
Summers below (and yet
he was for Hillary
Clinton. Huh.)
Hillary Clinton's
proposed fiscal action
was such that Alan
Blinder didn't think it
would alter the path of
rate hikes by the Fed.
That is, she didn't
agree with Summer or
DeLong. She agreed with
Krugman.
Progressive
neoliberalism. It
doesn't work. It just
gives us the SecStags
and creates more and
more Trump voters.
In my view, the
current debate about
"secular stagnation"
started by Larry Summers
is best thought of as
the third coming of John
A. Hobson.
The first coming of
John A Hobson was, of
course, Hobson (1902):
Imperialism: A Study. In
Hobson's schema, unequal
income distribution
combined with the
limited physical
capacity to consume of
the rich meant that
anything like full
employment could be
maintained only with a
growing share of output
devoted to government
purchases and
investment. But where
were there vents for
additional investment?
Abroad, in the growing
empire:
Investors who have
put their money in
foreign lands, upon
terms which take full
account of risks
connected with the
political conditions of
the country, desire to
use the resources of
their Government to
minimize these risks,
and so to enhance the
capital value and the
interest of their
private investments. The
investing and
speculative classes in
general also desire that
Great Britain should
take other foreign areas
under her flag in order
to secure new areas for
profitable investment
and speculation
Moreover, the
military apparatus
necessary to conquer and
to defend what had been
conquered soaked up
productive capacity that
would otherwise have
been idle. As Winston
Churchill put it with
respect to Great
Britain's naval
construction plans for
the year 1909: "The
Admiralty had demanded
six [Dreadnought-class]
battleships: the
economists offered four:
and we finally
compromised at eight."
Thus governments that
embarked on imperialism
and armaments found
their domestic economies
in relatively good shape
with respect to
employment, capacity
utilization, and
profits; while
governments that minded
their knitting did not.
And even though
imperialism and
militarism were
humanitarian and
cost-benefit disasters,
governments that pursued
them tended to remain in
office. And this pushed
Europe toward World War
I.
It is conventional
among economists to not
understand Hobson's
"underconsumptionist"
argument. As Ben
Bernanke commented in
2013:
As I pointed out
[when] Larry first
raised the secular
stagnation argument
it's hard to imagine
that there would be a
permanent dearth of
profitable investment
projects. As Larry's
uncle Paul Samuelson
taught me in graduate
school at MIT, if the
real interest rate were
expected to be negative
indefinitely, almost any
investment is
profitable. For example,
at a negative (or even
zero) interest rate, it
would pay to level the
Rocky Mountains to save
even the small amount of
fuel expended by trains
and cars that currently
must climb steep grades.
It's therefore
questionable that the
economy's equilibrium
real rate can really be
negative for an extended
period
This, of course,
misses the point that
risk-bearing capacity is
an essential factor of
production needed for
private-sector business
investment, and risk
bearing capacity must be
mobilized and paid
for-and paid for very
handsomely given the
adverse selection and
moral hazard problems in
financing private
investment. A very
healthy average risky
rate of profit is
perfectly consistent
with a short-term safe
real rate of interest
less than the negative
of the rate of
inflation.
For Hobson, of
course, the solution was
progressive tax and
transfer (and perhaps
predistribution?)
policies to end the
Gilded Age and create a
reasonable distribution
of income, in which
fortunes would not be in
the hands of those whose
stomachs were small and
whose narrow eyes were
not much bigger, and who
would thus hoard rather
than spend their
incomes.
The second coming of
John A. Hobson was, of
course, Alvin Hansen
(1939). Secular
stagnation was "sick
recoveries which die in
their infancy and
depressions which feed
on themselves and leave
a hard and seemingly
immovable core of
unemployment " We were
"rapidly entering a
world in which we must
fall back upon a more
rapid advance of
technology than in the
past if we are to find
private investment
opportunities adequate
to maintain full
employment " For Hansen,
the solution was either
(a) more investment in
research and development
to speed technological
progress, or (b) public
investment "in human and
natural resources and in
consumers' capital goods
of a collective
character "
In some sense
Hobson's fears became
true and more than true:
World War I, and what
followed. And when the
world economy reoriented
itself after World War
II we were no longer in
a Gilded Age but,
rather, in an Age of
Social Democracy with a
much more equal income
distribution-and so
Hobson's unequal income
distribution and
resulting
underconsumptionist
worries were no longer
relevant.
Alvin Hansen's
worries were similarly
obsolete as the
post-World War II order
formed itself. We got
the greater public
investment, both in
research and development
to spur more rapid
technological
progress-DARPA-and in
the Cold War arms race.
The Wheel Has Turned
Again
The Longer
Depression: But now the
wheel of history has
turned once again. We
have a Second Gilded
Age. We have had what
looks to have been
either the
second-largest or the
largest adverse
financial business-cycle
shock in history. We
have had an economic
downturn followed by a
very slow recovery that
has produced and will
produce a cumulative
output gap vis-a-vis
potential that will
rival and may well
exceed the Great
Depression itself as a
multiple of the
economy's productive
potential.
But it is not just
what people call "the
Great Recession" and
should call "the Longer
Depression". It is the
long, steady decline in
safe interest rates at
all maturities since
1990: the decline in
short-term safe real
interest rates from 4%
to -1.5%, and the
decline in long-term
safe real interest rates
from 5% to 1%.
B. Larry's Core
Worry: And so now we
have Larry Summers
(2013), reacting to the
collapse of the
short-term safe nominal
Wicksellian "neutral"
rate of interest
consistent with full
employment and with
central banks' ability
to hit their inflation
targets.
We are handicapped
because there is not one
place in which Larry has
developed his argument:
it is evolving. But the
debate Larry has started
seems to me, as I wrote,
"the most important
policy-relevant debate
in economics since John
Maynard Keynes's debate
with himself in the
1930s."
Summers's core fear
is that the global
economy-or, at least,
the North Atlantic chunk
of it-will be stuck for
a generation or more in
a situation in which, if
investors have
realistically
expectations, then even
if central banks reduce
interest rates to
accommodate those
expectations and even if
governments follow
sensible but not
extravagant fiscal
policies, private
financial markets will
still fail to support a
level of investment
demand compatible with
full employment.
Thus economic
policymakers will find
themselves either hoping
that investors form
unrealistic
expectations-prelude to
a bubble-or coping with
chronic ultralow
interest rates and the
associated risks of
stubbornly elevated
unemployment.
III. Causes of
Secular Stagnation III
Such "badly behaved
investment demand and
savings supply
functions," as Martin
Feldstein called them
when he taught this
stuff to me at Harvard
back in 1980, could have
seven underlying causes:
High income
inequality, which boosts
savings too much because
the rich can't think of
other things they'd
rather do with their
money. (Hobson)
Technological and
demographic stagnation
that lowers the return
on investment and pushes
desired investment
spending down too far.
(Hansen)
Non-market actors
whose strong demand for
safe, liquid assets is
driven not by
assessments of market
risk and return but
rather by political
factors or by political
risk. (Bernanke)
A broken financial
sector that fails to
mobilize the
risk-bearing capacity of
society and thus drives
too large a wedge
between the returns on
risky investments and
the returns on safe
government debt.
(Rogoff)
Very low actual and
expected inflation,
which means that even a
zero safe nominal rate
of interest is too high
to balance desired
investment and planned
savings at full
employment. (Krugman,
Blanchard)
Limits on the demand
for investment goods
coupled with rapid
declines in the prices
of those goods, which
together put too much
downward pressure on the
potential profitability
of the investment-goods
sector.
Technological
inappropriateness, in
which markets cannot
figure out how to
properly reward those
who invest in new
technologies even when
the technologies have
enormous social
returns-which in turn
lowers the private rate
of return on investment
and pushes desired
investment spending down
too far.
A. Other Economists'
Views as Partial: The
first thing to note is
that other economists
who have been worrying
at related issues have
views all of which
appear to be a subset of
Summers-style secular
stagnation concerns.
Hobson saw income
inequality as the
root-that's number 1 on
the list. Hansen saw
demographic and
technological
stagnation-that's number
2, and today this point
of view is echoed by
Gordon. Bernanke, the
former Federal Reserve
chairman, says we have
entered an age of a
"global savings glut"
because of mercantilism
and political risk in
emerging markets-that's
number 3 on the list.
Kenneth Rogoff of
Harvard points to the
emergence of global
"debt supercycles" that
have broken the ability
of financial markets to
do the risk
transformation on a
large enough
scale-that's number 4.
CUNY's Paul Krugman
warns of the return of
"Depression economics"
and seeks central banks
that will "credibly
promise to be
irresponsible", while
Olivier Blanchard called
for a 4%/year inflation
target-that's number 5.
And numbers 6 and 7 have
not yet made their
appearance in the
policy-macroeconomic
debate. But they should.
Larry Summers is all
of the above: all seven.
B. Against Partial
Explanations: And his
major concern is to
argue against those who
think that it is just
one of the seven that is
the problem-that there
is a quick fix, which
will either come of
itself relatively soon
or could be brought
forward in time via a
simple, clever policy
move. Thus Summers on
Bernanke:
Ben suggest[s] the
savings glut is a
relatively transitory
phenomenon that will be
repaired. Perhaps in the
fullness of time [but]
it is very difficult to
read market judgments
about real interest
rates as suggesting that
that is likely . For the
relevant medium‐term
policy horizon (as I
have no useful views
about 2040 or 2050) the
challenge of absorbing
savings in productive
investment will be the
overriding challenge for
macroeconomic policy
And Summers on
Rogoff:
Ken Rogoff argues
that the current
weakness is the
temporary result of
over‐indebtedness . The
debt super‐cycle view
does not have a ready
explanation for the low
level of real interest
rates, nor does it have
a ready explanation for
the fact that real
interest rates have
fallen steadily . Ken
suggests an alternative
hypothesis for
explaining the low level
of real interest rates
a generalized increase
in the level of risk .
[But] you would expect
[that] to lead to a
decline, rather than an
increase, in asset
values, given that it
was those assets that
had become more risky.
You would expect it to
manifest itself in a
measurable and clear
increase in implied
volatilities, as
reflected in options
markets. You would
expect it to reflect
itself in a dramatic
increase in the pricing
of out‐of‐the‐money
puts. But the opposite
has occurred . The
length of time that
markets are forecasting
low real interest rates
makes the stagnation
fairly secular or the
debt super‐cycle very
long, at which point the
distinction blurs.
And what is the
temporary debt‐overhand
induced headwind that is
thought to be present in
a major way today but
that will be gone in
three years? Corporate
balance sheets are
flush. The spread
between LIBOR and other
yields are low. Debt
service ratios are at
abnormally low levels.
Whatever your indicator
of repair from the
financial crisis, it has
mostly happened. And yet
with interest rates of
zero, the United States
is still likely to grow
at only two percent this
year. I do not see a
good reason to be
confident that that
situation will be
significantly better
three years from now .
Any debt overhang
would itself be
endogenous. Why did we
have a vast erosion of
credit standards by
2005? Why were interest
rates in a place that
enabled such bubbles?
Because that was what
was necessary to keep
the economy going with
adequate aggregate
demand through that
period. So even if a
debt overhanging were
occurring it would in a
sense be a mechanism
through which secular
stagnation or
over‐saving produces
damage. It is not an
alternative to the idea
of secular stagnation
Summers's rejection
of the Krugman-Blanchard
higher-inflation-is-the-solution
position as a sufficient
and quick fix seems to
me more subtle. I do not
think he has set it out
clearly. But what
Summers is thinking-or
at least what the Larry
Summers emulation module
I have running on my own
wetware is thinking-is
this:
There are worthy
private risky investment
projects and unworthy
ones. Worthy risky
projects have a
relatively low
elasticity with respect
to the required real
yield-that is, lowering
interest rates to
rock-bottom levels would
not induce much more
spending. In contrast,
unworthy risky
investment projects have
a high elasticity. Thus,
when safe interest rates
get too low, savers who
should not be bearing
risk nonetheless reach
for yield-they stop
checking whether
investment projects are
worthy or unworthy.
Put it another way:
there are people who
should be holding risky
assets and there are
people who should be
holding safe assets. The
problem with boosting
inflation so that the
central bank can make
the real return on
holding safe assets
negative is that it
induces people who
really should not be
holding risky assets to
buy them.
I would speculate
that, deep down, Summers
still believes in one
tenet of inflation
economics: that
effective price
stability-the
expectation of stable 2
percent inflation-is a
very valuable asset in a
market economy. It
should not be thrown
away.
C. Seeking Not a Cure
But Palliatives: For
Summers, secular
stagnation does not have
one simple cause but is
the concatenation of a
number of different
structural shocks un- or
only loosely-connected
with each other in their
origin that have
reinforced each other in
their effects pushing
the short-term safe
nominal Wicksellian
"neutral" rate down
below zero. But even
though there is no one
root cause, there are
two effective
palliatives to
neutralize or moderate
the effects.
Thus Summers calls
for two major policy
initiatives:
Larger and much more
aggressive progressive
tax and transfer (and
predistribution?)
policies to end the
Second Gilded Age.
A major shift to an
investment-centered
expansionary fiscal
policy as the major
component of what
somebody or other once
called "a somewhat
comprehensive
socialisation of
investment [as] the
only means of securing
an approximation to full
employment not
exclud[ing] all manner
of compromises and of
devices by which public
authority will cooperate
with private
initiative "
I think he has a
very, very strong case
here.
D. Achieving
Potential: The standard
diss of Larry was that
even though his promise
was immense-he was
brilliant, provocative,
creative, and so willing
to think outside-the-box
that you sometimes
wondered whether he knew
where the box was or
even if there was a
box-there was no great
substantive contribution
but only a bunch of
footnotes to lines of
inquiry that really
"belonged" to others.
"Thus Summers calls for
two major policy
initiatives:
Larger
and much more aggressive
progressive tax and
transfer (and
predistribution?)
policies to end the
Second Gilded Age.
A major shift to an
investment-centered
expansionary fiscal
policy as the major
component of what
somebody or other once
called "a somewhat
comprehensive
socialisation of
investment [as] the
only means of securing
an approximation to full
employment not
exclud[ing] all manner
of compromises and of
devices by which public
authority will cooperate
with private
initiative "
I think he has a
very, very strong case
here."
That wasn't Hillary
Clinton's platform. Yes
she was better than
Trump, but not good
enough.
Global oil demand growth remains steady, despite all the talk about EVs,
renewables and efficiency gains.
According to the IEA estimate, oil demand was up 1.37 mb/d in 2016, 120 kb/d
above their previous forecast.
Growth in 2017 is now seen at 1.32 mb/d, 90 kb/d higher than in November's OMR.
Both numbers are above long-term average annual increase of 1.17 mb/d in
2000-16.
From 2000 to 2017 global demand is projected to increase by 20.4 mb/d
Global
oil demand (mb/d)
Sources: IEA Oil Market Report December 2016; Annual Statistical Supplement
2015.
In the past several years, the general trend in short and medium-term global
demand forecasts revisions was upward.
The most recent IEA forecast for 2017 (from the Oil Market Report December
2016) is 0.7mb/d higher than in the Medium-Term Oil Market Report issued in
February 2016 and almost 2 mb/d higher than in the MTOMR-2012
IEA global
oil demand forecasts, 2012 – December 2016 (mb/d)
AlexS. Once again, I very much appreciate your posts, and I am sure many
others do as well.
It is interesting to look at these forecasts after
the fact.
As for price prediction forecasts, my view is those are simply too
difficult given the volatility in oil prices the last 15+ years. Much
depends on OPEC policy, as we are once again seeing.
US producers should be very thankful OPEC chose to cut, IMO.
Oil prices are indeed difficult to forecast. And the
EIA had underestimated future oil prices in its International Energy
Outlook 2006. But not by much.
Price assumptions in the IEO-2006 are for the average price of
imported low-sulfur, light crude oil to U.S. refiners. And these are
REAL prices in 2004 dollars.
The EIA provides annual, monthly and weekly-average prices for
imported oil both in nominal and real (US CPI-adjusted) terms.
Real prices are in 2016 dollars, but it is easy to re-calculated those
numbers in 2004 dollars.
The average for the period 2006-2016 was $63.95 (in 2004 dollars),
about $10-12 higher than in the IEO-2006 projections, but not 2 times
higher.
U.S. imported crude oil prices (annual average), nominal and real
(in 2004 dollars)
Good point, not that far off for a ten year average.
Price risk management through hedging is one of the most
important aspects of managing an independent upstream oil and gas
company. Also a difficult one. In hindsight this was one of the
biggest blunders we made. We maybe are continuing to make it?
I've got a perfectly lovely cyclical model of oil prices. It's great,
except that the trouble is that it doesn't actually tell you how long
each phase of the cycle is.
Perfectly nice for after-the-fact fitting, useless for predicting the
price in 201X.
Has there been a country before in which oil and gas production has stopped? I
can't think of one, but Denmark might be the first in coming years, what with
DONG pulling out of fossil fuels, cancellation of an oil project last year (I
think the last real prospect for them – I've forgotten the name though) and now
this:
"Maersk Oil today confirmed it would cease production on its North Sea Trya
field. The operator said it had failed to identify an economically viable
solution for the full recovery of the remaining resources in the Denmark's
largest gas field. Maersk Oil COO Martin Rune Pedersen said: "Tyra has since
1984 been the main hub for gas production and processing in the Danish North
Sea. The Tyra facilities are approaching the end of their operational life, and
together with our partners in DUC we have assessed solutions for safe
decommissioning and possible rebuilding of the Tyra facilities."'
As I recall the seafloor had been subsiding as the reservoir pressure has
been reduced. Jacking up existing facilities or rebuilding would be expensive
for the remaining gas resource. I think the hub receives associated gas from
some oil fields which will need to be rerouted as part of the decommissioning.
I thought it might be useful/amusing to have a look at a decade old IEA
forecast (2006) to see how it panned out
I went back to the Oil Drum
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/6/20/231220/551
and had a look at Stuart Staniford´s graphs
Third graph down
Eyeballing the numbers for 2016
Total liquids – a smidgeon under 100 million barrels a day (over by about 4%)
OPEC about 38-39 million barrels a day – spot on
Unconvential about 8 million barrels a day (and no one was talking about LTO
then)
It's not IEA (International Energy Agency).
It's EIA (Energy Information Administration) International Energy Outlook,
2006 edition.
There is no numbers for each year, particularly for 2016.
But we can compare the EIA's projections for 2015 made in 2006 with actual
numbers for 2015 from the EIA Short-Term Energy Outlook, Dec. 2016.
I would say that at least the aggregate numbers from a forecast issued 10
years ago look surprisingly good:
World liquids supply in 2015: EIA IEO-2006 projections vs. actual (mb/d)
If we take into account supply outages (particularly, in Libya), which
were difficult to predict 10 years ago, and the sharp drop in oil prices,
which had a negative impact on non-OPEC output, the EIA's projections
made in 2006 look extremely good.
I'm sure, projections made by the TOD
contributors 10 years ago were much worse.
Especially funny now looks the comment to the last graph in the
article:
"Note the bump in historical US production from the late 1970s on is
due to the startup of Alaskan production. Apparently, the EIA has found a
domestic oil source significantly better than Alaska, and production from
it will be starting soon."
We now know that this domestic source was LTO, and actual U.S. total
liquids (C+C+NGLs+biofuels) production is even higher than shown in the
chart below from
Mr. Staniford's article:
The EIA forecast from 2006 must also be viewed in light of their price
prediction. They assumed oil price would drop again from 60$/b at the
time and hover around 50$ until 2030. What would US and world oil
production be now if oil price had stayed at 50$?
Also consider the message they were sending the time when there was
a supply crunch imminent, seriously threatening the world economy.
Move along, nothing to see here, everything will be back to normal.
This was most definitely not competent forecasting.
What supply crunch was imminent in 2006?
There was a temporary decline in demand during the 2008-09 global
recession, and subsequent cut in OPEC supply ( >2 mb/d) in order to
support prices. But between 2005 and 2015 global petroleum and
other liquids supply increased by 11 mb/d. That's less than
projected by the EIA, but 11 mb/d increase is not a crunch
Three, Four... Many Secular Stagnations!
by Brad DeLong
January 07, 2017 at 05:25 AM
...
C. Seeking Not a Cure But Palliatives: For Summers, secular stagnation does not have one
simple cause but is the concatenation of a number of different structural shocks un- or
only loosely-connected with each other in their origin that have reinforced each other in
their effects pushing the short-term safe nominal Wicksellian "neutral" rate down below
zero. But even though there is no one root cause, there are two effective palliatives to
neutralize or moderate the effects.
Thus Summers calls for two major policy initiatives:
1. Larger and much more aggressive progressive tax and transfer (and predistribution?)
policies to end the Second Gilded Age.
2. A major shift to an investment-centered expansionary fiscal policy as the major
component of what somebody or other once called "a somewhat comprehensive socialisation of
investment [as] the only means of securing an approximation to full employment not
exclud[ing] all manner of compromises and of devices by which public authority will
cooperate with private initiative "
I think he has a very, very strong case here.
..."
Be more like Denmark.
Although technocratic, these are more socialist than progressive neoliberal solutions.
Progressive neoliberalism with its emphasis on private sector "solutions" helped to bring
about our so-called secular stagnation.
Why didn't Summers back
Bernie Sanders over Clinton?
Peter K. ->
Peter K....
, -1
Krugman in today's links:
"Now deficits are fine at precisely the moment when the economy seems to be fairly close to
full employment, the Federal Reserve is starting to hike rates, and the case for fiscal
expansion, while not completely absent, is fairly subtle, resting mainly on the
precautionary motive. "
Interesting factoid: that's about what the US now projects to
spend on renewables in that time frame, with about the same
GDP.
Libezkova -> sanjait...
, -1
In order to start spending on renewables we need higher gas
prices and, probably, higher electricity prices too. This is
a recipe for the recession.
God, we fall back even in hybrids with the crush of gas
prices.
East-West high voltage lines are needed to balance the
generation and they are very expensive.
Balancing solar/wing "rapid fire" gas generation electro
stations are very expensive too.
So IMHO without a severe cut in military budget (and
abandoning the idea of building a global neoliberal empire
led by the USA) this all wishful thinking.
is the usa immune to this kind of stagnation? if so,
why?
Libezkova -> yuan...
, -1
> "is the usa immune to this kind of stagnation? if so,
why?"
Impoverishment of population under neoliberalism pushes
the economy into recession. Not enough demand so unless
exports compensate for this you are cooked. To make the
situation much worse Japan is net oil importer.
The USA like Japan is importer too (actually the largest
one) but it has large domestic production: forth largest
(data below are for 2015):
== quote ==
Country | Production (bbl/day) | Share of World's output
(Percentage)
1 Russia 10,107,000 14.05%
2 Saudi Arabia 9,735,200 13.09%
3 United States 9,373,000 12.23%
4 China 4,189,000 5.15%
5 Canada 3,603,000 4.54%
6 Iraq 3,368,000 4.45%
7 Iran 3,113,000 4.14%
== end of quote ==
Simultaneously the USA is the owner of world reserve
currency (in which oil is predominantly traded). That also
helps.
Those two factors as well as the fact that the Fed put
the economy on life support in 2011 again might be one
reason why the USA still (formally) is not in perma-recession
(secular stagnation), but it might be in the pipeline with
oil prices reverting or exceeding the previous maximum.
Which might be a matter of the next three-five years.
Trump still might be lucky but "after Trump" might be not.
If we measure income of the lower 80% of the US
population I am not that sure the USA is doing that well
and the economics is out of the wood. Real GDP per capita
has increased since 2009 while the real median income per
household has not, indicating a trend toward greater
income inequality (and/or smaller households). Extreme
poverty ( households living on less than $2 per day before
government benefits), doubled from 636,000 to 1.46 million
households (including 2.8 million children) between 1996
and 2011, with most of increase occurring between late
2008 and early 2011
Most jobs created since 2008 are McJobs in service
sector, but a lot of jobs eliminated were permanent
reasonably paying jobs. So domestic demand is dropping and
with the credit lines already overextended there is no
light at the end of the tunnel.
Of course, neoliberal "cult of GDP" (aka "pro-growth")
crowd will deny this, but now GDP includes everything
including such activities as gambling (and in GB
prostitution). In other words, it is probably slightly
fudged, much like inflation numbers.
This is my hypothesis, anyway... My impression is that
markets got ahead of themselves in the current rally.
Real capitalism, the policies that place a priority on
building more capital, solve most income inequality,
because you can't build capital without paying a lot of
workers, and when lots of workers are being paid, they can
demand more pay, and at the same time, more capital means
more production, and to sell all the increased production,
prices must equal the wages paid for both operations and
for building all the capital.
Economies are zero sum, at
least in the long run. Since conservatives have adopted
free lunch economics, the idea that economies are not zero
sum, the idea that prices can far exceed wages paid,
profits come out of ever increasing debt, which is
basically paying for current production using labor from
the future.
Since Reagan and the conservative embrace of free lunch
economics, private and public debt has exploded,
committing trillions in future wages to paying for past
consumption.
A sign of the past consumption is in the decaying value
of infrastructure. Flint water is a case of bipartisan
free lunch economics. Can't charge higher rates for water
starting in 1950 and keep hiking water rates because
paying workers cost too much, and the unemployed, or
underemployed workers being paid too little because low
prices require not paying workers, can not afford higher
water rates to pay workers which would lift all wages in
Flint. By not paying workers for the past 75 years, the
water system capital has been consumed, thus creating
billions in debt for the continued supply of clean water.
Multiply Flint water by the hundred thousand
communities who made similar bipartisan free lunch
economic policy decisions on water, sewer, energy,
transportation, education, housing, communications, and
the US has trillions in debt to be the leader in national
economic power globally that the US was in the 60s.
Even in health, the US has run up trillions in debt by
failing to pay more for better health capital over the
past half century. Better health in human capital is
costly because humans would need to work more every hour
of the day for free. Like walking or biking instead of
driving. People hate public transit because it can be
provided only by having central nodes to use it, requiring
human power to get to and from those nodes.
But having placed a priority on using cars to move more
than the distance to where the car is parked, paying to
use cars has not been high enough, so the roads are
trillions in debt in carrying capacity.
But hey, we can't charge higher prices to use cars
because the low wage food workers stuck in that job
because they lost their road construction job, can not
afford to pay more for using a car to pay more road
construction workers.
Even hard
core conservatives know this is not true in general. Per
financial markets, Milton Friedman would tell you how
backwards this claim really is. Of course he grew up
during the Great Depression so he saw even as a kid how
destructive financial crises can be. Maybe you should read
some of what he wrote about that period.
People like Warren Buffet make their bread and butter on
market crashes - they have lots of reserve cash and can
buy up equities at bargain basement prices. Personally I
missed the boat by a year because I'm small potatoes but I
got in by 2010 and did very well indeed.
I think one of
the biggest distortions is in big Pharma, where the
government pays for a lot of the research and gets nigh on
none of the return, and excessive patent and patent
manipulation allow pharma to rip off consumers.
This is essentially medical care, which really should
be a public good. It's not, it's a distorted market.
"... Refining runs increased sharply, particularly on the U.S. Gulf Coast, the main refining hub in the United States. While end-year refinery activity tends to increase, this was larger than expected. ..."
"Oil prices fall on big build in U.S. gasoline, distillate stocks"
By David Gaffen...NEW YORK...Jan 5, 2017...12:10pm EST
"Oil prices slipped on Thursday after a surprisingly large increase in U.S. inventories of
gasoline and distillates, slamming the brakes on an early rally on news that Saudi Arabia had
started talks with customers about reducing crude sales.
U.S. crude stocks fell sharply to end the year, the Energy Information Administration said,
with a draw of 7 million barrels, but stocks of gasoline and distillates surged as refiners ramped
up production to reduce crude inventories, a typical year-end practice to avoid higher taxes.
Refining runs increased sharply, particularly on the U.S. Gulf Coast, the main refining hub
in the United States. While end-year refinery activity tends to increase, this was larger than
expected.
"The magnitude of the products changes were much larger than expected and overwhelming somewhat
supportive crude data," said Scott Shelton, energy specialist at ICAP in Durham, North Carolina.
The big boost in product inventories was seen as bearish, wiping out a rally that had pushed
U.S. crude prices to a high of $54.12 on the day, and dropped U.S. gasoline margins to two-week
lows..."
...For anyone who believes that progress should remain the
compass guiding societies in the twenty-first century, the
priority is to redefine it in today's context and to spell
out the corresponding policy agenda.
Even leaving aside other important dimensions of the issue
– such as fear of globalization, growing ethical doubts about
contemporary technologies, and concerns about the
environmental consequences of growth – redefining progress is
a challenge of daunting magnitude. This is partly because a
sensible agenda must simultaneously address its
macroeconomic, educational, distributional, and spatial
dimensions. It is also because yesterday's solutions belong
to the past: a social compact designed for an environment of
high-growth, equalizing technological progress won't help
address the problems of a low-growth world of divisive
technological innovation.
In short, social justice is not a matter only for
fair-weather environments. For several decades, growth has
served as a substitute for sensible social cohesion policies.
What advanced societies need now are social compacts that are
resilient to demographic shifts, technological disruptions,
and economic shocks.
In 2008, US President Barack Obama campaigned on "hope"
and "change we can believe in." The substantive response to
the reactionary revival must be to give content to this
largely unfulfilled promise.
That last sentence is where analysis must really start, not
stop.
And this sentence "What advanced societies need now
are social compacts that are resilient to demographic shifts,
technological disruptions, and economic shocks. " is a ready
made argument for a national dividend - isn't it. But he
doesn't have the guts to say it.
But anyway, I think I should come back to the story that
we are chasing the wrong theory of politics. We need to spend
much more time building a narrative about what we want to
happen and then get experts to decide how best to acchieve
that. The general public are not the people to decide HOW to
go about it. They should be deciding WHERE we should go.
"On December
30, a Russian government outlet announced that American service companies are scheduled to work on
the Arctic offshore platform Prirazlomnaja for three months this summer – an activity which could
potentially violate U.S. sanctions"
"On December 30, a Russian government outlet announced that American service companies are scheduled
to work on the Arctic offshore platform Prirazlomnaja for three months this summer – an activity
which could potentially violate U.S. sanctions.
The maintenance period itself is unremarkable: parts of Prirazlomnaja's topsides date to 1984,
and the offshore environment above the Arctic Circle is extraordinarily hard on equipment. However,
it is not clear that an American firm could perform the work without a waiver from the U.S. Department
of the Treasury. The platform is owned by Gazprom Neft, and to penalize Russia for the annexation
of Crimea, the Treasury prohibits American firms from providing this firm (and others) with goods,
services or technology for "exploration or production for deepwater, Arctic offshore, or shale projects
that have the potential to produce oil."
If these sanctions are still in place this summer, the unnamed American service companies could
be liable for civil penalties. Recent enforcement actions have led to multimillion-dollar fines for
the most egregious sanctions cases.
There is a possibility, however, that the sanctions might be lifted by the incoming Trump administration,
which will enter office January 20. President-elect Trump's team says that he remains undecided on
whether to lift the Ukraine sanctions program, and his appointee for Secretary of State, ExxonMobil
CEO Rex Tillerson, has a close relationship with the Russian government due to projects that sanctions
now prohibit: he received the Russian Order of Friendship in 2013 for collaboration with Rosneft
on a major Arctic drilling program. Tillerson is a critic of sanctions in general, and his firm still
has billions at stake in Russian joint ventures. Last year, the head of ExxonMobil's Russian operations
said that the company stands ready to return once sanctions are lifted.
Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, recently told Politico
that he considers Tillerson's nomination "as a clear sign of intent that Trump is going to remove
sanctions." Procedurally, this would only require an executive order from the president – and American
service companies could proceed to Prirazlomnaja as scheduled."
You need also to take into account that 2016 was the second highly anomalous year in a row:
oil prices were hovering below $50 most of the year, while they were above $100 in 2013 and close
at the beginning of 2014.
That is a huge financial stimulus for the US economy, as one cent of the drop of gasoline prices
is approximately equal to one billion stimulus
Actually this drop might well be the result of Obama Iran gambit, which probably helped to crash
oil prices and thus secured more smooth run of the US economy in 2015 and 2016.
And it was financial sector which financed shale bubble in the USA and corresponding junk bond
boom.
What will be the trajectory of oil prices in 2017 is difficult to say. I think rise to $70 per
barrel is quite possible. That is around one dollar increase for gas prices or approximately
50-100 billion reverse stimulus.
Shale oil extraction require prices at least around $70 per barrel to be marginally profitable.
As we need to continue shale extraction prices around this figure are probably the most reasonable
scenario for 2017. That makes Bank of America/Merrill Lynch forecast of $69 per barrel more
plausible.
Other analysts are much more bullish. Bank of America/Merrill Lynch, for example, sees crude jumping
46% by next June, hitting $69 per barrel. Fueling that outlook is the fact oil and gas investments
are down $300 billion, or 41%, since peaking in 2014, which should lead to shrinking supplies. Further,
the bank's analysts see the persistently lower prices over the past several years driving healthy
demand growth. These two factors could lead to the biggest gap between supply and demand in five
years, which could push crude prices higher.
Meanwhile, Goldman Sachs seems to be taking the middle ground. It recently increased its oil price
forecast by predicting that WTI crude will rise to $57.50 per barrel by the second quarter, before
settling around $55 per barrel in the second half of the year. Analysts at the World Bank, likewise,
have a $55 oil price forecast for 2017 due to OPEC's moves to cut output and rebalance the oil market.
Overall, the consensus seems to be that crude will remain in the mid-$50s in 2017. Incidentally,
that is similar to what analysts had
forecast
for oil prices in 2016. Given recent history, the odds of a quiet crude market next year appear
slim.
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two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand ~Archibald Putt.
Ph.D
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